Road Rage To Wall Punching: What Is IED Anyway (part 1)

Anger can be normal. What’s terrifying is when the anger shows up like a switch flip, blows past logic, and leaves damage behind. We dig into Intermittent Explosive Disorder (IED), a DSM-5 diagnosis defined by repeated episodes of impulsive aggression, and we unpack why it can look like “a bad temper” while actually behaving more like a nervous system alarm that won’t shut off.

We talk through what IED tends to sound and feel like in real life: screaming over something minor, punching walls, breaking objects, or snapping at people you love. We also spend time on the aftermath that almost nobody sees, the shame, regret, and embarrassment that can hit once the episode ends. That guilt can quietly fuel the next blowup, creating a brutal loop that hurts confidence and relationships.

From there we explore likely contributors: genetics, brain chemistry and serotonin, and the brain’s threat system, including the amygdala and the frontal cortex’s role in impulse control. We connect the dots on how trauma, unpredictable caregiving, and growing up around yelling or violence can train the brain to detect danger everywhere, even in everyday stress like criticism, disagreement, or frustration. We also share personal perspective on what it’s like to live around these episodes and why “just calm down” usually fails in the moment.

We close with hope and practical next steps: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), stress management, sleep, exercise, reducing alcohol, relaxation skills, mindfulness, and when appropriate, medication support. Part two is coming with even more specific tools you can try and share. If this helps, subscribe, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

Recorded 06-29-26

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Cold Open And Topic Tease

SPEAKER_01 0:11

In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotus Podcast, last couple or last few sessions we were talking about oppositional defiant disorders. Sessions or episodes? Episodes. Sorry, I'm so used to my therapist speak, and it just came out of sessions. But the last four episodes, we've been talking about oppositional defiant disorder, which is ODD. Yep. Today we're talking about IED, which is intermittent explosive disorder. Now it's kind of in the same the same category as the other one, but but this is much more extreme and much more severe. Severe say that. Physical, it can. We'll get into it. It can, yes. And as usual, we're giving away free stuff. Hang in there, folks. We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_05 0:56

This sounds like something for the authorities in Detroit. The joke's on you. I'm living to 102, and then at the city of Detroit.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Guys like this can't take over here out of Detroit. Spawn and the hellfire at the motel. Take him to Detroit. Detroit!

SPEAKER_05 1:19

Stationed in Drambuy. It's worse than Detroit. We did not have as a unit the confidence that we felt like we needed to beat Detroit. Let's go to Detroit.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Now you're talking, brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:31

I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Do they have many farms in Detroit?

SPEAKER_05 1:36

Detroit to Michigan.

SPEAKER_04 1:38

I go to school, I know where Detroit is.

SPEAKER_05 1:40

Get ready for the motor city hypnotist David R. Wright, originating from the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan. He has hypnotized thousands of people from all over the United States. David R. Wright has been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of an outpatient mental health and hypnosis clinic located just south of Detroit, where he helps people daily using the power of hypnosis. Welcome to the Motor City Hypnotist, David R. Wright.

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SPEAKER_01 2:27

What is going on, my friends? It is David Wright, the Motor City Hypnotist. We're back with another episode of the Motor City Hypnotist Podcast. Yeah, you better be. That is Matt Fox, the other voice you hear. It is me. We're hanging out here in the palatial podcast, your voice, Salfield Studios. Yeah. Having a drink, doing a podcast, as usual. Like that's what our typical Monday nights are. You know, it's it's a habit. Well, it is a habit and it's a good one because you know, we get to share good information with our listeners and let them learn and find out how to get better. That is kind of the goal of the whole podcast.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

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Absolutely. It gets more people in. It gets us between your ears. Absolutely. There you go.

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Absolutely. So that's all the all the stuff we need to get out. There you go. It is time. Here we go. Here we go.

