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This show features three nursing home attendants who have realized their brains are incomplete and their bodies are always in pain. They are peasants outside the castle walls attempting to navigate a world that feels rigged while simultaneously trying to be 1000% sure about things they know nothing about!
The Average Superior Podcast
#64: Internal Voices and Catastrophizing
When you think or talk to yourself internally, do you hear your voice?? We discuss JB's silent thoughts and how it seems to be normal to catch yourself going down some dark paths in your thinking.
Do you do this?? Are we crazy? Let us know!!
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SPEAKER_00:Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What you do right now makes it different.
SPEAKER_02:Hello. Oh, hello there. How are you tonight? Oh. Cool. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Chinese. Jeez. Whoa. Whoa.
SPEAKER_02:Easy.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, is that Japanese older mortal enemies?
SPEAKER_02:They are mortal enemies. The things the Japanese did to the Chinese. They did some horrible shit. Yeah. History is not kind.
SPEAKER_04:The things that the Japanese did to the Chinese? Yes.
SPEAKER_02:And I'm sure that I'm sure it went both ways, let's be honest. But like there's a book called The Rape of Nanking, and it's about how the Japanese essentially went into the city and like murdered a hundred thousand people in like two days with like swords and burning or putting them in burning barrels.
SPEAKER_04:I I went to a Nanking restaurant in San Francisco, and it's where they shot John Wick IV. Oh. A scene in it, and uh it was good. So that was a change of subject right there.
SPEAKER_05:If you if you look far enough back in any culture's history, you'll find some skeletons.
SPEAKER_04:Uh Canadian whites are pretty good.
SPEAKER_02:We're no, we're not. We are all descendants of crazy people. Because we wouldn't be here otherwise.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, they didn't they didn't know what they didn't know.
SPEAKER_02:If somebody down in your lineage had to have probably done some crazy things.
SPEAKER_05:Like you like, I'd like to know completely to survive.
SPEAKER_02:It would be interesting. But like if they didn't do it, you wouldn't be here because they'd be they would have dead and been dead and not passed on their seed, as it were. Did you finish American Primeagal? I did finish it. Yes. It was good. Speaking of sins. I like it. Uh, what part of that are you speaking of sins about?
SPEAKER_04:There was a lot of killing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um from everybody.
SPEAKER_04:Were there was there raping? I don't I don't remember if there was raping. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of killing and raping. Yes. From from everybody involved.
SPEAKER_02:Do other species rape? Oh. I think I think well, I think I don't know if it counts because I don't think there's consent. I think monkeys just so they de facto are raping. Yeah, I I I think so. I I don't think it's like I mean, I don't know, maybe it's consensual. The answer is yes. The answer is yes, they do. I feel like in general, animals just like, hey, I'm gonna do this now to you, and you're gonna take it, or you're gonna get hurt. Like, to be fair, my my rooster? Yes. I don't know if there's ever been consent. Of course not. Animals don't that's not a thing in the animal kingdom.
SPEAKER_05:Is that where we really left then the animal kingdom?
SPEAKER_04:Is that that what makes it what makes it better? We're better.
SPEAKER_05:Is that what makes us an uh enlightened species? Yes, and a poor.
SPEAKER_04:But then you watch like some documentaries and the and the lioness like turns around, she's like, no, you know, like you she puts up a fight and then it doesn't happen, right? You see, you see that in the documentaries.
SPEAKER_05:Like you mean like because the lioness is like better, bigger than the lion? Yeah. The lione?
SPEAKER_04:The lion the lion's it's just lions. But there's like a male lioness is a lion.
SPEAKER_02:I there's like probably like diminishing returns, right? Like there's they're probably gonna try to get it if they can get it, and then depending upon how much of a fight gets put up, they might be like, okay, this isn't worth the.
SPEAKER_04:Well, to be fair, that's you know that's that's marriage too. It's alright.
SPEAKER_01:Orangutangs it says the topic we want to talk about.
SPEAKER_04:The top example of uh that so anyway is orangutans.
SPEAKER_02:It says they were quite um I think all animals in I think Animal Kingdom orangutan?
SPEAKER_04:Albatross and Guppies are the three.
SPEAKER_02:The albatross.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. What is that?
SPEAKER_05:They're the three that what have consent?
SPEAKER_04:No, that that are really uh nobody nobody in animal king.
SPEAKER_02:There's no consent in the animal kingdom.
SPEAKER_04:Really anti-consent. Well, okay, I'm not saying uh penguins. Penguins. Don't they uh they mate for life, right? Is it penguins that made for life?
SPEAKER_02:Sure.
SPEAKER_04:They establish a partner.
SPEAKER_02:Canada geese? Yeah. Hey, are we winning the hockey game right now? Who fucking cares? I kind of care. Why? I'm interested. No, you're not.
SPEAKER_04:Don't tell me I'm only 72 to 72% of penguins are faithful to their mates. Sorry.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's a humans. Oh my gosh. Oh, is it it's one-one in case care.
SPEAKER_05:Why would I care?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know, it's Canada versus US. It's interesting.
SPEAKER_05:Let's just make things worse. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I wonder if there's three fights in the first four seconds like last time.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, thirteen to twenty-five percent of people cheat.
SPEAKER_05:I I watched the first period of that game. Yeah. And I was just so disappointed in everybody that booed. Oh, I know. It's insane. I've who cares? I can't I can't I don't want I don't like any of this. There's a lot I can do. Everything's happening. Those those those uh tiny people are still booing.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_05:Not midgets, I mean people.
SPEAKER_04:Mentally tiny. Oh, mentally tiny.
SPEAKER_05:The midgets. We're allowed to say that again, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, little people.
SPEAKER_05:Uh did either of you read the link I sent out yesterday about Microsoft?
SPEAKER_02:Uh, with the quantum chip? Yeah. That was that was this morning. I had read a little bit of that prior previously. Uh I think it was yesterday. I did not go into great depth of reading it. Since we've been born.
SPEAKER_04:Uh the plane's pretty big.
SPEAKER_02:Since we've been born, he said. There was planes around before.
SPEAKER_04:Sorry, I was already trying to read his article.
SPEAKER_02:No, the plane, the plane was made before we were born. So explain to me, because uh for or for people listening, why this quantum computing chip is so important.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher it. Okay. Like we do. You remember a few podcasts ago how we talked about like your Bitcoin keys are safe because it'll be many, many, many, many years until they have enough qubits? Yep. Yeah, you're you're in trouble. Okay. They are gonna have enough qubits.
SPEAKER_02:Uh, on a side note, is there any gold in the reserves anywhere, do you think? Or is that gold all gone?
SPEAKER_04:This is related to what you just said.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, that has absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. You started thinking about like Do you want to talk about quantum computing or do you want to talk about gold?
SPEAKER_04:How many different types of fish are there? That's what I wanted.
SPEAKER_02:No, I do, but I just like you said, like kind of wiping out Bitcoin, I was thinking like value gone, and then that led me to I get how you got there. Okay, back to Bitcoin. No, back to quantum computing.
SPEAKER_05:So, your keys are not safe. Uh basically, they have discovered another state of matter, which was kind of like a footnote in that article. I don't know if you read that, but as you would know, being a scientist, the four states of matter, uh solid, liquid, gas, and plasma, they've now discovered another one.
SPEAKER_04:Is it called?
SPEAKER_05:It's called I don't know what it's called.
SPEAKER_02:Ask rock. Yeah. That's why um is plasma like the stuff from ghosts, like in Ghostbuster?
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Because that's plasma.
SPEAKER_04:That's ecto-that's ectoplasm. Oh, sorry, ectoplasm. Ecto, big, big difference.
SPEAKER_05:Here's the deal. The quantum computer that they think they can build, they used to say decades. Microsoft said yesterday, within the span of years, they think they can build a computer with a million qubits, which is a significantly high number, um, which would be more powerful, fit in the palm of your hand, and be more powerful than all of the computers on Earth combined. We're so fucked.
SPEAKER_02:That's scary. It's so cool. Well, it's I mean, yeah, it's it's that's insane.
SPEAKER_04:There's a a trade show going on right now, but it's a military uh like a Tony Stark trade show in the States. It's iDeck or iFec or something like that. And there's a I follow this guy on TikTok. I'm back on TikTok. He followed, he just went out all the boosts and showed all the AI drones, the AI full fighter jets, the AI transports, the AI tanks, and all this stuff they have now. It is incredibly scary now. Oh, but if you combine that with oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_05:In by 2030, shit's gonna be wild. That's not that long away. It's not.
SPEAKER_04:Is that after or before the asteroid hits us, though?
SPEAKER_05:Well, that's before the asteroid. It's not gonna hit us, it's only just gonna hit a city. 2032, apparently, is the asteroid. Which actually might be a blessing at that point.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Given the rate at which things are gonna go south.
SPEAKER_02:It's gone up to 3.6% chance. It's not really it's not that high.
SPEAKER_04:What's the plan? They they can shoot something and deflect the streets.
SPEAKER_02:Uh, they have tested, I in that article I read about it, they have tested ways of deflecting uh asteroids.
SPEAKER_04:Get some boys from Fort Mac to come and drill some holes in it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's the number one way.
SPEAKER_04:That's they should.
SPEAKER_02:Was there any other way? I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:I think they're just gonna shoot something.
SPEAKER_02:I think they bump they try to bump it off the trajectory with another rocket.
SPEAKER_05:That's what I think.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. They tested that apparently. How's that lame? How's that lame? I don't know because. Think about the vastness of space launching something to like go find that little tiny rock, because I mean it's tiny in relation to the vastness of space.
SPEAKER_04:You you hind and you had a account for elevation on like a 300-yard shot. Can you imagine how much science goes behind shooting a rocket at the right time?
SPEAKER_02:Science, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my gosh. Science. And the new state is called a clo Chiral Boys State. Chiral what? Chiral C C H I R A L Boys State.
SPEAKER_02:Spell the last part.
SPEAKER_04:You're saying boys, like Yeah, B-O-S-E, like boisey. Bose.
SPEAKER_02:Chirro Boys liquid state. Like Bose speakers? I don't know. It's not real. Chirro Bose. It's yeah. Can you ask Grok to explain what Chirro Bose is? Oh god.
SPEAKER_05:Explain it to me like I'm five years old. Yeah, ask Grok to explain it like you're five.
SPEAKER_02:It'll take some time. No, it won't.
SPEAKER_05:It'll be immediate. Do you know how exciting that is though? Like there will be quantum computers so powerful that they can compute that exact direct trajectory to put that asteroid off path instantly.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't that nuts? I I the thing is I'm too stupid to even understand the implications of like this in my life, personal life. Because I mean it literally changes, it can change, it'll change every industry.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So it's like how is how do you like you the even like quantify or like in your head think how what does this change?
SPEAKER_05:Because they they used examples like you will be able to compute like what it takes to remove all the plastics from the ocean or compute, you know, uh specific medicines for specific people's conditions that will be immediately effective.
SPEAKER_02:Right, but even think like virtual reality right now, how good it is with like the new um what's the thing you got? Meta, meta meta thing. But now you add quantum computing into that, and now it literally becomes an indistinguishable from life.
