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Why Books in Bedrooms Matter More Than You Think!

• Olivia Wahl • Season 2 • Episode 15

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Join bestselling author and nationally syndicated advice columnist Amy Dickinson as she shares her powerful "Put a Book on Every Bed" Christmas tradition that's transforming family literacy across America. In this inspiring conversation, Amy reveals how a simple wrapped book can revolutionize student engagement, student motivation, and create lasting home-school connections.

Discover evidence-based education strategies that teachers, parents, and homeschoolers can implement immediately to boost student participation and foster a love of reading. Amy's journey from a struggling late reader to NYT bestselling author offers hope and practical teaching tips for supporting difficult students and inspiring students of all backgrounds.

This episode is perfect for empowered educators seeking innovative teaching approaches, parents wanting to strengthen family partnerships, and anyone committed to education transformation. Learn how Amy's advocacy for fine-free libraries removes barriers to student success and creates more inclusive classrooms.

Whether you're dealing with low engagement, seeking professional development ideas, or looking for ways to support the whole child, this conversation provides actionable strategies for thriving students and inspired teaching.

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction to Amy Dickinson
1:54 Inspiring Educators: Mrs. Jones Story
4:15 The Power of Reading Aloud to Older Children
5:54 Put a Book on Every Bed Christmas Tradition
9:01 Growing Up with a Reader: Basketball Game Story
11:22 Library Advocacy and Book Bundles During COVID
12:07 Giving Books to Families in Need
14:19 Selecting Age-Appropriate Books
17:43 Visiting Elder Communities and Assisted Living
18:30 Working with Schools and Organizations
22:44 Connecting with Young Readers and Authors
26:36 Fine-Free Libraries: Removing Barriers to Literacy
29:55 Call to Action: Supporting the Book on Every Bed Movement

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When coaches, teachers, administrators, and families work hand in hand, it fosters a school atmosphere where everyone is inspired and every student is fully engaged in their learning journey.

Schoolutions – S2 E15: Put a Book on Every Bed with "Ask Amy" Advice Columnist, Amy Dickinson

 

[00:00:00] Olivia: Welcome to Schoolutions, where listening will leave you inspired by solutions to issues you or others you know may be struggling with in the public education system today. I am Olivia Wahl, and I am excited to welcome my guest today, best-selling author, nationally syndicated advice columnist, and NPR contributor, Amy Dickinson.

[00:00:24] Olivia: Amy writes the syndicated advice column, Ask Amy, which is carried in over 150 newspapers and read by an estimated 22 million readers daily. Amy is also the author of the New York Times bestselling memoir, The Mighty Queens of Freeville, a Story of Surprising Second Chances. It's a chronicle of her experiences and misadventures as a single mother to her daughter, Emily.

[00:00:48] Olivia: Her second memoir, Strangers Tend to Tell Me Things: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Coming Home, was published in March of 2017. Dickinson is known not only for her wisdom, but her wit. Since 2006, she has been a featured panelist on National Public Radio's comedy quiz show Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me!. She is also a sought-after speaker, delivering her inspiring and comic stories of her adventures and misadventures to groups around the country.

[00:01:16] Olivia: After living in New York, London, Washington, D. C., and Chicago, she moved back to her hometown, married a local contractor she had known since childhood, and is now mother to five daughters. I had the gift of sitting next to Amy at an event for one of our beloved local literacy partners, Brigid Hubberman's Children's Reading Connection. Over the evening, Amy's passion beamed from her as a literacy champion. Amy, welcome. I'm happy to have you. 

[00:01:44] Amy: Thank you so much, Olivia. Thank you. 

[00:01:46] Olivia: I ask every guest at the beginning of an interview who an inspiring educator was for them in their life. Would you share that with listeners?

[00:01:54] Amy: I would love to share that. Whenever somebody mentions a teacher, I love it when like you're on social media and people start calling out their favorite teachers. I just love reading teacher stories. My favorite teacher was Mrs. Jones. I was in second grade at the Freeville School, and I was actually a late reader. I'm the youngest in my family, and I don't know, reading is developmental to some extent.

[00:02:21] Amy: I was late, but like a lot of people, once I started, I just was on fire. And I've always been a little show off. And in second grade, Mrs. Jones, obviously recognizing my nascent talent, she recognized me as a really good reader and she asked me to read aloud to the class. And unlike a lot of children, that's their nightmare.

