Get Enlifted

Ep. 75: Dive Deeper into Coaching, Masculinity, and Mind with Chase Tolleson

October 25, 2023 Chase Tolleson, Kimberly Kesting Season 2 Episode 75
Get Enlifted
Ep. 75: Dive Deeper into Coaching, Masculinity, and Mind with Chase Tolleson
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Today we are diving deeper with our profound Co-Host, Chase Tolleson. For only the second time ever, Chase and Kimberly are podcasting together in person in Richmond prior to The Enlifted Experience.

In this episode:

  • Celebrating the wins of our favorite episodes and lessons from almost 2 years of hosting this podcast
  • Chase's story building The Primal Man Pathway, how he built his online brand, and the value of showing up authentically and consistently.
  • Using your coaching skills outside of coaching
  • Getting over the fear of being seen, embody your authentic self, and you will unlock a new level of freedom.
  • What does embodiment look and feel like? Is it different for men and women? 

Get more from Chase:
www.chasetolleson.com / @coach_chase_tolleson

Get more from Enlifted Coaches:
http://enlifted.me / @enliftedcoaches 

Speaker 1:

Get control of your words, get control of your story, get control of your breath, get over your fear of not being good enough, get your dream clients, get them results and get in lifted. You're very quiet.

Speaker 2:

That most people are afraid of.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, I mean, imagine if your, the voice in your head, was this quiet.

Speaker 2:

There are times where mine is. Yeah, mine too yeah yeah, yeah, and most people in this community yeah you know speaking for other people and making assumptions here, and that's why I do what I do the way I do it, and create quiet create quiet a lot of comfort and quiet. You know I got on a call with someone recently and she was helping me and it's just a quick hour call and she was like, well, what is it that you do? And you know I threw a couple questions. It was like I help men actually hear themselves.

Speaker 1:

Ooh.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that's that's powerful.

Speaker 1:

And see themselves. Yeah, and well, that's why I'm and feel themselves All of the sensory experiences.

Speaker 2:

All of it, you know, and when we combine all those senses, everything starts to make sense.

Speaker 1:

Yeah that it does. So Chase and I are coming together here for only our second time ever in person recording a podcast. We're in Richmond. We're at Rainmaker Studio. We spent the morning at Kimberly's Cafe my house legend that, um yeah, let's talk, let's tell them about our morning.

Speaker 2:

Well, I rose today after a holiday. In Express you get a three out of 10 on bed comfort, Like I understand. My nervous system was all dysregulated from travel and I was up at three, I was at four, I was up at 530. A lot of them went off at 640 and two texts from Taylor Morgan already. One dude, I slept like crap. I'm going to take a slow morning. Two, actually, let's do it. So Taylor and I went and got a whole workout in at Planet Fitness with no lunk, a lot going off.

Speaker 1:

Which I also slept like crap last night. It sounds like that was a theme from everybody who is. You know, we're excited, we're building up for what's going to be an epic weekend and, yeah, I slept poorly last night and there was like a few things that popped up in my mind that this morning were hysterical, which the first one was I was like Taylor and Chase are going to Planet Fitness, they're totally going to set off the lunk alarm. That was like my, and then Taylor comes home from the gym and that's the first thing he says Chase and I didn't set off the lunk alarm.

Speaker 2:

I was like we even tried at the end we took our shirts off to do a set of reverse flies on the cables and we were allowed to. You know I'll sell my soul to troll everyone's in the gym.

Speaker 1:

Wow, I expect nothing less from the two of you. And then the second one was that Dave was going to come over and go out my backyard and look at my pepper plants and tomatoes and everything that are really have been lacking a lot of attention because I've been traveling and and because I just kind of gave up on them halfway through the season and he's going to go out there and judge me on them. And then the second he's there, he like I literally hand him the latte, he walks out back and he's like, oh, look at these pepper plants. I was like shit, he's cracking me up.

Speaker 2:

But we're so you're psychic.

Speaker 1:

Yes, which we've?

Speaker 2:

anybody who's been listening to this. It's like oh Kim, you just took that out of my head again.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

We already knew that. But and Taylor dropped me back off at the hotel and then I got a scooter, because you got a scooter and I was in the. I was in the Uber on the way that my hotel had yet to even open scooter apps and bird goes. I get a notification from bird. Allow bird to use your location, even like. Well, obviously you're using it because you know I'm near a plethora of scooters. Scoot it over to your house. Almost all the legends were already there. The Bubs came in a little later and big will in the kitchen cheffing it up. You're slaying coffee and the conversation, the vibes. I mean what a great way to get ready to come in here and have a podcast conversation.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh, absolutely Great way to kick off the whole weekend. It's like if I had a apartment that was bigger and I had more space and I had more hands to help, I would have done that with everybody, or?

Speaker 2:

or a homestead with them.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, that's a plan. That's what I'm working on. I was just manifesting it in Sedona. So I think we'll we'll see that in the next couple of years, 100% yeah, and the, yeah, the, the, the beauty of, like you said it. You're like, oh, there's like many lake house vibes and I'm like, yeah, well, we don't need, like one of the my favorite things about the friendships that I've cultivated through in lifted that. You know this is any person that I meet through this podcast, the certifications workshops that we go to, people that have been connected in our sphere, like I can find something in common with them, I can build a relationship with them, and there's a special group of humans that I've built really strong relationships with, just purely based on the fact that, like, we get together in person.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

And we have the opportunity to connect in, whether it's at retreats or events or because we're coming together for for whatever it is, or people that you know, the squad that's here in Richmond and it just makes me think about how much like how different my life is from a lot of people. And coming out of last week I was at God's getaway, sedona, coming home to Jenny and Eric at my house like they had cleaned my whole house after they had stayed there for the week. Eric's cooking me dinner. Crystal and Jenny had picked me up from the airport. I was like this is so magical.

Speaker 2:

I was reflecting on this in the airport yesterday because on my flight out here was a bunch of sailors fresh out of boot camp. And for anybody that doesn't know, I was in the Navy for four years and, like these guys are young, they got no insignia or anything on their uniforms yet and they're all like prim and proper. I asked the one guy because you know you call civilian sir when you're a boot camp, like you head out to a school yes, sir man, you don't need to do that with me Like what's your rate? He's like CS, which is a cook, and it's like I'm a cross rate to MA, though he's like all gung-hause, like spent four years at EN, soak it up, enjoy it, you know it, get the experience and right then you can see like all five of them like took a breath and just like kind of downshift. Like he just said, have fun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah right.

