Tim Shurr on Rewiring the Root Belief Behind Anxiety and Self-Sabotage

Season 14 kicks off with a conversation that gets to the root of why we stay stuck even when we're trying hard not to be.

In this episode, we sit down with Tim Shurr to unpack why stress, self-sabotage, and anxiety usually aren't a discipline problem they're a belief problem. Tim walks us through his One Belief Away method, and why lasting change happens when you find and replace the root belief driving your behavior, not when you just white-knuckle your way through it with more effort.

We get into how "big T" and "little T" traumas both shape the meaning we assign to events as kids and how those childhood interpretations quietly run the show well into adulthood. Tim breaks down common self-sabotage loops and teaches us how to become a "belief hunter," tracking a stuck emotion back to the very first time we felt it.

We also talk about the difference between fear-based beliefs and faith-based beliefs, and what it actually looks like to shift from playing not to lose into playing to win. Tim explains why affirmations often fail not because they don't work, but because they're aimed at the wrong target and introduces the idea of "achiever syndrome," where outward success keeps piling up while inner peace never shows up to match it.

Finally, we cover the practical difference between power questions and lousy questions, and how your focus works like a GPS: point it at the wrong destination, and it'll faithfully take you there every time.

If you've ever felt like you're doing "all the right things" but still can't shake the pressure, this episode is for you.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Setup

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, if you're a part of the back of the work team, we have an excited off the phone. But you know how to do it, let's talk about the coffee of the week before we introduce our guest is a topic marshmallow late. Today we are joined by Tim Sherr, a math set expert, speaker, and creator of the One Belief Away method. For years, Tim has kept high achievers break-free from stress, self-sabotage, and limiting beliefs by identifying the unconscious patterns that keep them stuck. Through more than 15,000 client sessions, he's discovered that lasting change doesn't come from trying harder. It comes from changing the beliefs that drive our behaviors. Grab your coffee and join us as we explore our small shifts and thinking to create big transformations in life, business, and relationships. Welcome, Tim.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Thanks, Paula. I'm excited for our conversation today.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

I am too. So, Tim, what inspired you to create the one belief obey method?

Why Tim Built The Method

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Well, that was kind of by accident. My goal was to try to figure out how to get rid of my own anxiety, worries, fears, you know, how to figure out uh how to achieve with peace instead of constant pressure and uncertainty all the time. And so uh I went to school when I was a kid for psychology because I thought that's where you figure yourself out. Uh, because I had a counselor who said, Yeah, Tim, you have generalized anxiety disorder. And I'm like, well, how do I get general confidence in order? He's like, Well, you got to do the work, whatever that means. And so I went to school for psychology and I found that therapy was very slow. You know, a lot of times talking about our problems is kind of like cutting the top off of a weed. You know, it never really seems to get to the root to the root of it. So the problems just keep coming back and coming back. And so then we try to distract ourselves or um medicate ourselves, right? So we're smoking, we're drinking, we're eating, right? Or we're trying to be successful, so we put all our energy into work. And yet that's like throwing dirt on top of the weeds. You know, it's covering it up, but it's not changing anything. And so we end up sometimes 20, 30 years later, with the same imposter syndrome, the same kind of issues, the same bad habits, the same insecurities of not being good enough. And so I set out and made it my mission to try to figure out how to end needless emotional suffering. And I figured it out for myself. And then after thousands of sessions, I figured it out for my clients. And that process became what I called the one belief away method, because I discovered that you're just one belief away from having a pretty huge breakthrough.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

I love the one belief away. That sounds interesting. That's what when I saw your background, I was like, I'm glad to hear about that. Because you you you're uh at that point where you're not treating the symptoms, you're saying this is what you need to do.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Yeah, this is the source of it, where all the symptoms come from.

