Ep. 132 - Paralyzed Weeks After Birth—Her Comeback Will Break You

They said she'd never walk again. They were dead wrong.

Holly's battle with Guillain-Barré Syndrome left her paralyzed and fighting for her life. Now she's fighting to tell her story—raw, unfiltered, and without permission. This isn't your typical medical recovery podcast. It's a brutal awakening to what happens when your body betrays you and the healthcare system fails you simultaneously.

Each week, Holly exposes the harsh realities of GBS recovery that doctors don't warn you about, shares battle-tested strategies that actually work, and interviews survivors who refused to become statistics.

Your body may have limitations, but your spirit shouldn't be one of them.

Follow Holly's journey: Instagram: @hollyaftergbs Facebook: facebook.com/hollyaftergbs YouTube: youtube.com/hollyaftergbs

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Chapters

• 0:00 Stoy’s powerful opening on survival & resilience
• 2:12 Holly’s life before everything changed
• 4:12 The first signs of something terrifyingly wrong
• 7:42 The diagnosis: Guillain-Barré Syndrome
• 8:12 Paralysis sets in—Holly loses her ability to walk and breathe
• 10:12 “I wanted to die” — the ICU mental toll
• 11:12 The survivor who changed everything
• 13:12 Relearning how to walk, mother, and live again
• 15:12 What courage really means in the darkest moments
• 17:12 Turning pain into purpose: Holly’s viral advocacy
• 19:12 Finding strength through community
• 21:12 Writing “Life Support” and helping others heal
• 25:12 The financial reality of illness & recovery
• 27:12 Holly’s first money memory & lessons from scarcity
• 28:12 Final words: Why your voice, your story, your fight matters

Transcript

Stoy: 1:12

You think you've had it hard in life and been through a lot of shit and came out on the other side? Well, today's guest, Holly, is probably one of the most, I guess, impressive guests that we've had who's gone through so much and turned it into. Something great and it's continuing to build on that, which is amazing. And so I really wanted to have you on Holly, specifically to go through what you talk, what you go through, but also the transition for you and using that as a positive light in today's world. We are going through a lot and to have a story like this and to have people back behind it is, is something truly amazing. So I appreciate you coming on.

Holly Frances: 1:47

Ll I really appreciate you having me on and, you know, giving me an opportunity to talk about what I went through and just share my experiences and, uh, hopefully gives your listeners some really good tidbits to take away.

Stoy: 1:59

Yeah. So, well, without further ado, let's dive into it. They're all thinking like, well, what the hell is this? Who, what are you talking about? What you been through? So talk us through what you went through and, and how you're doing.

Holly Frances: 2:10

So this all happened about, it would've been about 14 years ago. So a while now. Uh, I was 26 years old at the time. I was healthy. I was just a normal 26-year-old. I, um, actually had just been recently married. I was, uh, you know, living life. To the fullest. And I was a brand new mom, so I had just given birth to my daughter actually three weeks per prior. So it was just like a really exciting time in my life. For me it was like the start of everything, you know, marriage, babies that, that family life and that's what I wanted so badly. And so then when I had, when I had my daughter, you know, I had a little girl that was just my dreams come true. And I was at home and life was just incredible. And I remember thinking like just. This is it. This is what I've always wanted. And I was at home and I was adjusting to life as being a brand new mom. You know, I, I was adjusting to breastfeeding, waking up in the middle of the night, and it was exhausting. And I was like in over my head, but I loved it. Like just absolutely loved it. But very quickly, things just. Quickly, drastically changed. So I was at home. My daughter's three weeks old and it was like, it was, it was this huge blistering snowstorm out. It was freezing cold. It had been that way the whole time since my daughter was born. So I barely even left the house. I hadn't even really introduced her to much family and friends yet. I figured we had so much time together. And in that night it first started, I had this weird, strange tingle in my fingertip and. When you have a tingle in your fingertip, you think like maybe you burned yourself. You don't think that it's anything serious. And as time went on, you know, after a couple of hours, all of a sudden I had this weird tingle in my back and this weird pain in my neck and it was like, okay, what's going on? Like, why do I feel like this? I thought maybe I had a pinch nerve. I actually Googled it and was like, what's going on with my neck? And that's what Google told me. You've got a pinched nerve. So I just tried to ignore it, but the pain in my neck and my back just got worse and worse, and I started to just feel really drained and tired. And I was walking around the house and I was like, oh, it just feels really hard to walk. I again was like, you know what? I haven't slept much in the last three weeks with the new babies, so it's probably just, I needed a good night's sleep. So I, I went to bed that night and I, I remember walking up the stairs and I remember having to hold onto the railing and going, like, it's really difficult for me to lift up my legs again. I just need to go to bed. I'll wake up tomorrow and I'm gonna be fine. So I went to bed and I had this neck pain that just would not go away. So I am, again, online Googling stuff. Googling stretches, like how do I get a neck, neck pain to go away? And I'm doing all these yoga poses and it's not going away. It's not getting better. And eventually, you know, I, I'm on the floor doing these different exercises and stretches. My daughter wakes up in the middle of the night so that she can nurse, and I stood up from the floor and my legs buckled and, and completely gave out on me. So at that point I knew, you know, I, something is a lot more serious. If it, if it is a pinch nerve, then it's affecting my ability to really walk. So I was able to like stand back up and get myself to the hospital. And I remember at the time just thinking like, okay. I, uh, my ex-husband, my, my daughter's father, I remember telling him, just drop me off. I'm only gonna be here probably for a couple of hours. There's no point in you coming here. I don't want my newborn here, so just drop me off. I'll call you in a few hours. And I had no idea that that would be the last time that I would step foot outta that hospital for three months, over three months.

