Exploring Desert Art Program Innovation at the Goldwell Open Air Museum

Exploring Desert Art Program Innovation at the Goldwell Open Air Museum with Zoë Camper and Nichole Hanson.

Welcome back to another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series! Today, Our journey continues at the Goldwell Open Air Museum, located just a few miles west of Beatty, Nevada—a place filled with history, art, and the stunning scenery of the Amargosa Valley. 

Joining us are two passionate board members, Zoë Camper and Nichole Hanson, who share their experiences living in the desert, their connection to the unique outdoor art installations (including the famous "Ghosties"), and the ongoing efforts to preserve and promote this incredible site. 

We’ll hear about their backgrounds, the museum's programming, and the quirky charm that keeps visitors coming back—whether it’s for the art, the history, or just to relax on the museum porch and soak in the desert landscape. Get ready for stories of community, unexpected encounters, and the magic that happens where art meets the wild Nevada outdoors.

DISCUSSION

1. Guest Introductions

• Introduction of Zoë Camper as a board member and artist
• Introduction of Nichole Hanson as a board member

2. Acclimatizing to the Desert Climate

• Howard asks Zoë about adapting to the weather
• Zoë shares anecdotes about running in the dry heat and comparisons with London

3. Personal Backgrounds and Connection to the Museum

• Zoë discusses her move to the U.S. and connection to Las Vegas
• Howard Fox and Zoë joke about pronouncing "Beatty"
• Nichole shares her background from Salt Lake City and move to Las Vegas
• Nichole recounts her first experience with Goldwell in 1994

4. Introduction to Goldwell’s Artwork ("The Ghosties")

• Howard and Nichole discuss the sculptures known as “the Ghosties”
• Nichole explains her path to joining the Goldwell board, encouraged by Zoë

5. Significance and Experience of the Goldwell Open Air Museum

• Nichole describes her enchanting first visit and deeper appreciation for the area's history and art
• Zoë elaborates on the process of integrating with the local community and developing programming

6. Educational and Community Programming

• Zoë discusses the importance of listening to local input before acting
• Her background as a certified guide in London and application to Goldwell
• Details on educational programs, guided walks, artist residency program, and artists' wall
• The visitor center’s regular operation and increasing international visitors

7. Personal Discovery and Regional Appeal

• Zoë and Howard share their first encounters with Goldwell and the nearby region
• Mention of photography meetups and the unique desert atmosphere

8. Marketing, Branding, and Signage Initiatives

• Nichole on transitioning skills from commercial marketing to nonprofit tourism and branding
• Efforts to differentiate Goldwell from Rhyolite ghost town
• Work on updated signage funded by a Travel Nevada grant
• Anecdote about burros interacting with the new sign

9. Vision for the Future of the Museum

• Howard prompts about long-term goals for the museum
• Zoë emphasizes preservation of art and landscape
• Engagement with specialists for environmental surveying and sculpture safety
• Desire to maintain community connections and educational outreach

10. Facilities and Visitor Experience

• Discussion of the visitor center, art displays, history, and merchandise (T-shirts, etc.)
• Importance of creating storytelling experiences for visitors
• Zoë explains the appeal of wandering the grounds and discovering the local landscape and history

11. Stories, Folklore, and Local Color

• Zoë and Nichole share quirky local stories and fables that emerge from spending time at the museum
• Reflection on the unique passage of time and the peaceful experience of the Amargosa Valley

12. Additional Resources and How to Learn More

• Zoë shares her website for listeners to view her art: zoecamper.com
• Nichole provides the Goldwell Open Air Museum website and social media handles

13. Podcast Closing

• Recap of the episode’s guests and their contributions
• Summary of the museum's unique environment and ongoing programs
• Information on where to find the podcast episode online
• Invitation for listeners to visit Goldwell and enjoy the local art and history

LEARN MORE

Goldwell Open Air Museum: https://www.goldwellmuseum.org/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Goldwell-Open-Air-Museum-51115761339
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goldwellmuseum/ 

Rhyolite: https://travelnevada.com/ghost-town/rhyolite-ghost-town/

Beatty Museum & Historical Society: http://www.beattymuseum.org/

Travel Nevada: https://travelnevada.com/
Nevada Arts Council: https://www.nvartscouncil.org/