Trauma And The Beliefs We Install

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

So we have when we're growing up, we all go through experiences, right? And those experiences, um, our brain's trying to figure out what those experiences mean. Right. And sometimes uh we have what I call big T and little T traumas, right? And uh, and so little T traumas are when you get embarrassed you in in front of third grade class, you know, doing a presentation, or you don't get picked to be on somebody's team, or if somebody hurts your feelings, right? Just the things that we go through. And then the big T traumas are like the you know, the abuses that people go through, uh, where we get traumatized or a death in the family or a divorce or a big move or things like that. And uh, and so our brain's trying to figure out what does this mean. And it does it without our permission, without us even knowing that it's doing it. And a lot of times it comes up with meaning that's false because we're doing this, you know, when we're little kids. And so uh, you know, something happens to us and and our brain thinks it's because it's our fault or we're not good enough or you can't trust people. And then those beliefs end up becoming the mental code that we're running from, you know, our brains using for our whole life. And so you got to go in there and you gotta upgrade those beliefs. You got to pull the weed out at the root and then replace it with the flower to be able to get real lasting change.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Awesome.

Self-Sabotage And Belief Hunting

SPEAKER_01 4:12

And you talk a lot about self-sabotage. What are some of the most common ways people get in their own way?

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Well, just take a look at our day, you know, and we say we're not gonna have that argument with our spouse, and then we do. You know, we we we say that we're gonna get up and exercise, and then we don't, you know, we we do all kinds of things that uh, you know, where we have the best intentions, and then afterwards we're like, I don't know what happened. You know, the day just the day got away from me. I didn't pray hard enough. I'm not sure. Yeah. And so yeah, and and so, you know, what do we do to break out of that? And I found that just doing personal development and just talking about it and and praying, which is all it's beautiful, it's wonderful. We need to do that. There's also those beliefs that are inside, though, and we've got to find them and we've got to upgrade them. And I can give you some ideas for how to do that today, uh, so that you can start to become what I call a belief hunter and a wisdom collector. Right. So we got to start asking ourselves, what would I have to believe in order to think this way, feel this way, behave this way, to try to get to the, like you said, to the source of it, to the root. Right. And then once we figure out what would I have to believe to feel this way, you know, what would I rather believe instead? You know, so we start to decide how I want to believe and how I want to show up where I'm at now with the wisdom and the resources and the life experience that I now have that I didn't have back when I was a kid when these beliefs were originally formed. Okay, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

And can one belief really change the direction of someone's life or career?

From Not Enough To Worthy

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Yeah. So imagine that you grow up and you have this feeling of not being good enough. That's where all the other fears come from. The fear of rejection, the fear of failure, the fear of being humiliated, the fear of being abandoned, the fear of success, right? All the fears come from the fear of not being enough. And because I'm not enough, I won't be loved.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Right?

SPEAKER_00 6:19

So how do I get love? How do I feel safe? And so we develop these strategies to try to feel that way. So we chase approval, we become a people pleaser, we become the achiever, we're the one that everybody relies on, we're the one that's always uh getting in trouble, you know, but at least we get it some kind of attention, even if it's the wrong kind of attention. So, or you know, we become the person that doesn't talk to humans. I don't like humans. I got a lot of cats, a lot of dogs, but I don't like people, right? Because people are unsafe, right? And so uh, you know, these beliefs are influencing us 24 hours a day. And if you shift from I'm not enough to I'm more than enough, you know, if you shift to from I'm not worthy to I'm more than worthy, you know, God made me, I'm a child of God, I'm more than worthy.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Right?

SPEAKER_00 7:10

When you shift these these fear-based beliefs into faith-based beliefs, then it changes how you view everything. It's just it's like looking through the world in a different kind of glasses, right? And so uh so that's gonna influence how you feel about yourself, which will influence what kind of actions you take. It'll influence whether you show up or whether you don't. It'll influence whether you take a risk or whether you hold back. You know, a lot of people go through life playing not to lose. You know, how do I not get hurt? How do I not get ripped off? How do I not get scammed? You know, and then they never take those chances, you know, and then you can't win doing that. You know, you can't you can't win a game only playing defense. Right. And so we want to play to win. Right, right. And so when you're playing to win, it's because you believe that you can, that it's possible and that you're worthy. And then that changes, and all of a sudden you're taking those risks. You know, you're putting yourself out there, you're going for it because you believe that you can have it as much as anybody else. And what you think about comes about, what you focus on, you move towards. And whatever you think about most of the time, and truly whatever you believe most about yourself, that's what your life is going to become.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Yeah, I love that. You are more than worthy, right? Fearfully and wonderfully made.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

That's right. Amen.

Why Affirmations Often Fail

SPEAKER_01 8:30

What's the biggest misconception people have about personal transformation?

