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MTM : Interview with Major Tom Haviland
A shocking medical mystery is unfolding in embalming rooms across the world, as funeral professionals report strange white fibrous clots never seen before 2021. Retired Air Force Major Tom Havilind shares his groundbreaking research documenting this disturbing phenomenon through three years of worldwide surveys.
Havilind's journey began when embalmers reported finding long, rubbery, white clots in bodies they processed—clots that appeared only after COVID vaccine rollout. What started as anecdotal reports has now been systematically documented, with over 60% of surveyed embalmers confirming these findings. Most alarming? These unusual clots appear in 20-30% of corpses.
But this isn't just about the dead. Vascular surgeons and cardiologists are now quietly confirming they're seeing identical clots in living patients. One catheterization lab specialist reported removing these unusual clots from patients weekly—99% of whom had received COVID vaccines. When these medical professionals speak about vaccine connections, many report being silenced or threatened with job loss.
The medical implications are profound. These abnormal clots don't respond to traditional clot-busting drugs. They appear to form when spike protein bonds with the body's natural fibrinogen, creating misfolded structures resistant to normal breakdown processes. Beyond the white fibrous clots, embalmers report increased microclotting and changes in traditional clotting patterns.
Despite submitting his findings to health authorities after each survey, Haviland reports receiving no response from the CDC, FDA, NIH or HHS. This wall of silence extends throughout the medical establishment, with many professionals privately acknowledging the problem while publicly remaining quiet.
As health officials prepare recommendations for future COVID vaccines, this evidence demands attention. When medical professionals fear speaking truth more than they fear patient harm, we've entered dangerous territory. The question remains: how many more patients must suffer before authorities acknowledge what embalmers and surgeons are seeing with their own eyes?
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Dr. Robert Jackson:Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I'm privileged today to have online with me Tom Haviland, who is a retired major from the Air Force and a researcher for the last two years or so, and I found an article in the New American by Rebecca Terrell, who interviewed him for the article and it was quite fascinating and so, major, I'm going to ask you to introduce yourself and then we're going to introduce the topic that was in the New American. So tell my listeners a little bit about yourself.
Major Tom Haviland:Sure, dr Jackson, thanks for having me on the show. My name's Tom Haviland. I'm a retired US Air Force major, spent 20 years in the Air Force, then spent 16 years after that as a defense contractor working with the Air Force, so a total of 36 years in and with the Air Force. Electrical engineer Used to work with fighter aircraft like the F-16, the F-22 Raptor, the F-117 Stealth Fighter. Loved my job, dr Jackson, but it all came to an abrupt halt in October of 2021 when I refused to take the COVID-19 vaccine.
Major Tom Haviland:Very wisely, I was going to put the mandates out right around that time and I got an email. In fact, everybody else at Wright-Parrison Air Force Base, ohio, where I was working, got an email, and the email was from a three-star Air Force general who said the dates that the military, the government, civilians and us defense contractors of which I was one had to get our shots by or else get kicked out. So I sent him back an email, dr Jackson, and I said shame on you. Remember, this is an Air Force three-star general. I said shame on you.
Major Tom Haviland:Instead of standing up for our right to decide for ourselves whether or not to take an experimental drug, you chose to spend your time trying to guilt us into taking the jab. Shame on you. And I didn't just send that email to him, I sent it to all 30,000 people that work at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, ohio. So I knew what was going to happen. I got a call a half hour later from my defense contractor boss and I was fired for my $165,000 a year job as an electrical engineer for shaming the Air Force three-star general in front of the entire base.
Major Tom Haviland:You know, but somebody had to do it. None of the colonels, none of the generals were pushing back on this. What we know now is an unlawful mandate. We knew it then. They just tried to push it on people. But you know, I made my stand that day and it actually turned out to be a blessing for me because I went into early retirement. I was 61 at the time, so I just went into retirement and it gave me the time these last three years to work on these unusual worldwide embalmer blood clot surveys.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Now tell us a little bit about that now. I need to know exactly what you mean by that.