Stoy: 5:44

See that is a lot. Right. People listening, I told you it, she went through a lot in a very small period of time to go through one of those events, whether that's getting married or having a kid or then getting sick is enough, but to have all three happening basically at the same time in the middle of winter, which is always a depressing time as well. Like you could not have struck out more. Oh my gosh. I know.

Holly Frances: 6:06

I know. So I went into the hospital and I was very fortunate that I seen some doctors that, you know, it was, it was very quiet that night because it was a snow storm. And they said like, you know, yeah, you are very weak and you seem to be in a lot of pain and there's definitely something going on here, but we don't know what that is, so we're gonna call a specialist to come take a look at you. So I was very grateful that they, you know. Passed me off to somebody that they thought might know. And that doctor, by the time he came down to see me, I was struggling to walk. I could almost barely walk anymore. And he said, I think I know what you have. I think it's this rare disease called Gure syndrome. And I remember at the time thinking like, I've never heard of that. I don't even know what that is. Like it's this syndrome. What? What do you mean a disease? Like I really was just so lost in my head, like, okay. Okay, I'm gonna need some medication then, and then I'm gonna go home. Okay. And he was like, no, this is very serious. So basically what Gure Syndrome is, is it's a rare autoimmune disorder, and it's very similar to like ms. Multiple sclerosis. So with Ms. Basically your immune system is attacking your, your brain and, and some of your nerves. And with GBS very similar. It's attacking the nerves that are not a part of your brain. So basically every other nerve in your body. And what it does is it stops your body from being able to transmit signals, which then stops you from being able to really move your body. So he said, you know, this could be serious. We don't know all cases of GBS can be. You know, from either mild to severe, so you need to stay at the hospital until we know we need to monitor you. And I said, I can't. I gotta go home. I have a new newborn. Newborn. I gotta breastfe, I gotta breastfeed. Like, sorry guys, I gotta go. And he was like, no, like you're not leaving, you're being admitted. Like this is very serious. You need. Immediately. And so they came to the hospital and very quickly my case went downhill. I within, within 12 hours, I was completely bedridden, and within 72 hours of arriving at the hospital, the paralysis had actually spread upwards, affected my ability to breathe, and I was put in ICU on a ventilator.

Stoy: 8:21

No thank you. On that. And so how long were you on the ventilator then? The re the, the rest of the time basically.

Holly Frances: 8:32

Are you still there?

Stoy: 8:33

Yeah, I got it.

