Motor City Hypnotist
Motor City Hypnotist
The Science of Depression - Part 2
Explore the mysterious changes that depression triggers in the brain, as we unravel the complexities of neurotransmitters and their crucial roles in mental health. Join us as we break down how dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin shape our emotions and mental states, and discover how SSRIs can help manage depression by influencing these chemical messengers. We'll discuss the challenges of diagnosing mood disorders, given their subjective nature and the lack of definitive tests. Our 'Winner of the Week' segment brings a heartwarming story from Cape Verde, where a couple's compassionate rescue of a dying donkey leads to unexpected joy and miracles.
Next, we turn our attention to psychiatric medication, focusing on the intricacies of finding the right dosage with insight into the use of Lamictal. Understand the importance of regular consultations with your psychiatrist to track medication effectiveness and side effects, and hear about the role blood tests can play in managing side effects. From there, we lighten the mood with a fun chat about fantasy football, highlighting our league standings, followed by the heartwarming tale of Chip, a lovable cockapoo from the Detroit Dog Rescue in search of a forever home. We wrap up with a powerful reminder that changing your mindset can transform your life, and the simple yet profound impact of kindness and laughter in our daily interactions.
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David Wright: 0:00
In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotist Podcast we are finishing up. Hopefully we'll see. This is the Science of Depression, part 2. We might need a Part 3, we'll see, we'll see. But we're talking about what happens physiologically in your brain when you're depressed. We're talking about neurotransmitters and brain activity and synapses, and I know that all sounds very overwhelming, but we'll break it down to a very dumb level, because that's what I would need. I'm just saying, and stick around, we're giving away free stuff. Hang in there, folks, We'll be right back.
Announcer: 0:34
This sounds like something for the authorities in Detroit. Well, joke's on you. I'm living to 102 and then dying at the city of Detroit.
Matt Fox: 0:43
Guys like this can't take over here.
David Wright: 0:45
out of Detroit Spawned in the hellfires of Motown.
Matt Fox: 0:49
Taken to Detroit.
Announcer: 0:51
No, no. Detroit, no, no, no. Stationed in Drambuie, worse than Detroit. We did not have, as a unit, the confidence that we felt like we needed to beat Detroit. Let's go to Detroit. Now you're talking brother. I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now. Do they have many farms in Detroit? Detroit to Michigan.
Matt Fox: 1:17
I go to school, I know where Detroit is.
Announcer: 1:19
Get ready for the Motor City hypnotist, David R Wright. Originating from the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, he has hypnotized thousands of people from all over the United States. David R Wright has been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of an outpatient mental health and hypnosis clinic located just south of Detroit, where he helps people daily using the power of hypnosis. Welcome to Motor.
Matt Fox: 1:58
City Hypnotist David R.
Announcer: 1:59
Wright.
David Wright: 2:06
What is going on, my friends? It is David Wright, the Motor City Hypnotist, and we're back with another episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast. I am so excited for part two, absolutely, that is Matt Fox, the other voice. You hear, matt? It is, we're here in the Podcast, your Voice. Southfield Studios, palatial. It is palatial it is. We got a full bar, we got a big table, we got uh snacks and booze booze, booze what more can you ask for on a monday night?
Matt Fox: 2:35
thanks to jamie for all the yeah, absolutely jamie's stocking the place up. He's cleaning up from the man cave.
David Wright: 2:41
Still, he's booze santa so let me tell you, folks where you can find me. My website is motorcityhypnotistcom. As I've said the last few episodes, now's the time to book your shows for grad nights or post-prom parties, because they're already booking. Yes, I've already had to turn a couple of people away because it's on the same date as another party that's already booked. So, man, now's the time to do it.
David Wright: 3:04
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David Wright: 3:33
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Matt Fox: 4:38
Oh my God, here we go For winner of the week.
Announcer: 4:48
That's how winning is done.
David Wright: 4:51
All right. Well, this story, matt, involves a donkey and a stable, just in time for Christmas time.
Matt Fox: 4:59
Okay, wait a minute Winner of the week donkey and a stable Donkey and a stable. Do we have any wise men with the donkey?
David Wright: 5:09
Well, no, but we have some British travelers, okay.