Major Tom Haviland:Yeah, what I did is. In early fall of 2022, I watched a movie called Died Suddenly. People can still see it. It's on rumble. It's about an hour-long documentary and about half the film is devoted to these six or seven embalmers that said they were seeing these unusual white fibrous clots in the veins and arteries of their corpses, and these are embalmers with 20 or 30 years of experience that had never seen this phenomenon before, until 2021, after the COVID vaccines rolled out.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, I saw that same documentary and it was fascinating to me and shocking.
Major Tom Haviland:It really is. It was strange and what really struck me, dr Jackson, is at the 13-minute and 15-second mark, an amazing statement was made. An embalmer from the state of Indiana, a Mr Wallace Hooker, was lecturing at an Ohio Embalmers Association conference in Columbus, ohio, on the 26th of October in 2022. And he was lecturing to a room full of 100 embalmers and he showed them photographs of the white fibrous cloths that he'd been removing from his corpses for about the last year at that time and he said hey, by a show of hands, how many of you are seeing these same unusual, strange cloths? And he said almost the entire room of 100 embalmers raised their hands. Yes. He then asked them did when did you start seeing them? And they all agreed it was in the middle of 2021, about six months after the covid vaccines rolled out.
Major Tom Haviland:So I know there were some problems with that movie, but you know, whatever else happened, either that statement is true or false, right, either those embalmers raised their hands or they didn't. So I got up the next day after I watched the movie the Night it Premiered. It was the Monday of the week of Thanksgiving of November 2022. I got up the next day, tuesday, and I said to myself.
Major Tom Haviland:You know, I don't think any reporter is going to chase after this story, so I myself, I called the Ohio Embalmers Association. We're located in Cincinnati, ohio. I live in Dayton, just about an hour north of there. I talked to their president, a Mr Dan Becker, their vice president, a Mr Woody Wilson, and their secretary, mr David Hicks, and I asked all three gentlemen, hey, did you happen to be in the room at the time that those 100 embalmers supposedly raised their hands saying they're seeing these clots too? Well, none of the three of them happened to be in the room at the time. However, the vice president, mr Woody Wilson, who is now, by the way, the president of the Ohio Embalmers Association. He runs his own funeral home up in Marysville, ohio, about an hour north of where I live, and he does his own embalming.
Major Tom Haviland:A lot of funeral directors do their own embalming yeah, yeah and woody said to me tom, I'm seeing the white fibrous clots too. So I said, wow, this is a big deal. Right now I have an official officer, the now president of the ohio embalmers association, corroborating these six or seven embalmers in this died suddenly movie, saying that he's seeing the clots too. So right there, and then I decided to do a survey, a nationwide survey, which I then later on turned into a worldwide survey by including Canada, the UK and Australia and New Zealand, to see just how prevalent these clots were, because I knew that our own CDC and FDA were not looking into this. So I figured, well, somebody better look into it. So that led me to the creation of these now three worldwide embalmer blood clot surveys, and the results are shocking, dr Jackson.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Well now, you did this using SurveyMonkey.
Major Tom Haviland:Correct. I worked with a nice woman, a friend of mine up in northeast Ohio, named Laura Kasner, who happens to be an expert in SurveyMonkey. So we created about a 10-question survey. It only takes about three or four minutes to take and we used a two-prong approach to send the survey. First of all, the questions we put on the survey were questions we knew the embalmers could answer.
Major Tom Haviland:Basically, when did you start seeing the clots? Are you seeing the clots? And then, what percentage of your corpses are you seeing the clots? Those are the main questions we ask the embalmers. And to distribute the survey, what we did is we we used a two-prong approach. We used a top-down approach by sending the survey in an email with the link to the Survey Monkey survey to 50 national, regional and state funeral director associations all over the world, and each with hundreds of members under them, asking them to forward the survey link down to their active embalmer so they could take the survey through the state and regional national associations. Then we used a bottom-up approach by actually, I looked up the email addresses for over 1,700 funeral homes around the world and sent an email to them directly with the link.
Dr. Robert Jackson:I got you.
Major Tom Haviland:Trying to maximize, you know, the number of responses.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah.
