# 63: Radically Average Pt 2 - Pepsi vs Coke

How much would you bet on your ability to take the ultimate taste test. Coke vs Pepsi?? 

We welcome half of the Radical Apathy podcast and listen to how we make him mad.

Thanks for listening! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:05

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SPEAKER_00 0:30

Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What you do right now makes a difference.

SPEAKER_06 0:58

No, there's no way he would uh leave that game. I I didn't know what was happening, and we have to do ours tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER_08 1:12

I uh also forgot what was happening. My kid wanted to watch it. Uh she wanted to watch it because of the halftime show. I'm like, we're not getting TSN for a month to watch a halftime show. Kendrick Lamar. Not happening.

SPEAKER_07 1:23

Are you talking about the Mega Bowl?

SPEAKER_08 1:26

The Mega Mega Ultra Bowl today.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

So wow, can you check me down?

SPEAKER_08 1:29

Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:30

Oh my god. Oh, that's much better. Thank you. Is that better? Yeah, that's so much better. I could not give less of a fuck about this.

SPEAKER_08 1:41

I kind of think we're on the same page, otherwise we probably wouldn't be here together.

SPEAKER_06 1:45

Do you guys even like football?

SPEAKER_08 1:48

I like watching it. American football? Yeah. NFL is fun to watch sometimes.

SPEAKER_07 1:52

I don't know if I like sports. What do you mean? Like I there's very few sports that I would waste my time sitting down to watch. I like playing sports, but I'm not great at them.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 2:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:09

I don't disagree, except that like the the I like watching the finale of like I like watching the Super Bowl. Like I would, if we had a subscription to something, I would watch it today. I would have watched it. But we don't have one. I'm not gonna get one just for this game. So like the like NHL, I don't watch at all, but when playoffs come, I watched quite a bit of it last year. Just because it's more there's more on the line, it means more, yeah, it's more exciting.

SPEAKER_06 2:32

I left my house to come here. Yes. And I ran into Tony on the way out. Yes. Not that Tony. Tony A. Tony A. Old retired nurse. Yes. Tony A. His father lives uh who with me. Um because I live in an old folks home. Yeah. Not the one we work at, but a different one. Yeah. And uh he looked quite defeated. And he was wearing the ball cap of one of the teams, the uh uh Taylor Swift team. Yeah, the red one? The red team, yeah. That was losing a lot of games. He looked quite defeated. He said the game was still going, um, but he just decided to leave. So I assume it's not good.

SPEAKER_08 3:08

I saw on the uh Twitter or X that it was 24-0, I think, at halftime for the Philadelphia Eagles. Meh. I think that's who's playing today. The Eagles and the 49ers. Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_07 3:21

When you read a book, do you just flip right to the end? Never.

SPEAKER_08 3:25

Never ever.

SPEAKER_07 3:26

So why then do you watch the finale of sports? It's different, dude.

SPEAKER_08 3:31

It's it's different because it like it matters. It matters. There's like there's something.

SPEAKER_07 3:36

First off, it definitely does not matter.

SPEAKER_08 3:37

Well, okay, it matters to them and it matters to people. It matters in terms of like it's the culmination of their season. Everything they've done up to that point, it's here, and this is like it's important. Not to me, not to me, to somebody. But but like it is, it's important. Yeah, you know. That's why like Olympics. I watch Olympics, I'll watch any sport, anything go on. I'll freaking watch curling. I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 4:00

So why why why do people flock to the Olympics? Sports that no one even knows exist. Uh, but then they'll but then they'll watch football religiously.

SPEAKER_08 4:12

Um because get I think people end up in that tribe, right? They with I think with football specifically in the States, they it's the hardcore people, it's like their team. I don't know why, but they end up with like it's their tribe. Same with I guess hockey, some people like hardcore, whatever, Edmonton Oiler fans, right? So now it becomes for some reason they attach to that and then they find some joy in I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 4:37

It becomes part of their identity, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:39

Right? Being like successful, or they I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 4:42

Is there anything other than sport? I guess there is. Like, I'm trying to think, if there's something other than sports that people attach that hard to their identity. So we'll take politics out of it because that's the obvious answer. But like, what's something else on that level that people will lock into themselves? That's not sports.

SPEAKER_08 4:58

I think country, well, I think country, like like your we talked about this last.

SPEAKER_06 5:03

Well, let's take politics out of it. Because that's yeah, obviously, people tribal politics, but let's uh religion is obvious.

SPEAKER_08 5:08

Um, I don't know. What else?

SPEAKER_07 5:10

What like being a firefighter? I was gonna say jobs. I was gonna say what type of Coke and Pepsi you drink.

SPEAKER_05 5:16

Well, Coke and Pepsi was a big thing. I think Coke and Pepsi is a big fucking deal, yeah, right? Because if you you see a Pepsi person, you're like, oh, why are you gonna get Pepsi? Well, back in the 90s, they had those like tate tip. The Cola Wars all the time.

SPEAKER_07 5:24

And they had the Cola Wars back then, right? Oh, those were so easy to beat. So easy.

SPEAKER_06 5:28

So it's so obvious that was Pepsi and Coke.

SPEAKER_05 5:30

Should we should we try that, right?

SPEAKER_06 5:32

Do you have Coke and Pepsi here? I do. You do? Do we try it? Can we try that? Because I I agree with you, but I think in reality it might be harder.

SPEAKER_08 5:39

I would have said there's no way you have Coke and the case. You should go, you should go set that up. I want we should try that.

SPEAKER_07 5:43

And pausing. No, you just keep going. We haven't even yeah, you just keep going. I'll be back.

SPEAKER_08 5:47

Okay. Okay. Uh I'm shocked that you actually have both of these in your house.

SPEAKER_06 5:50

I'm excited. I've never actually I've never actually tried the no, not not. I have I have a Coke with me. It is I'm gonna stop drinking it though because I don't want to.

SPEAKER_08 5:57

It's very easy. Is it? Oh, so easy. I I would I would venture to say that I I'm gonna say this and then mess this up. Yeah I would like bet a million dollars on it. A million dollars? I think so. I I I could figure I I am very confident I could tell the difference.

SPEAKER_06 6:13

Okay. I enjoy a good bet. Okay. So obviously CJ has to know what he poured. Yep. Part of me thinks he's not gonna remember.

SPEAKER_08 6:22

But hey, use different glasses so you know which one's which.

SPEAKER_06 6:26

But but if he does, uh okay, what should our bet be? Should it be that you just can't tell a difference? Or should I I that I need to tell you?

SPEAKER_08 6:36

Okay, do you think here's the thing? Do you think that I can? I guess is my question.

SPEAKER_06 6:39

Well, you're so confident that you can, I I want you to fail.

SPEAKER_08 6:42

Exactly. Yeah. So do you want to bet against the job? Yes, I do. I just uh yeah. Okay. Uh so why don't we do like a booster juice? A BJ. Yeah. Sweet, sweet, BJ. BJ. So either a BJ, yeah, that I'll get it correct.

SPEAKER_06 6:54

So you'll get it correct, I'll say you fail.

SPEAKER_08 6:56

Yeah, if I if I fail, I owe you. If I get it correct, you owe me. Correct. Got that.

SPEAKER_06 7:00

All right.

SPEAKER_08 7:01

Okay. That's that's the plan. It's exciting.

SPEAKER_06 7:04

I've never I've never actually done the the Coke Pepsi taste off. I'm uh yeah. I'm I'm what what do you prefer yourself? You're a Coke person.

SPEAKER_08 7:13

Why? Uh Pepsi is way sweeter.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

See, yeah, I I think it I describe it as more syrupier. It's like that makes sense. Yeah, very it's very sugary compared.

SPEAKER_08 7:23

Well, it tastes very much very sugary compared to Coke.

SPEAKER_06 7:26

Yeah, I feel like Coke is more crisp, if that's a proper term.

SPEAKER_08 7:30

But I've also only had Coke Zero for a long time. I can't I don't know last time I had a lot of.

SPEAKER_06 7:35

Yes, yeah, I just do Coke Zero as well.

SPEAKER_08 7:37

Coke would be Coke full? Coke.

SPEAKER_06 7:40

I think you'd be shockingly sugary.

SPEAKER_08 7:42

Uh no, I don't think so. Do you do you have one?

SPEAKER_07 7:46

Oh. My assistant will be in momentary. Sweet.

SPEAKER_08 7:49

Oh, uh, we have something bet on it now.

SPEAKER_07 7:52

We made a bet.

SPEAKER_08 7:53

Yes. Okay. I I said I was like so confident I would call it. He said you'd bet a million dollars. I bet a million dollars, I could tell the difference. So we settled with the booster juice.

SPEAKER_06 8:01

Can I uh can I as a listener of your guys' podcast, can I just say nothing infuriates me more listening to you people?

SPEAKER_02 8:10

You're I don't know any two people on a podcast that are so sure of themselves regarding every fucking topic in the world. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 8:21

They're just you come up with the assurety of just a just a strong, straight white man. You just the strong assurety of it. Uh, and it and it it blows me away. I get so mad listening to it. Uh yeah. I think I can tell what it is by just looking at those cups.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

I think so, hey, just by looking. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 8:38

You have to think we need the answer after. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:41

Okay, so we have two cups.

SPEAKER_07 8:42

No, it's why can't I smell it?

SPEAKER_08 8:44

What's the difference if I smell or taste?

SPEAKER_07 8:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 8:47

We'll just let Tanner introduce the challenge.

SPEAKER_06 8:50

Okay, go ahead. Um, oh, sorry. So he's gonna drink a cup of dark liquid, and then a second cup uh of a different shape and dark liquid, and one of them will be coke, one of them Pepsi. Are they just regular Coke and Pepsi? Are we talking tights? Okay, regular Coke and Pepsi. Okay, full test. And then if you're correct, I owe you a BJ. Yes. And if I am correct, you thusly owe myself a BJ. Correct, correct. Okay. Uh good.

SPEAKER_08 9:14

And I uh by swelling it, I have a guess already I get a BJ out of this.

SPEAKER_06 9:18

Just keep doing what you're doing, right? Can you do like an ASMR swill when you get it? Like a good wine swill.

SPEAKER_08 9:24

Uh give it a good ACSMR. All right. I'm starting with uh the bigger cup.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_08 9:35

That's nice.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Okay, but don't say don't give your answer yet. I I know which one that is. Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_07 9:43

When we were thinking about names for this podcast, we should have called it hubris.

SPEAKER_06 9:47

Yeah, I think that's what your show should be called. Anti-huberus.

SPEAKER_08 9:52

Oh, yeah, I 100% know this.

SPEAKER_06 9:53

Okay, I'm gonna try it.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

100%. Okay, I'm gonna try the tall glass.

SPEAKER_06 10:04

Yes, I feel confident in that one as well. Uh short glass. Oh, that's confident. Oh really? Yeah. Do you want to see if you can do it? Yeah. You don't you don't know, CJ, what these are? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 10:22

This is a double blind. Triple blind. Triple blind placebo study. Yeah, you know last episode I said 100%, and then like within three seconds quickly went backwards on 100%. Justin. Okay, tall class now. Tall glass, tall class.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Short glass. I didn't smell it either. Fuck.

SPEAKER_06 10:45

You know?

SPEAKER_02 10:46

It kind of I was so sure the first time.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

I'm like 100% confident, and I might be wrong. Alright, John's that confident.

SPEAKER_07 10:51

Well here, on a count of three. Oh. He's going in no. Try it again. How do we how do we do this at the same time?

SPEAKER_08 10:59

What? Uh not really, actually. I I almost went the other way with the smell of it. I can't forget. Hold on. I'm gonna do the talking again.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

Okay. Okay. I'm on board. Okay. So how are we doing this? Should she just should she just say that?

SPEAKER_08 11:15

No, no, because you because no, because I didn't know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_07 11:18

I have an idea. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 11:20

Okay. He's moving cups around. Wait, what do you do? Yeah, he's moving them.

SPEAKER_07 11:24

So this is left. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 11:27

People can't see that.

SPEAKER_07 11:28

Okay. They don't need to see it. Okay. We're gonna point in the direction that we think the Coca-Cola is. Okay. On the count of three. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 11:36

Sorry, we gotta slow down. You said left, right, in a direction you're not facing, and we're all facing different directions.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Can we not just point to which cup we think is which? Yes. This one over here. We're all facing different directions. Alright, there. They're further apart, so it should be easier to figure this out.

SPEAKER_07 11:56

Just because I could be pointing at either here.

SPEAKER_06 11:58

Could we say one or two so that your audience would know what's happening?

SPEAKER_08 12:02

Okay, this is so complicated. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06 12:03

So one is coke, two is the well, tall is one, short is one, two, and then we say which cup is what. So your audience knows what you're doing. How about this?

SPEAKER_08 12:13

Point to the coke.

SPEAKER_06 12:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 12:15

Point to the coke. One, two, three. Oh. Okay. This this that tall glass is 100% Pepsi.

unknown 12:24

You pointed to that one.

SPEAKER_08 12:25

I I pointed to that one as Coke.

SPEAKER_07 12:28

Do you not remember?

SPEAKER_06 12:29

Yeah, it is. Okay. Of course it is. Okay, so. So you're two, you two are correct. I was wrong, so I owe you a BJ. And I'll just give you one. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 12:39

Do you want to pause?

SPEAKER_08 12:40

Do you want to pause this right now?

SPEAKER_06 12:43

I mean, we could just keep the ASMR going.

SPEAKER_08 12:45

Yeah. I seriously. Really? Okay. I immediately knew. I like I I'm not joking. I would have I bet a million dollars on this. I I would immediately knew.

SPEAKER_07 12:53

I I just seem to think that's pretty high odds for the chance to be wrong.

SPEAKER_08 12:57

It's not. It's so different.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

I literally walked in here with a can of Coke. It's it's so different. Like this is like so much sweeter than that. God, I don't taste it. Oh, really? Wow. I thought I would know way better, but I didn't. It's very, very different.

SPEAKER_07 13:11

Can I try the Pepsi again?

SPEAKER_06 13:12

I haven't had a Pepsi and like neither have I. I don't always drink Coke. Give me the Coke again.

SPEAKER_07 13:16

I'm gonna keep trying these shirts and drinks. Pepsi tastes like my childhood. Okay. Okay. Your shirt actually could be the Pepsi logo from back in the day, didn't it? I think so.

SPEAKER_08 13:28

Kind of, maybe. Nah, it needs more red. Hmm.

SPEAKER_07 13:32

Yeah, I mean I can taste it now, but I think that's just because I know. Yeah. It's it was very, very clear.

SPEAKER_08 13:38

Anyway, welcome one half of the Radical Apathy Podcaster. Welcome, Matt.

