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Ep. 134 - Rewire Your Brain to Build Wealth & Beat Burnout for Good

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Stop trying to think your way to wealth. Your nervous system has been calling the shots this whole time.

Most financial advice tells you to "remove emotions" from money decisions. That's complete bullshit. You can't remove what's hardwired into your survival system.

Here's the brutal truth: Your childhood money memories are still running your financial life. Every limiting belief, every self-sabotaging pattern, every reason you can't break through to the next level – it's all stored in your body, not just your mind.

Neuroscientist and wellness expert Tessa Santarpia drops the science behind why smart people make dumb money moves. She reveals how your nervous system determines your wealth capacity and why traditional therapy often fails to create lasting change.

In this no-BS conversation, you'll discover:

  • Why your brain is wired for short-term survival, not long-term wealth
  • The real difference between scarcity mindset and survival mode
  • How visualization literally rewires your neural pathways (backed by brain scans)
  • Why successful people still live in fear of losing everything
  • The 8-week protocol that builds new neural habits for abundance

This isn't feel-good fluff. This is measurable, science-backed transformation that Tessa tracks with actual brain scans. No more hoping your mindset work is actually working.

If you're tired of knowing what to do but not being able to stick with it, this episode will change how you think about the connection between your mind, body, and money forever.

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Ready to see your brain change? Stop thinking your way to wealth and start rewiring your way there.

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Stoy:

Is it in our brains? Is it not in our brains? We all have, I have this little tiny guy in my brain all the time, and I don't understand him very well, but a lot of, you're now going, why Isto ranting on about our mind and our brain and everything that's going on. Well, today our guest, Tessa, is bringing that to attention and fun fact, everybody we're gonna dive into of the emotions and why and how that relates back to your money and your financial decisions too. So without further ado, welcome to the show, Tessa.

Tessa Santarpia:

Thanks so much for having me. Story.

Stoy:

So let's backtrack'cause everyone's like, what the hell are we talking about? Let's backtrack to, and I'm gonna tease them. Before you got into and started and running your own company, like what were you doing? What was going on? And then what led to where you are today?

Tessa Santarpia:

I, um, I've been in the healthcare field. I became a strategist and was, um, managing multi physician practices, um, mental health clinics. Um, just very rooted in traditional medicine. But I started to understand that people had certain blocks that couldn't be solved just from medication or surgeries. It was blocks that were a lot deeper than that. Root causes of anxiety, burnout, performance, these things lived in the body. So I started seeking out what we consider alternative medicine. Now diving into flow states, flow states, psychedelic integration, meditation, breath work. All of these tools that I saw really helped people release kind of those stuck patterns from the body. Um, and I realized that a lot of our problems can't be solved just on the mind alone. We need to integrate that whole body system if we want to pursue these really meaningful goals, like building our wealth capacity and achieving, you know, success beyond our wildest dreams.

Stoy:

And what took you, was there one singular event that took you from traditional to this? I did air quotes of holistic, right? Yeah, alternative medicine. Um, was there one like singular event or is it just over time you're like, you know what, it, it's time.

Tessa Santarpia:

I mean, it's such a good point because what we consider alternative is actually the most original type of medicine, like spiritual traditions have been talking about this for millennia and we, there's so many accounts across cultures and traditions that talk about this connection, the mind body connection connection, which was a taboo word in medicine up until about a decade ago. So it wasn't really one experience. I think it was reading and researching and. Realizing, oh my gosh, there's so much synergy between what all these really different traditions are saying, and they're realizing that there had to be something there.