[00:02:50] Amy: I mean, my husband said I would pee my pants if somebody called on me, but she was so smart, right? She chose a kid who was always raising her hand, and I still remember to this day standing up and reading aloud to the class. And yeah, I mean, incredibly influential. You know, those events that adults don't even think about are so incredibly important.

[00:03:16] Amy: Incredibly, incredibly important. I'm very lucky that I got to thank Mrs. Jones as an adult for the impact she had on my life. In addition to that moment, she was just a fantastic teacher. I 

[00:03:29] Olivia: I still, I can close my eyes and picture my sixth-grade teacher at Booth School elementary in Elmira, New York. And it's crazy full circle.

[00:03:37] Olivia: Now I'm friends with her on Facebook so she can see my growing family. But I remember her reading Number of the Stars to us, and I can picture her in the front of the room, and she read it aloud, which a lot of folks in sixth grade dismiss reading aloud to children, but I remember every chapter and being completely enveloped by the story.

[00:04:01] Olivia: And I think that idea of reading aloud to our older children is still invaluable. And it doesn't matter whether they can navigate the text by themselves. It's that connection and the talking about the characters that really is everything. 

[00:04:15] Amy: So, Olivia, my grandchildren are now 13 and 11 and they spend a portion of the summer with me. And we had this golden experience several years ago of me reading Charlotte's Web to them chapter by chapter every night. It was really a wonderful experience. And so last summer, the summer before I had found an audio version of it and we were having our chill time and I said: Oh, let's listen to this it's beautiful.

[00:04:48] Amy: And one child promptly fell asleep. And the other basically said to me: Um, love Charlotte's Web. I always will, but I would rather that you read it to us than that.  We listened to - yeah, it was so sweet. And it just reminded me really is all about connection.

[00:05:09] Olivia: It is indeed. Every episode I call to action around an issue that I see happening, not just in public education, but overall, with homeschool connections as well.

[00:05:20] Olivia: And something that I think is a critical piece that you speak to is around putting a book on every bed this holiday season, but in general over the year. And it reminds me, our kids don't have access always to books as much as we'd love for them to. And in this holiday season, it's also really, really important that families spend time reading together. So, this season, I know, Amy, you advocate for putting a book on every bed. Why do you ask readers to do this every year at Christmas time? 

[00:05:54] Amy: Well, speaking of Brigid Hubberman, um, how to describe what she did to me. I was on The Commons. I think I have one of my grandchildren with me, little toddler, and it was like Apple Fest or some super fun, crowded thing down in Ithaca.

[00:06:10] Amy: I would call it a gentle tackle from Brigid. And she was like, we have to know each other. We have to get together. We have to blah, blah, blah. And bless her, you know, she followed through, I did too. And once I connected with Brigid, she inspired me. I chose my cause. I chose my cause. She actually suggested this book on every bed idea and to give her full credit.

[00:06:39] Amy: She was inspired by reading a story about David McCullough, the wonderful historian who actually passed away in August. She had read this story that every Christmas morning, he and his three brothers woke up to a wrapped book on their beds. And wasn't this amazing? So, I reached out to him. And I sort of can't believe it.

[00:07:06] Amy: I was very, very, very lucky to connect with him via email. And I just humbly asked him very quickly and very easily. I know this story about you. I would like to publish this in my column as a way to inspire other families. And he said, absolutely. He said, I have only one request. He said, the book is not left there by parents.

[00:07:32] Amy: It's left there by Santa. And I feel really strongly that you need to emphasize that. I said, no problem. So, I worked up a column and it's become an annual tradition for me to step away from my world of problems, my world of woe, it's the one day I asked my readers to do something. It's a very simple ask.

[00:07:56] Amy: It's a call to action. And I always publish it on my mother's birthday. I grew up on a crumbling dairy farm in Freeville. And our lives fell apart as they do. And we didn't have much, I would say, materially. We were struggling, but my mother was this insane reader. She always had a book. And the story I share in this year's column in her honor, I share this little anecdote that I was a cheerleader in high school, and a friend of mine, he was a basketball player, his mother was going to be at the game, we were really best friends and he wanted our mothers to meet.