Speaker 2:

It's great. The reflection, though, to your point in this world. I was going with that. The Navy to I got out. In 2014, over nine years ago, I opened a gym. I thought I wanted to go to the CrossFit Games. You know, and you still could If I wanted to beat my body up, I was talking about Taylor. I talked about that with Taylor this morning that you know I am pain free, the strongest I've ever been. Still have good aerobic capacity. If I started doing you know Grace and Isabelle again, you know, just move it 135 pound barbell for 30 reps inside two minutes like I would start aching. I do not negation very tactical. Get the sleep that I need to recover like that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, it's like such an interesting evolution too is like the. So we're doing these shows. You'll have a second one with Dave solo, because there's you hear from Dave and Chase at least once a month on this podcast and you've heard a lot more from them. In the very beginning, we were cranking out shows like crazy. This is we're coming up on. We're just shy of two years of doing this podcast and a lot has shifted and changed and grown throughout that experience for us personally, for us professionally, for the show for and lifted as a brand for the community, like so much has happened and we, you know, when we all come together for the coaches round table, which we're going to get to do tonight with everybody at the event, With extra, like special guests, rolling through the round table oh it's going to be so fun. I'm like this is going to be one of the highlights of the weekend for me, without, like you know, we we do keep it light and fun and playful and there's more to learn about you and there's more to learn about Dave and there's more to like dive in deep on around you know, you guys, all three of us like what I think people love about the show and I know what people love about the show because they tell me is that we're so relatable and that we're honest and we're authentic and we are fun and enjoy like we have fun with it. And it's not about you know, I don't. I don't feel like I need to be smarter than anyone else? I don't see it is. I lived that for a while. I don't feel like I need to have all the answers, like I'm really here to just have a genuine conversation with people and see what we can learn from each other and see what we can share with you listeners, and so much of what this. What has you know some of the wins over the? Why don't we just do this? Let's do some of the wins over the last two years, of the shows that we've done and the people that we've talked to or the connections that have been made through the show.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean the conversations that you and I had with Laurel Erika, Julie Fouchet, Brian Sanders, Food Lies.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, those are three that come to mind right out of the gate that you and I hosted together and they were awesome. And then, because of that, I connected with Julie, because she and I, towards the end, started talking about some you know words, plus Joe to spend the stuff, and she ended up coming on my show. So, yeah, like big wins. And you're talking about two years. To me, yes, the show has been running two years and next month will be the two year anniversary of that inception point.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

At the Wake house with the paper out like let's do a podcast, no, let's do a podcast.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think people have heard me say this on the show before or if you missed some of those earlier episodes like I was pretty resistant in the beginning. I didn't really want to do it. I felt like a lot of imposter syndrome. I felt, unequivocally, I wasn't sure I was afraid to be seen on this level. I was like struggling a lot with the idea of like, okay, I'm going to commit to this, I'm going to do it. And once I got into the groove of it like you and Dave were so supportive of me and, as we're Mark and Adam, but like it was like having you guys be like no, come on, like come on. It was so helpful in the beginning and we, yeah, we came out swinging. We, we did a lot of really high level interviews in the beginning, which were great conversations, and one of the things that I learned through talking with people who were unfamiliar with the uplifted work was like it was really hard to have the types of conversations I wanted to have. Yeah, just based on the fact that they didn't really know where we were coming from, or some of the nuance and questions that we asked was missed, or like.

Speaker 2:

Adventure to guess that. That's why you know Julie came up as one of those wins, because she was somewhat familiar with the work you know and and this is why you know I and I know you've went this way like and kudos to you because the growth that you've had as a host, it's freaking awesome, dude, thank you. And this is why, like here around my own show in, lifted coaches are my favorite people. I've said it in my networks a level two in lifted coach will be a better podcast guest or host than 95% of people out there.

Speaker 1:

It's true in a way that is strikingly obvious once you attune yourself to pick up on the difference and you host your own podcast, Primal man Pathway.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, primal man podcast.

Speaker 1:

Primal.

Speaker 2:

Man, yeah, it was the Primal man pathway show. That was a mouthful. It's the Primal man podcast. And you know, to be completely transparent, there's a piece of me that's like oh, is it the Primal man podcast? Like, are you like?

Speaker 1:

I was just going to ask. I was like do you still feel connected to that name?

Speaker 2:

So here's yes and yes, because Primal to me is stripping it away and going back to basics. And while I may live a suburban life and you know I buy from a local farm I go to the farmer's market and we'll go to the grocery store, you know, once a month we'll order ramen on DoorDash and what, and there's still. I'm so much more connected to the basics than people that I see when I step out of this nice curated bubble that I've made. Yeah as far as there's a line there and, I think, being connected to, like that true primal, some people out there who cough liver king, you know, like the guy was very loaded beforehand and he created this online persona and Like he has a lot of those first-world luxuries too. There are very few of us out here using the word primal who are living in the woods Hunting with a bow, you know, living off the earth.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so to me. We're not on a loan here.

Speaker 2:

So that's, that's the yes and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, I think it's really something that you know, like the the evolution of what you coming out of CrossFit coaching into men's coaching. You know, here's like an interesting thing and, reflecting on the last two years of what you've done outside of this show, that we Probably haven't talked about as much, as people unless they start following you and they start listening to you Maybe are unaware of what you, what you were doing, but you created a brand inconsistency for yourself that was so authentic to you and so I'm so glad we're talking about this. It's so authentic and so accurate reflection of you, but also so consistent, like, and I would tell you, I would like send people your profile and be like look at what he's doing, because it's basic, it's straightforward, it's his personality. He's on camera, he's talking, he's keeping it simple and, like you see the same few backgrounds, because that's where he's at, like it's his ice path, it's his gym, it's his kitchen, it's his bison burgers. It's like, but it shows, you know, and I think one of the things that people find like building an online personality is like how do I do this? Or I don't know, is this really what people want to see or hear?

Speaker 2:

and it's like show your life if you go after so there and there are a couple ways to Go after it, and I've had business coaches like, well, hey, talk about these things because that's what people want to hear and that'll work to get them in, and then Either on the sales call or in the first coaching call, it's misaligned. You know and I've talked about this a few times recently in other platforms that I I was turned on to the fact that you know peace, joy, love, those all you know the vibrational scale. There's recent revelations. You know what the highest one is like 40 times higher than any of them love, authenticity. Oh higher than any of it interesting Okay and I, jared Davis, shout out Jared.

Speaker 1:

Hey Jared.

Speaker 2:

He, he said to me after we got off a strong coach call which a couple years ago, and I said I want my brand to grow via speaking engagements and podcasts, mainly like the whole DM outreach thing. Like I have Conversations with people, you you will not find me out here messaging 50 people a day just to open conversations. And I got off that call and there was a message From, from Casey Pepper oh yeah, this weekend. Yeah it's like hey, I heard you on a Chad and Melissa Curtis's podcast and I love what you're saying, how you combine more like confidence and mindset, work with the fitness and and Can we talk? And he became a client. Yeah, and. I messes Jared about that, just about getting that message. He said you're being your most authentic self and that shit is magnetic.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely is, yeah, that one of the biggest things that I've, one of my personal wins, or the last few years, and just this chapter of my life, this phase my life, is Realizing that the only thing I have to do is be myself and that the more myself I am, the more I enjoy it and the more that people will recognize, like if you listen to me on this show and you showed up at my house, like I would be the same human. So you know there's, there's no filter on it for me, in a way that is is purely selfish, if I'm honest, because I don't want to feel like I have to that rather selfish.

