Motor City Hypnotist
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The Science of Depression - Part 3
What if we told you that understanding the science behind depression treatment could change the way you approach mental health? Join us as we unravel the complexities of neurotransmitters and mood disorders, exploring both historical insights and modern-day treatments. From Joseph Schildkraut's catecholamine hypothesis to the permissive hypothesis by Arthur Prang and Alec Coppen, we cover the intriguing developments in understanding chemical imbalances. We discuss the vital role of antidepressants like SNRIs and SSRIs and tackle the challenges posed by age-related changes in the brain. With a deep dive into these scientific concepts, you'll gain a clearer picture of how medication manages neurotransmitter levels and why it's just one piece of the puzzle.
But medication isn't the complete answer to mental health. In our conversation, we emphasize the need for a holistic approach, where therapy, personal effort, and lifestyle changes are paramount to healing. Learn how self-care practices, such as massage therapy and chiropractic care, can significantly enhance mental well-being. And don't miss the heartwarming story of Paul Myers and Brian Harris—a powerful testament to human connection and the support systems essential for recovery. Stay tuned for our exciting holiday special announcement, promising an episode full of fun and spontaneity!
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The Motor City Hypnotist
David Wright: 0:00
In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotist Podcast. We're finishing up our episodes on the science of depression. A lot of information we are getting through it. We're going to need one more episode. Okay, but hang in there, because I got a special treat, because we're recording two tonight. Of course, it's a Monday night, so we typically record two episodes. So for our second episode we're going to do a holiday special. Okay, it's kind of off the cuff, but we're going to have fun with it and it is what it is Hang in there.
David Wright: 0:27
So if you guys are on Facebook live right now, stick around for the whole hour. We're doing two shows. Um, yeah, hang in there, folks, We'll be right back.
Announcer: 0:42
This sounds like something for the city of Detroit.
Matt Fox: 0:44
Guys like this can't take over here. Out of Detroit Spawned in the hellfires of Motown, take him to Detroit.
Announcer: 0:53
No, no, not Detroit, no, no, please Anything, but that no, stationed in Drambuie. It's worse than Detroit. We did not have, as a unit, the confidence that we felt like we needed to beat Detroit. Let's worse than Detroit. We did not have, as a unit, the confidence that we felt like we needed to beat Detroit. Let's go to Detroit. Now you're talking brother. I don't think so. He plays for Detroit. Now, do they have many farms in Detroit?
Matt Fox: 1:17
Detroit to Michigan. I go to school. I know where Detroit is.
Announcer: 1:21
Get ready for the Motor City hypnotist, David R Wright. Originating from the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, he has hypnotized thousands of people from all over the United.
David Wright: 1:30
States.
Announcer: 1:32
David R Wright has been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of an outpatient mental health and hypnosis clinic located just south of Detroit, where he helps people daily using the power of hypnosis. Welcome the Motor City Hypnotist David R Wright.
David Wright: 2:07
What is going on, my friends? This is David Wright, the Motor City Hypnotist, and we are back with another episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast. You know, you are, you are. That is Matt Fox, the other voice you hear. Yes, I'm happy to be here we're hanging out. We're here in the palatial podcast your voice, southfield Studios.
Announcer: 2:24
It gets more and more palatial.
David Wright: 2:25
It does Especially when you have a man cave right before my show.
Matt Fox: 2:29
Yeah, and those get more palatial as time goes on.
David Wright: 2:33
It's just nice. It's a nice place, yes. So yeah, here we are doing a podcast hanging out. Week of the holidays. Christmas Eve is tomorrow. Christmas Day is the day after.
Matt Fox: 2:45
Yeah, because you listen to podcasts anytime, anywhere. Yeah, that's right. So you'll get this it's right before Christmas. Yes, it is.
David Wright: 2:51
So we're here. Let me tell you, folks, where you can find me. My website is MotorCityHypnotistcom. Check it out. I just added a new section on there and we talked about this a few episodes back.
David Wright: 3:03
Ketamine-assisted hypnotherapy. Yes, we're doing it in both how should I say normal therapy and also with hypnosis, because it's a, and go back and listen to those episodes. They're like three or four episodes ago and we did two episodes on ketamine specifically. So if you have questions about that, go back and listen to those. You get all the information you need. If you want more information, go to my website, motorcityhypnotistcom. Check out the ketamine-assisted psychotherapy page, or ketamine-assisted hypnosis. It'll take you and give you all the information. You can contact us, fill out a form and, yeah, get locked in. There you go. Yes, my social media links Facebook and YouTube are both Motor City Hypnotist, and on Snapchat and Instagram, which are both Motor City Hypno, h-y-p-n-o. And for your free hypnosis guide, which we've given away every episode.