SPEAKER_06 13:44

Yes, thank you for having me, Mike. One half my my long love cohort. Uh Corbin is watching the sports game. Yes. And there is no way. He cares. There's no way he would have left his home for this. Zero way. Yeah. We were we were gonna record tonight and that didn't happen. Yeah. Like before that, this was planned. Then he he he got me an uproar saying, Oh sports, singing sports, sports.

SPEAKER_07 14:07

And I said, Ah, okay. I just to put a capstone on this whole thing. I watch the Olympics because I find the athleticism impressive. Yep. You don't think athleticism is impressive in the NFL? But I just don't care. Sure.

unknown 14:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:22

Why? Why? I just I I okay, I truly honestly find it to be a time waster. Interesting. It is. Yeah. For sure. But that's it's like a societal time waster where we all just not we, but some just yeah, but everyone has their thing.

SPEAKER_08 14:38

Like everyone's got their thing. And it's that is not my time waster. Like to before I came here, I was watching a new show on Apple TV uh about the Vietnam War. It's a time waster. Yeah, it's a lot of people. Ken Burns Vietnam? Uh no, it's a new show on Apple TV. It's like uh I can't remember the title of it, but it's something about the Vietnam War. It's basically shows like uh footage from then it interviews people uh who they have footage of and kind of about. And it's interesting because it goes it goes from the Viet Cong angle as well. So they talk to people from the Viet Cong who are in it. The tunnels that they had were insane. Insane. Yeah. Like they showed they showed uh they showed a picture, like a graph uh of how the tunnels connected um around Saigon and and then like how they could progressively built the tunnels to get closer and closer to Saigon.

SPEAKER_06 15:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 15:25

Is it was I don't get it. It's so crazy.

SPEAKER_06 15:27

Do you find it tough to watch those because the the Vietnamese I'll call it accent is very aggressive? Yeah. It's hard. Like it's it's do you ever watch these things? Because I've I've watched them, yeah, they do the same, but they get both and they'll have the American old American soldier be like, yeah, I was I was down there and laying out all the land and all the Viet Cong were coming out of the trees and killing all of us. And he's just sad and alone, and then and then they'll go to another like old and and and brittle soldier uh of Viet Cong and they ask the same question and they have subtitles, but he's like, You don't see it, you know. Yes. With the exact same somber view, but it just that's how it comes across when you're like, I shouldn't be watching this.

SPEAKER_08 16:07

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 16:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 16:08

Did you notice that? Yeah, I notice it, but then I just read the subtitles and I try to take try to take the content of what they're saying versus like how they're saying it.

SPEAKER_06 16:15

You should you're your better person. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 16:18

Anyway, time wasters. They're all time wasters, and I think just some people choose their poison differently.

SPEAKER_07 16:23

Yeah, but what else? Like, could you imagine if you could get personalized license plates for other things that you identify with? You probably can. No, I don't think you can. Like, sorry, like what? Like, give me a couple of things. Well, like I can go to the registry right now and I can get a license plate. That's just like your regular license plate, or your I'm a veteran, or I support the veterans thing. Remember that one? Or I'm a Flames fan or I'm an Oilers fan.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:46

You can't go there and be like, I'm a Jehovah's Witness, I want my Jehovah's Witness plate. Give me the JW. I wonder if you uh maybe you can't. Maybe that has to be like through the Alberta government. Or like I'm big into like I'm part of the knitting association.

SPEAKER_06 16:59

So you could you could have them write something, but the physical plate itself wouldn't change what you mean. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:03

Like you could write like I knit. Right. You could. I can I T. I knit. Yeah. Yeah. Do you knit? Not at all. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 17:11

Yeah. If our cohort Jason was here, he does knit and does Jason knit? Really? Well, he does strange things sometimes, and one of them was knitting.

SPEAKER_07 17:19

Was it knitting or crocheting? Not that I know the difference. I feel like one of them you drop a stitch, one of them you don't.

SPEAKER_06 17:23

Uh Segway. Yes, Thomas. Not that knitting's a great topic. Um, so we uh recently had uh a Jason on our show.

SPEAKER_08 17:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

I I don't I I can I apologize right now. Sure. I haven't listened to that episode.

SPEAKER_06 17:39

Yeah, it's fine. Most people don't listen to us. Um and uh we we tested we had a Jason come on and we tested him because you guys have a Jason who would is quote unquote your producer and does your background checks and things. And like the all the famous podcasters have their producers, so we wanted to test it. We wanted to see what it'd be like because it's just Corbin and I. Yes. So we had uh a Jason come on, uh, do it for a full episode. Yes, absolutely terrible.

SPEAKER_08 18:02

Um just just horrible. I I go back, I did listen to that episode now that now that I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 18:08

Yeah, yes, it's just terrible. Yeah, yeah. I so I don't know if you guys enjoy your Jason, but the Jason we tried. It's a good thing it wasn't the same Jason because no, we just everyone gets a Jason, right?

SPEAKER_07 18:16

Did did your Jason also not look up things?

SPEAKER_06 18:19

All the time, and we literally laid out at the beginning we said here's this is a test, and you are on the wire to see if we're gonna hire ourselves a Jason. Yeah, and we need you to do A, B, and C. And he barely did like a half an A.

SPEAKER_08 18:31

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:33

Uh well our Jason uh also fails at that sometimes. Uh last episode, uh he was using like CBC news to find our find trying to find data on things when there's things like AI that you can just search up and they give you all of the answers. And we're trying to get him into the you know the new century.

SPEAKER_06 18:50

So for every Jamie, there's like a dozen Jasons. I think so. Okay. That's what we were learning.

SPEAKER_07 18:54

We need to implement a Jamie or a Jason to Jamie kind of progression. Yeah, training program. Yeah. Okay. Like step one, just like Google something during the conversation. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_08 19:12

Yeah. Yeah. Or or yeah, or like maybe get away from Google. Like maybe we start using something else. Yeah, Grok. Fire up Grok.

SPEAKER_07 19:19

Yeah, it'll be mostly accurate. It's Grok. It's uh X's AI. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh if you are doing your own producing, which I suspect you are, uh, it might be a handy tool for you to quickly access facts. Oh.

SPEAKER_08 19:36

Although I did look at the Radical Apathy uh X account today, and I believe November of last year was the last time it touched it.

SPEAKER_06 19:46

Our um social media guy is terrible. It's not good. And to be fair, every episode he says he hates social media doing anything with it. Yeah, but that's why we post him on our social media because. I don't have any social media accounts.

SPEAKER_08 20:01

Okay. Well, but like here's the thing. You don't have to have one for you. You could have one for your podcast. And like, sure, you don't need to have one for you. Yeah. But just like use 'cause I for X, all I use now is our podcast one. I don't use mine personally because I can't use two. I just it doesn't work. And it's too much time. So if I'm going to be on it anyway, I'll just be on it on our podcast X account. And that way I'm actually getting people to respond to me and follow every once in a while.

SPEAKER_06 20:32

I do have the uh one that is called uh oh, the chat GPT.

SPEAKER_08 20:39

Yeah. That comes with like I do have that.

SPEAKER_07 20:41

That'll work for you.

SPEAKER_06 20:42

So I can't.

SPEAKER_07 20:43

But it's not a but it's not a social yes, but it's not a yes.

SPEAKER_06 20:45

No, sorry, going back to the AI thing. Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_07 20:48

But like, for example, in your podcast, which I parachute in and out of your podcast, I've recently parachuted back in. Oh, welcome. Thank you. Episode season two, episode one. Is that how you're calling it? Or are you just calling it season?

SPEAKER_06 20:58

Well, we we do seasons just kind of help us keep track, but it's just episode 20, whatever it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:03

Because you could type into Grok, summarize the 10 most fascinating uh products released at CNET. C no, not CNET. What the hell is it called? CES. CES? Yeah. CNET. What the fuck is CNET? I don't well I think CNET is something. CNET is something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:17

It's like a news, I think it's a news. You know what? Oh guys, oh hold on. Oh, wait, we can look that up. Hold on. What is a PNET? Oh, CNET. Sorry. What is a CNET? It says reasoning, which kind of puts me off. Cnet typically refers to a well-known technological news and media website originally named after Computer Network, founded in 1994 by Hasley Minor and Shelby Bonnie.

unknown 21:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 21:41

Look at that. Look how easy that was. Yeah, come on. That would have taken Jason 20 minutes and he would have got it wrong.

SPEAKER_06 21:47

Okay, so to answer your question, I, if you asked one, I like think I don't like do using AI for that. The only thing I'll really use AI for is make this report sound smarter. Um I I just like finding it. Like when we do our list or something, like I'll I'll I'll I'll go through the CNET production and and see what I like and kind of pull that. Um I guess it does take more time for sure, but I just that way I I know something about it. So when I talk about it, we don't sign complete assholes. I appreciate Yeah, we don't do that.

SPEAKER_08 22:21

We just like to make things up and say 100%.

SPEAKER_07 22:23

Yeah, and no, no, yeah, we have different shows, that's okay. Like last week when JB said, did you listen to last week's episode? No. Okay. It would drive you fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_06 22:33

Yeah, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta take time to listen. Sometimes I think, oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 22:37

Wow. So last week he sits down. Are you aware of the collision between the helicopter and the airplane? I saw the video. Yes. So you're aware of its generic existence, that it is a thing that has happened.

SPEAKER_06 22:46

It is a thing that has happened, yes.

SPEAKER_07 22:48

Okay, I I came in and last week he sat down and he said verbatim, yeah, 100% the helicopter crashed into that plane intentionally.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 23:02

Within 120 seconds, he was like, Yeah, I don't know, man. Like anything could happen.

SPEAKER_08 23:08

Like it's uh I saw one post that made me really think it was true. And then he kind of brought some reason into the argument. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's a good point. And I couldn't find that post anymore because the guy probably had to pull it because it was completely BS. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 23:22

That's the problem with social media though, right? Like it's just 99% of what you see is absolute bullshit.

SPEAKER_07 23:27

But what if what if we walk his statements back to just like 99? I'm 99% sure.

SPEAKER_06 23:31

Yeah, because then you have doubt. Isn't he but that 100% you guys like 100% like I could fight a I could fight a mountain lion? No, no, you couldn't. No, you could not.

SPEAKER_08 23:40

Well I was right about Pepsi and Coke. That's all I'll say.

SPEAKER_06 23:44

You were I and and you what and you you pointed out right away, and you were correct.

SPEAKER_08 23:47

Uh yeah. So sometimes I'm right. Not 100%, not 100% at the time, but sometimes. I don't know. Whatever.

SPEAKER_07 23:56

I I do appreciate about your podcast though. I was thinking about this the other day. Your guys' commitment to like just a small percentage of planning or like a mild amount of effort in your own.

SPEAKER_06 24:08

Yeah, yeah, true. Mild is a good answer.

SPEAKER_08 24:10

You tried to get us through this last podcast. Can we do at least like maybe like five minutes of research before like no? Why? Did you do any? Actually did, but like I don't even talk about anything. But what yeah, I guess what do you count as research?

SPEAKER_07 24:21

If research means me reading a bunch of things and that's cool. I just think uh just picking like interesting. Like I only wrote down one thing for this podcast.

SPEAKER_06 24:29

Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:31

I wrote Idris Elba is a loser. Oh, wow. Rounded knives.

SPEAKER_06 24:37

Oh, okay. That's the new movie that's coming out? No. Because he's in it. The new knives out movie? Isn't Idris Elba the new knives up movie that's coming out?

SPEAKER_07 24:45

Is he in the knives? No, this is specifically so. Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 24:48

No, this is good.

SPEAKER_07 24:50

Because I I I thought Idris Elba was cool until I read this article.

SPEAKER_08 24:54

Uh, okay. Okay, before you tell me he's not cool, the show Luther though is amazing. Okay. Have you seen that show?

SPEAKER_06 25:01

Not this new one they did on Netflix, but the original BBC series.

SPEAKER_08 25:05

It's so good.

SPEAKER_07 25:06

Idris Elba was in a British newspaper within the last couple weeks saying that they need to regulate knives and take away the pointy tips off of knives. Well, because being stabbed.

SPEAKER_08 25:18

Yes, well, where he's from, a lot of people get stabbed.

SPEAKER_07 25:21

I don't care. That is ridiculous. Do you hear yourself? Yeah, yeah, I don't think he heard himself.

SPEAKER_06 25:32

Why does it make you angry?

SPEAKER_07 25:33

Does it not make you angry? No. I think it's dumb.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

What's the opinion of one person? I don't, whatever. I think it's dumb, but I I still like his shows.

SPEAKER_07 25:40

No, he's needed he's a loser. He might be the new James Bond. He wants to really because the new James Bond wants to get pointy tips off of knives. I mean, he gets stabbed a lot. I would imagine he doesn't want pointy knives.

SPEAKER_08 25:50

James Bond probably probably wants dull knives for sure. Something that I uh bookmarked to talk about is that in 2032, uh right now there's a 2.3% chance that we're gonna get smashed by a gigantic asteroid.

SPEAKER_06 26:06

Yeah.

unknown 26:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 26:08

They opted from 1% to like 2%. I know it's gone up.

SPEAKER_08 26:10

What is gigantic? Uh asteroid is estimated to be 130 to 330 feet in diameter.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

That won't even like do that. That'll cause some issues, I think.

SPEAKER_06 26:21

Oh, yeah, we're gonna be we're gonna have a bad day if that happens. Really? Gigantic, dude.

SPEAKER_07 26:25

No, though the one that hit the the the killed the dinosaurs was like 10 kilometers.

SPEAKER_06 26:29

Yeah, but that killed them in a day. Like then everything on Earth died within that day. If this hits, like humans will survive, but it's gonna be like Mat Max.

SPEAKER_08 26:38

No, yeah, dude, yeah. 330 feet in diameter.

SPEAKER_06 26:42

Yeah, that's like four of those uh sports fields that they're playing on stage.

SPEAKER_08 26:47

Uh oh, also, do you know do you know what also is interesting about this? Uh you didn't listen to our last our last episode, but we had a question uh about some odds about one in a thousand. So 2.3% chance, this equates to a one in 43 chance of impact. One in 43.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 27:02

Right. Which sounds not 2% doesn't sound bad, but one in 43. That doesn't sound good. Ooh.

SPEAKER_07 27:07

Yeah. I don't like those odds.

SPEAKER_08 27:09

Uh, because we were talking about rehash it, but we're talking about basically if you had a chance, a one in one thousand chance of dying uh from eating a bad grape, but every other grape you ate was fifty thousand dollars. How many grapes would you eat? I'd eat six.