David Wright: 5:11
We'll take the place of the wise men. Go on. Yes, in a delightful and kind of Christmas story, a pair of British travelers found room at the inn for a dying donkey what the Okay? Who then gave birth to a foal after receiving treatment. What's the foal's name? I don't know yet. It's Jesus. Come on, let's see. Sue and Andy Toch were due to escape the cold of England with a winter vacation out in Boa Vista, cape Verde. Mm-hmm, as it happened, sue spotted a post on their hotel's Facebook page about a dying donkey found stranded on the beach. Animal lovers both the Toches purchased some supplies to take a bid to save the skeletal and sick donkey named Bella Rue.
Matt Fox: 6:00
Had the donkey already given birth when they found him.
David Wright: 6:02
No, so the donkey's already skeletal.
Matt Fox: 6:06
Yes, super sick. Oh my goodness, yes, go on yeah.
David Wright: 6:10
Yeah, skeletal and sick donkey named Bella Rue from certain death. On arrival, sue teamed up with the other hotel guests and local tour guides to find a veterinarian who might be able to treat her Good, who might be able to treat her. They managed to find a home for her at a local riding center and just days later Bella gave birth in the stable when nobody had even known she was pregnant. Wow, okay, yeah, I mean, how are you going to know with the donkey?
Matt Fox: 6:37
The donkey is already looking like it's ready to go. Well, sure.
David Wright: 6:40
When Bella was found she was very emaciated. Her hips and ribs were visible, her coat was matted and she was covered in parasites. Poor girl. Sue told the British media outlet SWNS when I got there I was grooming her twice a day and would sit and talk to her after I gave her twice daily medication.
Matt Fox: 6:58
Who's a good ass?
David Wright: 7:00
Who's a good donkey. The local tour guides came back to us the next day and said they had found a man, sydney, who could take bella. She said arrangements were made and once in the stable it didn't take long for bella to get settled in her new temporary home. She even made friends with one of the horses who had been a fellow rescue. Sue had suspected bella might be pregnant, but vets weren't able to bring her in to be scanned so nobody knew for sure.
David Wright: 7:28
Now, fast-recovering Bella and her surprise son named Spaghetti live happily in their new home. I left before I got to meet Spaghetti, but we've promised to go back. We want Bella and Spaghetti to have a fantastic life there, said the inspired Sue who, along with the other guests, have started a GoFundMe to raise money for the rest of Bella's treatment. And Sue has vowed to return next year so she can see Bella again and meet Spaghetti for the first time. Now we're hoping to raise money to help Sidney with their care and veterinary bills so we can still help from back at home. Sidney said he might be able to take more rescues on too, so we're hoping the money can go towards that as well question those of you on facebook live.
Matt Fox: 8:13
I've been putting my hand up for the past yeah, I know.
David Wright: 8:15
I know I was in the article. You're getting through it. Yeah spaghetti.
Matt Fox: 8:19
Yeah, I don't know what, I don't know who named the donkey Spaghetti?
David Wright: 8:23
Yeah, I don't know. Couldn't you name him Gus? Or I don't know, farfel Fettuccine, donkey, just call him Donkey Miracle. Come on, hello, donkey Spaghetti. Yeah, that's the name, all right, so anyway, full story. Rescue the donkey who gave birth.
Announcer: 8:45
It's got a full name Save the asses, save the asses.
David Wright: 8:48
That is our winner of the week.
Announcer: 8:58
That's how winning is done.
David Wright: 9:03
We got all kinds of stories with the winner of the week we got dogs, we got cats, we got donkeys, we got whales yeah, we got.
Matt Fox: 9:11
I I'm trying to think what else we've had back to it you, you didn't see that guy that got slapped in the face for, uh, commenting on the lady's donkey, right? No, yeah, the lady walked by with a donkey goes, hey, nice ass.
Announcer: 9:28
Oh boy, oh good for you. I like this in the background. What the?
Matt Fox: 9:37
fuck, is it with you, but I'm pumped but I'm bummed yeah, that's what happens, all right, sorry folks.