SPEAKER_05:Totally, because it can compute it instantly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And then so that like there's that implication. There's like literally anything you can think of, it just like I I don't know what the world looks like.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but that's the whole problem is I think I don't I think we as human beings cannot conceive just how wild shit's about to get.
SPEAKER_04:Um, what's that movie? Like the Cairo Boy State. Okay, how tops. This is this is I this is the first time with Grok, so Groc's awesome. Uh explain it like I'm a child. Okay, imagine you have a big box of toys like little spinning tops that you love to play with together. Normally these tops would like or these tops like to line up neatly in rows, spinning the same way, like how you might line up your toy cars. But in the Cairo Boys liquid state, the tops get a special playground where they can they can't line up like usual. It's like someone shook up the playground and put little walls in the way so the tops had to figure out a new game. And then he spends three paragraphs making it a little easier to understand, but all in a uh spinning top toy format.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:That did not help at all.
SPEAKER_02:No. I like the spinning top analogy, but I still don't know what that means.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's like visualize that. It's like a toy party where all the toys spin in twisty circles stuck together and don't let anything ruin their fun. Even when it's super cold and tricky. Does that sound like a pool cool playground to you?
SPEAKER_02:So that so for but for what I'm getting from that is like because we're talking about the other states, right? Like solids, liquids, those all change with temperature. This is sounding like this state, this state is is a steady. It's a steady state that doesn't change based on external factors.
SPEAKER_04:Because it's super tiny, it's it says we're talking like a light, like, it doesn't matter if it's cold, it doesn't matter if it's hot.
SPEAKER_02:So that would mean like if it's if they're using this this kind of a state in a chip, there's potential like for like there's the heat, the generated heat isn't as big a deal.
SPEAKER_05:Which is one of the things that would destabilize other quantum computing chips, is because like this yeah, like any outside influence would cause those qubits to like destabilize. Right. Fuck, we're so above our heads here.
SPEAKER_02:Um, we are, but like that makes sense because everything anything I've read about quantum computing up to this point was like they could potentially build it, but any there would be so many factors that would disrupt it from working that it's almost not worth doing. Right.
SPEAKER_05:And this was this was them solving that. Uh and they've come up with new type like a new type of semiconductor for it, which I also think is neat, but couldn't explain it. Okay. Um fucking big brains. Oh, dude, it's weird. And and apparently the thing they said they were like uh like some really good first principle thinking, because they were like, hey, we want what would we need to make in order to have like a quantum computer that worked? And then they just worked backwards from that and then started making all the shit they needed to actually have a functional quantum computer.
SPEAKER_02:But here's the insane thing. So now we have things like Garoc, we have things that are like our AI that can all basically think, maybe to some degree, but now we say we put that AI into this quantum computing. Now these big brain people become irrelevant because no one's gonna be able to think past the computer, potentially, and so that computer now redesigns and gives you gives the plans to the humans. Hey, this is how you make me better, this is what you do, and then eventually it just does it itself, and then we're all dead.
SPEAKER_05:I don't I I think it's not outside of the realm of possibility that like things will increase so exponentially fast that like it will just come to an end really quickly. Is that not the singularity? Yeah, pretty much. Because if if this was exponential, like I always think humans are not good at like comprehending just what exponential means, right? No, we're not. Uh it's gonna get really wild.
SPEAKER_02:There's a like a simple concept of such as like compounding, like just simple compounding on money is hard to understand over a period of time because it's the numbers get so big so quick over a long period of time.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Like just that compounding interest idea of like, hey, if you put a dollar in, if you doubled it every single day, and like really quickly you get to a million, and all of a sudden it just gets crazy.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and I remember hearing like an example that somebody they they didn't like uh like would talk to people to illustrate how poorly they understood exponential gains, and they'd say, like, hey, I'll give you five million right now, or I'll give you a cent, or I'll give you a cent a day for the next 30 days, but I'll double it every day or something like that. And everybody'd be like, Oh, I'll take the five million dollars. And like you'd be like, No, you'd you'd actually make way less money.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I think it's almost double, isn't it? I can't remember. Something crazy like that. But that's that's probably what's happening to computing power at this point or AI or some combination of the two.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean it's it's I think it's both exciting and terrifying.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I'm equal parts excited and terrifying.
SPEAKER_02:There's some really cool technology that was gonna come out of it. It's like, oh, this is insane, but it's also terrifying because it could be a ter it could be terrible. It could be literally, literally dis destable the world. Destable the world. Destabilize the world. Do you think it could improve your speak? No. Unless you put a chip in my brain.
SPEAKER_04:He speaks good.
SPEAKER_02:My BPC 157 might help me with my brain. I don't know. I need some BPC. Apparently, the uh BPC 157 is one of the things it uh that one of our friends using it says he feels a lot more sharp.
SPEAKER_04:I have a buddy in a sister city of ours who's using it too. We have sister cities? Well, it's it's it's like a sister city. Is that like Osaka, Japan? It's the sunniest, it's the sunnier in Nagasaki uh Alberta.
SPEAKER_05:I thought we were the sunniest city in Alberta.
SPEAKER_04:No, I think Medicine hat is.
SPEAKER_05:That place is a shittle.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it is, but he's using it and it's done wonders for his stomach, too. Knees cleared up, all that kind of stuff, and now his stomach, like he has some indigestion problems, and it's gone away.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, let's do it. Don, I have so many tendonitis issues in my body right now that solve it. Yeah, probably wouldn't. Where does he get it?
SPEAKER_04:Uh I'll send you.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:His person gets it from, it's all good.
SPEAKER_02:All right. Why is your voice dude being all weird?
SPEAKER_04:If I go hi.
SPEAKER_05:I'll send you.
SPEAKER_04:It is uh he gets it online. I forget what the website is.
SPEAKER_02:Oh goaling!
SPEAKER_05:You lost me at line.
SPEAKER_02:V PC157.
SPEAKER_04:Legal in the States? No.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's legal.
SPEAKER_04:What what uh it's not approved in the States.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I think you can still get it, though. I just don't think FDA has approved it. But but you can't get it in Canada?
SPEAKER_04:You can get it. You can get it in Canada.
SPEAKER_05:Well, don't I understand you can get it? Oh, you can get it. But can you get it from a credible source? Uh a reputable source. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:I would say his is not. Define reputable. Yeah. What do you mean by that?
SPEAKER_05:Like, I don't want to be buying it from a guy in a dark alley. Yeah, I don't think that happens. Well, I mean, it could happen.
SPEAKER_04:It's just the dark web, it's not a dark alley.
SPEAKER_05:I yeah, I don't know. I want to go to a website called like Legit Canada BPC. You should make that, Tom.
SPEAKER_02:Then you should make that and just put saline in the bottles. Uh, I know a guy who gets it from somebody he trusts, and so then therefore that just sounds so sketchy.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but how are you supposed to get it not sketchy? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know. How did people get non-sketchy things before they were regulated by our overlords? Through sketchy, through sketchy means that's where people got it, right? Like I want to go to like the mom and pop store that sells BPC.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that doesn't exist because they're gonna be sketchy mom and pop.
SPEAKER_02:Because they have to be, because they can't do it legally. So just put it in. What's your end game here, Siege? By default, they have to be sketchy.
SPEAKER_05:I just don't want to put an unknown substance into my body that's gonna be a good thing.
SPEAKER_02:Well, okay, no. We do that all the time. Then get the substance, get a microscope, figure out what it should look like, and like, yeah, this is it. Or no, this is not it.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know if that's what I want to do either. But I really want my body to stop hurting, so maybe I'll just do it. I'm gonna do it. Do you have it? Not yet. When do you get it? I think shortly. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:He's waiting for a he's waiting for a text to go meet him behind the Walmart.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna go to uh like the So the first time Like does he take only cash too?
SPEAKER_05:Like, what's only cash?
SPEAKER_02:Five dollar bills.
SPEAKER_04:Whatever, Blue Cross covers it. We're we're fine.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, no, it doesn't. It should. The fact that I can't get something, it'll cover your Zempik.
SPEAKER_05:Uh yeah. My Ozempic. We should all do a Zempik for a month.
SPEAKER_04:Man, I could use a month of Ozempic after Mexico and we should all do a Zempic for a month.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that'd be hilarious. We should do a YouTube. Uh all of us.
SPEAKER_04:What would Ozempic do to you? You're like 4% body.
SPEAKER_02:No, I'm not. I'm like 13. You would he's less than I am. Or what was last time I we did it? I'm probably still on what you are. We would do it, and then we would just like take our before and afters.
SPEAKER_05:No, I don't want to do, I don't want to put Ozempic in my body. Why? It's just what if I get Osempic fingers?
SPEAKER_04:But you might you can micro dos. Oh, I'll do it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, there's people that are micro-dosing osempic. There's a podcast, uh um Diary of a CEO. You probably listen to it.
SPEAKER_05:I've never listened to any of the exempic episodes.
SPEAKER_02:You should listen to it. That's actually very interesting. She explains the process of it and how she gets her patients to microdose it. Like, so I think when you get it from like a doctor to start with, yeah. Um, and she's she gives people like point zero five milligrams to start or even. Even less than that. And uh because of that, you don't have the negative side effects at all, but there's a whole bunch of positive things that happen.
SPEAKER_05:Which I I like that approach versus like, hey, let's give you just a a a milligram or a milliliter of fucking Ozempic.
SPEAKER_02:That'd be right, not milligram.
SPEAKER_05:Uh snorting it. But I uh there's people we work with that are using Ozampic, isn't there?
SPEAKER_02:Not that I know of. I've I I don't know anybody. I've never talked to somebody who said they has. I think I know one.
SPEAKER_07:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I don't I can't think of anybody off the top of my head that you're thinking of.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_04:It's just like it's not uh it's not as common as it is in other places, I think. Because like I don't know. Maybe it's just because all we hear about on the news, or not the news, but like all the celebrities are using it, all that kind of stuff. Maybe they're not using it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I went I took my daughter to a movie, her and her two friends to a movie yesterday. What movie? Tutu, by the way. Uh I took her to she's been begging me, begging me to go to Wicked.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah, I'd I I'd go to that. Yeah. Is that uh begging me to go to that movie for like a month?
SPEAKER_02:And I was like, I'm not going to that movie. It's terrible. I'm not gonna go. Finally, I felt bad, and I took her and her two friends. And I'm not gonna lie, I didn't hate it. Yeah, it's it's is it it's a musical.
SPEAKER_04:Was it a straight up like like the Broadway play? Like was it a musical musical?
SPEAKER_02:I've never seen the Broadway play. Well, you know, no need to lie. It's alright. Um, but with it's like it's like I don't know. Was there talking or only? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, there's some talking. Okay, yeah. Uh it was like the great uh movement, the it's it's like that. So there's talking scenes and then there's singing. Love it. I I fucking love musicals. It was actually really, it was actually pretty good. Um, but after that, so I've saw that movie, but then I saw post recently of Ariana Grande. Have you seen a picture of her like in the last like recently? She my guess is she's on Osempic or something or meth. Uh because like she looks like death. It is it is scary to see what she looks like now. She's lit she's like skin and bones. Oh, oh she is. I don't know what happened that and in that movie, she looks like she looks good, she looks fine, she looks normal. I mean, she's still pretty skinny, but she's not like like this, and it is very skinny. It's it's like this after this is 2022. That's not even the worst one. No, no, there's ones where she looks like gone, like her face looks sunken. Yeah, like it's like aw.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, she's got an eating disorder.