When Celebration Turns Into Violence

SPEAKER_00 5:25

That's how win it is done.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Alrighty. So this this is kind of a a I don't say it's an odd story, but you know, the New York Knicks won the NBA championship. Yeah. Which would make most New Yorkers happy. Sure. Except for this guy. Okay. While many in New York City expended every breath in celebration of the Knicks NBA championship win, many others will have held theirs, knowing what happens when passionate American sport fans win titles. Heads up. Sure enough, the championship for the New York Knickerbockers in 53 years resulted in an arson to many vehicles in the city, including the yellow cab of Mr. B-Tot Noradine. Okay, B-Tot. As videos of the frenetic celebrations on the street hit social media, one went viral of Mr. Nonadine Norodine being dragged from his taxi, briefly assaulted, and watching in disbelief as a mob of people proceeded to climb atop the car and smash out his windows. The deplorable behavior reached six million people on X. Goodness. Including rapper French Mantana, who left a comment that if someone could find the man, he'd like to help him overcome the financial hit. Okay. French got in contact with his friend Zachary Daranowski at the New York T at the New York Taxi Workers Alliance, a labor union to which Norodine is a member. And the two planned to raise money with a GoFundMe. Okay. Recently, during celebrations following a New York Knicks finals win, Norodine's life was turned upside down, the fundraiser description read. His cab was vandalized and he was reportedly assaulted and dragged from his vehicle by a crowd. In a matter of moments, the vehicle he was driving was severely damaged, leaving him facing an incredibly difficult situation. My friend, French Montana, sent me Norodine's Nordeen's story, and we partnered with Norodine's Union, the New York Taxi Workers Alliance, to help restore his business and change his life. After publishing the GoFundMe, it has reached $76,000 from over 2,000 donors. Right to replace his tax.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Right place, wrong time, but it was a good outcome for him.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

I mean, and it's just disappointing because it's a good thing, and then some people gotta ruin it and mess it up. Yeah, you know, and and this guy's just making a living. I just driving his cab.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

I don't under I never really did understand the mentality of the right after a after something good happens. After a win like that. Yeah, yeah. I just never understand the mentality.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

I haven't either. And it and this story is is common when when teams win championships. I mean, sounds like a disorder that we're gonna about to talk about. Maybe that that could be, but but anyway, Nordine, he got uh he got the he got the money, get his vehicle fixed, he continue working, continue his career, makes make himself money, and that's his living. I'm I'm glad there's something on the other side for you know what, Matt, and I don't want to be negative, but we always have questions after these stories. And I'm like, What wouldn't insurance cover this? I'm just that's a thought in my head. That's all I'm thinking. Is he a 1099 and I see? I don't know. See that that's I I I hate even bringing that up, but but the whole point is his property was damaged, people helped out and gave him money, and he continues now. He gets uh his cab fixed, right? That's that's that's it. Fair, definitely winner of the week for sure.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

That's how winning is done.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Yes, it is. All right, here we go. So back to it. So, from my understanding, yes, this this, what we're about to

What Intermittent Explosive Disorder Looks Like

SPEAKER_02 9:15

talk about, this kind of is hitting close to home for you. You know, you know more than the average person.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

I do, and and I will share, I will share my personal experiences with us as we go along because this is a very difficult thing to live with if you have a relative or or a spouse or a child or a parent that deals with this. Okay, but what we're talking about is what's called intermittent explosive disorder. It's a it's a diagnosis, it's in the DSM 5. And I don't know when this diagnosis came about, but I know it's fairly new, like within the last 30 years or so.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Okay, it's an intermittent explosive disorder.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Yes. So it affects far more people than you you would think you would realize, but it's rarely talked about.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

When you say people, are we are is this all ages, or are we just talking about a generation that this is affecting mostly?

SPEAKER_01 10:11

No, it can be any age, any gender. All right, it it's not it's not specific as far as as demographics, let's say.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

All right.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

So let me let me just list some things that may or may not pertain to you. Have you ever found yourself exploding over something very small? Oh, yeah. If you've ever thrown something, sure if you've ever broken something. That's what happens when you throw something, yeah. Yeah, sometimes have you yelled at someone that you love? Or later asked yourself, why did I react like that? Yeah. If you can answer those questions, this episode may be for you because we're gonna delve into why these kind of things happen and where it comes from. So somebody again, if somebody close to you it deals with this explosive anger issue, it can be scary, it can be frightening, it can be disconcerting, it it's it comes very difficult to live with. And it comes out of nowhere, and it comes out of seemingly out of nowhere. Okay. And we're gonna get into causes of this. So we're gonna talk about what this is, what it's not, why it happens, and and perhaps the most important thing is that how can you get help with this is if this is something you deal with or somebody you know deals with it. Okay. That is kind of the the well, and that's the purpose of the podcast, of course, is to explain a situation and say, how can you get better? Or how can we help? So let's talk about what it is. So intermittent explosive disorder, as I said, is recognized in the diagnostic statistical manual of mental disorders, the DSM 5. It's characterized by repeated episodes of impulsive aggression. Now, the the key word there is impulsive. So these thoughts or these things, they're not planned out ahead of time. It is sudden and it's it's immediate, it's impulsive and it happens. So it's not calculated anger, it's not trying to be manipulative, it isn't revenge. It it's it's it's like the thinking process is not even there, it just happens. So there's no intent on this. So, what happens when you have an episode like this? The emotional brain takes over before the logical brain has time to intervene or examine what's happening. The amygdala? Yeah, absolutely. And actually, we're gonna get into that. I that that's that's a specific area that's affected with this. Okay. So I'm gonna give you some examples, but but with these examples, I want you to think about these explosions are far outside of what's proportionate to what is happening.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

