Lisa Natoli: The Gentle Unwinding of Awakening with Jody Agard

In this episode of The Awareness Podcast, Jody Agard sits down with Lisa Natoli for a grounded, relieving conversation about a common spiritual struggle: you have a real moment of peace or clarity… and then it feels like you “lose it.”

Lisa reframes the whole storyline. Awakening isn’t a Hollywood moment where the mind goes silent forever and life becomes trigger-free. What you are is already constant—but old identity and conditioning can take time to unwind.

Together, they explore:
 • Why “backsliding” is often just the natural momentum of old habits
 • The unplugged fan / cooling oven metaphor for how patterns wind down
 • Why you don’t need to stop thoughts—you can notice thoughts appearing and disappearing in awareness
 • How suffering sticks around when we hold a story in place (“I have no money,” “I’m sick,” “I’m guilty”)
 • Lisa’s down-to-earth mind-body doorway: feet on the floor, sensations, presence—without judgment
 • A practical experiment: what changes when you stop labeling life as “problems” and “difficulties”?

This conversation also highlights Lisa’s upcoming January 2026 teaching series:
✨ The Disappearance of Old Habits: Living the Truth of What You Are, a four-week invitation into self-inquiry, allowing, and the gentle dissolving of the false self—without forcing, fixing, or efforting.

✨ Another way to go deeper…
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