The Bougie Relocation Blueprint: Building a Global Life Abroad With Sable Ryan

The Outdoor Adventure Series welcomes Sable Ryan, relocation and lifestyle strategist and founder of Your Elevated Experiences. Sable shares her inspiring story of embracing bold lifestyle transitions—how a pivotal career shift led her to leave behind life in the U.S. and move to Panama. With a mission to help Black women over 40 stop dreaming about freedom and start living it, she discusses her signature “bougie relocation blueprint,” her firsthand experience as an expat, and the importance of building community and living intentionally abroad.

Together, Howard and Sable explore the realities of relocating later in life, overcoming obstacles like ageism and fear, and the value of taking decisive action. Listeners will also learn about the Global Bougie BFFs Collective, how to plan for a life of ease and adventure outside the U.S.

DISCUSSION

1. Background and Major Life Transition

2. Professional and Personal Readiness for Relocation

3. Deciding and Preparing to Move to Panama

4. Arrival and Integration into Panama

5. Comparing Panama with Other Options

6. Lessons Learned from Relocation

7. Evolution of Mindset and Readiness Over the Years

8. Creating a Business to Support Other Relocators

9. Program Services, Offerings, and the Bougie BFFs Collective

10. Navigating Work and Lifestyle as an Expat

11. Showcasing the Bougie Expats Podcast and Further Resources

LEARN MORE

To learn more about Sable and her work, visit her website at  https://www.yourelevatedexperiences.com/ and LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/sableryan/

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SPEAKER_01 0:05

Hello everyone, this is Howard Fox, and welcome back for another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series, the podcast that celebrates individuals and families, businesses, and organizations that seek out and promote the exploration, stewardship, conservation, access, and enjoyment of the outdoors. Sable Ryan is our guest today. Stable is a relocation and lifestyle strategist, complete your elevated experiences, where she guides her clients, especially black women over 40, through bold lifestyle transitions using her signature, and I love this word, Fuji Relocation Blueprint. Her mission is very clear to help women stop screaming about freedom and start living it globally and in community. Sable, good to see you again. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:00

I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited to talk about being outside, especially when it's so cold here. I'm in Maryland today.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

I I agree with that. We have to give our listeners just a little bit of context. Sable and I have known each other for many years. And last year, as I was watching or reading her post on Facebook and LinkedIn, she was suddenly living in another country other than you know on the east coast of the U.S. where I where she's actually sitting right now, freezing her little butt off. I'm I'm in Las Vegas, so I'm I'm gonna be warm today. It's gonna be 60 today.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

So oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

I know you would love everybody loves that. I just tell them, hey, look, between July and September, feel free to give me grief when it's 120 degrees out there. But so for our listeners, we Sable and I have known each other. We were in a mastermind together, and this idea, and we've explored it before on the podcast, if is the folks who are I call them digital nomads or folks call them digital nomads, but I've never really had a good friend of mine who's just like picked up and left. And so, Sable, uh, I would love to catch us up. What you what have you been up to? And tell us a little bit about your background, and then we'll just kind of hear the story of where you ended up.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Okay. Yeah, so this is one year later into this uh when my whole world turned upside down. I would say, I don't, I wouldn't even say upside down, but just kind of how one decision, one person's decision, and my one decision changed my life. So last year, this time, I probably was sitting there. Let's see, this is what what is this, January 30th? Last year, January 30th, I was sitting going, oh my gosh, what has just happened working for the federal government? I was one of the first people who they kind of asked to go on leave. And I had to ask myself, now what do you want to do? You're 62 years old. I didn't know if I had a job or couldn't have a job. It was very ambiguous, but I did know for sure I wanted to do something different. And for the last five years, well, for for the last couple of years, I had been talking about I am going to retire in Panama. I am going to retire in Panama. And so that was kind of like the dream. But like most people, I was talking about it, but doing nothing about it. I had not been to the country, I had not researched the country, I just knew it was a country and somebody there, there were people living there who spoke Spanish, and I wanted to live there when I retired. And so that was pretty much all I knew.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Okay. So a couple questions. I I get the major upheaval a year ago. I mean, it's worth and a lot of people are suddenly faced with these decisions, like, what am I going to do now? Had you so you had always wanted to live in Panama before this event last year, or because or how did Panama get on your radar?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