Stoy:

Absolutely right. I, and I, I'm fascinated with understanding what causes that shift, right? Yeah. Um, whether it's finally doctors just re recognizing that it's out there, or was it people driving and going like, no, like this, this works. Like this feels better because when I kind of relate it and tie it back to, to the money conversation, which we'll dive into more later, but. It's like in my industry as well, we're going away from like investments being the traditional and our alternative. And holistic is actually more about your bo, your mind, your body, and understanding that to lead you to proper decisions. And so even in the last decade, actually, it's really been about four years for us, we're seeing a huge integration in that, which is now changing the way our industry shifts. So I just find it very interesting that. A decade ago for you, four years for us, human, human history is coming back around type of thing. It's very interesting. So took you outta traditional. Why would you wanna start your own company? Like why? Why go that route? Why not join forces with someone? What was your thought behind that?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah, I think having your own company gives you a lot of autonomy. Um, and there was just a lot of different ways that even in the alternative medicine or the holistic space, they had very much distinctions about what kind of verbiage they were willing to use, what they were willing to dip their toe in. I'm very on, I love sitting on the edge of knowledge. And what's only beginning to be figured out or understood that that doesn't scare me. Um, and I actually love bringing in science and tools to make that more meaningful and measurable. So the areas that I really wanted to go, I wasn't seeing a lot of the employers that I worked with or wanted to partner with, willing to go there. So having my company was the greatest next step. And. Really, it became pulling a team together of people who are also so interested in being on that edge of knowledge, but coming together with individual expertise that made it all possible.

Stoy:

Okay, so enough teasing on this, right? Yeah. Um, we can, we can talk about your business now. Um, so visualizing 360, what do you guys do? How do you operate and how do you really help others?

Tessa Santarpia:

So we're a neuroscience based wellness company, and we help individuals rewire the root causes of anxiety, burnout, and performance blocks. So what we do is we combine cutting edge brain science with practical mind body tools to retrain that mind body system for resilience and results that actually stick over time. So it's, it's really pulling together a lot of different scientific disciplines, modalities, because when it comes to this work, one size definitely doesn't fit all. We've seen that time and time again. So giving people a suite of tools and letting them test out, you know, what actually works for me, what resonates with me has given us the greatest success and allowed us to help the most, like the widest range of people.

Stoy:

What's been, I guess, you know, dumb it down for me a little bit. I'm not the smartest in the bunch, but dumb it down for me a little bit in regards to when you talk about brain research and what you found in the data and all of those things like. In a simplified version, what's the most outstanding to you? Like what's the thing that everyone knows of, but we just don't think of to operate into ourselves that is backed by all the research and data that you've done?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah, I think just the most incredible thing I see time and time again is how well the brain responds to these very quick tools to calm it down. Or to upregulate it for focus. Like this is something we can see on A-Q-E-E-G brain scan. When I work with someone and they're, you know, I can tell they have an anxious mind just based on the results that we're getting from the scan. Maybe they're thinking about a lot of things. They're not sure what to expect as soon as you go through. Just a quick relaxation technique. Having them focus on their breath, having them drop into the body, um, and do a body scan. The brain responds so well to that. And I think it's funny because even though we all might know these tools in the moment when we're really overwhelmed, we just think. It's not worth it. It's not really gonna do anything. I should keep overthinking and worrying and for whatever reason, those things feel more productive to us. Um, but if we could really understand that if you just take the time and actually do these things that you know are going to work, your brain will support you in that. And downregulating,

Stoy:

what's your biggest hurdle as a business or personal or whatever when it comes to getting what you're doing out to more people? And really, truly helping them.

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah, I think, you know, I am a practitioner and a synthesizer of a lot of different knowledge and discipline. Um, I'm not a marketer and we don't really have a lot of like super skilled marketers on our team because we are all in this space. So I think the toughest thing has really just been figuring out how to reach people without sounding salesy and gimmicky because. This work is deeply personal and it's very vulnerable to be sharing these parts of yourself with someone. So we never wanna come across that we, you know, aren't the right people because we're just trying to make money and sell you something. So it's, you really have to separate yourself from the business in that way.

Stoy:

How is it different than going to see a therapist?