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Um, there's two things I think. The first is that it's a bunch of nonsense. You know, it's people just telling themselves stuff that's not true. Oh, I'm a millionaire, and then I look at my wallet and I got four dollars in there. You know, and so yeah. They think it's just affirmation sitting in the mirror saying, I'm good enough and people like me. And that's not really what it is. In fact, that doesn't work that much anyway, because we argue with ourselves. I'm worthy. No, I'm not, right? And we get into this debate because we're we're again we're cutting the top off the weed. We're not getting to the real belief as why you think you're not worthy. And that was just a misunderstanding, you know. So, or is because someone felt that way about themselves and they leaked it on to you when you were growing up, right? So there's a lot of reasons for why we end up feeling the way that we do. It's not by accident. And so uh uh, I mean, sometimes that what happens can be an accident, right? When I was 12, my dad got blown up in a fire at a steel mill in Gary, Indiana. Uh we grew up in Indiana, and so when we uh, I mean, that was an accident, but it affected us, you know. He he didn't die, but he was burned severely and he had all these scars on the outside. Our family had all these scars on the inside, right? And so it left me with this belief that something bad could happen at any time, and there's nothing I can do about it, right? So that's created the anxiety inside of me, that constant fear that something bad was gonna happen. And so I had to learn how to find that belief and upgrade it and into that I'm safe, I'm good, I got this. And if I don't, God has me. Right? And so, yeah. And that, you know, I started upgrading my beliefs to to that, you know what? Whatever happens, happens. I'll be able to handle it. It doesn't matter what shows up. What matters is how I show up. It doesn't matter what happens to me. What matters is what I bring to the situation. So I'm bringing the joy, I'm bringing the glory, right? I'm bringing, I'm bringing the intention. And when I show up that way now, I'm not playing not to lose, I'm playing to win. And it just changes the energy, it changes what your mind pays attention to, and it allows you to lift up. It's not like you don't have problems anymore, you just go through them now with peace instead of pressure.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

I like that you had that different max said about it. So, y'all hear that chit chat us bring the joy. Because you're playing to win, you're not playing to lose.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Love it. Wow, you've had a lot of clients after 15,000 plus sessions.

Achiever Syndrome And Hidden Stress

SPEAKER_01 11:14

What patterns do you see showing up over and over again?

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Oh, that's a good question. Really the same patterns over and over. What surprises people is that um, well, one, we think that we're the only ones going through it, that nobody could really understand what I'm going through, and that if you knew what I've been through, you would totally, you know, never talk to me again. Right. But we've all gone through that. I've worked with people that on paper seem to have it all, and they're so unhappy and so stressed out, have the same kind of issues and insecurities. Maybe they just won a big award, maybe they're famous, maybe they're wealthy, and yet they have the same insecurities, they have the same worries, they have the same fears, you know, because just trying to achieve to feel peace doesn't do it. Because I call it achiever syndrome. The more you accomplish, the more you feel you have to lose, the more you feel like someone's gonna come blindside you, the more you feel like if you stop, if you relax, if you let up at all, if you let your guard down, then you're gonna miss opportunities or it's all gonna be taken away. And so it causes us to be constantly stressed, even when we feel like we're supposed to have arrived or we've done everything that we're supposed to do. And where's the payoff? We're still not feeling the way that we thought we were gonna feel.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

