More Than Medicine
More Than Medicine
Digital Privacy in the Age of Surveillance..Is it Still Important?
Feeling uneasy about who might be listening through your smartphone? You should be. In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Robert Jackson sits down with tech security expert Sean Patrick Tarrio who reveals the shocking truth about our devices: they're listening even when turned off.
Sean blows the lid off the digital surveillance ecosystem that's harvesting your personal data around the clock. "These companies are siphoning all of our information and selling it to the highest bidder on a regular basis," he explains, backing his claims with documented evidence of tech giants selling user data to government agencies for hundreds of millions annually.
The Apple privacy myth gets thoroughly debunked as Sean demonstrates how their "trust us" approach contradicts their closed systems, app store control, and court cases. He challenges listeners to conduct a simple experiment: turn off your iPhone, talk about buying something unusual like gold or real estate, then watch as those exact product advertisements appear when you power back on.
Many resign themselves to digital monitoring with a defeated "they already have my data anyway" attitude. Sean brilliantly counters this by comparing it to a patient with diabetes refusing to change their diet because "I've eaten unhealthily my whole life." Just as changing health habits can improve your future wellness, reclaiming digital privacy protects your information going forward.
Whether you're tech-savvy or technophobic, Sean offers practical, incremental steps anyone can take toward digital freedom. He shares insights on secure messaging apps, explains AI as a powerful tool that can either protect or harm depending on who controls it, and emphasizes that simplifying your digital life might be the most effective privacy strategy of all.
Ready to take back control of your digital life? Visit mark37.com for resources, educational articles, and free consultations that can guide your journey toward genuine digital privacy. Because as Sean powerfully states, "Your privacy matters no matter what."
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Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country, hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I'm delighted to have actually in the studio with me today, rather than online a good friend of mine, Sean Patrick Tarrio I think I said it wrong there and he's going to be our interview today. So, Sean Patrick, tell my listeners a little bit about yourself and what you do, and then we'll jump into our topic for today.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Sure Appreciate that. Thanks for having me on your beautiful compound here, all the lovely kiddos running around and livestock and whatnot. So what do I do? So I'm in tech, I'm a geek, I have been for a long time and I run a variety of different businesses, but the primary business I run is helping people migrate off of Google, apple and Microsoft. So that means your devices that are running iOS or Google Android and your laptops that are running MacOS or Microsoft Windows. If we're tired of having these devices track us, monitor us, listen to us all the time, we provide options in form of the tools that you can use, as well as the training and education and training. So we do a lot of education, a lot of training, a lot of content that we've developed and created to help coach people how to make that migration as simple and seamless as possible.
Dr.Robert Jackson:That's right, and you helped me do that two years ago. So I have what some folks call a ghost phone that helps me not to be tracked by the big five corporations, and I've been delighted with that for the last two years, because I don't like having my information tracked, bought or sold to other major corporations or even the government, and I really have appreciated that for the last two years.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Yeah, I think that the key that people I think are starting to understand is that these companies that we've trusted to control it's really control the devices that we carry around with us all day, every day are siphoning all of our information, all of our data, and they're selling it to the highest bidder on a regular basis.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well now, let me ask you this now, since Trump has been elected, is all of this still a concern for us? Or should we just heave a big sigh of relief and say, ah, it doesn't matter anymore?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Yeah, that's a great question, heave a big sigh of relief and say, ah, it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, that's a great question. And I think the people who are not really too concerned about privacy already as it is, I think they have a mindset of, oh, it'll all get taken care of those tend to also be the people who are really not taking action.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:They're not out making things happen. They're not getting involved in their local community, trying to get involved in local politics, school board, whatever it might be. We kind of call them the NPCs, the non-player characters in the world, right.
Dr.Robert Jackson:So those folks are like those are not my listeners.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Right, exactly. So I think those folks, to a big degree, are like well, trump's elected, I don't need to worry about it, right, I voted for him, so he'll take care of it. And those are the same politicians who are continue to vote people like, unfortunately, lindsey Graham here in South Carolina in office when we know he's a horrible choice to represent we, the people. But going back to your question, I think the people that that I cater to, who are the people on the front lines of the various different battlefronts, of both cultural and spiritual warfare right now, whether it's anti-human trafficking or fighting for the J6, prisoner releases or election integrity, people who are fighting for the pro-life cause and whatnot. Those folks are very much aware because we've been targeted for the last four years and, I would say, well beyond that. So those folks are not letting off the trigger, they're not letting off the throttle. They're still moving forward and they still understand that this is a fight that has to be fought all day, every day.