So it was always part of the retirement plan. So that was the retirement plan.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

That so I always say that I wanted to retire with flip-flops, sister locks, and teen and tank tops. That was the retirement, right? Like I just wanted to totally um just have a retirement of freedom. And for so people were saying, like, what are sister locks? It's a hairstyle that black women wear, where we don't have to do anything to our hair that most of us don't feel comfortable wearing. We're in corporate world. So I knew that this was gonna be freedom. This was gonna mean freedom for me. And so the fact that I was just gonna look for this life of ease, and I knew Panama was gonna be one of the places that could do that for me.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

All right, very interesting, and thank you for educating me. I was trying to figure out what are sister locks and okay. I have no hair and I'm a you know, aging white guy, okay?

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Yeah, so you're not quite a candidate just yet.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

I've got a candidate just yet, but I can live vicariously through you. I can do that. Uh, because that's why you're here, because I want to hear how you did it. So you've got the background experience. Now you were in HR, so you're used to navigating uncertainty and change almost 365 days a year, just given that role.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Absolutely. Absolutely. You never know what's going to be a day of fire, you know, where you need your fire extinguisher to put out some fires. There's always a fire. But I also had lived in several countries before and worked in a lot of different countries. And I've also had help other companies when I had my own HR firm when I lived in Nigeria. I had clients where I would help them relocate their staff from one country to the next and get them settled in and bringing staff from various countries. So relocating people and me relocating was something that was already in me and something I was already doing.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Okay. So you you actually had the the makings of the recipe. Yeah, yeah, you had all the ingredients. So that's good because I mean, some people go right to to YouTube, which is what I do. I want to learn something. I yeah, yeah, I do my Google search, and then I then I start looking at YouTube videos, and I figure out I can trust these folks, these folks no, not not in a not in my lifetime. All right. So you once this event happened, you found yourself uh retired from the government, how did you take your first step to say, okay, I'm gonna head to Panama, I'm gonna see what this is all about. Do I even want to be here? How did that happen?

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Do I so my thing was I'm looking at the job market, and this is early January, right? So this is before the major layoffs or the decimation of the federal government where so many federal workers were out. This was where I just looked and kept remembering all the open-to-work signs on people's LinkedIn profiles. I thought about how people were already talking about it's gonna take them 18 months before they can find um work. And I just thought, wow, at this age, over 60, at this age, do I really want to go out into that job market? Like, you know, I I'm very realistic. Ageism is alive and well, it does exist. And so when you're starting to show your experience and people are looking at those dates, they're wondering, you know, they also have this image of what a person who's over 60 looks like, how they're gonna work, what their attitude is. So I ask myself, do I really want to be involved in that? Do I really want to be on this place where I now am going to have to go into an organization, start proving my skills, proving my worth? Because also I'm not an entry-level employee, right? So, you know, into looking for those kind of roles that's gonna match your skills, your experience, your education. And I just thought, yeah, no, no, that's that's not the place I really want to go. And why not go live, you know, you're a retirement age. Why not retire now?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Why not retire now? So I knew I didn't want to fully retire, right? I love working, I absolutely love working, and so I just thought, why don't I go now and begin to figure out how you want to live?

unknown 9:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

How do you want to live?

SPEAKER_01 9:17

So when did when did you make the the once you started to answer those, get the answers to those questions for yourself? And I would imagine you're not just having a conversation with yourself, you're having a conversation with loved ones, best friend, best friends, BFFs, uh, a lot of people. How did you when did you buy that ticket to to Panama? What was it like to get that ticket? You're on the plane, now I'm here, now what do I do?