I like that because I know a lot of people always often think, well, if I just had such and such money, then I could do this, I won't have that problem. But it's like at the end of the day, they're human too. They may have a little bit more money than you have, but I guarantee you they experience some of the same pain and anxiety that you feel, you know, even oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yes, the the issues don't go away just because you have a bigger car or you have a bigger house, you know, it's just more to take care of. It's more responsibility, you know, and it doesn't change how you're feeling inside. So, you know, if you're continually fighting with your spouse or you're on your third marriage, or you know, you you cannot your your weight just keeps going up every month, every year because we're stress-eating, we're bored, we're unhappy, or we're just not taking care of ourselves, or, you know, whatever it may be, there's always going to be stress and fear in our life. And so we have to learn how to be that wisdom collector, how to manage our beliefs. And if people start focusing on our beliefs, then it gives you more power, it gives you more ability to feel the way you want to feel, right? So those are I asked this two questions, and those are two questions you can ask yourself. If you're feeling stuck, if you're feeling overwhelmed, if you're feeling hurt or angry, ask yourself, one, what would I have to believe to feel the way that I'm feeling? And then dig a little deeper, right? So, well, I'd have to feel that, you know, my spouse was a moron, or I have to feel like the the president is this or that, or I have to feel like the world is, you know, going to hell, you know, and uh, you know, or I married the wrong person, or my my in-laws are driving me nuts, or whatever, you know, now I'm taking care of my my parent, and my parent never even took care of me when I was little, right? And so we have all these challenges that go, don't even get me started on my coworkers, right? Or my boss. And so, you know, we have we have a the stress in our lives. If you start asking yourself, what would I have to believe to feel this way, you'll start getting to a truth, which is I feel like life's unfair. I feel like I'm not being valued, I feel like nobody cares about me. I feel like um, you know, I've got the raw end of the of the stick, you know, and we start to feel like, and what would that have to mean? Well, I guess that would have to mean that, you know, that I'm it's always gonna be this way. There's nothing I can do about it, you know, and either we then get angry at everybody else, or we turn that anger inward and we get super depressed and we lose our energy and drive because we're taking it out on ourselves. And either way, anger out, you know, always being angry at everybody else is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die. It only poisons us. And and turning that inward is the biggest self-sabotage because we're literally holding ourselves back. And the thing is that a lot of times we know it, but we still don't know how to change it. And we've tried therapy and we've tried journaling, we've tried yoga, and we've tried these different things. I'm drinking herbal teas, I'm taking this new, you know, antidepressant, and it's not doing it. And that's because we got to upgrade the beliefs that we have about ourselves. That's the missing piece of this. And it took me almost 40 years to figure that out, but that is truly the missing piece. And so we find what do I have to really ultimately end up believing about myself? And then the second question, what would I rather believe instead? Because beliefs are just opinions, right? You have the right to whatever opinion you want.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

That's true, that is

Finding The First Time Feeling

SPEAKER_01 16:23

so true. And it's so interesting that you uh said that because the next question, you pretty much answered it, is how can someone identify the belief that's holding them back? And you were touching on that.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Yeah, so that's the first way. And sometimes when we go through it on our own, it's a little bit challenging. You know, even really, really, really smart people have a hard time figuring this out by themselves because we can't see our own blind spots. I mean, we can see the flaws in other people very clearly, but to see them in ourselves is more difficult. So it's important that you have someone that you work with that can help you figure out what those deeper beliefs are. So, and I've got my One Belief Away book, you know, and you can get the ebook for like $5 or something on Amazon, right? And they give you the extra the strategies for how to do it. My books are always how-to manuals, they don't tell you what how you should think, they just they help you to figure out how to solve the problems you're dealing with right now. And so those experiences are in there. And we've got audio books or programs or coaching. Uh, it doesn't matter if you work with me, you just gotta find someone who's gonna help you figure out what the beliefs are and start to upgrade them. And uh, because the way that I do it is I help you start with a feeling, you know, how are you feeling right now when you're feeling, you know, I'm feeling angry, I'm feeling lost, I'm feeling disrespected, I'm feeling scared. Then we step into that feeling, and I help you go back to the moment in time, the first time you ever felt that feeling, because that was the moment when the belief was formed. And so your mind has a way of going right back, and it doesn't matter how old we are. I've had clients that were 80, 90. My oldest client was 91 years old.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

