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Ep. 77: Redefining Medicin and Exploring Mushrooms for Wellness & HPV with Mimi Lindquist

November 08, 2023 Mimi Lindquist, Kimberly Kesting Season 2 Episode 77
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Ep. 77: Redefining Medicin and Exploring Mushrooms for Wellness & HPV with Mimi Lindquist
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Have you ever wondered how some mushrooms could potentially change your life?  Today we're discussing it all with the mushroom queen, Mimi Lindquist. Join us as we dive in on discussing the health and wellness podcasting community, and the oft-overlooked subject of women diagnosed with HPV, the stories we face around health & wellness, and the need for safe spaces to discuss sensitive topics.

In this episode:

  • What is AHCC and how remarkable potential in supporting our bodies, particularly in clearing HPV.
  • The complex connection between physical, mental, and emotional health and the importance of balance in our wellness journey.
  • Insights into the world of psychedelics and AI, and how they impact our lives.
  • How you can redefine your understanding of health and wellbeing with the support of community and holistic practitioners. 

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Speaker 1:

Get control of your words, get control of your story, get control of your breath, get over your fear of not being good enough, get your dream clients, get them results and get in lifted. Guys, I'm here with the mushroom queen. Hello, hello, mimi, welcome to Get in Lifted. We are in sunny Coronado and we're hanging out in her podcast studio. We're just fighting over who is going to press record. We were duking it out. She gave me the honors because I'm in charge today. So we talk about a thing called a hot open, which I'm going to tell you a story. That is how the universe, just like plants, seeds around and things happen. So, of course, it starts with Mark England and Ryan Sprague. So we had Mark's birthday party at his family's farm and Ryan and Rachel came out and a bunch of other friends came out. We had a blast. After the party, mark cleans up the house, the whole thing. About a week later, he comes to my house and he hands me a bottle of your AHCC and he's like I was like what's this? And he says to me he's like I don't know, sprague left it here, but I can't trust anything that guy gives me, so you deal with it. And I said okay, and I looked at it and I like recognized the logo and I was like I think that's Mimi and Chase who I just got introduced to. It was like okay, interesting. But the backstory is the reason why Mark won't trust anything that Ryan gives him is because Ryan also left a bottle of GID talks supplements which were not GID talks supplements. It was in fact capsules of psilocybin. So Mark unknowingly takes a couple of them in the beginning of his work day on. All of a sudden, you know 30 minutes in, he starts to feel what he's like. That wasn't a GID talks, my gosh that is hilarious dude.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh, I love that.

Speaker 1:

He had to cancel some sessions and class and all these things. He's like yeah, I just like went with it and it was beautiful and it was perfect. I was like, okay, great. So then when he sees, he sees another something that's obviously identified as a mushroom supplement, he's like I'm not touching it. I was like, mark, this is sealed. He's like you deal with it. I was like okay. So then I immediately was like I think this is them. So I look it up and I see you and I find I'm like, oh, that's so funny. And then it was not long after that that we connected and recorded for your show and I just like cracking up in the back of my head because I'm like, of course, that's, you know, around the timing of when we, when we get connected and introduced, I'm like, oh well, the supplement has just shown up at my house.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's so funny. It's such a small world, this niche health and wellness podcasting community, even though we're not even in the same state. You know it's, it's actually I love it. Honestly. It's something that Chase and I ruminate over and just gush over how much we love our community of people who are not even necessarily in our town or city or state even, but it was something that was sorely missing in our part, one of our relationship, and now having it like to the level of which I couldn't even have hoped or dreamed for, like it's surpassed, that has been such a blessing and it's one of the things I love most about my life is this wonderful community and every conversation. Whether we are hosting someone on our podcast or vice versa, we go on someone else's show, it seems to just slowly be getting bigger and bigger and more beautiful and comprehensive and everything. And it's like if we have an ailment or this or we need help with that or we have a question about this, like we have someone in our community that we can be like you know we should. We should talk to Ryan about that, or we should, you know, talk to Paul, check, or whoever in that community, and it's man. It's a blessing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I completely agree Because we've we were talking about this before recording and just like how the bubble expands out and you know, in a lot of ways too, it's fun to meet people through other friends and to be introduced and to build the network that way and to be able to build impactful businesses and companies and boost the health of the world, boost the quality of life of people out there that are listening to us on our respective shows or that hear us on another show or however. However the, however the end user will call them, the customer finds people is um and a coach or a supplement they love, or uh, like your upcoming course we're talking about. Well, definitely get into that and supporting women being able to use your network in that way. Because you know, let's face it, like if I just Google the answer to something, this is actually a great segue into what you're doing now with HPV, right, like if I test positive for HPV and I Google, what do I do? Like there's no answers for me.

Speaker 2:

No, there's a pain point that I hear too often, so often that my heart continues to break, and I've heard these unfortunate stories from women probably in the thousands now um of women who get diagnosed with HPV and uh are not receiving education, support, any sort of guidance from their practitioner. Usually that's a gynecologist, sometimes it can be a midwife or nurse practitioner, which might be a little bit different of an experience. But most people 95 plus percent of people are seeing their gynecologist and getting this news and then it's like WTF, like what am I supposed to do from here? And that's where the guidance ends it. Usually, you know, they hear something like just come back in six months or a year and we'll retest you. Well, that's a long time for her to be worrying about this thing and wondering if there's something that she can do to take more ownership of her health experience and expression. And unfortunately, dr Google can be really alarming. You know, um, I won't get into super deep on that right now, but I mean we've all gone to WebMD for something and it's like. I saw a meme the other day that was like it was actually a T-shirt that someone was selling on the internet, which I just love the internet sometimes it's just hilarious, but it's like you know, webmd says I'm already dead. You know it's just like. Yeah, anything. All that to say, the internet can be Dr, google can be in an alarming place, and what we're trying to do is create a safe space where people can receive top tier education, support and guidance for this very sensitive topic.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of the you know having I agree with you in the sense of the network being the most it's one of my most cherished and valued things, because when I, when I have a problem that I understand that the mainstream is not going to be able to appropriately address for me, I don't even I don't even think to do that anymore. I just go to who's the person that I know or how can I get connected with somebody who I trust and know and maybe I don't know them personally, but I have some aspect of connection to them through a podcast or through Instagram and then I can say how, okay, lead me down the trail of breadcrumbs to the person who can actually solve this problem for me. That is in alignment with my values. How did you get started in supporting women with HPV?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so this started way back in about 2018 when I was still practicing dental hygiene. So I'm a I don't practice clinically anymore, but that's where my degree lies is dental health science and absolutely loved being a dental hygienist. The part that I connected with most although it's very gratifying to have a patient sit in your chair and have them leave with sparkly clean teeth like the actual logistics of cleaning teeth is really fun for me and the part that I connected most with was building rapport with this person and empowering them in their own radical responsibility, radical ownership of their health. And you know I was focused mostly on dental health, oral health, obviously, but as I explained to every one of my patients, the oral cavity is the gateway, is the opening to the rest of the body, and I was like wall, you know, separating your mouth from the rest of your body. So, like honestly, like I could look at someone's dental health and get a really good picture of what probably the rest of their health looked like. And because I was going over every single health history with every single patient, you know, a lot of times I was like spot on. And so this, this conversation around HPV, started when I was a dental hygienist. Because I was doing medical history updates with every single patient. I was seeing that HPV is something that a lot of women deal with. And then we also had a patient, a woman in probably her mid to late fifties, who got diagnosed with HPV and her naturopath recommended this quote unquote mushroom, she said, to help clear this HPV virus. And it worked. And I was blown away. I was like what is this thing? At this point in my own health journey I was learning about medicinal mushrooms you know, the usual suspects of Rashi Chaga, Cordyceps, Lion's mane, you know and so this piqued my interest. I was like this mushroom, I got to look this up. So I dove into Dr Google, I dove into the research and saw immediately like holy crap, there's a whole research association in alignment with this or behind this quote unquote medicinal mushroom product. And so I just went down the fricking rabbit hole, and I'm still in the rabbit hole six years later, as I've been teaching about this, this product, AHCC active hexose correlated compound for, yeah, about six years now, because once I really dug in and saw how beneficial this thing was, I was like I can't not share about this. So I started sharing with patients when I was still a dental hygienist, and then my own journey led me out of dental hygiene and more into the space of teaching people about medicinal mushrooms. And then that led into in 2019, I attended the International Congress on Nutrition and Integrative Medicine in Japan, where this was like a red carpet event for me, where all the different researchers and physicians from all over the world who are currently studying AHCC got together and we're presenting their clinical research, their clinical findings, and one study really stood out to me from that two days of packed clinical research, and it was a woman, Dr Judith Smith, out of Texas, who had preliminary results from this phase two double blinded placebo controlled trial the gold standard, if you will, on HPV and what they were monitoring was how AHCC supported the eradication of high risk HPV, meaning the HPV strains that can lead to cervical cancer and they were studying this and saw just outstanding results. And I came back from Japan with my jaw on the floor, basically, and just like I have to continue to share about this. So I did. I continued to share about it on my Instagram and, you know, got on some big shows. After these big shows of me, you know, mentioning that it's helpful for HPV, I would get droves and droves of women who were like, hey, I heard you on so-and-so's podcast, you know, tell me more about this thing. So I was like, holy crap, there's even more of a need than I realized, than I thought. And then, you know, going back to these heartbreaking stories that I was hearing from women feeling shamed from their gynecologist, from their doctor, feeling shamed for not always using condoms with their boyfriend, or feeling shame from their partner, you know, in relaying that they have this HPV diagnosis and they're getting judged and guilted and shamed by their partner. And then, on top of that, they're receiving no guidance and no support on the actual clearance of this virus. And you know, you listen to a hundred or you know more stories like that and it really just cemented in me like this is a space, like a white space of support, and I feel, like certain events of my life have led me to this sort of cross-section where I am able to kind of take up the mantle and support these women in this way and provide a safe space for women to learn about themselves, their body, what's actually going on in their body, and then also, you know, like I said, taking ownership of their experience and not viewing this as an opportunity to stay in victim mindset, rather viewing it as an opportunity to evaluate their lifestyle with curiosity and compassion, every aspect of their lifestyle, and inviting the questions like okay, is what I'm currently doing, supportive of my health journey, Maybe there's little things that we can tweak here and there. And as I started to help women in this area, it was more like a one-on-one scenario for the last four years. I just I was like I don't have enough hours in the day to help every woman that comes to me with HPV, and so about a year ago I teamed up with Dr Nathan Riley, who is, you know of him, he's like my brother. Now I'm convinced we have a sacred contract together, but he is, he's the holistic OBGYN and we were just really fed up with the lack of support and care in the mainstream gynecological model and we're like dude. We have to do something. We have to create something that can help any woman in the world, and so that's what we did. We worked on it the last year and it's like I was telling you before we started like this is like my magnum opus, and I'm just so grateful to now have something that can touch and reach anyone, any woman in the world that wants and needs this support. So my heart is just completely full in getting this, this very big project for me out there, when I've known for so long that nothing like this exists and that the world very much needs it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's like I hearing you talk about that entire journey and your passion for it is like lighting me up, because I think about one of the things I'm really, really, really like. The further down the path that I get, as claiming my health as a woman and understanding my health and well being, my sexuality, how I relate with others, right there's I immediately went back to when I was like I don't know, I was maybe like eight or 10 and getting a Gardasil shot, like that's an HPV vaccine, right. And so it's like well, what do you like? We're getting these as young girls, we're not being educated about what it's actually to prevent or why it could be helpful or how you would even get this virus, and it's just like, oh, shot in the arm just like every other thing, right. And then you go on the rest of your life and it's like, unless you become diagnosed with it, you're not going to hear anything about it, right, there's not like an ongoing conversation around this. There's not like, oh, hey, this is what might happen or could happen. And because we're not really taught like foundationally, we're not taught about how to have healthy sexual relationships and healthy intimacy and remove the layer of shame around that just in general. Now you layer in oh, I've contracted an XDD and it's like, oh, oh, my God, like a topic that's already heavily shamed and secretive is now has a cherry on top. Yeah, yeah, it's like crap. What do I do? And then going to the doctor and trying to get support and not actually being able to address the entire scenario of how I even got here, let alone give me a solution. Yeah, it's wild how little we're educated on this.

Speaker 2:

I know it is. It is absolutely wild and, yeah, I wasn't educated on this either before I realized like, holy crap, I need to, I need to step in here and really start learning about this so I can support women in the best way. You know, four years ago I didn't know anything about HPV, and it's crazy because 80 to 90% of sexually active adults will come into contact with this virus at some point in their lives. 80 to 90%, that's basically everyone. Yet 70% of people over the age of 18 have never even heard of HPV. They don't even. They couldn't even tell you what it's, what it stands for, human papillomavirus like. Maybe they've seen it on a poster at Planned Parenthood or something, or maybe they've seen a headline somewhere, or maybe they've heard of the HPV Gardasil shot, but that's kind of where it ends and it's just wild to me that it affects so many people or has the potential to affect so many people, yet the vast majority have never heard of it. And that's again where it's like, where we have to start at square one with education, and the shame piece that you touched on is massive. It's huge in the conversation around HPV Because, yeah, we already, especially women. I am not here to demonize men or the masculine or anything like that, but it is foolish to not recognize the vast difference in how society impacts a woman's sexual experience versus a man's sexual experience from you know very young ages, in high school and then even like in movies and TV shows, like men are almost like, applauded for, like getting out there and, like you know, being a lady killer or being a, you know, being a player or whatever like. There's not the same level of, I think, stigma with men's sexual experiences and women's sexual experiences. And on top of that, women are the ones that go get pap smears. There is no equivalent of a male pap smear. You know they can go in and get an STD panel run and they can get tested, of course, but HPV is not. The high risk strains are not going to be included. There is no test for men which is which is insane because you know, this is a man's issue to. It's not woman papilloma virus, it's human papilloma virus. We are just the ones that go and get the test done and get this news of yes, or HPV positive, and we then wear that burden of that diagnosis and a lot of women feel very alone in navigating that, even if they do have a boyfriend or a partner or committed you know, committed partner in some way it feels like it's very much on their shoulders because they're the ones that received that positive test. So there's also shame in that as well. I'm not saying that there should be shame because sex is awesome and we all do it like if you're like, I hope.

Speaker 1:

I hope we don't do it.

Speaker 2:

It's awesome and it's part of our biology to want this thing, and so you know. It just like breaks my heart that there is this negative stigma because it's you know it's an infection of the reproductive parts. Why is that infection any different than if you get an infection in your lungs and we call it pneumonia, or an infection in your foot and we call it athletes foot or whatever, like there's not the same level of shame, but because it's tied to something that happens in the sex act mostly, then now there's this layer of shame. Slap dot, which is part of my work, is to help dissolve that shame and that stigma. That is just completely unnecessary in my opinion.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's like I really agree with you on the point that men have a completely different relationship with well one. The societal story around sex is very different for men and women. But then the other thing I think about is how just our biology, how women men don't bond through sex Like women do bond through sex. So when you create up, you have a partner, that then is you're already in a shame, you're potentially early in a shame cycle, or your secretive about your sex, or you're you're not confident and embracing it in a way that is like yeah, this is natural and this is great and this is for my pleasure and I am enjoying it, which I've never met, you know, like a 16 or an 18 year old girl who's ever said that about sex? And you know, it's like the way we're educating young women about how to relate to their bodies, how to relate to their partners, how to engage in sex in a way that's pleasurable for them. Now there's already this common and every year you get older compounds until you unravel it. Yeah, yeah, so women who are engaging in sexual relationships. A lot of times and I can speak from my own experience and some of my girlfriends sex is not the sacred act that we want it to be. It is a way to get and attain attention. It's a way to get. We think that the man's going to bond to us if we sleep with him, which is we're shooting ourselves in the foot, because that's not how it works.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, definitely not always.