Speaker 2:

There's a difference between selfish like self-interestedness, and greed and the way that you do it, that I do it, it's not greed. We're not in here stealing the show, you know which, which to me is less than self-interest. You know it's not serving your most authentic self, it's not helping you get to where you really want to go. It's an a fair exchange of value between the speaker and the other person, the conversation or other people in the room. And To what you said earlier about the podcast just being natural conversation, learning from, from the other people that we talked to, that was something that pinged for me Like I really hope the listeners heard that. Yeah, that that's life, when you can have a really authentic conversation, show up as your most authentic self. That's where you know three degrees of influence your friends, friends, friends are affected by your stuff, and forward and back.

Speaker 1:

That's where you get to send out the strongest ripples out those three degrees, yeah, and I think you know why we can so easily drop in and be free to be ourselves is because we've cleared the stories, or We've, we've. You know it's not even cleared them, like. I think a more accurate way to say it would be thought about them, reviewed them, considered them, picked and choose which ones we want to live into or which ones we want to let go of.

Speaker 2:

Build the identity that allows you to be cool, calm, collected and comfortable within yourself, and that is one of the most freeing things and it's Everything she said, multi like about how free and it is for anybody who's tip tone around working with an enlisted coach, getting into the community. There are, and we're really good with words. It is almost impossible to describe with words the freedom that is created by going in and like I got. This is my story and it happened and that's cool to me. That's where the the, the objectivity that you can look at your stories with and Take the emotion out of it, are the ones that that are worthwhile taking the emotion out of. Really, really pump up the emotion on the good ones. That's where authenticity comes in.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's. I know you've been speaking about this a lot more recently about being embodied, and I've been doing a lot of work with women on this and Obviously you're doing this with men and one of the things that I learned in my personal journey and that I'm starting to learn and see reflected to me in the women that I work with, is that it is is Impossible to be embodied when you are so stuck in this, in the clusterfuck of your stories in your head, because the energy just doesn't move Below the neck, it is all up top, it's completely constricted and tangled up and tight and and everything is Stuck, and then the breath is also stuck and we can't really actually drop in To feel what it feels like in our body, because the freedom is an emotional freedom that is through your emotional body and through your physical body and it has to move through the entire System. And if you're like, what are you talking about? It's like, you know, when you feel really good and you feel anchored into your body versus when you feel floated out above it or you feel so much tension or stuckness in the head and that embodiment piece, like what I've more recently Like, really kind of connected, all the dots on was like oh, you can only get there when you're free of the story, because you can't. You need to have the conversation with the rest of your body. You're when your head's only having the conversation with itself. What are you gonna?

Speaker 2:

You're not gonna feel 100% and there can be big resistance to that. You, our subconscious, can have an almost autoimmune response. Right, and Some people can be like, well, I have life by the balls, like I'm making good money, like I, I got a seven figure net worth. Why would I want to look at those stories and they they may have them self-convinced. It there's not any stories, I just need a fix for this thing. Well, that thing is a representation of how your stories are showing up, and when we actually allow yourself to get into it, then that, that's. That's that freedom. And and I've had clients who Make more money than then honestly, I want to make a priority in my life to make you know like I want family time and I want enough cash to enjoy that. Yeah, and having all of those achievements can almost be and take out the almost a hindrance to Finding that freedom. Yeah, it's like well, what happens if I change? Do I lose all this?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it creates attention and anxiety around just having to maintain that. And you know you can see this and people around you in their lives like they reach a certain level of success or they reach a certain level of, like you know, material possessions or the house or the car or whatnot, and and I've been thought about this myself plenty of times it's like, well, what if I have to give up my cushy apartment? Or what if I have to, you know, trade in my car that for something else, like because I'm you know I'm not making enough money, and that scarcity feeling that can run. When we evaluate our lives off of that, we're missing the point and the and there's so many people in the world that are mostly evaluating their lives off of that to your point.

Speaker 2:

I, few months before I got into and lifted, I bought a brand new 2020 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro almost a $50,000 truck, put a decent amount down on it. I had a $500 a month car payment. That's $6,000 a year in a car payment. A Year later, after going through level one, level two and I, yes, likely through level three by then, because I just ripped him out I Sold that Tacoma for $3,000 more than I paid for it and with the equity I bought a 2007 forerunner that I will drive for the next decade.

Speaker 1:

And I go forever or two, so they go forever and like, yeah, am I a car guy?

Speaker 2:

Do I enjoy seeing a Porsche on the road? Sure, if I ever. You know, with the business acquisition side of things, that Turns out that I have a seven, eight figure net worth and I can pay cash for a twin turbocharged Lamborghini. Sure, toys are great. When we go for those first and try and find ourselves by all this external stuff, it can Make it an even bigger climb to go back with it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah and so okay, this is actually a great branch off because, obviously, you're working with men on their health, wellness, well-being, mental components and whatnot. And then you're doing that and coaching, but you're also working in doing Business acquisition. Yeah and when did you start taking that? Like tell the listeners a little bit about that journey, cuz I know it's like it's it's been this thing that like kind of comes up or you're like something of that. What would you say in the show the other day? We're like oh, my other ventures.

Speaker 2:

Well, you know one of it. One part of this comes into owning what I've done, and it's something in the last couple years since I shut the gym down, which is we can dive in there after this if we want. I ran a fucking kick ass business for eight years and for most that I was Just like I just what I do, like I own a gym like no big deal. No, I had a. I still have people to this day. It's like that was the best gym with the best coach in that, the best people that I've ever been a part of. I've tried three others Since you shut it down like y'all, I am really fucking good at fitness and gym stuff, like you're really good at everything yeah. I shout out, shout out to my parents because they did a damn good job.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, shout out to your whole family honestly.

Speaker 2:

And you know so, actually a couple people who have been through level one, conrad Kozuch and Kozuk and Austin Linnie. We had all connected. Austin and I put together a container for coaches and people and we ran a low mastermind of people and just getting on talking a couple times a month and the three of us connected. We started getting into like how can we work? You know, we have a really skill set that meshes really well and we're gonna do real estate, we're gonna stand up like a real estate mastermind and then the real estate markets are turning and people are like well, hey, my investors want to invest in recession-proof businesses. Funny thing about that is we no longer have those investors because of a falling out. We managed to and we were already back it up before I, because that came later in the timeline. We found this HVAC and plumbing home services business in rural Pennsylvania. I've been over for 22 years and the owner wanted to sell and it's. This seemed like a unicorn deal. After getting into it, there is like one of the office managers was in Bezzaline, oh God, and like the books had been a little cooked or like this and that you know. It's like, but and because of all that we got a a heck of a deal on this business. We got better terms than we ever could have got and it really comes around into you had touched on this earlier. When you're in your most authentic self, you can see these opportunities, and when you drop the stories of what you think you should be doing, you can lean into what you are meant to be doing, and this enlisted skill set. Austin sent me an article recently that a company replaced its managers with coaches, saw a 20% increase in productivity and employee happiness went through the roof.

Speaker 1:

Wow.