[00:08:44] Amy: And he said, how can my mother find your mother? And I spontaneously said, she's the one who will be reading during the game and looking up during the cheers. And you know what? I was joking, but that's exactly what happened. 

[00:09:00] Olivia: That's unbelievable. 

[00:09:01] Amy: My mother was reading Anna Karenina at a basketball game. So, I'm a huge fan of libraries and my mother always took us to the library. The library is such an important resource for families like ours was. And we lived at the library. We went once a week, and it's so funny, Olivia, because I was recently back at the library. I never really made these connections about my own literacy journey and my work as a writer. I don't know why. I never did that before.

[00:09:38] Amy: I looked at this series of books that I was obsessed with. These Scholastic books for young readers, they were biographies of famous people. I would take them out and read them over and over and over. My favorite ones were Eleanor Roosevelt, Harriet Tubman, Althea Gibson. And I realized that my interest was really toward real-life stories about people who had encountered challenges.

[00:10:12] Amy: And all women. I was so drawn to those books, I realized... Oh, that's what I've done with my own books. I've written my own little scholastic version of my own life. 

[00:10:24] Olivia: And I also have to speak to public libraries and the space that they serve. For so many families, even over COVID, Amy, they were producing book bundles. This blew my mind. Our local library, Tompkins County Public Library, you could put in the interests and age of your own child, and they would create a gorgeous book bundle set in a paper bag and you would pick it up. And I was shocked that when the book bundle arrived at our house, my younger son, Henry, had not previously read any of the books.

[00:10:59] Amy: Oh, wow. 

[00:11:00] Olivia: That was... It was amazing and he went through all of them in a week, but I think a lot of folks don't realize the different capacities that libraries serve and really meeting the needs and tailoring book selections to children, even during COVID. It was nuts to me. 

[00:11:22] Amy: One thing about books is that they allow you to time travel. And this is one reason I think it's so important for family members to share the books that they loved with young people. And let me just make a pitch for Buffalo Street Books. I was there yesterday doing my holiday shopping. Every single person on my list gets a book. And I try to choose books that I think they will read and enjoy.

[00:11:45] Olivia: Yeah. 

[00:11:45] Amy: I want them to have a book. I want them to know that the book came from me. In fact, our church has adopted a couple of families from the Freeville School who need help this year with gifts. And they have fairly detailed lists of what the children want and what they need. And that's great. They will get everything on their list.

[00:12:07] Olivia: Yes. 

[00:12:07] Amy:  But when I was helping with this effort and I said, look, I'm going to donate a book for each child, even though none of them asked for books, can I say. There's a really alarming statistic about the percentage of children who live in poverty who don't have any books in the home. It's something like 60%.

[00:12:31] Amy: So, of course they didn't ask for books. I wouldn't expect them to, but guess what? They're getting books. And with each book, they're going to get a little note from me, just encouraging them to enjoy the book. And so, look, maybe they'll open it. I mean, I know the board book for the baby that will get looked at.

[00:12:51] Amy: I know the picture book will get looked at. Lisa at Buffalo Street books, Lisa Swayze helped me. I gave her a list and I was like, boom, let's go. And it was like one of those mad dashes with a shopping cart. She ran around the store. I ran around the store and we actually took great care to try to match these children with books that we thought they should read. 

[00:13:16] Olivia: Well, there are gorgeous lists that do come out and I follow those. I have parents reach out to me all the time. A mom texted me last week and said, my daughter has really fallen in love with books in verse and I need more. And there were 58 books in verse that I was able to send her away.

[00:13:35] Amy: Wonderful.

[00:13:35] Olivia: And I also so value traditions and something that I do every year around the holidays, we have a set of books that we were read to as little girls and I made sure to get them used and I opened the cover of one of my favorite Richard Scarry's Christmas books and it blew my mind when it came, it had a dedication with a Christmas tree and it was from Aunt Carol and the year was 1978.

[00:14:02] Olivia: And we cherish the smell of the old books, everything about it, but it's the tradition of cozying up and reading together that is invaluable. I know every year you select different titles or highlight different titles. How do you pick books for the different age groups? 

[00:14:19] Amy: Well, Olivia, in full candor, last year or the year before, during the pandemic, I found three or four small independent bookstores.