Tessa Santarpia:

So a therapist. Um, and I started the company with my mom, who's been a neuropsychologist therapist, um, for the past three decades. And something that she has found time and time again is that I. A lot of the times the problem cannot be solved just at the level of the mind. So when you go and you talk to someone every week, um, you know, you can dive into your past. You can figure out the reasons for why you are the way you are. Um, but just talking about the problem doesn't often give you the tools to push forward into that next step because. The crucial distinction is that the brain is the seed of our conscious mind, so it may set the intention, I wanna heal from this relationship. I want to build my wealth capacity. I wanna achieve X, Y, and Z. But it's the nervous system, the entire mind body system that determines whether that intention feels safe enough to pursue. So if your body is stuck in survival mode, no amount of talking or thinking is going to override those subconscious signals telling you it's not safe to expand.

Stoy:

Let's dive into that because we hear that a lot of like survival mode, right? Some people in my minds like integrate that with scarcity mindset. To me, they're different. Um, they're different. They can be similar, but they're drastically different. So if I'm stuck and my body's stuck in survival mode, whether it's'cause I'm grieving or whatever, what can someone recognize that you can say like upfront right now of like, Hey. You are in survival mode and these are the ization steps for that to help someone connect that to their, their mind with their body.

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah. So I think number one is removing any sense of shame. I. For the way that you think, because we have to remember that this is subconscious and we don't have control over it. So for many of us, scarcity isn't just circumstantial, it's our neural habit loop. I'm like, I grew up with grandparents who lived through the Great Depression. So the mindset of rationing food never having enough, really wired me to associate money with stress danger. The sense of unworthiness. And for a while, even when I would go into, you know, higher paying jobs and different levels of success, I thought that would consciously help me override those patterns. But I had to realize that I wasn't really aware of, or sorry, I wasn't in control of what my subconscious was storing. So the first is eliminating any of that shame. A deep dive into why you think the way that you think, and then ultimately starting to regulate yourself. So every time that those programs come up, starting to uncover those stories, and then learning to do breath work that grounds you into the moment of. That's who I've been. I'm not necessarily my thoughts. You know, they, they tell a past story, but they don't tell where I'm going. Techniques like visualization, which help you expand into the future and start expanding the mindset and training the brain to notice more opportunities. Um, and then different somatic tools, which ultimately help you anchor new beliefs into the body.

Stoy:

I want to connect the mind and the body from a, like a fitness perspective. Um, former athlete myself. This is how my brain works. So we're gonna go this way folks. So stay awake.

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah.

Stoy:

You talked about training, um, your mind and your brain to do something. We all know brains muscle. We also know our body is full of muscles as well. Can someone who is not like physically fit or have been through and trained to their body, are they able to, or is it harder for them to train their mind then have you seen?

Tessa Santarpia:

No. Well actually it's interesting. There's so much research, um, and you may have seen this in the performance space, but they will take athletes who visualize. Let's say throwing free throws in basketball, visualize exercising muscles in injury rehabilitation. And then they take the same groups and they have them actually perform those activities. And the research shows that the people who just visualized or actually trained the mind to create those mental patterns showed as significant improvement as the group who actually did those activities. So we have to realize that. Number one, anyone can train their mind no matter what has happened to them. We used to think that the brain was very fixed, but neuroplasticity in the past two decades of research has really shown us that you can rewire your brain at any age. So it's really about learning that every time you reinforce a new thought pattern, every time you reinforce, um, practice thinking a certain way. You are literally creating new mental grooves in the brain, and over time it becomes easier to think that way. So it really doesn't have anything to do with how much success you've achieved in the past, how physically fit you are, what your performance is. It has no bearing on the past or current condition. Um, so I think that's really exciting for people to realize, and it's something that science is now proving. Um, you have, you are never too far gone to be able to train the mind. I.

Stoy:

I know that's the most important part probably from the conversation, is the fact that like, there's nothing extra you need to do. You can start now literally while listening to this podcast, right? Like there are things that you can just implement now, and it's one of the few things in our life that we have control, control of to a degree, control of, of like being able to implement now or you know. Losing weight of getting a new job, being able to, all of those things take time. Mm-hmm. And take a lot of different practices and relying on other people. You being able to train your brain or start to train your brain is something that you can take control of. Now. Now, will it take a while to get to where you wanna be? Yeah. Obviously people, there's no overnight success and I don't care what anyone says, there's no such thing. Okay. People do get lucky, but there's no such thing. You, you have to grind through some things. But, so I, I wanted to land on that point hard of like. Now you can start like right now. Yeah. To rewiring the brain. And I know there's variables out Theo, but what kind, give me a timeframe. Like if we started exercising stuff tonight, where would I think that, or how fast could I rewire my brain in a certain perspective? Is that a model? Yeah.

