Motor City Hypnotist
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Oppositional Defiant Disorder Is Not Just Bad Behavior (part 1)
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Defiance gets blamed on attitude, laziness, or “bad parenting,” but what if the real issue is a nervous system that can’t calm down fast enough? We dig into oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) in a clear, practical way, breaking down what the diagnosis actually means and why it’s so often misunderstood. If you’ve ever watched a child or teen go from fine to furious in seconds, this conversation helps you see what may be happening beneath the surface.
We walk through the DSM-5 framework for ODD, including the three big clusters clinicians look for: angry or irritable mood, argumentative or defiant behavior, and vindictiveness. We also talk about everyday signs people notice, like frequent tantrums, constant arguing, refusing rules, blaming others, and being easily annoyed, then explain the key point that separates ODD from typical boundary pushing: intensity, consistency, and real impairment across home, school, and social life.
We also place ODD in context, including how it first appeared in the DSM in 1980 and why it differs from conduct disorder, which involves more serious, planned violations. From there, we get into what research and lived experience often point to: emotional dysregulation, executive functioning challenges, stress, trauma, ADHD, anxiety, depression, and other neurodevelopment factors that can combine into a perfect storm. We close with why families can miss the deeper issue at first and preview a Part Two with more support and next steps.
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Recorded May 11, 2026
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What ODD Means Today
SPEAKER_02In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotist Podcast, we're going to talk about oppositional defiant disorder. It's commonly known as ODD. If you've not heard of it, we're going to talk about it. We'll get into it, talk about the symptoms, kind of who's affected by it, and what you can do if you or your or your loved ones or somebody you know has ODD. And as usual, we're giving away free stuff. Hang in there, folks. We'll be right back.
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SPEAKER_01Wow. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Just that first sentence. It's like, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_01Deceased family relics of a family dog.
SPEAKER_02Yes. The priceless memorial relics of a deceased family dog.
SPEAKER_01That's isn't that did I say that? Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02I'm just, yeah, just making it clear. Making sure the cider is not talking. Yeah. When Holly and Brandon Dunn's car was broken into in Seattle's university district, the thief made off with the most irreplaceable items they owned. The ashes, ceramic paw, prints, and a memorial stuffed animal of their late Chihuahua Tia. What an asshole. Why would you steal that? Well, here's here's an answer, Matt. Okay. Thieves rarely look at anything they take, with time being squarely of the essence. They just grab everything that's not bolted down and they go through it later. This was exactly what happened with Holly and Brandon's car. As the thief would later deposit the to him worthless remembrances in a bag and a dumpster. So not only did this dummy steal from their car, he dumped the stuff he didn't want, which he could see our pet's remains with the paw print and the urn and the you know what that is.
SPEAKER_01And his fingerprints are all over him.
SPEAKER_02Well that too. A homeless man named Chris came across the bag and knowing it mattered to someone, held on to it until he spotted a flyer, which the Duns had put up in the neighborhood. He didn't hesitate to reach out and didn't ask for anything in return. Now, as Chris moves into his very first apartment after seven years in the streets, hundreds are rewarding him for his good deed through a GoFundMe organized by Catherine Mitchie, who helped post flyers in the search for Tia's remains. How much has been raised on this GoFundMe? It has so far raised more than$5,600 toward his rent, nice furniture, and care for Rio, a dog rescued from the street as well. That that Chris rescued. See, I don't know that. See, because yeah, that that one I'm not clear on.
SPEAKER_01So and it and it's really sad. There's a a lot of times you'll see someone who is living on the streets and they will have a pet. Yes. A dog with I've seen that before. And they will feed that animal first before they feed themselves. And that in itself is just heartbreaking, heart wrenching. But I'm so I I really hope that the two of the the that Chris and this dog are part of that GoFundMe.
SPEAKER_02Yep. I just got off the phone with Chris, and he's absolutely floored with the support from this community. Michie wrote in a May 6th update. Thank you to everyone who is changing his life for the better. He is such an angel and deserves all the help. There are still one hundred one thousand dollars left before the fundraiser reaches its seven thousand dollar goal. I love that. Donations can be made on GoFundMe on the GoFundMe page. I'll put a link in the story. And right to their GoFundMe. Yes, exactly. Good. So yeah, that's a story. So homeless guy's dumpster diving to get stuff he wants or needs, finds these pet remains and these items, and immediately does the right thing. Yeah. As opposed to the thief who broke into the car and took them in the first place. Right. So in this instance, you know, somebody who's been homeless for seven years is a better human being than this other idiot. Right. Yeah. So I mean that that in and of itself is is just amazing. Chris is a winner. Chris is definitely winner of the week. Thank you, sir. Yes.