And her name was Tempest. She wanted to lose weight, she lost 12 pounds out of 15, she was thrilled to death. And so, but so it doesn't matter how old we are, she was still struggling with the same issues from her childhood as everybody else. And so most people will go back to a time before they were 17. And most people go back to a time before they were 10. And so now all of a sudden I'm six years old and I'm remembering something that I had no idea, I had no memory of. You know, where somebody said, I remember this one guy one time, he was a little kid, he was about five or six, and he was sitting by on the ground by his dad, and his dad was working on a car, and his dad got mad because he was it wasn't going well, and he asked his son for a uh a Phillips screwdriver, and his son didn't know what that was, so he handed him a tool, and it was the wrong one, and his dad yelled at him and said, You're an idiot, you'll never learn anything. Oh no, and it just got stuck in his head. Now, his dad wasn't trying to ruin his kid's life, he was just in a bad mood. He made a poor judgment call. He didn't know the kid was gonna form a belief that was gonna rule him for the rest of his life because people don't understand that, right? But it happened anyway, and now I'm sitting here with this guy and he's 45 years old and he's feeling stuck in his in his career because he just feels like he can't get to the next level and he doesn't know why. And then all of a sudden we go back to this memory, his mind took us there, I didn't, and all of a sudden he has this belief that formed that you know, I'm not good enough to be able to do it. You know, I'm an idiot, I won't learn anything, I'm just not good enough to be able to figure it out, and that was what was holding him back. He was intelligent, he was uh capable, and he did get to the next level of where he wanted to be. And that's something I want everybody to know, and why I'm so grateful that you have the show, Paula, because someone here, their lives could be changed today because you have created the space for this. So thank you. So yeah, you and Brittany. So it's important for people to know that everybody that came to me that had an impossible goal, they accomplished it. They did what they thought was impossible, whether they doubled their income, they lost half their body weight, they broke a 50-year smoking habit, they saved their marriage, they reconnected with kids, that whatever it was, they did it. It was amazing, right? And what I'm here to say is that the potential is inside of them the whole time. Often we're not giving you anything new, we're just removing the parking brake that's been set inside of you that you didn't know was there.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

That's that's the really that parking brake had to come off, let loose, you got it. That was some great stories, too. Really great stories. I love that, especially for a 91-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yeah, yeah, that was something awesome.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

And I think we were gonna ask about sharing a success story. So you did

Power Questions Versus Lousy Questions

SPEAKER_01 21:02

that. And for the listeners, what's one simple shift um they can make today to reduce stress or to gain that confidence that they they need?

SPEAKER_00 21:12

That's a good question. Speaking of questions, there's two types of questions. I call them power questions and lousy questions. Okay. So ultimately, the quality of your life is being determined daily by the quality of your beliefs and the quality of the questions that you walk around asking yourself all day long. So I started noticing that when I heard that, when I learned that, I heard, well, I thought, well, what kind of questions am I asking myself? Besides, what do I have to do next? How am I gonna get this done? And what's for dinner? Right? What are we gonna eat tonight? Like dinner is a mystery every single day.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

It has to be on there, right? What are we eating tonight?

SPEAKER_00 21:52

That's right. So, so uh I started noticing that most of us are asking. Lousy questions and we don't even know it. Lousy questions come from fear, right? What if this doesn't work out? What if it goes wrong? What if I don't know what to do? Whose fault is this? How come things never go right for me? Right? Why is life so unfair? Why this? Why me? Why now? When you ask those questions, it it has an assumption that something's wrong, you're not enough, or life isn't fair, right? And really, it's none of that. Experiences happen and then we interpret what it means. The experiences often can be neutral. I mean, sometimes obviously evil happens, right? And there is there's real pain in the world. But we can still take that pain and turn it into purpose. We can take our messes and turn it into our messages. You know, God will help us use any situation in a good way. So, you know, you can't know what a daytime is without nighttime, right? How do you know a sunny day from a rainy day? You gotta have both, I guess. So um either way, what I've learned is that a situation happens and then we interpret it. We tell ourselves what we think this means. And the way we ask questions influences what we focus on. So if we ask ourselves, how come things never work out for me, is that true that things never work out for you? Did you wake up today? Because some people didn't. Did you dress yourself? Because some people didn't, right? Do you have a brain that you're thinking with right now? Because some people have lost that, right? And so so a lot of things have worked out for us, but we get caught up in anger, hurt, self-pity, resentment, you know, all the emotions. And so these questions cause us to focus on what we don't want. And our brain works like a GPS. So what you focus on, it moves towards. So if I told, would you ever tell your GPS Paula, don't take me to the post office?

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

No, because you'll hear it saying getting directions to the post office.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

But that's what we do. You know, we get up and we say what we don't want. I don't want this, I don't want this, I don't want this, right? I don't want to keep eating those cookies, right? I'm tired of never having enough money. And then we're always focusing on what we don't have. And so then it causes us to keep moving in that direction. So what you do instead is you ask power questions. Power questions come from faith and hope and strength. So power questions would be like, well, what's the outcome I do want? How do I want this to turn out? What do I want to have happen? Or how do I want to feel right now? And what's one way I could feel that way that would leave me feeling proud of myself afterwards instead of guilty?