David Wright: 9:43
We're talking about depression, the science of depression, because a lot of people this is probably one of the most common diagnosed mental illnesses along with anxiety, and typically depression and anxiety go together.
David Wright: 9:57
because if you're depressed, you become anxious. If you're anxious, you become depressed. Right, it's kind of like the cyclical thing. It's a roller coaster, it is, and you're up, you're down, yep, you're up. So if you listened to the last episode and if you have not listened to that, jump back one, cause it'll get you kind of set up, cause we're talking about specific neurotransmitters to start this episode. So again, the first one, and the one we're probably all familiar with, is dopamine. Yes, dopamine is a neurotransmitter and it creates positive feelings associated with with reward or a reinforcement of something, and it pushes us to continue, whatever we're doing, because of that good feeling.
Matt Fox: 10:35
What are the contents of dopamine? Is it? What's the makeup of dopamine itself? It's. Is that where the endorphins and everything?
David Wright: 10:43
or is it dopamine? Dopamine would probably create the endorphins, the feel-good feeling that you have.
Matt Fox: 10:50
I just wanted to clarify, because in the last episode I said endorphins. You're like no, these are, and I just want to see where the endorphins work into this, because that's the feel-good, yes it's a feel-good neurotransmitter.
David Wright: 11:05
So, with dopamine, here's what happens, though, and dopamine is believed to play vital roles in in uh conditions that affect the brain, like parkinson's or schizophrenia. Oh okay, so an imbalance of dopamine could result in these types of diseases. There's also evidence that shows that reduced dopamine levels contributes to depression, because you have less of that feel-good neurotransmitter going on. So a lot of times, with people with depression, medication is designed to kind of bolster that dopamine level in the brain.
David Wright: 11:47
The next one, the next neurotransmitters norepinephrine. So norepinephrine is a little bit different. It's not a feel good, but it's a neurotransmitter. But it's also a hormone, and this specific neurotransmitter is totally responsible for the fight or flight response. Okay, so when somebody is you know they're in danger, or somebody's threatened, that that fight or flight response kicks in, and that's along with the adrenaline. That that's where that adrenaline kicks in, so it helps send the messages from one nerve cell to the next. So in the back in the 1960s, there was a scientist named joseph schildkraut a very difficult name, I won't even spell it for you, schildkraut so he suggested that norepinephrine was the brain chemical for interest in people with depression, and that his hypothesis was that there was a lack of norepinephrine in people with depression.
David Wright: 12:57
That was back in the 60s Back in the 60s, yeah, and he said he proposed that depression occurs when there's too little norepinephrine in the circuits. Alternatively and we mentioned this maybe in last episode mania results when there's too much neurotransmitter in the brain.
Matt Fox: 13:16
Yes, it just can't shut itself off, right.
David Wright: 13:19
So there is definitely evidence that supports the brain. Yes, it just can't shut itself off, right. So there is definitely evidence that supports the hypothesis. It's hard to categorize, it's hard to study because it's so subjective, let's say, because there's not really a test to do. You can't go in your brain and test the level of neurotransmitters no, so we have to go by symptoms, and that's where the symptomology leads usransmitters. No, so we have to go by symptoms and that's where the symptomology leads us to a diagnosis. Okay, does that make sense? It does, yep. So another is called serotonin. You've probably all heard of that. Again, this serotonin is also a feel-good chemical. It helps regulate mood and it has a number of different jobs in your body, from your gut to blood clotting, to sexual functions.
Matt Fox: 14:07
Okay, serotonin A lot of people, and pardon me if I really missed up here, but vitamin D deficiencies, yep, lack of sun, yep, that's part of serotonin.
David Wright: 14:23
I don't know. I have to be honest, I don't know that for sure.
Matt Fox: 14:26
You get the sunlight and you absorb the vitamin D from the sun. Right, that's where I think serotonin's coming in, because you have to have that. You have a vitamin D deficiency from that lack of light, lack of sun.
Announcer: 14:42
And there could lead into that.
David Wright: 14:44
There's so many things that connect to this as well. So really, with serotonin, serotonin has kind of taken, I guess, center stage, for lack of a better term as far as depression goes over the past 20, 30 years better term as far as depression goes over the past 20, 30 years because most anti well, I shouldn't say most, some. Some antidepressants are things like Prozac are called SSRIs, which stands for and that is serotonin selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, okay. Serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, okay. So we talked about last episode.
