MTM - Interview with Scott Schara..Is the Government Legally Killing Us? Part One

A discounted heart scan for $80 turns into a moment of clarity: medicine isn’t only shaped by what’s true, but also by what gets rewarded. We sit down with Scott Schara, returning guest and father of Grace, to talk about his book “Is the Government Legally Killing Us?” and the case he makes that modern healthcare incentives can be engineered through law, regulation, and reimbursement so thoroughly that accountability disappears when patients are harmed.

We walk through the story behind the book, including why Scott frames the title as a question, what he says he found across 4,000 hours of research, and why Grace’s death in the ICU during COVID became both a personal breaking point and a public mission. Along the way, we talk candidly about “programming” in medical training, the fear-driven narratives many of us lived through, and why so many good people stayed quiet even when something felt off. Scott also explains why he added chapters about Grace after the manuscript was “done,” and how emotion and evidence belong together if you want to reach family and friends who are not awake yet.

We also dig into the deeper structure: Jacobson v Massachusetts, the Flexner Report, the rise of the medical-industrial complex, and the claim that CMS reimbursement policies and healthcare metrics quietly set the real standard of care. If you care about medical freedom, informed consent, patient autonomy, or how hospital payment systems influence clinical decisions, you’ll find plenty here to wrestle with. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs a nudge to think, and leave a review with the question you still can’t shake.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Setup

SPEAKER_03 0:05

More than nothing. We're gonna use this more than enough. Doctor and the Melbourne. So let's the doctor.

Welcoming Scott Shara Back

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr. Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I'm privileged today to have uh as our guest Scott Sharra, who, if you remember, was our guest some time back when he shared the story of his daughter Grace, who unfortunately died in the ICU from COVID, and that was a very heartbreaking story that he shared with us. I can't remember, maybe over a year ago. So, Scott, welcome back to More Than Medicine.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Well, it's great to be back, and I it's great to hear your voice again, also. So thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Well, thank you. It's our honor to have you as our guest. Now, the occasion for you being back is that you have published a book, and I hear that it's going well like gangbusters on Amazon and other

The Book Claim And Research

SPEAKER_01 1:21

venues. So tell us a little bit about the title of your book and a little bit about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

So the title of the book uh is interesting because uh when I first started writing, I had the title it was The Government Is Legally Killing Us. And I talked with a friend of mine who's a publisher, and he said, Scott, you got to frame it in the form of a question, you're gonna sell more books. So the the title of the book is Is the government legally killing us? And the subtitle is equally important because the subtitle is twofold. It says, Is the evidence obvious? And I go through uh 4,000 hours of research, Doc, to show the evidence that in fact they have put legislation in place to legally kill us. And so no one will ever be held to account for medical murder. And then the second subtitle is how the fear of death and the illusion of freedom turn us into accomplices to evil. And you know, in summation, that second piece of the subtitle is we have, because of our lazy, sinful nature, we have turned over our birthright to the state. And the state is involved with a globalist depopulation agenda, and we are the enemy. So, in short, it was this is a summary got put on my heart after the jury trial in last June, uh, in August, to write down everything I've learned about the medical industrial complex. And at that time, I thought it was just going to be an ultra-long substack broken into parts, and I had an MD uh review my substack, and she said,

Grace’s Story And The Mission

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Scott, this is a book. And uh that's that's how the book was born back in August of 25, and it just was released three weeks ago.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Wow. Well, now what motivated you to turn it into the book? Just her saying that, or or was there other motivation?

SPEAKER_02 3:25

Well, you know, when I look at the motivation for our mission, we're our mission is under Genesis 5020, which says what you meant for evil, God meant for good, the saving of many lives, which is happening today. And Grace is Grace was a martyr. Uh, she was a martyr to me first. Uh, I would not have known I wouldn't know any of this. I was not awake. I was an obedient slave uh in the American dream slave system. I didn't know anything. I'm just a dad, and I've owned my own business for over 30 years. And um you know, so once you uh see what uh Grace's death means to you, what it meant to me personally, it became an obligation and a responsibility. So uh, as we've done with everything relative to Grace's death, we're not monetizing a thing. 100% of the proceeds go to Grace's foundation, and and we use those proceeds for uh the website and billboards. Um we simply just want to uh make sure that her