David Wright: 3:56
Going back to episode number one, text the word hypnosis to 313-800-8510. That number again 313-800-8510. That number again 313-800-8510. Beautiful, important thing wherever you're listening, whatever platform Spotify, itunes, wherever please like, subscribe, connect whatever you have to do on your platform. And the biggest thing is leave a review. I know I keep asking for this and I you know reviews help us because typically, honestly and I'm going to talk from personal experience Most of the time, most of the time if I leave a review, it's a bad review because of a bad experience, and I know it's just not human nature to be like oh, that was super great, I loved it, but if you could leave a review, that would be fantastic. It would help us out. It gets more listeners and gets the show out there. Got it Awesome, cool.
Matt Fox: 4:48
It is time, matt Already, it is yes, we're getting right to it, all right.
Announcer: 4:59
That's how winning is done.
David Wright: 5:02
Suck it to me. All righty, so that's a good story. All righty, so that's a good story, all right. 70-year-old Paul Myers was in the fast food restaurant a year ago when his heart stopped. Luckily for him, brian Harris walked inside at just that moment and leaped into action. Performing CPR and eventually, using a defibrillator, he restarted Myers' heart before an ambulance took him to the hospital. Wow, determined to shake hands that kept the blood pumping to his brain, myers took to social media in an effort to meet Harris. York Press now reports they've met up around three times since then and have become lifelong friends. How long ago was this? Hopefully we'll get that All right. Recalling the moment when he began performing CPR, harris said I fought hard. I wasn't going to give up. I was determined, I was going to fight for his life. Myers added that he is eternally grateful that Brian saved his life, but says that it's been really difficult to think of a way to thank him. You saved our lives. We are eternally grateful. When we met up for the first time, he got there before me and said Mr Myers, it is so good to see you alive. The only words I could give him were thank you.
David Wright: 6:13
Myers has no memory of the incident Wow, yeah. And says he was on his way to church meeting in the morning when he realized he was struggling to breathe. He knew that if he didn't sit down he would fall, so he decided to go into a McDonald's to take a rest. Harris was on a break from his job at the local railway station and was nearing the restaurant Then a woman came around the corner saying I think there's a man having a stroke. He remembered Harris said Myers' pulse was barely discernible and he was clearly struggling to breathe. Rather than losing it all, myers came out on the other side with a new friend and, hopefully for them both, a more intense exercise regime okay, thank you for that, because when you said that he was in a fast food restaurant had a heart attack, I'm like, well, duh well especially mcdonald's right, I mean for talking.
David Wright: 7:03
Mcdonald's got a common one. Mcdonald's right I mean for talking mcdonald's common one.
Matt Fox: 7:05
Mcdonald's gotten a lot of press lately but just saying and then secondly, the what? When somebody is having a heart attack it is kind of reminiscent of somebody having a stroke. Sure, if you don't know right difference between the two, right, so for the lady to walk around the corner, but I think he's having a stroke.
David Wright: 7:23
No, this guy knew he identified it was a heart attack. It was a heart attack, so good on him, so thank you Do you want to see the photos of Paul Myers and Brian Harris Sure?
Matt Fox: 7:36
See, there they are.
David Wright: 7:37
They're there.
Matt Fox: 7:37
All right, they're there. I like that.
David Wright: 7:40
Both looking good. Yeah, both looking good. Yeah, I don't know which one is which.
Matt Fox: 7:44
That's the problem well, the guy, okay, he, he's got a christmas sweater on and it's got uh oh, tasmanian devil on it nice, so I would assume that might be paul. Maybe no, I'm so happy. You know god works in mysterious ways, sure? And I mean sometimes people get put in positions and they put b positions and God put Brian there in the position to help. I want to say Mike. I want to say Mike Paul Myers.
David Wright: 8:13
Paul Myers yeah, that's why.
Matt Fox: 8:15
But yeah, so thank you for sharing that. I love when things can happen for a reason.