Dr.Robert Jackson:You're correct. You're correct, exactly right, all right. Well now, since the last time you and I talked, two years ago, you helped set up my phone, and what has changed since then? What's been happening since then?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So I've been doing a lot of traveling. Uh, the last we talked, I was doing a lot of traveling as well. But I'm still traveling around at different prepper conferences. I'm traveling around to different homeschool conferences. I'm doing lots of podcasts, trying to just spread the word and evangelize, to wake people up to. Hey, we know this is a problem and a lot of people will be like you know. Yes, I agree that this is a problem. No, I'm not okay with these devices listening to me all the time. But what can I do about it? Most people just are oblivious that there's actually options and solutions in the market that they can use to escape, to start the process and the journey of migrating off of their systems and their technology. But the key mindset there is it is a journey, it's a process. You don't just buy a tool and then all of a sudden you're safe. You kind of have to think about it in terms of, you know, owning a firearm. You don't just buy a gun and then all of a sudden, you're safe and you're good, right.
Dr.Robert Jackson:You have to practice, you have to practice, you have to learn how to use the tool.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:That's right. You have to know how to use it effectively and safely. So someone is actually, in fact, more of a threat to themselves and the people around them if they have that tool, that weapon, and they don't train themselves.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Right, exactly.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:And I would say, with these devices, these phones and these laptops, if you don't understand how they work and understand just the basic concepts of the technology and you operate in a well, I'm not tech savvy, it's kind of all just magic to me, right? If you have that mentality, then you are really more of a threat than you even know.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:But because it's this ethereal technology stuff. You don't even realize that. You know I. I like to say people are blowing their digital head off all day, every day, and those around them and they don't even know it, they're completely oblivious to it.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I understand what you're saying. I mean, I have my phone and I'm not trying to connect, but every day I get invites from different organizations that want me to be on their Google platform, for example, and I have to say, no, I'm sorry, I can't be a part of that. And they're like why, why, why? And I just have to explain to them and then they look at me like I've got two heads.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Yeah, and the interesting thing is like if people invite you to Zoom calls or Microsoft Teams calls or Google calls All the time. All the time. You can still access those. You just don't need to download their software. You don't have to have their software running on your devices there are ways to connect through your browser that will allow you to have a firewall between your data, your device and their applications and their tools.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Let me ask you another question, then. Um Tell, I've been hearing over and over that that there's a lack of security with Apple devices. You know Apple's always talking about how secure their devices are. Is that really true, or do people who use Apple phones and other Apple devices are they really experiencing a real lack of security?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So the short answer is they fundamentally are experiencing a lack of security, and I was. I was actually on a date night with my wife about two months ago and we were sitting down having a meal at the bar of a restaurant we were at and there was a tv in the background and the commercial came on for apple and it was like apple is privacy and I I literally laughed out loud, probably obnoxiously loud because I don't watch TV very much.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:I just saw that article or that commercial come up and I'm in the middle. I was at that time in the middle of writing a whole article exposing all the different ways that Apple is actually not private, not secure, and that's proven by their products and the IP that they have around their products. It's proven by the court cases that they've lost over the last few years and current court cases going on.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:It's proven by the fact that they have a closed source operating system, so we really have no idea what's happening. So Apple is private. Trust us, just believe us.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Trust us.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Despite the fact that all the evidence shows that we're not safe and private. It's proven by their app store that they completely control. So you can't run any applications on their devices unless they approve it. And what we saw happen during COVID and what we saw happen over the last couple of years, with all kinds of different causes, they refused to allow certain applications to even exist on their platform because it violated their terms of service Right. That was. That was literally determined by the White House and the CDC and the you know the, the NHA at that time.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Right.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So there's, and you follow the money of the company. Who really owns Apple at the end of the day? Well, it's the same, it's the same companies BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, Brookshire, Hathaway and who owns those companies? Well, they all own each other right, that's right. So, as you start following the money, that's another angle that I go into in this article. That's actually up on the website right now. I'll put a link to your article on my show notes Show notes yes, yes, sir, so people can get a hold of those.