SPEAKER_03That's how winning is done.
ODD Misunderstood Vs Intentional Defiance
SPEAKER_01Yes, it is. So back to it. So when you said ODD, and I'm like, that's odd.
SPEAKER_02Yes, ODD. We're gonna get into it. And just as a heads up, if if any of you are watching on Facebook Live, you'll notice I'm my hands are wrapped like gel from the green mile. We'll get there. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01But I'm gonna say it again. When you told me that this episode was about ODD, uh-huh, and I said that's odd.
SPEAKER_02Yes, it's odd, but it's not, but it's oppositional.
SPEAKER_01ODD spray.
SPEAKER_02I know, I know, I know, I get it. I know I know what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01I'm sorry, you're good. The cider. No, and I did ask you, I did ask you, like, okay, so give me an example of what opposition oppositional. Go ahead. ODD, oppositional defiant disorder. Yes, and I gave and I asked you to give me an example, and you gave me an example, and that was okay.
SPEAKER_02So I'm gonna get into to what the what the misunderstandings are, and then we're gonna get into the specifics. Okay. ODD in general is often mis it's often misunderstood or not diagnosed, and that's part of the the problem with it. Many people assume that it's a person that that's just being defiant or difficult just because they're they're assholes for lack of a better term. They're just intentionally being difficult. But the reality, if somebody's suffering with ODD, is very different than that. It it the these these behaviors are not intentional, they're not planned, it's not this motive that's deep inside just to be a difficult human being. So we're gonna talk about what oppositional defiant order disorder is and who it affects the most, because there are certain populations that are more prone to this. Sure. And then we're also gonna discuss how families can support someone who might have an ODD diagnosis. Okay.
SPEAKER_01So when you say ODD, you know, the I you know, I lean toward, you know, the the disrespect or lack of lack of disrespect for authority, right? And that's where my brain went. Being a military, you know, a military brat, you know, I I had stricter rules in my household. And did I want to rebel? Sure. Of course I did, but did I understand the rules? Yeah, did I pay attention to them? 98% of the time. I wasn't no one's perfect, but what would lead someone down to this this path of being diagnosed with ODD?
DSM Criteria And Common Symptoms
ODD Versus Normal Boundary Testing
SPEAKER_02So let me tell you what exactly it is. Okay, it's a disorder, it's a behavioral and emotional disorder most commonly diagnosed during childhood or adolescence. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, DSM5, ODD involves a persistent pattern of one angry or irritable mood. That's every teenager who wakes up at 6 a.m. to go. Argumentative or defiant behavior. Three, vindictiveness. These behaviors must occur for at least six months and be more severe than what would be normally expected for a child's development. I know that's a vague statement. It is, but let me get into more specific symptoms that fit into the three I just said. Okay. Temper tantrums, constant arguing, refusing to follow rules, deliberately annoying other people, blaming others for their own mistakes, being easily annoyed, acting spiteful or vindictive. And what population is this all populations at this point? Yep, yep. We're gonna get there. Don't worry. All right. So here's the thing, and and Matt, you kind of alluded to it. Every child has arguments, every child is gonna be rebellious at some point. I I I would always call it, you know, as a parent, I would call it pushing the envelope. Well, every teenager pushes boundaries. Yeah, that's a part of how you learn what's acceptable and what's not. Yeah, you you've developed your own belief system based on your actions and your own consequences. Okay. So those things, just in general, doesn't mean somebody has ODD because these are these are natural developments during childhood and adolescence, is to push boundaries and and fee figure out okay, what's too far, what's where do I need to stay in line. So you know what I mean. What separates ODD from these typical behaviors of children and adolescents is its intensity, consistency, and impairment. And when you say what do you mean by impairment? So this the behaviors create serious problems at home, school, and socially with other people. Okay. And and because of this intense reactionary behavior, it's hard to connect with other people. It's hard to function in school, it's hard to hold a job, you know, if you're if you're an adolescent or a young adult. So and and Matt, I'm gonna go back because again, I I want to address this because people would say, Oh, back in my day, this is just a kid being a dick. You know what I mean? Yeah, because that's that's what again, that's what the perception is that it's just an unruly child.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like they're throwing an unruly teenager. They're throwing light sticks across a lobby at the menu, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, throwing knocking my drinks over, yeah. Yeah, so so let's go back first of all and talk about the history of the diagnosis because just like everything else, a hundred years ago, we didn't have diagnoses. No, we didn't have a DSM manual, we didn't have ways to classify mental illness. Is there a specific individual now? We do.