Speaker 1:

And the experience of just the origin, of how you're relating to yourself and your partners and how you're trying to navigate that, your relationship with intimacy and sex. And then that has its own collection of stories and that has its own collection of experiences and things that, for any person who is not then going to deal with an HPV positive Test, right, that's already happening over here. Now we come into. Now I have the result. I have a negative result or a positive test a negative result, like a negative outcome of the thing that I'm already kind of like in this dark Corner about, or like keeping behind the curtain, or like closed door about, from a standpoint of education and talking and empowerment, all that. And so now that compounds on top of all those stories, and it's I, you know, I mean things around the longs line of like you know it's dirty, it's gross, nobody's gonna want me, I can't continue to have sex, like all of the things that could happen as a result, like downstream of this, and Not to mention then also the impact that it has on your health. So we have the emotional, psychological component of this, which is huge, and then there's also the Physical component, and then there's the like what are the symptoms of it and how do you experience if you are tested positive?

Speaker 2:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, so there are about a hundred and fifty plus strains of HPV so, and about 40 of them are sexually transmitted. So sometimes you'll see like little kids with like warts on their arms, they're little elbows or their hands or whatever. That's us that could be a strain that they just like picked up at daycare or school or something like that. Not everyone is sexually transmitted, but the ones that are sexually transmitted are bucketed into low risk and high risk categories. So the low risk category of the low risk strains of HPV Will have more physical manifestations like genital warts or benign growths, things like that, which are not like fun to deal with at all, but they're probably very, very, very low risk for leading to something like cancer. So that's why they're considered low risk. The high risk strains, on the other hand, there are no physical manifestations usually of where a woman's just can you know, feel in her body like I mean, maybe if she's super tapped into her body and she is like very dialed in on something, feels different. I would just highly doubt that there's a lot of women out there that could feel something in them, but this manifests as changes on the cervix, so cells on the cervix that become damaged in some way, and If that's left untreated and undiagnosed, unaddressed, and it continues to get worse and worse, those high risk strains can lead to something like cervical cancer that takes a long time to develop, usually decades. So I don't want any woman listening if she's like, oh, I was just diagnosed with a high risk strain, you have time on your side. This is a very slow acting virus, thankfully. But what makes it more dangerous is the fact that women feel isolated and alone and unable to communicate with even their partner, their friends, their family members about this because of the shame aspect. So back to your question of of you know symptoms and things like that. Though low risk strains might have symptoms that Pop up, the high risk strains it's gonna need, you're gonna need to go be screened at your gynecologist and then they will, you know, tell you if you have a Abnormal pap and you're positive for HPV, things like that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it's like I think back to my experiences with, like, a Standard gynecologist and just like how that experience is even traumatic and stressful. And, like you know, I mean not to like turn this into a whole thing, but, like you know, having somebody Inside of you that is not, that is for examination, is not pleasurable and it is not enjoyable and is not comfortable and it's it is. Yeah, it is a difficult thing to experience very vulnerable.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, very vulnerable. You know, yeah, I totally, I totally feel you it's. It's not a fun thing at all. Already it's, you know, traumatic, and then the mainstream sort of quote-unquote solutions that are not actually solutions Can also be very traumatic.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, which. What are those?

Speaker 2:

so the first Non-solution that they might give.

Speaker 1:

I'm calling them non-solutions.

Speaker 2:

I like that the first non-solution that they your gynecologist might give if you test positive is they might say something like okay, come back in six months or a year and we'll retest you, we'll rescreen you. So that's not a that's not a solution, that's a waiting game Because she's not actually giving you anything that you can do on your end. It's just like no, just come back. The gynecologist is likely Diagnosing multiple people a day because of how common this is. There are 14 million cases, new cases every year, and currently Some strain of HPV affects 80 million Americans, which is a lot. So to the gynecologist it might not be a big deal. So a lot of times I'll hear from women like my gynecologist or my doctor was like Super chill about it, super nonchalant, which you don't want your doctor to be frantic, right, like that's not, that's not what they're looking for.

Speaker 1:

But you want them to be paying attention to right, care for you right.

Speaker 2:

Exactly you want to. You want them to feel like they're invested in your well-being, and that requires empathy and compassion, not just like, okay, your positive, come back in six months. So that's the first non-solution. The second non-solution might be what they call a Culposcopy, or might even lead to a a leap procedure. So the Culposcopy is a diagnostic procedure where they're going in with a speculum and taking out it's like a biopsy. They're taking out bits of your cervix to then go, you know, send to the pathologist and look under a microscope to see how to see the level of severity that this, the cervical dysplasia, what it's at basically. So that's the diagnostic tool that you know isn't a solution, it's just more of more information. Basically, the leap procedure is is stands for loop electro surgical Excision procedure.

Speaker 1:

I saw this video on Nathan's Instagram yesterday. Yeah, it's, it's brutal.

Speaker 2:

It's like medieval shit. It is beyond, it's medieval. Basically, they've recognized Okay, this woman has some abnormal Cell changes on her cervix and this HPV is not going away for one, two, three years. Whatever, it is, okay, we'll go in and remove the portion of the cervix that has these damaged tissues. So Just me taking a breath of stress. So they literally take like a hot wire a hot wire and Basically melt off part of the cervix that is damaged. Yes, it can remove that manifestation of disease, but it's not actually addressing the inner world, it's not addressing anything with the lifestyle, and so sometimes that cervical dysplasia can come back after a leap procedure and besides that there's all sorts of potential complications that can happen with when you're cutting off any part of the body. You know, I talked to a woman just recently where she one of the blood vessels didn't clot properly and so she almost bled out.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2:

You can also get scar tissue on your cervix which can Inhibit the proper opening of the cervix during, like birth and labor. So another one of my friends almost bled out because her cervix was not opening in the right way. She had to be, you know, whisked away to the hospital in sort of an emergency situation Because her midwife didn't. She kind of forgot about it. The patient, the client, she, my friend, kind of forgot about it that she had this procedure and she didn't think to bring it up and the midwife didn't for whatever reason, didn't ask about it or whatever. And so they were like in real time dealing with this and realizing like, oh shit, it's because you have scar tissue on your cervix. You know, aside from those issues when you have surgery like I had surgery on my knee In high school and to this day it's still numb where they where I had surgery, and that happens Oftentimes with any type of surgery where they stitch you back up. It might not be absolute perfection and I talked to a woman just last week where she said that she was numb. Her cervix was numb for Two, three years after this procedure, which any woman knows like. If you've had a cervical orgasm, you know how intimately involved the cervix is in the sexual experience and that's not necessarily information that they're getting on the on the on the front end of this Diagnosis or this recommendation for this procedure. I'm not saying that if, if a woman's listening out there and you've had a leap, that there's anything wrong necessarily with that, and I encourage every woman should go ahead with whatever Treatment options she feels are right for her. I would never try and convince someone out of this. My job now as an HPV educator is to inform women that there might be other options that you maybe haven't looked into, that Maybe we can dive into. Maybe we can look at these less invasive really non-invasive Options for you before you jump to a procedure that could have downstream negative impacts on your sexual health, your reproductive health and just like I mean you're cutting away a portion of the body.