[00:14:31] Amy: One was one of the few black-owned bookstores in the country. It had recently opened, and then there was one in Pittsburgh. And I reached out and asked the booksellers to give me recommendations for various ages. This year, I went straight to Lisa Swayze. She, she was like, boom, here's my list. And I just want to also emphasize that talking about libraries and books and reading together can I just say how important it is to continue the literacy habits throughout life and especially including elders.

[00:15:13] Amy: I mean, libraries are such an incredible resource for elders. My mother's been gone now for around 12 years and the last day of her life, I was reading aloud to her. And it's funny, I wrote about this in my book and my sister Rachel was with me and I was like, quick, get a book, get a book. She ran home. And she said, I freaked out.

[00:15:38] Amy: I didn't know what to do. I just grabbed the first book I could. And she came back with Passage to India, which is a wonderful book. Wonderful, wonderful. And I started to read it aloud. And, uh, you know, it was a day like today, snowy and cold and cozy. And I started to read this book aloud and I did what I sometimes do.

[00:16:00] Amy: I tried to read it in a bit of an accent. It's so obnoxious, but I couldn't help it. So, there we are in India and I'm doing this horrible accent. And my sister was like, that sounds sort of Irish. Can you like modify? But anyway, I mean, a treasured, treasured memory. Um, and it actually, the first two pages of that book are incredibly beautiful.

[00:16:27] Amy: So, it ended up being an amazing choice for my sister to make. Also, I have to say my column is shared in many, many, many, many elder communities, nursing homes, assisted living. I, in fact, I got a note from a chaplain of an assisted living place outside of Chicago. It came into the Ask Amy mailbox and she said, I just have to tell you every Thursday morning I visit with these people and we share your column and we really feel like we can hear your voice and we laugh and we talk about when you get it wrong, when you get it right.

[00:17:08] Amy: And we just want to thank you. Okay. I mean, look, any note like that is such a relief. Of course, I got right back to her and I said, well, this Thursday, I'm going to be thinking about you because this Thursday's column is a doozy, you know, and we connected like that. And she responded and she said, oh my God, they're going to freak out when they know that you wrote to me.

[00:17:32] Amy: And I said to her, not only am I writing to you and responding and so happy, I am going to come visit. 

[00:17:42] Olivia: Oh, that's wonderful. 

[00:17:43] Amy: Yeah, so we take Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me!! in Chicago. And this place is in one of the suburbs. And we take the show on Thursday nights. And so I'm just going to make my way out to Park Ridge, Illinois. And hang with these people while we read together. 

[00:18:04] Olivia: That's amazing. Oh, it's going to be fabulous. So, I want to talk a little bit more about putting a book on every bed. And when you say that, I know not every family has the ability to do that. So how have you worked with schools and outside organizations to ensure that as many children have the gift of waking up to that wrapped book at the edge of their bed on the holidays?

[00:18:30] Amy: Well, I have really enjoyed this when teachers have contacted me and said, I have photocopied your column and I'm sending it home in every backpack. Schools create their own little book drives. Brigid, God bless her, doing that far and wide in the Ithaca area. And she and I had a book event at my alma mater, the little Freeville School.

[00:18:57] Amy: And it was so incredible. All the kids were there in the gym and it was just so crazy. Okay. So, Olivia, so we were there with John Simon and Cal Walker and they're so amazing and they sang and everybody danced and wiggled and it was really, really fun. And then it was my turn. I was all dressed up like an important person that was introduced as this famous author.

[00:19:21] Amy: Right? And I went up and I said, well, I have a secret to tell you. And they were like, what? And I said, I went to this school! And they were like, you are kidding us. Oh my God. They freaked out. They freaked out. And every child got, I think, four books to take home as well as all the teachers and the staff.

[00:19:48] Amy: And then I went for a follow up. I think it was Memorial Day. It was at our little ceremony in Dryden, the little flag raising. And I was of course, hanging out with the Brownies and the Girl Scouts, cause I'm obsessed. And this little eight-year-old Girl Scout starts nudging her friends and she's like, that's Amy, that's Amy.

[00:20:10] Olivia: Oh my gosh. 

[00:20:10] Amy: And it was so incredible, right? And I realized I'm friends with lots of children's authors, frankly, through this work. I've met some amazing children's authors and they always talk about doing school events. And oh my God, once I did one, I was like, I never want to make a speech to grownups again, ever in my life.