SPEAKER_02:Completely bad or osempic.
SPEAKER_04:She looks like one of those like like uh with the arms, the arms aren't the right length for their body, and they're so skinny, it's just basically their bones. Oh no, yeah, that's a problem. I I was a pretty big fan of her work.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's just sad, right?
SPEAKER_04:Because I think that again they're putting this screen of Hollywood and well, maybe is it Ozempic or is she like have a condition or something?
SPEAKER_05:Maybe she could like share some of that with Lizzo. She uh have you seen Lizzo lost a ton of weight. Yeah, Lizzo lost a bunch of weight. I don't care about these people.
SPEAKER_02:I don't either, but like it's interesting. She she actually got after it. She's inspired by Lizzo.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, I I don't see Lizzo getting out of it. She did.
SPEAKER_02:To lose like 200 pounds, you kind of have to get after it.
SPEAKER_05:She only lost like if you're 900 pounds. To lose 200 pounds, all you have to do is eat a little bit less. No. She did not get out of it. She did.
SPEAKER_04:No, she didn't. 60 pounds. Okay, wait a minute. She lost 60 pounds, which is a lot of weight, but when you compare it to the total weight, it's not as much as I thought. Yeah, high protein calorie, but like.
SPEAKER_02:Do you know the best part about that was? She actually even she even says that after watching the South Park episode about Ozempek and they were bugging about like Lizzo and body positivity. She's like, I need to, I need to do something. So she lost.
SPEAKER_04:You can't be mad, CJ. If someone goes out and loses 60 pounds, there is nothing you can say, like you cannot be upset at that.
SPEAKER_05:I love people. I get fucking fired up when people take agency for their health.
SPEAKER_04:Good for her.
SPEAKER_05:But when you say she was getting after it, I don't see her throwing a 60-pound boulder over her shoulder. She was hiking a mouth. Oh my god. Or she couldn't.
SPEAKER_02:She would die. But like getting after it for her is getting in the gym and doing something for herself.
SPEAKER_05:I think certain terms should be reserved for certain things.
SPEAKER_04:She was. So Lizzo weighed 440 pounds before this. Meaning that like for you, for you to get after, it's different for a 440-pound person to get after it.
SPEAKER_05:Like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking at pictures of her now.
SPEAKER_04:Like well, she's only 380 now. Let's take let's take it down there, buddy.
SPEAKER_05:Uh no, a good, honestly, good for her. If if if she I don't know shit about Lizzo, but if she has gotten to the point where she realized that body positivity is not garbage poor health, fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And I and I I do take that back. That the reputable source she says she wore it weighed 308 before the weight loss. So not 440. Okay, thank you. That's very different. Thank you very much. So she's down to like 240. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That's not bad. Yeah. Now can she keep going? Is she I think she will.
SPEAKER_02:Um, it was like uh the singer, Adele. Everyone was got pissed. Everyone got pissed when Adele lost weight. Oh, because she got hot. Because she lost weight, and like she was all about the positive. I I love who I am. Well, people were upset. People were upset that she lost sheet. It's like, why are you upset? Like it's so.
SPEAKER_05:Like they were upset that she got fit.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, because they're like, Well, I thought you were okay with who you are, and I thought, and it's like, well, I can't like that's just a stupid argument.
SPEAKER_04:It is a dumb argument.
SPEAKER_02:It's like, you mean being healthier? To me, that sounds like people should be mad at like using her her very much fatness to justify what they feel shitty about themselves. Yes. Because they're like, if you could be famous and and and and be happy with the you being overweight, then I am happy with who I am as overweight and don't have to do anything about it. Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_05:It's you use that as your lightning rod or measuring stick for your shape.
SPEAKER_04:But no one gets mad at like, but it's the opposite. Like, people should be not getting mad, but she's been very open about like Kelly Clarks and how she gained a bunch of weight. Yeah, no one is mad at her, but she's she admitted that yeah, it was just lifestyle changes, all that kind of stuff, and she lost the weight again.
SPEAKER_02:The best example of that is that dude, Seth something from the um remember the Titans movie? Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh he was that fat white kid in the kid. And he's Jack. What's his name? Seth something. Uh I'm pretty sure. Uh he but he like he decided he's gonna work. He's like now he's thick and like muscly and yeah, he got after it. He okay. I can say that for him? Yeah, okay. Because it looks like he got after it. Oh, okay. For him, I can say it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, Ethan's okay, I was wrong. Yeah, yeah. You're not even close.
SPEAKER_05:Seth.
SPEAKER_04:Well, he lost 280 pounds, so he did get after it. That's a lot. Jesus. Yeah. Um uh I've got to shake like 15 off here, and I'm feeling like a lot of things. How was Mexico, by the way? Uh good. It was good. I I gained 15 pounds, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And it was, it was it was interesting. Um, the one thing we didn't notice, and you're going soon, so you might see the same thing. There were a lot of Canadians there. No, okay. Like so many, but I don't know if it was just American people saying they're from Canada, because of the whole They're not gonna do something. Well, I don't know, I don't know. Because um a lot of Canadian people, because they did the games where it's like, oh, where are you from? Blah blah blah, and then Canada, and then everyone claps and they kick a ball or whatever. And so they did all these games at the resort and the kids' games and stuff, and everyone's from Canada, but there were a couple people from um Brazil and Africa, some South America people, some states people. And my wife and I played a game, like when people come up to do their exercise, I'm like, okay, let's play a game, let's let's just guess the country just where they're from. And all I did is I based my guess off body shape, and I was right 100% of the time. People from Brazil, um, from South America, they were vastly better in shape than everybody there. Dark skinned, too. Uh yeah, there's a couple people from Brazil. The guy from South Africa was white, though. But yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. But uh, and then there's a couple people from the states that were more than it's giap these days.
SPEAKER_05:Not badonkadonk. And that stands for girl girl your ass thick. Something like that, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, this is not me. This is not me saying this. Level 10 giat. Anyway, trying to tell a story. Sorry, I actually lots of scenes. Nobody says bedonkadonk. That's why I had to. Well, I didn't say bedonkadonk. Yeah, who says bedonka?
SPEAKER_05:It's weird. You did, you did.
SPEAKER_02:Weirdo.
SPEAKER_04:You did. Just make sure if your daughter was in the room, you said bedonkadonk.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, she'd be so embarrassed that you're like, oh dad. That's what she said. Okay, back to Brazil or something.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I just noticed that a lot of people are uh Canadians have generally have a general body shape compared to um the Americans.
SPEAKER_02:Americans who are fat? Yeah, they're a lot of fat Americans.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god. The weird thing was though, I'd get up and I'd get up early, I'd go have a breakfast by myself because everyone that everyone's still sleeping or whatever, it's 7 a.m. I'd go down to the buffet, and I'm there, and just a bunch of other sit, like just a bunch of other lone dads are there, and I looked around, and all the lone dads who were in the gym in the morning, they all just kind of looked like us. You know, like just just respectable kind of people or whatever. And then the 9 a.m. buffet line opens up and it just turns into Walmart. It is, but it was a good time.
SPEAKER_05:That's good. Do you enjoy Mexico? Oh, yeah. I do. But do you enjoy okay?
SPEAKER_04:We we I I enjoy I I enjoyed that. We did one day where I'm like, we got a tourist uh guide or whatever, like a personal one. He has a truck with a bunch of seats in the box, and he's like, Alright, get in, I'm gonna show you the city for the day. And it was just us, the family, and this guy, and we just went around to all the places that you don't normally see or the touristy spots. That's what I like to do. My wife is the opposite, she likes uh the beach and the touristy spots and all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_05:That sounds fucking terrible.
SPEAKER_04:The beach or the touristy spots? The beach.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, why is that terrible? I don't know. Because my only experience on the beach is Well, because you're you don't like the sun. You don't like the sun, you can't be around the sun.
SPEAKER_04:That's true.
SPEAKER_05:Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:We give you an umbrella hat, you're fine. It's okay.
SPEAKER_05:It's okay that we're different. We have different pers like ideas of what's fun.
SPEAKER_04:I would like I like to go around town and just like walk around Mazda Land and just do things random shops. That's so much fun.
SPEAKER_05:Totally. But like to go to Mexico to then just sit on the beach and do nothing, read a book. You can do that at home. Not on the beach in the sun, I'm drinking drinks for free.
SPEAKER_04:This was me before my wife let me experience it. It's way better.
SPEAKER_05:They're not free. You paid to go there. Well, they're yeah, but you paid to go.
SPEAKER_04:That's why you drink so much, you get your money's worth. Oh, I got uh I got tanked one night, too, and my kids have not seen me this drunk. It was uh I lost my sunglasses, it was embarrassing.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_04:And then the kids are making fun of me the rest of the trip.
SPEAKER_02:You're your your youngest. Hey dad, you drink it again? Hey dad, you haven't want another drink?
SPEAKER_04:He went and got me a drink from the you know, the the bars and all that kind of stuff. He went to the drink, he got he got alcoholic drinks and brought them to that's awesome. I was like, what the fuck kind of resort is this? How old's your youngest? Ten. Or sorry, youngest five, my best. My bad.
SPEAKER_05:That's gonna be one of his first memories of you. Oh, yeah, just drunk dad. That's just tasting Mexico.
SPEAKER_04:Whatever. Dad's getting after it. That's great. All right, getting after it. Getting after it, you know? And and I just I I constantly thought a couple times, you dick, about you telling me not to wear my shirt in the pool. What yeah. What makes you think I'm gonna wear my shirt in the pool? God. Did you I saw people wear their shirt in the pool. I am not those type of people. Anyway, I I thought of it a couple times down there and actually kind of got me blessed. It got a little riled up, so I get so I drank a bunch.
SPEAKER_05:Got all fired up and took my shirt off.
SPEAKER_02:Good. I'm glad you had a good time. We don't go till May.
SPEAKER_04:It'd be fun. I'm uh gonna be a February Mexico fan, I think, because it's like February's great.
SPEAKER_02:We just can't. My my wife with uh work, she just she's too stressful to go right now. Yeah, too busy.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, just go to Mexico. No, no, it's like a scene from you know the movie Wally? Yes. That's what I picture, is just everybody's.
SPEAKER_04:Oh no, it's not that. It's not that. They got like they have stuff going on. There's a water slide park, all like it's I just don't.
SPEAKER_05:I don't, it doesn't check any boxes for me. It's okay. I'm different than you. It's okay to be different.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, well, it's gonna be different, but don't be don't be condescending about how you're gonna be. I'm not being condescending. Yeah, you are a little condescending. Why am I being condescending?
SPEAKER_01:A bunch of feed people drinking sitting in the beach, a bunch of losers. Maybe I was being a little condescending.
SPEAKER_04:What's your ideal vacation? It's not my ideal vacation. What's your ideal?