Speaker 1:

You're cutting away the portal to God. Yeah, you know, like it's quite literally like the cervix is the portal in from which babies pass through, like this is the portal to the Boom. It's like yeah, it's a massive pleasure center for us. It's like an experience that, thinking about what the I Got a kind of rewind it back a little bit here because I'm getting. I didn't expect we were gonna talk this much about this Cuz. I but now that we're talking like shit, I need to know this, all the ladies need to know this, and the men need to know it too. But I'm thinking about, you know, from a standpoint of how disconnected we are as women from our body, from our womb space, from our cervix. It really does go back to the layer of education when we're young, and it goes back to the shame stories around sex, and it goes like this as we age as women and we become more like, hey, I should enjoy sex too, or hey, I actually have desires that aren't being met, or what's possible through my body, like we are beings of pleasure, like we are vessels of pleasure, and to be able to, you know, step one, to be able to connect to that, which is something that, like you know, is never taught until you start to seek it out but then also recognizing that there's all of these obstacles that could be in the way Just purely based on the fact that we weren't educated about our general health and well-being around our reproductive space to begin with. And so what I get fired up about and what I get like upset about is like, why has no one ever told us this?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and why has?

Speaker 1:

like you know, like why has no one ever educated me on this? Like, I mean, I'm not. I just now starting to learn about the process of birth through watching friends and my Sister-in-law and through people, the women in my life that are giving birth. Not because somebody taught me about it when I was Young or taught me about the expectations of what it, what it, what is the, the experience of being a woman in that way, and I really I really empathize a lot with women who have been left in the dark on this, and Because I'm one of them and, as far as I know, I don't have HPV. But you know, it's like realistically, it's like I could be this girl, I could be the one who walks into the office and gets that positive test and then what right and what would that? I can put myself in that place and I can, like my heart breaks immediately Hearing through what you're talking about, the experience and realizing how little you know.

Speaker 2:

I've had other experiences at the gynecologist that were very low support, and so I can understand that what this would be Similar and how that could impact me and how it could impact my partner and how it could impact the way I view myself and how it could impact my pleasure for the rest of my life potentially right or my ability to bear children, and it's yeah, it's, huge and yeah yeah, I mean, you're, you're hitting, you're hitting the nail on the head and this is why you know, once you get into this, you know research and digging in and looking at the numbers of how common this is and the massive Void of education and support. This is why I've leaned into this, because you know, I heard somewhere, I can't remember where, but it's like if you're trying to figure out what your purpose in life is, think about what breaks your heart. What breaks your heart, and this is one of those things that absolutely breaks my heart. Yeah, same like. I don't think I've ever, I've never gotten a positive result. I don't think I've ever dealt with this, but certainly my body's probably come into contact with it at some point and maybe it's. I've been one of the lucky ones that have just been able to clear it with with no problem. That's great, but yeah, there are plenty of women that are not able to clear it Effectively or quickly and they're just, they're left in the dust and the the last non-solution.

Speaker 1:

I didn't, I didn't realize I didn't get to this.

Speaker 2:

The last non-solution is the HPV vaccine so okay, that was another question.

Speaker 1:

I okay, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So oftentimes I've heard this isn't everyone, but this is it's enough women to for me to Point it out and to speak to it. So when a woman receives that positive result, oftentimes her gynecologist will recommend the vaccine for her, because I've heard from doctors that they want their patient to feel like they're doing something or they want to potentially prevent other strains in the future. But on the CDC website, on the main HPV page, it says verbatim this vaccine will not clear an existing HPV infection. So in my mind I'm thinking okay, this body, for whatever reason, is not able to clear this virus. Obviously their stress buckets are quite full, possibly spilling over, otherwise she would have been able to clear this virus. We're in contact with 10 to the 31 viruses every day in the air, water, soil, everything in our bloodstream. If the body is not able to clear it, there's some level of immune dysfunction. And in my opinion and many others, the last thing that a body needs, when it's already overstressed, overstressed, overtaxed and overwhelmed, is a hefty dose of aluminum, which is one of the most toxic substances on the planet. I mean there was a whole trend of women waking up to the fact that their deodorant had aluminum in it, and you probably heard, saw all that on social media aluminum-free deodorant, natural deodorant we become privy to these things Like, oh, I don't want to put aluminum under my arms. That's really close to my lymph nodes and my breasts and everything. And it's like, well, why the hell are we injecting this into the body when it's already stressed and overtaxed? It makes zero sense to me. And aside from that, just all the issues with this shot in general the negative side effects, the lack of follow-up with patients in the clinical trials, like there is a whole slew of information, like I got books if people want to really dive into all of the issues with this vaccine. I won't get into them now because it could be a whole podcast, but that's the third non-solution that they give, which is again heartbreaking.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, I'm thinking about. I distinctly remember getting that shot and I think it was two shots actually it's from my Two or three. Yeah, I was going to say I remember the experience and I remember being clueless and also I mean I'm a kid, yeah, yeah. But I'm curious, like, is that actually effective in any capacity? For? Like, why are we giving it to young girls? It doesn't work.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, there's debate honestly, because the clinical trials that tested this vaccine do show that it helps to create antibodies in the person's body for the HPV vaccine or, excuse me, for the HPV strains, like Gardasil 9 is supposedly protecting against nine different strains of HPV and the clinical data will say one thing. But I mean, over 50% of the women who were coming to me who are HPV positive did get the vaccine. Yeah, so if it worked wonders, why is this still such a major issue and why has it not put a dent in cervical cancer rates? Because that was the promise that was the whole campaign was be one less. Meaning be one less woman who gets cervical cancer, but we haven't seen that. We haven't seen major public health initiatives change in that way. So there might be a positive antibody response, but also there's so much more to the magic and intelligence of the body in the immune system than just whether antibodies are present or not. We have to look at the whole thing as a holistic being. Like are you, is there some level of dysfunction somewhere else? The immune system is really complicated. It's not just about antibodies. As we've seen the last three years. Just because you get a certain response in one trial on rats or whatever doesn't mean that it's going to play out in humans to perfection, and so I'm really honestly if you can't tell, I'm very skeptical of the overall benefits. Also, there's research to show that it is effective for five years in the body. So if you're giving this to a nine-year-old girl and she's you know most girls, I would say the majority of women are not sexually active until, like I don't know, probably 17, 18, 19, like that seems like a normal age to start engaging in sexual activity. Is it still even effective in the body after those five years? We don't really know. Yeah, there's so many issues with this vaccine girl so wild.

Speaker 1:

yeah, well, I mean, there's so many issues in general around how we're approaching healthcare and education and the understanding of you know this. What I think about is like yeah, this is a specific scenario, specific virus, specific problem that you solve and this is a greater problem across everything within how we relate to our bodies, how we understand its innate intelligence, how we fuel it, how we support it, how we nurture it, how we reduce our stress. All of that, all of that conversation that happens once you realize like, oh, okay, and that's, you know, the take a shot or take a pill is not actually resolving the root cause or is not resolving or is not creating an environment of health. It's just treatment of one thing, and maybe it's going to work or maybe it isn't. And so when we've been conditioned as a society to look for those solutions, the easy way out, the somebody else is going to outsource my agency to solve my own problem, or I don't, even I don't dare to ask the questions about my body and my response and how it's going to impact me. And then we've been trained into that for so long and it's it's what is popular, but it's not effective.

Speaker 2:

And then.

Speaker 1:

And then you're left with the questions of why or how, or why isn't this working? And you think you're the only one, because it seems like there's this whole collective story that it's be. Other people are having their problems solved that way.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, it's, it's unfortunately. You know, the answers in life do not come in a quick fix pop a pill, get a shot, drink a skinny tea. You know, but it's just not the reality. And we were talking, you know, before we pushed record about consistency and moderation and the free things that we can all lean into, that support our health, that oftentimes get overlooked because they are simple, because they are free, and I think oftentimes in our consumer driven society, maybe we're trained that way from a young age to look for something to push purchase on, push buy on, rather than like getting still and asking our soul or asking our intuition, like you know. What's the next best step for me here? What would really support me here? Is it buying this skinny tea or is it learning how my body responds to whole food, nutrition and functional movement?