Speaker 2:

Now, those are just coaches. They're not necessarily enlisted coaches right so I'm I'm in charge of, like our C-suite, and as we replace ourselves the ownership as and bring in a C-suite of Individuals that will run our portfolio, I will be Bringing those people in, helping them stand up their mindset like you're gonna work for us, you're gonna clear some stories, and this this work transcends, you know, principles transcend paradigms is something I've parroted since I first heard it in 2018.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, it's cool to hear the other side of what you're up to because it's the skills are so Translatable, and I think we touched on this actually in our last round table on running out of time, telling him money, about looking for ways to earn income outside of coaching or Feeling like we need to earn, getting income outside of coaching or wanting to earn income outside of coaching. Listen, let's face it, like Instagram, coaching makes it look like this is like such a like, fun, interesting lifestyle, like I just sit around and teach people how to be me and they pay me millions, like that is not, that's not an accurate reflection of the industry and you yes, of course you can't. The potential is there to do that and there is a great opportunity and there's. There is a foundational level of business skill and coaching skill and patience, and A bit me.

Speaker 2:

You thank you, because I've seen people get into it. They're like well, I learned all this stuff and my life is changed. I want to go be a coach. Yeah, and where I like to give myself a pat on the back is I've had a couple like I thought some clients like that who are getting Into being coaching and and it's the correct path for them. And there's a couple others who, like, thought about it and they thought about leaving everything else behind, changing careers, and they're just piling it on onto what they're already doing, which is phenomenal because they get to use their standing networks and and still have this passion project and they they have now created a newfound appreciation for the career they had because they cleared the stories around hitting their career.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean I've seen that with teachers that have come through the elected certifications, I've seen that with let's see what else. If there is anything that stands out in my mind, yeah, that I would say that's the primary like role that I can think of, that there a few people have come through that of teachers that then have a different relationship with teaching and the stress of that job and the like. Just the the work that that is the reality is, is like I'm bringing this point up to expand your mind around what coaching could look like, yeah, which is that it could work in a corporate setting, it could work in a consulting business, it could work in mergers, acquisitions, it could work in Leadership skills, it could work in sales, and when I say could, I mean it does because it people are using this skill set in that way and Something that I think is like. I'm curious to see this over the you know, next five, ten years across what the coaching industry looks like, because Online education and learning is definitely just starting to take off and grow like we're completely shifting.

Speaker 2:

I think, I think the coaching and industry becomes where Smart leaders send their managers to become more skilled at managing effectively.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I think I mean it's like you. You need that skill set.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because there's a disconnect when people move into management and they're not producing anymore. That's where micro managing comes in. Yeah, they feel like they need to be right in on driving the effect of what happens. Now your job is to support your people and how best to support it, besides being a badass coach.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, I think, like you know what is the definition of coach or what is that, what does that role mean? And I think in any, whatever industry you're in or whatever type of client relationship you're in, that that Definition is gonna be mutable. It's not always gonna be fixed in the same. Yeah, when I coached fitness, that looked very different than when I coached nutrition. It looked very different than what I coach, how I coach women. Now and it's one of the other things that this actually came up with Rachel at the goddess getaway. She had this, you know. She had a moment where she's like you know, I realized, like I don't need to have it all figured out or I don't need to be the one with all the answers in the way where I'm guiding all of them Like I'm on the same, I'm on the same playing field as these women and we're here to grow and share together. And I think what makes a really great coach is like recognizing that, like you're human, I'm a human. We've each had our own experiences. I might know a little bit more about certain things that I can share with you, and I'm going to do it in a way that is we're on the same playing field versus being this guru. I have the answers.

Speaker 2:

You need to do this, you need to do this. Yeah, and I get it from my clients because I Know I've said it on this show before it can be really easy to take for granted the work that I've done for me. Yeah, you know they're like oh yeah, well, this is just life like yeah, everybody know all this stuff. Yeah, absolutely and I'll drop some anecdotal stuff or something. That's not the magic and lifted questions and like oh wow, I never thought about that way, thank you. Like yeah, you know and I wanted to drop this one too that Everything I teach guys from the beliefs, the rhythm, the fuel, the movement. It's just how I live my life and how I've created what I've created. Yeah, to have a bad-ass wife who is the reason I'm here while she's taking care of a one-year-old daughter who's In the in my cousin's wedding this weekend. They're going to the rehearsal dinner tonight and she said no, you go for that one day. Yeah it's, it's how thanks Sarah. Thank you, baby, I love you so much. It's it's how that relationship has been cultivated. She's a she's a level one coach too. It's how my business Ran for the last couple years and also what gave me the clarity to say well, I can let go of this and I can go into the next step and all of these foundational pieces to take it back to that primal thing. It allows us to step into whatever the heck we want.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we, I mean, you know, though, we can get woo over here, and also I want to make mention that we're at least 30 minutes into this show and Chase has not yet said that time is not real. But one of the things I, you know, I think is really is interesting and important here is, like we truly are the creators of our own reality and whatever level at which you want to believe that, whether it's just, it is more, I want to be this and I'm gonna use my words to say this, and and you still live in that 3d world and you and you are just getting yourself tuned to the magic right, cuz, cuz. I know it was like for me when I first started to like really understand that the creator of my reality, like what? Oh, okay, I mean, I can make my choices and I can do these things, and still in a very like human way, and then that started to Expand. My capacity of what it was like started to expand, and what we're talking about here is Different levels and ways in which you can be in the driver seat of your life, and actually that's a great spell for me. My dad used to say that to me all the time he's like be in the driver seat of your life you know that's my my mystical Giants album on Spotify.

Speaker 2:

One of my tracks is life happens, and this was I mean. Most of those tracks were journaling sessions on a beach that got recorded. And Life happens most people toss and I like yeah, and it's usually like life happens too, and life happens for us is really popular To me. I took it. Life happens by me, you know, and yeah, there will fit. There are things that happen to me my brother died like.

Speaker 1:

How I react to that, though, is by Me, and that that to me is is something that give you still say that that happened to you, or would you like because, or would you say that that happened?

Speaker 2:

It just. I mean, oh well you want to talk about a magical spell. I mean, have somebody go through a tough story and then write it happened. Yeah and talk about movement energy, or if you can say it happened about something heavy. It's likely out of your emotional ownership.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's over a ship and and I think, like you know, here's the things right, that good, getting back to that, create it, creator of the reality thing, like, and in there the layer, the way I think, the way I've experienced it and I would be curious to hear your take on it too Is that, once I got through that kind of the idea of like, oh, my choices, I can make the right choices, I can do these things and that's gonna drive my life, then it became a little more oh, my energy, my frequency, how I show up in my emotional body, how I, how well I breathe or don't breathe, is emitting out to the world around me.

Speaker 2:

Stanford University science that Everybody out there can accept. That, you know, has been proven as a place that will accept science. It isn't Gaia TV, for those Andrew Huberman's right. Yeah, it's Andrew. Yes.

Speaker 1:

Thank you.