Dr.Robert Jackson:yeah, that'd be great, because I think people just need to understand that they we live in this illusion that these you know that apple, specifically because they they're primary, primary, primary market share owner for devices right now in the us 60 people tell me all the time I don don't have an Apple device that when they talk around their phone when it's actually cut off, that when they cut it back on later, that if they've talked about some kind of purchase, that there will be advertisements for that purchase on their phone, even though it's been cut off. Is that true?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:100% and you can do. I encourage your listeners who have Apple devices. Run this experiment in your own home. Turn your iPhone off for a Saturday, sunday, whatever your day of rest might be. Turn it off, just completely turn it off, and then start talking about something new that you haven't talked about but talk about like a big ticket item right, like I want to buy. We should buy a lot of gold. We should buy a lot of gold. It's hot right now. We should buy a lot of gold, something that you generally don't talk about. Or we should buy real estate in Tennessee. We should move to Tennessee. We should buy some real estate in Tennessee, something like that. But even if it's something like, we have customers who have done this case study and they've come back to us and said we were talking about crockpots, but we were talking about buying crockpots, and when they turn all their devices back on, those are all the ads that they saw is for the things that they were talking about.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:From a turned off phone From a turned off phone. So this is where people are really starting to understand and get that these devices are not their own. When you allow someone like Apple to control the operating system of your device, that is giving Apple control of your device. It is essentially their device. You pay them for the privilege to feed them all of your information and all of your data, and it's not just the device itself. This is the other super nefarious thing. Apple has contracts and agreements with other things, other Internet of Things companies, so they're picking up the data from all these other things and sharing it with each other and aggregating all this information so that they can create a profile on you.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Right. Do you think they sell our information to the government?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Hundred percent Guarantee it. And you just have to look through the corporate filings for these companies. These are publicly traded companies, so you can see how much money they're making from the government sector and our government has been buying to the tunes of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Information on the American people.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Not just from Apple, google and Microsoft and all the rest, all the rest, Apple's not the only culprit Facebook 100%. Yes, yeah, all right. Well now, well, hold on On this topic.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:I think it's important because when you start to understand this, a lot of people go to the mindset of well, they have all my data anyway, so what can I do about it? Right, they have so much information on me so I should just give up. It's like so what? I'll just continue using it because they already have it, I'll keep being a slave.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Yeah, I'll just keep being a slave because they already own me. They already own my history, so they may as well own my future. That mindset, from a health perspective, is no different than saying well, I've already been eating garbage from the grocery store for so long, so me changing my dietary habits today really isn't going to change anything into the future. Right, we know that's a ludicrous mindset, because it's just not factual.
Dr.Robert Jackson:It doesn't help my patients who've got diabetes suddenly or just had a heart attack. I'll look at them and say look, dude, you got to change your eating habits. And they say well, doc, I've been eating this way my whole life. I said well, it just gave you diabetes, it just gave you a heart attack. You're going to keep doing that, yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Yeah, some things got to change. Some things got to change. So I liken it to once you understand the ingredients of the food that you're eating and you recognize that it's poison. That's right. You have to make a conscious decision. That's right. Am I going to continue to eat the poison and feed my family the poison, or am I going to make a change in my life?
Dr.Robert Jackson:Yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So these are hard decisions. It's not easy for people to do it.
Dr.Robert Jackson:It's not easy. It was hard when I went to your phone because there was so many things. I love being able to talk to Siri and tell it to show me how to get to certain places. I can't do that anymore. I had to make a change. There's a lot of change like lifestyle changes. Lifestyle changes are hard when I have to tell them no, you can't eat Twinkies every day.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Right, right, it's hard. It is hard for people, especially when you're addicted to those things. That's right, and they've made these things so addictive by design, exactly right by design.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well, let me ask you about this what about AI? Is that something we should fear or something we should embrace?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So I view AI as a tool because it is it's software, it's code. At the end of the day, it's just code, it's a program that's designed to do certain things, is it potentially very dangerous and frightening? A hundred percent.
Dr.Robert Jackson:It totally is Just like a gun, exactly. A gun can protect you or it can hurt you. Yes, it just depends on who's using it and how they use it.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Right, and the important thing that people need to understand is, if you don't start leveraging these tools and using these tools not for everybody, but for a lot of people, especially working professionals they can make you exponentially more efficient. So, when you're talking to Siri and you say, hey, siri, navigate me to whatever, or like you know what's my calendar look like for today, right, that is an AI tool that's giving you back that information. It's looking through your files, your information. It's feeding you proactively things that you might want to know. So that is just a program that's running.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Who controls that program? Who runs that program? Do you have ownership of the data that you're feeding into that system or are you feeding it into Apple and Google and OpenAI and, essentially, our government? And what people I think some people have learned is that OpenAI and ChatGPT, for example, is actually controlled and owned by our government. And the big reason why the venture capital in Silicon Valley backed Trump is because they sat down with the White House the Kamala Harris campaign and they made it very clear that they have all these investments and all these different AI platforms and agents. And Kamala Harris and our White House straight up told them we don't care, we're backing open AI, we're backing chat GPT because we can control it, because we can dictate what the truth is on that platform and what it is not. And that happens. I literally had it happen this morning that platform and what it is not, and that happens. I literally had it happen this morning.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:I still use chat GPT to test things and I do it in a secure way just to see what's happening on that platform, and I use other private LLMs and AI tools as well. But I went in and I tried to do an image of Biden when he got lost on stage, remember, and I have a screenshot of that Fox News article or program where he was like lost on stage and it says Biden gets lost on stage literally right, yeah, and I put that into the system and the system said I'm sorry, I can't recreate this image for you. This is politically motivated. And I said okay, and I took a similar image that has come out recently of Trump right, doing something.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:It did it, no questions asked right so I started a conversation with it and I said it's interesting to me that you claim to not be politically motivated and yet you're totally freely, willingly, open to creating an image against trump, but you're not willing to do it against a former president biden. Does that, do you not understand from a logical perspective? And you start having an, an engagement with, and it says I can understand your concern. However, I can guarantee you that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you know it's biased. Yes, right, yes, so that goes into anything. You just have to understand that this is a tool. Who owns the tool? Who runs the tool? Who's programming the tool?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:What is the logic behind the tool, and if the the tool is run by a bunch of woke, crazy globalists?