Holly Frances: 8:35

So I was on the ventilator for almost three months actually. And I basically, you know, had to learn how to breathe on my own. So I was, I was paralyzed almost the entire time. I couldn't speak, I couldn't hold my daughter, I couldn't move. I was literally bedridden, paralyzed, unable to do anything. And I remember during that entire time, I felt like my life was over. I felt like there really was no hope. The doctors kept telling me, you know, you're gonna get better. Things are gonna improve with GBS. You know, it's a, it's a, an acute disorder, meaning that you're gonna have this attack and then eventually your body's gonna start to recover. You're gonna have to go through physiotherapy, all that sort of stuff. But when I am like paralyzed in ICU and I'm watching my daughter literally grow up before me and I'm not getting better, it was so hard to believe. So I was in a. Very dark place for a long time where I was like, just let me go. Like I don't, I don't think I'm gonna get recover from this. I was in so much pain, emotionally, physically, and there were times where I just wanted to die.

Stoy: 9:39

Right. Rightfully so too. I mean, I. I, I, I, I cannot relate at any level at all, but I'm thinking about those times where like, you're like half asleep, not asleep, and like you can see, but you can't move, like you're in that sleep where you're paralyzed. I could not fathom being stuck that way for three months. Yes. Like just the mental grind and insanity. It was, I remember a time like,

Holly Frances: 10:03

yeah, like staring into, staring up at the clock on the wall and being like, it feels like I've, it's been hours. And then I would look and be like, no, it's been two minutes. Like. That's what I did. Like it was just counting down the time. But eventually I did get better and I was able to start weaning off the ventilator, and that was probably the hardest part of my journey, was just learning to breathe on my own. So it was like being underwater about to run out of air and feeling like you're gonna drown. And I remember. Coming off of that ventilator for like 10 seconds at a time and crying and being like hysterical and being like, I can't do this. I'm not gonna be able to do this. And the doctors and nurses they saw, they were like, you know what? She's really losing hope. She doesn't wanna do this. So they actually found another GBS survivor to come see me, and he came to the hospital and he walked in and was like, you know what, I've been in your shoes. I was hospitalized with the same disease. That you had. And look at me now I've recovered. And that was just this huge motivation. And I always tell people, you know, no matter what you're going through. Find the people that have been through it already. You know those are gonna be your people that are gonna help you. Whether they're going, maybe they're going through it now, you guys can help each other. Or somebody that's already on the other side. And that's what he was, he was just like this huge spark of light that kept me going. It was like, you know what? He was where I was. If he can do this, if somebody can do this, then I can too. So that gave me that motivation. Eventually I was able to get off the ventilator. It took weeks of trying and, uh, I was able to get out of ICU and then went to physiotherapy where I did basically everything how to, how to learn, how to hold cutlery, how to hold a cup, how to feed, and I. Basically feed my daughter even at the same time, like I was trying to raise her and get better. Right. So it was, yeah, it was a wild journey. I learned how to walk again eventually. I was in a cane for quite a while and, and a walker and, and a wheelchair at one point. And, uh, came out on the other side and, and had a incredible recovery.

Stoy: 12:10

What were you doing, we didn't talk about this, but touch on what your career was prior to.

Holly Frances: 12:14

So

Stoy: 12:14

I

Holly Frances: 12:14

worked in human resources, which is where I am working as well now.

Stoy: 12:19

And while you were going through all of this, or I, I should back up, how has going through all of that changed your work and changed the way that you operate today? I.

Holly Frances: 12:31

It is changed. My entire perspective on life has changed so various different ways. I mean, I look at people differently just knowing what I went through. Like I remember my family being just so heartbroken and they would spend hours with me and I'm like near death. Like there's many times that I was close to dying and they would. Then have to go grocery shopping. And I would just picture them what it must have been like to walk through the grocery store with their daughter at home or at in the hospital. And like people that were dealing with them would have no idea. And so it made me think of people like that differently. Like I would, I. Now when I'm in in a grocery store, I'm like, you know what? This person might be having a really bad day. They may have a family member fighting for their life in the ICU. Like, you just really don't know what somebody may be going through. So it's given me a lot of compassion. It's given me a lot of compassion for people that deal with health issues. Obviously, I. Went through it myself in ICU, but then after that following for about a year, I was off work still and I was having to get back to my life and I was having to clean and cook and take care of my child, but I still had a lot of residual disabilities. So I was, you know, dealing with pain. I was dealing with weakness and it was just a struggle. And so it really made me. Realize like, you know, we're our health, we're so lucky to have it, and the people that deal with health issues and stuff, like I have just got a lot more compassion