SPEAKER_07 27:24

Okay, there you go. Like I'm not super worried about this based on the thing.

SPEAKER_08 27:28

No, I'm not either, but I'm just saying it's interesting. Unless it hits us. Uh, what I found interesting was the fact that we had the conversation at one in a thousand and how Jason was like, I wouldn't touch a grape, and this is one in 43 that we're all gonna get smashed by an asteroid.

SPEAKER_06 27:41

Yeah. And if if it I mean it'll be somewhere along the equator and probably in the water.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

And cause some gigantic waves.

SPEAKER_06 27:49

We we like where we live, we won't be dead immediately, but we're gonna have a bad time.

SPEAKER_07 27:55

What do you mean, like a bad time? Like I am gonna get like more frequent sunburns kind of bad time?

SPEAKER_06 28:00

No, it's gonna it's gonna kick up so much earth and dirt and muck into the atmosphere that we're gonna go into what we would call like a nuclear winter.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Like a volcanic winter, except breathe, right? That'd be a long time. 10, 15 years. Oh, stop.

SPEAKER_06 28:14

Oh okay. Oh sh oh shush.

SPEAKER_08 28:18

You stop it.

SPEAKER_06 28:19

Yeah, uh easily between seven and fifteen years. Easily. Plants will die, bugs will die, our food system will die, we die. Bees will die. That's how it works.

SPEAKER_07 28:29

Do asteroids most often hit the equator? Yeah, because that's so why?

SPEAKER_06 28:33

Because they get pulled into Earth's gravitational pull, which is strongest at the equator. So it kind of that's why there's an elliptical orbit in our solar system. That's why they're all kind of on a flattish plane. Right. Because we're all pulled into the elliptical orbit of the sun. So then that kind of gets into Earth. Gets pulled into our elliptical orbit. So it's it'll likely be somewhere along the equator line that it'll smash into. I mean, that makes me feel good. Yeah. We won't, I mean, just you want to die fast or slow.

SPEAKER_07 28:59

Slow. Well, because I can fight it if I die fast. Listen, I don't I want I I either want it not to happen, I guess I'm saying, or I want it to just I want like Right on you. Right on top of it. Yeah, because it'd be kind of cool to see.

SPEAKER_06 29:12

It'd be kind of cool to kind of write it out, eh?

SPEAKER_08 29:14

You see that coming out of like that's fucking wild. Oh, I'm dead. The chaos that would ensue of like an impending I mean, what's that movie that just um it was a stupid movie? Oh, with Leo? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

Where they're trying to warn people about it, and everyone's just like, man.

SPEAKER_08 29:27

Yeah, like the government like knows, but they're not gonna tell anybody, even though they're trying to warn people. Because like if we tell everybody, it's just gonna be a good thing. But it's true, like it would be it's true.

SPEAKER_06 29:34

Like, do you let do you tell them when I don't think I'm saying there's nothing you can do about it?

SPEAKER_03 29:38

I don't think you can.

SPEAKER_06 29:39

I because that astro was like the size of Texas.

SPEAKER_08 29:42

Because you'll know a certain amount of time, like I would say, I don't know. I don't know when they'd know. Basically let's say a month out that they're like, it's impending, it's going to hit us, there's nothing, nothing we can do about it. Yeah, you'd think like a month, you think a year? Like how long do you think they'd know about?

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Probably like now.

SPEAKER_08 29:55

Like how they say this is saying 2032. Right. So how many that's what how many years is that? Uh five, six, seven, seven-ish years. Yeah. So if they and if that continues, that percentage of chance increases every year because it gets closer and they can kind of get a better uh you know trajectory on it, you'd think that within probably maybe four years, they would know before it hit us. Yeah. That's a long time for chaos in the world if you tell everybody that, hey, this is going to hit us, and it's going to essentially cause because I mean, what do you do for four years? Prep?

SPEAKER_06 30:28

Or yeah, or do humans come together and save the species.

SPEAKER_07 30:31

That's never gonna happen. There's no scenario where it's okay now.

SPEAKER_08 30:34

You know that can't you know that would not happen. There's no chance.

SPEAKER_06 30:37

I know I want to believe in a positive.

SPEAKER_07 30:39

Why don't you just force them to get vaccinated too?

SPEAKER_06 30:42

You don't believe that we're gonna give you a needle to help protect against the but you don't believe that.

SPEAKER_08 30:46

Like you, I like fundamentally, you don't believe that if you said, hey, in four years, guys, humanity is is likely to suffer almost extinction. Yeah. Uh in these certain areas, you might be okay for a while, but obviously, food supply, all these things are gonna be important. We have four years, maybe we can build some bunkers with some things to help us live. It'd be like the silo. Yeah. Yeah, the show silo.

SPEAKER_06 31:11

So you save who you can, because yeah, for the vast majority of us, we're done.

SPEAKER_08 31:15

And then so then knowing that, it's like, okay, well, if you know, okay, it's we're like it's likely to smash into the equator. So then people are like, okay, well, like let's start flocking away from the equator so we have a better chance of living. So now people are gonna start like flocking to different parts of the world, yeah. And then obviously resources become scarce. It's it it would be just it would be mad max. It literally would be.

SPEAKER_07 31:35

I'd like to think that you could probably improve your messaging a little bit. Like, we're not just gonna get up on the podium on day one and be like, so mass death and destruction. Yeah, the purge begins today.

SPEAKER_08 31:45

Sure, but I don't know how you um we gotta plan.

SPEAKER_06 31:49

We got a plan, everyone. Everyone just keep doing what you're doing, keep paying your bills, keep paying your taxes, because we're gonna fix it. That's it. And then you're gonna track record doing what we're gonna do. We're gonna shoot it with, we're gonna shoot it with it. We're gonna send up oil riggers and they're gonna drill a hole and do it and blow it up for the inside. That was a great movie.

SPEAKER_07 32:05

It was a great movie. Can't remember what it was called, but it's a good movie. Armageddon.

SPEAKER_06 32:08

Yeah. Okay, speaking of movies, really quickly, I pulled it up because I'm a good Jamie. Um Knives Out Three. Right. I haven't I haven't watched the first one. You ever see the original knives out is actually a I I wanted to watch it but I can't find it anywhere else. I think it's on Netflix. I don't think so. It's a Netflix main movie. Oh, is it? Yeah. Uh Knives Out Two, you can skip. It's not that great. Uh Josh O'Connor. So so Daniel Craig plays uh Benoit Blanc, the kind of Southern detective. Okay. Uh Josh O'Connor is the new one. He's the one of the he plays the young Prince Charles on Netflix The Crown. Uh Kaylee Spanny. Spanny? Spanny? I don't know. How do you say that name? I don't know. She did uh play Elvis, plays Priscilla. Okay. I've heard that was a good movie. Elvis loved it. Yeah. Uh Andrew Scott. He plays. Is it in Fleabag? Intelligent show Fleabag? No? Nope. No, Andrew Scott?

SPEAKER_08 32:58

Didn't see Fleabag, but I know I've seen him before.

SPEAKER_06 33:00

Uh Terry Washington. Who you should know. Scandal. Uh Glenn Close, you should know. Yep. Uh Jeremy Renner. You should know.

SPEAKER_08 33:09

I've been watching Mare Kingstown. Yeah. Oh, it's such a good show. I'm in season two. It is really good.

SPEAKER_06 33:14

He's in it. Uh Mila Kunis. You should know. Yes. Is it? I know. Relax. Damn it here all of a sudden. Uh Josh Brolin and Josh Brolin. You should know. Times two? You said it twice. Oh, I was going to keep going, but I didn't realize that was it. So I just said and comma, Josh Brolin.

SPEAKER_07 33:34

So Idris Elba's not on that list. No. Okay. Do you think if they had had like not pointy knives in that movie, he would have shown up?

SPEAKER_06 33:41

Just dull knives. He's going to make a British version called Dull Knives.

SPEAKER_08 33:45

I wanted to watch that show and I swear I looked it up, and I feel like the one that I found on Netflix wasn't the first one.

SPEAKER_07 33:51

I think I've watched the first one.

SPEAKER_06 33:53

The first one is The Family in the House and The Patriarch Dies. The second one is basically the Elon Musk ripoff where they all the these fancy type of smart people go to this island of this rich crazy guy and who they're all friends. Epstein?

SPEAKER_08 34:18

Yeah, I I want to watch them. I thought they looked they looked interesting. I just never got around to that.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

They're good.

SPEAKER_08 34:25

Have you gone to the movie theater recently to watch anything? No.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

I haven't either.

SPEAKER_08 34:29

And it makes me sex. I really do enjoy movies. I went to Gladiator 2, which uh I wanted to see in on theaters. And it was it was okay. It wasn't amazing, but I didn't mind it. It was like for I knew what I was getting into. I didn't expect it to be like this giant, like new thing that blew my mind. But you know, the special effects, everything was kind of cool. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 34:50

Would you go to like a boutique movie theater where it was smaller, more intimate?

SPEAKER_06 34:57

That was my first job. Was working it with him. I was four. Well, yeah, like it was just the small old town theaters, like before the Cineplexes became a thing. Right. Like we had the two there was there was two, they were a block away from each other in downtown. There was there was the one that had the three, and then the one that just had the one. That used to be like an old tiny theater, true theater that they put a screen into. That was my first job at 14.

SPEAKER_07 35:20

I just feel like movie theaters are slowly obviously going the way of Blockbuster. Yep. I agree. I think. I agree. Would you go to a movie theater? So say the screen is let's like twice the size of this wall. Okay. And there's only like 15, 20 people in there.

SPEAKER_06 35:34

Yeah, I I I think you're right. I think they got to do something. Like there's the VIP theaters, right? Have you gotten those?

SPEAKER_08 35:39

In Calgary. So that's I I think we're just in our town, is it's kind of the old. It's not really the new one. So the new ones in Calgary are like, first of all, they're super expensive, which is another problem. But they're like loungers. You you go in there, you can sit, people you can order food. There's waiters brought to you.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

That sounds nice.

SPEAKER_08 35:57

So it's very different, and but it but it costs like you go out for um a movie and you get some food, it's gonna cost you 60, 70 bucks, probably by the end of the night. Easy. Um because I think the tickets alone are 20 something now. So it's like it, I don't know. I that that's with the way they went. They kind of went kind of more fancy in Calgary, the VIP ones. All the new ones are like that. And then I mean ours is just the old one, it always has been think of the size of those buildings.

SPEAKER_07 36:25

Yeah, they're huge, right? I just I don't I'd love to know if the economics are working for any of them still. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 36:31

Would you want to see like uh a brand big blockbuster movie on a small screen?

SPEAKER_07 36:37

No, but I also don't overly want to see it on a movie.

SPEAKER_06 36:40

To be fair, a a a room with the wall twice the size is is in my building. We have that theater screen. Can we just come there? Yeah, yeah, sure. But it it just I I get what you're saying, but it doesn't, it definitely doesn't have the and our thing is built to be looking at like a theater, but it doesn't have the same.

SPEAKER_08 36:57

And I I like I still like going to the theater. Like I would I if there was good movies coming out, I would want to go like every week. What's the next big movie coming out that you want to go see? I don't know. Like that's the thing, is I don't know what's coming out.

SPEAKER_03 37:07

I haven't heard anything that would be there's the uh the the Fantastic Four. It's like the fourth time they tried that movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 37:16

And uh And is it are they gonna get it are they gonna get it this time?

SPEAKER_06 37:19

If I just say big Marvel movies, there's a Fantastic Four. There is the um Thunderbolts, and then right away the first one is that Captain America movie. Yeah. It's Anthony Mackey.

SPEAKER_08 37:28

And I'll no, I'm to be honest, I'll probably go watch it, but I'm not super excited about it.

SPEAKER_07 37:31

Sorry, they're doing another Captain America?

SPEAKER_08 37:33

It's coming out right away. Yeah, it's like the uh what's the name? Falcon not Falcon. Well he was Falcon, but now he's Captain America. The black guy, he's like Anthony Mackey.

SPEAKER_07 37:41

Now he's Captain America?

SPEAKER_08 37:42

Yeah, yeah, he became You're not caught up on Marvel.

SPEAKER_06 37:45

He becomes Captain America a while ago. And he had his own TV show, which was awful.

SPEAKER_08 37:53

I didn't mind I didn't mind it. I still don't mind Marvel. I know it's like I know it's old and I don't know. I did I think I'm still hopeful that they'll bring together a storyline that in the end is worth watching them, like uh Thanos and all that stuff, how the that whole like that all of those movies led up to this gigantic, I think, really cool ending of the story. And and I think that was I think it it was worth it to kind of go through all those movies, and some are better than others for sure. But you get to this the end game literally, yeah, and it was like okay, this is kind of cool to see how they brought all of this together. So sorry.

SPEAKER_07 38:29

Just smashing the microphone.

SPEAKER_08 38:33

Um but and so I'm still hopeful they they ha can maybe do that with this all these new people, but I don't love all of the characters that they're trying to do with.

SPEAKER_06 38:42

You don't well who's their next Robert Downey? Yeah, I don't know. Who's their next Chris Devens? Right? They don't they don't they don't have the tent pole actors that people have now bought in? Like so they have a the next big like you said, so they started this whole new chapter, the next the ending of which uh is gonna be uh the the doom, uh Avengers Doom. Right. So it's where Doctor Doom does whatever he's gonna do. Um but Robert Downey Jr. is playing Doctor Doom now, right? He's no longer Iron Man, and they've they've recast him now to come back and play Victor Von Doom.

SPEAKER_08 39:11

But what happened? Because didn't they have uh wasn't the idea to have that Kang the Conqueror, but then that guy ended up getting charged for domestic.

SPEAKER_06 39:21

And they they scrapped that whole series, which I mean both I don't I didn't I didn't like the whole thing, but I don't think they just have anyone to carry it. And look, Anthony Mackey, he's a great supporting actor, but like he can't carry a show, like he just he just doesn't have it. Like, did you watch the uh what was that Netflix show? Oh at first it had the first season. Ah Jesus Christ, what was the guy's name? Hmm, he was like a bounty hunter where they had the chipsets in the back of the brain. Yes, yeah where they everyone everyone was basically on a chip, and you got a new body depending on how much money he had.

SPEAKER_07 39:55

Great movie. What the heck was that called? Or a great show? Yeah, Altering Carbon.

SPEAKER_06 39:58

Yeah, so that first season was Altering Carbon. Carbon. Really amazing. So good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

But then what happened in the second season?

SPEAKER_06 40:03

Yeah, not a good idea. They put Anthony Mack in it. Yeah. And and it just yeah, he just doesn't.