SPEAKER_05:I don't like vacation. Pick a spot, go. I don't know. I've never been anywhere. Have you not? Well, like I've been a few places. Have you left the country? Yes, I've left the country. Okay. Okay. North America. North America. I was with you fucks when we left North America. Okay, but like Dominican. I guess that doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_04:Is the Dominican the farthest you've been? Have you been to the other island? There's other islands.
SPEAKER_05:Did you not enjoy the Dominican other than I enjoy the people? It doesn't matter. I I just enjoy the people. That's the thing.
SPEAKER_02:That was sitting on the beach and jumping pole.
SPEAKER_05:I did not get any more enjoyment out of sitting on the beach than I would have got not sitting on the beach.
SPEAKER_04:That's the dumbest thing you've ever said. What what's you have you been to like overseas?
SPEAKER_05:No.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. I'd like to. That that that is where you should go then. Don't don't shrug that off.
SPEAKER_05:No, I'd like to. I like I'd like to go to like like like Japan or Korea.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that that's that's in my Japan's in my top three. Totally. For sure.
SPEAKER_02:We might plan a trip for Japan at the end of this year. Do it.
SPEAKER_05:Because you're learning Japanese. Yes. And now that's the natural next step. Yes. Oh.
SPEAKER_04:My kids speak some Spanish because of the Spanish school they're in. Oh yeah. So then like me rolling down to the bar with uh my boy beside me, and then he just starts spouting out like I guess the the way you say things when you take classes, like he says hello, but I would say hello in Spanish, and they know that I'm just a white-y. But when he says hello, they just automatically pick up that he said it right and they're like, oh, and then they just throw a Spanish phrase out to him. It was weird.
SPEAKER_05:Like because you would say hola. Yeah, hola. He'd say like hola. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, he would say it, and they'd be like, oh, uh español, and then and then they just start talking and then just sitting there like a like a jackass, but I was drunk, so it's okay.
SPEAKER_05:That's gonna be JD in Japan. Yeah, Nichiwa.
SPEAKER_04:Just the whitest guy out there. Yes. Well, maybe not like that.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, next year we're gonna go far, I'm gonna go far away with you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. We need to like solidify some things for that year. Yeah, like like maybe some financial planning to do that. Yeah, we need like like approximate dates. This is happening. This is not happening if we do not sit down and if we go there, that's gonna be a lot of sitting too.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. Like that's a relaxing trip.
SPEAKER_02:Also, 30 hours in a plane. Yeah, I'm gonna be there. Yeah, have you seen how many planes have crashed lately? I have a lot of flipped. It's I don't like it.
SPEAKER_05:But they all walked away. Did anyone die?
SPEAKER_04:There were some people in critical.
SPEAKER_05:Delta's offering each of them$30,000. Yeah, kind of sounds like hush money. Oh, you don't take that. You don't take that.
SPEAKER_02:There's no strings attached, and there's a contract stating it doesn't affect any litigation. Oh, take it.
SPEAKER_05:100%. But then why would they give it a couple of years? It's like uh we're sorry. We're sorry, you almost died. Yeah. It was so close. You almost died.
SPEAKER_02:So close. It was you were. No idea how you're alive. You should be dead. But can you imagine if it's if it was you and your wife and two kids?
SPEAKER_04:That's 90 grand. I know. I mean, no.
SPEAKER_02:No, it's 120. But yeah, using math. Yeah, sorry.
SPEAKER_05:But like$120,000 will maybe pay for the amount of therapy you need to get home. You don't need therapy.
SPEAKER_02:You just never get on a plane again, but you don't need therapy.
SPEAKER_05:What what if you like what if you don't live in Toronto? What if you had to get home?
SPEAKER_02:You you rent a bus. Have you seen Home Alone where she jumps in the back of a U-Haul van with a bunch of band people?
SPEAKER_04:John Candy?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, John John Caddy and the uh oh, what was the band name? I can't remember. Would you you wouldn't fly again? I probably would never fly again.
SPEAKER_05:Bro, the the odds are the odds like you've you've got your one. Yeah. I don't know if yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Gus Polinski and the Kenesha Kenosha kickers. The Kenosha kickers. Yeah, that's right. Okay, are you telling me you haven't killed the middle?
SPEAKER_02:Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are you telling me you haven't seen Home Alone? Like, I'm sure I've seen it.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe.
SPEAKER_04:I'd hope so. You're just becoming my least favorite person tonight. I think that's a good thing. That's that's that's a staple. That's you have to, you would have seen that in your point at some point yet.
SPEAKER_05:I am the way I was created.
SPEAKER_04:No, but that's fine. You can change things, you can get after it with the movies.
SPEAKER_05:I don't want to get after it with the movies. Okay. Okay. Let's just go talk let's go back to talking about narrowly escaping death.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, yeah, Japan, top three for sure. For sure. Been to Taiwan, loved it because all that's all it is. You're just walking around the city. You've been to Taiwan? Yeah. Taipei? My sister used to teach there.
SPEAKER_05:That's super cool.
SPEAKER_04:We went for the wedding.
SPEAKER_05:Like the sister yours that would be way more interesting than you, but you never bring her on the podcast, sister? I can invite her to the podcast. Like the one that works in like AI?
SPEAKER_04:No, no, she's a teacher. That's a sister-in-law that works for AI.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay. Why Taipei is basically like going to China? Yeah. That's kind of neat.
SPEAKER_04:It was. It was super cool.
SPEAKER_05:When did you go there?
SPEAKER_04:Uh 15 years ago.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. Not that long ago.
unknown:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:In the grand scale of my life. It is less than half of my life. Yes, you're right.
SPEAKER_05:Somebody the other day was talking about like 2010. They're like, yeah, you know, back in 2010 this happened. In my head, I was like, yeah, like that was just like not that long ago. And then and then somebody was like, no, that's 15 years ago. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we're really old.
SPEAKER_04:Like time is starting to move too fast.
SPEAKER_02:My wife and I just had our 18th anniversary. 18th. 18 years. Whoa. Yeah. That's a big deal.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's fine. You guys have been married a long time. We have been.
SPEAKER_04:Because you reached the point I reached there later later last year where I've known my wife or or been with my wife longer than I haven't been.
SPEAKER_02:Have you reached there yet? No. We've been I think we've been together for 20 years. Like so we think we're together. Oh, you're close, though.
SPEAKER_04:So not quite. Yeah. You got some time for that still? You got a couple more years. Um yeah, I got a few more.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. But it's coming up. Because we are getting old.
SPEAKER_04:I'm okay with the I've for some reason it's not buggering me as much as I thought it would. It doesn't bother me though. Well, no, it doesn't bother me. Besides, you know, the the aches and pains.
SPEAKER_02:The only thing that bother it doesn't bother me. It's just the only thing I think when you think about it that can get to you is the idea of like when you're gone, the missing things. Like obviously you can't care because you're dead and you wouldn't you can't miss something if you're if you no longer exist. But just the thought of like now, like if if I happen to die like tonight, like what I would miss in my family's life, right? Versus again, that's the side. No, that I will miss that have not happened. You know, like you're not you wouldn't be around for. And I think that's the thing that it's like, I don't want to die anytime soon because I don't want to miss those things that are gonna that are inevitably gonna happen, like my kids getting married, grandkids, like the things in life that like you know are are probably the most important things or the most satisfying things. And it's like some of that, some of that stuff's happened for sure, and that's awesome. But then you're like, well, there's stuff that I want to be around for.
SPEAKER_04:Um yeah, we're we're making like my wife and I are making long-term things like like long-term plans we talk about. Like, like when the kids go and graduate uh at Christmas time, we're gonna have a tournament, and it's gonna be a Scrabble or Jenga or some sort of game that we're gonna play every single year, and it's gonna be a staple tournament that we do at our house every year.
SPEAKER_02:Arm wrestles.
SPEAKER_04:Something like yeah, we do we do that already with my family. You I told you that story. Yeah, like something like that. And uh, we're excited to have that tradition. And it's it's like 15, 16 years in the future still.
SPEAKER_02:You know what actually you said there, I think that's what I thought about that I think I would assume most most couples need to think about.
SPEAKER_04:I hate you, I hate you, CJ.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, like so okay. So what you just said made me think that I that your English is terrible tonight. What you just said. Did you have a cookie? I did not. What you said made me think that you as a couple should really have conversations about what is the plan with our lives when our kids are gone.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, we got that.
SPEAKER_02:See, I I don't we've never had that conversation. But it's like you because like obviously that happens quicker than you expect.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, bro. That's gonna happen in like five years for you.
SPEAKER_02:Oh god, that's that is not far away. My eleven. Okay. So but still, like seven years is not long, right? But but so in seven years, if the if they leave the house, which likely somebody would still be in the house, but then it's like, okay, what is our plan? Like, what do we want to do?
SPEAKER_05:Whatever the fuck you
SPEAKER_02:Right, but I th but again I think if that's not a conversation and like that where you're not on the same page to some degree with that prior to it happening, you know, it would I think that would be a good conversation to I I was very happy.
SPEAKER_04:We had that we actually had like this conversation, like a really in-depth one. We had some cookies and then had this conversation and we're both on the exact same page of what we want. But I'm like, why haven't we had this conversation 20 years ago?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I don't think you think about it. I don't think honestly and I don't think it matters 20 years ago because I and interest change. That's exactly it. I think that the what you would have said 20 years ago is gonna be different than what you say today. Yeah, because I mean for sure. It's right, yeah. Right. So that conversation I don't think is that important then, but I think now with for me with my it being closer, like five to seven years away, it's like that's a conversation and uh lifestyle thing you need to start planning. And okay, what is it what is our plan? What do we want to do? Do we want to do a couple trips a year? Do we want like what is the thing?
SPEAKER_05:I I just want to get up in the middle of the week on like a sunny July morning without anybody, any any need to like even care if my phone rings or not. Put my phone down because it doesn't matter because I'm retired. Kids are gone. Uh-huh. Yeah, no, this is good. Nine. I'm gonna make a latte. Yeah, I'm gonna roll a fat joint. Oh, jeez. And I'm gonna sit on my deck all morning.
SPEAKER_04:So you know where you could do this exact thing right now besides the fat joint? Mexico. It doesn't because that's exactly what it is. You wake up, you don't have your phone on you, you just I just you go, you work out, you go have breakfast, you sit on the beach for like a couple hours in the morning.
SPEAKER_05:You're not retired. This is my retirement. Like, this is like kids have gone, retirement. That's like that is what's gonna make me happy. So is your and I I think that won't make you happy.
SPEAKER_04:You're gonna you need to be busy. You're you're a homebody. You're like us, you're a homebody.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, uh incredibly so, yeah. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think I am more so that than I've ever been. Um, do you think, and this is where I struggle with it, because like I sometimes I would rather be at home than doing things that probably would be fun. You know what I mean? Totally. And so I'm like, but then it's like, am I is that bad, or like am I missing opportunities to like experience some things because versus just saying, no, I'd rather just sit at home and do that. That thought crosses my mind often. Because again, like if we are the sum of our experiences, if that is that is who we are as people, at the end of your life, you're laying in your deathbed and you're like, Well, I really uh had a lot of lattes and smoked a lot of joints.