A Doctor’s Wake Up During COVID

SPEAKER_02 4:35

death is not in vain. So it's not not anything more complicated than that.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Well, I'm gonna tell you a secret. I was like you. I was blind until COVID, and I just wasn't seeing things as they really are. And I have a book in my mind to write entitled The True Confessions of a Once Blind Family Doctor. Because just like yourself, I was so blind to so many things, especially pediatric vaccines, which I gave to my patients for thirty something years. And then when COVID hit, it was like the Spirit of God just slapped me on the side of the head and said, Son, wake up. And all of a sudden I realized that I could not trust the CDC or the FDA because I I realized they were not telling me the truth. And because of that I began to dig deep, and I realized that there were lots of things that I held as gospel truth in the medical community that were not true. And there were so many things about pediatric vaccines and also adult vaccines to a certain extent that are just not true. And like yourself, I began to realize there were things about the medical industrial complex that were not true, not healthy, and uh th I have begun to distance myself from all of these things. And I believe I could easily write an entire book about the things that I have learned, and I think it would be a very revealing book, my brother.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Well, I think it would be fantastic. You know, uh praise God, I've been a life lifelong learner, so it wasn't hard for me to jump in and start uh unlearning what I've been programmed to believe. But you know, this idea of programming is real.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

You know, you you went through X number of years of medical school and you know they kept programming you over and over and over. And so um all of a sudden you come out and you have blinders on. Yeah. Um, so that same thing happened to me, and you know, not in the same lane as you, but I mean I was uh taught to trust the medical system that the doctors first do no harm. Um we had been at least partially awake, but uh not to the extent that I am now. And what I mean by that is Grace was never vaccinated, not just with the COVID vaccine, but with any vaccine. And it's because we homeschooled the earlier two kids, and at a homeschool convention, they uh brought up the reality of trusting God versus trusting man uh in the vaccine realm. And so that's why Grace was never vaccinated. But I

Jacobson, Flexner, And Collectivism

SPEAKER_02 7:35

didn't realize on the extent of this, that it is uh it has been a system uh that got its legs well really a long time ago in the book. I I um go into the virology vaccine agenda that started in the mid-1800s, but as far as the medical-industrial complex, it really got it started in 1905 with Jacobson versus Massachusetts. And in that Supreme Court case, uh Jacobson was a pastor, he didn't want to take the smallpox vaccine. And in that Supreme Court case, the Supreme Court decided 7-2 in favor of the state. And what happened in that decision is it it put a stake in the ground for the satanic principle of collectivism. Uh, God's an individualist, not a collectivist. And you know, and I'll explain this as I'll just quote from their decision. They said, quote, the rights of the individual in respect to his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations as the safety of the general public may demand. All right, so then that sounds uh reasonable to somebody hearing it for the first time, but it's it's pragmatism, which pragmatism is the enemy of truth. And because think just think about who defines great dangers and who defines reasonable regulations. Right. Well, it's it's the government. That's right. And and so then, you know, as you well know because of your profession, the the Flexner report in 1910 introduced allopathic medicine to the world, and you know, all of a sudden conventional medicine becomes everything that is programmed in the medical school. So now we have an arm, a tentacle. You know, this is only one of the ways they're implementing the depopulation agenda, but they have a tentacle of um people in white coats that we're programmed to trust uh that will implement this agenda. You know, and then you know, subtentacles of that, of course, is the vaccine agenda, and you know, COVID exposed it all. But this has been going on. And yeah, I don't spend a lot of time in the book on COVID because I don't want people to buy into the narrative that they're selling us today that COVID was a mistake, you know, we're going to work on safe vaccines, you know, the MRN um mRNA technology wasn't perfected. You know, these are all lies that they're they're trying to get us to believe, so it takes the onus off of the truth. And you know, the truth is COVID was a PSYOP uh that was developed by our own government.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Yep, you're right, you're right. Very few people understand that, but that's exactly what it was. Yep. And and you know, with with Flexner, they just totally eliminated the whole idea of alternative options in medicine, like al allopathic and homeopathic medicine. And you know, they only allowed one path in medicine. And that standard of care medicine that is drilled into positions today is you know, who who gets to decide what is the standard of care?