SPEAKER_07 40:08

He just he just doesn't have it. He just doesn't have it. Yeah. Did you watch the third season of that?

SPEAKER_06 40:13

I didn't know there was a third season. I didn't know there was one. Oh, there's only two.

SPEAKER_07 40:16

Uh I think there was a third one with an Asian guy.

SPEAKER_06 40:18

I have not seen one. I I kind of I got through that second. I'm like, all right, Anthony.

SPEAKER_07 40:22

That was I hate it when TV shows do that to you, and they you the first season you're like, this is incredible. Yeah. I can't wait to get into this. And then they just completely bonk.

SPEAKER_06 40:35

Yeah. It bonks good.

SPEAKER_08 40:36

So I'm just looking up uh anticipated movie releases for 2025. And the only one so yeah, Captain America's in February, uh the uh new Superman.

SPEAKER_07 40:46

Okay, but hold on. Like, why are we, as somebody who's not nearly as into this as you guys, at what point did these universes, freaking comic, whatever these organizations, Marvel, what what would you call it? Like, is it like a like a world, uh a world of characters? Sure.

SPEAKER_06 41:03

Like there's the Marvel world. What the hell is Marvel? So Marvel's the company that owns all of these characters.

SPEAKER_07 41:09

So all these movies, they own all these characters and they pump out all these movies. Yeah, and their initial success was based on the fact that everybody watched these or read these comics as kids.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 41:21

Like, are we just what point do they just say, like, okay, we're good, we're done. Like, let's just stop watching.

SPEAKER_06 41:26

Like, and and but that's a good question. Like, like, I don't think a Marvel movie has made money outside of Deadpool in probably like the last seven movies. They've lost money. You think they've lost money?

SPEAKER_03 41:37

Or do you think they've really lost well for sure they have.

SPEAKER_06 41:39

Like the Marvels and like some of the lowest viewer rates they've had. Their TV shows have been garbage with no one watching them. I got rid of Disney like a month, like a year ago. And because Disney bought Marvel, so they they own it now. But I I think they just still hope to have these big temple movies like the Avengers, and but they also they just don't have the Avengers anymore. Like they just those characters aren't there anymore. They got rid of them, and I they don't have another character to replace them.

SPEAKER_07 42:02

Well, no, I but I I even feel like being not like somebody who was not part of you know didn't really grow up with comics, Iron Man was fucking cool. Yeah. But it was novel, right? There was novelty to it. Now, every time like you guys talk about, like, I'm not gonna go see any of these fucking movies. I could care less. Yeah, you're not as big a nerd as we are. No, I know, but the thing is movies like Iron Man sucked me in despite not being a nerd. Sure, I understand that, right?

SPEAKER_06 42:25

It was it was a fun movie. And but that how much that was Robert Downey.

SPEAKER_07 42:28

Yeah. But a lot of it, but it also then generated me being interested in like and it was good enough that it got me into like another seven or eight movies after. You know what I mean? Right? Like I didn't know any of the backstory, but hey, all the Ironmans, a lot of the Marvel, a lot of the Avengers. Yeah. And then at some point you're like, okay, it's saturated, it tapers off. I'm like, I'm done tapping out.

SPEAKER_06 42:46

Yeah. And and you're the market. Totally. Right? Like it's not it's not us as comic book fans, because they know we're always gonna show up or they will show up, but like it's you who are just kind of like, yeah, okay, I know who Iron Man is, right? Yeah. But like who's Kane the Conqueror? Who's Doctor Doom? Totally. Who's Mr. Fantastic? Who's the thing, right? It's just none of those mean anything to you, right? So if they don't do it well.

SPEAKER_07 43:08

And that's why I think like DC comics, again, I liked Batman.

SPEAKER_08 43:12

Yeah. Yeah, but they've never that's the thing, is so they've never done a good job in that with the DC universe, has never done a good job, uh, some sort of continuity of of stories. And then like so that they're rebooting Superman again. So they're doing a new Superman movie this year. And I mean, I'm not just seeing the seeing the trailer, I'm like, eh, like I'm I'm gonna watch it because Superman's like I love Superman. Yeah, but I don't know, like I have no idea if I'm gonna like it or not. I liked I didn't mind I liked actually what they were doing with Justice League and stuff, to be honest. Like, I know there's some cheesiness there, but like I Henry Cavilla Superman was thus amazing. Um I don't know. Anyway, like there's just there's uh that's the problem, is like I'm not seeing so other than those, it's I'll probably just go watch because I'm a nerd and I'll go watch them. There's nothing popping out other than Mission the last Mission Impossible, which I just have to finish it because I've seen all of the other ones.

SPEAKER_06 44:00

Yeah. I rewatched them all lately. Yeah. He's batshit crazy, but shock he can make a good movie. Like they're just entertaining to watch. What's your favorite Mission Impossible movie?

SPEAKER_08 44:14

It's probably what's the one where he I think it's not two or three, it's when they have that biological weapon, uh uh and that actor that died.

SPEAKER_06 44:25

Oh, Phillips Moore Hoffman. Yeah, number three. Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. That's also my favorite.

SPEAKER_07 44:29

He had a great performance in that movie.

SPEAKER_06 44:30

Oh, he made the the villain makes the movie for sure. And he's he was such a good fucking actor, man.

SPEAKER_08 44:36

But same with all the new bonds with uh Daniel Craig. Like I liked all of them. Like there are some are better than others for sure. But I mean Casino Royale, I think, was probably the best just because that's that's when it came back out.

SPEAKER_07 44:46

And but Casino Royale is the best because it was such a departure from the feel of like my Pierce Brosnan. Yeah, Pierce Brosnan was right. It was greedy.

SPEAKER_08 44:54

And it was believable. It was like, okay, this guy, I believe this guy can do this stuff. Yeah, it wasn't like Pierce Brosnan, who's like he's like soft. He's like, I don't think you can do that.

SPEAKER_06 45:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:05

So good. And Eva Green was like super hot.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

I okay. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 45:11

I mean, I get it, but I I've never I don't know. I've never I've I don't know why Daniel Craig's James Bond was so smitten over Ava Green.

SPEAKER_08 45:21

That's true. Like she wasn't she wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Yeah, she's pretty much. She was smart, I guess. But like I mean, it's like yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_06 45:28

Yeah, bro. Like you known her for two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Like, get her off.

SPEAKER_06 45:30

Yeah, and he was like, he's like he's so smitten like she's the most gorgeous thing in the world. It's like, yeah, I mean, no, she's not, right? Like she's fine. But and I, yeah, that that yeah, I I never I never really bought into it.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Yeah, because that that ruined him for like the next four movies.

SPEAKER_06 45:43

Oh, the whole the rest of it's all about him just pining over her. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know if she's worth uh, get over it. She had bags under her eyes.

SPEAKER_07 45:52

Arguably the girl from Ski Hill. What which one was that? Halleberry. No, no, no. Swordfish. Um, it was it was like it was after Christina Royale, like two after, maybe three. They're on Ski Hill. It's that like blonde chick. Um I have to watch these ones over again.

SPEAKER_06 46:12

It's been a while. Yeah, I'm gonna have to look this up because she was so good looking. Who's who's the next James Bond? Okay, let me say this. I want I don't want to know who the next James Bond is, but what should the next James Bond iteration be? Because we have heard everything from woman of color to man of color to gay guy to straight white guy. None of that matters, right? But that's kind of all that people are talking about.

SPEAKER_08 46:35

But that's what's so annoying. None of that matters. I could care less.

SPEAKER_06 46:39

So, what matters to you for a bond?

SPEAKER_08 46:41

Some somebody who's believable in the role, somebody who like is actually, I think, could be a spy, has some physicality to actually do the things that they're gonna be getting them to do. Yeah, uh, and a good storyline. I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 46:55

So if it was Juliet Bond, that'd be okay.

SPEAKER_08 46:57

Sure, as long as they're not having her like fight some six foot five dude hand-to-hand combat, because it yeah, that's stupid.

SPEAKER_06 47:03

See, I would I disagree, and it's I I think it's I it it's a character, right? And it's a character that was written a long time ago, and it's to change it simply for the fact of today's modern audiences, you just you're taking with because you can easily just make a female spy kick ass. Like, what was the one? Um, it was like she uh oh jeez, what's her name? She was in the 60s, she was a spy, and it was a really good show, and it was really cool and punky, and she she did ran around, did a bunch of cool ass stuff.

SPEAKER_08 47:31

But yeah. I I think if they do that, but here's the here's my problem with with the Hollywood stuff and and the DEI and just trying to make like makeup. I've heard that deal a lot. What is DEI? You don't you you you seriously don't know? I seriously don't know. Diversity, equity, and inclusion. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 47:43

I I I just saw it all in the also it was all over the media. They were talking about, oh, DEI brought the plate now. I'm like, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_08 47:49

Uh so the idea is you you're are you are you serious?

SPEAKER_06 47:53

I'm dead serious. I had no idea what it meant.

SPEAKER_08 47:55

So that is basically the policy that they've been trying to enforce on everyone's throat that like uh we need we need everyone represented. We need people, we need to bring in diversity, equity, inclusion into everything in the world. Doesn't matter your qualifications. Hey, we don't have enough, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 48:08

It's the opposite of a meritocracy.

SPEAKER_08 48:10

Yeah, we don't have enough uh females in this role, so we need more females, don't care if they could do the job as well as the other people. We just need the that we need and we don't have this type of race or this type of thing. That's that's what DI, and that's why the for the pilot thing they were saying that there were people who were actually called are the air traffic control, people who are actually qualified air traffic controllers didn't get a job, and these people who have lesser grades would get in. It's all that stuff. It's the lack of merit based and more just based on purely what do they look like, what's your background, what do you think about yourself, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06 48:40

So anyway, I had to I had to I had to chat GPT what meritocracy meant.

SPEAKER_08 48:45

Sorry. Uh so the whole point of this is like I I again I don't I honestly could care less who the bond is, but uh they just have to make it believable. So if it's a female uh bond, it's completely fine, but just again, make it believable, make it so that like um when she does what she does or when she has like these combat scenes or fight scenes that it would make sense for a person of that of that gender and stature to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 49:10

Yeah, you can't have a hundred-pound girl throwing a 30-pound dude or something.

SPEAKER_08 49:12

Which which like uh there's ways that that they can make that work, but it would have to be through like subterfuge and like other different ways to like make it happen.

SPEAKER_06 49:19

Uh like um um uh Tigris? No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 49:23

Lioness. Lioness, yeah. And I was resistant 100%. I was resistant to watching that show initially because I'm like, this is gonna be some garbage show. It was actually very crazy. It's great because they lean into that show completely. They lean into it and they don't get crazy with like like some of the the girls, the lionesses get the shit beat out of them by these dudes until they get the upper hand and shoot the guy in the face. Yeah, because they because I mean a gun equals the playing field. Uh but they do a good job of like not saying, well, I'm just uh there's this tough chick and she's gonna beat up these dudes like straight up hand to hand. Well, that's not gonna happen unless it's like insanely anyway. Anyway, point is there's a way to do it, right? But the mut the the skippery part of the part that Hollywood tries to do sometimes is feed you that uh well I can do anything, like she can do anything he can do. Well, no, he can't she can't, and that's okay, but they just do it the right way so that you you use that to the advantage. Like it is what it is. There's that uh what's that one with the Russian uh where it's like the it's it's there's the the Marvel side of it, the red room thing, which is but it's similar where there's Red Sparrow. Yeah, where there's like the Russian uh program where they have these hot chicks basically like seduce the guys and then murder them.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

No one no one is better at human source management than the Russians. There you go. Like they have been they were good at it in the 50s and they have been kicking ass with it fucking ever since.

SPEAKER_08 50:37

Yeah, and but they used again, they they used human biology. Guess what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

Guys get horny and they'll tell secrets.

SPEAKER_08 50:45

There's the hot chick.

SPEAKER_04 50:46

They learned that a long time ago, and they said, We'll just put you in front of it. Show him your bulbs, it never would. Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 50:52

And then they they did that and they used it, right? But anyway, like I the job's me insane when people uh care about because I think that's the that's the that's what I think is funny, is that there's people who literally care if it's uh what who about who the person is versus the actual storyline. Like not like who just build it properly. Do do a good job.

SPEAKER_07 51:11

I don't think they care about who the person is. I think they care about living in a world where that exists. Because that nobody's actually gives a shit that like, oh, like it's a female bond. They just care that we live in a world. Does that make sense? No, but the people do care. No, I don't I don't I I I think people that say like, oh, I like the next few the next bond has to be a female, they don't actually care who the female is, right? They just care that they live in a world where somebody can be appointed based on their identity. Yeah, that's what it's like. We're saying the same thing. Okay, probably.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

Um I feel like you guys are on the same level.

SPEAKER_07 51:44

Wow, it's like we're arguing about the same point. Uh my question would be like, why does the bond thing have to keep going? Why can't we just wind this up?

SPEAKER_06 51:52

There's so many characters in the world because they still make money.

SPEAKER_07 51:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:55

That's that's oh if they're still gonna make money, they're still gonna do it.

SPEAKER_07 51:58

But they still make money because there's some consistency, like there's a known brand or a known name versus like taking a leap and going out and trying a new character and potentially having much more success, right? Like it's all messed up.

SPEAKER_08 52:10

Uh but it's that's that's that's not a known. Like that's that's like from a studio perspective, it's like they can say, hey, if we do the same formula with the same name or recognition, we know we're probably gonna make X amount of dollars minimum.

SPEAKER_07 52:22

But they lose the I think they lose again. I if I am the target market, the person doesn't watch all this stuff. I haven't gone to a theater and seen a James Bond movie since this the one after Casino Royale. I just whatever. I don't care.

SPEAKER_08 52:35

Yeah, but what's gonna get you to the theater? Is like I don't know what would.

SPEAKER_07 52:39

At this point, I it like a dog Tom Cruise movie? Yeah. Right? Exactly. Top Gun was the last movie I should live to. But it was also good because there was like a visceral experience with some of the things. I was actually surprised how good that was.

SPEAKER_06 52:49

It was in my uh top ten of the last decade movies.

SPEAKER_08 52:52

Um I wasn't uh looking, I was uh I definitely wasn't expecting it to be that good.

SPEAKER_06 52:57

Neither was I. I I truly wasn't, and I wasn't really gonna go because I hate sequels that shit on the old ones. Yeah. Uh and my buddy Rand asked me to go and I cried twice in the theater. Wow. Wasn't ready for. Uh Val Kilmer, did he get you? Oh, he got me. Oh, Iceman. Yeah. Got right to me. He got me too. Got right to me. Okay, so with that my sorry, to back my second question about the bot thing to you guys now that we've aired our grievances. Who amongst your how what uh what episode are you on? What episode is this? 63. Oh, I'll never forgive you for not having me on for 69. Um we're not there.