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah, and so for me, I I kept saying for months, like, oh, I feel a pulley, right? I feel like Panama is pulling me. And then I thought, I'm gonna go in March, I'm gonna check it out, and then I'll come back. But one thing happens after another. So, you know, and next thing I know, it was almost March, and I still had not actually done anything. And so finally I just thought, I'm gonna go pack up my whole house, I'm just gonna go. And so when I moved in July, it was because I felt like I had been taking too much time of planning and not doing too much time of talking about I was going to go, but I really we're already in July. I was talking about this since February, and still, you know, I just saw like time was going by. So finally, when I bought the ticket, I thought, you know, like, yeah, I'm moving to Panama, so what? Big deal, right? I don't know what the place is like, but I'll figure it out when I get there. Because I had never visited before. So going by the ticket meant nothing. Packing up my whole house, no big deal. It was when I rolled all my stuff down to the road, waiting for my Uber to take me to the airport. I was like, oh shoot, you're doing this.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Oh wow, this is happening. You are doing this. And it was at that moment that I realized, girl, you're about to go to some country that you have never been to before. I had like three or four suitcases, my golf club, because I love to golf. And I'm like, hmm, you don't know anybody? You uh never been there before. So that's when it finally kind of like just hit me that it was real.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

So when you got there, and we don't I don't think we have the time to to go into the details, but when did you begin to feel like this is home for me? And what were some lessons learned for you?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

For me, I the first month I spent in an Airbnb. Right. An Airbnb on a golf course, I had already kind of had that all picked out before I had landed.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

And so I thought, yeah, this is where I was going to stay. But after being there for a couple of weeks, I realized I wanted to live closer into the city. So I probably would say it felt like home more so in October. So I came in July, I stayed for a month, I um stayed in this place, and then I realized this is not where I want to live. I kind of started looking for a new place, came back to the states because remember, this was not originally my plan for life. So I had a lot of commitments still left that I had to attend to. Came back to the states for a month, and then when I came back in July, I moved into my own apartment. And moving in, you know, it was like, yeah, this is home, this is where I live. And building community was so easy. Um I built, um, there is a large expat community and a very large US expat community and in a very large black US community. So there are large expat communities, and so you can tap into so many things to do. If you never learn the language, you can just hang out with American people the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Right. Okay. Now, so you've got the community. I mean, you had your have golf clubs will travel, so you already have three new friends you can meet literally anytime you go on a golf course. I am curious, uh, and then we'll come back to the experience in Panama and really beginning to cur create this life. Were there other countries that were on your radar? I mean, you you've mentioned Panama, you're very specific about it, but uh because I mean in talking to the so many countries.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

Why Panama? I visited Costa Rica like around during the COVID, like 2020, and I thought, well, this might be a good place to retire. I just kind of like we kind of thought about it. I was like, yeah, this might be a good place to come and retire. This might be a good place for investment. But when I kind of started hearing things like about Panama in terms of you can use Medicare, you can use your vet benefits, you use the US dollar. I thought I just changed, right? I had already lived in Africa, I knew that wasn't what I wanted to do too far away. I I knew I wanted someplace with strong infrastructure, and that's what it really offered.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Okay, well, that's good. I I love that. I mean, it's uh it's certainly on the the list. I mean, uh, I have a list of retirement. Given on what's going on in this country, that list is you know, it's it's taped to the wall. So you you get there, you're starting to make the life. What were some of your lessons learned for you that you would then want to? Because I know you've you've got this entrepreneurial spirit. I mean, you and I were both in this mastermind. Uh, what was it, sales, authenticity, success mastermind? Lisa Sassovic there. I gave her a shout out. Uh uh. When you got there, and what were some of your lessons learned? And how are you now starting to impart those lessons for others who want to make the leap that you made?

