Motor City Hypnotist
Motor City Hypnotist
Navigating the Waves of Bipolar Disorder - Part 3
The boundary between bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder often blurs in popular understanding, leaving many confused about these distinct but sometimes overlapping conditions. In this third installment of our comprehensive bipolar disorder series, we untangle these commonly confused diagnoses by highlighting their fundamental differences.
While both conditions involve mood disturbances, the patterns reveal crucial distinctions. Borderline personality disorder manifests as rapid, moment-to-moment mood shifts often triggered by interpersonal interactions and frequently accompanied by self-harming behaviors. Bipolar disorder, however, involves extended periods of mania or depression that can last weeks, months, or even a year—a temporal difference that significantly impacts diagnosis and treatment approaches.
We explore who typically develops bipolar disorder, with most cases emerging in individuals' mid-twenties. Though affecting males and females in equal numbers (approximately 5.7 million Americans overall), the condition presents differently across genders. Females tend toward "rapid cycling," experiencing more frequent mood transitions possibly due to hormonal differences and medication patterns.
The podcast conversation weaves through serious clinical information while maintaining an accessible, sometimes lighthearted tone—exemplified by our celebration of co-host Matt's recent hole-in-one golf achievement. This balance reflects our approach to mental health discussions: factual and informative while remaining human and relatable.
Understanding bipolar disorder means accepting that everyone's brain is wired uniquely. Whether you're personally affected by this condition or supporting someone who is, recognizing these differences is the first step toward effective management and treatment. Join us for the next episode as we continue exploring this complex condition with compassion and clarity.
Looking for mental health resources or interested in hypnotherapy approaches? Text "HYP" to 313-800-8510 for a free hypnosis guide that might complement traditional treatment approaches.
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The Motor City Hypnotist
David Wright: 0:00
In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotist Podcast we're doing part three of bipolar disorder. This was originally meant to be two episodes, but you guys, if you've listened to my podcast, you know how it goes.
Announcer: 0:14
We digress, we get into the weeds. Sometimes we digress.
David Wright: 0:16
It's fine, but this is part three of bipolar disorder. We're going to discuss it, get just a brief overview of what we covered in the last two episodes and then move on to further information. And, as usual, we're giving away free stuff. Hang in there, folks, we'll be right back.
Announcer: 0:34
This sounds like something for the authorities in Detroit. Well, joke's on you. I'm living to 102 and then dying at the city of Detroit.
Matt Fox: 0:42
Guys like this can't take over here out of Detroit.
Announcer: 0:54
Spawned in the hellfires of Motown. Take him to Detroit. No, no, not Detroit. No, no, please, anything but that no, stationed in Drambuie, it's worse than Detroit. We did not have, as a unit, the confidence that we felt like we needed to beat Detroit. Let's go to Detroit. Now you're talking brother. I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now. Do they have many farms in Detroit? Detroit to Michigan.
Matt Fox: 1:16
I go to school, I know where Detroit is.
Announcer: 1:18
Get ready for the Motor City hypnotist, David R Wright. Originating from the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, he has hypnotized thousands of people from all over the united states. David r wright has been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of an outpatient mental health and hypnosis clinic located just south of detroit, where he helps people daily using the power of hypnosis. Welcome the Motor City Hypnotist, David R Wright.
David Wright: 2:05
What is going on, my friends? This is David Wright, the Motor City Hypnotist, and we are here with another episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast. Yeah, you are. That is Matt Fox, the other voice. You hear what's up? We're here in the palatial Podcast, your Voice, southfield Studios, doing a podcast, having a beverage and hanging out. It's a Monday, as we usually do. It's a Monday evening. That's typically where we're at, other than last Monday when Matt and I were out golfing. We'll get to that in a little bit.
Matt Fox: 2:35
Oh, you asshole.
David Wright: 2:37
But we're here doing a podcast talking about bipolar disorder, and this is part three. Before we get started with the episode, let me tell you, folks, where you can find me.
Announcer: 2:47
My website is MotorCityHypnotistcom.
David Wright: 2:51
I know fair season is about and active and right now I don't have any fairs scheduled, but I know they're coming up and if somebody bails on you or you're having issues with entertainment, go to the website motorcityhypnotistcom, check on shows and you can have a quote within minutes. Yeah, my social media links are facebook and youtube are both motor city hypnotist. Snapchat, instagram and tiktok are all motor city hypno. Can I say it? You can say it. It's h? Y, h-y-p-n-o.