SPEAKER_05:Whoa. Uh and as trite as it sounds, you don't know what you don't know. Completely. So yeah, I uh the thought has crossed my mind a lot. Is like being a homebody is a comfortable thing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, he's working on it. I'm working on it.
SPEAKER_05:A couple squares a day. Uh being a homebody is a comfortable thing, but it may not be the right thing all the time.
SPEAKER_04:No, it's the right thing if it makes you happy.
SPEAKER_05:But it does, but whatever. But comp like comfort equates to happiness, and I I don't comfort does not equate to growth.
SPEAKER_04:No. Yeah, but at that point, do you still want to be growing?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, 100%. To the day I die.
SPEAKER_04:Well then why are you just getting up and just Well, because I don't want to do it every day.
SPEAKER_05:I just want to do it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, you want the freedom to be able to do that on a random Wednesday. Yes, that is a only in July. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Kate, I'm gonna take this off track because you said something that made me think about a really morose thought I had yesterday that I like I I think I need to talk about. Let's talk. Let's talk about it. Well, I was just sitting there last night thinking about like actually our group of friends and the people that like you're like kind of like, oh, like these are all the people that are in my life that I like I I are important to me. And I and I at first I was thinking about myself, but then I was like, at some point, like the odds would suggest that there is going to be somebody that dies an untimely death. Oh, yep. Yeah, and I was just like, that's a fucking depressing. Don't like that. Don't like that at all.
SPEAKER_04:Because I was like, oh, I can't. Here's the worst part about it, though. Think of our group of friends. There will be one person who will go to every one of our funerals.
SPEAKER_07:Oof.
SPEAKER_04:Right? No, seriously. That did you we maybe listen to the same podcast because that they talked about this like it was like a week ago. No, the Sean Ryan one, I think. I don't know. Anyway, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I oof I don't like that thought.
SPEAKER_04:It could be you.
SPEAKER_05:It could also not be me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I could. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I and that's uh I don't think it's a bad thing to think about, like in some form, but yeah, if you dwell on it, it definitely can ruin your ruin your week.
SPEAKER_05:I was definitely dwelling a little bit because like we're just so comfortable that tomorrow is gonna be much like today. Yeah, tomorrow's gonna be much like today, and like yeah, and then at some point it's just gonna change completely because like somebody that is in your life is not gonna be there anymore, or you're gonna die and it won't matter anyways.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, for the person that's not that's gone. I mean, obviously that's nothing to think about anymore. But um I go through weird phases and I have to force myself to get out of the thought process sometimes of that kind of thought process because I've it'll be random. I'm driving home from work and all of a sudden I'm thinking, okay, I wonder, because like maybe I'm gonna go pick up somebody, like my kid from something, and I'm like, what if I get there and they're like gone, like and they're like missing. And I'm like, okay, what would I do? Okay, if they're missing, and then I'm like, what if my what if my wife was in a collision today and she's dead? Yeah, or like maybe like I'm at home and I stay home and my wife's taking the kids some somewhere and then they're gone and like half an hour later I start thinking, like, what if they get in a collision and they all die? We all have those thoughts. I hate those fucking thoughts. Completely, and then it's like that for some crazy reason that happens, but the problem becomes when it's like you start playing that out. Because I I'll get uh because it'll it'll have two options here in my head. It's like either I'm like, okay, that's stupid, don't think about that stupid thing and move on with life. Or it's like I go down the rabbit hole of like, holy shit, what would I do? Like, okay, like what I'd have to sell a place, then I what would I would I stay here? Would I move? Okay, I got some life insurance money coming, but like that's gonna suck because now it's like I feel like this is like blood money. Like, I just get and you go down this weird- You're not the one who killed them though. I know, but it's like but like you start like now. Do I feel guilty because like I my life, I have this money that now life is life is almost easier in some ways because of that from a financial standpoint. But but I like what's the point of life? Do I just kill myself now? Because like no, literally, like this is like do you not have never thought this way? Oh, dude.
SPEAKER_04:I I sometimes do, but I never go down that rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_02:I always like uh if I if I spiral, if I like don't like get a hold of how many times a week does this happen to you? I wouldn't say it's weekly, but I mean I think it depends. I I don't I couldn't tell you a number how often it happens, but then how does that thought get in your head? Like that's the weird thing. Honestly, honestly, I I like literally I don't know if this happens to everybody, or it's a function of our job at the nursing home to kind of play scenarios out and visualize things in your in that happen in life, yeah, and then to think if this then what? And then for me, like I start doing that with this stupid things like this. Um, but the problem I find with that is it can really hamper your ability to let so for example, my 15-year-old uh what is gonna go skiing with her friend and her friend and their dad tomorrow, and I'm like, of course, I of course I should say yes and you should go. But then I'm like, well, but like what if something happens? And I and I let her go. Like, am I gonna feel guilty that I shouldn't have let her go? You can't do that. I know that, man, but like my if you allow yourself that, and if and and if I'm being a homebody makes it harder because this is like my this is like your comfort and your safety, and so like you want everyone in the comfort and safety.
SPEAKER_05:And this is but this is part of why I'm a homebody. Right. Because this like everything is okay right now.
SPEAKER_04:So do you ever get like thinking the only thing that I would relate to that is like I'll be uh saying a couple weeks on driving, and I got in this fake confrontation in my head about about a oh, this is normal? Like something that never happened, it probably wasn't gonna happen in the future, but if it happened, this is what they would say, and I'd fucking say this, and then I and I and I parked and I just I just I parked my truck and I'm like fuck like out loud and I'm like, what am I doing? Yeah, this this situation hasn't even happened. You like that kind of a thing? 100%. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly the same thing. 100% the same thing. I do that, yeah or like it's or like you wake up from a dream, like you had a dream that's like your wife cheated on you or something, and you wake up and you're just pissed, and like you can't let go of it. Like, I can't believe she said that I can't believe they do that. And you're like, okay, she didn't wake her up, it didn't happen, and then but like it takes a while to be like, okay, this is not a thing. I've never had that happen with a dream. Oh, really?
SPEAKER_05:But I'll play that out. Like, I'll play that out where like I'll be like driving to work and I'll be like, you know, fucking Jason, you know, what if he just did that? Then that motherfucker.
SPEAKER_04:Fake confrontation.
SPEAKER_05:And then, like, because like I would call it like ruminating, right? You start to ruminate on these things, and then you're like, What am I doing?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I I catch myself though, but 100%. I think um in cognitive behavioral therapy, it's like catastrophizing, it's like taking like taking something and like thinking the worst possible thing that always could happen in that situation and dwelling on it. And so, like, what that's what people something people sometimes do, and they get stuck in those patterns, and then it's just everything sucks, everything's terrible, everything could be the worst thing ever. And I think we all have the uh the ability to do that if we allow ourselves to, but I just like you said, like, I've had times where I've had to like I'll get like teary-eyed. Like, I'll be thinking I'll be driving home thinking about like my whole family might be dead for and like I'll start like getting like emotional, and I'm like, what is wrong with me here? And I have to like slap myself and get like get like snap out of it before I get home because otherwise I'm gonna be in this weird mood when I show up at home for for no reason for more chaos in my life.
SPEAKER_04:Like you get home and it's like okay, now you just appreciate it more.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, if if you can switch that script from okay, no way, this obviously it didn't happen.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, you guys are okay. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. You can't be weird like that. But like, yeah, I mean, maybe that was the where you need to bring in that gratitude and that appreciation for no, I'm I I my situation I have now is I can't take it for granted. Mementum ori, we're all gonna die one day. All that kind of stuff comes back. If you can, if you can shift the thought process, right? But that's the key is shifting it.
SPEAKER_05:And I don't know if it's uh that that's why meditation's important. Yeah. Because like, especially because you'll like I'll ruminate on like, oh, somebody said something to me and I that didn't honor it, maybe I took it the wrong way, but then this and that, and then you and then like meditation would be the power to then be like remove yourself from that and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. You're just your thoughts are not like accurate, or they're not you here, like just well, and that's the crazy thing about completely that about thoughts.
SPEAKER_02:Like, where does that come from? Like, why randomly I'm driving home and you go down that down that pattern because I don't want to think about this, I don't want to get started thinking and playing this out of my head. So it's like if you're not the author of your thoughts, then what is? Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:We've had we talked about this completely or whatever, but yeah. Yeah, so I I do the same thing as you said. Yeah, it's normal.
SPEAKER_05:Have you guys ever had thoughts? And this is a spectrum, and I've talked to at least one person we work with that's like, yes, dude, this is normal. But like you'd be like, it's like we'd be sitting here right now and be like, what if I just punch Jason in the face?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's normal. Yeah, okay, right?
SPEAKER_05:No, but that goes anywhere, right? Yeah, 100%. But like you're just like, oh, and then you're like, oh my god, I can't believe I just like it. 100%.
SPEAKER_04:100%.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah, I think I've thought things of that before, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And it it makes it worse when the person you're talking to or yourself have a bunch of tools as well. And you're like, what if this happened? What if they use it 100%? Yeah, I'm not saying it, but you just did the action. Like, what if that happened?
SPEAKER_05:100%.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, that's normal then.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Okay, good. All right.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Uh not like it's not all the time, but yeah, there's been fleeting thoughts.
SPEAKER_05:I think what the, but I also think people come from other people to tell them that like that happens to everyone. Yeah. Completely. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that is normal. We all think.
SPEAKER_04:Or it just happens to that one other person and us three, and now every one of our 10 listeners are gonna be like, oh, they're fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_02:And maybe but honestly, I'm curious I I'd actually am very curious if we are different in like it happens to us more because of the fact that we kind of use that as a tool in our job to some degree. That's a good point. Uh, versus the average person maybe doesn't like visualize a whole bunch or um think like think down the roads of if this happens and what would I do? And but that's l that's what we do all the time. So it's interesting. I'd be curious to know if that's something that everyone thinks.
SPEAKER_04:I did bring it up um way back when I went to some therapy and stuff like that. Um, and I brought that up. And they're like, Yeah, it's normal. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I think maybe we just need to be reminded that that's normal. Yeah, like our thoughts are fucking because your thoughts are not you, and that I think was a big thing, is like a takeaway is like the things because I the therapist that I have seen has said, like, dude, like whatever your thoughts are, like you put it on a cloud, it floats away. He's like, But that's not you. Like, that's not like you know, those are transient things that come and go.
SPEAKER_02:And that's where that meditation comes into play, like observing it from like uh unbiased, like, oh, that's an interesting thought. Okay, it goes, it goes over there, it disappeared, and just kind of seeing it happen and like but not attaching like meaning to it or uh value, maybe.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like an intrinsic, like you just label it. Like there's a thought, I would want that one, it was odd. That's a weird one. Glad that one's gone.
SPEAKER_02:Glad I didn't act out on that one.
SPEAKER_05:Or sometimes you'll be like driving home and you'll be like, hey, like what if there's like a humongous car crash just down the road and then I have to do like all these things?