SPEAKER_01Is there a specific individual who came up with the diagnosis of ODD?
How ODD Impairs Home And School
SPEAKER_02Not not specifically an individual. Okay, so the concept behind ODD is has existed for decades. Though in early in the early days of psychiatry, like before the 60s and 70s, children showing chronic defiance were often described as delinquents, problem children, incorrigible or behavioral, behaviorally disturbed.
SPEAKER_01When you're a jet, you're a gen.
SPEAKER_02So mental health professionals recognize that some some of these kids and some of these adolescents had a dis had a persistent pattern of emotional dysregulation. And that's the key thing here.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02And defiance is not the issue, it's the emotional dysregulation that's the issue. And the defiance couldn't just simply be explained as kids being kids because there's a lot more uh there's a lot more emotional uh issues with this. So the ODD officially appeared in the DSM for the first time in 1980. Was that two DSM two?
SPEAKER_01DSM3 DSM 3 in 1980. Wow. There's only been two. There's only been okay. We're on DSM 5 now.
History Of The ODD Diagnosis
SPEAKER_02Yep, we're in DSM. So there was a DSM three, DSM 4 came out in the early 90s, and the DSM 4 Plus came out in the I'm gonna I'm guessing on the dates. That's okay. Don't hold me to that, but probably the early 2000s, and then DSM 4 and the DSM 5 is the the most recent iteration, which has been probably the last 10 years or so. So before COVID, yes, yeah, DSM 5 was before COVID, and that's gonna get updated again. Yes. So the ODD officially appeared for the first time in 1980. At that time, it was categorized as a disruptive behavior disorder alongside conduct disorder. The distinction mattered. Conduct and conduct disorder involves more severe violations of rights and rules, such as cruelty, theft, or serious criminal behavior. So that would be conduct disorder. So conduct disorder, you can see it as being a lot more serious, a lot more like somebody's somebody stealing crap out of your car and throwing it in a dumpster, going back to our winner of the week. You're stealing a bag of chips from your grocery store, right? Again, things that we would see as that's just not good conduct. So that is that is not ODD. ODD is recognized as less severe, but it's it's still a clinically significant condition that causes conflict with authority figures, friends, and workmates, whatever your environment is.
SPEAKER_01I'm just I'm having PTSD a little bit of you know being spanked as a child, right? Yeah, and the o and that's that ODD that the I pushed a boundary, right? But in your case, you probably you probably weren't ODD. You're I don't think you would have met the criteria for that. No, but I'm just saying that that's kind of where my brain is going is like you know, we got spanked as kids, sure. You know, we got we got whipped as kids, right? Yeah, and and that's how we were raised, right? In this day and age, and the diagnosis came out in the 80s. Yes, I was an 80s child, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02And I yeah, you know, I'm and but and here's the thing to think, and and I know Matt, again, and that's why that's why we feel you know, because you can be raised perfectly by loving, supportive parents and still have ODD.
SPEAKER_01I was raised by two parents who were divorced, and I I love them tremendously as an adult man, as a child. I didn't know which end was up.
SPEAKER_02Well, no, and most children don't. That that's kind of the point, and and that's why ODD is is is is easily dismissed because in in general, people would look at it and say, Oh, your kid's being an asshole, just beat his ass.
SPEAKER_01It's just it's or or put some rules in place or put some structure, but but it's not that easy because and I'm not poo-pooing the diagnosis, but it's almost like it's a suggestion, not a diagnosis.
ODD Compared With Conduct Disorder
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, it's definitely a diagnosis because because I I and again, I I can self-disclose a little bit because my son has ODD. Okay, my my my son, and again, based on my because I'm a clinician and I've had I've experienced this over the years. The big issue with ODD is not that somebody's trying to be difficult, it's just that they don't have the emotional intelligence or the emotional experience to respond to challenges, the regulation, yes, the dysregulation, and that really is what drives ODD. Okay, okay. It's just this feeling of overwhelm with emotion, and then you react and you you lash out because you don't know what to do with it. So, so it's not this like as as opposed to conduct disorder, which can be planned and measured, and and somebody's thinking about it ahead of time. Criminals think about their their their crimes. Oh, it's premeditated, premeditated. ODD is not, it's simply emotional reactions to situations that you cannot manage. Okay. So oftentimes, again, researchers in the past discovered that ODD isn't simply bad behavior, it often involved emotional regulations, which we we mentioned, executive functioning deficits. Again, that's your your higher brain function. That most typical humans would have.
