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From Excommunication to Redemption Through Christ: Clint Huston's Story - Latter-Day Lights

• Scott Brandley

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What happens when everything you’ve built your life on falls apart in the blink of an eye?

In this week’s episode of Latter-day Lights, special guest Clint Huston shares his deeply personal journey from being raised in the Church and appearing to do everything “right” on the outside, to an affair that led to divorce, a battle with pornography addiction, excommunication, and the painful loss of identity that followed. Until, at his lowest moment of feeling cast off, broken, and unworthy, Christ met him with unmistakable love and began a powerful work of restoration.

Through therapy, humility, and complete surrender to the Lord, Clint began a long and winding healing journey—one that included addiction recovery, rebaptism, temple restoration, remarriage, and learning to trust God’s timing more than his own. Along the way, he discovered that grace is not earned, healing is not linear, and the covenant path is rarely a straight line.

This episode is a raw and hope-filled testimony of the Atonement, the patience of God, and the truth that no one is ever beyond Christ’s reach. If you’ve ever felt disqualified, ashamed, or afraid that you’re too far gone to be healed, Clint’s story is for you.

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Scott Brandley:

Hey there, as a Latter day Lights listener, I want to give you a very special gift today. My brand new book, Faith to Stay. This book is filled with inspiring stories, powerful discoveries, and even fresh insights to help strengthen your faith during the storms of life. So, if you're looking to be inspired, uplifted, and spiritually recharged, just visit faith2.com. Now, let's get back to the show. Hey everyone, I'm Scott Brandley. Every member of the church has a story to share, one that can instill faith, invite growth, and inspire others. On today's episode, we're going to learn how one man lost everything through divorce and excommunication, but was able to find himself again through the atonement. Welcome to Latter Day Lights.

Clint Huston:

Hi, Scott. Thanks for having me.

Scott Brandley:

Yeah, you bet. Just two guys hanging out today. My um my co-host wasn't able to get her mic going, so that's all right. So just you and me today, buddy. That's fitting. So no pressure or anything.

Clint Huston:

This could be a dull conversation without a woman to help things along.

Scott Brandley:

I know.

Clint Huston:

It may be a short conversation, but yeah, there's a reason.

Scott Brandley:

There's a reason why why we have a woman on the podcast. Yeah, we'll do our best. I'm sure it'll be fine. So welcome to the show. Um, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, my friend?

Clint Huston:

Sure. I'm a lifelong member of the church, um, born and raised in Gilbert, Arizona, currently living in Chandler, Arizona, lover of lover of everything outdoors, um, love aviation, um, a chiropractor by trade, 51 years old, and uh yeah, I've been uh you know, husband, father, divorcee, widower, um, excommunicated member, rebaptized member. So I've been I've been around the block, I guess you could say.

Scott Brandley:

Um I think we're gonna kind of talk about some of that stuff today, right? Yes, yeah, okay. Any so you said you had some kids?

Clint Huston:

Yes, I have uh two sons, and they're currently living up in Vineyard, Utah with their mom. Um, although I just recently found out my my youngest son is wanting to move back down here, so I'm really excited about that. I just spent the last week with him helping him look for apartments and and jobs down here. So awesome, pretty excited about that.

Scott Brandley:

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, good man. Well, um, I mean, let's just jump right into it. Why don't you tell us where your story begins?

Clint Huston:

Yeah, that's a difficult one. I I think it starts within my childhood. I didn't realize that until after going through months of therapy, but uh so um yeah, I'll start with just a little background. Um, family had a great family growing up. Um, my mom was a lifelong member of the church. Um goes back to pioneer era. Uh my father was a convert, um, great parents, very happy childhood. Um, although it was interspersed with some traumatic things that I didn't realize were traumatic for me again, like I said, until after going through therapy. But overall, a very great childhood. Um grew up in my just out of high school, kind of went through the rebellious phase. It's funny, I I come from a family of eight kids, and I was the third. So I definitely I'd heard throughout my life this middle child syndrome. I didn't really know much about, I just looked it up the other day, and I was like, oh, that explains a lot. Uh at least my life kind of fit the the profile of that. But I did kind of go through a rebellious phase uh late in high school and just out of high school. Uh moved out when I was still 17. Um, I'm sorry, no, I I had I was 18 because that was the only way I could get a lease signed. Um, I just turned 18, but I was I was out the moment I could. Yeah, still early, man. I I wanted to be out on my own, be independent, and so I moved out with a couple of friends and um did all the things you could probably imagine. Um, but at one point I remember my friend and I were standing on the patio of our apartment smoking cigarettes, and um, we just kind of looked at each other and we're like, I think we're done with this. Like um, we knew the direction of our life wasn't gonna get us where we wanted to be. Um, I definitely had the the family values, everything instilled in me, and the direction we were going, I wasn't gonna have that. And I realized that, and so we just made an about face, flicked those out, never did it again. Uh, my friend at that time started getting ready to go on a mission. I was already 20, so I kind of had just thought I wasn't gonna do a mission. Uh, but then it just kind of dawned on me one day, like, why not? You you can still do it. And so I started going through that process, met with my bishop and state president, and that was uh a great journey. Um, incredible spiritual experience in in reading the Book of Mormon for the first time. It just I I resonated very much with, I think it was partly P. Pratt that said he couldn't put it down when he read it and just stayed up. And it was very much like that. I didn't read it all in one night, but uh I did read it all in a short period of time, and it had a powerful impact on my life. Um, had a great mission. I served in the Iowa Des Moines mission from 19. Let's see if I can get the years right. I was 1995 to 1997.

Scott Brandley:

Those are the same years I served, 95 to 97. Yeah.

Clint Huston:

That's funny, yeah. Where were you at?

Scott Brandley:

I went to Cape Town in South Africa.

Clint Huston:

Oh, so you're much more exotic than I had to laugh when I got my mission call because when I was in uh mission prep class, one of the gentlemen ahead of me got his call to like Wyoming, I think it was, and I chuckled out loud and laughed at him. So when I got my call to Iowa, I was like, Yeah, you had that one coming.

Scott Brandley:

So I'm going to Boise.