Stoy: 13:58

for. They do. And a part of what we talk about on this podcast all the time is I bring guests on. Everything we talk about is to provide people and let them know they're not alone in their situation. Right. Luckily, we have a platform that people can just listen to or watch or whatever it is. But ultimately it's like we do these things because we want you to know you're not alone in your situation and even in your situation, you felt alone until the other survival came and, and it really helps you recover and move forward. And that's. Ultimately why we're doing this is for that same reason, and no people listening may not, may not have GBS at all. Mm-hmm. Run into it ever. Right. Because it's rare, however, they, they're going through something. Yeah. Can you talk to these people about whether, whatever it is for them that they're going through, um, that can help them. Maybe, maybe just take that first step forward and start, you know, moving forward on their journey. For

Holly Frances: 14:52

sure. It's something that I go back to all the time, and it's something that I actually have posted on my wall. So basically this guy that came to see me that had GBS, he knew what I was going through. He knew the struggles and he knew that. I was like, I just wanna give up. And so he brought me this sign and he. Posted it right in front of me so that I could see it every day, all day long. And it said, it was this quote that said, courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes it's the quiet voice, a day's end saying, I will try again tomorrow. And I remember reading that and just crying and thinking like, okay, courage doesn't always roar when you're in the thick of it and you're going through challenges, you are not feeling strong. You're not. Feeling like you can do this. And that was hard for me because a lot of people were telling me, you're so strong, Holly, you're gonna get through this. And I'm in ICU, I'm on my death bed and I've got a, you know, a ventilator in my throat and I'm going like, I'm not strong. I can't do this. I can't, you, you gotta stop saying that. But then I realized that courage doesn't always roar. That's okay. It can sometimes be you laying there in bed with tears in your eyes saying, I can't do this. I can try again tomorrow. And so that's what I kind of promised myself I would do. And whether that's even for 10 seconds or a minute at a time. Each day I, you try a little bit and then if you give up, you give up, but then you try again tomorrow. And so that's what I've done and I've put that for kind of every challenge that I've been faced with since I obviously had to go through the, the physiotherapy, learning how to walk, which was another challenge. Didn't think that I was going to be able to walk again, but I overcame it and I just kept promising myself, just try again tomorrow, and it's those tiny little improvements that I made eventually got me to where I am today. I.

Stoy: 16:45

And so where you're at today, being successful in what you do and everything, what, at what point did you realize that like, Hey, I wanna help others. Like I need to use this as a tool. At what point did that kind of click in? I.

Holly Frances: 16:58

It's kind of funny'cause it was actually very early. It was probably, probably before I even got out of ICU that I was like, you know what? Like I need to tell people about this disease. Like, I couldn't believe that I had never heard of it. I couldn't believe that, you know, I'm in my twenties. I've never. I'd never even heard of diseases that would affect people in their twenties. I thought people only got sick when they were, like, in their eighties. I was so naive, right? So I was like, I need to spread the word about this rare disease and what it does to somebody. So I kind of knew immediately from that point. And then when I got out of the hospital, I, I knew that it was like, you know what? This man came to see me. I knew that I wanted to do the same. So I got involved with. The GBS foundation here in Canada where, you know, they are sending people, sending previous survivors to go visit people in the hospital, which I did. And it was hard, but very rewarding just to be on the other side of the bed, say, Hey, I've been in your shoes, I have overcome this. You can too. And just give them that hope. Uh, and so since then it just kind of spiraled and, and snowballed into like this drastic life. Like I, I went from. Yeah, working in HR and just being really focused on that, not really having a purpose in my life to suddenly, you know, I went through this awful thing and I can turn it into something beautiful and I can share my experiences with other people, not only patients, but I. Family members, doctors, nurses, and just help them get to know what GBS is. So I started connecting with people. I started a social media page. I, I shared my YouTube videos, which ended up going viral. I just was able to connect with people all over the world, and there's just this huge community of people that have gone through this disease or have been affected by it. And I've been able to connect with people all over the world and just educate them on them on it and just help them through it.