SPEAKER_01There's there's a medic, there's a medication out for that. Do you know what it's called? No. Robin Williams actually called it out. He called it fuck it all.
Emotional Dysregulation As The Core
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Family stress, uh, uh experiences of trauma, ADHD, anxiety, depression, and other neuro, neurodevelopment issues. Not neurodividend. Not ODD. Not neurodivergent. Not neurodivergent. Okay. Neurodevelopment differences. So really today, ODD is an is understood as a multifactoral disorder. It's not just, it's not just defiance, it's genetics, it's temperament, it's environment, it's parenting patterns, it's stress and brain development. Got it. All of those things combine to make this perfect storm of what we call ODD. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And thank you for explaining it because as a layman, as someone looking in from the outside, I'm always asking the question, what and why and how?
SPEAKER_02Well, and here's the thing, and and and this is just human nature. And I can include myself in this, Matt. You know, what when you're out in public and you see a kid just flipping out, you're like, oh Christ, get a whole get get that kid, you know, but beat that kid's ass. Shut him up. But you don't know what transpires. That's kind of my point. Yeah, that that's kind of the point. We we see behaviors and we judge them based on the behaviors themselves without knowing what the underlying issues are, right? And and and that's again, that's just human nature.
SPEAKER_01We we we just do that because everyone makes an asset of you and me.
SPEAKER_02They assume, yeah, exactly. So you're asking, who does this affect? That that's a great question. That is a great question. What's the most common population that gets diagnosed with ODD? And I I'll take a wild stab in the dart.
SPEAKER_01Okay, and it's gotta be anywhere from the ages of four to 25. Okay, and that's where that diagnosis lies mostly.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that's my guess. In younger children, we're talking ages 10 or less. Okay, boys are diagnosed more frequently than girls, but really, however, by adolescence, those rates equal out.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because girls mature faster than girls. Girls, yes, exactly. Yes, really? So so females with ODD, and here's where some differences come out. Females with OCD may display ver verbal ODD. Sorry, ODD. You're right. I'm so used to saying OCD when I talk. Yes, ODD. Girls with ODD explay may display verbal aggression, emotional outbursts, and relation conflict, while boys may show more overt defiance and physical aggression.
Who Gets Diagnosed And Why
SPEAKER_01You know what you just said, and I'm gonna I'm gonna simplify what you just said. Please do. Yep. I just heard the word hormones. Yes, that's all I heard you say. Yeah, is hormones. Uh-huh. Because they're teenagers, right? And they're girls and they're young boys. That's hormones. Yep. Because they're developing, they're trying to figure out where they f-I mean.
How ODD Looks In Girls
SPEAKER_02I mean, a lot of that is a lot of that is natural your natural progression through life. Okay. These these are these are outliers. So so let's take your typical teenager. Yeah, they're lazy, they they're bums, they're they're not motivated, they just sit in their room all day. Okay, that yes, that's a typical teenager, but a teenager with ODD is probably having more aggressive behaviors like breaking things or punching walls or having angry outbursts, or or and and everything is a meltdown. Like, like there's no again, we go back to the emotional regulation. That is really the key aspect of this diagnosis. So, yes, in general, boys are diagnosed more early in in life, and by adolescence, it equals out between males and females. Now, the the the symptomology can differ a little bit. Females tend to so these are generalizations, they're exceptions to everything. Females with ODD tend to self-harm, and that's that's another thing with ODD cutting self-harm. So females, especially adolescents, are more apt to self-harm with cutting. Boys with ODD are more likely to break things or or lash out externally, like punching walls or your TV or breaking a remote control or hit or hitting themselves. Hitting themselves, yes, hurting animals. Yes. Well, no.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02That's different? That is different. Okay, because that then we're getting we're getting into more like personality disorders and very psychotic type behaviors.
SPEAKER_01And I said that for a reason.
How ODD Looks In Boys
SPEAKER_02But that's important, Matt. I'm glad you brought that up because there is a distinction. A lot of these, a lot of these kids, I say kids, adolescents or or or kids who are experiencing ODD, they don't want to hurt anyone. That's not their intention. I I said that for a reason. I'm so happy that you picked up on that.
SPEAKER_01Because I was gonna say, no, wait a minute.