Speaker 2:

Stanford University has measured that our heart emits waves and vibration that can be felt at least three feet away. So you know why they want to stick away from each other. Who knows? And? And you know. So if we take that and then we go through the fact that you've pulled things out of my head, I've pulled things out of your head over the airwaves on zoom, the fact that I've done psychic readings on people where I say yeah, you did an energy session on me from wherever the yeah, I'm many miles apart. Yeah, yeah, you felt a shift, you know, and and you knew things that I was like. So when you, when you drop your own stories, you can pick up on other stuff. Yeah and when Chronomphysics has proven the particles can communicate through space and time, which time and distance aren't real. We are everywhere, always. This is the stuff that I'm happy to get into and I often this is you wanna talk about me showing up on social media? I keep some of that stuff locked away because, while it is there, the practical application of stories and lifestyle to me are the easiest levers to pull, and Joe Dispenza has showed the science behind this. So you get your vibration correct, which to me, that's that authenticity. Then, if your life, if you are in a river of energy, or you are the river of energy, then what happens when you become in tune with it? You can take that river and, instead of trying to swim in the river, swim upstream, control it and get knocked against the rock side to side. You can take the river and it just finds a way to go up and to the right into a new reality, and that new reality isn't like oh, look, my brother's alive again. It's like look at all these fricking awesome opportunities that I would have otherwise missed or not had because I'm showing up as myself.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's to bring you to the practical nature. Personally, I wasn't open or receptive to understand and to fully grasp what type of the more unseen ways of cultivating and changing my energy. I wasn't open to them because I was still blocked by the story. So I mean we can use this like Joe dispenses a great example of this, like if you're familiar with his work, the meditation and breath work that he does, if you can't sit down to do a 45 minute meditation and believe that it's gonna work and also be able to breathe clear, like breathe well and keep your mind clear and stay in that energetic state and frequency, it's, quite frankly, it's not gonna work. You know like you're too distracted, you're not a clear instrument, you're not a clear vessel, you're just.

Speaker 2:

And Joe talks about it that he puts it really well, and I'll put it in Chase terms that we are essentially addicted, because that's the pattern our body knows. If we've been hating on people, we're gonna keep hating on people and likely hating on ourselves Been turned on opportunities. If we think things aren't worth it, we're gonna keep thinking we're not worth those things. Now, when we use meditation and this is why, and when I had Megan the Savage Megalith- on my podcast yeah, we'll see her this weekend. Yeah, when I had her on my show I asked her. I was like has story work? Cause she was really into Joe before she came into it and lifted. It's like has the story work improved your meditation? She's like huh, I hadn't really thought about that and yes, oh yeah. Because and you and I have talked about this how story work and meditation together, it's like cool. Now we can look at the story that's running and the mechanism that's running. Now I can meditate into this whole new feeling and I wanna really I have this nugget to drop that a lot of people will try and meditate. And there's these feelings that we have yet to feel. And there was a dream I had that a stock I was holding went to like $72,000 a share right. And I was like I came out of that dream like I'm set, everything is good, my family's taken care of, and I was like that's what that feels, like that's the emotion.

Speaker 1:

I want to pattern into my body. I had one of those about two nights ago.

Speaker 2:

Let's go.

Speaker 1:

of course you did, yeah it was very much like to piggyback on the idea like there's feelings we haven't felt yet. Honestly, it's like quite difficult to describe, but it was for sure a feeling I hadn't felt yet, and it was I was listening to Abraham Hicks just something that they said, the way that it was said, exactly as it just hit, in a way that resonated, and then my whole body started to light up with the feeling and I started to really understand where I was like wow, okay, this is what I have to be open to experiencing, and what I can say in that sense is like a very strong feeling, a very strong, pleasant feeling, a very like you know, I would call it love, and it was just expansive and like and really filling and it and what I recognized when I was feeling it, I was like why haven't I felt this before? Why haven't I felt it in this way before? And I was like I'm blocking it from a story, Like I became a parent to me, like it became really clear why. I was like, oh, I've never been able to feel this before because my mind has never let me go there. But my body knows how to feel it. So if I can drop the mind and I can be in a more receptive state, and then I can also allow the emotions to move, rather than meeting them with a resistance and we're meeting them with a story or meeting them with fear, anxiety, stress, whatever that is you feel it. Once you can get back there, yes, and so once you know it, it's familiar. But then you're always looking to like expand that out, because you know to combine that conversation with the Joe Spenza and the three feet away from your heart, you wanna build your field as big as you can build it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, and this is where grandfather clocks come in. Yeah, and I heard this one first in level one. I know it's not a set part of the curriculum. Mark dropped it as an aside in the level one that you know, if you put grandfather clocks in a shop they'll all fall in tune with the biggest one. And I believe I sent you the picture of the book I was reading last year where it dropped the whole story of how the law of entrainment was found. This physicist in the 1600s. He was just tinkering with his clocks and he realized that they fell in sync, you know, and they were communicating through tiny vibrations in the wooden housing. It's why women's cycles sync up. That's been a lot of time. It's the tides and the moon, it's dripping faucets that sync up. And when we take that and we look at the vibration on hardimits, when we go back to authenticity, well, how do we become the biggest fricking grandfather clock in the room?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's something that cause I've had. I know people have said that's about you for sure, but I've also had this people say about me is that when you show up, the energy changes.

Speaker 2:

I'm gonna brag on myself for a second. I'm gonna own a win. Leaving Mother's Day this year, my sister Paige's mixed steps her nickname from there.

Speaker 1:

Hey, caitlin hey.

Speaker 2:

Caitlin. She had everybody from our family and her in-laws family over at her house and I was sitting with her two sister-in-laws and one of their husband at the table and I was just talking, holding court, if you will, and it was great. It was awesome and I'm leaving. I hear one of her sister-in-laws go that she went back in the living room. She goes. I feel lighter just to have her talking to him.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And I'm like I'm gonna go to the store Wild. There's a passage in one of his books. He says when you'll get to a point where you don't necessarily need to hang a shingle on your door I put this in Mighty Networks probably a couple months ago when you don't need to hang a shingle on your door, you'll walk down the street and you will make people's days better.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And that to me like I will keep coaching in some aspect or another until I run out of time, energy or money for it, and that's impact.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely. I think about. An image that just flashed in front of my mind was yesterday, my workout and coming out of my class and just, you know, stepping into. I've been going back to Roe House because I just really love it and taking the approach of like, yes, I know a lot about this sport. Yes, I know a lot about this brand. Yes, I know a lot about these classes. I know it in and out. I did it for so long. I'm still a newbie. Every time, like, I'm here to connect with the coach, learn a little bit about them. I'm here to meet the people in the room and just enjoy my time and work hard and enjoy it, you know, connect to myself in that environment and just because I genuinely love being there, you know, and it's like I come in and I can tell, like you know, I'm also attuned to this because, like I've done group fitness for so long and I've coached it and I've managed the studio, like I can see, I come in and I'm smiling and I'm bright and I'm excited to be there and everybody else kind of shifts and they're like, oh cool. And then after class, same thing. I'm like, yeah, great class. I love this song, I love that chatting with some of the people there that I know and used to work with and just like giving them reflections of my experience and their experience like oh, I didn't think about it that way, oh, I didn't you know, yeah, you're right, and not to be from a place of anything other than that it's the truth and it's genuine, and reflecting something to them that I can tell they're not seeing or they're not like able to see. And I know that that type of stuff makes a difference, because when I you know, from the first minute of the conversation to the third minute of the conversation, I can read it on them that their energy has shifted and I think to myself how many times has that happened where I haven't even known it?