Major Tom Haviland:So in the first survey that we ran at the end of 2022, we had only 179 responses to that survey, so we got off to a little bit of a slow start, but still, in that first survey there were three main conclusions to that 119 of the 179 embalmers that's two-thirds 66% said they were indeed seeing the white fibrous clots. The main consensus of those embalmers is that the clots started for them in 2021, after the rollout of the COVID vaccines, and then maybe the most shocking stat was they were seeing these clots in an average of 30% of their corpses.
Major Tom Haviland:So, these things are not rare. These things are quite prevalent. I was actually shocked when I got that result.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, that is shocking, then we ran the survey again in 2023.
Major Tom Haviland:In 2023, we did better in terms of responses. We had 269 responses to the survey, so we did 90 responses better. We determined that the embalmers were seeing the clots in 20% of their corpses, so that was good news. The percentage of corpses with the clots went down.
Major Tom Haviland:But, there were still about 73% of the embalmers. 197 out of the 269 said they were seeing the white fibrous clots, so we knew this was a phenomenon that was going on. The embalmers in that second survey also asked us to ask some questions about another phenomenon called microclotting.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Right.
Major Tom Haviland:And they don't describe it as that, and Balmers actually described it as what looks like dirty blood or coffee grounds in the blood. As they're trying to get the blood out of the corpse and put the formaldehyde in, they'll see what looks like coffee grounds in the blood and that could be an indication of another phenomenon called microclotting, which can be just as dangerous as the white fibrous clots. Microclotting, which can be just as dangerous as the white fibrous clots, we think the white fibrous clots, which are large and rubbery and can be 10 inches long or more, are blocking veins and arteries and causing heart attacks and strokes.
Major Tom Haviland:The microclotting, we believe, occurs at the capillary level, your very small blood vessels and it can block the exchange of oxygen at the lungs and then carrying that oxygen to all your major organs of your body, like your brain, your eyes.
Major Tom Haviland:You have very small capillaries in your brain and your eyes and that might be a reason why people are suffering from some symptoms like brain fog or poor vision problems.
Major Tom Haviland:They may have microclotting going on inside them, and in the 2023 survey that I ran, the embalmers saw that About 80% of the embalmers saw that phenomenon and they saw that in a shocking 25% of their corpses, and this is a phenomenon. Microcloning is something they had seen prior to the years of COVID and the vaccines, but in way less than 5% of their corpses, particularly in patients that had heavy chemotherapy. So this was at least a quadrupling of this particular side effect. So we have a brand-new phenomenon with the white fibrous clots and we have a quadrupling of an existing microclotting issue and, in addition to that, the traditional what's called grape jelly clots. These are the kind of clots that embalmers used to find before COVID and the vaccines, and they look just like dark grape jelly and they dissolve easily in your hands. Those actually also increased by about 30% and they were becoming more viscous as well, more like grape jam than grape jelly.
Major Tom Haviland:So it's kind of a triple whammy here that the embalmers are seeing in terms of you know, increase in grape jelly cloths, traditional cloths, as well as the quadrupling of the micro clotting and then this brand new phenomenon of these really scary, tough, large and rubbery white fibrous clots.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, and see, that makes sense to me because, as I told you before we started, I have seen an increase, dramatic increase, in my patients experiencing deep vein thrombosis, dramatic increase in my patients experiencing deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolus and, of course, the post-COVID jab patients having COVID long haul with brain fog.
Major Tom Haviland:And all of that makes perfect sense. That does not surprise me at all. I ran last year, in the fall of 2024, a people's blood clot survey and one of the questions I asked is where are you experiencing your blood clotting issue? This is for people who have blood clotting issues since January of 2020. And in the responses, the main, the main, the number one location was the legs deep vein thrombosis in the legs. Number two was pulmonary embolisms up in the lungs which, as you know, dr Jackson, are extremely dangerous.
Major Tom Haviland:So those were the two most popular areas where these people were having clotting issues. So it matches exactly what you're seeing in your own practice.
Major Tom Haviland:Now one of the things that's interesting is when I ran this latest survey in 2024, again we increased the number of responses.