SPEAKER_02:So what about people who like hear voices? Do you think that that's similar to how we can have thoughts that obviously we didn't want to have, but now instead of that, it's literally a voice being like, Hey man, I think you should do this thing.
SPEAKER_04:That is, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Does it sound like that? Hey man, hey like because I'm gonna be really worried about it. Punch Jason in the face. Is it Batman? Is Batman talking to me?
SPEAKER_04:But what is what does your voice in your head sound like, Joan? Like not your voice, but when you're thinking to yourself, does it sound like you? I don't think there's a sound.
SPEAKER_05:I 100% it sounds like you.
SPEAKER_04:I don't see that's the that's the weird conversation because I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:I don't I don't I would not ever say that I could tell you there's a sound associated. There's no sound to me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I hear people say that, and I hear people say it sounds like them.
SPEAKER_05:It's you it's you're you were talking to yourself. No. What?
SPEAKER_04:I've heard both, I've heard both. What are you both with me? I am I am, it sounds like me. Thank you. Are you saying But I've heard people say like I don't hear a voice.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so are you saying that if you had a thought, so the thought of I want to maybe I should punch Jason in the face right now? Yeah. Like just that words. Are you thinking you're saying that you hear that in your head?
SPEAKER_05:Like sometimes, like I think the term is actually sub-vocalization. Okay. Sometimes I hear my own voice as I think think think things through.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, some people do. Yeah. You don't at all? I I do sometimes.
SPEAKER_05:Do you think in pictures like a dog?
SPEAKER_04:Try and think try like try. Try and think in your own voice right now.
SPEAKER_02:I don't I I don't think I do. I I think I just it's like close your eyes, I guess is a dream here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Like if you get into a scenario, like, and this is where I would would hear my voice, if something happens and you're like, okay, why do I feel this way? Do you not hear your voice in your head ask that question? No. Oh, that's so weird.
SPEAKER_02:Really? No, I definitely don't. I I would I would like I almost would like not picture the words, but like it's like I yeah, there's definitely not a voice associated. I I'm still thinking that that thinking that thing, but there's not like a voice in my head being like the fuck. I I've never thought of that. You've never heard your own voice in your head. No. Wow.
SPEAKER_01:What is going on?
SPEAKER_02:Like, I don't like I obviously like I'll have like a thought, but like in it it's not coming from like a there's no vocal thing attached to it. There's no audio. But what is it then? A thought.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know. Can you look up on Grok and see how many people do?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it it uh it doesn't say not available.
SPEAKER_05:Like some people don't hear their own thoughts. I have read that before, and obviously you are in that group.
SPEAKER_02:Like I like it uh yeah, I don't hear, I don't hear any I don't hear a thought. I have a thought. But then how do you five to ten percent don't? Okay. That doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_04:A condition tied to aphthmantasia. What's what's that? It's no mental imagery.
SPEAKER_02:See, but I can like I can obviously visualize and have mental imagery, but but like there's not a uh a sound. Uh it seems weird to me there'd be a sound associated when there's no sound, it's in my head. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Have you ever tried to sit down and visualize like an object? Like say like say you sit down and you're like, hey, picture a horse. Have you ever tried to do that? I just did.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I got a horse. I got a horse. What kind of horse? Mine's brown. Mine's Clydesdale. Oh, you went big. I just went like a standard brown horse. Huh?
SPEAKER_02:I just thought of a horse and I thought of a big thing. How detailed is your horse?
SPEAKER_05:Like if you're visualizing a horse right now, like how detailed can you make it?
SPEAKER_02:Uh it's like black and white. It's got like the big like fur on the like the paw the paws. What did I call it? Not paws. Hooves. Hooves. It's like because like the Clydesdale's got like the kind of thicker, like fur, not fur, but you called it paws. Shut up. I just I picture, yeah, that's what I picture. Big giant horse.
SPEAKER_04:I I have the the horse from like a kid's book.
SPEAKER_05:I really struggle to like visualize things like that. That's see, I'm not I'd have no issue with that. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Like if you're like visualize a horse, like it's very think of like your bedroom door. Can you put that in your my bedroom door? Just something in your fucking house. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's always like foggy or fuzzy. Like it's kind of like low detail.
SPEAKER_02:I I think, and but I think it's always it'll be in it's interesting because like you say, hey, visualize a dog. Because you've had dogs all your life, you probably visualize a dog that looks like one of the dogs you've had. Yeah. Yeah. Where it's so for me, like when you say visualize a horse, I think the reason that came into my mind, because I remember like there's a specific thing I remember with my grandpa and these Clydesdales, and like, and and I don't know, it's like I I don't think you associate that when you start when you start like analyzing why did I think of that horse, I think, or why did I think of that dog, you might have like a reason why, but your brain just like immediately thinks of the thing, and then the the sp the specificity of it, I think, is probably based on your with the your life, that's something that's happened in your life that makes you think of that specific thing. Yeah. I don't know, it's interesting. I don't think I'm hearing voices at all.
SPEAKER_04:I wonder if anyone has an inner voice that doesn't sound like them. That would be weird and uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_05:Although you don't actually sound like you anyways, because you know when you listen to recordings of yourself and you're like, I hate the way I sound. Yeah. Yeah. Like when I listen to this podcast, and I'm like, you hate the way you sound? I don't like it. I don't know. But you just sound like you sound to everybody else. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I just sound I just sound like people are thinking they want to punch me in the face, I guess, CJ. I would never suggest that.
SPEAKER_05:He thought about it one time. One time. I had one fleeting thought about punching you in the face. Yeah. That's fine. Uh okay, well, that's interesting. Yeah I I I'm somewhat astounded by that.
SPEAKER_02:I I always kind of thought inner voice was like just the term, but like the actual voice part.
SPEAKER_05:See, I know somebody that moved to uh Peru, one of the South American countries. She she was a missionary, she moved down there, met her husband, stayed down there, and she came back years later to visit, and she spoke like fluent Spanish, and I was like, Oh, like what's it like? Like, you know, living in a Spanish country speaking fluent Spanish. She's like, Well, I think in Spanish now.
SPEAKER_02:That's weird. I could see that happening. I remember actually my friend's teacher growing up says that she has like weird dreams where she would have like is partially in French and partially in English, because she just and yeah, it'll be like depends on the day.
SPEAKER_05:She's oh which I think would be a hallmark of fluence. Is that a word? I think fluency. Fluency. Um, because I couldn't imagine thinking in another language.
SPEAKER_02:Is it is interesting, like I I I can't either, but so trying to learn like I'm trying to learn a language right now, and it's interesting because I'm trying to force myself to like during the day think about like I know very minimal words right now, but think about during the day like in in that way. So like how so instead of like saying like hello or goodbye, or like what instead of just like automatically thinking it in English, being like, Okay, what's the what's the term in the But do you hear it in your head when you think it in Japanese? Well, he doesn't hear voices in his head though. Yeah, I don't hear it, but like I see. It's like I it happens. Like I don't I don't have no voice. Like you're like, No, but it's like freaking me out. It's like I see it or I I like I hear it in quotation marks, meaning like it's happening. I think I want to do an Instagram poll.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I want to see if you're the only freak out there.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's it's it's different. It's five to ten percent of people. I'm gonna have to think about this more because I I No, it is very straightforward.
SPEAKER_05:Like, yeah, like I don't think we're using any words that wouldn't accurately cover like I'm gonna drive home, just say that in your head. There's definitely no voice.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god. I don't understand how you could have a voice.
SPEAKER_05:Can you make yourself have a voice in your head? Like can you talk to yourself right now if you needed to?
SPEAKER_04:No, I think we're gonna break his brain or something. What about when you're running?
SPEAKER_05:So when you're running and things are you're in some deep water, you're getting after it, you and Lizzo.
SPEAKER_02:So you know it's okay. Interesting you bring that up. Because I know I've I've even said on here before where there was a problem before I I started running a lot, I hated it, and so I'd have those conversations in my head. Didn't you read a book called How to Talk to Yourself? Yeah, it was before all this. So like when I was talking I'm talking years ago, but I'm trying to like do like a 5K, and in the first five in the first kilometer, I'm like, ah, you know what? If I just like fell down and like got hurt, then I wouldn't have to do this. Or like, why am I doing this? This is stupid. And like that's happening in my head the whole time. But I don't think I associate a voice with that. It's just like I'm thinking these things, like, oh man, if I just was injured, this wouldn't have to, I wouldn't have to do this. Or if I just like, oh why, why am I? I should just walk, I should walk. No, I gotta run, keep running, keep running. No, I gotta walk, I'm gonna walk. And this is for sure happening the whole time, but I don't necessarily think it's a it's not like it's not a voice. I'm just thinking it.
SPEAKER_05:So when you're like, say you're running up a hill and you have like benchmarks on the hill, right? The next light post, the next light post. Like I will be telling myself, Kate, you just need to get to the next light post. I will hear my voice in my head saying that.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I will be doing the same thing, but I don't think I hear it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Like I'll be having the same thoughts, like, okay, let's go push, push that post, push that post, keep going, keep going. But it's almost like you have a unique brain. I don't know. I I don't I didn't think that was weird. I just thought you think things, not hear them while you think them.
SPEAKER_05:I wonder what else you think you do then like nobody else does.
SPEAKER_02:That's a crazy thing. Like we all live in our own heads, and so we have no idea how everyone else experiences the world.
SPEAKER_04:Like, if your if your brain can do like one thing perfectly, if you could pick one thing, like a cheat code for your brain to do perfectly, what would that thing be?
SPEAKER_05:Uh Operate without bias.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, really? Yeah, I would do memory. Perfect memory.
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_04:Oh. Operate without bias, eh? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That is that is why.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, why? Perfect memory.
SPEAKER_02:Perfect memory.
SPEAKER_04:Everything you ever look at is that. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02:But going back to the operator, what do you think that you're doing right now that hinders you because of bias?
SPEAKER_05:Well, and I think you might be looking at bias me being like, I believe that all people bald people are fucking low testosterone. Um Right? No, I mean like like literally a cognitive bias where like your brain is a is a like predict it's a it's always running just a predictive algorithm. Right. It's trying to predict the next thing that happens. However, your experiences have shaped those predictions and they are biased.
SPEAKER_02:But those biases allow I I agree, which I know what you're saying, but I think those biases allow us to um do things quicker or respond to things totally.
SPEAKER_05:But they're also the reason why you miss really important details when you see things or when you make decisions, or um and I man, if I thought you'd have an open mind, a perfect open mind. Yeah, but just operate without bias, right? Because then you could assess the information you're receiving from the world and make better decisions.
SPEAKER_04:He kind of backed it up. I still think perfect memory. I still think that's terrible.
SPEAKER_01:What would you do? I uh like what he said. You can't, you you you do this every podcast.
SPEAKER_05:No, you can't use that such a good one. I don't give a fuck. You took it. You can't use his example. What three words would you say to yourself?
SPEAKER_04:Bitcoin, hold on. He would be able to hear his own voice. I don't think I'd do anything with his great. Anything.
SPEAKER_05:I just want an original thought to appear in your head. Telepathy.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah. Like that. That counts. That counts. How does that count? It's about the mind. His mind can do anything perfectly.