So and I just want to kind of clear the air because I'm on this side of the table and I've been talking about this, and all I can think in my brain are tempered tantrums. Yes, that's all I can think of when you're explaining all this, because that everything you just said to me explains what a temper tantrum is. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

So the DSM 5 has relabeled a tent tempered tantrum as a it's it's so it's not necessarily that. So so I will say IED is different than just a temper tantrum because typically, again, if we just break it down to the age ranges, this this disorder is typically not diagnosed in children. Temper tantrum adult tantrums, adults have tempered tantrum. Adults can too, and but it doesn't necessarily have to be IED. Okay, I mean, but for somebody who I'll put it this way somebody with a reactive temper, they very well may fall into this. Fair. That's absolutely fair.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Yes, absolutely. I just wanted to make sure that you knew where my brain was. Yes, no, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

And and and this this this is this is why this works, Matt, because you ask the questions that other people would want to know. Right. That that's kind of the point. I I do my best. So I'm gonna just read some things that could be frustrating, but shouldn't be to the point of freaking out. Go on, someone cut you off in traffic. Road rage is one of the number one the one of the one number one ways that IED is shown. A lot of people with road rage probably have IED. Okay. Your spouse asks an innocent question and you become combative. What's for dinner? Your computer freezes. Oh, wow. And you freak out. Depends on it. Or throw it. You know. Most people would be annoyed by these things. That's a normal reaction. It isn't it, yes. You're gonna be annoyed. You're gonna be like, oh crap, this isn't working. Really? Really? You you had to make that right-hand turn or something, really? Someone with IED with these exact same scenarios will find themselves screaming, yelling, punching walls, breaking things, becoming physically aggressive. And and again, the reaction is not on par with what the issue is. Sure. Like your your safety is not a concern. Now, now I can understand we can rationalize somebody being cut off in traffic and say, Oh, that was dangerous. Sure. But the point is that wasn't an intentional act to disparage you as a person. That was just somebody in a hurry. Make it a poor choice. Yeah, you don't you and you don't make that personal. Yeah. So some of the things, and again, I started on that becoming physically aggressive, throwing objects, damaging property, and then here's the crazy thing almost as quickly as it started, it's gone. Right. Like and then, but but here's the thing. Here's the and this happens every time. It can be over in as quickly as even 15, 20, 30 minutes. The situation is done, the emotion is gone, but what comes afterwards is shame. Yeah, the fallout. The fallout of losing your temper. Shame, embarrassment, regret, and this just compounds it because now you're in this state where oh, I'm just a bad person, I can't do anything right. People aren't proud of these behaviors, even though at the time they they seem totally like laser focused on oh, I want I want to do this or whatever, whatever's in their head. But but um most people are not they don't like this behavior, they don't enjoy it, and that's the that's kind of the the misconception that oh, he's a hothead, he just needs to get his ass beat, so something like that. Sure. But now and I'm not I'm and I'm not giving I'm not giving hotheads excuses, I'm just saying there might be a reason behind that, right? So here's the thing it's not just having a temper, because temper we you know, you somebody some people can have, you know, you are allowed more tempers than others, you are allowed to express how you feel, but it's how you express those feelings. Absolutely, and and I and I wanna and I want to just make this clear and and list this list. Everyone gets angry at some point. Oh, absolutely. That's the fact of life, that's an emotion that we feel. Yeah, anger itself isn't unhealthy. No, feeling that is not necessarily a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

You are upset about something, you have the right to have that feeling, but it's how you express that anger, either explosively or in a conversational way. Go on.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Because anger is simply put, an emotion, just like any other emotion. So the problem isn't feeling the anger, the problem is the behavior that it causes. That is really the big thing. And Matt, you just said you I I forgot the exact wording, but the pressure builds up. Pressure cooker. That's the best example I can say of it. Sure. It just builds and builds and builds, and finally it's gonna pop. Temperature could be, yeah. But here's the thing: if the pressure builds without being released safely, then you're gonna have these very unfortunate, very difficult things. The lid blows off, people freak out, people get scared because they don't know what the person's gonna do. They might think they might become violent, and and and they can become violent, some in some cases, not all.

