More Than Medicine
More Than Medicine
Interview with Michelle Gershman - Whistleblower, OB Nurse- Effect of Covid Vax on Pregnant Moms
A single moment on a postpartum floor changed everything. Our guest, an OB nurse in California, describes the first time she was told to give a hepatitis B shot to a healthy newborn—and the gut-deep resistance that sent her searching through ingredient lists, safety thresholds, and the true indications for a vaccine usually tied to maternal status or later-life exposure. What began as a quiet unease became a conviction: parents deserve clear, pressure-free informed consent before any neonatal vaccination.
From there, the story turns to outcomes. She recounts an internal email about fetal demises and the shock of seeing numbers she believed were unprecedented. Sharing that message outside the hospital led to whistleblower attention, media appearances, and an internal investigation focused more on policy breaches than the underlying question: if outcome patterns appear to change, are we rigorously auditing data, confounders, and clinical pathways, and are we communicating those findings with transparency? We walk through her claims, her faith-driven courage, and why colleagues often stay silent out of fear for jobs or reputations.
Throughout the conversation, we keep returning to first principles. Informed consent is a relationship, not a rushed signature. Families have the right to ask about aluminum content, FDA safety limits referenced on federal pages, screening results for hepatitis B, and timing options. Clinicians deserve the space to raise red flags without retaliation. And when protocol meets conscience, the ethical response is more light, not less: better data, better explanations, and a willingness to change course if evidence demands it.
If you’re a parent, nurse, or physician wrestling with these questions, you’ll find practical takeaways: how to frame informed consent in plain language, what to ask before neonatal shots, and where to find third‑party resources that help families think clearly. Listen, share with someone who needs it, and join the conversation. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what does real informed consent look like in newborn care?
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Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country. Hosted by author and physician Dr. Robert Jackson and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller. So listen up because the doctor is in.
Speaker 3:Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr. Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, today I'm privileged to have online with me Michelle Gershman. Michelle is an OB nurse all the way out in California, believe it or not. And I happened to make her acquaintance by reading an article in the New American magazine authored by Rebecca Terrell. Some of you will remember that Rebecca has been my guest on this podcast a couple of times, and I was fascinated by Michelle's uh story that Rebecca featured in the New American article. So, Michelle, welcome to More Than Medicine, and I'd like for you to tell my listeners a little bit about yourself and how you came to be an OB nurse, and then I got some questions to ask you about the article that I read in The New American. So tell us, tell my listeners a little bit about who you are and how you came to be a an OB nurse all the way out there in California.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'd love to. Thank you so much for having me on. So my name is Michelle Gershman, and I'm a registered nurse. I've been a nurse for eight years, and I'm here in Fresno, California. I started off on the cardiac floor working as a nurse and taking care of typically older patients with cardiac issues or lung or kidney issues. And um, as much as I loved providing nursing care, it was kind of it felt like draining to my soul because uh we would give a lot of medications for these chronic issues and then send them home and they'd typically come back. And so I really wanted to be on the postpartum floor. I wanted to take care of babies because they're little blessings. And um I applied for postpartum and I got the job. And it was, I was so amazed when I that I even got the job because the nurses on postpartum, they never leave that floor, so there's hardly ever openings. And I even got hired on day shift. And when I started working on postpartum, I told my mom that I believe God put me on this floor, and I was just so happy to be there. I felt like I could relate with the mothers and I loved taking care of babies. I always have. And so um right away I started working on postpartum and I was in orientation and I was made to give a hepatitis B vaccine to an infant. And when I did that, um, I felt disgusted with myself. And so I kind of went down a rabbit hole about vaccines, and um just with my brief introduction here, I'm just kind of telling you. I know you we're probably gonna get more into that in a few minutes, but with my whistleblowing story. But um, when I gave that vaccine, I felt disgusted with myself and I didn't know why, because as a registered nurse, we're trained to give vaccines and we're taught that they're safe and effective. And when I got that feeling, I knew that I never wanted to do that again. And I didn't really know why. And so I went home and I told my mom, I said, because my mom was my best friend. Um, we we really had a great bond. And um, when I told her, I said, I think I need to quit postpartum and go back to the cardiac floor because I can't do this. I can't poke these babies, it doesn't feel right. And she said, Do not quit. Those babies need you, and you're saving them. And so I kept going to work um because I was happy to be on postpartum. I just was like, How am I gonna get out of giving these shots? And um, so I turned that into an opportunity to give informed consent to these mothers, and I kind of went down the rabbit hole on this hepatitis B vaccine. Um, so I can get more into that, but um just a little bit more about myself. I have three kids and um I homeschool now and I am a single mother, and my my mother passed away in 2021 from the hospital protocols, and then my husband passed away last year from kidney failure, and um so I'm just taking care of my three kids, and I'm despite all of the things that have been going on in the last couple of years, I am very blessed.