Speaker 1:

You know, yeah, yeah it's well, I mean that's. I think a lot of people listening to this podcast will relate to this part of our conversation. They probably, if you're like me, like mind blown from the first part. The second part is like the experience of realizing, like once you get through the door of usually one avenue that opens up the door, that you realize that oh, wow, this. There's something different happening, happening here than what the narrative has told me my entire life or what the story has been for a long time. And when you get, you know, when we start in the land of the physical body, whether that's getting healthy through working out or eating better food or drinking better water or going for regular walks and then you start to realize the downstream effects of that being out in nature right Now. All of a sudden your mind is clear. All of a sudden your pooping better. All of a sudden you realize you're smiling more. You know like guys want to talk to you more.

Speaker 2:

And then all of a sudden they're happier too.

Speaker 1:

It's like this whole like there's, there's this experience that that we all in the modern world have become so numb to and so removed from the basic, fundamental things of what it is to be a human and how humans relate and how humans are healthy and optimal. Because of convenience, because of ease, because of just like the result, like you know, it's like we live so in our heads and so in our boxes of phones and computers and screens everywhere. And you know, it's like I was in LA yesterday and I'm sorry, just yeah, literally. Thank you, thank you, so like I.

Speaker 2:

So this morning, sorry if you live in LA, no, I okay, I'm not trying to offend people, but every honestly, every time I go to LA, I'm like more and more grateful for San Diego.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, that's how I felt when I was coming back today. I was like, oh my god, thank god. And even then I think about how grateful I am going to be to go back to Virginia, which is a whole other experience, right. And I'm like I lived in New York City for almost 10 years, so like, trust me, I don't have anything again. I well, I do have things against cities now, but like LA was particularly zombie ish and was screens everywhere and lights everywhere, and just so I was like what, where am I Get me out? I hate it here. Like, but yeah, that's what I mean, that's what. There's so many people living like that that it's really tough to pull them into. Then say, oh, you here, take this mushroom supplement. And they're like, oh, you know, like, maybe, maybe, maybe they're, maybe they're willing to like have and try something different, but or maybe they're willing to take the, take the supplement but not take the walk right. Or like, take a supplement but not take deep breaths, like I don't know, it's such a tough place to meet people with, but once they, once they arrive there for themselves, the only thing that happens is more doors open. Yeah, yeah the curiosity will lead you down the path. You'll find more things that all of a sudden becomes more obvious, and find more people, and then you're like oh which then you also have to monitor and reflect on.

Speaker 2:

Like am I now putting too much of my energy? Trying to be perfect in every way, trying? To be so healthy in every single way orthorexia yeah trying to do everything perfectly. You know, I was, I was here, you know, years ago. But yeah, you mentioned orthorexia. It's like doing healthy habits to such an extreme degree, such that they become unhealthy and actually detrimental to your health. And it's not a difficult path to go down on accident. Yeah, because you start that snowball of like, oh, I changed one thing and I felt so much better and I saw this result. That's awesome. What if I do this over here and this over here and this over here? I live that way. I constantly am trying to reflect on like, how can I be 1% better today? But also I need to have the days where I'm like, yo, I'm good, I'm good today, I am confident in my body's intelligence, and I'm going to take today and just take a sigh of relief and fill up my entire body with gratitude for where I've been and how I've evolved and how I've grown over the last few years, and I'm just going to sit in that gratitude and I'm not going to do anything different or magical or, you know, influencer worthy today. I'm just going to sit in that, the magic of what I've created up until this point. And I think we need that, that healthy gas and break, you know, to kind of just realize and recognize like that, you know we're not. We're not just imperfect beings that need to be fixed and dissected all the time, because that can lead to everything that I just everything that I just said. It's like it becomes almost a drug where it's like what next? What next can I fix what?

Speaker 1:

next Can I work on.

Speaker 2:

And I've definitely been there, yeah, and it helps to have a partner who has felt that way from time to time and we have a lot of the same health values and we enjoy a lot of the same things and we can talk about it and we can also recognize in each other, when we're getting too far down, that like hey, hey, my love, like we're good, you know, like we can sort of gently and lovingly remind each other of like we're good, we're really good. Yeah, and there's always going to be things that we can work on, but today we're good.

Speaker 1:

Well it's. This is like the perfect combination of what the uplifted work is right, getting clear on the story, getting clear on being able to stay in that down regulated state, because the internal dialogue right, like if you're obsessing over what is the most the healthiest thing or what is the most like the if you're obsessed over how to reduce your stress, you're probably still stressed you know. So it's like in the stress looks different, or you experience it differently because you're experiencing it in your internal dialogue, or you're experiencing it in how perfect everything has to be all the time, or how it has to fit this exact thing. And I can never eat a non organic apple because I'll die.

Speaker 2:

Like it's like, no, like you know, it's okay.

Speaker 1:

Like, if the choice is a non organic apple and, like you know, french fries, what are you gonna pick? Like you know, maybe you choose not to eat anything. That's fine, but like, at some point in time, like we are in a world where you are going to interact with things that are going to be a little less than ideal until maybe you can get yourself into a place where you can live in a fairyland, out in a homestead in the woods and, like you know, like hashtag goals. Yeah, literally like we'll all be there at some point. It's like coming out. But you know like the experience is like we, the human body is so resilient. So I want to actually bring this back, that point back right about being able to clear HPV naturally, and then talk to us about a HCC supplement that you that you're using to help support that. Because it is like the human body is incredibly resilient and it's an. It is innately intelligent and has the ability to do a lot of these things on its own, without any intervention or with minimal intervention. So, what are you guys? What solutions are you? Bringing to the to this conversation. That's different from the non solutions that we yeah yeah, many.

Speaker 2:

I did want to touch on one thing that you from a few minutes ago this conversation around being healthy to perfection and this is this ties back to HPV, because a lot of the women that I speak to, they say something like I don't understand, I don't know how this happened to me. I thought I was so healthy. And then they, you know, go through the list of things that they've been doing the last few years. Like dude, I do orange theory every day.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I've been a vegan for 10 years, yep, I, you know like they list off these things that in their mind are quote unquote so healthy. And this is where it's really helpful to have someone who is totally unbiased to your situation and can reflect back to you like sort of this zoomed out approach on these things of moderation and consistency and not too much and not too little. Balance is the key here. And so you know, the body is constantly trying to get back into balance, it's trying to find that homeostasis and it wants to be healthy, it wants to heal and it knows how to. But sometimes the routines and the habits that we get into get to that point where it's not in balance. It's a little too much or it's a little too, it's not not enough. And so that's where we start is looking at, like, okay, these certain aspects of your life and your lifestyle. How can we tweak just a little bit to find that middle ground, to find that balance? Are you someone that has a tendency to over exercise or are you someone who has a tendency to be exercise resistant? Find yourself in there with curiosity and compassion, and how can we adjust just a little bit to find that more middle ground. So every aspect of lifestyle. That's what our goal is is to find that balance, but specifically touching on the HCC. So HCC stands for Active Hexos Correlated Compound and it's not a mushroom in and of itself but it comes from, it's derived from, shiitake mushrooms, specifically the mycelia, the root like structure, of the fungal organism. And the mycelia, you know, we call it like a root, like structure, but it behaves more like the neural network and the immune system of the whole fungal organism. So this is a very, very potent and intelligent portion of the mushroom in nature. When you walk into, walk in a forest, the ground that you're walking on is millions and millions and millions of miles of filamental mycelia. They literally mycelia literally makes up our earth and it's constantly in nature sending nutrients and information to surrounding trees and plants and flowers and other fungal organisms. And so it is very, very intelligent. That intelligence of mushrooms in general, but specifically the mycelial product HCC, blends very nicely with the intelligence of our human body. You talk to someone like Paul Stamets who's an OG in the mushroom education space. You've heard of him, I'm sure, yeah, you know. You know, paul, he would, he educates and he would say that actually fungal fungi and humans actually evolved from the same super kingdom. So that's why our DNA is actually pretty close, like we're closer in DNA to mushrooms than we are to, than they are to like plants, for instance. And so this, this intelligence and I don't pretend to have all of the answers of, of how this intelligence actually works in the body, I think I would be foolish to tell you otherwise but what we do find clinically when people study HCC is that it is very, very supportive to the, the entire physiology and it has a myriad of mechanisms of action, basically benefits that people see clinically. So there's clinical research on everything from cancer to advanced liver disease, to medication resistant epilepsy, to, obviously, hpv, which we'll talk about, to skin issues, to autoimmune disorders. So it's not in and of itself an HPV supplement quote unquote but it is really effective for people who are dealing with something like HPV, because what it's doing, one of the mechanisms of action, is to amplify the existing magical innate intelligence of the body. So it's increasing the specific immune cells that can target, that can recognize and neutralize viral replication or mutated cells like cancer cells. So it's increasing this, what we call immune surveillance your body's ability to survey what's going on and then respond effectively. So it's increasing that innate intelligence that exists already in our body all the time. If you cut your arm or cut your finger slicing vegetables, you don't have to do anything Maybe besides put a bandaid on it and you know, and baby it a little bit for the next week and your skin grows back together like nothing happened. That intelligence exists everywhere in the body. The cervix is no different. So what are those things that we can remove from the environment that maybe are not so helpful, like over exercising or like eating fast food five times a week? And removing those things and adding in the things that are really beneficial, something like a HCC which has been clinically demonstrated to support the body in eradicating HPV. The most recent study that I mentioned earlier in our conversation from Dr Judith Smith out of Texas when this was published it was it was last year is published in Frontiers on Oncology and what they found in their study. They were looking at 50 women with high risk HPV and they gave these women HCC every day for six months and they had a true placebo group that was just receiving an inert sugar pill, basically, and then the other. The test group was receiving three grams of HCC per day, which is the therapeutic dose, and after six months, over 64% of the women in the test group receiving HCC were cleared of their HPV. Now, when you compare that to the placebo group, which is important, only two of the women of the 19 women were able to clear their HPV without HCC. So that is a which is equal to about 10%. So 10% compared to 64% is a clinically and statistically significant difference, and so with no negative side effects, mind you. That is astounding that something like this that is natural, from the earth yes, it's cultured in a lab type environment because they want that potency, they want that efficacy to be top notch but it is from the earth, it is from mother nature mushrooms and the fact that it has zero negative side effects is just like amazing. So that's what we see clinically with HCC and HPV specifically.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's like it's fascinating to me to think about how the simplicity, but also the complexity of it because it's not in, like you said, it's not in, it's not a HPV supplement, but it's. If you have this, this is going likely is going to help you clear it. What other things is this going to address and help and support? If you're not, if you're not HPV positive, or just in general, what could this do for the body on its own?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I take it every day. I take two capsules every single day, without fail, because I want my NK cells, my natural killer cells, which are those specific immune cells that I was talking about. One of them. I want those optimal year round. You know, we found over the last three and a half years or so how important immune health is year round, not just for cold and flu season, but for everything. Again, it's increasing that immune surveillance, and so I want those cells high so that those mutated cancer cells that inevitably exist in my body and your body everyone's body to some degree are able to be dealt with effectively. And so that's one. That's one way that it supports people is just prevention and keeping those NK cells at an optimal point. But so for general health, it's really, really amazing, not only for the immune system, but also it's helping to regulate cortisol, your response to stress in your life. And so what I hear from a lot of people is like, oh my God, I feel so much more balanced and like steady and solid, rather than having these highs and lows of cortisol and adrenaline and, you know, all these things that come in and make us feel like we're up in our chest and we're up in our head. You guys, you know you use the breath which is great, that's a great tool, but there's also benefits with cortisol regulation, with HCC as well. I have heard I've heard it all girl, oh my God like some people will start to take HCC for like autoimmune, like that's what I was going to ask Because, like, is there benefits for autoimmune diseases? Yeah, yeah, Autoimmune diseases there's so many now it's like an umbrella term. There's so many. But you know Crohn's or RA or lupus these instances where again there's some immune dysfunction, because mushrooms in general and HCC specifically are. It's not an immune booster, it's actually an immune modulator. So it has the ability to normalize and modulate the immune system. So that's why it's effective for people who you know have cancer and need that raise in those specific cells, but also for people with autoimmune that actually they need, they need their immune system to calm down a bit. It has this really nice normalizing and regulating ability. So some people will start to take HCC, Like one of my, one of my dear, dear friends I'll keep her anonymous but even though she's shared about HCC on her page publicly so many times. But she, you know, was dealing with Lyme for a really long time, to the point where you know she felt like she had the flu just 24, seven, every day of the year. She started taking HCC in about two weeks she was like noticing, like holy crap, I feel the best I've ever felt in years, Wow. And then she ran out and she forgot to like get more or whatever, and she went, she regressed, she went back and she realized like, oh my God, this thing is really, really helping me and helping my symptoms, helping my body to normalize and not feel the effects of this Lyme in my body. So people will start taking it for something like that. But then I'll hear like hey, I started taking it for my autoimmune. But then I noticed like holy crap, my skin has never been clearer or I'm pooping better.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Or I'm sleeping better, like I mean, I'll speak for Chase and other guys that I've talked to because it's helping to regulate stress in the body. We know you're either making stress hormones or sex hormones, not both, and so guys will tell me, like holy crap, my boner is so much better Sold, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I'm not saying that it's a boner. All of the men who made it to this point in the show that have been still listening are like oh, I'll buy it.

Speaker 2:

I make no claims, I make no promises. Of course there's so many factors that go into hormonal health and libido and sex drive and everything like that, but I would be lying if I said I haven't received those testimonials from men saying like holy crap, this stuff, like I didn't, I wasn't expecting this. But it's definitely balanced me out in a way where my body is responding the way that it should. Yeah, and I could go on and on with those testimonials and stories, but it's great for, honestly, anyone with an immune system.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it sounds like it's. There's no risk to this and there's no reason to not have it right Like there's, it's, it's positive, only the other experience, I think. So much of what to speak to the balance component. We are living again. It's like this world is not very balanced. Everything is an extreme, everything is up or down right or left? Exactly. It's so polarizing in every direction you look, and so the balance and the smooth sailing of like how good things can be is sometimes like that in itself is difficult because it's like oh shit, I actually feel great all the time I'm enjoying this one's the other shoe going to drop, or I'm looking for a peak to kind of like get me a little bit crazy so I can have a response, or whatever. It is right. It's like we can strive for the balance, but when we're in it it's tough, tougher to maintain. And I wonder how much of that is the mental component versus how much of it is the physical component. Right, like the stress cycles that we are, our body is conditioned into. If we can support it to reduce the stress and for the wisdom of the body to create that balance, I'm going to assume that the mental balance is going to follow just based on my own anecdotal evidence of like when my body feels imbalanced, my mind feels very balanced.

Speaker 2:

It's certainly easier.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

It's certainly like sure we could feel good in our body and be going through a really stressful time in our marriage or in our work or in our mental health or whatever Like. But it certainly is definitely easier when you know when it's not compounded by also physical ailments, because if we don't have our health, our physical health, what do we have? You know, like every like that's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Like step one is is my body safe? Do I have shelter? Do I have food? You know, like that those are like that's like step one and I think other you know physical ailments fall into that, aside from just like food and shelter. But like can I get out of bed? You know, with a smile on my face, am I able to engage in a healthy sexual relationship with my partner? Or do I have chronic disease such that it's not even in my mind and now it's affecting my relationships and how I show up in my work and everything like that. It's like we have to have our health or else we don't get to enjoy, you know, much else in life because our mental energy goes to like I got to figure this meat suit out. What's going on with my meat suit?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and or the brain isn't functioning properly.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

It's like, it's like so much on the nervous system and the functioning properly. And we get, like you know, it's a two way. We, you know, coming from this podcast talking as much as we talk about the internal dialogue and the story and how much you can control your mind, it's like a light bulb just went off in my head. I was like, yeah, but that's why we talk so much about physical health, and I don't know if ever like explicitly have said that's people like you can't, you can't if your internal dialogue is a shit show, like, okay, yes, we can help you fix that. But also, what about your physical body? What about your actual physical health? Because to me it's like a prerequisite, it's like so obvious I don't think I ever said it, yeah, but it's. But it's also, like you know, we speak to a lot of health and wellness practitioners and professionals and people in that realm, and so maybe, of course, I think, if you're listening to this, you've also like made the same assumption I made. But it's also worth saying, because it is a matter of like, if my physical body isn't able to operate in that balanced, optimal state, my mental, emotional, spiritual, all of the other things are not going to flow either, and so it's yeah, it's such as such a, but you know.