David Wright: 8:23
Especially. I mean, and again, it's just strangers meeting in this just unforeseen circumstance and it's just like, wow, that, just that's the. We've talked about this fight or flight. Yes, what do you do? Well, and and it's hard to say, because we've talked about this too, would you? The question always comes up well, would you do the same thing? That's like I don't know. I, I guess, until you experience circumstance, how would you know? Sure, you know, maybe I would run.
Matt Fox: 8:47
I don't know. I know I'd be the, I'd be the first one to be calling 911 and say you need to get here now. Well, that's true. And then you know, try to understand the circumstance in the situation. But I am not a, I am not licensed, I'm not a paramedic. If I try to give someone CPR or try to revive them, honestly, I get sued, you might unless you're certified. Unless you're certified, and that's why people don't act like you think they should.
David Wright: 9:13
That's kind of the shame that people just stop acting for fear of being in trouble, rather than doing their best to try to save someone. I want to do my best.
Matt Fox: 9:21
I'll be there to direct traffic. Okay, who here is certified? Because that's the life that we live in now. Any doctors on the plane, Right. But if I could save someone's life and I give them CPR and save their lives without the fear of repercussions, that's the world I want to live in.
David Wright: 9:38
Dave, absolutely, I agree. So anyway, it's a good story. A couple old guys enjoying their lives. Now that they're both alive Well, one is alive, the other one saved them, and good story. Thank you Fantastic.
Announcer: 9:57
That's how winning is done.
David Wright: 10:00
So, back to it. Yes, it is. Oh, you beat me to it, matt, I did so back to it, all righty. So we to it. Yes, it is. Oh, you beat me to it, matt, I did so back to it, all righty. So we're here. We're talking about the science of depression. This is episode three of the series. Yes, because there's a lot of information, but we are going to finish up on this episode, okay, fantastic. So when we ended last time, we were talking about the different neurotransmitters that are in your brain, and there are several dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, and really the neurotransmitters transmit the electrical impulses that connect between your brain synapses. That makes sense.
Matt Fox: 10:39
Go back to the spark plug analogy yeah, spark plug analogy.
David Wright: 10:42
The spark needs something conductant to get from one side to the other. Got it? The neurotransmitter is that. Conductor, conduit, conduit yeah, good call. So we talked about dopamine a little bit last time. So so, norepinephrine and I don't remember if we hit on this. I think this is where we stopped, I'm pretty sure.
Matt Fox: 11:00
We talked a little bit about it, but we could start here.
David Wright: 11:03
Okay. So norepinephrine is a little bit different because it's a neurotransmitter, but it is also a hormone, so it plays a major role in the fight or flight response, right, okay, along with adrenaline. I think we mentioned that. I think we mentioned that. I think we got to that point. So in the 1960s, a scientist named Joseph I'm going to mess up this name Shieldcrot.
Matt Fox: 11:29
You know what we did. Talk about norepinephrine, because I remember Shieldcrot. You do remember Shieldcrot, okay?
David Wright: 11:48
Of course I do. Suggested that norepinephrine was the brain chemical of interest for depression when he presented the catecholamine hypothesis of mood disorders, Would you call me so what he proposed is that depression occurs when there is too little norepinephrine in the brain circuits. Alternatively, mania results when there's too much of this specific neurotransmitter. Mania results when there's too much of this specific neurotransmitter, norepinephrine. Now there is evidence that supports this hypothesis, but as anything with research goes, it always gets challenged. People look at things in a different way, say, well, maybe that's right, this might not be right. So there are some opposing views on this.
Matt Fox: 12:18
Well, with any research, someone's going to say, well, that's not right. Yeah, I did this but, but again here's.
David Wright: 12:26
Here's the issue you with with medication specifically targeting norepinephrine. Just like any other antidepressant medication, it's probably going to help some people.
Matt Fox: 12:36
It may not help everyone's brain, because it's their brain chemistry.
David Wright: 12:39
Yes, absolutely the next one. The next that we're talking about is serotonin.
Matt Fox: 12:49
Now we've probably all heard this term, serotonin. We did talk about serotonin because I asked the question about doesn't that go towards vitamin D deficiency?
David Wright: 12:55
Yes, because serotonin is the feel-good chemical. And then we talked about the other feel-good endorphins that get released in your brain. So we did look at that. So researchers have looked into serotonin's role in mood disorders for almost 30 years. Arthur Prang and Alec Coppin's permissive hypothesis suggests that low serotonin levels cause norepinephrine levels to fall as well. So it's kind of like a cause and effect.