David Wright: 15:24
When somebody has in their brain synapses it sends a signal and then there's chemical left over to be used again. With SSRIs they leave that in play so it doesn't get sucked back up. And I know I'm being very simplistic with this, you're fine, but just to kind of give everybody the understanding of it. So again, it would be kind of like back to the analogy of an automobile the fuel would stay there for use immediately, rather than getting taken back up and then reprocessed Okay. So researchers have looked into serotonin's role and mood disorders for 30, 40 years. It's been a long time. Um, so they're newer antidepressants which are a little bit different. They don't act on specifically on the serotonin reuptake, which is SSRIs that that's what they do. They prevent these chemicals from being uptaken so they can be used immediately.
David Wright: 16:23
Okay, does that make sense? It's kind of like you don't want to put it into storage, you want to use it right now. Again, that's very simplistic, but that's the best thing, and there's no backup and there's no backup.
Matt Fox: 16:33
There's no backup?
David Wright: 16:33
really yes. So there are some newer antidepressants called SNRIs, which are serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors, my goodness. So they focus on two different neurotransmitters Things like Effexor is a good example that targets both of those. They target serotonin and norepinephrine. And also tricyclic antidepressants, tcas, also affect both norepinephrine and serotonin, goodness. So the problem with these, specifically with SNRIs or TCAs, is that the side effects are. They can be fairly serious and not necessarily life-threatening, but dry mouth, blurry vision, constipation, urinary issues sign me up just saying so. The good thing is, um ssris, which is the one before, that they don't affect histamine. They don't have the same side effects or any cardiovascular issues. See okay.
Matt Fox: 17:43
so, dave, you brought up side effects, and that's the thing that a lot of folks are afraid of when it comes to taking medication is the side effects you know when you see a commercial on television today. It'll ramble through all of the different side effects.
David Wright: 18:00
And they have to do that by law, by law it's required, because these are possible side effects of a medication, and even an antidepressants the lists are getting longer they are but even with antidepressants, something like prozac or something like cymbalta or something like zoloft, the one of the listed side effects on all of those medications is suicidal thoughts. Anal leakage what?
Announcer: 18:23
No.
David Wright: 18:23
What, what.
Announcer: 18:25
What? What in pieces are you talking about?
Matt Fox: 18:30
No suicidal thoughts, Boy that escalated quickly.
Announcer: 18:34
I mean that really got out of hand fast.
Matt Fox: 18:37
But suicidal thoughts.
David Wright: 18:38
It's like, okay, okay, I'm taking a medication to move away from right things and, and that is kind of the, the duality of the of a lot of these antidepressant medications, that that there is a possibility it could make symptoms worse. Now, that's a rarity and again they have to list those because it has been documented in the past, but, as you stated in the episode before, everybody's brain chemistry is different.
Matt Fox: 19:02
Yes, absolutely so yes, they do have to list out all those things.
David Wright: 19:05
Well, and I will give you full disclosure as a therapist working for 32 years, and we have a psychiatrist on staff. We refer people to the psychiatrist who we feel like could benefit from medication Fair. But here's the thing, medication Fair. But here's, here's the thing.
Matt Fox: 19:23
And I say to clients it may take a good few months, maybe six months, maybe a year, to get to the right place where you need to be See, and I I almost want to disagree with that in a perfect world right, a couple of months, maybe a year, but there are people that have been trying to figure this out for a much longer time.
David Wright: 19:39
You're right. And here's what happens. Because most antidepressants, the way they work is there's not an immediate effect. It's not like taking a Tylenol and you feel pain relief in an hour. There never is an immediate effect With depression medication. It has to build up into your system. So most cases when you try a new medication, we want to give it a month to see how it's working.
David Wright: 20:03
It, get it absorbed into the bloodstream, get it into your brain and again it has to level up, and you can't do that in a week or even two weeks.
Matt Fox: 20:11
And that's the. That's the other part of this is like okay, so this isn't working, now we're going to try something different. Now you have to wean off what you've been taking for the last six months and start something new and start something new. So now your body has to start Now.