Speaker 2:

100%, you know, and being intentional about it is something I like to do, where I use the magic question what's the highlight of your day? Yeah, I did it today. Just stand by the elevators in the hotel.

Speaker 1:

What's the highlight of your day today, oh?

Speaker 2:

You know people ask me that question anymore. I'm like I gotta pick one. I know You're gonna ask me to pick a highlight Like life is the fucking highlight.

Speaker 1:

That is the one I've found. I'll drop here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like it's all of this. When we get back to being embodied in embodied, take out the E embodied I'm embodied, or in my body. Like it's so powerful.

Speaker 1:

How do men take that when you start talking to them about that?

Speaker 2:

what do they there's a reason. I don't what do they?

Speaker 1:

yeah well-.

Speaker 2:

Because you know you could and I love all my peeps in Austin and there's hysterical like the Austin Texas spiritual coach, you know.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's what I was gonna ask. I think you may be one of the first men that I've heard say it, and where about? Maybe it's just the first man? I actually would pay attention to saying it, because every other dude I would just be like get out of here. But women. I'm far more familiar about how women talk about it and experience it, and through different I mean countless different types of like sensual practices and just like a lot of those different ways. But I'm so curious about because I know women are triggered by it and are have resistance to it, and then they get into it and they're like oh, so I like to use like for, you know, men who are often, you know, overly masculine or immature or hyper drive or shadow masculine state, to get a little Carl Jung on it.

Speaker 2:

I like to talk about it for more practical state and shocker right and motivation to discipline, to embodiment, and when habits and actions become less disciplined, like, oh man, I need to get up and do this, or even I get to get up and do this, you stop thinking about it and you just start doing it. Well, now you've embodied that idea.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it is really second nature, it's just who you are. It's just what you do.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's like me micro dosing and doing fitness. Yeah, it's just who I am.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's like I think about that. For me with food, like it was in the beginning of learning how to eat better and how to like, prepare and cook food. It was hard, it took work, it took new learning, it took unlearning, it took effort, it took you know all the things Now. By no means it is it's so easy because it's what I do and because it's that important to me that this is what it's.

Speaker 2:

Just it's a non-negotiable, quite honestly, the life is not forced anymore and in my gym life was forced. It was like, oh man, let's go get clients, let's go do this, let's try and keep somebody here, even though, like, they're probably good to just go to a regular gym and work out. And I'm a brick and mortar, I need the revenue. The force stops and it starts flowing, and flow is so much more fun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it feels way better, it's easier. Like, yeah, so much of my life, like I think about my life, like even today. Perfect example before guys Chase called me out before we started this podcast, called me forward, excuse me so he noticed that I was definitely and I mean rightfully so I've been coordinating for all these people to come into town and just wanting to make sure that everyone is here and knows where to be and like is having a good time and is taken care of and I'm excited about seeing everybody and I'm like my energy is much more up. And he's like are you a little upregulated? I'm like yes, he's like maybe we take a few deep breaths before we start, and I was like, ok, and what I notice is that there is an aspect of control that I really, for most of my life like wanted to be in control, want to be in control, want to make sure that everything's perfect. It's like a control and perfectionism had a baby and that's like how most of my life, I would say, is the lens I live through. And because I care about how I portray myself and because I care about the experience that other people have around me and what I've come to understand, the more embodied that I am, the more present I am in my body, the more that I'm just relaxed into my body. Even when I'm upregulated, I'm still in flow, because no part of me felt you can notice it, because you're trained to notice it and because you can pick up on it and you know me well too, so you have a benchmark of what is normal. But there's also this idea of like I have gotten to the place now where I can be in that stressed, upregulated state and it isn't consciously hindering me. The program in my head isn't running that like. I gotta get this done, this has to happen. It's like I'm still very present in what I'm doing. I'm just like there's excitement around it.

Speaker 2:

It's just been some stimulus and less 72, 96 hours, yeah, 100% and totally. I'm like when I brought that up it was just we're on the way over here. You have a higher rate of speech than I usually. I catch myself on podcasts at times. And I was like and I listened a couple of times. I was like I waited in the car. I waited in the car and then we were in here. I was like, well, we'll bring it up. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, it's also like I appreciate, like friends that see me that way and then can help me adjust right Versus you know, because even it's, we all need it at some point in time. We all need that little bit of reality check or grounding cord or some aspect of just like.

Speaker 2:

Can I say something to the listeners real quick? Yeah please, if you are not calling your friends forward, you're not a real friend.

Speaker 1:

I agree with that Negation.

Speaker 2:

now it's real friends, call their friends forward. I'll lift the statement and I wanted to put a little pressure on it on purpose.

Speaker 1:

What I was going to say in the context of, like, what I appreciate about it is. It gives me the opportunity to check in with myself and also be a little vulnerable. Like, be vulnerable with you, be vulnerable with myself and say yeah, honestly, yes, right, versus ignoring it.

Speaker 2:

No, no, no.

Speaker 1:

We're acting like it's right, exactly, and like, if I'm honest, I have difficult conversations with my friends, like all of the time.

Speaker 2:

That's I don't.

Speaker 1:

I wouldn't call it difficult, I would say that they're that style of oh, you're mirroring something to me and you're telling me directly and now I have to witness something in myself that, oh man, oops Well and I was gonna make this point earlier talking about heart resonance and embodied like.

Speaker 2:

That's one reason that the Lakehouse vibes at your apartment today felt so good with everybody in there, because everybody's pendulum is calibrated and you're in a room with a bunch of people who, in any other room, are likely the biggest grandfather clock in the room and everybody's picking up on that from each other.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's so much like I even think about this. Like I love having people in my home, I love having that energy fill my space, I love hosting people to stay with me, or if people like I let people stay at my house when I'm traveling, and it's literally like it just fills the home with more good energy.

Speaker 2:

Anybody listening to this has likely walked into a house where there's a tumultuous relationship, or maybe even not, and you can tell. There was an argument recently. You can feel the like sound has been proven to imprint on drywall behind paint.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I believe that.

Speaker 2:

And if sound is vibration and everything's a vibration, then our words fucking matter.

Speaker 1:

Sorry, too bad for you, yeah they do, but they do, and this is the thing that you know, at the core of everything that we're talking about. Right Like this is about everything that I teach, do experience with, and lift it and share with you guys and that we like to talk about. Sometimes, I like, if you're depending on what point of awareness you're at with these concepts or how much you've explored them or how much you've experienced them there's going to be some things you're like what the heck?

Speaker 2:

And then I'll say this too it has 100%, like getting into the more woo side, which reality is magic.

Speaker 1:

It's just yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2:

Getting into the more acceptance of what reality is and the underlying forces that have yet to be named just people have been trying to name them through the eons has made me an infinitely better coach, because asking the right questions, knowing which part of the story to go into, which translation to even make, when you're tapped into that and tapped into, I'll say it tapped into the field.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Well you know which words to put on that Google Doc. So for any coaches listening to this that are stuck in, the system is very practical and if you've only looked at the practical side of it, pick up breaking the habit of breaking the habit of being yourself. Pick up becoming supernatural. Read some, joe Dispens.