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Lesson learned from me probably was mostly um stop talking about it, do it, right? Because all those months I spent, you know, like and you know, because it was a very chaotic time. So let me just kind of also say, you know, it was a very chaotic time. It was a lot of time of uncertainty. But what I find I did, and what I find even like a lot of our clients do is are doing is we're depending on, we're asking other people, like what we're trying to read what they want to do to decide what we should do, right? And not taking control of our situation, not taking control of our circumstances. And so that probably would be lesson learned. Like I knew in the beginning I wanted to do something different, and I should have started executing that plan. But instead, I was like, Oh, let me see what the government's gonna do. Oh, let me see what's happening out here. And I should have just said, this is what I wanted to do. What I hear a lot of people say is, well, what about my children? Because you know, I work with you know more mature people, so they're worried about their adult children, they're worried about their aging parents, um, they're worrying about their siblings, they're worried about their grandchildren, as opposed to worrying about yourself. Because people make decisions that are great for them. And most people don't consult us when they're making decisions that are good for their lives. But for some reason, and I would just say, as a black woman, we do a lot of making sure everybody else is okay, putting the oxygen mask on them first before we put it on ourselves. And so therefore, you know, we kind of delay our move. And that's what I did. I kind of was like, well, how is this gonna work out for how would this affect? And I should have just said, this is good for me, and I'm gone.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Okay. So you and I met back in was it 2017, 2018, one of those those years.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yeah, when I was living in Ethiopia.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Yeah, I I remember that. I mean, I'll I I remember having these conversations with you about coffee, but we don't have to go there. Does Panama have good coffee, by the way?

SPEAKER_00 17:55

They do, they do I may have to come and visit a spare bedroom.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

All right, or at least I'll rent a I'll rent a a condo in in your in your facility. But I'm all about the coffee. So had you begun to think about taking care of yourself back in 207, 2018, would you have moved sooner? Would you have made that leap sooner, or no, just not ready for it yet?

SPEAKER_00 18:25

My life, my what my life looked like in 2017, 2018 is totally different. What my life looked like in 2025, right? So 2017, I had um two girls who were off to college. I was in a 20-something-year marriage, and my mindset was totally different.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

My mindset, so even though I was living in Ethiopia, my family was living in the US, I was commuting every month. I was going back and forth every single month. And so I would have not just probably um, you know, I would have yeah, if my kids were going to college, I probably would have it would have been okay for them to move. If my spouse at that time said yes, they were interested in moving, I would have moved, right? If my spouse said they were not interested in moving, I probably would have not moved in 2017.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Yeah. Okay. So you're you're you're in Panama. Well, you're you're visiting your, I'm assuming you're just a short visit to Maryland, just so you can feel cold and snow and all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

I came to check out my investments, but yeah, and I got stuck.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Oh, okay. So how are how have you begun to then like you? I like to work. I mean, I I can see, I mean, I can coach and podcast anywhere in the world. That's the beauty transition that I absolutely and what how are you taking this entrepreneurial spirit and beginning to help others start to put what they need, what they want to the forefront and starting to make that happen. What is that looking like for you right now?

SPEAKER_00 20:12

So now um I help other people do exactly what I did. I get a lot of people asking, well, me too, you know, raising their hand. I want to live somewhere else. And so we started a just a boutique firm just helping people move and giving them all the steps that they would need. In my case, I was able to move so quickly and basically without all the information because I had done it so many times and I had done it for other people. So I knew all the parts that were needed. I knew about shipping, logistics, immigration. You know, I understood those things. I understood that when I went somewhere, that I probably won't find all the same things that I love to do or eat or shower with, or, you know, all the things. And so now that's what our um our organization, which is um your elevated experiences, we help black women over 40 because they are the largest group of people who are leaving the United States right now. It's almost like the Black women migration, right? And so that is the largest group that is leaving. And so we focus on helping them understand this is how you get a visa. We and we work with lawyers, professional in finance, international tax accountant, all the things that you would need to make sure that move is smooth. And in doing that, people realize wow, there are it's yeah, you can just pick up and move and figure it out when you get there. But in some countries, depending on where you're going, you had to file for your visa before you left. Some countries you have to file for your visa once you're in the country. And then sometimes some of the documents that you needed to be um, you know, for your immigration are still in the US, or you had to do it in the US. So We help them kind of work walk through all of that. So I share all my experience, my knowledge, my skills with with this group of women. And the thing is, like for me, I'm not just sharing because I did it once. I've done it several times, right? And I've done it professionally. And I'm helping to kill out some of the myths, right? Because most of the allies they are just like me. They have aging parents. I have a 90-year-old mom at early dementia. I have adult children who are still in the United States. And these are the things that usually are blocking them from moving. And I'm like, I have that too. And I still move. You can too. So it's more of giving people the courage to live the life that they dream about, to take it from a dream and make it a goal.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Sure. I love that. Now one nice thing, and I I appreciate that this about South America, Central America, is it's not a hot it's not a short flight. Or well, let me rephrase that.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah, I'm just four hours away. It's just I mean, if I lived in New York and had to go to LA, is it not four hours? Right? It's just a four-hour flight. If I went to Hawaii, that's eight.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