SPEAKER_08 53:29

We're not there yet. We got it.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

Can I come back? Yeah. Um Whom amongst your guests, they can't say you, either one of you, would be the best bond. Whom amongst all of your guests, if you that's your only option to pick from, would you say you are gonna be my bond?

SPEAKER_07 53:45

Let's lay out some criteria. What what is our our assessment criteria for?

SPEAKER_06 53:50

That's between you two. You guys decide your bond.

SPEAKER_08 53:54

Uh the first person that came to my mind out of everyone we've had on here would be Matthew. He'd be a different type of bond.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Do I know Matthew?

SPEAKER_08 54:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 54:05

Matthew Champagne.

SPEAKER_07 54:06

Yeah, he checks all he checks a lot of the DEI boxes.

SPEAKER_08 54:11

Uh no. No, but I just figured I feel like I feel like he's believable. He's got the glasses. So he's gonna get thrown. Yeah, he's too old. But like or do you want an old Bond? I mean, you don't want to be ageist if we didn't you don't want a 20-year-old Bond. They don't know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_06 54:28

Okay, yeah, fair. That's what I'm asking.

SPEAKER_08 54:30

Um except that uh Kingsman, yeah, the Kingsman movie. Yeah, really good. Really good. And like that dude was like 20. Yeah. And he I I really like that movie. I actually went back and watched the first one again. It's it's a fun movie. Such a fun movie.

SPEAKER_07 54:42

It's a fun movie. I think I think I'm going with Tony. Like our Tony? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:53

I don't know. Okay, you just you're just saying that's what's you gotta give me reasons why. Well he dresses well. He does.

SPEAKER_07 55:01

He has a very good pedagogy, he's got a pedagogue, very high sense of style. He's unassuming. He's so unassuming. Yeah. Uh he can he's culturally fluid. That's true. That's true. He can fit in anywhere. Um he's fit. Yep. But doesn't look like it.

SPEAKER_06 55:20

True, yeah, that's true too. You could hide him, you could hide him under a baggy. I apologize on his behalf or a beggy suit and he takes it off at one point, you're like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 55:30

I didn't mean that to sound mean by any stretcher. Just said.

SPEAKER_06 55:34

I would like I, you know what if I was like if I was a geologist being attacked by a group of terrorists because I knew of a certain type of rock, but then he saved me and took me on a yacht in southern Greece, I would feel safe and protected if it was Tony. So that that's a good bond. I think that's a good factor for a bond, right?

SPEAKER_07 55:52

Yeah, like if if if if they call me Dr. Shale. Like if you end up on a boat with with uh JB's pick, right? After you're gonna be like, I know what I have to do now, damn it.

SPEAKER_06 56:04

Yeah. We're compared to stop with BJ Store.

SPEAKER_08 56:08

Uh for the same reason that I wouldn't never have picked myself in this conversation is why I wouldn't have picked Tony. Just too short. Tiny little boys. Too short. It is what it is. Like I feel like Bond's gotta be like that's the only reason you wouldn't have picked yourself.

SPEAKER_07 56:22

The only, the only thing. 100%. It didn't mean to sound that way. Like I just at no point did I even consider myself.

SPEAKER_08 56:33

I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 56:33

I actually made that a rule at the outset.

SPEAKER_08 56:35

I know that, but I'm saying even if it wasn't a rule, I wouldn't have considered myself because I you have to be like a different certain body type in my mind to be Bond. Okay. And I'm not that body type.

SPEAKER_06 56:45

That's fair. That's you answered my question. That's one of the know. So Matt, Tony.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:50

Okay. Uh, if they fought, who is it chase bonds? Who would win?

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Matt. Matt. You think so? He's been on the jujitsu train as solid for a little bit. Yeah, but is that just something old middle-aged white guys do?

SPEAKER_06 57:00

Like there's like jujitsu. You're welcome to come out and find out. No, because I'm old and white and middle enough, aged enough to know I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_08 57:08

First of all, you're younger than all of us.

SPEAKER_07 57:10

I live in an old folks' home. It's true. He's not younger than all of us. Okay, one of not one of us.

SPEAKER_06 57:15

I'm the middle ground. You know, I'm still young enough to get it, but old enough to be in bed by night.

SPEAKER_09 57:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:21

Yeah. Yeah. Who who would you who would you pick of our guests? Um so you you said Matthew, and I thought of the friend you had on. Oh god, I'm not gonna know the number of the episode, but it's a friend I don't know. Um was it his neighbor? Maybe it was that. Sorry, maybe I'm looking at the wrong person. Was it your your friend that you had on? And he had said something along the lines of like wilderness survival. Yeah, I was very captivated by what he was saying, and I said, and I thought, you know what, this guy, I I would go on playing craft with this guy.

SPEAKER_07 57:57

I could see it.

SPEAKER_06 57:57

Yeah, that was so what's his name? Johannes. Johannes, exactly, it was a weird name. Yeah, so that that guy. That would be my guess. How does he look for Bond? I don't know what he looks like.

SPEAKER_07 58:08

Um he does not look like Bond. Okay. But he also he's got a like a really like he's he's got a hard working beard. A hard working beard. Uh I've seen him clean shaven, and I could see him like you put a suit and tie on him. So he could be there. He could be there.

SPEAKER_06 58:25

Okay. So I'd say Johannes. Yeah, yeah. Johannes Bond. Yeah. Yeah, JB.

SPEAKER_07 58:30

Yeah. There you go. I yeah, that's my answer. That's fine. I can see that happening. He's got some skills. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:34

If it had to be you or Corbin, who would it be? Probably Corbin. Honestly, yeah. He he just he he has Corbin has this way where it doesn't really matter what situation he's in or how wrong he is. Like he could he could be that guy tied to the chair naked with his balls hanging below the thing, and the guy walking around with a giant fucking rope. And Corbin will answer with the confidence of being so right in that situation that even that torture will be like, fuck it, do I have the wrong guy?

SPEAKER_03 59:12

Maybe this isn't the guy.

SPEAKER_06 59:14

I just he just he just has the the confidence and stare, like that mixture of dad's stare, but just the overarching. Yeah. I I think he would get farther along where I would walk up and have a cigarette in my hand and obviously not know what I'm doing, but yes, I'm James Bond.

SPEAKER_07 59:37

Yeah, I'd be dead pretty quick. So on that on that topic then. I don't think I could like I think if I had some secrets and somebody tortured me to get hit.

SPEAKER_08 59:50

I like this. Yeah, I like this question too. How long would you last through torture to not divulge a secret?

SPEAKER_07 59:56

Like I think like you stand near me with like a lighter, I'm gonna be like, Yeah, I'll tell you. Just turn that off. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:01

Okay. So let's say this. Okay, let's make this though uh harder. So what if that secret means that so we got different levels to this game. What if that secret means that your child is now uh in in danger. How in danger? Like death. Death lead.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:19

Well then I'm not tied to the chair with the gun. I guess I'm taking it. Like there's of course there's levels. Right. I was talking about like state secrets.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:29

Yeah. So you're like, there's so there's levels, right? But then there's okay, so now there's like, okay, if you have a state secret that if you tell it, um, I don't know. Like a building falls over? Sure. Building falls over and probably kills a thousand people. Like a but nobody you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Yeah, would you know? How much torture? How much can we torture you? So are we like pulling off one fingernail?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:54

See the night. That's where I draw the line, fingernails, I think. Like you can burn me a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:57

Oh just a little wax. It's okay. A tad of birds. Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

Oh, just oh good. I don't like it. Stop it. Oh my god. Ooh, I smell that. Singing.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:07

But I mean, I but that's the point, right? That's your only job. If you're being tortured, and let's say you have real-world secrets, your only job is to hold out for like two days. Because after 48 hours, anything you have knowledge of is gone.

unknown 1:01:23

Right?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:23

That's how that's how it works. So if you're an American spy and you get caught by the Russians, you only have to hold out for two days.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:30

Because you're saying after that you don't remember because you're not.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:32

No, because after that, they know you're caught, and everything you would have known or touched is changed. Because you're gone, right? So they know you're going to crack. Everyone is going to crack under torture.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:42

Do you know this? You're seeing you're speaking like very authoritative. I watch 100%. I watch movies. 100%.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:46

So but that's that's why. So you only have to hold out for like two days. Because by that time Two days is a long time. Yeah, it can be. And I'm sure it is when you're being tortured. That's all you gotta do. Two days because by then nothing, nothing is recent enough where they could use what you give them.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:59

Uh okay. But I guess that, but I guess that's what where it's interesting because people who like it just the mindset you're you would have to be in to feel like it is so important not to tell this thing through all of that. Yeah. Like I like for me, it's like, yeah, you say my family's at risk or my what kids at risk. Okay, it's a yeah, I get it. But then if it's like, well, if I say this, then you know the government, I don't like I don't know. It's it seems like a different thing. Other spies will die. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:29

But that's why the Americans started doing it differently. That's why they kind of stopped doing the torture thing. Well, I mean, Guantanamo will happen, but that's why they'll they'll do the deprivation for like a day or two to just fuck with you so you don't they're not physically harming you, but they won't let you sleep if they fuck with your mind.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:43

I think they're probably stuff physically hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:44

And then people, but they don't have to, because then by the time you're so fucked, they're gonna let you crash for 12 hours and wake you up and put you in front of a like a big dinner, like they did in Zero Dark 30, how they got Osama. And they put you in front of a big dinner and say, Hey man, thanks. You told us, and then they'll have a news reel of a place being bombed. Like, yeah, man, you already told us what we did. Awesome, thanks. Yeah, eat up fucking high five, bro. And he says, Oh, okay, I guess I already told them. And then they'll say, Okay, so that one's gone. You know, what will those guys do again? Like they just they just they fuck with them that way because they they get better results. I like that because they're they're conscious, they're they're getting better information by you just fucking with their brain. What about waterboarding? I mean, that's just fun, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:22

That's just you get to I want to try and I okay. Here it comes.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:27

You're gonna give me I'm here and you're gonna make me mad.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:30

It looks uh waterboarding looks like it shouldn't work. It works? Yeah. So I I heard Tim Kennedy talk about this, and because he had somebody say, like, hey, like I I want you to try to like waterboard, like I think I could deal with it. I want you to waterboard. He's like, you don't understand. Like you can't if if I if you wanted me to do it for real, first of all, I mean you I can't do it to you because you know me, I'm your friend or whatever, it's not gonna work because you don't you don't believe that I'm actually going to let you drown to death and die. He's like, Whereas like when it's people who you know don't know you and they they actually have the belief of, oh, this isn't gonna end, and I'm I'm gonna keep suffering and drowning basically and I'm gonna get till I die. It I mean it's like the psychological factor of it, of yes, it's physical, but it's also the psychological factor that you can't really do, like, hey bro, let's just try waterboarding each other and see how it goes. Yeah, because it's not the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:25

Okay, I don't I take that back. I don't want to be waterboarded.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:28

But there's like there's like those like what do they call them? Like those dark touristy places that you can go to like Eastern Europe and sign up for like uh like the hostile movie type things where you can see, yeah. So there's different calibers of level you can choose to be tortured. So there's like the PG version or like a hard R where they like cut you and shit. What? Or you can sign up for like a weekend of being tortured. What to kind of go through for it? I'm assuming there's something in the background, but like you sign up for like you can like the PG one that just don't let you sleep, they might throw water on you, but are they all the way up to like you do that? Because people are fucking weird, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:00

Like, I know you could go, I'd be interested in I mean it'd be it'd be kind of insane, but I'd be interested to see the museums of like the torture, like the old like medieval torture things. Like that would be interesting to see.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:10

Oh, like where they like cracking. Yeah, I just want like stretchers. To see the actual machines like in real life.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:17

It's like bringing the cat! The stretchers, yeah. I I think it'd be interesting to see the actual physical like uh mechanisms that they used in real life, it'd be like mess, it'd be messed up, but it'd be like, holy crap, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:31

Like our torturing seemingly has gotten a lot more humane, I think. I think so.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:34

Well, yeah. What's insane to me is like you if you can think uh I don't think there's anything that you could think of right now that hasn't been done to a human.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:42

No, not even close. Which is messed up. There's shit that's happened that we wouldn't even think about. Well, that's exactly my point.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:48

It's like is we're not like super depraved human beings, so it's like Yes, I don't have any ideas of what I would do to you soon. But like that's it, that's the crazy part, is like, so then our minds are are can't even imagine, and anything we can imagine has for sure been done. And then you're like, then it's beyond things that we can't even think about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:09

We haven't actually nailed this down though. So you're a spy. If you disclose your secrets, ten of your fellow spy mates that you've worked with for the last 13 years will die. Where do you draw the line?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:19

I don't know. You're it it doesn't matter. You you just it's just time because you are going to spill your secrets. There's there's no world in which you don't give it up.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:27

Yeah, because that's all fake, right? Like in the movies, like at some point.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:29

There's there's no world because there's no world you can show up. Because you also have to realize if you are not going to give it to them, they are going to kill you. Right. Right? But if you give them something, they might just use turn you and trade you for one of their.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:40

But I think at some point those people would be like, okay, then like they're they're okay with that. Like kill me. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I think that like I think that people who are would be trying to not divulge secrets, ultimately you would be like, Yeah, just shoot me in the face. Like, I'm I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:55

Which is also probably why I think when they would select spies, I would assume they would pick people without families. Yeah, for sure. Because as soon as you have some things that can be leveraged against you, if they're like, hey, spill your secrets or your family's gonna be hurt, I'd be like, Oh, how would you like me to draw all these secrets in how much detail? Yeah, exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:11

But that's but that's why the Russians always make spy families because no one suspects the guy with the wife, right? Because of that reason. Right. But that's why they make these spy families go all out together, and they're just they're all spies, but they pretend to be married and and bang and do all that kind of stuff for like decades.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:26

Yeah, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, by the way, I've been selling secrets.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:29

Like, could you imagine living that life? Like, you have your wife, like everything is as it is today, but in reality, you're just both working for the government of a different country.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:38

That'd be kind of cool. Like, we like well, you at a certain point you I think you would like start believing the lie.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:45

You do you would because by biologically, you spend that much time with somebody, you're going to biologically have connections to them, right? For sure. So could you could you then after 10 years like, all right, see ya. I'm I'm going to to training and you're going to to liberati school.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:00

It'd be super yeah, it'd be hard very hard. I don't think they have a choice, but it'd be yeah, it would be very difficult.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:05