Matt Fox: 3:23
Motor City.
David Wright: 3:23
Hypno H-Y-P-N-O.
Matt Fox: 3:25
I love that.
David Wright: 3:26
And, as we've done, every episode, going back to number one, and we're on episode 309, I think, something like that, something like that. It's up there, we're up there. I had it earlier, I don't know where it is Text the word hyp to 313-800-8510. And within minutes, you'll have your free hypnosis guide and also a link that will ask you to leave a review for the Motor City Hypnotist on Google, which would be greatly appreciated. You can review the website. You can review the podcast. You can review. If you've seen a show I've done, you can review that as well. All reviews are accepted there, so check that out. I would greatly appreciate that review. Yes, please, awesome. Here we go. And wherever you're listening, like podcast, whatever platform spotify, itunes, stitcher, whatever it is, whatever platform, whatever it is subscribe, subscribe. That's the important. So you'll just get the new episodes whenever they drop.
David Wright: 4:25
And the big thing is leave a review because that helps us, and I know I'm guilty of this myself. I listen to a lot of things. I don't often leave positive reviews, but I should do that more often. It's a lesson for me to follow, as I tell you to do it. But leave a review because that helps us get more listeners and that is kind of the whole goal. Yes, it is Awesome. Here we go. It is time, matt, it's the winner of the week.
Announcer: 4:59
That's how winning is done.
Matt Fox: 5:00
The winner of the week better be a fucking dog.
David Wright: 5:03
A dog. It's not a dog, god damn it. It could be an animal, though, all right, maybe like a fox. Matt Fox is our winner of the week this week. He's a repeat winner of the week. He was originally a winner of the week because he competed and finished a Tough Mudder contest a couple years ago, two years ago.
David Wright: 5:25
Yeah, I was with Matt last Monday, a week ago from today, on the golf course and Matt hit a hole in one. It was fun. Matt hit a hole in one, a Westburn golf course in South Rockwood, michigan. Yeah, hole 10, 185 yards or so on a par three. Matt steps up. Well, let me get. Let me let me give you the scenario, because it's I hit first. Yep, I hit one the flight. I'm like be good, all right, wait, wait, wait you hit first because you had honors.
Matt Fox: 5:56
Okay, and that's the reason. That's the whole thing whoever hit better on the previous previous hole goes first. Right, you had honors because I was sucking my own blah blah blah all day long. So, yes, you stepped up, you hit the ball. I stepped up first.
David Wright: 6:13
Perfect draw flight. I think I hit a six iron. It's going. It's drawn right towards the flag. I see it bounce on the green and roll past the hole. So I'm probably a good 15 feet past the hole. Matt steps up next hits his shot. Same exact shape. This thing draws right towards the flag. I see it bounce on the green and then I lose it and I'm like oh, I saw it bounce on the green, matt, I think you're good. I think we're dancing. I told it to get pretty Right. I said get pretty. Yeah, I think we're dancing. I told it to get pretty Right, you did. I said get pretty. Yeah, you did, all right. So we get in the cart driving up to the hole and I see my ball on the back of the green. I don't see Matt's ball.
David Wright: 6:51
Nope, my ball was not on the green and I'm like I saw it bounce. I know I saw it bounce on the green.
Matt Fox: 6:59
And Matt was doubtful, I thought I went over.
David Wright: 7:01
He's like, oh no, it's on the side or it's in the back, yeah. And as we get closer and closer to the green, there's only one ball on the green, that's mine, yeah. So we get out, start walking up to the green. I'm like let's go to look.
Matt Fox: 7:12
I was, I was, I saw it bounce, I was so apprehensive, I know you were so nervous I, so we stroll up to the hole.
David Wright: 7:28
look down.
Matt Fox: 7:30
There's the ball. Yeah, and it was in the cup and I made it really awkward.
David Wright: 7:35
Oh no, you didn't, I was. I was like, I started screaming.
Matt Fox: 7:43
The guys waiting for us were like what the hell? They forced them on the tee, or like they were happy.
Announcer: 7:49
They were happy.
David Wright: 7:50
Oh, they started clapping. They knew what happened.