So it's only four hours away. And for some places, a lot of places, it's a non-stop flight.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Nice. I love it. I love it. Hey, listen, I would love if we could do a quick, you know, kind of navigate through the website, kind of introduce folks to your program. And the because we are gonna do video. So I don't think they'll I they definitely don't want to see my face, but all the time. But that's why I like to do the video. Let me get my little share button. There it is. The miracle of technology. All right, let me hang out one second here. Get your website up, and now we have that. All right. So we should be seeing your website. I'm seeing it. Excellent. So let's talk a little bit. Uh these these women look very happy. All right. Relocate.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

I love not in the United States anymore. That's that's right.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Relocate with intention, live with freedom. So take us on a an and I by the way, I love the title, uh, Global Bougie BFF's collective. I I I I love that. I've heard the word bougie three times this week, so there's something about it. So take us on a little tour, Sable.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Okay, so a tour of the website. So what we have here basically is the focus, the focus of uh what the women who are leaving. So you talk about that picture. Can I I'm gonna go back to that photo for a minute? So you talk about this picture of these women, and this is the expressions and the things that are on their t-shirt is exactly the climate of where these women were feeling, which is why they moved. Right? They were like, she did it, so so can I, right? And so they're so these t-shirts are actually also the things that I hear my clients saying, like they need rest. Rest is my resistance because this is where a lot of people are stressed out. So you'll see on this site that it's really giving people the liberation and the freedom that it's okay. It is very okay for you to live in another country. It does not mean that you're not loyal to the United States, it doesn't talk about your patriotism or your level. You can be a very patriotic person and still want to live in another country because we still pay our taxes. The IRS is still looking for us and we still pay our taxes. So it does not have to do with you know your patriotism. And then if you move down, it talks about our mission. So our mission is not just about helping you move, but it's also about helping you to have the finances that you need to move. Because a lot of times people, that is a big fear. Like, how am I gonna make money when I move? And so we show women how they can make money even once they live abroad. Most of these women are very talented and skilled, they've left very good jobs. Some of them take their jobs with them, and those skills are transferable online or even to other companies. And so as you move down, it talks about why do you should choose us? We are like a one-stop shop.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

I love that. Can I move down? And that's important. And to be able to get some of the answers to these questions at least be become in better informed than when you started.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so we also give not only do we give relocation support, but we also ensure that people have community by connecting them with other communities, expat communities to the countries they're going with. And we have the cultural immersion where we have scouting trips. We have a trip coming up in March where we're taking people to Panama. So we also are doing that. We also are going to Portugal, we're going to Dubai and helping people who want to relocate, see the country first. And we take them on a relocation trip, not a vacation, where we help them look go to the supermarkets, look at the housing, talk to immigration lawyers, talk to real estate professionals. We put all that in place so this way people can make a very informed relocation decision.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