Dr.Robert Jackson:Yeah, yeah, Well, now is Trump going to open that up to the private sector?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So he's yes is the short answer so he's keeping that industry open right. Which is why this is the only reason why I brought it up right. So why the venture capital companies back to Trump? Because they're like well, at least Trump's going to be far more free market minded than saying we're going to go full on communist and only have a source for truth and push this system that's completely woke into all of the government agencies and all the government tools.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I got you, so it is a tool.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:To your point, ai is a tool. I liken it actually not just to a firearm, but like to the advent of gunpowder. Right, you can either say, like the samurais, I'm not going to use. We're going to hold to our values and our tradition. We're not going to use gunpowder, we're not going to use weapons. Very honorable stance. How many samurai exist in the world today? That's right.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Right. They got annihilated because they would not evolve their weaponry Right. So this is a weapon. It is a weapon, we have to view it as such and we have to use it to defend ourselves. So, as these tools are now becoming more integrated, private, secure versions of these tools that are not woke on the back end are being run inside your home, for example. They can actually defend your home from outside attacks, right? So instead of your server or your home router becoming just another node in the big DDoS attacks, which are big network attacks, it will actually defend your home and the devices within your home and be able to evolve accordingly. So when we can learn how to use this software and this technology to our benefit, that's where we can really be on par and fight back and not just be annihilated off the battlefield.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Interesting, Interesting. All right, let me move to the next thing. What about Signal? You know this whole issue with the government officials who allowed a news reporter to be on a Signal chat group. Is Signal really safe?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:That is a great question. So Signal is like 99% open source. I think this is important. Most people use Signal. We hear people saying, well, you should use Signal, push the Signal, use Signal. Signal saves Signal's open source. There is a piece of the Signal code that is not open source. And people will also say, well, signal was invented by the CIA. So can we really trust it? And, to be honest with you, I don't trust the CIA at all. The history kind of proves that they shouldn't be trusted.
Dr.Robert Jackson:That's right, that's correct.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:But you have to realize Signal as a technology. If you look at the core technology end-to-end encryption that has been vetted and that technology is a great means of secure communications the question really comes into this small piece of their code that is closed source. And the reason why it's closed source is because if they open source that part of their code, it allows for spammers. It allows for people who want to come in and gain access to your comms and your network within your device Essentially the keys of the kingdom. They understand the algorithm that's being used so they can hack it essentially. So if you're willing to trust that that code that is being kept secret is not being used for nefarious purposes it's not been compromised, it's not been compromised then we can trust Signal.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:But I would say it is um, it's. I still use it. I still have a lot of people on it that I communicate with on a regular basis. If I want to have really one-on-one conversations with people that are truly secure, I'm going to come to your house I'm going to talk to you face to face, all my stuff away and we're going to go walk down to the river and we're going to go have a conversation.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:I understand that. But what people, I think really fundamentally have to understand is that your digital privacy and security is no different than your physical privacy and security of interest, then it's worth it to have the means and the money and the motive to come out and find you and hack into your stuff and find creative ways to get into all of your stuff, Right?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So it may be that signal and Tucker Carlson, for example, knows that he was hacked through signal and he will freely acknowledge that how he got hacked actually is because he had the Pegasus spyware software that was downloaded onto his iPhone device and that gave free reign access to certain people to have information pulling off his phone, right? So it's not that Signal was compromised. It's because he received a link from somebody through Signal. He downloaded, he clicked on that link, which downloaded a file onto his device, which then gave the access.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I understand.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So when you start following the tech and you start following the threads and start asking you know, I was the kid in school that did the homework when you do the homework on this and you don't just read the headline, right right, tucker, carlson, hacked through signal right, people like oh, signal's bad, right, well, is it bad when?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:when I talk to the different uh operation sec so the infosec people, the people who do you know security, online security the consensus is that signal is to be trusted, it it's safe. It's secure, the technology's solid. There is, though, this question around the code that is closed source that they won't share. There might be something going on there. There might not be, I don't know. There's other secure ways to communicate that are far more secure, I would say, that are far more secure, I would say, and they're just a little bit more difficult for people to download, install and start using.