Causes: Brain Chemistry And Childhood Stress

SPEAKER_01 18:35

I'm not and again, violence can be a part of it, but it's not a requirement of it, if that makes sense. Okay. So here's the thing if the person doesn't want to react this way, because you might, and again, it's it's it it is it's very difficult to be able to take this and look at it objectively because the the human instinct is you're just being an asshole. Knock it off. But but it it it it goes so much deeper than that. So it's not because the person wants to, it's that the nervous system has learned that this explosive release is the quickest way to feel better.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

All right, so being born in the 70s, growing up in the 80s, clubbing in the late 90s and early 2000s, okay. Yep, I was raised militarily. Yes, well, yeah, you grew up in a in a in a military family. Did I get put in my place as if I would act out, you know, angrily or you know, did something, you know, in the house to break something or throw something and just you know act out. Yeah, I I got not shamed, I got punished. Yes, I got punished. I uh you know, belts came out, right? Very it was very seldom. Oh no, I know, I know. But that's how that that was the punishment for my generation back in the day, right? In this day and age, this is more prevalent because of how punishment happens today.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

It it could be there, very well could be a connection, and and I that's aside how I feel shy. I wish there were some studies that could show data from that, but but I I have a feeling that a lot of that a lot of mental disorders have been exacerbated because of different things, because of society, because of social media. I mean, things are different today, and I don't sound like the just like our our grandparents, oh, back in my day. Well, I get that, but but but society kind of progresses, and with it, you the the problems progress as well. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

And the society that we're in is people have to be taught the right thing to do, and they're not being shown the right way to do things.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

That's I'll take that as a fact. The other thing though, and I'll add to this, somebody with IED might have been taught exactly the way they should have been taught. Fair, but it just didn't they just they can't regulate it?

SPEAKER_02 21:08

They can't regulate, they cannot regulate their emotions, it's the emotional regulation that's the problem, and then because that goes back to how they were raised and how they were punished with certain things. Oh, it's time for a timeout. So, so let me go down what causes IED.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Because this this may address some of those, some of those issues. I have opinions, I have reservations about IED. So, really, there isn't one single cause, there isn't one thing to say this is why. But the research has shown that several factors play into this. Okay, genetics definitely plays a role. Brain chemistry, of course, with most mental illness, that's an issue. You think studies suggest differences in serotonin levels that can be that can be controlled.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

And it can be regulated. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Here we go. Brain imaging has found changes involving the amygdala. Amygdala, the amygdala. Or amagdala or the amygdala? The amdala, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Hey, David. So David. Yeah. Gatorade's better than water.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Water sucks. No, it's it's it's uh it's it's not Gatorade, it's brawny. What is it? Gatorade. I'm thinking of the wrong movie, I think.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

I got I'm what I got the water boy in my head. Oh no, no, no. I'm thinking of idiocracy. Oh, okay. So yeah, too much.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

When they're watering the stuff with the gate with with the with the faux Gatorade, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Hey, water sucks. Gatorade's better.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Gatorade. So regarding regarding these imagings, or the imaging has found changes in the it's it's an emotional alarm system, is really what it is. And and okay, and the areas of the frontal cortex are responsible for impulse control. Okay, child experiences matter. That's where we're coming to how you're raised. And as a child, if you grew up around violence, frequent yelling, unpredictable caregivers, or abuse, you're much more likely to kind of get into this area of IED.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

So you talk genetics. Do uh do our do our signs play a role into that? Because I asked the question earlier. Yeah, are they a Scorpio?