Major Tom Haviland:We got 301 responses this year. But, interestingly, my best participant from 2023 survey was the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association and I had called them and asked them personally to pass the email to have their embalmers take it back in 2023. The email to have their embalmers take it back in 2023, and they did that because two days after I asked them to do that, I received 125 responses in the two days right after I asked them to forward my survey to the embalmers in the state of Pennsylvania. But what was really odd is this year in the 2024 survey, they refused to participate in the survey despite the fact that their president was seeing unusual clotting in his own corpses. In fact, one of the statements he has is he says nearly every person that I embalm is not getting good distribution to one or both of the hands below the elbow, something I have not seen in the past. So isn't that unusual that the particular general director of association of.
Major Tom Haviland:Pennsylvania chose to participate in my 2023 survey, but then declined to participate in my 2024 survey. I just found that as odd.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Do you have an explanation for that?
Major Tom Haviland:Well, you know, a couple things crossed my mind right away. The CDC has told us that about 80% of American adults over the age of 18 took at least the first two COVID vaccines back in 2021. So these people, these funeral director associations, their presidents, their funeral directors themselves, they may have some cognitive dissonance going on right. They may have taken the shots themselves and may not want to know the answers to the questions. Another thing is these funeral director associations and their presidents. Would you want to participate in a survey that may show a link between the COVID-19 vaccines and these white fibrous clots and this micro clotting? If you had mandated all your employees of your funeral home, between the COVID-19 vaccine and these white fibers clots and this micro clotting, if you had mandated all your employees?
Dr. Robert Jackson:of your funeral home. Take the COVID-19 vaccine right. You might be setting yourself up for a liability suit.
Major Tom Haviland:That's exactly right. So I think that's maybe what's going on here as well. They don't want to implicate themselves in case one of their own funeral home employees gets injured by the jabs.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that, that liability thing, exactly. You see, I hadn't thought about that.
Major Tom Haviland:Traditionally, there's always been a privacy to the embalming room. You don't talk about the dead, it's a very private thing. So, that's also another factor as well.
Dr. Robert Jackson:It was very interesting to me when I read your article about who declined to respond and I was pondering why would these folks decline to respond? And now that makes perfect sense to me. Well, let me ask you another question, major. What are the experts suggesting as the cause of these massive clots and the micro-clotting? What are you hearing?
Major Tom Haviland:Well, it's interesting because Richard Hirschman, the embalmer from the Died Suddenly movie, has been sending samples of the clots to laboratories all over the world. We're working with one particular team headed by a gentleman in Sydney, australia, named Mr Greg Harrison, and he sent the clots to various university labs and they've looked at the clots and done several tests on the cloths and basically their theory is that the cloths basically the spike protein either from the COVID virus or the COVID vaccine is causing its bonding with our body's natural fibrinogen. We all have a protein that's produced by the liver, called fibrinogen, as very important in the clotting, normal clotting process. It's in a liquid form, that's in your blood plasma, and when there's ever damage done to the vascular system, your veins or arteries, you get a cut, then the clotting response is triggered and that fibrinogen is converted from a liquid form in your plasma into a white solid called fibrin. It sets up like a net, almost like a lattice structure, and then it captures red blood cells and platelets and forms a clot. That then forms and blocks the cut that you have on your arm and keeps you from bleeding out until that cut is healed. And then we have another enzyme called plasmin that comes down, comes there to the clot, attaches to the fibrinogen fibrin and breaks it down, and then the clot dissolves, disappears and you're good to go again. Your wound is healed, you're all set to go again.
Major Tom Haviland:But what's happening is both the spike protein from the virus or from the vaccine is becoming phosphorylated. It's actually picking up the element phosphorus in the bloodstream and then it actually has a great affinity for our natural fibrinogen. So it's interrupting that process, that conversion of fibrinogen liquid into the solid fibrin, and it's also making that fibrinogen misfold. And we've actually seen a high magnification, at 5,000 times magnified under a scanning electron microscope, thanks to a neuroscientist in Japan named Dr Kevin McCarran, that you can see that the fibrinogen is getting all twisted up with nodules on it and it's basically becoming a gummed-up mess and it becomes almost impossible then for our natural enzyme, plasmin, to attach and break it down. So then these clots tend to persist and grow to these enormous lengths. In fact, richard Hirschman, the embalmer, has one in a tube that's about 19 inches long that was pulled out of the torso of one of his corpses, a 19-inch long cloth that's about a half an inch wide.