ZoëCamper.Com: https://zoecamper.com/

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KEYWORDS

Zoë Camper, Nichole Hanson, Goldwell Open Air Museum, Desert Art, Nevada Art, Beatty Chamber of Commerce, Rhyolite, Travel Nevada, Nevada Arts Council, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

Hello everybody, this is Howard Fox and welcome back for another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series. And I am back here at the Goldwell Open Air Museum, which is, I would say, four or five miles west of Beatty, Nevada. What a history. And I was up here today. I had the pleasure of interviewing my friend Steve Dudrow. He is with the Artbox Podcast, and he is a resident artist on the Artboard in Mesquite, Nevada. And as I was up here interviewing Steve, we had the chance to also include one of the other local artists. I had the chance to interview Patrick as well. So this has been full of art and creativity and history. Now, today it's the afternoon. I'm back here at the Go Well Open Air Museum, and I have the pleasure of introducing to you Zoe Camper. She is a board member here at the museum. She is also a very accomplished artist. And I also have Nicole Hansen. She is on the board as well. So, Zoe, Nicole, thank you for joining me on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

My pleasure.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Fantastic. So, first off, it's hot out here. And so and I I noticed, Zoe, you're you're not from around here. How have you been acclimating to the weather? This this wonderful desert weather.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

It's it's hot.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

It's hot.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

It's dry heat, though, I'm told, so I can't complain because it's not humidified, shall we say. Okay. So I I was out running one day and I went past the casino and the security guard just shouted at me, it's dry heat. And it's sweating like anything. It's different to London, I'll say that. But I wouldn't be anywhere else.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Lovely. Now, how long have you been here in the US?

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Coming up for it's about nine, ten years. My husband's in the gaming industry, which is what actually brought us here. Okay. And a love of Las Vegas actually set us on our journey to Vegas, not necessarily Beatty.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Beatty.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Beatty. I can't do it. You can't do it. Somebody said it's like Warren Beatty. Warren Beatty. And I said, no, what? Warren Beatty. It just won't come out.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

I have to share this. When I'm not podcasting, my day job is I am a coach, and certain of our coaching responsibilities is to take exams periodically. And I had to do an assessment of this exam, and I finished it yesterday. And what I noticed from the lessons is they were all using the ISEs, whereas we end some of our words with IZEs.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

And it's like I could tell where the exam was made. So I get it. When you say BD, Beatty, I get it. And hopefully when you're here 12, 15 years, it'll be just like clockwork.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Yeah, we'll yeah, we'll work. We'll see.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

We'll see. Now, how long have you been here in Beatty? Or are you still is Las Vegas still your home?

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Las Vegas is home.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

But we come up as often as we can. Okay. We started doing guided walks and we've started looking at what we can do with the museum, so it's essential that we're here. Right. And it's just a great place to come out and forget about things.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

So I I I love it. I was just sharing with the guys earlier, is I came out here when I did my first Star Sky photography shoot, and I love coming back here. And it's like, hey, you're in Vegas, take a day, go up to Beatty, Rhyolite, have some fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

It's really not that far away from it's not.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

It's not. So Nicole, tell us a little bit about yourself. How long have you are you a Beatty native or are you from elsewhere?

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, I'm not from Beatty, so I'm from originally.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

You said Beatty too.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Beatty.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

Beatty, Beatty.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Oh my gosh, this is gonna be like back and forth all day. I'm actually from Salt Lake City, Utah. Uh-huh. So not too far away, about six hours north of here. And I moved to Las Vegas about 16 years ago. So I've been out here for a while. And my first experience with Goldwell was around 1994, and I had no idea it was even called Goldwell. I just came out to see the ghosties and had no idea. The ghosties.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

So okay, so now that you've kind of let the cat out of the bag, so to speak, what are the ghosties? Well Are you allowed to say that since you're on the board?

SPEAKER_00 4:35

I am the newest member of the board. Okay. Oh I will say I'm not as seasoned as Michelle or Zoe or Patrick. So I'm allowed some slippage because I'm still learning. So yeah. But I'll I'll let Zoe explain because she has all of that in her brain. The ghosties. The ghosties.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Okay, but before we have Zoe explain, when you came out, what when you came out to Beatty and you you saw the ghosties, what led you to want to be a part of the board of the Goldwell Museum?