Matt Fox: 7:52
It was an experience and for those of you that haven't had the experience of hitting one ace, yep, it's definitely something that you will cherish for a very, very long time.
David Wright: 8:04
So I told matt I'm like put that ball somewhere safe, don't play that ball on the next I hit it on the next one and lost it. No, you did not no I know because you listen to me. I said put that somewhere where you know it is this is the hole in one ball. Yep, it's got to be preserved as I put it in your bag.
David Wright: 8:22
As I had mentioned, on the man cave, I I always mark my balls with my you do mf with an mf right, so it's my mf and ball with an mf, right, so it's my mf and ball and yes, so I've got, I have it, it's my mf and ball and it's we need to get it. We need to get you a nice display case, yeah, to put that on your shelf and and brag to people.
Matt Fox: 8:42
Well, okay, yeah I just didn't do that. You need to brag. It was an experience and here's the thing I actually shared the the moment with one, shared the moment with my parents and with my partner and my leader at work. And my leader at work is a big golfer, he is Nice, and he asked if he could post those pictures that you took on the landing page for all of the team members at work. Oh, fantastic page for all of the team members at work.
David Wright: 9:10
Oh fantastic.
Matt Fox: 9:10
So this entire past week and even today, I'm getting folks that are saying thank, congratulations. That's great, but they're saying I love the shirt because, Because you have a shirt with foxes on it. It's a green shirt with foxes all over it, but it's been an experience.
David Wright: 9:28
It's funny, matt, you say that because Kendra, my missus, when she saw the photo, she's like, oh, I totally get the shirt. Yeah, she totally got it, yeah.
Matt Fox: 9:38
When I called my father, he was very proud.
David Wright: 9:41
Oh, fantastic.
Announcer: 9:42
And my mother was very proud.
Matt Fox: 9:44
They were like that's really cool. I'm really proud of you. My father told me a golf joke. Yes, Because as my father does, and I'll share this for winner of the week.
David Wright: 9:53
Yes.
Matt Fox: 9:53
He said so. These two older gentlemen, they've been golfing together for years and you know, and it's, they are like every time they go out they start at eight and they're done by three and he's home by 330. Right, yeah, so this one day these two gentlemen they go out golfing and gentleman steps up to it, up to the tee, and he hits his ball and it's great shot. His buddy steps up. He doesn't get home. The first guy that shot. He doesn't get home until about eight o'clock that evening and his wife is freaking out oh where are you? And she's like what's going on? You know, he's like, she's like you're always home by 3 30.
Matt Fox: 10:37
What happened? He's like well, you know, first shot I went up there and swung the ball 150 yards right down the middle. It was just not long, but it was perfect, it was right down the middle. Then charlie steps up to the tee and hits his ball and drops dead of a heart attack right there. And his wife is like oh my God, what happened? What took you so long? Why didn't you call me? He's like well, we started. So you know, I go and I hit my next shot. Drag Charlie along, hit my next shot, drag Charlie along, because once you start a round, you don't stop You're there.
David Wright: 11:18
You're there for the duration no matter how bad it gets. Right, because I will say after Matt's hole-in-one I was already having a fairly good round.
Announcer: 11:28
You were having a great round.
David Wright: 11:30
I felt like I was doing really good, but I got pumped up after his hole-in-one, being the one who witnessed it.
Matt Fox: 11:35
I didn't even hit it. You were pumped, I was pumped, I was so amped up.
David Wright: 11:37
Yes, and I think that the next two holes were par fives in a row.
Matt Fox: 11:44
Yeah, yeah, we didn't do it in par shit. No, no.
David Wright: 11:47
But, no, no, but we were having so much fun after the fact we were it didn't matter, it did. I was like I might as well retire now. At that point it didn't matter if I shot a 20 on a hole, it didn't matter, we were happy. So Matt Fox, hole-in-one on hole number 10 at Westburn Golf Course in South Rockwood, put my name on that plaque. 185 yard. I don't care. Five iron. It was a five iron, five iron, yeah, because I'm weak, perfect. No, it doesn't matter, you put it in the hole.
Announcer: 12:17
It doesn't matter if you use it on your driver to get 100 yards or 180 yards. That's fair. It doesn't matter.
David Wright: 12:22
You're good, definitely winner of the week for sure, I appreciate you that's how winning is done.