Speaker 2:

We are holistic beings. You can't separate any, any part of the body, whether it's the psyche or the soul or the physical body, like it's all interwoven and they, they certainly affect and interact with each other. I think, more than we even realize, and, and your guys's work, and certainly the stuff that we talk about, we, we are aware of the, the connection, but I don't know if we'll ever anyone will ever fully understand that intimate connection and how, I don't know. I'm just like I'm in this space where every time I hear a new health expert talking about XYZ, whatever, I'm like in 10 years, this is gonna, this information is gonna change, it's gonna evolve and so that tells me we don't know everything yet, like we have not figured everything out and I will I will be the first person to say like, yeah, I don't have everything figured out, but I'm continually just trying to learn and trying to grow and trying to expand in and also understand that, like none of us have it all figured out, yeah. But I think, you know, I don't know, I think that's part of the game of life, right? Yeah, it is Not the board game, like the game that we're playing.

Speaker 1:

It feels like board games sometimes. Yeah, I think I agree and I would say that, like in the experience of like the deeper that you go down your path of personal development and spiritual development or even purely physical, right, like you, there's so many layers to every single thing and as soon as you think you have, like there's never a black or white yes or no, like there's things that we have we can consistently show are good for us and that when people do it, they all agree they feel better. So, yes, we accept that as like a truth or accept that as like a good practice or something you know. No one's ever going to tell you walking is bad, right. Like that's like you know. There's certain things that are obvious. Then, when we get down into layers of the nuance and the you know, it's like it's a pyramid. At the base of the pyramid is like the most important stuff that we've like consistently, generation after generation after generation, years of evidence show us is beneficial for us. And then there's each little thing that we climb up and they get tighter and tighter to the top and, like we, what we don't know is, exactly, is that there might be a big needle mover that people haven't discovered yet, or that they have not experienced it, or we don't aren't aware that's happening, but it is in fact always been in existence and at play and we just didn't know it. We weren't aware of it. Right, because, like it's not like even and that's true within your own evolution and knowledge. Like you know, it's like I wasn't like. Psychedelics is a great example of this like that was. That was always available to me. That level of consciousness was always available to me, but until I had the direct experience with it through a plant that created a different reality for me, or what I was able to perceive, opened up a gateway for me, that it's not, that that wasn't ever there, effective or true? It's just that I hadn't experienced it yet or I hadn't learned it yet or hadn't integrated yet. So it's like each one of those things like what else is, what else is there? What's going to be the next psychedelic? We don't know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm here for it, though, like we're living in crazy times and you know, we're going to be telling our grandkids stories about, like, oh yeah, we live through the pandemic and we live through the, the misinformation age and yeah you know, we saw the birth of cyborgs.

Speaker 1:

You know, that's what I was thinking this weekend in LA. I was like shit, yeah, this is happening. It's happening quicker than any, than I've realized, and I think that anybody is realizing. I think it's all happening so much faster than I've anticipated.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's exponential. Yeah, and it's yeah because now computers are creating computers and everything with AI, and it just like.

Speaker 1:

Homestead, homestead.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, with all the homies.

Speaker 1:

I know.

Speaker 2:

I know homestead with the homies that's. I know it's like there's beautiful parts to this, all of this like I use AI in my work where I need a quick answer.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I'm talking to chat GPT and I'm taking advantage of it, but like there's also a piece of me that's like a tiny scared. Yeah, yeah, yeah you know what is this? What is this interaction going to look like in 50 years? Are we just, are we going to have like something in our brains that we just like blink three times and we, you know, have the answer and we don't even have to type into Google or even touch a computer, because it's already in our brain? Yeah, yeah, that's wild. It's wild and it's.

Speaker 1:

I really love the human experience, I love the really human pieces of the human experience and so, like anytime these type of stories, like our conversations, like, start to get me like wound up into what is potentially coming. I'm like OK, right here physical body. We're good, I'm going to go put my feet in the grass, like get the sun in my face. Actually, I'm not going to put my feet in the grass, I'm going to put my feet in the sand, because we're in San Diego.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1:

But, yeah, it's such a perfect you know, like the experience of getting into conversations like this like one I love doing it in person, so thank you for hosting me here. Yeah, using your studio space is freaking awesome and being able to like share information that is different than what is handed to you in the brochure, right? Or like the standard textbook, because it's important that it gets out in these channels of podcasting and social media, like can so easily get a bad rap of like oh, there's an influencer saying something and or what research is there, right? Like you debunked a lot of that today. Like you showed up with so much great information and backed up sources and just clearly like your passion and your depth of study and what you're teaching is like came through to me like tenfold. I'm sure our listeners would agree and tell us more about the course that you're putting together, like how people can get access to that and what, what things they can expect to learn and what that looks like going into the future.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I would love to. So this is like my. This is top of mind and top of heart, for sure, for me right now. Our program is called clear and free and it's an eight week online course or program I use those terms interchangeably and we Dr Nathan Riley and myself, so I think I mentioned him already yeah, yeah, okay. So Dr Nathan Riley is a holistic OBGYN and he and I share basically like word for word, verbatim, like health values, and so we came at this with the intention, first with questions of like Okay, how can we empower and educate these women in such a way where they feel fully equipped to evaluate their lifestyle? Not just it's not just like Okay, here's what you need to do to clear HPV? Yes, the entire course is centered around HPV, but we're also we're looking at every person as a holistic being, knowing that every woman who comes into this program needs physical, mental, emotional, relational, which we haven't even really talked about much the relationship support in this conversation around HPV is critical because, again, this woman's getting getting the diagnosis, but if she's in a sexual you know, committed relationship, it affects dude guy too, yeah, or whoever her partner is, yeah, and so the relationship and relational support is really important. And then, on a spiritual level, the shame piece, looking at your beliefs about God, about what you know what this means for you and your inner world, like we look at it all and we do our best to provide support to every woman on every single level. So we, we built this program and it's it's like 90 plus video modules where we're taking you through a new topic every single time, or you know, a topic is broken down into like four or five videos or whatever, and we wanted to make it really bite sized but also very comprehensive so that you can ship away at this and add tools to your tool belt for healing and growth and even just evolution of your entire life. Basically, because the concepts that we teach in this program, yes, they will help you clear HPV faster because, again, we're helping you get into that balance state where your body feels safe enough to heal itself and tap into that innate wisdom. But also, these concepts are the same concepts that are going to help you prevent other major problems, major health issues obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer. I'm not I'm not making claims that this won't affect anyone who comes through this program, but the education is the same, and so, if you're applying these concepts, not only will you be able to celebrate a negative HPV test faster, you'll also be equipped for the rest of your life Understanding you know, recognizing when you get out of balance and the tools that can support you in getting back into balance, such that your body can hopefully live a very long, healthy, disease free life. That's our intention. So, yes, it's an HPV course, but it's really the information is meant to stay with you and stick with you for your entire life. So it's a mixture of, like I said, 90 plus video modules. We have audio exercises, we have PDFs, we have printable like resources, we have journal journal reflection questions. We made customized guided meditations with specific frequencies that tap into certain chakras, so like the sacral chakra, the, the throat chakra, and we we crafted it in a way where it's like tuning into those specific areas and allowing you know, allowing stillness. We talk about pelvic steaming. We talk about, you know, mindset. Of course we talk about relationships, like we really do cover so much in this course, and I'm really, really proud of what we've put together. And I don't say that to like no, we like.