Tessa Santarpia:

So. Yeah, so obviously everyone is different and it does depend on the person and the goals. So there's no official one answer, but from the research that informed our protocol and the results that we see with our clients, eight weeks is normally enough to build, um, and strengthen those neural habits. And we've seen incredible results, changes in anxiety and emotional regulation and focus, um, belief patterns about oneself. Psychological flexibility, how you can handle yourself under pressure. So eight weeks is definitely a good amount of time. I think the the biggest thing people need to keep in mind is that the changes are often so small and subtle in the beginning, that we get discouraged and we tell ourselves it won't work. But those tiny daily habits, whether they're positive or negative, they're gonna accumulate momentum over time. So even though the shifts feel invisible and subtle, that consistent, it'll, it'll compound and everything in life grows exponentially. So the more you make that your new normal, the more your brain will change to support that.

Stoy:

And kind of to attest to what you talked about earlier is I. Training your brain to see opportunities. I use this analogy a lot is like in football, we would train for nine months outta the year six, 6:00 AM for the opportunity for 11 games down the road, like at some point, right? So we were trained, we knew when our opportunities were in life. How we correlate that to that is we need to be training every day for when those opportunities pop up. We just don't know when those are right. And there's only. Finite amount of opportunities you're gonna have in a year. And if you are not capable, whether that's your mind or your fitness, or financially able to take advantage of that opportunity, then it's negatively going to affect you. And some people call it luck, right? I'm not a huge luck person. I'm more of someone prepared their mind, their body, and their financials for that opportunity, and we're able to take advantage of it at that time. Yeah, it might be luck, but I think it's just more they were ready for the opportunity and they saw it, whereas majority of us maybe would never even see it as an opportunity.

Tessa Santarpia:

A hundred percent. And there's so much research to back that up. A lot of the times, especially with peak performers, high achievers, you don't need more hustle. You need that alignment. And what that alignment is doing is it's training the brain to, like you said, see more opportunities, um, that it would normally filter out. It trains the brain to give you motivation to pursue things that you would've normally considered. Oh, that's ridiculous. Um, it's training you to align with. Longer term emotional fulfillment versus immediate gratification. So all of those are ways that we can train the brain to support us in achieving those goals.

Stoy:

Okay, now, money time. All right, it's money time. We've talked about the brain, talked about training it. We've obviously hit upon what you do as in your, in your work. And I know you've done an absolute shit ton of research. So I'm gonna ask you some questions that involve probably the money side of it, one. In our industry, we have this falsity of saying like, remove your emotions from your financial decisions. Is that possible? For a human to do is completely remove their emotions from their financial decision making.

Tessa Santarpia:

I. In my opinion, no. We are wired emotionally and escaping. That is actually just undermining our ability to use emotion in a very wise and advantageous way. But I think learning how the brain works in regards to emotion can help us. So the brain is very wired for short-term survival, not that long-term success. So it'll prioritize those immediate rewards, that comfort, safety over the delayed gratification, that delayed kind of emotional advance. So that's why sometimes making decisions like saving, investing in our future, it'll feel hard and it'll feel very uncomfortable rather than just spending in the moment. So instead of trying to eliminate that drive altogether, we can realize that, okay, the prefrontal cortex that's governed my decision making is battling my deeper emotional brain that just craves these instant dopamine hits. With intentional awareness and that reprogramming, we can break those reactive cycles and then we can stop spending to soothe. Um, and we can start building and making decisions that have lasting wealth capacity there. So not eliminating the emotional brain, but becoming aware of it and working with it and getting those needs in other ways.