[00:20:32] Amy: I just want to visit schools and excite kids about the power of storytelling. One of the things I said to these children was that I'm working on a children's book. And it's based on a true story. And I told them the story about we had a cat when I was a kid, and the cat ran away, and we thought it was lost forever.

[00:20:55] Amy: And the cat ended up living at the church in Freeville, which is right next to the school. And I was a counselor during the summer program in Freeville, and the children were all acting mysterious. They kept sort of dashing in and out of the school. They had something going on, and I was like, okay, what's happening?

[00:21:17] Amy: I think I was 16. They were like, we have a pet. And I said, oh, no. What? It was our cat. 

[00:21:28] Olivia: That is unbelievable. 

[00:21:29] Amy: These children had named the cat Tuna. Because it loved tuna. 

[00:21:37] Olivia: Yes. 

[00:21:37] Amy: And they had been feeding this cat all summer. 

[00:21:43] Olivia: Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. 

[00:21:46] Amy: I told the kids this story. And they were so entranced. So, I told them that I would work on that story and that I would come back and share that with them when I was done. And they were very excited about it. 

[00:22:01] Olivia: When I talk to my own boys about their authors, it's fascinating to me that they'll refer to their authors on a first-name basis, like they know them. And I really, I couldn't ask for anything more. I am working at a middle school right now. One of the teachers decided that she was going to have her students write letters to the author as a character from his book, from that character's perspective.

[00:22:28] Olivia: And she's like, do you think he'll really respond? I said, well, what do you have to lose? Give it a go. He responded within a day. He's offering the students feedback along their journey of the letter writing. There's such connection that can happen when it comes to reading and writerly lives.  

[00:22:44] Amy: Let me just say, Olivia, I'm sure there are grouchy writers out there that don't want to hear from readers, but I was in a bookstore and a person approached me and said, oh, I hope it's okay, but could I ask you to sign my book and I was like, darling, any writer I know would sleep with you in order to sign your book.

[00:23:13] Amy: Are you kidding me? Like, we love that. You know, it's an incredibly lovely connection, of course, anybody who's writing books for children, that's their mission. But it's also, can I just say from another perspective that of being a successful writer, you have got to get to know your fans. You have to. 

[00:23:37] Olivia: Yes.

[00:23:38] Amy: Okay. Can I tell a fan story? 

[00:23:40] Olivia: Please. 

[00:23:41] Amy: This is not a fan story about me. Okay, so, I went on social media. I went on Twitter recently. Because I also watch a lot of television, I used to work in television, I'm very involved in media. So, I went on Twitter and I said, oh, I just watched Three Pines. What a wonderful series.

[00:24:01] Amy: Like a lot of the Canadian-based shows that I like, it has not too much violence, but, you know, the acting is superb and the setting is always amazing. I just said that I started getting flooded with messages and responses from frankly, all women. And they were like, I just tried to watch the pilot and it didn't look anything like Louise Penny's novels.

[00:24:29] Amy: And nobody was like I pictured them. And I said, oh, I didn't even know these were based on books. And then they start passive-aggressively, like, how could you watch something without reading the book? And I said, I do it every day. You know, I think sometimes when people love a series and love a writer and love the story that they're so engaged with, they're like offended to see anybody else's vision. And it just reminded me of how attached people get to their books. 

[00:25:05] Olivia: I think the beautiful thing that happens when we read is we do create a movie in our mind of what the characters look like or actors that we would see in those parts. And when it's a mismatch in our mind, it's like, wait a second here. But I think also the conversations we can have around books, that's another way of connecting too. 

[00:25:26] Amy: Well, and let me just add, Olivia, that in terms of media literacy, there are so many opportunities when something like that happens to emphasize that filmmakers are artists and they make choices. Look at all the versions of Pride and Prejudice.

[00:25:43] Amy: I know there are people who are like, so... Only Colin Firth can play Mr. Darcy, you know, people are so attached to their version. My favorite version is the 2005 Joe Wright version with Keira Knightley, which I think is almost a retelling. It's so inventive. It's so beautiful. It's so visually arresting the music. And so, it is definitely not a word-for-word faithful retelling of Pride and Prejudice, but it's like a beautiful version. Yeah. 