Speaker 1:

Both of those books are so good, so good, and it makes it so real. He, literally, he busts through the story of the woo because it's not woo. No, it's not, it's just what it is.

Speaker 2:

It's neuroscience, yeah.

Speaker 1:

It's the things we can't quite understand, right.

Speaker 2:

Science is finally catching up to spirituality.

Speaker 1:

This is something that I've been thinking about recently in a way that is just pretty much blowing my mind. I was talking about this with Eric Patton. I started watching Cleopatra on Netflix, which this takes place in like 35 BC or something like that, or like somewhere around that time, and it's Egypt and the Roman Empire, and I now understand why all these dudes are thinking about the Roman Empire so much. And so the thing is is, like you know, I put myself back into this. They call it a documentary. It's not a documentary because they have actors, you know, but they're trying to recreate what it was like and what I was observing and thinking and what I've thought when I've watched things like ancient civilizations or I think about all of the things that are, you know it's we are not so evolved and so tapped in and so aware compared to those previous versions of humans and, if anything, we may have lost some abilities and lost some more connected ways of living. And when I look at it, I think to myself. I'm like why do we think now? As just because we're alive in this moment?

Speaker 2:

Because we're running this experiment. That is the best way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and just because it's we think of time on a timeline and we think that all those years ago they didn't have anything figured out, you know like, oh man, if they only knew then what we knew now, like actually hold on, I don't know, I'm not so convinced.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

So I think about this from a place of like, and I was having this conversation with someone else about talking about how new the school system is right, Public schools.

Speaker 2:

I want to nation of workers, nation of thinkers.

Speaker 1:

But public schools are a really, really, really modern concept, very new concept. This is not something that is, you know, because we're having a conversation versus public schools or private schools, versus homeschooling. And she's a teacher and she very much had a strong opinion about schools and public schools and all of that. And I realized that in the Dave's here. What's up, Dave? So I realized in the conversation how I was like, oh my God, like we are. So we are so like dropped in and so convicted in our beliefs and our views on the world that we can't even recognize that, even though something happened 2000 years ago, happened 10,000 years ago, whatever, somehow we think that the way that we're behaving and acting now is better.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Or is more evolved or is more right or correct, and it's like yo, this, none of this shit.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's like who says that that was you know somebody tell me why? When I had a past lives reading, the first lifetime she went to was one of the oldest, when I was a famous philosopher, maybe even Plato, who knows no, she said she was like I keep hearing.

Speaker 1:

Or Socrates.

Speaker 2:

No, well, she said she keeps hearing platonic, platonic and she's like, and I she didn't know much about like Plato's life, and she's like, oh yeah, from a young age you had this and you look up and it lined up. So, who knows? And talking about energy in our body, right, I'm glad you, I'm glad this segway back into this, because you were talking about energy in the body and the last lifetime she hit on I was a monk, a Buddhist monk, and I would like Are we surprised?

Speaker 1:

Are we surprised?

Speaker 2:

I was like astral travel to people and act as a guide, and I left that lifetime intentionally. And while she was recapping this one, I cried spontaneously twice. It was like I was remembering something that I didn't know I'd missed. I got off that call. My vision was blurry not from tears, just like energy blurry and I sat down and I meditated and it was the biggest like and I could still now recreate it because I felt it to this day. I was like I was able to get it up and down my spine before feeling the energy moving and I like it went out to my shoulders Like the only way to put it is like I was sprouting wings of energy. It was absolutely some would say like insane and because I felt that, because I felt that level of energy, I can tap back into that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, my point with the whole thing is like so much of what we believe and what we experience now, in this moment, without contemplating or considering or looking outside of ourselves and looking for that bigger, greater understanding of how the world works or how things are moving around us or how we can influence the world around us, comes down to like. We can really boil this down to the fact of like how fixed are you and your stories?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, how fixed, how fixed are you and your stories, and are they your stories?

Speaker 1:

True, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

The one of the biggest shifts I've seen. And I had a client who he said I'm not living this story anymore. Put the cursor in front of the T and hit delete. I'm not living his story anymore. And when we can release other stories that we've integrated as our own through, it happens right Like time and time again it happens we release that then we get to pick up the pen and author our own for sometimes the first time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and you get to pick and choose them. And one of the other things I think is really important along this path is like the times where the story that you picked to live into then you get more information down the line you realize, oh shit, that wasn't right.

Speaker 2:

I like to liken that to climbing a mountain getting to one summit and seeing the next one that you wanna climb. Yeah, you get to start climbing, though. Pick up the pen, start writing, and it might change. I started writing a book and I might've waited too long. The muse might've left. I might be writing a different book now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I've thought about that myself many times. Yeah yeah, you know I'm an avid writer and I write a lot in my journals and I had this one idea for the book that I thought I was gonna write, and now I'm like I have zero interest in writing that book. I wanna write something different, I wanna do something different, but the process of doing it right, Putting the stuff down on paper and being in it, whether it gets published or not, whether it gets shared or not is just in the act of doing is what moves that muse right, Cause the muse isn't a fixed thing either. It's like that's very free flowing and that free flowing.

Speaker 2:

My take on this is that we're a conduit For that muse, for whatever energy there is. You know we're a soul with a body and you know God is a sphere whose center is everywhere and circumference is nowhere. And when we talk about it like that, well, it makes sense to clear out everything Stories that are stuck in our nervous system, toxins that are in us, you know, move your body daily to clear the energy all of that stuff. And this comes back to why I do stuff the way I do it. I know if, for any guys that are still here and are still kind of like on the fence, like really this guy like has stood in rooms and have people tell him that he's the most masculine man they've met Like yeah, and I've been there, I've been there. We're like I'm just gonna drive fast cars, I'm gonna do fitness and bury my demons in the gym, I'm gonna run a business that does X amount in revenue. I've went through the paces and found that all of that stuff was just searching outside of myself for something that I had the keys to inside of me all along.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and how other men portrayed to you what success is or how it was supposed to look. And, yeah, one of the things that I think, like I mean I say this to you, I say this to a lot of the men that coach men within the in lifted community is like I'm so grateful for the work that you guys do, because it's so. It's rewriting the story of masculinity and re shifting the story around what it is to be masculine. And one of my biggest fucking pain points in life is when people talk about toxic masculinity. I'm like masculinity is not toxic. There's nothing about being masculine that is toxic. In fact, we need more of it. We need more of it and we need more femininity. We need people who are going to be in that energy within themselves, in the duality, and then also share it out in the world and so step into it even more. But learn how to do it from people who have run the gamut and who have cleared the stories and who have shown up and can prove through their actions, behaviors, experience, how you feel when you're around them. That's who you want to learn from. That's who you want to be mod like. That's who you want to model after, and it's not about for me to decide that. For you, it's how you feel in that person's presence and how you feel what they evoke out of you and who you want to be more like.