Clint Huston:

It was a great mission, though. Like, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. I had a great experience on my mission, learned so much, and um came home and quickly wanted to get married. My I had two good friends, um, the one that had gone out on the mission before me, and another one that had stayed home and gotten married. And my friend came home before me, and he was already engaged by the time I got home. So I was like, I think that was part of the issue is I uh my my marriage was kind of doomed from the start because I was doing it for all the wrong reasons. I I think I was just looking to get married because that's what I needed to do. I just wanted to be married. Um, probably more than anything, I wanted to be a father. I've always looked forward to being a father, and so I probably kind of rushed into that. Um, the my wife that we married, um, you know, looking back, we were just very young, naive kids who didn't know a lot. And you know, we did have love for each other, but I don't think it was the right type of love for a spouse. You know, I I I was looking at it as like a rescuer. She'd come from a you know, kind of troubled background with her parents uh and everything, and I felt like, well, I'm just gonna come in and save the day for her, be her rescuer. And um, she had been told by her father, you know, nobody's gonna want to marry you, things like that. So we just uh were we we met a need for each other, and um, so I just don't think that we had a great foundation from the start, and that led to difficulties. We gosh, on our honeymoon, I remember she she brought up getting divorced on our honeymoon um over me not asking for directions and getting lost, you know. Um so it was, yeah, definitely there were some issues early on. I came from a very I don't think I ever saw my parents fight. Definitely we didn't speak to each other the way that she did in her family, and so when I she would say things to me, it would just blew me away, you know, like and to her it was no big deal. Like she could say things like I wish you were dead, or then 10 minutes later everything would be fine, and I'm like, I'm not fine, yeah.

Scott Brandley:

But uh can we go back to 10 minutes ago? Can we talk about that for a minute?

Clint Huston:

Um, you know, that was she was uh she had a very emotive personality, you know, for sure. That and so um, but I yeah, it was a lot. I actually set started separating just a few months into our marriage. I went and got paper, divorce papers, started that process. Um, but then I went to uh they're having a state conference in my parents' stake, and there was a an authority, general authority visiting, and I went with the intent because I didn't know how any of that worked, but I went with the intent to try to talk to him after about an annulment and how that process worked. And instead, uh during his talk, I got hit um with liquid fire. He was bearing his testimony and talked about he was sharing a story about his grandfather who nobody could reach to reactivate in the church until like their granddaughter or somebody reached, you know, I don't know, had an influence on him, but he he bore a powerful testimony that there was nothing that couldn't be fixed. And and I received a powerful witness that I needed to stay in that marriage. That and one other incident, I was praying about at one time, and I felt the presence of my sons. And I didn't know, I just remember telling my wife, I said, I I couldn't tell. I just I know that we're gonna have a son, we're gonna have more than one son. I could feel the presence of more than one person, and I knew they were both um male. And so we had a we, you know, we had a tumultuous marriage for sure. Um, but it not to say it didn't have good points. Like we we definitely had good times too. Um, but I can say that the I don't know if you're familiar with John Gottman, his research on on divorce and things, but he he has what he calls the the four horsemen, the signs that show up. He could he studied families watching couples interact, and he could predict divorce with like 90% accuracy just on the way he watched people interact. But one of the things he talked about was that as you get to that point of getting out of a relationship, you kind of turn off, you you start to only see the negative things, and you start forgetting about the good. And that I can say that's true. I definitely got to a point where it was harder to to remember the good times and good experiences that we had and kind of focused on the negative. Um to my bad, um, but that is what it is. It was uh definitely what you'd call a the in the toxic, they call it a toxic triangle, toxic relationships where there's three roles there's the perpetrator, uh a victim, and a rescuer. And that was a very frequent thing between us, and I most often was bouncing between being the perpetrator or being the rescuer, and um and eventually things started to come to a head after it was after 17 years we'd been married, and okay, I think that was just starting to build up. I think in a lot of ways I felt like I was losing myself. Um some of the weaknesses that I had. And I do want to say right off from the start, I do not um blame my wife for her ex-wife now, but I do not blame her for what I did. Um we each had our own relationship things, and and I definitely could have handled everything differently than I did. So it was not an excuse to do anything that I did. Um, I had had a pretty much a lifelong addiction to pornography. I did not realize it was an addiction. Um, in our era growing up, you know, you didn't have the internet, you didn't have um phones that you could access it, you came across it maybe out playing around and somebody had discarded a magazine or something. But I had been exposed to it in my childhood, and it had just been something that kept popping back up. And I didn't realize it was an addiction because I could go for such long periods without it. It wasn't like something I did routinely, but it would be like I could go for a long period, but then I'd go through a stressful period or something, and I just kind of binged it, you know. And um, and I remember hearing a bishop one time, we were talking about it, and he he made the comment if you're not doing it this much, you don't have an addiction. And and I took him for at his word, you know, which is a foolish that was a probably foolish thing for him to say. He I don't think he clearly understood that um how addiction can work in that regard, but but it was also something that I just could never be, and that there were definitely some lies that I had believed as a child, and I made a little list, so I would just let me uh look down for a minute. Um one of the things is I'd grown up with the belief that everything's gonna be okay. So did I ever share with my mom episodes of like being bullied at school or anything? No. Um we never talked about the things that we struggled with or hurts me with. It was just that was a sign of weakness, that was whatever. I just I remember I would laugh about those things when I would tell the stories about things that had happened to me until I got into therapy and I was doing that EMDR therapy where they really kind of get into your subconscious, and and I would just fall like a baby as I recounted those experiences and realized how how much that the proud effect, profound effect that did have on me and on the way I viewed myself. Um, I definitely struggled with self-worth. One of the things that came up in therapy was that I was weak, and and that was true. I was very codependent. I I never, even with my friends, it was always, what do you guys want to do? I I never spoke up for myself, I never um voiced my opinion on things we should do. I just kind of went along with what everyone else was doing. Um that was very true. Um there was a I remember a seminary class. We read like Doctrine of Covenants, section 82, verse 7, and it it talked about after repenting, if you sin again, all your previous sins come back on you. And I don't know why our teacher taught us that the way he did. Um, but that just felt like I was drowning most of my life because obviously when you have an addiction, you do it again, and right, and so now I'm not only repent, you know, not only that sin, but all the ones previously are back on back on me, and a total misunderstanding of that scripture. Oh, how I wish it was written differently, but you know, by grace men are saved after all we can do. Right. I I wish that was they had a calmer phrase that even even after all we could do, we're saved by grace, is how I feel like that should be read now.

Scott Brandley:

But yeah, that's funny. I remember hearing that when I was a kid too. I'm like, that that adds a lot of pressure on you when you do something wrong, you know. They really don't talk about that anymore.