Dr. Robert Jackson:My goodness, Just horrific. My goodness, that could have caused amazing damage in a living patient. Yeah, that's amazing. Well now, were you able to speak to any medical doctors about their experience with these amazing clots?
Major Tom Haviland:Yeah, I was actually. I was contacted last March by a OBGYN from Jacksonville, florida. His name is Dr Dan McDyer and he introduced me to a colleague of his who's an endovascular specialist and cardiologist that works on what's called a cath lab. It's a catheterization lab. This gentleman wants to remain anonymous for now, but he's been working in this cath lab for quite some time and he admitted to me that he's been pulling these same white fibrous clots out of living people for the last four years as well. So this is not just happening in the dead. These things, like I said, are occurring in the living and they're causing strokes and heart attacks. In fact, there's another doctor in the UK, dr Philip McMillan. He runs a YouTube channel called Vegen Health V-E-G-E-N and he's found his own cath lab whistleblower A cath lab, by the way, it's short for catheterization lab.
Major Tom Haviland:It's staffed with cardiologists, endovascular specialists, vascular surgeons, nurses, anesthesiologists, radiologists and they go in and they remove cloths from living people and typically prior to COVID, that meant great jelly cloths, which were the types that were seen back then, but now it's these white fibers cloths. In fact, when this gentleman whistleblower that talked to Dr Philip McMillan, he did a 52-minute Substack interview with him. He's been working in the same cath lab for 20 years. He's pulling anywhere between three to ten of these white fibrous clots out of living people every week in his cath lab alone. And, unlike the embalmers, these doctors do have access to the COVID vaccination records of all their patients so he can tell you how many shots they've taken, what brand they took when they took their last COVID vaccine taken. You know what brand they took when they took their last COVID vaccine. And he says 99% of the time when he finds the white fibrous clots, that person's been jabbed with anywhere between one to eight COVID jabs and the more jabs they've taken, the worse the clotting seems to be.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Well you and I could have predicted that, couldn't we?
Major Tom Haviland:Yeah, based on what?
Dr. Robert Jackson:we know. Well, now talk to me about the patients that you've surveyed. You mentioned the patient surveys. What are the patients saying?
Major Tom Haviland:Yeah, what's interesting is based upon the contact I have with that doctor, that endovascular specialist and cardiologist from Jacksonville. Last year I attempted actually first to run a cath lab worker survey and I sent that out to the societies for vascular surgery all over the world. For example, here in the United States, the US Society for Vascular Surgery is headquartered in Rosemont, illinois, and they brag on having over 6,300 member vascular surgeons across the United States, but they, like all the others around the world, refused to take my survey. I could not get a single surgeon vascular surgeon or endovascular specialist or cath lab worker to take a survey that I made specifically for them. So I said you know, if I cannot get good information from the doctor, and maybe I can get good information from the patient, it.
Major Tom Haviland:So I developed a 2024 People's Blood Clot Survey, which Dr John Campbell, a famous YouTuber in England, advertised for me with a QR code, and also Clayton Morris from Redacted News. He and his wife, natalie, do a show called Redacted News. They also displayed it and I asked if you or anybody you know has had blood clotting issues since January of 2020, because I wanted to catch the year. We had COVID, but no vaccines yet as well, I said please take this survey. And would you believe, dr Jackson? Within just two weeks I got over 1,400 responses from people all over the world, every continent, talking about their clotting problem or a loved one's clotting problem.
Major Tom Haviland:So the patients were happy to tell me about their blood clotting experience, even though I got zero responses from the doctors.
Dr. Robert Jackson:The doctors are afraid of liability.
Major Tom Haviland:Let me read a few of the things that came out of that survey to you. Of those, what was interesting is, of the 1,400 people that responded 1,425 that responded to that survey only 80 of the people said they had their blood clotting issue in the year 2020. But, then that number jumped to 524 people having blood clotting issues in the year 2021. What's that tell you?