Speaker 3:I hear you, I hear you. Well, what did you learn about the hepatitis vaccine for little newborns?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I just completed a functional medicine program along with working um, you know, part-time as a registered nurse. I I also have a background in holistic medicine, and so I recently learned that hepatitis B vaccines have 250 micrograms of aluminum. Aluminum is a heavy metal and it's a neurotoxin, it doesn't belong in an infant's body. And on the CDC website, it states do not give more than 18 micrograms of aluminum in an infant's body because that exceeds the safety limit according to the FDA safety limits. And so when I learned that in my functional medicine program, I realized that every time a nurse gives this hepatitis B vaccine, they are chemically assaulting a baby. They're giving 10 times at least the amount of the safety dose, the safety limit of aluminum. And a lot of parents and a lot of uh medical providers have this misconception that vaccines are just normal saline and um like the protein of that virus that they're treating, but that's that's false. These vaccines have all kinds of toxic ingredients, and then so many parents are afraid of their babies getting sick with a virus, so they get the vaccine to prevent the sickness. But more parents should be afraid of the toxins that are in these shots, because the toxins in these shots are way more deadly or dangerous or toxic than the actual virus, you know, catching a cold or getting sick from a virus. So our bodies are designed to heal themselves. And so if you do not inject toxins into your body and you get sunshine and you have God and you drink plenty of water, you know, and you love your family and take care of each other, if you if a cold comes along and you catch it, you're gonna heal, you're gonna be fine. And so I don't know why parents over the last you know couple decades, they've become so afraid of catching a virus that they'll go inject all kinds of toxins into their babies' bodies. And so I I'm here to be a bridge to kind of like wake parents up because your babies don't need these toxins in their bodies.
Speaker 3:Now, what newborns are gonna get hepatitis B anyway?
Speaker 1:Right. So we screen every mother for hepatitis B when she comes into the hospital to deliver. 99% of the mothers are negative for hepatitis B. That the only way you can get hepatitis B is if your mother has it, she could pass it to you, which 99% of them don't, or if you have sex with someone who has hepatitis B. So why are these infants being treated for something that they're not going to get? Babies don't go out and perform these kind of behaviors when they leave the hospital. They just don't.
Speaker 3:I know, I know. It just baffles me, Miss Michelle. It baffles me why we have to give hepatitis B vaccines to to newborns.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 3:It does, it does. Well, now the article that I read talked about another concern that you had besides vaccines. What was that? An observation that you were making.
Speaker 1:Yes. So I started working postpartum in 2020, and that was right when COVID was going on and everybody was wearing their masks, and um, you know, everybody was scared of COVID. But for the most part, these mothers were coming into the hospital, delivering babies, and they were healthy and happy, and they'd go home with their healthy little brand new life. And it was normal, you know, there wasn't anything crazy really going on. And then in 2021, when the COVID vaccine started rolling out, these mothers, these pregnant women would go to their OB doctor, and the doctor would push the COVID vaccine. And it was within like a week, we suddenly had all these mothers coming into the hospital, going into labor, and instead of delivering their healthy baby, they were delivering stillborns. And this this was like a week after receiving their COVID vaccine. And so we went from having on any typical year before 2021, we would have four stillborns per year per year. Okay, and then after the COVID vaccine, we started having four stillborns per week. And that was right after that was right around March, April 2021, four dead babies born per week. Now we're in 2025. The babies are still being born dead at four per week. So it's been four years, four dead babies per week every week.
Speaker 3:That is amazing.