Clint Huston:

Yeah, I think culturally there were some issues in the church when we were growing up. I feel like their approach was fear, like scare you straight, um, the way that they taught things. And uh it didn't work. I just it didn't keep me from doing it, it just made me feel more guilty and shame and and less apt to feel like I could repent. Um yeah, I never felt worthy of God's love because of that addiction and because of that recurring sin. I didn't um I always struggled with feeling like I was worthy. And I remember reading a verse on my mission. It's in First Corinthians chapter 9, verse 27. And he said, Um, but I keep under my body and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. And when I read that, I just I knew deep down that was me. Like I knew I was gonna fail. I knew um I just I just knew it. I deep down, and and I've definitely come to believe that when we when we sin, we open the door for Satan to get in our head. It's it's interesting now. A lot of things that I felt like I was taught culturally in the church, not necessarily from my parents, but whatever. I I'm like, I'm not sure that I did. I because those things really weren't taught. I like I I read old conference talks and I'm like, no, they taught the same stuff we do now, but I think Satan has a way of teaching you things, and then you think it's you're being taught it from the church. And but I definitely believe that. I just I don't know, I just expected that it it was I was a ticking time bomb, and and and I was eventually, you know, it did come out. Um, there's the comments like what you do or think about when you're alone, you know, defines who you really are. Well, when I was alone, I often chose pornography, and so I be I viewed myself that that's who you really are deep down inside, you know. Everything else is a a facade, um, an act that you're putting on for everyone else at church. But deep down inside, you're you're a bad person, you're wrong.

Scott Brandley:

So these were all things that that could easily be negative reinforcement. Like they mean it for good, but yeah, if you're if you're young and you're impressionable and you and that's something you're struggling with, that could definitely be used against you.

Clint Huston:

Yeah, yeah. So these were all things building up within me, you know, leading to that that death, I guess we could say, but um the other thing is because of my my weakness, I just I avoided contention at all cost. And you know, I I'd said before my wife was one of those emotive personalities, so when there was a fight, there was a fight, you know, and so one of the other defects I developed was becoming quite dishonest, you know, over dumb things really, but um driving my kids through to get a treat at Dairy Queen and telling them not to tell her because she didn't want them to have sugar, and and uh so I I just became dishonest over a lot of things just to avoid conflict and and contention. Um, so that becoming a more of a deceptive person didn't help. Uh, but what really began to happen through all that, um, one, I just felt like I was losing who I was, I wasn't living the way I wanted to because I was living in the way that would keep peace in the home. And I didn't feel like I was, especially when it came to parenting, um I did had disagreements about things that the decisions we made for the kids, but I often just kept them to myself. And so this led to fantasizing about a different life. Um I had had boundaries that my boundaries just kept going away. So I'd uh have a chiropractor, I'd have patients, and I'd have conversations often with um they were members of the church, um, but females, and it wasn't about the topics weren't about anything inappropriate. Usually it was actually talking about doctrinal stuff or whatnot, but it was definitely inappropriate in that I was building a connection with women that weren't my wife, and that only increased that desire to like, man, what could it be like to be married to somebody different, you know? And imagining that that possibility. It was interesting that um it really had like I said that it had nothing to do with sex, like that I did not have an affair because I was looking for sex. It was an emotional connection with somebody that I felt valued me. I I often heard things my wife would say things like, Oh, I wished you'd been a dentist, or I wished I'd married a real man. And so there were things that I had just developed a very low self-esteem. So when I threw these conversations at work with with women, where I I just felt this, oh, somebody values me, or oh, somebody thinks I'm great, you know. And I remember the night that I had the affairs, I was driving to her place. It was it was interesting. I in talking to the therapist about it later, she said they call that dissociation, but I said it felt like an out-of-body experience almost. Like I felt like I was sitting there watching myself drive, and I'm going through in my mind, like, you know what's gonna happen if you go there, you know. Um, and I think on a on a like a some more subconscious level, because I was too weak to confront my wife about my concerns in our marriage and and things, I think I honestly looked at it as a way out. Um I think deep down I was like, this'll end my marriage. Um something I I didn't have the courage to do myself in a more appropriate way. Um so that occurred. It lasted about a week. And my wife confronted me. I remember we were sitting on the bed and and she asked me, it took me a while to be able to say it, but you know, I let her know. And um a couple days later, I I was driving home. The woman called me and I'm like, I can't see you anymore. Like, this done. But we were still on the phone as I pulled up to the house. And as I walked up, my wife came out and grabbed the phone from me and uh went off into the bedroom and left me there. She was, I'm like, Well, this is great. She's uh she's having a conversation with her, and I'm just like, and I'm just sitting there like, well, honestly, it was it was scary, but it was a relief at the same time. Um, when you're holding so much inside, in some ways it's a relief to to get it out, yeah. But so I was sitting in my son's bedroom, and she comes in probably like 30 minutes later. They've been talking a while, and she shows me these pictures on the phone of slit wrists, and she's like, Do you think this is real? She's saying she cut her wrists and wants you to come over. And so we were like, Well, just call 911 and send them over. And they ended up contacting my wife later and, like, yeah, it wasn't real, but they're like, People do that, um, to try to get get a response or whatever. So that was just a crazy situation, but um, I don't remember very well talking to my bishop. I know I went and and met with him and we had the church court, and it was interesting, my bishop did felt like he didn't think I was gonna be excommunicated because I had like willfully come forward about it um to both to my wife and to him. And but I knew um after the meeting, and I'll just say that uh that court man, that's a that's a I don't think I've ever felt more naked, um exposed in my life, you know, to be standing there in front of this group of men um exposing your dark secrets. And but it was a good experience. Um the stake president, I I knew him. I was actually in the Elder Scorpion presidency at the time, so I it wasn't like I didn't know you know, I had a somewhat of a relationship with the stake president, and he I remember after they had gone out, they'd gone as a president, he had gone in to meet and pray about the decision. He came back out. It was interesting, like he he was having a hard time saying, Um, I don't know, it was just like he was just talking, but it wasn't really getting to the point. And then I saw the the like spirit come over, and then he and then he just went on and said it. But it was very that was hard. Um I definitely just felt cast off because he's like telling my wife, you know, you're fine, your kids are fine, your ceiling's still intact, you're good, but it just was like you're fine, but he's gone. He's he's cast off. That's definitely how it felt. Um, but when I went home that night, the spirit um very strongly let me know that that was what I needed, and I am so grateful for that because had I had anything less, had I just been put on a discipline or just fellowshiped, slap on the wrist, I wouldn't have changed. It would have just continued. I might have been able to force it for a while, or you know, or just but it would have eventually come back because I I had to be cleaned out from the inside. Yeah. And so I was grateful for that. I was grateful that the next weekend was general conference. So I was excommunicated on a Thursday, and that next conference or next weekend was conference. And there were a few talks given in there. I particularly remember um Elder Nelson at the time giving the talk about the the father and son that made the work to get baptized, the ones that had the daughters that had passed, and the daughters came to President Nelson in the dream. Do you remember that talk? Trying to. Um I had he had been their heart surgeon, and they they died during surgery, and the father and son left the church as a result of that. They were mad at him. Okay. Years years later, he had this dream. Those girls came to him in a dream and told asked him to go. They're like, We're not sealed anybody. Can you go and talk to our dad? And he did. And he talked about the journey of the father and the son in getting re-baptized temple, you know, worthy. Okay. So that obviously had a lot of impact on me. And the other one was um President Newcdorf gave the talk about the the building in Dresden, like an old cathedral that had been bombed during the war and how it had been rebuilt. Um and so that those two talks really were were I felt like they were just for me. Yeah, sure a lot of people felt that way, but uh they were definitely for me. Um, I wish I could say everything got better right away. It was, but it was quite a journey. Um but I will say that there was a time shortly after that I was just praying for God to take me. I felt like such a failure. All I could think about is my my kids, the everyone I'd ever taught on a mission, the people in our elders' quorum. Um, how I had just I guess you know, like a sport athletic player, like, coach, take me out of the game. Like I I'm messing everything up. I had lost everything that I thought gave me any worth or value. Like I had cherished holding the priesthood. I felt like that was the only good thing about me. Um I ended up losing my boys for the most part. Um my membership in the church. Uh the church was everything to me. Which seems ironic given my behavior and the things that I did, but I didn't want to commit suicide because I didn't want my kids to deal with that. And but I just begged, you know, please just take me home. And can't remember the verse exactly, but in John it talks about how my father and I will come make our abode with you. And the answer to that prayer was no, not gonna bring you home, but I will come to you. And I'll never forget that feeling of just laying in the fetal position on my bed, feeling like I was being held in his arms. And the love that I felt. It was so powerful, and it changed everything. Because from that moment on, I knew he loved me, and it had nothing to do with being a priesthood holder, it had nothing to do with doing my own teaching, had nothing so I didn't have any of that, and he still loved me just because of me, because I'm a son, and that began the process. It was still a long journey of healing and um, I went through periods where I was still seeking healing through other ways. I remember that the the day I was excommunicated, you know, in my in my pride, I remember telling the state president, I'll be back here in a year, year to the day, um, ready to be rebaptized. And oh man. Um, I'll talk a little bit more about the um the rush that the church can put on things as far as ordinances and things that I am like, yeah. Don't let I agree with that. I had I had to go through so much. I had so many hurts, and it was uh, you know, we talk so much about the covenant path, and I think so often we get the idea that it's just this straight line, you know, hitting the checkpoints. But my experience is it's more like checkpoint why you know checkpoint why um covenant path can be pretty windy, and as an example, um just where I was emotionally worth, I I still was sexually active. Um my God was so patient with me through that, and it was a journey of gradual progression. Initially, there were a couple of hookups, and that felt horrible. Um, I just remember driving home from those, just feeling dead inside, and but eventually that progressed to you know friends with benefits, I guess, kind of thing, but at least there's some amount of relationship, and then that progressed to um only a monog, you know, monogamous type relationship. And this was all pretty quick because it was less than a year later that I'd remarried, I think. Um so this was all in kind of short order, but I remember meeting with divorced shortly after the excommunication, yes. We did we did go through a period um trying to reconcile. I um we did marriage counseling. I remember I like just making an effort to write letters, emails, just trying to rebuild the relationship. But during the we were in therapy, and I remember at one point we had primarily been talking about her, what she needed, things I needed to do to help rebuild trust, and and we'd we'd gone through that, and I'd been working on those things, and and then the therapist was like, Okay, let's talk about your husband. Like, what do you need? And my wife was like, Oh, that don't matter. You know, she had told me things like that before. I I'd brought up things in our marriage that you know, hey, and she just her comments would generally just be like, Well, you knew that's how I was when you married me, so you're out of luck. I'm not, you know, and so I I realized that I didn't matter, my needs didn't matter to her, and it wasn't long after that I was finally able in therapy to be able to be honest and and find that courage to say what I should have said a long time ago and say, I don't love you and I don't want to be married to you. And so it was actually me that asked for the divorce. But I had also by that time, um, as I had been going into therapy, I started to get the sense of addiction, and I asked the therapist, can you just treat me as if I have an addiction? And I remember one of the things that she taught me early on was this acronym called HALT. That she's like, you know, you normally when people act out on some type of addiction, they're either hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. And boy, did I find that to be true? Like most of those periods when I would act out on the pornography that it was something in that nature. And I did that was a huge help right off the bat when I learned to just take care of myself and oh, if I'm hungry, eat. If I'm angry, uh angry was never really my thing. I've I've never been an angry person, but the lonely and tired were very common. I um was very busy helping with kids, like I'd go to my practice, come home for lunch, take pick up the kids, do things like I was just very busy, very tired often. Um so I just learned that well, if you're tired, rest. And if you're lonely, reach out to somebody. It was so powerful. I remember one night after we had separated, I was really feeling the urge to look at pornography, and I got a text from somebody, and I just called them. And by the time we got off the conversation, the whole urge was gone. And I'm like, that works so well. Like, um, but one of the things I'd I just