Major Tom Haviland:It tells me that 2020 was the year that we had the virus, but no vaccine yet yeah like I said, the number was low there 80, only 80 people having problems, but then in 20, in 2021, when the after the vaccines were introduced, the number skyrockets to 524 and it stays up in the 500s all the way through 2024. So that's telling me something. One of the next questions I asked is did the person with the clots take the COVID-19 vaccine? Of the 1,425 that responded, 1,300 of them 1,294 said yes, the person did take the COVID vaccine. Another question I asked them is how soon did the person develop the blood clotting issue after taking the vaccine? What's interesting here is we had answers that spanned all the way from less than two weeks all the way up to a year or greater, which tells me that it can come on quickly, or also could come on slowly to develop these white fibrous clots. So I think that's a very interesting result there yes, yes.
Major Tom Haviland:As I mentioned earlier, when I asked them what part of the body the clotting happened in and legs was number one, as you said you were seeing followed by lungs, number two, followed by brain, then heart, then abdomen and then kind of a catch catch all for nose, eye, arms and uterus. When I asked them how the blood clotting issue was resolved, of the 1400 people 383, almost 400 people said it's still not resolved yet. They still have the blood clotting problem. 98 said that it went away on its own. 416 were able to dissolve the clot using clot-busting drugs like tissue plasminogen activators. So that's a good sign.
Major Tom Haviland:But 257 people actually had to have the clot surgically or physically removed. I suspect most of those were the white fibers clot variety, because the tissue plasminogen activator works really well against the grape jelly clots but it has no effect at all on these really stubborn, hard, tough, white, white fibrous clots. Unfortunately, 242 people did not get the issue resolved and they passed away. They died. So this is a very serious issue. One of the things we asked them at the end is hey, if the person's clot was physically removed by a doctor, would you be willing to share that doctor's name? Only 142 out of the 1,400 people, just 10% said they would be willing to share the doctor's name. I don't think they want to get their doctor in trouble.
Major Tom Haviland:Maybe, they like their doctor and they want to keep him.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, they want to keep them, yeah.
Major Tom Haviland:Yeah, they want to keep confidentiality, yeah again, it kind of points to the whole cover-up thing in this thing.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, that's right.
Major Tom Haviland:Which is interesting. Let me read to you a couple comments that came out of this particular survey. It's at the end of each of our surveys. We allow the embalmers for example the embalmer surveys to take to submit comments. By the way, in the embalmer surveys I never mention the words COVID or COVID vaccine. We only ask the embalmers what do you see and when did you see it?
Dr. Robert Jackson:you know and what percentage of your corpses have these phenomenon in them.
Major Tom Haviland:We try to keep the surveys as unbiased as possible and not leave the witness. And some of the embalmers said hey, you know what was interesting is, some of them talked a lot about the vaccines, even though I never mentioned it in any of the questions.
Major Tom Haviland:They made their own connections Exactly In the people survey. Here's one from a surgical nurse who actually works in a hospital. She says surgical nurse, seeing a huge increase in clots. We are doing more amputations than I've seen in my whole career. I'm definitely seeing the clots you're describing. When I say it's probably due to the COVID shot, everyone ignores me and there's silence in the operating room. I also hear the surgeons saying I've never seen anything like this before. Also during heart surgeries the surgeons are having a hard time suturing as the tissues are just falling apart. Once again the surgeons are saying I've never seen anything like this before. A lot of patients are dying.
Major Tom Haviland:Here's another one I think may be the most spectacular of the comments I got from the public on this people survey. It says I was feeling fine. Then started to have pain left side below shoulder blade, started sweating and feeling weak. Called the ambulance. Ecg did not show heart attack. Rushed to emergency. Ecg did not show heart attack. Third different emergency Doctor did ECG and ultrasound. They were all perplexed. A cardiologist was called. I was sent to a heart institute. Arriving there I went into cardiac arrest, was out two minutes, three sets of compressions and four defibrillator shocks used. They went in through an artery at the wrist. They removed fibrous clot.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Oh my.
Major Tom Haviland:They did not want to tell me, but a nurse whispered to me it's the vaccine. We have so many Follow-up appointment with a cardiologist. I asked the question directly. The doctor looked down and said I cannot talk about it at the risk of losing my job. What do you think of that, dr Jackson?
Dr. Robert Jackson:Yeah, I've heard that story so many times. I could throw up. I'm just telling you.
Major Tom Haviland:It's disgusting, isn't it?