Matt Fox: 13:25
So you're saying it's all connected.
David Wright: 13:27
So they could say, and they hypothesize, that increasing serotonin could also help raise norepinephrine.
Matt Fox: 13:34
So it is all connected.
David Wright: 13:35
Yeah, it is all connected. So we're talking about there's newer antidepressants that have come out. I'm guessing on the years I don't have exact dates Within the last 30 years or so.
Matt Fox: 13:48
So, as a professional that uses medication as the last resort, yes, you know, this is the spot, the time where you go okay, now we need to try medication. So now we need to understand X, y and Z, so go on.
David Wright: 14:02
So newer antidepressants are called serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. Now that's a mouthful, it is. It's SNRIs.
Matt Fox: 14:11
SNRIs.
David Wright: 14:12
That's the initials that it goes by.
David Wright: 14:14
We talked about SNRIs. So a medication like Effexor is an SNRI. Okay, a medication like Effexor is an SNRI. So SSRIs, which are a little bit different and I don't want to get into the big explanation of that. So wait, let me back up a little bit. So these tricyclic antidepressants, these SNRIs, they affect norepinephrine and serotonin, but they also have the added effect of influencing histamine and acetylcholine, and these substances produce side effects such as dry mouth, blurry vision, constipation and urinary hazard. Sign me up. So with these new SNRIs, these side effects become less severe which is a good thing.
David Wright: 15:02
Again back to SSRIs. They don't affect histamine and they don't have the same side effects and they're safer from a cardiovascular standpoint. So in general, doctors prefer to prescribe SSRIs to start with. Are you going to drink that this? No, I'll drink it. You can drink that, I cause I poured another. I poured another extra. You like that one? I do? Yeah, I did like that one too, I liked. I like Jamie's better, Sorry.
Matt Fox: 15:31
You're not the first one.
David Wright: 15:31
That was, that was August.
Matt Fox: 15:35
That was August on jamie's, but uh, august was pretty good, mine was shit, so sorry, sorry to digress.
David Wright: 15:41
It was, it was fine. So here's what happens low levels of neurotransmitters can result when there's a breakdown in whatever process in the brain. Um, so there, the research has come up with several causes of chemical imbalances. Um, I'm not, I'm just going to list these, because cause and effect is a little bit difficult, because we don't know why it's caused sometimes. Right, the number one thing is molecules that help make neurotransmitters, specifically enzymes are in short supply, so your, your brain may lack certain enzymes to produce these neurotransmitters.
Matt Fox: 16:21
So that begs the question, dave, if your brain is lacking in those enzymes, what is it that you can do to help replenish said enzymes? Well, that comes with medication Right, and that's why some of this medication comes in to help reproduce.
David Wright: 16:36
Correct. Yes, to adjust those levels of neurotransmitters and each medication has a different target or some have the similar targets.
Matt Fox: 16:45
So, as a label, I just I'm trying to put the puzzle pieces together here.
David Wright: 16:48
Yes, and I know this can be very, very difficult or complicated, but but, but in general. The way I'd like to put it is that, like, sometimes neurotransmitters are off, either they're not being produced or they're not being uptaken correctly, and that's where medication comes in to help balance that. Okay, go on. The next thing is there's not enough receptor sites to receive the neurotransmitter. So sometimes, especially as we age, our brain has a degeneration. Synapses don't work as well as they used to. Some synapses stop working. Generation Synapses don't work as well as they used to. Some synapses stop working, and that can also be a cause of depression over time, especially in older individuals, or Alzheimer's, yeah, right, or or, and that's why sometimes there are not enough receptor sites, because they're not all functioning the way they should be. Sure and you'll understand this based on our prior prior episode, or two episodes ago presynaptic cells are taking the neurotransmitter back up before it has a chance to reach the cell as it's a recharge right so.
David Wright: 17:50
So we talked about when neurotransmitters are, are are used if it's not used totally it's taken back up to be reused again. So so this, this is one of these things where, um it, they're taking the transmitter up before it can get reused oh, wow, yeah.
Matt Fox: 18:08
So that's like taking away what you need.