I love that. I like the the fact that you're you're going to these countries to check it out. In effect, you know, you stayed at a at a Airbnb for a month. I mean, that before you make the move, I think that is wonderful. I mean, I can take my computer. I I at least I would imagine. I mean, that actually brings up another question. One of my computers is a client computer. I don't know if they'd feel very comfortable with me taking their computer to another country. I certainly would feel better taking my computer to another country, but it's still, okay, I gotta think about this because my computer is my life, my microphone is my life.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Mm-hmm. Yep. Absolutely. And that's one of the things like um, you know, knowing does that place have good Wi-Fi? And there's excellent Wi-Fi in all three countries I just mentioned that we're gonna be touring. And that's what allows people to still make a very good living living abroad. If you just need to have good Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Yeah, I mean, that that literally is for me, that's all I need is Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

Yeah. Okay, steady Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

All right, now we have our relocation specialist that looks just like you.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

That's she looks like I think I know her. I think I know her.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

All right, so now we gotta schedule, we've got uh a schedule, a uh discovery call.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Yeah, because some, you know, a lot of times people are wondering, like, can I? And you know, so we do have like conversations to help people get clear, and that is really so important about people being clear on why they want to move. And this is our relocation readiness quiz. And for people who are thinking about moving, they want to move, they're not really sure. Am I ready? Is this really for me? This helps people understand exactly where they are in their own journey of relocating, if they're actually ready. And it's just asking questions about basically your finances, how do you want to live, where you're thinking about living. And at the end, you get to find out what stage you are at for relocating. And I think it's good for anyone, someone who wants to do three months in, three months out, or whatever, someone who wants a full relocation, someone who wants to be a digital nomad. This test would uh, this quiz here will give you an idea of where you are.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

I love it, I love it. So let's go back. And now, is there a um like your program? Is that the collective?

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Yeah, that's the collective. And so this is our collective where women who join us who are saying yes, I'm I need some guidance, and we have a membership program. In our membership program, we go step by step from why do you want to move? Then we help that when you get that down pat, why, what's your lifestyle, country, role? Or then we go into what mission? I'm sorry, then we go into what kind of money do you have? Because before you can start thinking about countries, you better know how much money you have. Right. Right? And you better know the sources of where that money comes from. And we do that before people choose their country, because this way you can use your finances in the ideal of your lifestyle to determine what countries are gonna be good for you.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. And then got scouting trips, which is one you're just we're talking about strategic relocation planning, income opportunity exposure, experts and residences. That's where I want to be. Okay, Sable. That's where I want to be, right there.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

All right, all right. Well, you know, I can AI you into that photo if you like, or you or you're good.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

And then uh we can join the collective 99 99 a month, that's reasonable. 997 per year.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

You know, I tell people who, especially people who are traveling from country to country, we one of the biggest mistakes I think people forget is when I say that the IRS is still checking for you. You are still responsible to file your taxes. It doesn't matter what country you live in, as long as you're still holding on to that passport. And it's in your passport. And and so we have our international tax accountant, we'll let people know. That's our one of our experts and residents. Hey, a country you're thinking about going to live in, do you know if they have double taxation? Do you know, you know, so you want to know that sometimes before you choose that country?

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, very good.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

And that's important for digital nomads as well. You know, as they're moving around, you need to know that.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

You know, I I will okay, I can live here too. I will, I would place a bet. I'm in Las Vegas, so I'm allowed to bet, uh, wager, excuse me, that a lot of people don't realize like the double taxation. That they they it's like the last thing on their list.

SPEAKER_00 32:36

Absolutely. The first thing is living by the beach.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah. Okay. Okay, that's a question that was going on in my mind. I want to absolutely all right. Guys can join. All right. Well, I love this, and you know, I I think this is this is a great service for anybody that wants to make this move. I want to stop sharing here and just could so for our listeners, we're visiting a couple couple pages here, the your elevated experiences.com, and we just did a click to another landing page, bougie bffs.com and home, and you can learn more about this collective. All right. I love I love the word bougie. There's something about that word. That's my word of the day.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