Dr. Robert Jackson:It is. These doctors take an oath to help us and to me it's just they're all afraid of the hospital management and they're cowards. That's all there is to it it's a darn shame, isn't it? It is.
Major Tom Haviland:And you know, what's been really frustrating for me is not only the reluctance of the embalmers and most of the funeral director associations and obviously, like I said earlier, the doctors, surgeons, vascular surgeons and cardiologists, endovascular specialists around the country not to want to answer my surveys, but also the fact that I've been getting stonewalled by the FDA, the CDC, the NIH. Every time that I have these surveys done, I immediately send the results to the CDC, fda and NIH and I have heard nothing but crickets over the last three years.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Dr Jackson, they won't even respond to you. No, no, they won't even respond to you at all. No, no, I can't even respond to you at all.
Major Tom Haviland:No no, In fact just today, I actually submitted what's called the Vaccine and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. They're under the FDA and they're getting ready to have a meeting on the 22nd of May so it's just about a week from now and they're going to talk about their plan for the COVID vaccines for the 2025-2026 season. What they're going to do Now. There has been some talk about removing the COVID vaccines from the childhood schedule and the recommendations for them to give them to children, which would be excellent, I'm all for that I'm very happy about that.
Major Tom Haviland:Of course I like to see them go all the way and ban the shots. I'm all for that. I'm very happy about that. Of course I like to see them go all the way and ban the shots permanently.
Major Tom Haviland:just take them off the shelves for everybody At least it would be a good start if they took them off the shelves for a child younger than 18 years old. So that would be wonderful. But I did send them a package today with the results of my surveys latest results, and imploring them to please at least suspend the shots until they can be proven to be safe and effective, which I don't think they'll be able to prove. So basically I'm saying I think it should be taken off the market permanently.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Well, we'll get our listeners to be praying for that, I'm just telling you. Well, what else is next for you other than sending this information to the CDC and the vaccine panel?
Major Tom Haviland:Well, the dam is starting to break a little bit on organizations admitting that the cloth exists and that this is indeed a problem.
Major Tom Haviland:I've been invited on June 8th to go speak, be a guest speaker at the Tennessee Funeral Directors Association annual conference. It's in Franklin, tennessee, on June 8th, and their president, taylor Moore, invited me to come speak to all the funeral directors and embalmers at that convention to brief the results of my surveys. Obviously, I'll tell them from the scientific information about what the clots are made of and how they're forming. So I think that audience will be very interested to find that out, because I know this has been psychologically damaging on the embalmers over the last four years. They're seeing these horrific clots, they're seeing people that are younger than they should be winding up on their embalming table with heart attacks and strokes and it's taken a toll on them, I'm sure, mentally, and you know it's time for them to come out and speak out about it and admit to the world that this is indeed happening and then help us get you know these shots taken off the shelves that are causing these things.
Dr. Robert Jackson:Well, I'm glad you're not a pariah and that these folks are recognizing the truth of the things that you've been uncovering and sharing. Well, look, my time is up, major, I've got to move on. I appreciate your expertise, I appreciate your courage and I appreciate the willingness to share this information with the world. I pray that the Lord will bless you and bless your efforts, and who knows, it might be these surveys that will turn the tide with the folks that approve and disapprove vaccines. You never, never know.
Major Tom Haviland:Amen. Thank you so much, Dr Jackson, for having me on the show.
Dr. Robert Jackson:I appreciate you coming on and I'm speaking to my listeners now. I'm going to ask all of you out there to pray for Major Haviland and pray for his surveys that have been submitted to the. Tell me exactly who it went to.
Major Tom Haviland:The CDC, the FDA, nih and HHS.
Dr. Robert Jackson:And what was the committee that's going to be considering the vaccine?
Major Tom Haviland:Oh, the Vaccine and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.
Dr. Robert Jackson:That's a lot. It's called the VERBPAC, the VERBPAC. All right, we'll remember VERBPAC okay. There you go so we're going to ask all my listeners to pray for that committee and to pray for Major Tom Haviland. And Tom, thanks for coming on to More Than Medicine. I'd like to have you back again at a later date. That's all the time we have. We'll be back again next week.
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