realized in going to so I started going to the addiction recovery class, and um boy, I'll tell you that that I wish church would could be like those meetings. I wish our elders' quorum could be like that to be in a room with with men who are being so vulnerable and loving and supportive of each other, not judging. I guess uh we'll probably talk a little bit about that too, but um, the judging that that can go on, but that was wonderful. But after a period of time, but I did realize in there like I will never beat this if I stay married to her. She is my trigger, like she generally was most often my trigger that would drive me to to look at pornography, and and I was like, this is killing me. I this is like life or death for me spiritually, like I I can't, and so I remember being in one of those meetings and telling everyone like that I know this isn't um what the church would probably agree, but I'm I'm gonna divorce my wife, and and you know, just kind of announcing it there. And and honestly, some of the guys in there too. I'm like, I don't I don't think I told them to, I don't remember, but I'm like, I feel like you're in the same situation. If if your wife can't forgive you and and let it go, and I don't blame her for that, but it'll just be a continual back and forth, like you need that, and we all need to be able to be forgiven. Um but at any rate, that was just uh yeah, that that addiction recovery was and that's step four. Well, that's really where most of the healing started was that moral inventory and just getting everything out. Boy, I had a closet full of stuff, and it I can't even tell you just getting that out, how good that felt, and um, but I do remember, so as I was starting to date again, I remember this was part of my healing journey too. Was um the therapist told me, he's like, Look, if you're gonna date, you know, I told him I was ready to start like dating for real, you know, like trying to actually find something for marriage, not just for fun. And but he's like, You've got to tell them right away. You like you need to let them know your history, like, don't let it's not fair if you let them build a liking to you and then dump that on them, you know. So that was uh so good for me, and one just to help overcome the the dishonesty that I'd had in my life up to that point, and thank goodness um for Brene Brown, I don't know if you've heard of her, but uh she has some great books that were so powerful and influential to me. But one of the things that I learned from her was that don't um was authenticity. So when you're going into a room or a relationship, if your goal is to be accepted by that person, it's gonna feel like defeat if you're rejected. But if your goal is to be authentic, then you'll feel good whether you're Rejected or not. And that was so true. That was so powerful. And I loved it. I telling my story over, I did a lot of dates, but I couldn't go on. I I don't think I've ever gone on very many second dates. If I went on a third, it was like I if there was any semblance of commitment, like I was gone. Um, because I had felt so caged up, and that was such a a huge fear um of being back in a relationship where I didn't feel like I could be myself. Yeah, um, so I didn't go on very many second dates, but those all those first dates were great. I I got to share my story, and you know, some of them were like therapeutic. And I it was so therapeutic. But I and I told I'm like, well, this is gonna be great. A lot of uh this is gonna be successful. You know, yeah, here's the catch. This guy's cheated. Because you know, everyone's mentality is once a cheater, always a cheater. Like that's such a common mindset and and frame of mind. So I was like, well, this isn't gonna work too well, but what you know, okay. But surprisingly, um, a lot of those first dates were not with members of the church, and I purposely avoided members of the church because I wasn't ready. Um, I didn't want to pursue a member of the church until I was ready to to live a member uh, you know what I mean. And but anyway, that was so good and therapeutic for me to be able to share my story over and over again and just to be like I said, to be honest, and it felt so good to be honest. Um, that's such an important thing to me now. And so that went on for some time, but I I remember my bishop talking about where I was getting to the point where he's like, Let's get rebaptized. I was like, Well, I my only problem is, and at this point, I was no longer really sexually active, but I also was like, I don't know that I can date somebody, I'm not I'm not gonna get married real fast, I'm not gonna make that mistake, and I don't know if I could date somebody for six months a year and not have sex, and and I don't want to get re-baptized only to be excommunicated again, and so that was the reality, but then I met my second wife, Christy, and that changed everything, and I realized I could do it, and we dated for six months and got married, and we got married in September, and then just after Thanksgiving that year, so just a couple months later, um, she went into the hospital because she was having some digestive issues, and after a week of being in the hospital, um, found out that she had had stage four stomach cancer that had already spread everywhere, and um, she passed away the following May. But that time with her, though short, was very sweet, and it was so much healing took place during that for me as well. That I considered that a living amends for myself because I never was able to do that for my ex-wife. I was never able to be the honest, be the true and faithful. And when she did pass, I I was laying there by the or sitting there kneeling by her bedside, and I I felt a glimpse of what maybe what Christ felt when he said it is finished. And it had been such a a long go of being in the hospital, trying to keep practicing, going back and forth um from the hospital and doing the hospice care, and it it was um definitely exhausting, but so happy to do it, and um but I felt God I felt his approval. I knew that he was pleased, and he's like, You were faithful, and that changed my mindset from being a cheater to to being somebody that's faithful, and that was so important for me, um to for that. Um because of everything entailed in that, I was like really burned out with my practice at the time, and and of course I'm starting to feel like well, what what do I do now? Like what God, what uh direction do you want me to go? I I'd learned by that point. Um it doesn't do a lot of good. There's a couple of questions God doesn't answer, I don't think, at least He doesn't for me, and that's one of them's why? Why is this happening? Why and uh the other one's like when? Like, when is this gonna happen? When uh um I found the the the best question to ask God is what what would you have me do? And I was feeling this urge to or feeling go go up to Utah. My ex-wife had moved up to Utah. Um and so I thought I was just gonna have to walk away from my practice. I went in a meet with um my divorce attorney just to ask about well, is it if I move up to there, is there any ramifications from that or with our decree? And um, he's like, Oh, I my nephew is a chiropractor in Gilbert, he wants to go out to Queen Creek. I was practicing in Queen Creek, Arizona at the time, and so I was able to end up selling my practice to him. And it was funny. I just I remember I was driving up to Utah and I still didn't have a place to live, set in stone because I my credit was horrible, you know, after all the divorce and everything, like I I had no credit, so nobody would rent to me. I couldn't get approved on an application. I had finally found a guy that owned a place, and I was like, um, because of the life insurance money I'd gotten, I was like, I can just I can pay for the whole year in advance if that and so I was working that, but it wasn't even figured out yet if that would happen. So I'm driving up there in my moving truck, and um I just stayed one night in a hotel and then we got that all arranged, and the next day I was able to move into that place. But um sometimes um I'm pretty good at at feeling a nudge from the spirit and acting on it, but I sometimes that my problem is I I feel like I know why I'm getting that nudge. Yeah, and so I went up there thinking that oh, this is because I'm gonna get equal time with my boys now, they're gonna come live with me, and we're gonna be able to rebuild the relationship, and that just didn't happen. Um they were they were comfortable living where they were with their mom, and you know, they did come over and spend time with me, and we did a couple of fun trips and things there, but they didn't really have any desire to come and live in the the apartment I had or condo, whatever that was. But um, and that was okay, but I didn't want to, I wasn't gonna try to force them, you know, I wanted them to be comfortable, but it it definitely wasn't I went up there with the wrong expectation for sure, and that caused further issues with them, unfortunately. Um, but after being up there almost a year, I'd met my who I'm married to now. I met her two weeks before I moved. Okay. So I I had done this dance lesson. We we did a dance lesson together, wasn't looking to date or anything. I just I was finally getting to the point where I was like, yeah, I think I'm ready to go out and start living. And so I thought swing dance country swing dancing was something I had wanted to do before, and I'd done a little bit with my second wife, but we'd never got to pursue it because of the cancer. And so if a friend I had met, um, I knew that he was doing that and he arranged a dance lesson, and so I got set up for that, and we just really hit it off, and we spent the whole week. I think we spent every night together. Um, and of course, I'm like, Well, I'm I'm moving to Utah. She's like, Of course, you know. But and I'm like, I just assumed it wasn't gonna work out because I I was not a fan or a believer in long distance relationships, I didn't think those were a good idea or would work, but um I made a lot of drives you know, and flights from Utah back down here during that time. But usually if if my boys didn't want to reach out to them on a weekend, but if they didn't want to do anything, like, well, I don't know. I want to set up here alone, so I'd either drive home or get a flight. That was um part of that was during COVID, so the flights were great at that time. You could get on a plane, there'd be like five, six other people on the plane going to the airport, and like nobody's there, you just walk right up to the gate and go in. Oh, I missed that. That was the best time you travel ever. But um, but with COVID hitting, I was uh basically living off that life insurance because my the entire paycheck that I got went to my ex-wife, and so it wasn't sustainable for me to stay up there. And being that my my boys weren't wanting that level of a relationship with me at that time. I'm like, well, I'm gonna financially and and just emotionally, I'm gonna go home. I want to be stuff, I want to be with somebody that wants to be with me, and yeah, so I moved back home, but that did hurt my son, especially my youngest son. Um I know that was hard for him, and that that increased the that uh divide between us for some time. But anyway, so I I moved back down here. Um with a lot of healing with uh to go through still relationship-wise when you've been through those things. My my wife now and I, man, as we were dating, we'd I felt like every two or three weeks we'd kind of break up for a while, go, you know, you'd you'd step on a landmine and trigger something in each other, and you know, so we both had a lot of fears that had to be overcome. Um, but I think a lot of those fears that develop in relationships can only be healed in relationships too. And so that was hard. Um, I had to be uncomfortable a lot of times, but I but I realized I'm like, well, I can either I'm not gonna be a controlling type person, I'm not gonna ask her to change. So I either have to accept it, I have to accept her as she is, or I have to walk away. And I didn't want to walk away, so I had to just learn to be uncomfortable until it wasn't uncomfortable anymore. And that that's the beauty of it. Eventually, you realize oh that yeah, they're they're safe, they're a safe person to be with. So we have a wonderful marriage. Um, she's not a member of the church, and when I started dating her, I and I could tell, like, okay, this is definitely serious. Um, I asked God about that. And I'm like, you know, she's not a member of the church, right? And I got a very distinct answer, you know. He's just like, you just love her and let me worry about that. And yeah, that's what I've done. I just do my best to love her, and we have a great relationship, and um, it's funny. She'll she'll be like, she's like, I feel bad. I'm gonna keep you from that highest level of heaven. Um, she lived in Utah for she was in St. George for a few years, she was in Farmington for a few years. So she's fairly familiar with the church and unfortunately had some not so great experiences with members, you know, not not letting their kids play with her kids and and things like that. So um she kind of felt that way when she found out I was LDS, she's like, really God? You got a sense of humor. Um but yeah, I think there's been a lot of healing there with with me and and with my family being so accepting of her and everything. That that's helped heal some of those wounds for her, but that's good.