Stoy:

See people, I was right from the expert. I was right. Just saying, um, to kind of piggyback that, I usually use this in my practice of. When we do someone's budget,'cause budget already puts people in a weird state of mind, right? They, they don't like the constraints or you name the things about being a budget. But I always throw in a line item called fund money. And I, I don't know if this is backed by research, this is just backed by my gut of I am allowing people to have a fund money allocation in their budget to literally burn money and do whatever they want with it. And what I have found in my research and experience of doing so is if I'm able to give someone. The The yes, the go ahead to do whatever they want with$20, 50 bucks, they end up not overspending in the other categories, groceries, shopping, food, dining out, because they are able to do so. Is that part of that gratification type part of our brain, you think where yes, you're allowed to go do that and therefore you can stick to the rest of the long-term plan?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yes, there's research on New Year's resolutions and which ones actually stick for the longest. And it's, it's all about framing for the brain. So instead of framing it as a loss of, okay, I have to save money, I can't, you know, I can't go to my nights out, I can't go to dinners, I can't do this, I can't do that.'cause I'm saving, reframe it as I'm building up money to now get to do, take a vacation and buy things for my family that I never got to do. And. Really reframing it in a way that now I get to have more fun with the money. Because again, the brain is just going to help motivate you to make those decisions when it thinks, okay, this is something I actually enjoy. Um, and I can see a longer term benefit because when we train the brain to see the longer term benefit, it will actually support us in getting there. It's just overriding that mental friction in the beginning when it says, choose what's safe and familiar and what you're used to versus taking a chance on something new.

Stoy:

In your experience in in research, have you found majority of people's stresses is evolving around money or is that just kind of the scapegoat that we hear?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yes. I think that we've all bought, bought into money because it's a construct, right? Doesn't actually exist, but we've all bought into the construct of what it means for ourselves and so many of us. Identify ourselves just based on what we have and how much we can spend. And I think that that false identity of thinking, that's the reality of who we are, is what's causing a lot of pain and it's what's causing a lot of separation among people. Um, and we have to realize that. Our nervous system determines our wealth capacity, and that is linked to how worthy we feel about ourselves and what we're capable of and how, how abundant in giving the universe actually is. So money, even though it's causing a lot of stress, um, and heartache for all of us. I think it's all the key to turning it all around. Um, and not only building wealth, but building like secureness in yourself that you may have never had otherwise.

Stoy:

Okay, so now everyone's asking like, but like, how the hell can I do this? So without giving away all your trade secrets, of course, is there something that you can give the audience like today that they could start implementing and working on a tool, a technique, or something to help them move forward?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah, so I think number one, most people try to fix their money problems externally. They're not aware of the inner program that is running those outdated scripts. Like, I'm not good with money. I work so hard and I don't see results. People like me don't get rich. You know, it's not easy. Shadow work and cognitive belief mapping are tools that start to uncover those unconscious stories that we carry. And a lot of those are rooted in shame, fear, or, you know, things that we've inherited from our parents and our families and things like that. So I know that that acknowledgement is so hard and it's deeply uncomfortable because we feel very trapped within those narratives. So it often is easier to ignore and try to override them. But the biggest thing to understand is that you are not your thoughts. Thoughts are just these electrical blips in the brain. If they're not real, they don't accurately describe you. They don't predict your future and what you're capable of earning. They're just these neural outputs of your past experiences. So they'll tell you where you've been, but they don't tell you where you're going and they can be rewired. The quickest way to rewire the brain is through reinforcement of new mental habits. So when you notice that these thoughts arise. Replacing them with something either neutral or positive, like I'm learning to build my wealth capacity, or I'm excited by the future, even though I don't exactly know what it holds. That over time, even though you feel like a fraud at first, and it feels so foreign, will train the brain to start to be more comfortable with those thoughts. Um, and that's something that anyone can do anywhere. You don't need technology, you don't need to work with anyone. It's just a matter of staying consistent. Because when I first started out, uh, reprogramming a lot of these beliefs, I would catch myself up to a hundred times a day, if not more, and I would start writing them down and just bringing them to my awareness more and more. And instead of getting afraid of them, I started to be like, this is the bulk of what I'm working with and this is what I'm going to transform.