Speaker 1:And so I sounded the alarm, I became a whistleblower, I started speaking out, I received an email that went out to all these nurses in September of 2022, and it stated um in the month of August, there were 22 fetal demises, and that's a record number for the hospital, and it ties with the number in July of 2021. And in this email, if you really dissect that sentence, it's saying that every month for the last year from July 2021 until now, there have been about 20 dead babies born per month. That's what that sentence translates to. And um, so I took that email, which I believe this email, I believe that God is working through me because there's there's no other explanation for somebody writing this exact email and then for it to land in front of my eyes, and then for me to be able to send it to RFK Jr., like the the chances of that happening are basically zero. And so I I read that email and I was horrified. I couldn't work for the next half of my shift. All I could think about was this is some serious, crazy stuff. And so I sent it to a friend who sent it to RFK Jr. And he sent it off to about 16 people, and he said, Take care of this. This is going on in Fresno. Um, and then I started getting phone calls um from different people saying, Will you come and talk about this email that you received? And I ended up in a documentary called Died Suddenly in November of 2022. And then my workplace caught on. They saw that I was in this documentary sharing this email that originated from them. And so they investigated me in December of 2022. And they asked me all these questions. They tried to get me to viol to admit to violating HIPAA, which I didn't. And then they said, Are you again are you aware that it's against company policy to copy and paste an internal document? And I said, Why are you wasting your resources investigating why I copied and pasted an email? You guys need to be investigating why babies are dying.
Speaker 3:Exactly right. Exactly right. What are you trying to cover? What are you trying to cover up? Why aren't you investigating the deaths of all these unborn children?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. And so after I asked them that question, they said, you can go back to work. And I in that moment, I was like, wait a minute, I really thought I was gonna get fired today because of what I did. I shared an email, but they said I can go back to work. In my mind, that was they are admitting some sort of guilt. Like they know that if they fire me now, that they're they're gonna have to pay for that. And so I went back to work. I still work there, and um I still give mothers informed consent about hepatitis B vaccines, and the babies are still dying. And every time these mothers go to the doctor office, they're pushing vaccines. They either push COVID boosters, they push the TDAP vaccine, the flu vaccine, the RSV vaccine. It's like a vaccine cult over here, and so it's ridiculous, and um, it needs to stop. And so I've been shouting out like crazy, just trying to wake people up because um it's it's a serious issue. Also, I am a public health nurse, and I believe this is a public health issue. And during my nursing school, they told us if you see something going on, you have an obligation to speak out, especially if somebody's being harmed. And so that's just what I'm doing. I'm just I'm just doing what's right. And so it's frustrating. I've asked other nurses, will you speak out with me? And they all say the same thing. They say they don't want to lose their job. And um, to me, that statement will never really make sense to me because um it to me it translates to they'll sacrifice babies for money for their jobs, that's right instead of doing the right thing.
Speaker 3:It's cowardice, is what it is. And you see, I see that in the medical community as well. I talk to physicians about this issue, and uh and they said, I'm I'm not saying anything. Uh I I I I hear what you're saying, Doc. I I understand what you're saying, but I'm I'm not gonna say anything because I might lose my job. I got kids in college, I got a mortgage, and uh I I'm not gonna risk anything to say anything. Uh you go ahead and do that, but I'm not going to.
Speaker 1:Right. I am living proof that it doesn't matter. Money does not matter as long as you're doing the right thing, God will provide. Because, like I said, I lost my mother, I lost my husband, I am raising my three kids, and um, you know, I I work as a part-time nurse, and um I I could have been fired, right? And they still haven't fired me, but even if they do, I know I'm gonna be okay because I I thought that I couldn't live without my mother, and um, you know, I'm managing, and I, you know, of course my husband was a huge support, and I'm managing. So no matter what, is if you're doing the right thing, you you're you're gonna be taken care of no matter what.
Speaker 3:I believe that, Michelle. You always do what's good and right, and God will take care of you and me. And I try to tell that to some of my physician friends, but they they don't want to receive that. Um I don't think they have confidence or faith in God. And that's why our culture that's why our culture's in such disarray. Uh because people aren't willing to speak the truth in love uh and they're fearful and they're afraid. And I I appreciate folks like yourself who are who are fear not fearful, but bold and courageous to speak the truth and do the right thing. And you know, you and I have to be salt and light in this culture, don't we? And it and it takes uh folks like us uh being salt in the culture to preserve preserve and purify uh uh the culture. And Jesus called us to be the salt uh uh in in this culture and the light of the world. And if people aren't willing to to to be the salt and the light then we can't preserve uh the culture around us and we can't be the light in the world and if the salt has lost its saltiness, Jesus said it's not good for anything anymore but to be thrown out into the be into the street and be trampled under foot by men. And uh and I challenge my listeners to to be salty and let the salt get out of the salt shaker and uh be willing to speak the truth in love, of course. Um but but I I I just want you to know I appreciate your story. I appreciate you speaking the truth all the way out there in Fresno, California about this whole issue. Now, w when this got into the hands of uh Bobby Kennedy, do you know uh if he's been able to do anything about it?