David Wright: 20:25
I will say, in general, let's say that you're taking something like as long as you're in the same class of medication, but here's the thing, yeah.
Announcer: 20:35
We kind of got off topic. But go on, no that's okay.
David Wright: 20:37
Different types of antidepressants. There are two major classes the SSRIs and the MHO inhibitors. Okay, we're not going to get into that, but typically if you tried something and it failed we would go to the other side. The other, the MHO yeah, go to the other class to see if that might work for your brain chemistry and your physiology Fair. But again, might work for your brain chemistry and your physiology fair. But again that could take a couple months because you got to try something. If it doesn't work, then we have to. Like you said, sometimes if it's in the same class we can just kind of replace it. But you're right, sometimes you have to wean off and start again.
Matt Fox: 21:10
it's not, you don't have. You have to wean off and move it, move on to the next and there's a process and you have to be patient with that process.
David Wright: 21:20
Well, and here's the whole thing, and I say to clients I'm like, listen, if I told you in two months you're going to feel 80% better, would you, would you? Would you commit to that? I will put my best foot forward. There we go, and and and that's really the process with psychiatry and medication is that there are so many medications and we don't know what's going to work for each individual person but the patient has to want to.
David Wright: 21:46
Well, that's the whole thing too, because I have many examples of patients are like I don't want to take medication. I'm like, ok, that's fine, I understand that, but what's your option? Right To stay where you're at, or or try something different, and here's my also. The thing is, medication is never a solution, and I've said this to clients hundreds and hundreds of times, many times you've said that Medication is a tool to get you where you want to be.
David Wright: 22:17
Now I have clients who've taken antidepressants for a year, two years longer, and have been able to wean off and be okay. Some people have been on it their whole lives.
Matt Fox: 22:31
The end game in my mind, because I'm a person that I don't take a lot of medication Heartburn and what have you that? That's about the extent of it, right, but the end game in my, in my mind, in my uneducated mind, I should say, is you don't want to be on a medication forever.
David Wright: 22:52
And I mean ideally. You don't. You're right, some people will need that forever.
Matt Fox: 22:56
People have schizophrenia bipolar disorder and I 100% agree with this. But if you're dealing with a bout of depression, this is a stopgap.
David Wright: 23:04
It is especially for people who are depressed, who are situationally depressed, and there's a little bit different because, let's say, you lost a loved one, or you lost your job, or you have some other external stressors that are making you depressed. Yes definitely, medication can get you through that period of time. Agreed 100%, and that's different than what we call chemical depression, which is that imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. Right, yeah, okay, yeah. So here's what we're going to do, folks, because we're out of time.
David Wright: 23:42
Today we're going to do part three. I love part three and we're going to talk about and I'm just going to tease us a little bit how can you stimulate neurotransmitters in the brain? How can you possibly avoid having to take medication?
Matt Fox: 23:59
So we actually had a Ralph. He said you know, Ralph, I know that there is a need in everyone's life for a certain level of anxiety. Anxiety keeps us from running into traffic and jumping into lion's dens at the zoo. No, absolutely, yeah, I 100% agree, no, you.
David Wright: 24:15
And here's well. This tracks more to anxiety, because you have to have some level of anxiety or you wouldn't be safe. Like I said, if you're, just as Ralph said, if you're going to cross Telegraph Road, which is eight lanes of traffic, you better be a little bit anxious, because it keeps you safe.
Matt Fox: 24:32
You better have your head on a swivel, Right, yeah, but then he asked the question. Oh, that was good. He asked the question how do you know how much of those chemicals does one need?
David Wright: 24:43
Well see, that's the whole testing phase. Is that the?
Matt Fox: 24:45
psychiatrist, psychiatrist thing.
David Wright: 24:47
Because every medication. I'll give you a good example. Let's say, somebody has a mood disorder, so a good, a good medication for mood disorders would be something like Lamictal.
Announcer: 25:01
It's a mood stabilizer.