Stoy: 18:54

What's been the greatest, uh, what word do I want to use? What have you learned the most from helping other people right across the world and all those other walks of life? Not necessarily just because of GBS, but like what has it brought and what have you taken from, from all of those different people that you've helped?

Holly Frances: 19:12

I think just seeing how incredible we are as human beings and there's so much darkness and so much sadness and horror that we have to go through in our lives. Again, whether that's GBS, whether that's another health issue, whether it's nothing, not even related to health, maybe it's like a divorce or a death or just any kind of challenge. Like we go through so many challenges and what I've seen is. People come out on the other side and we have that strength within us. And a lot of us don't realize it until we go through it. And it is there. And you may not believe it, but it is there and you just have to keep pushing through and getting to that other side. And then you will see. And uh, we are so much stronger than we realize

Stoy: 19:57

community, right? Like having a team of people.

Holly Frances: 20:00

Yeah, do it alone. Exactly. Exactly. Like go find those people. Whatever that looks like to you. Social media has made it amazing that we are able to connect with people. I can't imagine 40 years ago going through GBS and you know, you believe that you're the one and only person in the world that has it, and I can just pick up my phone and I can message with somebody across the world that may have some, some answers for me.

Stoy: 20:25

What's your day to day look like now? Right? It's been 14 years. You're helping out, you're still in hr. What's, what's life now like?

Holly Frances: 20:32

Yeah, so I, I ended up writing a book about what I went through, which, uh, was, has been very. Just incredible to get to share my story, educate people, especially doctors and nurses that have reached out to me and said, thank you for helping us to understand what it is to go through what you did. Yeah, they're the experts on the disease, but I consider myself also an expert for going through it. So, um, and then my daughter, she's 14 now, so it's wild, right? Like life continues and goes on and, uh, it's. Just really given me a lot of, uh, just gratitude for being her mom, for getting to be able to do things that I, at one point wasn't sure I'd be able to do. Like walking, talking, you know, going for a bike ride, going for a run, all that kind of stuff that I wasn't able to do at some at one point. And now I can.

Stoy: 21:27

Talk us through writing a book, right?'cause everyone says, oh, you're an author. You make millions of dollars.'cause books are so, you know, amazing. And talk us through that process. One, the process in thinking of like, I need to write a book, or I should write a book and then walk us through, you know, the whole book process.'cause that's, that's different.

Holly Frances: 21:42

Yeah, so I, I, I've always been the type of person that likes to write. I really excelled in English classes and I just, I always, it was funny'cause I always thought one day like, oh, it'd be so cool to write a book one day, but I really had no idea what I would even write about. Well, then I go through GBS and I'm like, okay, now I got something to I can write about. And. A part of it came from, you know, there was just so many people asking me questions. They're like, what was it like being in ICU? What were you feeling? Were you in pain? What was it like recovering and like, what was that like being away from your daughter? Like my daughter was almost six months old by the time I got home. And it was so hard to answer all these questions in a five minute conversation. So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna put it in a book and I am going to share my experiences. Um. And it was a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be. It was, it took me between, I would say like all added up. I mean, I did take breaks along the way, but I'm gonna say about 10 years of writing and editing and taking breaks and being like. Do I really wanna do this? And like it was, it was a long, long journey and yeah, I've learned a lot along the way that I could definitely condense it. It would certainly not take that long if, if you put yourself and just, you know, focus on it. But I did take a lot of breaks and eventually I, I. Got it finished and you know, I had to go through the writing process. I had to go through the editing process. I did self-publish the book, um, just because I wanted to keep as much control as possible, but it's been so rewarding and getting it out there and just having people could reach out to me saying like, thank you. You gave me hope. I've read your story now. And we thought that our family member. Was never gonna recover. We had lost hope. And to see your story and to see where you came out has given us that hope that they will get through this.

Stoy: 23:28

And what's the name of your book and where can everyone get it?

Holly Frances: 23:30

Yeah, it's called Life Support and it is on Amazon under Holly Francis. And you can also go to my website as well, which is holly

Stoy: 23:37

francis.com.

Holly Frances: 23:39

And, uh, you can access it there.