Matt Fox: 12:44
Yes, it is good times with matt. So back to it. See, I'm kind of curious because, as things progress, as you, as you relive the stories that you experience, I'm wondering how much more embellished that story is going to become over the coming years and decades. How can you?
David Wright: 12:56
embellish it. You hit a ball. It went in the hole. You can't embellish perfection, that is it. I'm just kidding. I mean you could say you, I don't know. No, there's no way to construe that.
Matt Fox: 13:10
I used a pitching wedge Doesn't matter.
David Wright: 13:11
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter For 185 yards. I don't care if you hit it with a baseball bat, it's still one in the hole.
Matt Fox: 13:21
It's all good. Yes, all right. So, speaking of we've got to switch gears, yeah, we're definitely switching gears, part three.
David Wright: 13:28
Part three of bipolar disorder.
Matt Fox: 13:29
Yes.
David Wright: 13:30
So in the first couple of episodes, if you haven't listened to those, you can go back and catch those and come back here, or you can listen to this and go back, doesn't matter, you get all the information anyway. So we talked about what bipolar disorder is, we defined it and we talked about the manic episodes and the depressive episodes and also discussed why bipolar is no longer called manic depression. Yes, again, that kind of just changed because it was a better descriptor of what this disease is.
David Wright: 14:00
The DSM-5 kind of changed it up a little bit, yep. And then we talked about the types of bipolar disorder, the four types. So what we're going to talk about now, leading in as far as continuing on this bipolar disorder podcast, um, a lot of questions come up like okay, bipolar disorder it's a mood disorder and you get these highs and these lows and they vary and some can be more severe than others. But a lot of questions come up like what's the difference between borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder? It's a fair question Can you be both? You could be both. Okay, yeah, absolutely so. They have very similar symptoms and that's why they're often confused with each other, but they're at the same time distinct, but they're at the same time distinct. So bipolar disorder involves a longstanding pattern of abrupt moment-to-moment swings in moods. Behavior, self-image are also triggered.
Matt Fox: 15:02
As far as interactions go, self-injury is also common in bipolar disorder Is like cutting, or you say self-harm, so I'm asking so.
David Wright: 15:13
So non-suicidal self-harm, but cutting could be. So so I'm I gotta jump back because I misspoke. These are, these are. These are symptoms of, uh, borderline personality disorder. Again, abrupt moment, toto-moment mood changes, behavior and self-image issues, non-suicidal self-injury. That would be people and I have a lot of clients who experience this typically adolescent females. I don't know why this is the case, but they cut. A lot of adolescent females have cutting behaviors and that's part of a borderline personality disorder. It could be their legs.
Matt Fox: 15:50
It could be their inner thigh.
David Wright: 15:51
Typically it's hidden places where people can't see. So it's not visible, unfortunately. But bipolar disorder is different as far as borderline goes, because it involves distinct, longer-lasting episodes of mania or hypomania and or depression. So with borderline it can flip from moment to moment.
Matt Fox: 16:14
With bipolar disorder there are extended periods of time of these cycles and going back to a couple episodes ago, you said those extended times could be months. It could be a year, it could be a week, but they're extended periods of time.
David Wright: 16:33
So I think I used this example in one of the prior, in part one or two. But I have clients who have bipolar disorder. Sometimes their cycles happen once a year. They kind of know because it happens at the same time every year, which kind of makes sense because it depends on the time of the year and there are a lot of factors that go into that, whether isolation being inside, whatever it is. But yes, those, those periods tend to be longer in length than bipolar disorder, I'm sorry, than borderline, borderline thank you, borderline personality.
David Wright: 17:14
Appreciate that I'm using two B words and I keep swapping them. It's the welcome cocktail, so here's the other question is who does bipolar disorder affect? Like, how does it happen? Can it be random? Is it genetic? Does it come from experiences or events in your life?
Matt Fox: 17:34
And we talked about the whole genetic piece, because everybody's brain is wired differently. Your parents may have experience by being bipolar, or they were manic depressive, or they were you know whatever, but your brain is wired differently. Yes, there are genetics involved, but you are who, you are Right and nobody can change that. And you're beautiful that way.
David Wright: 17:59
Well, here's the thing. The only person can change it is yourself. My point.
Matt Fox: 18:03
You're beautiful that way, so either understand it and embrace it or give up.