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Well, I that's that's the main secret that I reveal in the book. Uh, who does decide it? And what I reveal in the book is who decides it is the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and they do it through reimbursement policies. Uh strangely, I was introduced to that

Who Controls Standard Of Care

SPEAKER_02 11:18

idea in May of 2018. And if I would have only studied it all the way, Grace would be alive today. And so what happened in May of 2018 is uh we still had conventional medical insurance, we weren't awake to that scheme. Um, and I had turned 55 in April, and the insurance company said, if you go to the doctor, we have a flat fee of $300 for a physical. We this is highly recommended. So I went to the doctor and everything was fine. And he just said to me, Would you like to do a CT scan of your heart? And I said, Well, I don't have any reason to. He said, Well, we're it they're normally $2,000. We're running a special for $80. So of course, uh, you know, a man can't turn down a deal like that. So I did the CT scan, and the next day I got a call that said, You need to come to our office right away. I sat down with the cardiologist, and um, you know, it was a long meeting. And you know, ultimately I said, You know, what's the bottom line? He said, Well, you have high cholesterol, that's what's causing your heart disease. I said, Well, what's what's your recommendation? Well, you should go on the statin, and you know, and praise God I didn't roll over in that meeting. And I have a a friend uh that my wife, Cindy, and I graduated from high school with. She's a doctor, and I called her. Her name is Sue, and I said, Sue, this is what the I just the the card I was just dealt. Uh they said I have a 1200 calcium score, which is the OMG level. And she's she said, Scott, my husband just had a heart attack two months ago. I'm researching this myself. Let me send you some information. So I spent probably every waking hour for three to four weeks diving into heart disease, and I found out the cardiologist lied to me about high cholesterol and the statin. Uh, so I went back into the doctor and showed him what I had found. And surprisingly, he was very uh gracious and said, Scott, what you have learned is 10 years ahead of what I know. Keep going. And and here's the secret, though. The nurse who was in that same room, she walked me out and she said, Scott, I want to tell you something you're not gonna want to hear. I said, What is it? She said, You have to take the stab. I said, What are you talking about? I don't have to take anything. And she said, our Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates are based on the percentage of our patient population that follows the standard of care. And the standard of care for heart disease is the stab. I said, I'm not on Medicare and Medicaid. She said, You don't, you didn't hear me. It's based on our entire patient population, not the subset of those patients who are on Medicare and Medicaid. And if there's enough patients like you who won't follow the standard of care, we have to fire you as a patient to keep our reimbursement rates up. And that is the secret as to how the federal government, through the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, because of the Chevron Doctrine in 1984, is in control of 99.9% of the health care of the American population. And these standards of care are designed to hasten our death.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Yep, exactly. And see, that applies to so many things, not just how many people take statins, it's it's how many pediatric patients receive uh pediatric vaccines.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Exactly. You know, chemotherapy for cancer, and it's just on and on and on. It's all designed to kill us. Uh you know, so this is why I say it is the government legally killing us. It's obvious. You know, somebody read the book and uh, Scott, you could just write yes on every page. Yeah, but that that wasn't my goal. I want to show people how they did this. It's masterful. Yeah, you know, they did this over a period of you know, since 1905, laws put in place, or I should say legislation put in place um to trick us. And so then we don't see it. I mean, we're not used to seeing things over a long term like that and be orchestrated. So we become the boiling frogs because we're not paying attention.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Yeah, you're exactly right. Exactly

Metrics, Autonomy, And Financial Pressure

SPEAKER_01 15:42

right. And you know, and I see it every day. I mean, I mean my the hospital I work for, everything is is boiled down to the metrics. And the hospital gets reimbursed, the doctors get reimbursed, everybody gets paid if they meet up to certain metrics. You know, how many how many diabetic patients are have their A1C under a certain level, how many patients are on statins, how many patients are uh getting their colon cancer uh test. And you know, uh and ostensibly all those things are good, but I have lots of patients don't want to don't want to be on a statin. You know, they've done their research and they don't they don't think a statin is a good idea. And you know, your patients are have autonomy. They have their own ideas about how they want to be treated. And so they don't want to comply. They don't want to be a part of that metric. And now some people don't care. They don't they're not informed, they don't know, and they just play along. But honestly, a lot of my patients are medical freedom patients. That's why they come to see me. They know I'm a medical freedom doctor. So there's no way for me to meet those metrics because of the number of patients in my patient population who are informed, educated, and medical freedom type patients. You see? So I'm already behind the eight ball when it comes to those metrics.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Yeah, so I mean you're choosing wisely to obey God and take a pay cut versus obeying man and have a higher income.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

That's right. Yeah, that is that's what you've been called to do, and you know, uh I'm thankful for men like you who are willing to uh break away from the herd. Uh you know, there's a lot of them that don't even realize they're in, you know, they've been programmed. So I mean that's right. I it can of course extend a lot more grace to people who are clueless than the ones that uh it's very important for them to keep their million-dollar mortgage and their Mercedes payment and everything else. So then they they make sure that you know they they hit all the metrics at 100%.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Well, they have to because most physicians I know are are up to their eyebrows in debt. You see, I I learned a long time ago to live debt-free. And so I can I can walk away from the hospital system any day I want to because I'm debt-free. And I don't I don't have to have them. They they need me more than I need them.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

And my my uh my my office manager told me a long time ago, she said, Dr. Jackson, they'll never fire you. And I said, Why? I'm a thorn in their flesh. And she said, because you make them too much money. So there you go. Well, now let me ask you this. Who who's the book written for, Scott? It's a fascinating book with a fascinating title and a fascinating content. Who'd you write this book for?