Speaker 2:

This is why, in the way of the Primal man ebook that I have, I talk about the yin and yang symbol, because there's been a loss of the masculine and then the feminine has tried to balance it out for men to be fully embodying the masculine and have access to the feminine, have access to that easy going and that flow, and for women to be in the feminine and have access to that masculine energy. That is absolutely invaluable and so many guys. You know, I'm listening to a book right now by a famous entrepreneur and he talks about these relatively toxic ideas about how to find your motivation, and this guy's worth eight, nine figures, run one of the biggest companies in the world and it's unfortunate that, you know. It begs the question for me like, well, is that how we get there? Is that the you know? And then, at that rate, like, is that-.

Speaker 1:

It's how some people get there.

Speaker 2:

It's how some people get there. Yeah, and you know it's how a lot of people think we need to get there. They think that's the only path up the mountain. Yeah, and then they wonder why they keep scrambling back down the mountain and why they're hurting the whole way up.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think one of the things I'm thinking about now is like how much noise there is and how many different role models and different people you could choose to follow and how polarizing most of them are. And so, if you spend a lot of time on social media and you spend a lot of time in echo chambers of the same kind of thought, ideas and people who which I could say we're guilty of in some ways, 100% this is why I like this bubble and-.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I consciously seek out people that have differing opinions from me. I have a really really good friend who we have some different political ideas, we have some different beliefs about what went on for the last three years and we still both really respect each other and have really good conversation around everything.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and that's important, because without that ability to have dialogue and to consider and to actually be open to other people's perspectives and ideas, that's where you need the opportunity to be able to form and create your own story and then match how you want to whatever stories you wanna clear out, to be able to support that or to step into it. And so much of what we've been this conversation has been natural and free, flowing, and we were gonna talk about being a parent and we didn't, and but so much of this is like. This is the process. This is the type of dialogue, this is the type of thinking and considering and openness that allows you to then bring it back down to earth. Because, even if you think this is happening all above your head or it's happening out here, like I'm making this big arch over my body with my hands, if you think it's all happening out here, how do you ground it back in right? You need the practical nature of the story and the breath and the words. So, coming out of everything that we've talked about today, for people who are trying to figure out, okay, all of this is up here and it's floating above me and I don't know exactly what to do to like start to implement this in my life, or I don't know how to make this practical 100% of the way. What are the best ways that you teach people to do?

Speaker 2:

I love that question, the best ways I teach people to do it and I wanna. This piece when we've talked about is Primal man still resonated as a brand. There's a reason that the intro to the show is now my wife Sarah is saying helping guys embrace the basics to go from dad bod to father figure.

Speaker 1:

Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because a father figure is much more than it starts here Dad bod isn't hot, sorry. No, and the dad bod is an internal it's a story thing, it's a representation of values and actions are indicative of values.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And what are your actions showing and how I help people embrace this like just practically. It takes the basics from Dave nice shoes, dude, grounded athlete shout out. And I take the basics from all of the years I spent in fitness. I was first a personal trainer in 2008 and any asshole can overcomplicate something.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And it's the mark of a true professional and I am a true professional to be able to distill stuff down and when we can implement the basics a nighttime routine to make sure that we sleep well. That's why I'm the blue light police, for my friends, yes, who will be here in this room? Yeah, A nighttime routine, starting your day off with your mind pointed at the right things moving your body daily, getting some resistance, training in walking daily and the basic basics we were talking about how we've become disconnected. Getting our feet barefoot on the earth. Yes, Getting some sun every single day.

Speaker 1:

We're gonna get to do that tomorrow morning, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2:

Yes, Getting our breath down in our belly and leaving it there. Guys, if you're doing breath work one time a week or one time a day, and then you get down and you're like, oh man, I need to do breath work again Now, just make your life a breath work session.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's magic. And of course we're on the Get in Lifted show. It starts with the story. It starts and ends and continues the hero's journey with the story in our head and in our heart and stored in our tissue.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely 1000% agree. Well, that's a strong finish. I love that Dave's been here hanging out being as quiet as possible, Looking dapper.

Speaker 2:

Thank you yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, here, here Say hi.

Speaker 2:

What's up gang?

Speaker 1:

Talk to you very soon. We are doing this back to back solo shows and we did Chase first and then now Dave's up. We're celebrating Dave's 1000th coaching session.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, for sure I need you to take like a year off so I can come catch you. It's already in 2030. Oh my.

Speaker 1:

God, we're trying to the bounce, oh man. Well, all right guys, we're gonna take a little break. Well, this will be the end of the show for you. You can come back next week and get Dave cliffhanger. Dun, dun, dun. We're gonna take a break and then we'll be back again soon for round two.

Speaker 2:

It's a better cliffhanger than Netflix.

Speaker 1:

Chase. How do the people get in touch with you?

Speaker 2:

I'll come to you no.

Speaker 1:

I'll find you in your thoughts and your dreams.

Speaker 2:

On a real note, though, instagram's the easiest spot At coach, underscore, chase, underscore, tallison. Please, please, please, whatever questions you got, fire them off. First call is on the house, because if it only takes one, it only takes one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I will say from a perspective of, even if you're looking like, whether you wanna work with Chase, you wanna learn from Chase. Absolutely follow him, because you're going to learn something, whether it's about, like I mentioned when we're talking earlier, about the consistency in your branding and how you show up the authenticity, the like this is, if you enjoy listening to him on this show and you've heard enough and you have yet to like go actually stalk him and find him on Instagram and follow along me, or Dave, for that matter, any of us like we want to build relationships with you guys, and this is not so much like this isn't a pitch for our services, this is a hey, we wanna connect 100%. And if we can help you, we would love to.

Speaker 2:

That's. I have covered like very few of my conversations. Turned into hey, do you wanna be a client? It's like I like connecting with people. Yeah, I love, love sharing conversations.

Speaker 1:

He's always looking for great guests on his podcast. That too.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and yeah, all of it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and so find us, chat with us and you know, if you wanna dive deeper, go check out the Pyramoman podcast. Pyramoman podcast you got all the ways to find us and we appreciate you listening and following up.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I'll give myself a pat on the back that early days of me being in the community you were like guys use chase, or look at Chase's stuff. He has his feet is dialed in and it's. We've only dialed it up since then. Yeah, You're true, True.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's like one of the things I'll say this is a one closing thing is this like I love how much you, how much pride you have in your work and what you do, and how much like that comes through in the confidence in how you speak about yourself and how you own it, because so many people like would really struggle to do that and then other people would look at it and think it's ego and it's like no, this is accurate about how I believe about myself and I know I can follow through on it and I've done the work to own this in a way that is, I can confidently speak it without feeling like I don't believe it or that it's coming from a place of like this big headed thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I know that other people have other ways to do it. You know, shout out Eric Blackwell. He sent me a message last year. He's like dude. One of the things I love about you is that you are confident in who you are and what you believe, and you're also open to hearing other people's takes on things.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely yeah. Whatever which way you're gonna live your life to make the best for you. I'm a big advocate of, and I think that people could use a lot more of the ownership and pride in themselves than what we currently see and experience from a lot, so that's why I coach the way I coach?

Speaker 2:

because the basics will provide that Exactly so refreshing.

Speaker 1:

Okay, bye, for real.

Speaker 2:

Bye for real, until the next time.

Speaker 1:

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