I also don't really know what spies do. Like I know that generally most of these intelligence organizations uh organizations do human source management, which I think most of these are. Mostly human source management, yeah. Yeah. But there's other shit that spies do, right? Like like state secrets, company secrets, infiltrating, like places like that. But I just I just like a day in life in spy.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:25

Like I honestly I think the spy stuff is way more prevalent in the private industry. Right. In reality.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:31

Well, and the question is like how much of that is even required anymore just given technology. True. Right? Like if you just have a good enough hacker who can get into something and get all the information, why bother with humans who are unreliable?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:42

Yeah, but I also th I in to your point of private industry though, you can't tell me that when billions of dollars are on the line, there aren't people that are spying united.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:53

Well, this was crazy about like the doge thing that Elon Musk is doing right now, like finding all of this money going to insane places uh from the taxpayers in the States. And I've actually been uh like uh Twitter has been just crazy with it lately. And the funny thing is it's like we have a ripple effect. Like we're we're Canadian, but we're attached at the hip essentially, and like things that happen there obviously have effect here. And so now we we have people who are starting to dig through some of the Canadian stuff and uh trying to like post, hey, this is why are we spending 67 million dollars for a show or for something, a program in Iraq, and why are we like all this kinds of thing? And so it's really interesting to see how like the ripple effect of just them actually doing some hey, where's this money going in the States is causing that those questions to happen in our in our country as well. And it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. But uh I've I've been really obsessed with seeing seeing that lately, and it's like he's touched one percent of government spending so far just to like trying to audit what right now, and he's found, I don't know, billions of dollars of waste. So it's like what happens when you start dealing with all the other agencies that are spending money uh for taxpayer money. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. And then we also again and how that plays out in Canada because there's there's a lot of conversations starting about the Global Affairs Canada and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:14

My um my stepmother uh was a super high executive with Air Canada for a long time. She just retired. And uh she was on the environment side, and she would have government meetings and that kind of all the time. That's because that's just what they were doing, right? Especially with the recent most recent government putting a lot of stuff on fuel consumption and all that kind of stuff with the airlines. So she would she would always say, like they would have like the four Air Canada people go on like uh a Zoom meeting or go or go to a government meeting to talk about whatever they are with the environment, and there'd be like 47 government employees on the Zoom meeting talking to them. And she was like, What the fuck are these many people doing here? She's like, Who who are they? Yeah, and why are we paying? Who am I talking to? Like, why all these people? She's like, it cannot be through all these people. Like, there's just there's so many uh employees that are just there getting paid. And she's like, there's zero reason why they there that many has to be there.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:15

I've seen so many memes of office, you've seen office space, right? Uh when they start like asking all the employees, so tell me what it is exactly you do here. And then the guy's trying to explain, well, like I take the thing and then I give it, I take the report, and then I give it to that guy, and then he takes it downstairs. So you don't take that actual report downstairs to you by yourself. Well, no, that's what I do for him. It's like, why doesn't he just grab the report and then take my job's important? I do that's what I take top. Two chicks at the same time, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:43

It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:44

Uh yeah, but it's interesting, and and I think, and this is the part that I I find insane is when people are losing their minds about it, and you're like, how is trying to root out government inefficiency bad? Like, where what part of this is bad?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:00

When well, to those people, because then potentially their jobs are on the line.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:04

Sure, but that that that becomes so transparent though. Like you obviously either know that your job is useless, like that you you are not needed, like you don't do anything productive for your country or for the organization that you say you're working for, or you know that they're gonna find out that oh, you're taking cutbacks and you're taking taxpayer money that you shouldn't be for whatever, right? So it's like all these people screaming about oh, Elon shouldn't be allowed to do this. It's like okay, let's look at this guy. What's this guy screaming? Like, what's he doing over here? Who's he getting paid by? Where's that money coming from? It just seems so crazy to me. I and I feel like uh I mean Canadian politics will be the same thing if we ever get to the point where somebody actually can dig into the what we're spending our money, our taxpayer money on.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:45

But so let me back up and ask a follow-up question I was worried about. Is that so let's say uh you guys work for Apple, okay? And you're gonna be they're gonna pay you as corporate spies to go to Microsoft to infiltrate and to get a job and to work there. Now, what you're doing is a crime. Yes. And you and they tell you if you are caught, we we you are we have nothing to do with you and you're getting charged. Like you're you're wearing it, you're done. But that's the job. How much would you need to be paid to do that job? A lot.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:20

Because like you're talking about like so like that's like you're going to jail if you get caught for that. Correct.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:23

Oh, yeah, because like corporate espionage is is very much a crime in the state. So you would you would 100% be going to jail if you were caught.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:28

Yeah, I think I I think I'd be good at that.

unknown 1:13:31

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:31

So how much like how much would that how much would that risk cost be for you to take that job? And you're let's say you can you're gonna do 25 years of Microsoft working there, uh, but the whole time you're spying for Apple and stealing what secrets you can with with the chance that if you are caught, you are going to jail.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:46

Do I get to I get to name my number? Yeah, name your number four million a year. Four million?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:51

Wow, that's high. That's I mean, but it makes sense. Um I don't know. I don't know what my number is. Because you still get paid by Microsoft, so you're making whatever, a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, maybe make Microsoft. Yeah. Uh I'd say a mil a year would be like I'd start thinking about it seriously.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:10

Okay. Do I get to move up in Microsoft? Like at some point, can I be?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:14

Well, I think they want you to go as far as you can, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:15

So at some point I'm the CEO of Microsoft.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:19

We are now Apple and you press the button and just install all the windows changed to Apples.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:24

You've secretly been installing that for the last 20 years. Where do you get a shade window from?

SPEAKER_08 1:14:29

How did you put that in? That's a tough one. I don't know. Man, and I think it would also depend on like what is expected of you like from like a productivity standpoint. Like, is there saying you have to provide X amount per year? So it's like, is the pressure there to like that is enough where you're having to like sneak around but and you're increasing your chance of getting caught? Or is it like, hey, when you stumble across something that isn't super obvious that that you're that is not crazy enough that if you grab it, you're gonna get caught. So like hey, it comes across your desk, you're like, oh, I'm gonna shut that down, send that over. Um, or is it like you're gonna have to go out and like dig through some file cabinets in the middle of the night to find some.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:07

Yeah, I assume it's what it is, but so like so that's a good point. Like, I would also, I was thinking like five myself, so four, five, one, but someone like Robert Hansen, who was a spy for Russia in the FBI for 25 years, he he got like five million dollars. A year? No, just all together, or that entire time from Russia to do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:26

That seems not enough to be worth it, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:15:28

Yeah, I mean he was caught after a while.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:30

I also think though you have to be consider who you're spying for. Like, if I'm spying for Russia, that's a big commitment. If I'm spying for Apple, like at some point you can go to Apple and be like, hey, I'm done. I guess that's fair.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:40

I guess I guess if you're spying for a country, it's it's more your team. Well, and you probably not gonna get murdered.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:45

Generally, Apple, I don't think, puts, you know, like radioactive isotopes in door handles. Exactly. Yeah, you're probably not gonna get murdered from Apple if you're like, hey, I can't do this anymore. What if you were though? What if Apple's out there can't be able to do that? Oh, maybe they are hit squads.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:56

They might be. Just apples roll out. Them and Hillary Clinton just instead of waterboarding, they just pour apples up your head.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:02

There's I'm sure there's corporations out there that I do do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:06

For sure. What was the what's the one everyone's uh uh whistleblowers keep getting thrown out of windows? Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean is it? It's like three in a row that have been murdered. Accidents, you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:14

It's like three in a row. Things happen. Whistleblower one dead.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:17

Oh like the one that was supposed to testify in front of Congress last year or something like that, and the day before you were supposed to testify. You're like, come on.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:24

Yeah, that's like yeah, I couldn't. Really? I mean I believe Mockham's razor, but that's a pretty close to the edge.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:30

Yeah, like you couldn't kill him a week ago. Yeah, yeah. You had to wait the day before. Oh crap, we forgot about that guy. Go get him.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:36

We heard the spy John Brunning at Microsoft kill him. He's like, oh shit. I gotta go get him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:43

I'd like to. I'd what if it was like happening in like grocery stores? Hey, like you're like loblaws is just infiltrated.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:52

I think any here's the problem though. I think honestly, anytime there's like a gigantic sum of money involved, it's very, very possible people are getting murdered over it. Sure. Like it's it doesn't matter what the corporation is. I think if you're talking about you know multi-million dollars, sure, but that will how is that taking place?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:09

Because I I would assume A, the executives in these places have some plausible deniability. Yeah. Who actually I'm sure man, there's got to be books about this, but who actually would be the person being like, if you're the CEO and you come to me and you say, you know, you know what, man? Uh JB's company is causing us a lot of problems, you know, they're eating our profit margins, they're stealing our secrets. I need you to deal with it.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:28

And me with but you winked when you did it.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:31

Yeah, but like he's also got stuff in his eye. So I don't know, right? And then me being your right hand man, left-hand man, because on your last one. I'm like, hey, so he wants me to deal with it. Oh fuck it, I'm just gonna kill him.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:44

Right. But if I if I pulled you in and I was the boss coming and I said, CJ, like running over at Safeway is is causing problems that can't be caused anymore, and I need that dealt with. I'm telling you to murder him. Like I feel that even though I don't say it, I'm telling you he needs to be fucking dealt with. That to me means you gotta go end up.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:04

What happens then when I come back to you?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:06

Yeah, he's like, no, I'm in like slash is tired tonight.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:09

What are you doing? Dude, I just meant scare him. Like, what is what is going on? Send him a send him an email. Like, I just like tell him to stop. Is that is that a great did we just come off the show?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:17

Like like grocery store spice? I think so.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:20

Is that a show for that? There is definitely a show uh where that happens. I can't remember to think of it off the top of my head, but for sure, where like the this like the CEO or somebody's like, hey, I need to take care of this. They end up murdering the guy. Like, what are you doing? I just I meant this. I can't remember I cannot think of what the show is, but there's one like that I saw recently.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:35

Um I've so I have a question for you guys. Sorry for not to not to sidetrack this uh conversation. Um you've you've watched the movie Clue in the 80s? No. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:48

Wow, okay. All right. So I know I know the game clue. For sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:59

Well, I just I don't think you have the knowledge now to answer my question. Okay. I guess. Uh I can I can probably pretend I have the knowledge. Uh well, uh side note, it's it's a wonderful movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:07

80s?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:08

Um yeah, 80s. It's it's it's a comedy, murder comedy. Um, but just delightful. Like even today you can watch it.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:16

So would you watch that today?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:19

Like I I watch it probably once a year.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:21

Because I have like a default, a de facto cutoff. Kind of like if you if this movie's older than like 91, I'm probably not watching it. Okay. There's a lot of good movies before 91. Was there anything good before 91? Star Wars? Yeah, good. Yeah. Yeah. Predator? Never seen it. You've never seen Predator? No, dude, I haven't seen anything. Oh, yeah, yeah. They'll just make you angry if you start down this rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:48

There's a reason we don't have you on the podcast on this time. Jesus Christ. But anyway, so uh the clue movie is is very good. It's a very good, entertaining movie. I think you and the assistant would enjoy it. Um but They are doing a stage performance of Clue.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:04

Here. Uh very witty, very comedy, but people kind of run around freaking out. Um what would it take for you two to um take a run at an application on that play?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:15

No. Why not? Because I I'm not an actor.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:20

Well, I mean, I I I think you you hold up a persona well.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:25

Who who else is in in this? Are you are you in Corbin in this? Um, I mean we could be.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

Are you applying, I guess?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:31

Yeah, we could be.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:32

Yeah. What's the time commitment like? It's it's heavy. Are you producing this?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:37

No, no. No, we would we would partake.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:39

Is it the same company that you guys did the last one with?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:42

Uh yeah, but the other wing of it. There's kind of two sides of that group.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:46

Um I I I'm interested on the pr on the idea, uh, the thought of who might be doing it.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:53

If I only need to show up once, I can make it work time-wise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:57

It's it's probably like a twice a week thing. Oof, yeah. Yeah. And like twice a week for like four hours each time.

unknown 1:21:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:05

I'm out. It's a lot, yeah. It's it's a lot. Like you go through for like a solid three, four months, like you're you're hammering it.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:11

Is that that's how much time you spent last time?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:14

Yeah, we got together the end of May. End of May, and we we put on the last three weeks of October.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:21

Come find me in about 14 years. Okay. Now it'll be longer than that, dude. Yeah, 18 years. 18 years.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:28

Longer than that, because you by that time you're gonna have three of them. 23 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:31

You're not gonna have three tiny humans, are you?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:33

I it's open-ended. Oh my gosh. My tiny human turned 15 on Friday. God, you're old. Yep. Uh briefly talk about this. So uh she had a party at our house. Um, and I was it was stressful. I didn't uh I was kind of stressed out about it. What were you most worried about? I don't know, just like something getting broken. I don't know why I care.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:56

Just something in the house break.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:58

Or like, or like somebody does something stupid to like hurt, like somebody else gets hurt, and then like were the parents there, so it's like it's on us kind of thing. You know what I mean? I don't know if I don't know, just I just felt like I felt a bit of a responsibility in terms of um if someone got pregnants. Well, yeah, but that definitely wasn't happening. Whoa, no. Uh 15, yeah, 15 hours. Well that's happening. Where I come from, that happens all the time. Definitely not happening in my house, that's for sure. How did you know though?