A Key Distinction About Harm
SPEAKER_02Yep, right. No, and and you're absolutely right. And in fact, again, I can speak with personal be from from personal experience with a son who has ODD. I've never worried about our dog. He has never, he's never lashed out at a person or living thing. I've met your son, he is a very gentle soul. He is, he has a gentle soul, he is, yes, yes, but when that emotion overwhelms him, it just becomes unmanageable and they become these breakdowns with punching himself or punching walls, or and in it, and it's frustrating to watch because your initial reaction is knock it off. That that that's your initial reaction because you you're just seeing and experiencing something that that is not pleasant, it does not fun to see. So, yes, that the in and that's the I think that's a lot of the reason, and we're gonna get into treatments in a little bit, but just to plug this in really quick, I think that's a reason a lot of kids don't get treatment for this because parents are just like they're just being rebellious or they're just being kids, they're not realizing the depth of the emotional issues that are going on, right?
SPEAKER_01Because one, we don't understand the human brain at all. Well, relatively speaking, right, you're right, and we don't know what we don't know. If someone is acting has a behavior that you don't understand, that's part of development, sure, and that's part of and as the person who's looking outside in, as the parent watching a child, you know, act out in this regard, there you have to want to understand the underlying reason. And that's where I mean, ideally, ideally you would want, yeah, you would want, and and that's where we should that's where we want to strive for as human beings, as a human race, is to understand, okay, why are they doing that? How you know what's the trigger?
Why Parents Miss The Deeper Issue
SPEAKER_02Yes, and and and that's the key thing, finding the source, and and often the source, we don't know what the source is, and that that's kind of the frustrating thing.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I made them get up at 6 a.m. for school.
Part Two Tease And Adoption Plug
SPEAKER_02That yeah, yeah, but see, but but that that one single thing is not the source, the source is the emotional regulation or dysregulation. Yeah, that's the source. I just so we are gonna come back, folks, with a part two. And you know, we always break these up into part two because I have so much information and I want to make sure you get all of it. I can come back with episode two. I can almost see a part three, and I'm just gonna go. We could I'm gonna throw that out there. No, and and and by all means, here's the thing sometimes we do a single episode, not not often, nope. Sometimes we do two episodes, but sometimes it may take three or four to tell to get all the information we need. So game. So we're open, like we we never we never hardline say that's it, we're done. But we'll take as long as many episodes as we can to get you the information you need. That's the big thing.
SPEAKER_03Yes, please.
SPEAKER_02All right, so we're gonna come back with with ODD Oppositional Defiant Disorder Part two coming up next. If you're on Facebook Live, stick around. We're doing another episode. Those of you on whatever platform you're on, skip ahead to the next episode, or it will be be available on Tuesday or Thursday if you don't see it immediately. Perfect. Before we leave, so so Matt, we've had a we've had a challenge, and I don't know. I actually tried calling Detroit Dog Rescue today. Okay. No answer. I've not been able to access their website in a week. Are they updating it? I don't know. I hope so. I'm just getting just site not found. So so so I'm not sure, but we do have somebody who needs a home from Taylor's okay, Taylor's dog rescue animal shelter. And where's Taylor's dog rescue out of? I I I don't know the address specifically. It's in Taylor, Michigan. It's in Taylor, Michigan. That's all I know.
SPEAKER_03It's in Taylor, Michigan.
SPEAKER_02So who is it? Cherry needs a home. I thought that said Chernobyl for a second, but and I've never heard of this breed. Blackmouth cur. Have you ever heard of that? I don't know if it's a pirate thing or blackmouth cur slash American Staffordshire Terrier. What does what does this puppy look like? It's female, she'll be 60 pounds grown. Here's Cherry. Oh, she's got a little pity in her. That's a little pity mix. It says again, Blackmouth Ker, American Staffordshire Terrier. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, based on the picture. Yeah, I just yeah. I'm pretty good with that. Uh, in in my own opinion, there that she's a little bit of a pity mix. But she's beautiful. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Is that for a pit? For a pit, yeah. Oh, yeah. Jamie Jamie's telling talking to us off off mic. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's it's a little less offensive, sort of speak. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_01I see it.
SPEAKER_02So anyway, yuck her. Cherry needs a home. Go to TaylorAnimalShelter.com. She's beautiful. She's a beautiful dog. And she's been there about two months. So she needs a home. She needs a forever home. So Cherry at uh Taylor Dog, or I'm sorry, Taylor AnimalShelter.com.
SPEAKER_01Thank you.
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