You know, you don't want to go to a a country and be on the struggle bus. That is definitely you financially, you do not want to struggle in someone else's country. And at this stage of our lives, we should be able to live just a little bit better than we were living in the previous stage of our lives, right? And and whatever that means for you, you know, that freedom, freedom, you know, Bush is also about being bold, right? Being bold with our choices, bold in our decisions, and that's you know, a huge part of it.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah, and I think you know, we we always think about what we can't do, and and I love, you know, from a coaching perspective, okay, you can't do, but if you could, what are those first things that you would do? Yeah, and then the next, and then the next. And I I love the fact that, you know, this this was definitely on, I mean, it was in your DNA because having lived in in multiple countries in Africa, uh, and then making this decision, you you actually are a great role model because you've done it, and there's there's safety in knowing somebody is available to help coach them and mentor them through the change because this is a huge change. I love this. This is great, Sable. I really appreciate you taking the time to uh join me on the podcast today. And you know, we're we we do interview a lot of chambers of commerce and destination marketing organizations. Hey, I I would even imagine there's a destination organization or a chamber in Panama. So we could do some podcast episodes with them if you if you want to set that up.

SPEAKER_02 35:09

But okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

I uh I think this is fantastic for anybody who's ever thought about doing it. You know, you've just provided them so uh a number of steps forward to make some to start to make some of those decisions or ask those questions. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Thank you for having me. That's always great having a conversation with you.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Fantastic. Now, before we head out, uh besides our website, and we'll have those backlinks in our show notes, uh, is there anywhere else uh social sites like LinkedIn or Facebook that you want to send people to?

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Well, we do have a podcast, and it's called The Bougie Expats. And we do have a podcast, and there we share all about the experience of moving and how to make money that travels with you, um, what you should be thinking about and the different opportunities for income generation and also showing you what life could be like when you live abroad.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

I love it, I love it, and we'll provide those backlinks in our show notes. I do have one very important well, two very important questions.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Do you like coffee?

SPEAKER_00 36:15

You know, I like I love coffee. I'm not a coffee lover like you, I do not drink it every day, but I do drink coffee.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

Okay, so then Panama has good coffee.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Panama has good coffee.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Okay, that's very good to know. And has your golf score improved?

SPEAKER_00 36:31

My golf score has not improved. My golf game is actually worse, probably because I've been so busy inside working on with my clients on helping them to relocate. So I have dedicated, I was like, this year, every Thursday is golf day.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

There you go. I love it. I love it. Well, Sable again, thank you so much for spending time with us. This will be a great addition to our podcast. And for anybody who has this dream that they want to put into reality, and you've done it, and now you're helping others do it as well. So I love the fact that you're able to share that with our audience.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

All right, listen, stay in the line. We're gonna do a very quick close, and you and I can have a final chat. All right, folks. We have just been chatting with Sable Ryan, she's a good friend from a my mastermind a couple years ago. Now she is literally living the life, though she is in uh Maryland right now, freezing, but she has made this leap to relocate to Panama, and now she is helping uh others, you know, especially uh, you know, women, uh African-American women in their 40s and 50s, really start to make that leap. Is what how do I how do I have a life that I want? And really this idea of you know the lifestyle, the relocating, and realizing the world is your oyster. And there are there are uh countries around the world that are perfect opportunities for you to uh explore and create a new life for yourself. And that's what she's here for. And in addition to working on her golf game. Uh, now we will provide all the backlinks to Sable's website, uh, your elevated experiences.com and the bougie BFFs. I love that name, bougie. We'll provide those links in our show notes. We've got our LinkedIn profile, and we'll also have a link uh to the uh podcast, the Bougie Expats Podcast. Now, as for us, our episode will be up on our website, outdoor adventureseries.com. We're also on our uh Facebook and LinkedIn pages, Outdoor Adventure Series. The episode will be published up on YouTube, which will include the video of the episode so you can see the navigation of the website. And of course, you can listen to this podcast wherever you listen to your podcast from. So if you are on a trip across the Atlantic, the Pacific, down to Central South America, you know, store a couple podcast episodes like this one on your uh computer and enjoy. And until next time, we look forward uh for you to really take advantage of the outdoor adventure series and all the great guests that we have and the great information that's being shared. Until next time, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, go out there and have a fantastic day. Take care of the