SPEAKER_02:Telepathy. But you have to presume then that telepathy is. Oh, that's a good one. Uh, have you seen that movie where she unlocks more percentage of her brain and she can do that?
SPEAKER_04:No, that's a that's that's uh Bradley Cooper.
SPEAKER_02:No, there's also a girl, a one with uh Shirley Steron.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's right. I can't remember.
SPEAKER_02:Limitless was a great movie. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04:Shirley Steron.
SPEAKER_02:But that was she he that was more memory recall and understanding. Limitless? Yeah. No, it was he took a pill, NZT. I know that, but I'm saying it allowed him to like remember remember.
SPEAKER_04:How can you remember that, but you don't remember Home Alone? You just you're just just the worst.
SPEAKER_05:Look up where to buy NZT.
SPEAKER_04:Is that what it was called in Limitless? 100%. 100%.
SPEAKER_02:Did you listen? Did you listen to our last one that you weren't on?
SPEAKER_04:No, I start I I was gonna. And uh then But it was good at it, but I just didn't. But then the this Sean Ryan one with this Tony Stark kind of guy popped up, and it is amazing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I gotta listen to that one still.
SPEAKER_04:The weapons designer? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05:That would be a statement I wish I could remove from people's vocabulary. I was gonna. Oh, but you didn't.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but like I hit the hit the Spotify, hit the play, but then when it got in my truck, it just went to the last, the latest Sean Ryan one instead of ours, and I'm like, oh okay. But I should have listened to the one with Tanter.
SPEAKER_05:Um did you look up where I can buy NZT? No, it's it's not.
SPEAKER_04:It's it's not real. Well, you don't know that. Well, I guarantee there's a place trying it out. NZ NZT157. Oh, there's an NZT48 brain booster, it's a nootropic. So there you go.
SPEAKER_02:Can you look up uh side effects of BPC 157?
SPEAKER_04:Uh perfection is what it says.
SPEAKER_02:Um You're too fit. You're too five. Uh something I wrote down in my notes uh about this podcast was uh Ooh, there's a lot a converse a conversation They're not good ones either. Okay, it's lies. I don't want to know uh a conversation we had with somebody in um our change room about the idea of like health and longevity, like it's something we talk about a ton, and something that we people we know all are our group, we talk about, we think about, we focus on. Uh so but the question that he asked and I was a good question was do you think that is just a symptom of aging, or do you think it's because it's like in general, it's more in the public consciousness, and so that's a conversation already happening, or is it like everyone who's kind of gets mid-30s to 40s starts thinking about their immortality mortality, not immortality, and because of that they start leaning into okay, I gotta do something.
SPEAKER_05:I've definitely had those thoughts, questions. Or is it the group of people you surround yourself with?
SPEAKER_02:It's also yeah, I think that's also probably a big thing. But it's it's the reason why I think it's not necessarily just the aging thing is again, look at our parents, right? It was just it wasn't as much in the public consciousness to think about uh diet, exercise.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, look at all the bags of milk in between the age of 30 and 45 walking around Walmart.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. True, yeah. So then that that but that would lean to it's the group of people you're surrounding yourself with. It's the bags of milk.
SPEAKER_04:Just a bunch of melted candles walking around.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But it's it's gotta be both like self-preservation, you'd have to, like caveman-wise, you'd have to think about how to live longer. You just do. That's it's built in our brains to want to live longer. So now that all this information is out there, you have to be I I think you'd have to be crazy not to even at least think about it when you're gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but there's a lot I I agree with you, but there's a lot of people who don't.
SPEAKER_05:But it's all probably is it's fun to take care of your shit. Yeah. Like yourself. Like it's it's fun when you like I f you feel good when you're like, oh, I'm gonna like fucking put new tires in my truck because like I care. Like it's the same idea.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah. Like you clean your garage. And when you clean your garage, you get done cleaning your garage, you're like, yeah, this is I like this.
SPEAKER_02:So like you when you make your bed. Yeah, you make your bed. Yeah, you're right. 12 rules of life.
SPEAKER_05:The mechanic in the expanse, he had a sign in his spaceship that said, take care of her and she'll take care of you.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I like that. Oh, like the spaceship is a female, he just gendered it. Is that what he did?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he likes female spaceships.
SPEAKER_05:Why can't it? What's wrong with it? Females can be spaceships.
SPEAKER_04:I had a I had a sweet NyQuil dream about it. Anyway, sorry. I took some Nyquel, I haven't taken Nyquel in forever. I had the biggest lucid, like, Nyquel dream ever. I was on a spaceship with uh Riley from work. That's weird. We're fighting aliens, no big deal.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I just want to back up a second. Uh I don't think females can be spaceships too, but I think spaceships can be females too. That's all. I just wanted to correct that.
SPEAKER_01:What did I say? You said females can be spaceships too. It's 2025. That's true. That's true.
SPEAKER_02:Uh but I like that. Yeah, like take care of it, it'll take care of you. And I and I but so I guess like I don't I like everything, that's probably not there's not a clear answer to this. I I think that it's a combination of the people we hang out with all to talk about it because we're all we're all concerned with it and we want to be better, but also we're getting older, and also the public consciousness, I think, is or at least the people we listen to and we follow uh are talking about it.
SPEAKER_05:I notice more and more people cooking uh giving up alcohol, which I find super interesting that last 18 months or so. Yeah, yeah. Just yeah, but you don't have to.
SPEAKER_04:The drinking behavior didn't no my drinking behavior from like five years ago is drastically different. Yeah, me too. It's just by your stories about Mexico, it was pretty much. Oh no, but like I I went I went nuts and that's fine, but I'm like now I'm just like, I just why feel a little crappy the next day.
SPEAKER_02:But then why do it then? Because it's fun then. It is what it is, it's fun. It's fun then just just go there, just go there. No, don't force him. He doesn't want to go.
SPEAKER_04:If it's Nah, you can just be a pouty little friends.
SPEAKER_02:I can almost assure you I'll never go.
SPEAKER_04:Um Yeah, but your friends are your family, so you can go with your family.
SPEAKER_02:I think but I think also I think a lot of our uh yeah, a lot of the people we know have done have stopped drinking and accountability to each other, and we've kind of pulled each other along. So like some people like do something and they're like, oh, we should we should do that too, or we should try that. Or uh if those idiots can run 100k, then we should try running 100k.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I love the social peer pressure aspect of it.
SPEAKER_02:It's really good.
SPEAKER_05:But like I know you'll come back from Mexico in May and you'll sit here and you'll be like, oh, you know, like I'm just really thinking of giving up drinking, like you know. You I don't think I would I could dig up an episode from last year. I know you could.
SPEAKER_02:I know you could, but my point is I think I am good with where I'm at with the alcohol stuff. I rarely drink. Uh every once in a while I'll have some wine. And if I go to Mexico, I will drink for the week.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Isn't it funny to think just not too long ago, like more weekends and not or more weekends and not, you'd be like, Yeah, sit down with the like have a beer.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I went through a few, I went through a period of time where I was drinking like a box of wine a week. Like I was just crushing it. Oh, really? Oh, it was bad. And I I was like, it was like, why? And I just it was like I'd come home and I'd and buy the boxes because they're cheap, number one. Number two, it was just like you don't know how much you're pouring. There's like five bottles in a box, and so you just pour a glass, have a glass, pour second glass, third glass, and you're like, how many have I had? I don't know. Uh and I can't see because the box it's a box. Nice and warm and tingly, it's feeling good. Yeah, and it just uh I got a little chubby and we all go through that's the thing, it's all like very like phases.
SPEAKER_05:It is it is but if you're trending upwards, like your investments.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I think I think that we in general, uh most of the people we hang out with, associate with are all kind of on a good trajectory. Hey, and if you're listening to this and you feel like you're not, uh hit us up and we will get after you. We will come yell at you or style or provide some sort of I don't know encouragement to continue. And if and also if you're listening to this and you are 14 or 15 years old, first of all, I don't know if you're still listening. I don't know if you should.
SPEAKER_04:You know what? At this point's the parents' fault. At this point's the parents' fault. We've you know what we've invited six more friends.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, first of all, tell more friends to listen. Second of all, get into the gym. Get to the gym. Yeah, and don't don't drink. You don't need it. And don't drink, you're too young. It's not gonna be good for your brain. It doesn't make you cool. It's yeah, it's just gonna wreck your brain. Uh also work out. Um, don't get crazy with the weights at that at that age, but like start doing some push-ups.
SPEAKER_05:Just mix in some push-ups, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, push-ups and run. Sprints.
SPEAKER_04:Get off the nicotine.
SPEAKER_02:They're not on nicotine.
SPEAKER_04:At that 100% they're on nicotine. No. Yeah, dude. Yeah, get off that. At that age, get off that.
SPEAKER_05:And the vaping No, vaping is and zins. Lame. Vaping is super lame. But they're not zinning.
SPEAKER_02:They one hundred percent kids are doing that.
SPEAKER_04:They are ridiculous.
SPEAKER_02:Yo. Hey, if you're listening and you are, stop, spit it out. It's not good for you. Yeah. Were you Zinn in for a while? I've never did it one time. The one time. That's it. Literally one time, and I didn't like it. Well, I kind of did, and I kind of didn't. I did a but then I was like, maybe I should start. Everyone's doing it.
SPEAKER_04:I took a big break, and then um, I don't know if it was when on one of our meetings that you and I were in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then she tossed me one and I put it in, and I realized I was not ready to get back in the game. It was it was rough, and I was sweating, had to go to the bathroom. I'm like, this is not what am I doing?
SPEAKER_05:I like the weakness that it makes me feel until I like I don't. Every time I'm like, oh, I feel so good, and then two minutes later, I'm like, I feel like shit.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's exactly what happened to me when I first had when I did the first time I did it, and I'm like, I'm never doing this again. Like, I hate that feeling. Like it's good for like a minute or two, then you're like, oh wow, wow, I got a head rush. Then all of a sudden it's like, um, I don't like this.
SPEAKER_04:Oh. I found a fun fact out today from our friend uh B Lo. That's a good name to use. Um B-Low. He said that the like a large coffee at uh Tim Hortons is 160 milligrams of caffeine. A large coffee at Starbucks is 400 milligrams of caffeine. How? Because the quality of the beans was better. No, no, we Googled it and everything. Well, if he Googled it. Well, I'll grok it too, or whatever if you want. Grok it and see if it can be. Because I thought like a coffee coffee had like 50 grams of caffeine in it.
SPEAKER_05:Well, it might have 50 milligrams. 50 grams seems a bit intense. Yeah. Remember when you had to go to the hospital because you thought your heart was gonna explode? When I gave myself an anxiety attack, yeah. This is the that experience. Have I told that story on this podcast? I don't remember. Okay, I'm gonna tell it anyways. So, what is like 10 years ago? I was at uh after a long shift at the nursing home, I went to the college as I was prepping for a powerlifting tournament, and I took a gram of caffeine.
SPEAKER_04:A one gram?
SPEAKER_05:I took one gram of caffeine.