SPEAKER_00 5:09

So I was approached by Miss Zoe here about a year ago, almost exactly in March, I would say. And she had told me that she had been a part of this board. I can't even remember how this conversation came out. I'm not exactly sure, but I thought you're not getting away.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Yeah. Whatever was happening. You didn't stand back quickly enough. Yeah. And so I just thought she's such a fantastic person. And so Michelle met um and we got along and it just felt right and met Patrick, and it just felt like a great fit. And obviously, you've got tons of skills that we don't have as well.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

So it it was a really enchanting first visit. We came out here, and it was just like it was great to meet with Michelle and Zoe, and they opened my eyes to how much bigger this area is with the history and all of the other art pieces. So it is famous for the ghosties or the ghosts, but there's so much more to Goldwell and and the overall area and Beatty, and it's just it's been fantastic to get like deeper and deeper into the different levels of this area.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Okay, okay. So, Zoe, when you are here and spending time and you had alluded a few minutes ago to hosting tours, so what is it, what are some of the programming that you're intimately involved in here to promote and really kind of ex share the experience of what it means to come to the museum?

SPEAKER_01 6:44

I think one of the most important things is that we didn't just turn up from Vegas and do things. We've spent a lot of time listening, getting to know Patrick and Richard and the folk of BT, baby, baby. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

You do you.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Oh, thank you. I can do that. And so we didn't rush into anything. So gradually, what we've been doing is looking at at the educational side of things. So I'm a City of London guide. I trained for a year. I've got a what's called a green badge in guided walking in the 2,000 years of London. Oh, yeah. But I can only guide in the square mile. But in that square mile is 2,000 years. Sure. So I brought that kind of love of telling people about things and trying to explain things to the sort of the modern era, the last hundred and whatever years, forgetting or not including because I don't know enough about the last 15,000, but I'm working on that. So the idea of actually creating something that would draw people here, whilst also trying to explain why the artwork is here, which isn't always straightforward, has been a lot of fun. We've also just set up our inaugural artists' wall, which means that we have now a regular art program. So part of our articles of association are about helping artists and also an artist residency program, which is going to take time, but that's what we've been trying to set up among many other things, and just being here as well. And Patrick's here, the visitor center's open six days a week. And that's just phenomenal. I think that's one of the best things that could have happened, actually.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Fantastic. I I know when I I was here earlier this morning, there was I think Patrick was saying, there was folks here from France and the UK. Yep. And it's I mean, that's wonderful when folks make a point of coming out here. I mean, they want to perhaps go to Death Valley. I mean, why not? It's eight miles down the road. And and I think they discover Beatty, and also they discover, wait a minute, there's this ghost town and there's this museum nearby, and then they tell their friends and family, and they tell their friends and family, and you all of a sudden have this international following.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah. My first trip, I think, was 2009. Not my first trip to Vegas, which was the end of 2001. And we came because of Ryolite. Right. But the minute we saw the the Pink Lady, as we colloquially can't say it's called her, it's not a name. I was, I was, what on earth is this? So I knew about this place before I moved here. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Fantastic. I I literally did not even know about the place. I mean, I knew I knew in Nevada there were ghost towns. I had no idea where they were. And it was it was through a at the time there was a meetup group for dark sky photography. And we went to Mojave National Preserve, like I think within a couple weeks of moving to Las Vegas. And then, oh, we're going up to Ryolite, and the rest, as they say, is history. Is staying at the motel, seeing a borough walk down the street.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Yeah, the boroughs.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Yeah, and then just experiencing the this museum at night was absolutely wonderful. And we did hear about a snake, but that's a whole other story. We have to watch out for those.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

It did say watch out for snakes on the sign.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