Scott Brandley:

Yeah. So you got rebaptized?

Clint Huston:

Yes, sorry. Uh the the rebaptism came shortly before getting married to my second wife, Christy. Oh, okay. Yeah. And then my temple restoration was last July. So that was after getting married to Erica. Yeah.

Scott Brandley:

Wow.

Clint Huston:

What a journey. It was a it was a journey, but it's a beautiful ending. You know, the where it talks about Christ making beauty from ashes. Um to look where I was. I um you've seen the movie Force Gump.

Scott Brandley:

Oh, yeah.

Clint Huston:

So I call it running. And this is what I did most of those few months after. You know how when he goes through, I don't remember exactly what happens, but he's really hurt by Jenny and he just starts running, right? He's running back and forth across the country until all of a sudden one day he just doesn't feel the need to run anymore. And yeah, I I felt such a connection to that, but I'm like, well, that's what I was doing. Um running, we're we're hustling, trying to find what we need. What we don't realize is we all need the same thing, and we all got it for the same reason. Like because of the fall, we were spiritually separated from God, and it's his love, is what we're all missing. It's what everyone's seeking for, they just don't know it, and we're all chasing different things. Like, even my second wife, Christy, I remember her um being single. She was like going all over to visiting temples in California and Utah, you know, just going to all these temples. And I'm like, why do you why do you feel the need to do that? And I'm like, I I get you're doing something good, but do you think God cares what temple you're in? Do you think he cares if you're going to California or going to, or you know, it to me it was still a form of running. I see it all the time in people. I'm like, oh, they're still running, they they'll find their rest. But um, I can tell you it feels so good to finally be at a place of peace and rest. And oh, I wouldn't trade that for anything in the world.

Scott Brandley:

That's awesome. Wow, man. So um, you know, I think I think God does have a sense of humor. I also think that that it's true where he forgives us 70 times seven, right?