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Right?

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Who can I lean on for support? What resources are available to me? Right? What can I learn from this frustrating situation? How can I be more patient or loving or playful or creative or compassionate? And my favorite, how can I make this more fun? Right? Because sometimes things aren't fun. Doing the dishes, doing the laundry, doing taxes, that's not fun. But can we make it fun? Can we put music in the background we used to listen to in high school? Right? Can we light a scented candle? Right? Can we set up things so that we can bring the joy and bring the glory? Right. So we can ask questions that help us to focus our mind on what we want so that we can get there. And so I encourage you if you want to do something today that helps you feel better, upgrade the quality of the questions you're asking yourself.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

That's really good. Because you know, uh back in the day, people always said when you're in meetings or whatever, there's no such thing as a stupid question, but we learned today there's a such thing as a lousy question. There's no such thing as a stupid question, but there are some lousy questions, guys.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

There's some, there are some lousy questions, right? So, you know, that's really funny. I remember I had a business mentor that was I was helping their company, and he was helping the company president was helping me. And he said, you know, one of the things about leadership is that when people come to you, make sure that they bring solutions. They're not just complaining, you know. So you should always be focused on bringing a solution, or otherwise you're just part of the problem you're complaining about. I thought, wow, that's pretty heavy. So there are some lousy questions. We want to shift them into useful questions, right? Get away from words like positive and negative and think more in terms of useful and unuseful. Is this question useful? Now, sometimes asking a question like, why does this keep happening? Where's the breakdown here? That's not being negative. It's not being unuseful, it's not a lousy question. It's coming from a personality that is trying to solve problems. So there are some distinctions here, right? And so we want to make sure that we're not just talking always, you know, in general terms. Uh, you know, there's solution finders and there's problem solvers. There's also dreamers who are never gonna get anything done, and there's pessimists who are always complaining, but they're not helping either. Right. So we we want to be a problem solver and a solution finder. And usually we marry our opposite. So if you're one, your husband's the other, right? And but that's how we balance each other. And so, yeah, instead of thinking they're out to drive me insane, just they know they're actually balancing me, how could I look at this to my advantage? That's a power question.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Oh, wow. See, that's some good information.

You’re Already Enough And Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 27:34

And if our listeners remember only one thing from today's conversation, what would you want it to be?

SPEAKER_00 27:41

That you're already enough. You don't have anything to prove, you're already good. And if you're not feeling that way, then you know where to look now. You got to take a look within. You gotta find those beliefs that are causing you to feel that way, and then ask yourself, where'd that come from? Right? Did I come up with that? Did I absorb that from someone else? Sometimes our beliefs aren't ours, they're somebody else's. And it's like finding a library book. Sometimes it's time to just return it because it was never yours to begin with.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Mm. That's good. That is really good. So tell the listeners how they can get your book, your information, and how they can follow you.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

So I'm on social media. You can follow me, that follow me that way. And then, of course, uh my website is indiehypnosis.com. So in D Ypnosis.com. Hypnosis is not the work of the devil or anything like that. It's just a written natural way uh God gave us to be able to find those beliefs quickly. So it's not like the movies that we see and any of that stuff. You know, that's just Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

So that don't double something out here.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

No, no, no. That's right. That's right. This comes from love. So uh yeah, so that's a place if you want to reach out or check out the programs, and my books are on Amazon.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

That's awesome. Okay, and we're gonna put that on our social media sites and we'll tag you as well.

unknown 29:02

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Well, thank you for taking time out your busy schedule to chat with us today. We really enjoyed the conversation. And I know the chit chairs have gotten some very good nuggets from all of the information you share with us today.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Thank you. Yeah, I really hope they share this and and everybody subscribes and give you five stars because it takes a lot of work to put this together and you're doing really good in the world. So everybody go ahead and share it out and uh give those five stars. It's important. Paula, thanks for what you do, and thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

You are welcome. Thanks again. So, guys, the quote of the week is by Maya Angelo. Do the best you can until you know better. Then, when you know better, do better. Tune in next week for another exciting episode of Conference and Chat.