I did see the sign. It was not lost on me. So it's great programming for folks of all ages, very educational, and it's as you're sharing this at work in progress. And I guess I would be curious, maybe we'll wait for the to answer this question about where would you see, where would you like to see this museum say in five years or so? And I'll give you a chance to think about that before you jump in, because I want to hear from Nicole. As you came out here, what is some of the programming you're working on? And how has your experience, because I know you're in gaming as well, and as a charitable giving, and also the product marketing, so you have an idea of how to market product, and this is this museum is a product.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yes. So it's been really an interesting learning experience to go from kind of a commercial corporate marketing experience to nonprofit, and and not only that, but incorporate tourism and travel and the mission. And so I think a lot of what I've been doing in this first year is basically learning about the best way that you could brand or market an area like Goldwell. And one of the things that we've been focused on this year is just even differentiating Goldwell from Ryolite. So they are two different areas, and Goldwell is a parcel of land that is right outside of Ryolite, but it's it's it's its own place, it's its own experience. And so we've been working on signage and kind of really branding Goldwell to identify itself uniquely. It is part of the whole area. Like if you visit Goldwell, you're definitely going to visit Ryolite. And I think just even looking at how we're doing that story, how we're branding, how we're explaining our mission. And Zoe, Michelle, Patrick, Richard, everybody's done a really good job of taking this story and doing the guided walks and like documenting it, and then also like kind of looking forward to like what we're gonna do next to continue to brand it and elevate it and get it going and continuing in the future for other people to enjoy.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Excellent. Something that dawned on me. You just said something about the signage. The as you drove in from Beatty, you're on the road to Death Valley. There, and I knew the road to turn right because there's a big billboard on the side on the side of the road. But as I made that right-hand turn, I noticed there were two signs that I don't recall seeing. Are those new? Yes.

unknown 13:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Yeah, they're there. Michelle worked hard on a grant from Travel Nevada. Okay. So that was a grant that we are literally just finishing off now, which enabled us to get new signage and particularly something on the roadside, so that people were more aware that that there's Goldwell and there's Ryolite, but even that there's Goldwell. But one of the funniest things, we got the new sign, all looking great, and then I think Patrick sent a picture of a burrow scratching its backside on on the sign. And it's just like the chances of the sign being taken out by a burrow and a low, but never zero.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

It just made me laugh.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Alright, so I I have a favor. Would you please ask Patrick for a copy of that photo? Because we'll include that in the show. I think it's wonderful. I literally, as I was making the right-hand turn, I saw the sign. I almost just kept going. And then I thought to myself, I have to turn around, make sure, because the sun was fine this morning. It was being lit. The signs were being lit by the sun. They weren't obscured by the glare. And so I turned around, went back, stopped the car, got out of it, took some photos, and got back in, then turned around again and came up to the museum. So I okay, so I even in my old age, I I have a attention to detail. And you I haven't seen those before. That's wonderful. So a question I was going to ask earlier is you've been here for a while. You're you're both very involved in the museum, one rather new, but where would you like to see, say, ten years from now? What would what will well you can have successes every day, every month, every year, but ten years from now, what would you like to see and share with the community or visitors coming here to visit this museum?

SPEAKER_01 14:57

I think the biggest thing is that everything is still here in ten years. Okay. We are working with a company who are doing some pro bono work for us on surveying not just the sculptures but the landscape. So what how much precipitation is coming from the mountain, where it goes, how it's undercutting sculptures. I just want to know that they're here. Okay. That's my top goal. And I think I would say that we're all on board with that. So it's one of the most uh harshest environments when it rains, it's it's dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

It's dangerous, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Yes. So that's our constant, both incredible environment, but equally our kind of enemy. So to work with that is the major goal, and to raise enough money to make sure that, as I think it was some of the words that Albert Zukowski, the founding sculpture, said to our recently retired president, Susan Hackett Morgan, keep it going. As you go out, you'll see Michelle's sculpture that says keep going. I think that's a mantra that we've all begun to understand. So whilst I want to say the most phenomenal community art centre and close connections with the school and people in in Beatty thinking this is theirs and that they love it and will cherish it, what I want to say is that everything is safe and here in 40 years' time.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Excellent.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

That's I think that's where we're all at. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Excellent. Nicole, as far as programming, by the way, I have a I have a uh a request that the out the porch outside the product, product marketing, that porch is phenomenal with the cross breeze. I can imagine it's about four times, five times the size with a whole bunch of chairs.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Oh, yeah. That that is one of my visions is that I think eventually we have a communal area with a lot of shade where people can come and sit and enjoy. And yeah, so I I'm with you on that. I I've sold for that.