Dr.Robert Jackson:And more expensive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Not necessarily more expensive. You just have to have a little bit more technical know-how.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I see.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Right, I see. So you can set up your own server and you can start running your own private comms. But for the lay person getting them to install the app and then log into that account and then start using it, it's not as simple and easy as using Signal or Telegram or X or any of these other accounts.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I understand that I do. All right, we're running out of time. You got any last comments you want to make. I appreciate all this. Your technical expertise is impressive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:Yeah, I would just say keep fighting the good fight. And if you're out there and you're wondering what tools are available, please just check out the website mark37.com. I have spent hundreds of hours creating documentation and literature and articles that will help A expose everything that's going on so you can operate with your eyes wide open and then B start taking action in a step-by-step methodical way, with guides through the whole thing, so that you can track your progress and take little bits off as you can, and a lot. I would say. 95% of the customers I talk to with people who just want to have a conversation, which we offer free consults. If you go to the top of the webpage, you can sign up to talk to me for free for about 15, 30 minutes. Everyone starts that conversation. Sean, I'm not tech savvy. Just like me, just like me, exactly like you. I'm not tech savvy. I don't know if I can do this, and I steer people in two directions. I get to know them. Sometimes I say you know what? A smartphone, carrying around a really high tech device.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:That's super complicated may not be the best fit for you, Because if all you're doing is phone calls and all you're doing is texting every now and again and everything else you do can be done from your laptop, doesn't necessarily have to be done from your phone, and you can get a Garmin GPS for your car. You don't need a smartphone. Get a flip phone. People's lives need to be simplified.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:We don't need to overly complicate things. So I'm coaching people to just be simple. Let's go simple. Let's not overcomplicate. You don't have to worry about VPNs and have to worry about all these things that just overcomplicate. If you can simplify and if it's causing you stress, try to get it out of your life. Yep, yep. So why stress yourself out and probably get sick as a result of it and make your life more complicated?
Dr.Robert Jackson:And more expensive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:And more expensive when you can simplify.
Dr.Robert Jackson:All right and give them the website again. So if somebody's interested in one of your phone devices, that will give them secrecy and privacy, how do they get in touch with you? It's mark37.com.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:It's from Scripture Mark 3, 7. And we explain that on our About Us section because I'm sure people will be wondering how that's relevant. But it is relevant, I promise.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So go to the about us section you can sign up for a free consult on the top of the page. We have so many articles, like the article on Apple, that you can send to your friends and family who are like Apple's great, apple's amazing. You can say, well, just read this and tell me what your thoughts are. And lots of other articles on how to get started, thoughts about, you know, tracking applications for our kids.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:You know, I was like well, I need an alternative to you know, is there a safer way to track my kids where they are at any given time? I'm like, no, just that mindset of needing to know where your kids are at all the time, I just think is an unhealthy mindset, and I have a whole article on that and I provide the data and I bring, I bring the receipts, I bring the facts. So I just recommend just start learning about this. It's a journey, it's a process. You don't walk into the dojo and say, hey, I need to be a black belt, I've got two hours. It's a lifestyle change.
Dr.Robert Jackson:It takes a lot of education too, doesn't it?
Sean Patrick Tarrio:So people need to get educated. This is an important topic. You can't say that you know it doesn't matter because they already have all my data. That's like saying your freedom of speech doesn't matter because I'm not planning on offending anybody. Or my second amendment doesn't matter because I'm not planning on shooting anybody. Your privacy matters.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Yes.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:No matter what your privacy matters.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Sean Patrick, I appreciate it, I appreciate your time and I appreciate your expertise and I really appreciate you being on More Than Medicine. I hope you'll come back and visit with us again another time.
Sean Patrick Tarrio:I'll be here whenever you want me.
Dr.Robert Jackson:All right, thank you kindly. You're listening to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, dr Robert Jackson. My guest today is Sean Patrick Tarrio, and I'll have him back again another time, until next week. May the Lord bless you real good. Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than Medicine.
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