Clint Huston:

Oh yes, he is so patient. That that was one thing that I came away with is he is so patient with us. And he's not I think what really surprised me is he he's not near the hurry we are, and that was that was kind of the like I had an instance where my my state president's like, let's get you um, you know, your temple blessings restored, and I'm like, well, take that up with God because I'm behind on my, you know, after the the death of of Christy, I got behind on my spousal maintenance and child support. And I'm like, I'm doing everything I can to get caught up, and I wish God was in a bigger hurry about this. You know, I wish he was in as big of a hurry as I am, but he doesn't seem to be, so you gotta talk to him about that, and but I I just I found that so often in the church, we're always like doing things on a timetable instead of instead of a heart level, and um like somebody needs to be to the temple a year, you know, exactly a year after they're baptized, or they need to be baptized at eight years old. They need to, and instead of doing those things when we're ready and when God's gotten us ready. So I'm a I'm a big fan of giving God time, let him do the work on people, because he does, but he I don't know, in some things it seems like it goes fast, but other things he doesn't seem like he's in a real big hurry about it. So I don't know. I I was like, I knew I was good. That was that was the best part about it. Like even before I was rebaptized, I'm like, I wasn't afraid of it. Um I'm like, even if I die, that's why we have temples, that's why there's ordinance work for the dead. Um, as long as we're we're moving in the that right direction, it'll all work out. And I I joke about that with my wife now about the you know her holding me back. I'm like, look, either way, if I'm wrong, one of the things I love about her is that she is a such a devoted follower of Christ. Like I we we read the Bible nearly every morning, um frequently have conversations, talk. I usually go to church with her as well as go to to ours. And we I never had that with either of my two previous LDS wives, um, that type of level of relationship, but I'm I'm like, I'm not worried about it. So I tell I told her, um, well, if if I'm wrong, then it doesn't matter, like we'll just be in heaven, whatever. And if I'm right, you're gonna follow God, like you'll do it when you realize it's right, you know. So, like, either way, I like I don't care, I'm not gonna stress about it. It's uh it's an act of faith, and and I think that's one thing that um sometimes members put too much trust in just the actions. One thing I recognize through being excommunicated is you see the church differently, and I could see how there's a lot of Pharisee behavior out there. Um, a lot of people taking security in the fact that they were married in the temple or security that they were that this or that, instead of security in their relationship with God. And you know, you do realize none of those ordinances matter if they're not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, right? Like the otherwise it's just a dead work, it's no different than the Pharisees who are proud of all their things that they did, you know. And yeah, like I feel like there's a lot of I remember, oh, marry a return missionary. Like there's this safety of just, oh, you're main or returned missionary, everything's gonna be good. There are a lot of disappointed women out there who you know who thought that everything was gonna be great because their husband was a returned missionary, you know. It's such a matter of the heart, and sometimes we've I think we put too much trust and safety in those outward things. And um, I look at those as like uh wearing a wedding ring, you know, it's it's symbolic, it it does this, but that's not what makes a good marriage. You know, just because I have a wedding ring on doesn't mean that my relationship with my wife is where it needs to be.

Scott Brandley:

And so that's good insight. I mean, we do we're we we're in charge of ourselves, right? Of our own salvation, but when we're married, we should help the other person too, right?

Clint Huston:

Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing I definitely learned is um, you know, it's interesting, Christ. If you if you read in I think Third Nephi chapter nine, when after all the destruction and they hear Christ's voice from heaven, he spells out repeatedly what our responsibility is and what his is. And so much we take we try to do what only he can do, and what he said repeatedly is coming to me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit. That's really that's our part. Like that's it. I tried for decades to beat pornography. You can't beat an addiction, you can't on your own. And I always wondered, you know, I always hear people say, give give something to God or turn it over to him. I didn't know how to do that. I'm like, how do you do that? Um, for me, the way to do that was to surrender and to quit trying to do it myself. My like healing from pornography was in an instant. I didn't even know it had changed until I moved into this house, and you know how they you like you sign up to get internet and cable they give you like all the channels for a week, you know. I remember I was home one night and I was just flipping through channels and I came across porn and I got this repulsed feeling and just like ugh and quickly changed it. And I was like, oh my gosh. I did, I hadn't even realized, and like right now, my wife's gone to New Zealand, her son's took he graduated high school, went to New Zealand, he's been over there surfing and just living, and so she's gone for a couple weeks to go be with him. And you know, a few years ago, I would have been like, Oh, this is my chance to you know look at porn and not have to worry about now she does that, and I'm like, Oh, I wonder what God, you know, has got in store for me while she's gone. Like, what kind of things is he gonna want me to do? And it's but it was that instantaneous. And I just found that I remember an authority that came to our mission telling I remember I'm reading the scripture and Dr. Kim's like the work of God cannot be frustrated, it's only the work of man that can be frustrated. And I've learned that it's so true. Like, so if if I start feeling frustrated about things in my life, I have to sit back and be like, what are you trying to control? Like, what are you trying to force happen, and what are you not letting God do for you? Because um, to me, that's a telltale sign that I'm trying to force something to happen the way I think it should, or the way I want it to. Yeah, and I've I think there's a great example in the book of Mosiah when it you have the the account of Xenoph's people, right? And they're they're in bondage to the Lamanites and they can't be delivered. They keep trying to fight them, they keep going out and they get to, you know, they get worse, um more damage and killing every time they do it, until they finally give up and they surrender and they reach out to God, and then he sends in, you know, that that group that helps lead them out. And then you have Alma's people that are in the same situation, they're just there being good, minding their own business. And here comes Amulon and his people, and they're in bondage, and they can't deliver themselves. But the interesting thing is in both cases, they both get delivered, but the experience is very different. And I would encourage people to go the route that Alma's people went. Um, that was a much better experience that miraculous delivery and having their burdens lifted while they were under bondage versus the other group that was why crying and mourning because of all the death and and destruction leading up to their deliverance. I have learned that putting trust in God is where true peace comes from. When we're trying to do it ourselves or trying to do it our way, that that generally leads to frustration.

Scott Brandley:

That's a great lesson, Clint. And it's counterintuitive to human nature, right? Because we feel like we have to dig ourselves out of the hole, we have to do the thing, but to give it to God, let him let him help us. And usually that's the last thing we want to do, especially as guys, I think. I don't know why, but yeah, sure would be a lot easier if we did it God's way.