unknown 17:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Excellent, excellent. So a question that I'd love to ask is as you come into the the into the visitor center, I mean it there's a it it's it's small, okay, but there's a lot going on, a lot of photos, a lot of artwork, a lot of Patrick's art, there's a lot of the history, and you've got some nice merch. By the way, the one of the t-shirts, I think it's a 2XL. I will try that on before I leave. I might need to request a 3XL. By the way, I don't think the t-shirts were here when I was here last. Those are those I think are due as well.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

But they just might not have been in stock.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Maybe that would be.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

I think we've been doing t-shirts for a while.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Because that is, I love that that t-shirt, so very cool. The visitors that come in, what what are you hearing from them when they come and visit the the museum?

SPEAKER_01 18:05

I think from listening to Patrick, listening to Michelle as well, they're they're kind of a little surprised and they're not sure what's going on. The big draw are the ghosties, the original art piece, The Last Supper, by Albert Zukowski, which has been sitting there for 40 years. That's what the main draw, I believe, is. It's probably our most famous piece and the most influential. People enjoy walking around, but they love the feel of it. Because if you just look straight out, you're looking out at the Armaghsa Valley. If you look carefully, you can see the big dune just in the distance. Over the hills, you're looking into California. It has a sense to it of being quite otherworldly. And then they want to know really about the the ghost town 1904 when Shorty Harris found the rock that set the Goldwell Gold Rush or Ryolite Gold Rush off, and how that was different to what was the big one? Virginia City and Gold what's the title? Goldfield. And then how how it happened, what what happened, what were the miners like? This is an old mining claim.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

This was this is two mining claims put together, and that land was purchased way back, actually. But it is it was the kind of casual end of Rhyolite. It's the bullfrog. So it's all very tied in to that. And it's just kind of explaining a little bit the good stories, the fun stories. So Richard pointed out that if you look straight out and just look to the right, there's a wagon trail that heads off into Death Valley. Once you start seeing those places, you can start to weave a story. So creating that story for visitors is what they're interested in and what they enjoy. And then they just love the nuttiness of it. It was a big pink lady, there's Shorty Harris and the penguin. What's the penguin doing in the desert? What is going on there? And that's indicative of Fred Buffett's he would always have some sort of self in his artwork. And the penguin is him, and that's how he felt in the desert. There's also other stories associated with that, which I won't go into right now, which are far more funny. But just what what is it? What is going on, really, I think is the main thing.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Excellent, excellent. Nicole, if you had the chance to be interviewed, uh a news station, another a podcast host, I don't know, maybe somebody like me, who knows? Why should I come to the Goldwell Museum?

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Oh my gosh. There's so many reasons why you should come here. And I I think Zoe so eloquently has said is that just the Armaghsa Valley itself is is just astonishing. It's so peaceful. And then yeah, once you get to Goldwell, you realize that we have these priceless pieces of sculpture. They're internationally well-known artists, which that was surprising to me because at first it was like you kind of think it's just random, but once you come here, you start to realize it's not random. Several of these artists come from the same school in Belgium, and there is just it's that interconnection of the valley, the art, the kind of strangeness. I think it is a place you can't forget. So once you come here, you're gonna always feel connected to it. And yeah, I just think it's a it's a great spot. And of course, you're gonna run into some lovely people that like Patrick and the and and Richard in the visitor center, and they are more than happy to sit and talk to you, and you'll see art happening. Patrick's usually here with his sketchbook. And paints and so it's it's an active live area where art exists and art is happening and it's so inspirational. So that's what keeps me coming back. We we've come quite a bit, and it never really gets old. We we keep talking about how even the town of Beatty and the the areas that you can visit in Beatty are always there's always something new.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

There's always a story will happen, whether it's a burrow encounter or a very funny story today about a naked man in just a cowboy hat, which is not suitable for your podcast, so I'm not gonna go into it. But it's a kind of m fable. You know there are fables here that you get to hear after you've sat down and chilled out, and then the stories come.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

I love it, I love it. Before we head out today and is there a as far as the stories, the fables, is is are there opportunities when you when you leave the the museum, you leave the grounds, and you're you're on the way back home. What are the thoughts going on through your head?