David Wright: 18:10
Yeah, so let's. Let's go back to the gasoline engine, for example, if the gas is in the chamber and they remove it all. Yeah, you got nothing left to burn, right, yeah? The next reason there's too few of the molecules that build neurotransmitters are present. Again, it's a chemical imbalance and too little of a specific neurotransmitter is being produced. So your brain might be working fine with dopamine, but it might not be fine with serotonin. So certain transmitters can be lacking, sure, and that can cause depression, as well, my goodness.
David Wright: 18:48
Yeah, so understanding the science or the chemistry of depression and the reason I brought this episode up, because some people just don't understand why and I get this a lot, especially with depression acquaintances Okay, I mean cause most people know what I do but a lot of people are like, ah, depression, people aren't depressed, they just need to get, get off their ass and get moving or whatever, whatever excuse they have.
Matt Fox: 19:14
Yeah, so depression is. It has many faces. We'll say right. Just it could be about something that just happened and you're depressed about it.
David Wright: 19:25
Does that mean it could be situational depression and that is different than chemical depression.
Matt Fox: 19:30
Yes, and that's where people lack the knowledge. I'll don't get over it. No, you don't understand what that person has gone through or, genetically, has been disposed to at the same time.
David Wright: 19:41
Well, and I say this and I've used this example hundreds of times, I'm sure I've used it on a podcast you have two people. They both have an experience exactly the same they lose a parent. Yeah, one person grieves for a month and they get on with their life and they feel better. The other person stays in the grief stage for 10 years. Yeah, they can't get past it, right, the only difference between those two people is how they think about it, and your thinking is affected by your brain chemistry.
Matt Fox: 20:09
Point taken. There you go, go on.
David Wright: 20:11
Yes, so, understanding the chemistry. What I want you to do is understand that there are treatments available, even based on the chemistry and the science of it. Psychotherapy is often you know, therapy is often helpful for people with depression to talk things out. A lot of times, medication is added to enhance that therapy process. I will say and you know this, matt, because you know me well enough medication is not an answer, it's a tool. Yes, so it's great if you're taking medication and it's working for you, but you still have to do work. You still have to address the're that you feel like you need to address you get out what you put into it yes absolutely.
David Wright: 20:55
There's no magic bullet, there's no simple solution. It's the individual you have to work at. Yes, yep, and, and really here's the thing to complicate treatment further. You know, here's the problem medication doesn't treatment further. You know, here's the problem Medication doesn't always work.
Matt Fox: 21:09
So real quick, let me, let me. I said you get out what you put into it. You have to want to put the work into it.
David Wright: 21:16
Well and see, and there's, there's the double-edged sword with depression, because most, most people who are depressed don't have motivation to do anything, and that's the and that's the biggest stigma, that's the catch-22. That, yes, I need to work on things, but I just don't care, I don't feel like it, I'd rather just stay in bed. So what pill do I take for that? Well, again, that's the whole question. So medication doesn't always work and sometimes it's a trial and error method. With medication you may start an antidepressant Typically with most antidepressants, both classes or all three classes. Now you need a few weeks to a month to have it build up in your system. So you're not really going to know if something is working for three or four weeks at minimum.
David Wright: 22:04
And then if that doesn't work, then we have to try something new and start the cycle over again so, so clearly.
Matt Fox: 22:10
I'm having a little reaction over here because it takes three, four weeks for the medication to build up into your system, into your brain chemistry. Yeah, what are you doing in those three to four weeks?
David Wright: 22:23
well, no, that's the whole question. You should be going to therapy every week, every minimum some people should be going to therapy every week, every minimum.
Matt Fox: 22:27
Some people should be going every every week, once a week. Some people need to go twice, three times a week, because they're they don't have that motivation.
David Wright: 22:35
They might be in crisis. They, they, they could be in a if, if, if people are more actively suicidal.
Matt Fox: 22:43
Yes, we, we need to be, we need to touch base at least a couple of times a week. Missing is the diagnoses as to how often they should be seeing somebody right as they are well, and that is really up to the therapist and psychiatrist who's prescribing the medication.
David Wright: 23:14
and you and you know in in our clinic, if somebody is seeing our doctor, dr sing, for medication, sure, we require them to also do therapy. Yeah, that's part of it. We offer you a service. You see Dr Singh, he manages your medication to help you, but that means you also have to attend therapy. That's just our rule and most places, I think, have something similar.
Matt Fox: 23:37
But back to my original. The person has to want to.