[00:26:18] Olivia: Yeah. I remember at that Children's Reading Connection event that Brigid approached you, she put her hand on your shoulder and she was sharing with our table around you fiercely advocating to have our public libraries be fine-free.

[00:26:33] Olivia: Is that a correct memory that I have?

[00:26:36] Amy: That is. And I have to say I'm not that useful in this world, but I really can take credit for getting people really angry about library fines. And here's the story there, Olivia. One of my daughters was an adolescent. She had a school project. We were downtown. So, I'm like, let's pop into the library.

[00:27:01] Amy: And she was very hesitant. And she absolutely did not want to go into the library. And I couldn't figure out what that was about. And what she revealed later was that there were overdue books from years before. And she had been made aware that she owed money and it was terrible. was a growing movement against fines and that right around this time, New York City public libraries declared that they would not fine people.

[00:27:31] Amy: And so, I started thinking about fines and the impact of fines on children, frankly, but also on people like my family who were dealing with some poverty. And I googled it and I realized that there was a growing movement against fines. And right around this time, NYC Public Libraries declared that they would not fine people. Okay, I can't tell this without thinking of that Seinfeld episode, okay, where there's an overdue book and the, you know, the book cop, right? So, I then went to our library in Dryden, the Southworth Library, wonderful, beautiful library. And it was this time of year, right before Christmas. And I spoke with Diane, the librarian, about fines.

[00:28:23] Amy: She shared my point of view about how they tend to obstruct access and literacy. So, I said, give me a list of every kid that owes and she did, and I paid them. I paid all the fines and she sent out a letter and was like due to an anonymous donation, come on back. We're happy to have you. And then that following year they were able to do away with fines altogether and a lot of us went back to the Netflix model back in the day when you'd get a DVD when you returned it you could get another one, you know, so I just think it sets up a healthier relationship with books and literacy.

[00:29:08] Amy: If you think of going to the library as a regular, fluid thing, where if you forget to return a book on time or whenever, you can still pick out a different book. And I'm thrilled, I don't know, I have to put that on my resume. I really love that. 

[00:29:27] Olivia: I do too. That stuck out to me as a memory of that night with you because it speaks to. What we really want our libraries to be for our children, places that are safe and cozy and that you can return time and time again, and they're your friends in a way throughout life. So that, that struck me about you. I know that you spoke to your call to action to make sure that we put a book on every bed. What else can we do as listeners to support this endeavor? 

[00:29:55] Amy: Well, let me also add that David McCullough said to me, in addition to, it has to come from Santa, his next admonition to me was it's the first thing the child sees on Christmas morning or whatever holiday you're celebrating. And they see this wrapped gift, they are still in bed, they unwrap it, they're excited, and the next thing that happens is the most important part.

[00:30:21] Amy: The adult needs to sit with them and look at the book together. And read the book together or start to read the book together and really start to absorb that book together. Because you know what the rest of the day is bananas. And I think it's actually a really positive calming way to start a day that can be cuckoo crazy. I mean, I love that he made me add that that's so important. 

[00:30:55] Olivia: Amy, I can't thank you enough for being a guest and I'm going to cross my fingers and toes that we have as many folks as possible, put a book on every bed across the world, and I know in 2019, you received the Horatio Alger Award. I want to quote from part of that dedication to you to wrap our episode:

[00:31:15] Olivia: Ms. Dickinson is an excellent role model for youth who were dealt a difficult, unexpected hand in life. Her ability to redirect hardship into hard work is inspirational, and her story is one I hope our scholars will take to heart as they navigate life's challenges. And you inspire so many out there with your writing and your wit and humor, and I'm just grateful to have had you as a guest.

[00:31:41] Olivia: Thank you, Amy. 

[00:31:43] Amy: Thank you, Olivia. Let's talk again, okay?

[00:31:45] Olivia: Absolutely. Take care. Schoolutions is a podcast created, produced, and edited by me, Olivia Wahl. Special thanks to my guest, Amy Dickinson. Thanks to my older son Benjamin, who created the music that's playing in the background. If you like Schoolutions, please share, rate, review, and follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook @schoolutionspodcast. If you want to reach out, leave me a SpeakPipe voice memo at my website: www.oliviawahl.com/podcast or via email @schoolutionspodcast@gmail.com. Don't forget to talk about us nicely on social media, and please keep listening. Let's continue finding inspiration together.

 

 


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