SPEAKER_01 23:23

I I no. I I mean I'm not a believer in in signs. I mean, for entertainment, I think it's good, but there's there's no there's no scientific data to support that. My personal genetics, I got I'm Irish, yep.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

German, I'm Irish as well. German, I got a little bit of Scotch and a little bit of French in me, right? Uh-huh. I got we we I got four, I got four different nationalities flowing through my brook my veins. Uh-huh. And I drink alcohol. Yeah. So I just there there is an emotional control over your brain chemistry. You you have the ability to change it, whether it be with medication as a last resort or therapy, or therapy, or just simple meditation. Get you know, sit back and just breathe for goodness sakes.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

But but that here's the issue with IED. And and this is the struggle because again, they the the people suffering from this don't want to have these outbursts, they don't want to be angry. Nobody does. And in in even if they prepare ahead of time, sometimes it's it's there's there's no specific if we do A, B, and C, this will help. But you can't every situation is is individual.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

It's all different, but you cannot predict the future. Absolutely, right? You have to be prepared for any situation that presents itself and act accordingly without losing your top.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

So, as far as the childhood issues, trauma changes the nervous system. We know that from data. It does. And when danger has become common, your brain begins to detect danger everywhere, and and it attaches it to things that would normally be just simple things: someone yelling, a disagreement, criticism, frustration. All of these things, as minor as they can be, can activate that fight response, and then you get the response. I was about to say it's gonna be that fight, not the flight. Yes. So so for people who experience this, because again, from the outside, like I said, it looks like oh, that idiot's freaking out. What a hothead, you know, whatever. But here's what people feel when they're dealing with this.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

You're gonna thank Brian Regan for this. Have you ever seen an individual walk through a spider web from about 50 yards away?

SPEAKER_01 25:42

I don't believe it. Did you see that guy? Just freaked out for no reason. Oh, right, because you can yeah, because you can't see it, right? Yes, so a lot of people describe it, and and again, I I I'm

The Family Fallout And Constant Vigilance

SPEAKER_01 25:55

saying what people have have described this feeling as they feel like they're possessed, they feel like it's not them, it's something's controlling them.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

That's it, that's an interesting thought.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Okay, they know they're aware they shouldn't act this way, they know it in their head, but they can't stop themselves from doing the devil made me do it. Physical symptoms appear first, physical symptoms, physical symptoms, physical symptoms that precedes the actual explosion.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

So the physical symptoms are they cutting? Are they heart races? Okay, okay, same a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

So, so this this disorder could could generally fall under the umbrella of anxiety, okay, in a sense. Okay, so here's where I'll here's where I'll I'll self-disclose and become personal for a while. My son suffers from this disorder, and most of the time, you know, 95% of the time, it's it's just fine. There, there's no issues, there's no fighting, there's no arguments, it's just but when he goes off, it's like this switch flips, it's like a different, it's a different person, even in his eyes. You can see he's it's just a different mindset. And there's no there's no reasoning with somebody who's in the midst of one of these episodes. You have to let it play out because they have to they have to experience this. And this sounds a little bit cruel, but as a therapist, I'm like, I I I want you to notice what you're feeling the next time this happens. I want you to go through it, don't fight it, just go through it, just recognize what's happening, and and sometimes that can help getting a perspective on it. Interesting. Okay, again, heart races, muscles tighten, face becomes hot, you can start shaking, your breathing changes, the logical brain just turns off at that moment. There's no logical thinking, the survival brain takes over. And again, psychologists sometimes call this the amygdala hijack. They have a term for it for this disorder. That's when the alarm system becomes overloaded and it's there's nothing but reaction. There's no logical thinking, no trying to look at it rationally, it just has to take its course at that point. That's fascinating. The explosion may only last a few minutes, sure. How's it? But the consequences just it just compounds because every time that happens, there's a cycle of guilt and regret and shame that just primes you for having another one. And that's the cycle that keeps going around. So there's an impact on relationships for sure. That's super challenging. You better have a budget for flowers. You know, even and and again, I I want to speak speak from personal personal experience on this because I think it's important for you if you have family members, children, parents, whoever. There are times in my household that if I hear a bang, I'm I'm awake instantly. Like it could be four in the morning.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Sure. I would hope you would wake up to a bang in the house at 4 a.m. But the thought is, oh, is my son okay?

