Lisa Natoli: The Gentle Unwinding of Awakening with Jody Agard

In this episode of The Awareness Podcast, Jody Agard sits down with Lisa Natoli for a grounded, relieving conversation about a common spiritual struggle: you have a real moment of peace or clarity… and then it feels like you “lose it.”

Lisa reframes the whole storyline. Awakening isn’t a Hollywood moment where the mind goes silent forever and life becomes trigger-free. What you are is already constant — but old identity and conditioning can take time to unwind.

Together, they explore:

• Why “backsliding” is often just the natural momentum of old habits
• The unplugged fan / cooling oven metaphor for how patterns wind down
• Why you don’t need to stop thoughts — you can notice thoughts appearing and disappearing in awareness
• How suffering sticks around when we hold a story in place (“I have no money,” “I’m sick,” “I’m guilty”)
• Lisa’s down-to-earth mind-body doorway: feet on the floor, sensations, presence — without judgment
• A practical experiment: what changes when you stop labeling life as “problems” and “difficulties”?

This conversation also highlights Lisa’s upcoming January 2026 teaching series:
✨ The Disappearance of Old Habits: Living the Truth of What You Are, a four-week invitation into self-inquiry, allowing, and the gentle dissolving of the false self — without forcing, fixing, or efforting.

About Lisa Natoli:
Lisa Natoli shares her story of healing and awakening in a way that is down-to-earth and easily understood. She was an alcoholic, cigarette smoker, food addict, type-A personality with roller-coaster mood swings which all got healed with A Course in Miracles. In 2013, she got sick with an incurable autoimmune disease... After trying everything to heal with no success, she began to welcome the pain and symptoms. This practice of welcoming led to an interest in nonduality teachings and practices of self-inquiry, which gradually led to the recognition of Consciousness as the true Self, our real Self which is complete happiness with no suffering or sorrow. She writes on the topics of mind-body healing, transformation, enlightenment, and consciousness. 

✨ Another way to go deeper…
 If you’d like to continue exploring beyond this podcast, we invite you to join Evolve — Center for Awakening's online member community. Your Evolve membership includes Lisa Natoli’s series "The Disappearance of Old Habits: Living the Truth of What You Are," and much more. In Evolve, you'll find a supportive space for weekly live meditations, book studies, and community sessions, as well as a new in-depth teaching series each month — featuring some of the most respected and beloved nondual wisdom teachers of our time. If you’re ready to deepen your practice and connect with others walking this path, we’d be honored to welcome you. Learn more & join us inside Evolve.