Clint Huston:

Well, we kind of grew up with that culture in the church, though, and it probably goes back to that whole verse after you've done all you can do. Like we we we have this mentality, and I'm not saying we don't have a part to do, but that part we do is generally surrender. It's it's coming with a broken heart and contrite spirit and being willing to let God guide our footsteps and and just doing our best to follow the spirit. But yeah, we grew up in this mentality that you know, we really can sometimes be guilty. One of the things when I go to my wife's non-denominational church, I feel like we're at we got the two extremes, right? They're they're very big on the by grace you were saved, and they you don't have to do anything, you know, you just say this prayer and you're good. Um, but on the other hand, sometimes we put I think too much emphasis on our works saving us, and you know they do, but I don't know, it's just all different now. Like I still do good works, but I do them for a very different reason than I did before. Before I was hustling, like trying to get earn God's love. I was trying to earn his blessings and earn his now, I just do it out of gratitude and appreciation because he rescued me from something I couldn't save myself from. I was in bondage and I could not deliver myself, and and that um that the process of being reborn was very interesting. I I didn't realize how literal it was. There were two two things that would happen. Sometimes I'd I'd I'd just be like on my bed, and one, I would get this intense, and I I can only think that this must be the baptism of fire. But there were times when I would get so hot that I felt like I would is gonna combust. I was literally expecting my body to just combust into flames, but I could tell I knew I was being purged. I knew God was taking stuff out of me. And the other sensation I would often felt is I would just it was like every muscle in my body would contract and I would just I felt like I was just being squeezed and pressed. And I remember one day reading about Gethsemane, the word Gethsemane means press. And and I thought about that too, that he was pressing that out of me. But I also thought, is this what it would feel like to go through a birth canal? Is is that that's why I think what it felt like just these um they were very literal sensations, that feeling of being born again. Um such a beautiful thing. It was so wonderful to feel like you have a new lease on life, like you're you're fresh, you're new. I remember I I left addiction recovery. I I'd been there, I don't know, I went a few months, and I remember sitting there and with the spirit, it's just like you don't belong here anymore. And I knew I didn't. I'm like, this is not a part of me, this is not who I am. That's one thing I don't really necessarily agree with. My wife now is a recovered alcoholic, and um so we've been through similar things in that regard, but sometimes, you know, they still go to a meeting and they announce I'm so-and-so I'm an alcoholic. And I'm like, I can't say that anymore. That wouldn't be honest. I I am not that person anymore. I have been born again. That's not who I am now. So I guess that's like the one, and everyone needs to follow their own path on that. I know some people feel called to stay in that program and assist others through it, but for me, I knew I needed to walk away, and that having pornography brought up around me again would just would not be beneficial or helpful to me in any way. That that was not part of me, and I needed to leave that behind and move forward.

Scott Brandley:

Right. Yeah, I think we're all on our own journey and we all need different help at different points of time, right? So yeah, yeah. Well, this has been awesome, Clint. Uh oh man, I I really appreciate you being so open and honest. And I I think that that's rare, honestly, to uh to have the courage, which is kind of ironic because you lived your life kind of in this uh, I don't know, um trying to get away from being being the brave one and and you know, like having that courage to say what you feel. And so coming on here and actually being so vulnerable, I mean that takes a lot of strength, right? So I really appreciate it. Um kind of shows how far you've come in your journey.

Clint Huston:

It's interesting, and my patriarchal blessing, there's one phrase that says, My beloved son, how powerful thou art. How powerful thou art. It repeats it. And I chose to believe the lie that I was weak. You know, it took me until this point to realize no, I am, I am powerful. I can um, because I have a relationship with Christ who can do all things, you know, not that I'm powerful, but he is, and if I surrender to him, there's nothing we can't do.

Scott Brandley:

Right, yeah. Well, I really appreciate it, and I'm sure the the people that are listening do too. So thanks for being willing to share and and having that change in your life.

Clint Huston:

Well, I got a lot of practice during the dating period. Yeah, that's where that vulnerability developed for sure.

Scott Brandley:

Right, yeah. All those first dates. Oh man.

Clint Huston:

Well, what's that movie with Adam Sandler, 50 First Dates? That could have been the title of my movie, I guess, something like that.

Scott Brandley:

Yeah. As we kind of wrap things up here, any last thoughts you'd like to share with the audience?

Clint Huston:

Um, just I I hope that my story can be a benefit to somebody. That's why I wanted to share it. I I had watched one of your episodes. Um it was the gentleman that had been a bishop and was having a second secret marriage going on and everything. Oh yeah. You know, I I I read some of the comments and there was quite a bit of judgment against him. And I'm like, you know, I some people just don't understand how crazy you can be when you're in the midst of of trauma deep hurts and things. Um, we do things that the longer I live, the more convinced I am that of the demonic forces against us. It's interesting to me that almost everyone Christ healed before he healed them, he cast an evil spirit out of them. And I don't know why we don't do that as much today. I've often wondered that, but I think I definitely had evil spirits that were putting voices in my head, and a lot of that leads to a lot of that crazy behavior. And um, we need to cast those out of us. And and that's you know, in the temple, that's the first thing they do when they come to Adam and Eve is cast Satan out of their midst, and um is priesthood holders. Let's do that for our families, let's do that for our kids, let's cast Satan out of our midst. And um enjoy the blessings, but let's be easy on each other. Life is hard. Um yeah, let's be less judgmental of each other, and that's one of the great blessings that came out of this for me. Is like I can well, I can't judge anybody anymore. I used to be like that. Um and sometimes we can just be so harsh to each other. I I hope we can get better at just loving each other.

Scott Brandley:

And yeah, yeah, I agree. I one thing, I mean, I've been doing this podcast for almost four years now, every every Sunday. And I've got to meet a lot of different people and and hear a lot of people's stories. And you know, one thing that I've learned is that God truly does love us and that he does forgive us. It doesn't matter what we've done, there's a way to get forgiveness and have that peace in your life.

Clint Huston:

Yes. Yes, I I get up almost every month in testimony meeting. I just I can't. I am so grateful. I'd love to testify of Christ and his love and power to forgive and heal.

Scott Brandley:

Well, now you got a podcast out there telling that story for everyone that listens to it.

Clint Huston:

So somebody, yeah.

Scott Brandley:

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure lots of people will hear this and they'll it'll help them in their life, right? Like that's the whole reason we do this is hopefully share some light out there. Yeah.

Clint Huston:

So well, and I'm open to conversing with anyone if you know, I guess leave something in a comment or something. Um, you know, if anyone would be interested in talking, I'd I'd love to talk and share and listen.

Scott Brandley:

Well, thanks, Clint, for being on. Um, and thanks everyone for tuning in to hear Clint's story. Um again, we we usually ask at the end of every episode hit that share button, do your five-second missionary work, and let's get Clint's story out there to the people that need to hear it. And if you have a story that you'd like to share, go to latterdaylights.com or email us at latterdaylights at gmail.com. So thanks again, Clint, for being on. Thanks for everyone for tuning in, and we'll talk to you next week with another episode of Latterday Lights. Take care. Okay, we'll make it disappear with magical editing.

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