Stoy:

After all your work on yourself, do you find it like when those pop up that the muscle memory in your body just kind of like overrides it now as opposed to you like thinking, oh crap, I gotta do, I gotta think through this, I gotta do this now?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yes. It's amazing like you just kind of step into that new version of yourself that thinks and acts a certain way, and you think it's gonna be this like revolutionary feeling, but it just feels like your new normal. It's, it's like, wow. Something that would've, you know, a bill that I may have gotten in the mail, a parking ticket, something small that used to rock my entire world and, and send me into such an emotional turmoil. Like I don't get dragged down by that. I don't allow that to affect me. And it's like over time it just starts to become a very cool, new normal, new

Stoy:

normal. So I always ask everyone this question, what was your first money memory?

Tessa Santarpia:

Unfortunately, my first money memory was the one thing that my parents always thought about. My parents are divorced. They're great friends. Now, I know we've gotten through a lot of that, but I. Money was always the one thing that caused so much chaos and stress. That was part of the, the work I had to do was realizing how much I associated money with fighting and insecurity and a lot of these things. So, you know, I wouldn't have chosen that in any capacity, but I am grateful that I can remember the memories to know that these are the things that were shaping me for so long.

Stoy:

How important is it for people to, since we use that exercise, but how important is it for people to think back through money trauma or their first money memory to recognize like how it's catalyst has been through their life and has been the catalyst for probably poor money choices or something like that. How important is it for someone to lock into that?

Tessa Santarpia:

I would say it is the most critical. Your nervous system will determine your wealth capacity. And the the other thing is, is that if you do not upgrade the internal before the external. Then success will never feel safe, even if you achieve a lot of it in a very quick amount of time. So you see a lot of these people that have achieved, you know, they've amassed a lot of fortune, but they live in this fear of losing it or sabotaging it, or that it could all just be taken away one day. And that's not really having mental health, that's not having energetic health or physical health. It's, it's eating away at you slowly. So you need to build that internal program and that internal dialogue. First, and then everything that comes, you won't be so attached to just one way of where it's coming from. I

Stoy:

love that'cause I know quite a few, uh, narcissists, if you will, that need to do a little work. Even though they're very successful, it's, they're always wanting more and more and more and it has nothing to do with the money. So that's a very important piece for people to understand is not only for yourself, but for those that you see out there. They are that way because of a reason, and they're not, they have not worked on it. Just because they're, uh, successful monetarily does not be mean. They're successful in life. So just remember that as you work on yourself, anything coming down the pipe that we wanna let everyone know that they should reach out for or that you're gonna put on that way after they've listened to this, they go, I need to get with her. Follow her, her. Is there anything coming down the pipe you're working on?

Tessa Santarpia:

Yeah. Well, so we offer, um, a transformational course really identify or, um, centered around identifying these limiting beliefs, rewiring the nervous system and equipping you with the strategies to achieve your most meaningful goals, including building that wealth capacity. But I think what makes this really different than other wellness companies is that. We make the invisible visible, so we incorporate QEEG brain scans, research backed cognitive assessments so you can actually see your progress, not just feel it. Um, and we've seen some really incredible results and with a lot of this work and a lot of these tools, you often don't have a way of measuring it. And so I think it's really exciting that the technology is where it's at, and we've been able to combine so many different scientific disciplines to give you this kind of course.

Stoy:

See, there you have it. Of course it'll be in one of the, I don't know, marketing's gonna put it in a description somewhere. Um, I'll let them take care of that. But we really appreciate your time. Look forward to having you on even more.'cause I know that there's way more to go into. This is surface level really, and as complex as our brains are, this conversations can go even deeper. So we appreciate that. We look forward to having you on at a later date as well. And everybody reach out to her. Follow'em. Do everything you need to do. Probably use the course. I might need to'cause pictures of this brain. That'd be kind of fun to look at again. Thank you.

Tessa Santarpia:

Thanks Joy.

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