Speaker 1:

we like celebrating ourselves here so you can be proud and you don't have to give it this claim, or you can just say I'm proud of it, I'm very proud, I'm very proud and honestly like working with Dr Nathan Riley.

Speaker 2:

He has been just a godsend because we're really able to combine our unique and different experiences and expertise and the way that we approach different things. I've been working with and guiding women through this process like boots on the ground in my DMs and working with women one on one and hearing their stories time after time after time. So I'm very connected to the mind of the woman that has just been diagnosed with HPV and I'm also a woman, so like although I've never dealt with this like I understand what it feels like to have a cervix and to be cut off from your body and to have sexual shame and all of that. And Nathan is able to bring the male's perspective, not only the man, the male, the partner, but the gynecologist. He's been clinically trained. He trained hard and he's managed from a clinical standpoint, like the pap smears and the testing and the procedures, and he knows that world. He knows it well enough that he got out of it and he chose a different approach because he fully understands that we must integrate everything. We must treat our bodies like a holistic being, which they are. So his expertise is unmatched in this area and to be able to combine our efforts. Really we're just able to reach that many more women and I'm just, I'm just so grateful. He's just been a God sent to me and just I know I already said like we have a sacred contract together in this, because yeah, this is just so, so needed. Our course is available for anyone and everyone that wants this support, this top notch support, and you can go to the website clearhpvcom if you want to learn more. And we're right now, as we, as we record this, we're in the middle of launching our first cohort of women and, depending on when when this, you know, when this episode airs, anyone can can reach out to me, can go to clearhpvcom and get on the waitlist for the next cohort, or just, you know, talk to me and we can talk about options for you. If that cohort, you know, is is, you know, a ways down. But, yeah, I just want every woman to know like, there are options, there are safe spaces, and I didn't even touch on the community of women that we have built in our building. Because of this isolation that women feel, you know they're not even talking to their partners, their girlfriends, their, their close loved ones, and they feel really isolated in this journey. And every woman that comes through the Clear and Free program is going to be surrounded by other women, this community of bad ass women who are like minded and are able to understand on every level, exactly what you're going through. There's no shame, there's no guilt, there's no judgment. Everyone there is dealing with the same things and I'm I'm also, you know, really, really excited and grateful for the opportunity to get to create this, this community of women that's going to be really powerful for ending the isolation and dissolving the stigma is my goal.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and well, the thing that I'm like most impressed about and I'm very impressed by the whole thing and I'm like I'm grateful for you guys to create it too, because it's like I get to learn through that process and see and I know that women need all of this support it's not specifically HPV. Yes, it's like meet them where their pain point is right now, but teaching them everything under the sun about how to create that balance and how to really be truly thriving and healthy in a female body and connected with other women and a community component for women is important. It's really important, and that's equal parts of all the. You know you're hitting the healing from every aspect possible and you can. It's clear to me you guys have really thought about this to the fullest extent of what the support is really needed to be able to create this. And I'm thinking to myself. I'm like, yeah, okay, once you guys get this HPV thing rolling out and smooth, then you can have women's school, which is just like teach us everything that we need to know that we were never taught in school and, like you know, and it's yeah, it's such a, it's such important work and it's such like I can tell how lit up you are about it and how you know how much you have committed yourself to it, which is also awesome to see when women are passionate about a thing that they love and are going out and doing the damn thing. So, yeah, it's like this. This is just the beginning for you guys in this realm, and I'm excited. Yeah, I'm going to yeah, I'm just going to spell it on you now create women's school. Teach us everything about women's health.

Speaker 2:

Oh.

Speaker 1:

I love it. All right, I'll put that in the back of my mind for when I regain my energy to begin a new course.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because, honestly, this is like it's been a labor of love, completely like I, obviously. Yeah, like you said, like I'm lit up by this. Anyone listening and I can tell that I'm passionate about it because I'm passionate about women and their experiences and I know what that feels like. We didn't touch on my story, which is totally fine, but like I know, in short, I know what it feels like to be at rock bottom with your health and feel like you are completely, utterly alone in figuring it out and there was a lot of trial and error and I wish, I wish I would have had someone like who I am now helping me in that space, or someone like Dr Nathan Riley helping me in that space, in that rock bottom, to just be a beacon of hope and a beacon of light to remind you that you are not alone. I mean, I'm going to hold your hand through this experience and make sure that you have the best fucking support on every level. Yeah, that's my commitment and yeah, it's been a labor of love. I've told Chase like I've never worked so much in my life than this last year working on this, because I just knew that it needed to get out there like ASAP, but it was also a lot. It was a lot of information and education that needs to be put together and I wanted to do it right, and Nathan as well. Like from the beginning, we're like we're not going to skimp on this, like we're going to do this thing right so that it can be helpful to any and every woman that's looking for the support.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it's like so. Oh man, it's just like we need to multiply you into more women to teach other things to. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, it's been, this has been awesome. And then, yeah, and it's like you know we were talking before the show is like, yeah, we'll talk about your journey and your story as a coach and all the things I usually talk about.

Speaker 2:

And I'm glad that we talked about all of this because it's like very pressing and important, and maybe we do a follow up and we talk about all of that anytime I'm an open book and I'm I have the very strong guide archetype in me where, if I've figured out something out in some way, I feel compelled to kind of look back, or maybe just to the side and help the women that might be just a few steps behind and say like okay, girl, I've been where you're at. This is what I did. This is really what helped me and I, if it helps you dodge some of the bullets that hit me, great. So that's where I feel compelled to share, and if it doesn't resonate and it doesn't land with you, totally cool. You know, keep what sticks, keep what resonates and ditch the rest. But that's what a guide does is like, okay, watch out there and jump over that, and this is what really got me here. But yeah, it's my labor of love.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and people, can you have a podcast so people can listen more to you if they? Want to the plenty of episodes to go through the medicine podcast. Yeah, and you and your partner Chase hosted together, so we've. I was just recently we just recorded an interview. People can hear us on the flip the tables, yeah, any anywhere else that they can find you or where you want to send them.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the medicine podcast. So medicine is spelled without an E on the end M, e, d, I, c, I, n. Right away you know it's a different type of medicine that we're talking about. We talk about everything from conscious relationships, chase and I which we didn't get into, but we have a wild love story, wild history, and we have opened up our life in a way where we're providing people with support and help in the area, in the realm of intentional, conscious relationship. We talk about holistic health, we talk about spirituality, we talk about fun things like psychodynamic astrology you know functional neurology and you know all. You have people on like yourself that are in the realm of coaching and language and stories and words and basically anything that fascinates us is fair game, but certainly more conversations like this. If anyone enjoyed this conversation, it's, it's a little taste of what we talk about on the medicine. And then our website, the medicinecom, is where people can look into immune Intel HCC if they're interested in that. We also have a another mushroom supplement called mushy love latte, which is a basically a liquid cinnamon roll. It's it's packed with chaga and tremella mushrooms highest quality. And yeah, so the medicine podcast, the medicine dot com. I'm on Instagram. I hang out there a lot. Mimi underscore the medicine and then, if anyone is interested in the clear and free program, you can check out clear HPV dot com.

Speaker 1:

Perfect, I'll put it all in the notes so you can just click it and you'll find it all and find whatever you need and then take the path that you choose. Yeah, love it. Thank you so much. This is the best. I'll let you hit the stop record button.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thank you for having me and thanks everyone for listening and hanging out with us. Yeah, it's the best.

Speaker 1:

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Navigating the Health and Wellness Community
Supporting Women With HPV
Break the Stigma
Issues With HPV Screening and Treatment
HPV Vaccination Impact and Concerns
Health and Wellness in Modern Life
Reflection on Health and Balance
HCC's Role in Balancing Body
Physical and Mental Health Interconnectedness
Psychedelics and AI
Clear and Free
Mastering the Uplifted Method