SPEAKER_01 23:08

That we sat on the porch and looked out at the Armaghosa Desert Valley for too long, yeah, and we didn't do what we said we were gonna do. We got so into the just being here.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Richard was said that earlier before he had he thought, oh my god, I think I've got to go somewhere. I don't remember where, but uh Yeah. And I could I could just see hanging out there all day and not doing a thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Yeah. So that does happen. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah. And there's something I was just telling Zoe about this today. I said, time is different out here. I don't know what it is about it, but it it it can feel very long, but also very short. So you're like, what did I do? But it is.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

We don't know actually what we did, but we've done it.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

I love it. Yeah. By the way, I have to share, I am in love with the name the Maragosa Valley, the Maragosa River.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

There's just something about that that's like it just kind of it kind of makes you work for it though as well, doesn't it? It's not an easy thing to say.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

A little almost like Beatty and Beatty for you. No, okay. So if our listeners would like to learn more about uh well, first off, if about you and your work, because we really didn't talk about your art, but I want to give them an opportunity in our show notes to have a link to go and see some of the great work that you're producing and really what led you to being here is a on on the board of the Goldwell Museum. Where would where would you like visitors to go? In what sense? Would you like them to visit your website?

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yes, I would.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

What what would be that URL?

SPEAKER_01 24:42

So it's zoecampa.com. That's Z-O-E, C-A-M-P-E-R. It's not the American with a Y.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

And it's the E with the Umwat.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

It is, which you don't need online. So just straight up.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Okay, fantastic. And we we will provide the links back in our show notes to your website and any of the social sites as well. Now, Nicole, I'm not going to put you on the spot. So if our listeners would like to learn more about the Goldwell Open Air Museum, where should they go?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

They should go to goldwellopenairmuseum.org, right? Goldwellmuseum.org. Okay. Sorry, I always know. Always jerks me. And yes, definitely follow our Instagram and our Facebook page is very active as well.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

So excellent. Well, we will uh provide those links back in our show notes. And is that okay? Do we need to get permission? Maybe if I pull a couple photos from your Facebook page. No, I think you'll find. Okay. Yeah, because I I I know we it's it's for the museum, it's not for me.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

So you find. We'd love you to excellent.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Thank you. I would love to also come back out here and do some more interviews. I think this was fun today. Both of you did fantastic. I know a little nervous perhaps, but you two rocked it. And I mean I can't I can't believe this is probably the first podcast you've been on. So if if it is, well, great.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

That's a really fun conversation. Thank you so much. You're very well brilliant. It's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Excellent. Listen, we're gonna do a real quick close and then we'll have a final chat, okay?

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

All right, folks. We have just been chatting with Zoe Camper and Nicole Hansen here at the Goldwell Open Air Museum. We I was hoping to do this outside, but let me just say, even with my little rabbit tail cover for my mic, the wind was blowing like you wouldn't believe. And I thought that was gonna be a little too disruptive, but I really, really wanted to do that. But we're sitting inside the museum, and as I'm chatting with Zoe and Nicole, I'm just noticing all the artwork and the photos. I'm noticing the merch, and I'm gonna go try on a t-shirt in a second. Now, listen, we're gonna provide all the links in our show notes to the museum, and they'll be there as well as Zoe's website too. Now, as for this episode, you can find us on our website, outdooradventureseries.com. The episode will also be on our Facebook and LinkedIn pages, and we're actually gonna make a video of this episode with the photos, which will be up on our YouTube channel. And of course, wherever you get your podcast from, uh you can find this episode on the outdoor adventure series. So when you're driving to Beatty, you're yeah, you're on your way to Death Valley, you're gonna see Beatty, but you're also gonna want to make a stop to the Goldwell Museum here on a piece of land just south of the Ryolite Ghost Town. What a wonderful place, great history, and really it's a lot happening here, and really some of the great programming is just stay tuned for it and keep checking out the website for what's coming up. Okay, folks, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, go out there and have a fantastic day. And I'm gonna go out and as the sun starts to set a little bit, I'm gonna go visit with the ghosties, and we look forward to having you join us on a future episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series Podcast. Take care now.