David Wright: 23:40
Right. Well, and here's the thing Most people who call the office are ready to do something because they're tired of suffering, sure.
Matt Fox: 23:48
I mean at some point I don't take that away. I don't take that away from anybody, Right, but once they learn what it's going to take, that's where the motivation might go, eh.
David Wright: 23:56
I don't know. Yeah, no, it's a battle. It really is, and there's no easy answer.
Matt Fox: 24:00
There isn't, and that's where I think the next level of understanding the brain chemistry really has to come into effect.
David Wright: 24:08
And here's the thing Sometimes people who are severely depressed need to be pushed a little bit and they might be resistant. But this is been a couple of studies done that find that currently available antidepressants that are on the market right now only work in about 60% of people they're subscribed to or prescribed to.
Matt Fox: 24:40
In my opinion, as an uneducated individual in this industry, that you're talking about that's just too low yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
David Wright: 24:51
So so, that being said, if you're in the other 40 percent, what do you do then? There's now. Now here's where we get into. Medication alone it will help, but it's not going to resolve anything because it's a tool. It may not Because it's a tool. Or it may not help Because it's a tool Absolutely. It's just another thing that we have at our disposal to try to help. And the next part, matt, you mentioned, you alluded to earlier. Research also suggests that neurotransmitter levels can be affected by factors other than medication Stress, life events, low self-esteem, things like that. So here's the thing. The bottom line is, even if you're taking the antidepressant, it doesn't necessarily resolve the underlying issue that you're experiencing. Okay, that's why we need the medication to adjust your brain chemistry, chemistry. But you also need therapy to improve stress management, heal from emotional wounds, regulate emotions, improve thinking patterns. This all goes into it. And unless you the medication allows you to focus on these things, it doesn't fix what's wrong right and that, and that's the I hate.
Matt Fox: 26:05
I hate to say that's where a lot of folks are confused, because I start taking this, it's going to get better. No, you need to put the work into it while taking said medication.
David Wright: 26:15
Here's the thing and I don't want to bum people out, especially if you're already depressed but there's no easy answer. No, there's no magic bullet, there's no single pill. Medication can help, psychotherapy can help, but you have to do something on your end, which means and again, generally speaking, make sure you have a structure, make sure you're sleeping well, make sure you're not using drugs and alcohol. But these are things that seem like common sense, but many clients you have to say, yeah, you're taking your antidepressant, but you're still drinking 10 drinks a day, the general population.
Matt Fox: 26:53
they're like, I'm going to continue on with what I do.
David Wright: 26:57
And this is the question How's that going for you? How's that working for you, what you're doing so far? I'm on my third type of medication right now, I'm just saying though that's the response I have.
David Wright: 27:07
The clients I'm like well, how's this working for you? And when they say not good, I'm like, exactly, you have to make changes and that's the whole thing. Whether it's depression or anxiety or PTSD or bipolar disorder, whatever it is, you have to take action, you have to work at changing, and if you don't change, other things may help for a time being, but they're not going to resolve the issues you got to dig deep.
David Wright: 27:33
And here's the thing. That's why you have psychiatrists, that's why we have therapists, that's why we have, you know, massage therapists. I'm going off just even taking care of self-care type things that will make you feel better. Just even taking care of self-care type things that will make you feel better. That's up to you. A therapist and a psychiatrist can do the things and tell you to do the things or help you to guide you to do the things, but if you don't do them, that's on you.
Matt Fox: 27:57
Hell. Even a chiropractor will help you out.
David Wright: 27:59
Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, there are all types of self-help things.
Matt Fox: 28:05
There is a lot of resources that are out there other than medication, absolutely Stretch therapy. I've learned a lot about stretch therapy over the past couple of months. A chiropractor will help to understand how your body is framed and can you align you and all of a sudden you feel better because you're sitting up straighter.
David Wright: 28:27
Let me throw this one out, matt too, because I just started last. Maybe it was before summer, I don't remember, but either way, I got a. I get a massage package at Massage Envy Good for you. So I go maybe once a week or once every other week, but I didn't really. I mean, I always knew I was like not flexible at all. Sure, like not at all. Sure, you can give me a million dollars to touch my toes. It will never happen. I'm just saying I physically I wouldn't be able to do it.
David Wright: 28:56
I had this. This show my left shoulder I tore. I tore my rotator cuff, I'm not kidding. 30 years ago, whitewater rafting. Okay, it's never been the same, and it was the point where I just had limited range of motion. So when I started playing golf a couple years ago, I'm like the shoulders killing me yeah after about four months of massage every week or every other week, this is totally loosened up.