SPEAKER_06 1:22:25

Like were you gone for more than three minutes?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:28

Yeah, I suppose. Right? That's happening. It's not happening. Uh yeah, I don't know. Anyway, it was it was it was a lot. It was so loud, they were there for like uh she had like 20 people over from 630 to 1030. 20 people. Yeah. 10 30, most of them left, and then like five stayed overnight. All of her her friends stayed uh for the night.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:46

But CJ, when you were 15, did you know 20 people?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:49

Of course you did. You went to school.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:51

No, but like 20 that would hang out with you?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:52

No, God, no. I don't think I would either. I mostly like this is just making me think about the fact though that when I was 15, like I thought I could like have like a I had a brain that I thought could make like adult decisions. Yeah. And it turned out that I had like I was did not have that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, none of those kids do. That's scary because I'm sure in their heads they're thinking, like, yeah, like we're pretty much adults now.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:14

Oh, yeah, for sure. You know that their perception is like going out.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:18

I remember playing like seven minutes in heaven when I was 15. Yeah, well that didn't happen.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:21

I was I was I kept I go every like 15 minutes, I did a walkthrough. Not quite 15, but yeah. 15. I was probably the first time I ever got drunk, I was probably 15.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:29

Yeah, we're inclusive.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:30

There's no booze at our house, that's for sure. So that was okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

I how old were you when you lost your virginity? Uh 17, maybe.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:43

I was like my my last week of being 16, I lost my virginity. And I only bring that up because your daughter's very close to that age.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:50

Uh she's not. Um shut your mouth. Now I can't. See, it's fun for me because I don't have kids, so it's so it's weird. Uh you're not being you're being very uh quiet over there.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:04

Well, we don't have to throw them out. I guess I don't need to know. I just I just I wanted to make the point that you're No, she's not.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:09

I think I was 16.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:12

I think but I think it was after a flames game.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:15

After a flames game. Did they win?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:18

I won. Good boy. Okay, then. Uh anyway, it was uh it was stressful, but but it's it's weird. It's weird uh kids getting old.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:28

It is stressful because I know what a knucklehead I was. And like the fact that we let kids the fact that we let kids vote or drive or just do anything. It does, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:40

You can buy compared to when you were eight.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:42

Like the fact that you can so uh you can turn 18 in this country, you can drive to the liquor store, buy a 12 pack of beer, walk across the street to the weed store, buy a whole bunch of weed, and then walk over to Canadian Tire and buy a gun.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:53

Great white north, baby. Great white north.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:58

Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it'll be a 22 with a five-round magazine. Yeah, I mean it'll be a shitty gun. Stupid. Uh it's just like the fact that we don't have maybe more restrictions uh in place.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:09

Yeah, but you but but you're saying that now, looking back, and obviously at the time. Because I know what I did. I know. So uh so there was boys at this party. There was four boys, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:21

And and sort of 15 girls?

SPEAKER_08 1:25:23

Uh yes, there's a lot of girls. Oh my god. Yeah. Uh, because she plays volleyball on two teams, so there's a lot of girls from like sports.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

So where were how do these boys come into the mix?

SPEAKER_08 1:25:31

Uh they're just friends. They're friends with them. Okay. Uh, and like and it was fine. Like, they're just friends. Just friends. Yeah. They are, as far as I'm more. Yeah. Um, but like boys are idiots, right? And so like they're like they're like kind of half wrestling a little bit here and there. Look how strong I am. Yeah. Hey, look how strong I am, girls.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:50

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:50

Yeah, like throw my friend around.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:52

So yeah, and I wouldn't be worried about that. Like, would you be worried about them hurting themselves? No, I'm worried about like something getting broken in my house. Like, who cares? But you can fix it.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:59

I don't want my house broken. What are they gonna break?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:01

Are they gonna put a hole in your drywall?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:02

I don't know, break my couch or something stupid because I've jumping on it or like stuff that's not easy to fix.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:07

So, okay. I just and forgive me, I just I don't have children. So this is this is very exciting to me. And I'm sure the listeners, they like when I was that age and hanging out at friends' houses, yeah. Like, you're the type of dad that we would always bitch about because you would come down every fucking 30 minutes. We're like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, leave us alone. We're not we're not freak freaking out here. It's my house.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:29

This is my house. That's what the guy would say.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:30

He's like, This is my house, kid.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:32

I didn't say anything. I walk I walked down and got a drink every 30 minutes. I walked out. That's too much. You embarrassed me. It wasn't 30 minutes. I but I've tried to be known that I was there, especially in the beginning. I'm sure they knew you were there. Well, I was making sure. That's too that's too much.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:46

You gotta you gotta let her have her space.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:48

She did. She's fine.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:49

That's too much time. It was every 20 minutes. Put yourself when you were that age, going to a girl's house.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:54

And the dad's gonna be like, this guy won't leave us alone. I don't care. I'm now the age that I am. I have different concerns than I did back then. It is what it is. You can also just get out of my house.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:06

I cannot afford a problem night baby. You can also get out of my house. That's fine too. Uh so that that anger you're feeling on my questions right now? Not anger. That or that was Jason D's entire life living with me. Uh. Because he had the child and that's all I would do. I can see that. She brought a boy home once when we lived there. Really? What?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:27

Yeah. But she's enough for that. I was gonna say she should be. I made it very awkward. Yeah, should have been young, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:32

Yeah. You guys ever see the the The Bad Boys 2?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:35

Yes. Yeah. Reggie? Yeah. Uh then okay, the new bad boys, not not that good. But the Reggie part loved it. Yeah? I didn't see it. Oh, okay. So there's this. Uh can I ruin it for you? Sure. So there's this part where uh so Reggie's at the house with like um the because he goes, he joins the military. He's like a Marine or something now. Okay, whatever. So he's he's a military guy. He's in the house with the family and the two uh Will Smith and whatever is Martin. What's his name? What the hell's his name? Martin Short. Yeah, no, that's not Reggie. That's the that's so Lawrence. Martin Lawrence. Yeah, thank you. Uh they're somewhere else. But they have video they can see in the house uh with cameras. Yeah, and they're like, hey, Reggie, these guys are coming there to the house to kill you, Gil and the family. He's like, copy that. So he's like, he they watch him through the video, and he's just walking around this house murdering them all, just like boom, boom, boom, just like sneaking up behind them, and it's it's hilarious. So they're after that, they're like, the uh Martin Lawrence is like kind of like like wants to still be a dick to Reggie, but he's like he's kind of scared of him, so he doesn't know what to do. It's a it's a pretty good part in that movie. That's the only good part.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:39

But is that the one where Will Smith's son was the bad guy?

SPEAKER_08 1:28:43

Uh the one after that. Oh, that was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:46

Jaden Smith was the bad guy.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:50

Have you not seen any of the recent ones? Like it's so there's one where he ends up finding he has got a son with some Spanish chick, and this the son's like a high-level bad guy, and so they end up catching him in the end goes to jail. This next one, they actually get him, he's out of jail for some reason, I can't remember why, and uh he's running around. Yeah, essentially they joined for the movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:11

I'm so done with movies just like repeating, yeah. Yes, yeah, this is full, isn't it? It is it's like and or things like The Matrix, right? You had two out of three really good movies. Fair. And then they're like, you know what, we're gonna wait 14 years and then we're gonna do a fourth one.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:27

And it's doing that with like a like a lot of movies right now. Even Gladiator. Actually, I you don't like Gladiator, did you? Oh, I loved Gladiator. No, the second the second one.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:35

I never watched it.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:35

Oh, I think we just talked about this in the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:37

We did, but I I I didn't watch it because I don't believe it's gonna be good and it's going to wreck what I loved about the first one. So I I willingly don't watch them.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:45

Uh I didn't, I didn't mind it. I get I don't know. And I was actually surprised by the storyline and how it connected. I didn't realize how it was gonna connect, and it was yeah, I didn't mind it. Okay. But there's ones that like where they're making these like these people who are literally like Mel Gibson, I thought I think where they're talking about doing another lethal weapon.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:04

Yeah, he's gonna direct it. And he's in the in it, and he's in it, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:07

Yeah, yeah. So you're like, you're seventeen. And he's so old. I I like him. I can still like his movies, I love them, but like, can we just let go of that and move on to something different? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:18

Yeah, that's gotta be. I mean, who are they gonna have? I mean, Chris Rock could still be in it, right? Because he's in Lethe Weapon 4. Jet Lee could technically oh no, he died. Did Jet Lee die? Yeah, he dies in Leth Weapon 4.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:27

No, oh, sorry, but did Jet Lee the actor die? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:30

But his case his character died in Leth Weapon 4. Right. Um Murtaugh can't be alive, is he?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:36

Well, it's funny because in the movie, in the first one, like when I remember watching that, I thought like I was super old. He was like 40. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:43

He was retiring the full pension of 40 at the time. Yeah, I think he was 40.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:47

Because he he's in he turned, right? Did he get away? Yeah, like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:49

The first step, the first movie, he's like a week away from retiring. Yeah. And then he must have the lethal weapon at 40. Riggs.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:56

Yeah. That's what I mean. He's retiring the full pension of 40.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:58

And he's like, but he's acting like he's sold and like he turned his birthday.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:02

I was getting too fucking old as shit. Right? Never seen it.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:06

Oh my god. You've never seen lethal weapons. God damn it. It's the first first arm bar in a movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:13

Is it really? Do you know that for a fact? Yeah. That's the first arm bar ever. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:17

If I chat GPT, this will confirm what you said. Go for it. Try it. I'm 100%. Oh god damn it. First arm bar used in a movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:29

Lethal weapon one.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:31

I spelled it that wrong.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:33

Have you listened to Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson recently recently? Negative.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:40

Reasoning. Am I still thinking? That's reasoning. I'm gonna see if Grock is in reasoning.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:47

These words can't mean anything. But yeah, they're gonna do a fifth one. Um that Mel Gibson's going to direct. Apparently, Bretton Ratner had had written most of it before he died. Um but yeah, Gibson said, yeah, I was so wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

Weird. I don't think it knows what's gonna happen. Uh the first known use of an armar. Mine says building a bomb right now. I know that means this is crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:14

The first known use of an arm bar in a movie was in 1911, British silent comedy short film titled Charlie Smiler Takes Up Jiu Jitsu. Okay. That's crazy. There you go.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:24

But you are 100% sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:26

100% uh well he I feel audience, I feel it.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:31

I feel what you're feeling right now every time I listen to them. I feel what you're feeling.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:35

Uh I think Camille Gibson said that it was in when he's talking to Joe Rogan. And so I believe in him. Without without doubt. Weird. Uh, but now we're back to 1911, a couple years before. Is Donald Glover still alive?

SPEAKER_06 1:32:50

And if he is, he has to be so old. He played Murtaugh. He played the the old 40-year-old retired guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:55

I think he's still alive.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:56

Joe Pesci will be in it, Chris Rock will be in it, because they're only 12-4. Um, Donald Glover, if he's still alive, man. I don't know. He's gotta be 80. He has to be too old. Here's the thing, Tanner.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:06

You and I are generally roughly at the same like place in life, status-wise, just successful. Fucking sexy, successful man. But you have spent so much more time watching movies and TV than I what the fuck have I done?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:22

I don't I I'm worried because now usually usually in that situation, people go to sports, right? But you don't watch sports. No. So what is it?

SPEAKER_08 1:33:32

I read, I is there I don't know. Is there a different Donald Glover's the right name? Danny Glover. Danny Glover. Danny Glover. There you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:41

Donald Glover's the kid. Donnie Glover Yeah, Donald Don Dong Lover.

unknown 1:33:46

What?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:47

Donald Glover, the the young actor rapper. From theory. His his his acronym on his name is Dong Lover. That's like so like you just go because he would do Don anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I so books, that's that's your answer. So how much do you read a day?

SPEAKER_07 1:34:02

Uh I like I read probably twice a day, like for like set chunks of time in the morning and the evening.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:07

You do wake up, you do a book read, and you go to bed, you do a book read. Okay. That's still a lot of time in the day. Totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:11

I'm usually like just choring away. Chores, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:15

Yeah. Like you I don't know. Danny Glover is 78.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:19

Yeah, so he'll be 80 by the time the movie's kind of being made.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:22

Uh and CJ's the busiest person I know. Do you? Even though sometimes I feel like he's not that busy.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:27

Are you are you busy because you're trying to hide and run from something? Like are you trying not to address a problem in your life? Is that why you're doing so much chores?

SPEAKER_08 1:34:33

He like, no, but he like makes himself busy with things that he wants to be doing, which is, I mean, makes sense. But uh, I would say, like, I don't know. I like I like not having time to watch TV. Okay. Which is okay. And like for me, Thursday night when I got home, but I was excited to go home because I didn't have it to take the kids anywhere and do anything. I was looking forward to sitting down on the couch, watching something, and then playing some video games.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:58

Yeah, I will say, to be fair though, the last two nights we have sat down and watched TV, which has been a nice department. Yeah, because it is that nice like hour where we both sit there and then scroll on our phones and don't talk to each other. And don't watch the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:16

Yeah, I get it. What'd you watch?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:19

Uh remember. Uh we're watching the rookie right now. Is it good? Yeah, it is actually good. Is it? I have to watch that very fitting to what we've been talking about.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:29

Everything with Nathan Fillon is good.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:30

The only thing I've seen in that show is the uh um it's that little video where they there's a guy in a garage playing the saw the song about uh cop. No, I just like he has a traffic stop in front of this like this garage, there's like bad this like garage bands playing in the garage, and they make a song up about like the hot cop or something.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:49

Yeah, it's it's oh we're definitely talking about different stuff. The rookie? Maybe it's not called that because I I I don't watch. Nathan Filion, the cop show, right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I fucking hate cop shows.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:59

Wait, is there are you thinking of the the spy one? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:03

Is that not called the rookie?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:04

I don't know. I had to look it up. Well, that's but the the rookie, I mean the famous rookie I would say is Nathan Filion. He's an old guy, but just became a cop. Nathan Filion is. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:16

You made me so mad. I don't know who Nathan Filion is.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:24

I don't even know how you guys have conversations.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:26

The recruit.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:28

Oh, okay. Okay, that makes sense. I debated watching that.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:30

It's really good. Is it good? Yeah. It seemed kind of like, yeah. That's new, isn't it? It's good enough that I have been able to do it for more than one consecutive day. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:39

That's probably that's high praise from CJ.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:42

Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:42

Yeah, it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:45

What was that? Uh Nathan Fillion.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:51

He's an actor.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:52

He's a Canadian gem.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:53

Uh no. He's not Canadian.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:54

He's a great gem.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:55

The last time is this is the rookie a Canadian TV show? No. The last show that I thought was a good Canadian TV show was Flashpoint. Oh, yeah. Uh 19-2. First season. Did you watch 192? I watched all of them.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:09

Sorry. You just said numbers.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:11

That's just a TV show. Oh, okay. Sorry. Have you watched 192?

SPEAKER_06 1:37:16

No, I don't I don't have TV.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:17

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:19

Does anybody have TV?

unknown 1:37:20

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:20

What do you mean by you don't have TV?

SPEAKER_06 1:37:22

Well, I don't have like CT. Like, I don't know. Yeah, that's why that's why I watch it. Like, if it's on is it on Netflix? Probably.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:28

Oh, then no, I haven't watched it. Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:31

Like, who has TV anymore? I was thinking like the CTV channel. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:34

Like, like obviously, like my parents still have like some you know CTV news on every night.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:39

Uh Nathan Filion is a delightful actor. He's been on many things. Uh his his Magnum Upus was the one season run of Firefly.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:47

And you probably like that show.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:49

I think you would love it. It's a Western sci-fi.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:52

Yeah, I could go.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:53

So it's like if it's like it's like there's smugglers and spaceships and everything, but everything is like Western.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:58

But one season, hey?