Stoy: 23:41

And of course we'll have all that in the social webs and all those things too. Uh, no one has to worry about that. Alright. We haven't talked about money much at all, or wealth or anything that involves all of this, so I have to dive into it. Well, I have two questions. This personal questions everybody because now I personally wanna know one, how actually was it having a tube down your throat being awake and having a tube down your throat and having to live through that because there, there are more cruel things on earth, but that one feels like one of the cruelest things that I would have to deal with.

Holly Frances: 24:11

It was definitely horrific and thankfully I only had to have that in for about 10 days. And then after that they switched it to basically a, a trach, it's called a tracheotomy, just because it is so horrific. So, yeah, it feels like you are going to. Die at any moment. Every breath is feeling forced and it, you can't talk, you can't communicate. You're trying to mouth words, but you can't. And, uh, luckily, I mean, the doctors kept me pretty sedated so that I didn't have to go through that and experience it much. But eventually I was able to get onto a ventilator with a trach, which was just as horrific I, in my opinion. But yeah, it was, it was, it was not a great place.

Stoy: 24:52

Yeah. What's the eye language for Just knock me out and put me in a coma. Yeah. Like, because that's what I would be blinking. Yeah. The other question is, and, and obviously you're in Canada, we're in America and our health systems are, could probably be polar opposites, but what is that like knowing, hey, I'm recovering in all of this, but there's a cost to this, there's things that have to go with. When did that hit you and, and how'd you deal with that situation?

Holly Frances: 25:21

Yeah, so very different healthcare systems. So in Canada, very, very fortunate that majority of my stuff, it was just covered by healthcare and I didn't have to worry about it. They talked about money in the hospitals because my care obviously was costing them money. I had to have treatment. One of the treatments that I had to have was like sort of like a blood transfusion, and I believe it was like somewhere around, like about, like in comparison for us it'd be about$15,000 US. Like total within a few days, like five days over the course of five days, and that was, that was five days. I was there for many, many months. So I can only imagine what the actual co total cost was. And it is something that I thought about and it is something that I still like when I deal with people, when I connect with people that are either in the US or other countries, I, it just breaks my heart to think of people that have to. Worry about money on top of dealing with whatever they're dealing with. So yeah, it's a, it's a stress that I luckily did not have to, to deal with, of course. I mean, I had other financial complications. I couldn't work and I had to go on disability and all this sort of stuff, and it was a challenge trying to focus, how do I focus on my health when I also have to worry about money?

Stoy: 26:37

Right. Just a plug for Universal Healthcare. I'm just saying people like, uh, come on us, let's get our shit in order because good lord, that would I, that would be millions, probably. Yeah.

Holly Frances: 26:48

Yeah. And I do know people that have literally, you know, gone bankrupt or had to sell their houses in the US that have gone through GBS because them million dollars or something being in the hospital for that long.

Stoy: 27:00

Yeah. Just

Holly Frances: 27:01

to

Stoy: 27:01

survive. I mean, that's it. I even recover like just to survive, which is, I could go down a whole tangent on that, but not today. Not today. We're not here, not today. We'll do something else and then as we get to the end, I always ask this question too, and I maybe you've never been asked it, so we'll see, but what was your first money memory ever in your life?

Holly Frances: 27:24

Um, I grew up with not a lot of money, so I think just always being aware of like my family that we didn't have a lot of money, so it was like we couldn't do a lot of things just being told like, no, we can't do that. We can't afford that. Um, so I think money's always been, like, at, at that point I'd always been a big worry of mine. And so, yeah, when I was going through GBS, same thing, like it was like. What does my future look like? What if I don't recover enough to work again? Like how am I gonna provide for my family? How am I going to be able to pay for things? And yeah, it's something that is just such a big part of our life. As much as we don't wanna admit it, we don't wanna say that, you know, money is, is important, but it is. It really is.

Stoy: 28:06

Yeah. There's no way around it really. Ultimately, at the end of the day. Well, I appreciate you. I appreciate what you've gone through and being such an advocate and speaking up, our voice matters, right? People matter and they just need to hear and be and be around and be involved. So I appreciate everything that you've gone through and I'm glad you are speaking to us today. Uh, we are gonna have your book and all the things, all other socials as well, so everyone will be able to check that out and we appreciate you coming on and, and be happy to support you in any way we can.

Holly Frances: 28:34

Thank you so much for having me on.