David Wright: 25:03
So there's always a starting dose of every medication and every medication is different. I can speak on Lamictal just because I have somebody who's fresh with that. 0.25 is the 0.25 milligrams a day. That's the starting dose. That's the starting dose. That's the starting dose, right? Some people do fine on that and it never goes any higher. Other people it gets bumped to 50, gets bumped to 75, gets bumped to 100. So, yes, there are different dosages based on what you're dealing with and that your psychiatrist will evaluate that. That's why, typically, when a psychiatrist will prescribe medication for the first time, they want to see you in a month, not six months. They want to see you in a month because they want to review how is this working on the lowest dose, on the lowest dose. And then they know okay, it's not working. You felt a little bit of relief. We're going to bump that up a little bit, or it hasn't worked at all.
Matt Fox: 25:58
Now we need to look at something different or I'm having side effects from the low side effects exactly now there is.
David Wright: 26:04
There is a. So, as far as side effects goes and this again, matt, you brought this up a lot of people have concerns about side effects of medication. There is a test that you can do, a blood test that will determine what class of medications you're more likely to have side effects from. The name's escaping me right now. I don't know why. I've told clients about this hundreds of times. It's the booze. It could be, yeah, but the point being is that you can get a blood test done ahead of time to say this class might be less likely to give you side effects than this class of medication, and that's what blood tests are for, right. So, definitely, if you're worried about side effects, that is definitely something I would recommend. All right, and your psychiatrist will know about this If you ask him about it.
Matt Fox: 26:53
He'll know, so I will remember every part of this conversation going into into episode three of of our topic no honestly, ralph, thank you for uh for chiming in there in your question.
David Wright: 27:07
I'm gonna meet ralph in a minute. That's why I meet ralph to to watch a football game oh fair, my buddy ralph all right.
Matt Fox: 27:13
Well, tell him.
David Wright: 27:14
We said hi, shout out ralph all right, get the uh, get the garlic knots ready. All right, here we go. I'll be there in a half hour.
Matt Fox: 27:20
All right, I gotta see how brock bowers is doing tonight.
David Wright: 27:22
So oh, dude, oh fantasy sidebar. Lost in one league in the playoffs. Lost in one league, one in the other league.
Matt Fox: 27:30
All right, I've, uh, I've. I had a week one by in my fantasy league, nice.
David Wright: 27:35
So you had you won the division or something.
Matt Fox: 27:37
Yes, I did, yes, so this is the week two of our playoffs.
David Wright: 27:41
Okay, I'm only in week one of the playoffs.
Matt Fox: 27:45
I need 16 more points. Who do you have? Brock Bowers, but every other week. 30 points, 8 points, 30 points yeah.
David Wright: 27:57
This is the 30-point week so I got my fingers crossed.
Matt Fox: 28:01
We hope so Come on, brock. Yeah, who's our Detroit dog recipe.
David Wright: 28:06
Oh yes, let's do that before we leave.
Matt Fox: 28:09
Chip, chip needs a home. All right, chip, aw, look at that, look at Chip. I like that bandana. He's got a very Santa bandana.
David Wright: 28:17
Chip is a cockapoo. When I was a kid, what did you call me? A cockapoo. All right, watch your face. Oh, he makes me a mite nervous when I drink Wrong one, all good I don't know why we're yelling.
David Wright: 28:30
Yeah, chip needs a home. There you go, chip. So he's a cockapoo. When, when I was a kid, when I was probably four, my parents brought a dog home for my sister's birthday she was 14 at the time and the dog we had was a cockapoo. We grew up with her. She was a fan Well, she wasn't, she was a little asshole is what she was, but with us she was fine. She hated If a stranger came in, do not let him near her, she would attack, but for us we loved her. So anyway, chip is a cockapoo. He's male, 20 pounds. Dog-friendly, yes. Kid-friendly, yes, over eight. Activity level is medium. All right, cockapoos typically are. Chip is ready. He needs a home. Oh, he's cute. I know he's got very clean teeth. He does.
David Wright: 29:22
Clean teeth, he does, yeah very white detroitdogrescuecom slash adopt ship needs a home, go get him. Yes, please, all righty, all righty folks, we're gonna be back next episode with the science of depression, part three. In the meantime, change your thinking, change your life, laugh hard, run fast, be kind. We'll see you next time.