David Wright: 18:09
And I hate to say it like that, no, but that is a situation a lot of people get into. They give up because they feel overwhelmed by it.
Matt Fox: 18:17
Because they don't have folks like yourself to walk them through phase one, phase two, step one, step two, whatever you want to call it. Everyone is wired differently and, yes, you will learn from experiences in your life. Yeah, either way that your parents handled it and it may come down to how you want to handle it, but you want to tweak it, you want to, you want to make that small change so you can be better absolutely than what you've already experienced, absolutely, thank you.
David Wright: 18:46
so the other question that comes up is like like how, who does bipolar affect? When does it happen? How does it happen? Well, you mentioned adolescent females. We did, but that was with borderline. That's borderline, but it can progress too, it could. So, in general, bipolar can affect anyone. I mean, just like any other disease. You could have the unlucky draw and this could affect you.
Announcer: 19:14
That's just a fact.
David Wright: 19:16
But the average age of onset.
Matt Fox: 19:18
A majority of people with bipolar exhibit symptoms in their middle 20s, mid 20s Mid 20s and this is kind of and I'm sorry to interrupt, no, it's okay. This goes back to what we spoke about a number of episodes back where it was that mid, it was that quarter life crisis Like young.
David Wright: 19:35
Well, yes, the quarter life crisis comes into play. But also most severe mental illnesses, majority of the cases kind of come out in the early twenties, Okay. So things like schizophrenia, sure, things like major depression, things like anxiety disorder, they tend to develop in the early twenties. So so this kind of fits into that, that timeframe. Now there are situations and again this is just a generalization because there have been reported cases of bipolar disorder in younger children or older adults, ages 40 or 50s even, but that's rare, percentage-wise, I can't place it. There's no data that backs that up. But again, a majority of the time, if you have bipolar disorder, you're typically seeing symptoms in your mid-20s.
Matt Fox: 20:28
I'm going to go out on a limb, typically seeing symptoms in your mid-20s. I'm going to go out on a limb. And, dave, as technology gets better, as we understand the brain more and more, we're going to start to be able to diagnose certain brain conditions, any condition, when they're in their adolescence and I would say in the next 50 years you're going to see that in toddlers, where they're going to be able to diagnose Okay, their brain is still growing, it's still, but they're going to be able to pinpoint, kind of like, how they can change the genetics of a DNA.
Matt Fox: 21:04
That would be fantastic if we could get to that, and I'm predicting that Right, because technology is already further ahead. I'm predicting that Right Because, you know, because technology is already further ahead than it was yesterday, sure. And we're only going to get better and smarter and. Ai is going to be a big part of that.
David Wright: 21:20
It will. But here's the thing with AI it pulls from data that's already been established. It will, that's what it? Does so it is. It's doing a scientist's job in seconds, yeah is what it's doing.
Matt Fox: 21:34
Yes, it is. That's why. That's why I'm giving it 50 years. I'm gonna be able to tell them toddlers right? You know what? What if they're going to suffer from?
David Wright: 21:42
if they're more presupposed to these. Thank you. Thank you for that, yes absolutely.
Matt Fox: 21:46
I just I just see it, I, I envision it, I know it's there. It's just I, I, we may not be around when it happens, right?
David Wright: 21:53
so whether you're 25 or even in your 50s, it it could happen. Bipolar could happen again. That later it's. It's rare but but it does still happen. But here's the thing bipolar disorder. As far as male female split, it's about equal. As far as the data goes, it's 50-50? But it tends to affect them differently.
Matt Fox: 22:19
Well, yeah, but it's going to affect everybody differently because everyone is unique.
David Wright: 22:25
But there's a distinction between males and females in the studies.
Matt Fox: 22:28
What are those distinctions?
David Wright: 22:29
at this point there's a distinction between males and females in the studies. What are those distinctions? At this point, females with bipolar disorder often switch moods more quickly. You don't say Meaning the time frame of these cycles is shorter. People with bipolar disorder who experience four or more manic or depressive episodes in a year is called rapid cycling. Right, that was in episode one.
David Wright: 22:53
We mentioned that Of this series, so varying levels of sex hormones and thyroid hormones, together with tendency for females to be prescribed antidepressants more often, may contribute to this rapid cycling in females, and they're prescribed those medications at an earlier age. It could be maybe, maybe, so.
Announcer: 23:15
Yeah.