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Yeah, that's I wish more people would ask that question. The book is is actually not written for the medical freedom community, although the medical freedom community are the ones who are going to read it. Um, because I wrote it, it's interesting because you have to have a perspective. I mean, you know, because you've written books, you have a perspective, and my perspective was I want the people who read it to laugh uh because I've got some stories about Grace, and you know, I just have a kind of a warped sense of humor that's weaved through the book. I want them to cry because of what happened to Grace, and I want them to be mad that they have been taken advantage of by our government. Um, and yet I want them to also see that the dots are connected. This is also a research book. Uh, it has an index, and so when they see, okay, it's all threaded together, and and the source documents are there uh so that when they're done, they can say, okay, this book is written gently with enough softness, and it's gentle enough that I can pass this along to my friend, relative, neighbor who's not awake and bring them into the fold.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

That's good. That's who it's written for.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Well, I'm already thinking about buying about 10 of them just so I can just hand them out to all the people I know that need to have their eyes opened, you know. So let me ask you this. Now, do you did you talk about Grace and what happened to her in the book?

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Absolutely. Yeah, I go, you know, the introduction. It's funny because you know, I don't have any experience writing a book. So uh the

Who The Book Is Written For

SPEAKER_02 20:35

publisher friends, I you know, when you first decide to do a book, you know, think, okay, am I gonna have a publisher? How does this even work? And I have a friend of mine who I've met 20 years ago who owns a publishing company. So he read it and he said, it doesn't, it's not in his wheelhouse, but it helped me self-publish. So it was the blinding flash of the obvious. I mean, I had all the research, right? He said, Scott, people are gonna want to know about Grace. And so the chapters about Grace were added afterward. Um after I actually had the what I thought was the manuscript done. And of course, it made it a much better book to have Grace's story in the book.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Sure, sure, sure. See, that gives it personality, that gives it life and emotion. It's not just a technical information book, it's got life, it's got personality now that you got Grace in there.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

Right, and I think that's what people will get a they'll get a charge out of it at the beginning. Oh, yeah. But then it it's it's intense also. I mean it it it covers a lot of um it covers all the emotions that people will have. And it's it was emotional for me to write.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

I bet it was.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

I bet it was the hardest the hard I had a copy editor. Uh you know, so between the the gentleman who helped me self publish and the copy editor, you know, they guided me with the thing, yeah, I don't know anything about books, you know, like a verso page and all of that. Uh but then the copy editor said, Well, you gotta write a dedication. And um So I'm gonna I'll read the dedication. And it's only three sentences. Um actually it's four sentences, and this dedication uh I'll get cheery, I just read it now, but it sent me back a whole day. I couldn't do anything for a day after I got this done. So I wrote to my best buddy Grace.

Adding Grace And Reading The Dedication

SPEAKER_02 22:25

You showed me what God's love and faith in him look like. Your death has not been in vain. I love I love you, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

That's right. Oh my goodness. I can understand. I can understand. Well, that's powerful. That's powerful. Well, look, our time is up for for for the first session. Can you stay over and and let's do another session for for next week?

SPEAKER_02 22:51

You bet back. That would be fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

All right, let's do that. All right, all right, you're listening more than medicine. My guest today is Scott Shara. We're talking about his book, Is the Government Slowly Killing Us? Did I say that right? Is that right?

SPEAKER_02 23:04

No, legally. Legally killing us. Legally killing us.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Is the government legally killing us? And and and and I want to get him to to validate that. And we're going to come back, we're going to do another session, and I'm going to get him to validate that that question. Can you do that for us, my brother?

SPEAKER_02 23:21

You bet.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

All right. Uh, we'll be back next week. Till then, remember this now. Jesus loves you and your doctor loves you. Until next week, may the Lord bless you.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Real good. Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than Medicine. For more information about the Jackson Family Ministry or to schedule a speaking engagement, go to their Facebook page, Instagram, or webpage at JacksonFamily Ministry.com. Also, don't forget to check out Dr. Jackson's books that are available on Amazon.

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