SPEAKER_06 1:37:59

It was canceled after one season. One season in a movie. And it is it is still one of the best things of television ever made. So you like the expanse? I I watched the first couple seasons, and yeah, I did. Then I kind of pulled away a little bit. I haven't really I think I'd go back to it. I don't think I stopped reasoning for a reason or watched it for a reason.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:17

But what is your thing? Because this is like you you hook me with sci-fi, like that'll pull me in, nothing else really does. Yeah, that's right. What's your thing? Like, what are you getting hooked in every time by?

SPEAKER_06 1:38:25

Um it I it changes, right? Like I'd say there's not one thing I I I do like sci-fi stories. Um I've I've in my in my later years, I've really gotten into the more um Lovecraftian kind of headway horror of stories. What did you just say?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:47

Was that English? Like I'm learning Lovecraftian horror? I have no idea what that is. HP Lovecraft, the author? You're a book.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:54

Oh, come on. You read books that I'm talking to you in the language you know, and you're still looking at me like I'm an idiot.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:00

Wait, when you say HP Lovecraft, I realize I'm like, okay, there's that rings a bell. Oh my god. But what books is he what books?

SPEAKER_07 1:39:08

I didn't even know. I I honestly didn't know. I didn't know like where those words are.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:16

It's just like all mashed together. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:20

Uh I don't know how to describe. Okay. It is it's very it's psychological horror. HP Lovecraft. So uh Cthulhu. You've heard of Cthulhu?

SPEAKER_08 1:39:33

Yeah, I've heard I've heard that name.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:34

I don't know what it is. No God, do you read? You say things, but I've never heard you back it up with any evidence. Right? I read books. I read it a couple times a day. What the fuck? Do you know one of the most important writers ever in the history of the world? No.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:56

But he's he's specifically to like a horror thing, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:04

No, no, don't know that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:10

What the fuck is a good thing?

SPEAKER_06 1:40:12

Okay. So okay. Is that a person? No, it's not. It's an eldridge god. So HP Lovecraft, the troubled individual he was in real life. But he he wrote stories that were horror stories, but they were they were of a very cerebral horror nature. So there wasn't just a monster attacking you. There wasn't just a monster chasing you in the woods or something like that. It was these astral ancient beings of such great depth and power that to just physically see them would turn you insane. And so that's kind of the basis of what they refer to now as Lovecraftian horror. Is that it's just very background-ish and dark and mind-manipulating and descent into madness and and that kind of push. And many authors have taken this type of horror uh going forward.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:08

So what new? Like what's something that like you would point to as like a newer show that would kind of fit that for you? For a show?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:15

Hmm. That's a good question. Um well like uh like Americ American gods.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:23

Did you ever watch that?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:25

Yeah, but that's very much um what's his face writing? Completely.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:28

Um I read the book.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:30

I can't think of his name.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:31

Who did uh uh he just got outed, he just got cancelled. Why? I don't know. I didn't I didn't read it, I just didn't care. But he is yeah, he's the one that did the Sandman. Yes, what the hell is his name? Um the the Detective Boys. Um look it up. And star Jamie It something Jamie It. Um really can you name an author for me?

SPEAKER_07 1:41:51

I can. I just Neil Gaming. Oh, Neil Gaming. That is his name. I don't think it fits into the genre of books because like I'm very like I either read nonfiction, I read a lot of nonfiction, okay, or my fiction is exclusively sci-fi generally.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:05

So The Expanse, did you read that series? I've read all did you read um um um not Dune, but the other one. I've read Dune.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:14

Um Trotsky's Trotsky Memories like uh Adrian did it.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:25

Okay, you might you know my one of my the scariest book I ever read is? Um yeah, I forget who wrote it, but it's I have no mouth for I cannot scream.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:34

No, but that sounds awful.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:35

It is, it's a short story, and it is one of the scariest things I've ever read in my life.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:39

I just picture like Neo from The Matrix with his mouth closed, like closed. Sort of.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:44

Yeah, but it's it's a fucking super scary moment.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:47

Drive me insane that I can't think of that book you're trying to name because I know it's when you say it's an Apple TV show now, right? When you say Chachovsky, it's not that's not what he means. Uh Isaac Asimov.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:55

Isaac Asimov's the book. Um I have the book at all now. It is Isaac Asimov, it is. Um what's fuck me? Space Odyssey? No. No. It that it that book series is considered the Lord of the Rings of Sci-Fi. Yeah, it's good. It is it is considered the the ultimate. Did you watch the TV show? No, again, I'm too scared to watch it because it's not gonna be as good. Foundation. The foundation, thank you. Do you have that book?

SPEAKER_07 1:43:19

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:19

That that is that is the that is the sci-fi series of which all other sci-fi series are compared to. I have it. You can borrow it if you want.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:26

Please, I would read that.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:27

It's really good. Uh who's Lovecraft?

SPEAKER_06 1:43:30

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:34

I like I've definitely heard that name, but I've looked in at his what he wrote, and I definitely have not read any of it.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:39

Uh read read they're it they're well written. Read Lovecraft. The the The Call of Cthulhu. Yeah, that's his that's his big one he did.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:48

Um, I just looked up Lovecrafts and it's a knitting crochet craft supplies and inspiration. Lovecrafty ass.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:54

Do you know what book I really liked? Um The Shining. Shining's a scary book, too. It it like it's way scary than the movie. Way scarier than the movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:03

So here's the thing though. I don't like horror. I don't like horror movies, I don't like scary movies. I don't like uh I don't like feeling scared in my house.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:12

I I don't either. I don't like scary movies. I don't like that's a big contention with Corbin and I is that he loves them and I hate watching them.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:18

Does anybody actually like to a lot of people love scary movies?

SPEAKER_06 1:44:21

He loves like he loves scary movies. That's that is his fucking go-to.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:25

I do not like so when he sits down to watch a scary movie, does he get scared?

SPEAKER_06 1:44:30

Yeah, like he'll stop watching them sometimes and then go back to it again. Totally, yeah. But he loves it. They um uh they are scary. So I I can get through the book, but sometimes the books are scary. There's a Star Wars book called Death Troopers that's super scary.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:47

I don't think I've ever read a book. I mean, The Shining was scary, but it's not it wasn't like I need to put this down.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:52

It was just like, oh, this is creepy. Yeah, I've never I've watched, I think I've watched the movie. I've never read the book, The Shining. The book's like so much better.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:00

And I know you can say that pretty much about any book.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:02

I also hate Stephen King.

unknown 1:45:04

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:05

Who's Stephen King? Never heard of that before. Uh did you tell me to shut up? Yes. He's covered in the fence for you.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:16

It's I agree. He's like there's I don't know. I have a lot uh he has such good books. Like it is what it is. He's an idiot, but like he's got his writing. He can write, man. His writing, like there's been I've read a lot of Stephen King books, and most of them are very good.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:30

I'm gonna tell you I get Stephen uh Lovecraft book to read. Because it's it's you should.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:35

If you like it, would this be like a before bed kind of reading, or like should I like read it with it? I wouldn't. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:42

If you would. Just I'll give you the foundation tomorrow and you can start reading that. Yeah, read the foundation. It is fucking delightful.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:48

Well, because he also I see as I was googling Isaac Asimov, he also wrote iRobot. Yeah. Which I don't know if there's any correlation to that.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:55

I actually I really like this book that I got from of the foundation. Uh I went to uh used bookstore in town, the one that's like just a garbage of a mess, you can't find anything anywhere. You have to show what I'm talking about. I think so. Yeah, there's two, there's two in town. There's one that's like super like uh like organized, like Big John's, and then there's the other one.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:11

And the other one you're talking about is downtown.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:12

Yeah, you like walk in there and it's like it's a treasure foundation in there, and it is like a hardcover red book that's like a really kind of cool looking book, and it was like four dollars. Or maybe it was a bit more because it's it was a I should go in there and go do some book hunting. Oh man, it's I love going in there, but you you can spend like hours just trying to find something.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:28

Do you just pick books that like look interesting?

SPEAKER_08 1:46:31

No, like I tend to have like an idea of what I'm looking for to some degree. No, I don't know. Yeah, I kind of look like I kind of just like browse.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:39

I have been reading a book right now. I'm actually reading it for the second time through the entire series. There's four books written by a girl named Anne Leckie. Uh and it's like a sci-fi book about sci-fi things. Okay. But the culture that she has created, the the society is like this like new Roman kind of like pit how do I describe it? Like picture it like a Roman society in the future with like robots, AIs, and like wars and stuff like that. Okay. Uh it's really interesting because you would like it because there's like a lot, it's like a mixture of like a religious fantasy slash sci-fi uh and and talk and like a lot of talking about how like their religion affects their decision making as far as it relates to some of the sci-fi things.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:26

Well, the the foundation, have you if you've not seen anything or know much about the foundation?

SPEAKER_07 1:47:30

Uh I tried to watch the TV show and couldn't get into it. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:34

It's it's very like I mean, it's very similar, right? Because everything's based on the idea that like he's the emperor and but that there's like a line of them. Anyway, it's it's again, it's it yeah, it's really interesting that way because it the I mean it's such a crazy world. I don't understand like some of these guys who make these like these worlds up, right? Like like Tolkien for like Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. Like doesn't make sense the amount of detail, uh, Game of Thrones. Like all these guys who make these essential like worlds that have all of these very intricate things, like different languages that they completely make. And you're like, what is how incredible? What is going on in your head?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:09

Yeah, I definitely haven't done that. Um at the mountains of madness is probably his more well-known ones. At the mountains of madness. Yeah, that's a very good book. And then um, I think you would like uh The Whisper in the Darkness, because I gets a little bit more sci-fi. Um, but it's probably his scariest one, I think, is the Shadow over Innsmouth. Ooh, sounds scary. It's a scary one. Okay, which one would you start with if you were me? The Mountains of Madness? Pro The Mountains of Madness or The Whisperer in Darkness. Okay, so that's kind of a sci-fi one.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:41

I'm okay. I'm gonna read one of these and then we're gonna talk about it. Okay. Whisperer in Darkness. Whisperer in Darkness. Okay. Yeah. Okay, I've written them down. I'm gonna read one and we're gonna talk about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:53

You'll enjoy.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:54

Ah, I don't know if I'm gonna be scared. I don't like being scared.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:57

Yeah, scary. But it's it's more it's much more that mind scary than like oh stabbed him in the gut, and his gut came out, and I was all gutty. Have you guys watched it?

SPEAKER_08 1:49:07

Those aren't scary though. Those are just fair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:10

Wow. Have you guys watched Silo?

SPEAKER_08 1:49:12

Yes. Uh I think I'm caught up.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:15

Okay, I haven't watched it. I tried starting to read the books and then I kinda wasn't loving it. Have you read the books? No. Okay. I so you okay, and so the point I'm trying to bring up. I do not like doing both of them. So, for example, the expanse. Right. Right? I watched the TV show before I read the books, and then I read the books, and the books are so much better than the TV show. Yeah, so much better. Um it's tough when you create these things from books and then you turn them into shows or movies, and things just get lost. Yeah. But that's the thing that most people see and get exposed to and never actually really get to dig into the nuance of the detail of uh of the books, which I suspect Silo would be like. But and everybody says it's a great show. Yeah. I just started the book and could not get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:04

Who's in Silo? I can't think of the name. Uh famous actress.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:09

I don't I can't think of her name. Okay, Fernando. Not not that famous. She's uh yeah, like you'd recognize her again. That she's about the only person you probably recognize in that show. Okay. Um it's it's good. I I would say I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's like amazing, but I I like it. It keeps you keeps you wondering what the hell's going on, that's for sure. Do you watch I watch it when I run? If I'm on the treadmill, I'll throw it on.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:32

See, maybe that's my problem. I I struggle to watch things that aren't quote unquote amazing. Like I it like I would never if it just wasn't grabbing me, like I that's probably why I think the recruit is good. It's good enough that I'm like, yeah, I want to watch more.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:43

Yeah, and you just leave. I'm like, yeah, I might want to like get a little bit of a. No, pull up Firefly. You will not be disappointed. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:49

I understand that. Um, and I would say that I've definitely pushed through some shows that I was like, eh, about, but I just finished them because I already started them.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:55

More often than not, though, right? Like more often than not, shows are okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:58

Yeah, I agree. I I find I find like uh Apple TV and Paramount right now, that's they have so many good shows. I don't have either of those. Yeah, there's so many good shows on both of those, like uh Lion S and uh I mean Taylor Sheridan's the amount of shows that guy makes it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:14

Um he writes a lot of shows.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:16

It's insane. Like so Mayor of Kingstown, Landman, all the Yellowstone and spin-offs of all those. Uh it's crazy. And then Halo, Halo 1 and 2. He's not he's not Taylor Sheridan, but like it's also on Paramount. Uh anyway, there's there's a lot of good shows on those. And yeah, I just find lately I've been running a lot and it's been cold out, so I've been doing it on the treadmill and I just throw it on for an hour and it's an easy way to waste an hour. That's a long time to run.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:40

Yeah, he's a big runner now. Yeah, that's what I do. That's what I do. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:45

Speaking of which, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:49

It would have been better if you said I gotta run. I gotta run. Speaking of which, can we do a retake on that? Okay, take it.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:54

Speaking of which, I gotta run.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:57

Oh, it's funny because he was just talking about running.

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Ha!

SPEAKER_06 1:52:01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:02

So funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:04

Well, if you enjoyed this podcast, why do you sound so blah about that? Yeah, it's because nobody ever reaches out when we say, hey, if you like this podcast, sounds so many.

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Get in the comments, people. Come on. They want to talk to you. Do people answer you all the time? Do they actually no?

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Get in the comments, you guys.

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We've had I've had two comments before. Yeah. They're both very rude.

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Just just just send us get involved. I don't care if you send me the middle finger emoji. They're so so guys, you need to come talk.

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SPEAKER_07 1:52:57

We have no format or credibility. We we bring nothing of value to the table. I disagree. We bring lots of value.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:07

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SPEAKER_08 1:53:25

Ish ish.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:26

They're just killing it.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:27

Uh and uh listen to uh Radical Apathy Podcast uh on all the things you can listen to podcasts on.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:33

Season two. Are we doing a 2025 crossover? Probably not.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:36

No. Okay, okay then. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:40

What are we gonna talk about? R.L. Stein. That's a novelist.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:45

Goosebumps, I know. Thank you. I did know who R.L. Stein was. Uh yeah. All right. Thanks for listening. Thanks for coming again.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:55

I'd like you to be here more.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:57

I I appreciate that, but I'm busy. Okay, thanks, Brick. Bye.

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