Speaker 1:Well, he sent it to 16 different people and he said, take care of this. So it has been um it's gone viral. It's gone to all kinds of investigator reporters and different shows. I've gone on over, you know, 60 platforms at this point speaking out about this. So um I do believe that it's doing some good. It's it's hard because we still haven't broken through the mainstream media. Um, but I do believe Bobby's working on it. Um, especially the hep B vaccine, because last month Bobby and Trump had a press conference and they announced that the hepatitis B vaccine is kind of ridiculous, and they say maybe we should just push it back to give it at 12 years old. In reality, don't give it at all. But you know, for the sake of being in the mainstream media, I think Trump had to say that. But yeah, it's it's helpful to plant that seed, be you know, like wait. Don't give it to a newborn, just wait, you know. And so I think that they're making way. I think it's it's this vaccine program has been in a in program for so long that it's gonna take a while to undo it. But I do believe that that's coming. I think people are gonna wake up.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm I pray all the time for young mothers and for grandparents to speak the truth to their their young moms who are having babies. And for those of you who are in our listening audience, uh I encourage you to acquire a booklet is called the Silver Book, and it's by physicians for informed consent. Uh look it up on the internet and order a copy of it. But these physicians who are like Michelle, they want the patients to have informed consent. And it gives a wealth of information about vaccines. And I I encourage you to order the silver book and get it into the hands of young mothers so that they can have uh uh information about vaccines before they give vaccines to their small children. Uh and it and it gives information about the the hepatitis B vaccine uh before moms give it to their newborn. I mean that vaccine is pushed on moms as soon as their baby is born in the hospital before their neurologic system has even begun to be developed. And it's foolishness. And so I I encourage you, as my listening audience, to get a hold of the silver book by physicians for informed consent. And and people accuse me of being anti-vaccine, but really I'm more uh a physician that's supporting informed consent for my patients. I want my moms to know what's in the vaccines and what is a consequence of taking the vaccines. And if a patient is informed and they still demand the vaccine, well then I will give it to 'em because they know what they're asking for. But my my responsibility is for them to be in f fully informed.
Speaker 1:Ninety-nine percent of the time when they're fully informed, they don't get it.
Speaker 3:That's right. When they're informed, they'll say, No, I don't think I want to do that. Right. And that's my responsibility to make sure that they're fully informed. And that's what you're doing, Miss Michelle, and I appreciate that. I really do appreciate your willingness to step out on a limb and inform your patients uh about the vaccines, COVID vaccine especially, and the f the n nefarious effect that it has on pregnant moms. And you're not the first guest that I've had on this program talking about the effect of COVID vaccine on fertility and on uh pregnant mothers. Uh, had a physician on, Dr. Matt Clark, uh, who spoke to my audience about a year ago about that very issue and fetal wastage, the the number of miscarriages uh and steelbirths associated with the COVID vaccine. So you're not the first one that's brought that subject up to my listening audience. Well now we're about out we're about out of time, so can I can I get you to have any concluding remarks before our time is up?
Speaker 1:Well, you mentioned about informed consent and um you know the ingredients in the shot, and I just think that it's an attack on God's design. I think that God created us um perfectly in his image, and we don't need to inject any man-made ingredients into our bodies. Um, and I just I you know, I just really want to get that message across that don't don't be afraid of getting a cold. And um yeah, I just just keep um speaking up too at the same time, you know. If if you know the listeners take anything away from this, just don't be afraid to speak up because you'll you'll always be protected. You're gonna be okay. Just do the right thing.
Speaker 3:I agree, I agree. Well, thank you, Miss Michelle. My guest today is Michelle uh Gershman. I say that right, Michelle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my my married name is Gershman and my maiden name is Spencer, and I go by both.
Speaker 3:All right. Well, I appreciate your time, Miss Michelle. I appreciate the you sharing your experience, and uh maybe another time I can have you back uh to give us an update a little further down the road. Would that be okay?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be great. Thank you. Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3:All right, well, thank you, ma'am. May the Lord bless you, and I I appreciate your experience and your willingness to speak up. All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine. Just remember that your doctor loves you, and between now and next week, may the Lord bless you. Real good.
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