David Wright: 23:16
So. So when we talk about bipolar disorder, like like what, what percentage of the population is affected? Like how many people have this? How many people are there in the world? Well, that, that's, that's a great question. So, bipolar disorder affects approximately 5.7 million people in the United States, just in the US, just in the US.
Matt Fox: 23:39
Just in the United States.
David Wright: 23:41
And I'll make this argument that it's probably more because many people don't seek treatment Right or don't acknowledge it. And I will also say this is also a very, I'll say, sobering statistic for the united states because I'm glad to hear that we're one of the most developed countries in the world.
David Wright: 24:03
yeah, and behind china, and yeah, but but I mean you're talking about even third world countries may not have that level or that percentage. So, again, we can take those figures and try and figure that out, but I don't know, I don't know what the answer is to that.
Matt Fox: 24:27
I think those statistics may change by the administration.
David Wright: 24:32
Well, that could happen, you're right. It could be totally different tomorrow, we don't know. Oh my God. It's hard to say so, folks, here's what we're going to do. We have a lot of information left.
Matt Fox: 24:46
Are we going to do a part four? We are going to do a part.
David Wright: 24:48
four let's do a part four, we have a lot of stuff left to cover. Uh, and I I don't. And and I know people who are listening they're like why do you split this up so often? It's because there's so much information and I want to make sure you get the information you need, that you can deal with what you're dealing with. So a lot of times we break these up into multiple episodes because nobody's going to listen for three hours.
Matt Fox: 25:11
No, God, no, no.
David Wright: 25:14
I mean we're not Joe Rogan, we're not going to be on the air for four hours.
Matt Fox: 25:19
And in your defense, our winner of the week took a little bit longer than normal.
David Wright: 25:23
It did because we had fun with that and we were enjoying talking about our fun day out and our fantastic memories that we made together.
Matt Fox: 25:32
It was worth the day off.
David Wright: 25:33
Absolutely All righty folks. So we're going to come back with bipolar disorder part four in the next episode. So those of you on Facebook Live, stay with us. We're going to record another episode. Those of you on audio and whatever platform you're on, you can skip ahead to the next episode. Those of you on audio and whatever platform you're on, you can skip ahead to the next episode. Or if it's not there, it will be there in the next Tuesday or Thursday Game on From where you're at. Here we go Before we go.
Matt Fox: 26:00
Who is it this time?
David Wright: 26:01
Somebody needs a home. Who is it? We've switched it up, matt. Who is it? Is it a cat? It is a cat. It's Tang, it is a cat. Oh, look at that. There we go, sweet.
Matt Fox: 26:12
She's adorable, it's Detroit.
David Wright: 26:13
Dog Rescue, but they have this cat, her name is His name. His name is Tang.
Matt Fox: 26:22
He's named after the astronaut juice, the astronaut orange drink.
David Wright: 26:26
Yes, absolutely, he's a domestic short hair. He's a neutered male short hair is good for folks that might have allergy allergies to the dander, and what have you? He's about 15 pounds. Uh, dog friendly unknown. Cat friendly unknown. Uh, kids older than eight okay, uh, activity level is medium. So so Tang is waiting, she was born, he was born. He was born in 2020.
Matt Fox: 26:54
All right, so he's about five years old. Five years old, All right, so he's got. He's got his. You're an asshole attitude right, absolutely. Yeah, take a look, man, if you want to look at the photo closer on he's adorable he is. I love the color he's got the white face with the orange around his eyes.
David Wright: 27:12
Yeah, I do love the coloring. Yeah, yeah. So Tang needs a home. Please, detroitdogrescuecom slash. Adopt. Check it out. Tang could be sitting on your lap tomorrow.
Matt Fox: 27:26
We do need to have Kristen here from Detroit Dog Rescue.
David Wright: 27:29
We do. We really do we need to get her in. I'm going to make this promise at the end of an episode, but we're going to do an episode on how pets help mental health.
Matt Fox: 27:40
And we're going to have her on and we're going to have her here. She would love that.
David Wright: 27:43
Absolutely She'll be here. So anyway, tang Needs a Home. Detroitdestrestcom slash adopt Alrighty folks. Again, facebook Live. People stick around. We're doing another episode. Change your thinking, change your life. Laugh hard, run fast, be kind. We'll see you next time, thank you