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Because that's the that's the first thought. And and and I and honestly, and then again, I I want to be self-disclosed, my my own personal things there, it's a form of PTSD. It's whenever I hear a noise, my fear is is he hurting himself. Right. And and that is like the constant back and forth struggle. And it's hard to weigh the it's hard to weigh the frustration with that person with the empathy and support that you need to give. Because when they're in that state, they're not likable. They're the when somebody's angry and and aggressive and yelling and punching things, it's hard to try to be supportive at that point. Sure. And honestly, if somebody's in that state, they're not going to be hearing anything you say anyway. Their their brain is not in an information receiving mode.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

No, their ear, they're turned off.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

It's yes, it's it's that switch is flipped, you have to just wait for it to run out. So here's the good news people can people get treatment just like any other any other diagnosis. You go get treatment for it. So here's the thing cognitive behavior behavioral therapy helps identify the thoughts and the physical warning signs that occur before an outburst. Okay, so it kind of gives you a way to kind of catch it early. Medication may also help, especially medications that affect serotonin levels because that again

Treatment Options And Practical Strategies

SPEAKER_01 30:45

was one of the major causes here. Stress management is a is another major component. Again, and and some of these are just regular life things that we all would need to do. Get enough sleep, exercise, reduce alcohol, learn relaxation skills, practice mindfulness. Now, here's the thing: none of these eliminate angry outbursts, but they they what they do is they bring that baseline lower so you don't have as far to go, right, or or you have farther to go to get to that out-of-control state. So practical strategies. What can you do? Notice your body, notice your thoughts, and and ask yourself questions like am I tense? Am I frustrated? Am I angry? All of these physical symptoms can appear before this thing happens. And here's the things that you can do create distance, literally, like just leave the area or get away from the thing that that is that is for whatever reason setting you off. Take a walk, slow your breathing. Now, and I and a lot of these techniques are not going to work when you're in the midst of this because there's no rational thinking. But but you can do it in between these episodes to again bring that baseline down so you're less likely to get to that higher level. Sure. That's the best way to look at it. Mushrooms. Yeah. Or in and here's the thing, people, and and I I have to be very careful when I say this. I can't recommend something illegal, but pot is il is legal in Michigan. And I'm not, I'm not a proponent, I'm not a I'm not against it. But people have found that that pot can help relax them.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

And and honestly, as a therapist, I might I might get, I mean, I'm not people may disagree with me, but I'd much rather people get high than take a medication.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

Sure. I I just think it's the but the medicinal properties of cannabis, yep, cannabinoids, and some there are definitely medicinal properties. It's still being researched. There's still a lot we don't know about it. The the most that we know about it is people use to do it just to get high. Sure. But as more as our technology gets better and we can look deeper into impacts and the more studies that we're doing, the data that's there, yeah. It there is a reason to use it the right way.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Yes, absolutely. And that's kind of what I stress to my clients as well. Yeah, so here's the thing IED doesn't make it doesn't make you a bad person, and and it and it's very difficult to kind of acknowledge that because from the outside, people are probably judging you as a bad person. Sure, they're gonna say you're a hothead, you're you're you're mean, you're angry, I don't want to be around you. All of these things can just devastate somebody's self-esteem and their confidence, again, which kind of just compounds the issue of to just continue and recur every time some frustration comes about. But change is possible, there are ways to do it, and what we're gonna do in next episode, we're gonna get in depth on some specific things that you can do, or that you can maybe suggest to somebody you know that may be suffering from this disorder. Sure. So so we're gonna go with part two in our next episode. All right. So before we go, and those of you on Facebook Live, stick around. We're gonna do one more episode. But before we go, somebody needs a home. Who is it? Charity, charity, charity

Part Two Tease And Dog Adoption

SPEAKER_01 34:15

needs a home. Is that a hat? No, I thought it was a hat, but it's her or it's her butt it's her butt. Oh, it's her body, yeah. Just the way the picture is taken. I thought it was a hat too, Matt. And that's one of the things that brought me to this one because it does look like a hat, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 34:29

It kind of she kind of looks like the dad from Mary Poppins with that hat on.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

So charity is a uh border collie mixed. She's female, she's three years old. Okay, she's a Detroit Dog Rescue. Again, this looks a little bit different because our website's going through some construction, but uh, but it's still there. Charity is still at Detroit Dog Rescue as of today. She's a puppy and she needs love. Yep, she does. She needs a home.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

Excellent.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Detroit Dog Rescue.com/slash adopt. Give charity a home. All righty, folks. That is our episode for today. Again, Facebook Live, people stick around. We're going to do one more episode. Those of you on audio, skip ahead to the next episode. If it's not there, it will be there on Tuesday or Thursday. Love it. In the meantime, change your thinking, change your life, laugh hard, run fast, be kind. We'll see you next time.