David Wright: 29:19
See, they worked it out. Self-care work, and and again to me I was was like oh geez, am I going to need surgery? Am I going to have to? No, it's fine. I swear to God. A year ago I could not lift my arm straight up in the air, yeah, without it catching or being this like knife pain in my shoulder. Love it. There we go. All right, folks, here's the big thing. If you are depressed, if you are taking medication again, the big thing is you have to work on yourself. You have to make that commitment, see somebody that can help you along that journey. That's what therapists are for. We don't have answers, we don't have a simple solution, but we can guide you to where you need to be as long as you're willing to do the work, we can get you to where you want to be.
Matt Fox: 30:06
So and I appreciate that if that individual, or if you are depending on someone who is a close friend for a long time and they just say and they're more, very agreeable.
David Wright: 30:16
That's not the person you should be talking to well, no, you need somebody that's gonna be truthful with you yes and honest.
Matt Fox: 30:23
You know, if someone's like well, okay, well, and they just bend over, well, there are a lot of enablers out there and and that's in, that's where you need to remove yourself from that situation of that conversation. If you truly want to get better, you need to put yourself into a situation with a professional.
David Wright: 30:39
Yeah, that is going to absolutely, absolutely all righty folks. That is it for the science of depression.
Announcer: 30:48
It's a lot Before we take off today.
David Wright: 30:49
It is a lot. And again, here's the thing I see people every day. I've been doing it for 32 years. You can get to a better place. That's what I want to leave you with. It's possible because I see I work with people every day who have improved. So don't lose hope. Reach out, Get some help. I love it. Speaking of reaching out, somebody needs help. Lucky needs help. Lucky needs help. Lucky. What is it? Lucky? It's a beagle, Aw, Born in 2019, so probably about five-ish, six-ish 40 pounds.
David Wright: 31:23
It's a male, I would say medium, dog-friendly. Yes, cat I would say.
Matt Fox: 31:29
I would say medium, dog friendly, yes, cat friendly, unknown kids over five okay but medium energy level.
David Wright: 31:31
Look at that face what?
Matt Fox: 31:35
what is it? What do you? What do you? Is tim? What is that boy's? Timmy in the well? It's timmy in the well. Uh, I used to. I, my parents, had a beagle when I was growing up. Her name was jamie. Oh boy, but lucky needs a home. My goodness, neutered male at that all right.
David Wright: 31:52
So what a precious face that he's like five years old and he's at the shelter, unless somebody had to give him up for whatever reason yeah, the owner may have died.
Matt Fox: 32:00
Yeah, I know, you just don't know. You don't know why animals end up there.
David Wright: 32:03
But beagles are cute, cute puppies did have I told you my beagle story. No, you want there? There was a family across the street, three houses down. Okay, family, um, parents, they had three boys. So we in the neighborhood we would play at their house. They come to our house but they had a beagle. So I don't know, for some reason, one day one of the one of the beagles owners there's three kids, three boys and we were over there and they're like oh, this is a game we do. All the time they pull his tail and try not to get bit.
Matt Fox: 32:33
That's not a good game. It's my turn. Guess what happens.
David Wright: 32:37
I pull his tail, I get bit Like, bit Like blood coming down my hands Like he tore me up. So I go home and my mom's like what happened.
Matt Fox: 32:48
Were you foaming from the mouth I?
David Wright: 32:49
don't know. So we had to go to the hospital and make sure I had a tetanus and all that, or you know make sure I was up on my rabies or whatever.
Matt Fox: 32:56
Beagles are very cute puppies.
Announcer: 32:58
Yep.
Matt Fox: 32:59
Their bark is something to get used to Bark. Yeah, they have a very distinctive bark.
David Wright: 33:07
They do have a distinctive bark. Lucky needs a home. Detroitdogrescuecom slash adopt. Look at that face. Yeah, he wants to snuggle with someone. Go get him. All righty folks, that is our show. Join us. Those of you on Facebook Live, stick around. We have one more show tonight. Those of you, on whatever platform you're on, skip ahead to the next episode, or it will be there next Tuesday or Thursday. In the meantime, change your thinking, change your life. Laugh hard, run fast, be kind. We'll see you soon. You.