SPEAKER_04:Or I should have been saying milligrams the whole time. I apologize. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:It was a lot of caffeine. Uh, and then I legitimately felt like I was having a heart attack. I had to call my brother and he had to pick me up at the college and drive me to the hospital where I for where I promptly was given a lecture from the doctor and an Atavan. Ooh. It was the only time I've taken a benzo. Really liked it. Yeah, eh? Yeah. I could see how people could get addicted to batteries. How do we get those? You don't want those. There's few things in life I think you want to stay far, far away from as you do.
SPEAKER_02:You don't want any of this Dewey? Have you seen the Dewey Cox story? No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_05:It's a movie. Never mind. Continue. He ruined it.
SPEAKER_02:The moment's gone. No, I didn't. It was it's a good story.
SPEAKER_04:What's a movie reference? It's gonna hit on this side of the table. On your side of the table, no one's gonna understand. I didn't even look at you. Uh that yeah, 400 milligrams caffeine in a Starbucks versus two coffee.
SPEAKER_02:So you had a thousand milligrams. So you would have two half Starbucks coffees. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Large Starbucks coffees. In one. You would have had five, you would have had five Tim Hortons coffees. Yeah. Five large Tim Hortons coffees.
SPEAKER_05:After, yeah, yeah. I'm sure there's more to it. And there was some other pre-workout mixed in there.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say, I thought there was a bunch of pre-workout too.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, because I made my own pre-workout of the time.
SPEAKER_04:I still do actually, but you still use pre-workout?
SPEAKER_05:No, I make my own blend of substances.
SPEAKER_04:I I still use pre-workout. No, but not like the crazy college pre-workout, you know, like well, it's because you can't buy fucking super pump or anything anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, remember super I think super pump's the one that when it first came out, there was bits of steroids in it. Yeah. They had the first batches have steroids had actual steroids and people were just getting jacked.
SPEAKER_05:Why do you think when I got to college I went from 160 pounds to 250 pounds? Food. Food and super pump. You just dry scooping that shit in third period. Snorting it. Um no, you should you still take pre-workout.
SPEAKER_04:Uh so yeah. Because like when I say I'm it's not like it's just I think it's like 160, it's like a cup of coffee and just taste nice. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:It's just three cigarettes a day. It's fine. I'm I like hardly am a smoker. Is it bad for you? I think I think like have you looked at what's in there? It's got like the colour of the colour.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's got it's got a lot of a lot of a lot of big words in the in the ingredients. Yeah, there's a lot of eans. There's a lot of eans. There's a lot of eans in the back end of those ingredients. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:To be fair, when I make my pre-workout, it's just uh creatine, citrulline, beta alanine, and and leucine.
SPEAKER_04:Not a lot of eans. Yeah, the leucine's the one in the ingredients.
SPEAKER_05:That's just an amino acid. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I'll I'll I'll look at it tonight. I don't know. I just I I do instead of a cup of coffee before I like something in the morning before going to work out.
SPEAKER_05:If you could get pre-workout like circa 2008, though.
SPEAKER_04:I had some Russian stuff.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, think about pre-workouts today.
SPEAKER_04:Uh Matt will say at the at the station at the uh nursing home gave me some Russian stuff. Oh my god. Never doing that again.
SPEAKER_02:I couldn't tell you last time I took a pre-workout.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah? Yeah, never do coffee though.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I have I have coffee in the morning, but I I I never do pre-workout.
SPEAKER_04:I don't take pre-workout, like you know, the stuff the tingly stuff? It's not the tingly stuff.
SPEAKER_05:Like you makes you that's that's the beta-alanine that makes you tingle. You're like your face neutral, that doesn't scalp starts tingling.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, what's the point of that? I don't understand what the point of that is.
SPEAKER_05:That's just a by by a byproduct of how it works.
SPEAKER_04:Does it make you lift more?
SPEAKER_05:It has something with like the nitric oxide or something, whatever.
SPEAKER_02:I used to take nitric oxide, uh a nitric oxide supplement. And I'll explode? Yeah, that's what it was. And I'll explode. Yeah. That stuff was disgusting. I didn't mind it.
SPEAKER_04:My wife started taking creatine as well. It's good. She's listened to some similar podcasts to us now, and she's starting to take creatine. I'm like, this is cool.
SPEAKER_02:There's a lot of research saying it's really, really good for women's health.
SPEAKER_05:I would I don't know, like, actually don't know if my wife can right now, but I would highly recommend it for anyone. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, you should be able to if you're yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, there's there's no downside, as far as I know.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. I I would assume there's, yeah, I don't know any. Back when it first came out, there was always this, oh, it's gonna wreck your kidneys and all these kinds of conversations.
SPEAKER_05:Like I remember like, oh, you have to cycle it, you know, blah, blah, blah, taking your purple K, whatever.
SPEAKER_04:Purple purple K? Pre-create.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, crealkaline, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_05:No, just buy the creatine monohydrate on fucking Amazon. Yeah, or from Costco when it goes on sale. It's cheap. But it's good. How much has your wife taken?
SPEAKER_04:Uh five. Yeah, okay. I won't say five because I'm taking five grams, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, not milk, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So, Mike, if you're listening, uh he said, because he was asking me how much creatine I was taking. I was like, Yeah, it's I'm taking at least five to ten grams, like two one or two scoops. And he was taking the pill ones, and he's like, Well, I'm taking like I can't remember, it's like six pills, but it ended up being like less than three grams.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, the p Mike, the pills are they're taking your money. Yeah, they're garbage, buddy. They're a ripoff.
SPEAKER_02:Uh so I told him to get rid of those and get powder because it's uh because he was like, You're taking ten. I'm like, yeah, man, five is like minimum is like the the low dose.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and as long as you get the like the creatine monohydrate, yeah, is the only thing you should ever be taking in powder form. Yeah. Um, sometimes I take 15. Can we get some injectable? Why? Why?
SPEAKER_04:Well, I mean we're just injecting hardcore. We're injecting it through our throats.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, what's wrong with just swallowing it?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I want to inject it because I'm hard.
SPEAKER_05:How much do you want it to work more than it already does?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You could mix it with the B PC571 or whatever.
SPEAKER_02:I could do a mix of T uh TRT, BPC one five seven, and creatine. Create I don't like the way you say creatine. I don't care.
SPEAKER_04:Chase it with some super pump. Yeah, I don't care that you. Super pump.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I don't know. It makes me feel good. Sometimes I take creatine when I wake up and I'm like super brain foggy, and it seems to make a difference.
SPEAKER_02:I've been taking electrolytes sometimes in the morning now because I've been doing a lot of running, so I've tried to get some electrolytes before I go out for a run.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you know what I've stopped doing that I want to do, but it costs me 60 bucks a month is Element first thing in the morning, every morning. Yeah. But that shit is so fucking expensive.
SPEAKER_02:It is. There's other versions of it that I bought some from town here. But not as much sodium, not even close.
SPEAKER_05:Because element, you get a gram of sodium.
SPEAKER_02:So the ones we got, I got from uh Costco is the prime ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're actually they're actually pretty decent. I don't I have not compared the like stats between that and element, but they're actually they taste good and it's uh I think there's a decent amount of stuff in them.
SPEAKER_05:Gary Breca recommends a certain type of salt in the morning. Uh Yukon Gold, I think it is. Himalayan?
SPEAKER_04:It's Himalayan, probably.
SPEAKER_05:No.
SPEAKER_04:It was on he he gave that salt sole thing that my wife did to get river headaches, and it just they're gone.
SPEAKER_05:Tell me more.
SPEAKER_04:Like, so she she always got like headaches in the morning, just like for years. And then so we took a bunch of uh Himalayan sea salt and made a small, I forget the concentration, but you just made a small amount of like super concentrated salt solee, and then you mix that with four liters of water, and she had a cup every morning, and headaches just went away.
SPEAKER_02:So he does this, so I know the he Gary Brecca is like uh kind of a cult leader and it's a little bit creepy, but yeah, he did this, and and some of the things he says, I'm like, I don't know about this. However, some of the things he says makes a lot of sense. The one thing he did a speech about is headaches, and he said that there are no actual pain receptors in the brain, as far as like so it's not like a pain response, it's something else. It's and so basically what he said is the I I don't I I don't want to misquote, but basically saying headaches are caused from a gradient of water of salt, a salt issue. If you don't have enough salt and there's an issue with the gradient of the osmosis because of the because of no not enough salt, then your brain gets this pressure essentially. But it's not he's like it's not pain. We we interpret it as pain, but it isn't because of I don't know. Anyway, he talks about this thing, and he basically says if you have getting headaches or you have headaches, uh, you need to have basically um salt water or something to help with the gradient in your body. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's interesting.
SPEAKER_04:It's super easy. Well, it doesn't even taste that bad because you dilute it enough, you could put the glass of water down so it's I'm ordering some element right now.
SPEAKER_05:Uh that would be especially when you eat clean, right? And your salt intake goes down drastically. I notice like I noticed brain fog is usually what I notice when you're gonna do it.
SPEAKER_02:Is that um a symptom of not having the sugar initially while your body responds to having that lack of sugar? Because I I remember when I've cut out sugar a lot, uh I definitely get headaches in the first couple of days. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Especially after Christmas where I was eating like 9,000 grams of sugar a day.
SPEAKER_04:Uh what if you don't have a cup of coffee?
SPEAKER_05:I get a headache. Uh yeah, I get it. Oh, dude, I'm so bad.
SPEAKER_02:Probably. Yeah. I think anything we get we anything that like not having it, we have a symptom, our body has a symptom to it is a probably a sign.
SPEAKER_04:That first day in Mexico when we got there, I didn't have a coffee in the morning, and it was like it was like 11, it was like noon, and I started to feel a little bit of a headache. I'm like, this isn't right, Kara. Like talking to her. I'm like, I gotta get a coffee. Yeah. I'm a drug addict, essentially.
SPEAKER_03:But have you ever given up caffeine?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I did. I did a month a couple years ago. Well if I ever have to the best part was though, is because that first cup of coffee after I was with the Tyler guy who's gonna come on here eventually. That you guys say he won't come on here. Okay, I'll come on here. And I had this cup of coffee, first cup of coffee in a month. And I'm like, we have to go because I want to just talk. So we would just go to the back parking lot, and I sat there and I told him stories and stories because I was so hyped up on caffeine. I've never felt that much of a high from a caffeine.
SPEAKER_02:I also don't think Tyler's gonna come on here because I don't think he listens to this podcast. He doesn't.
SPEAKER_05:Because he would then why would he come on here?
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Because I don't think he listens to this because I think he struggles listening to me at work and just even talk to in general.
SPEAKER_05:So if you don't want to listen to us, you you don't have to listen to us. You can turn this podcast off.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I I'm gonna start playing it at work in the office and see what he's gonna kill you.
SPEAKER_05:He probably will. We could do like a caffeine-free March. Oh, I don't know if I can do it. It's you I you would be, I think, surprised.
SPEAKER_04:How about no?
SPEAKER_05:All right, yeah, no, how about April?
SPEAKER_04:How about we wait until a month like April? Yeah. Well, why is March bad?
SPEAKER_02:I have stuff going on.
SPEAKER_05:It's a busy month for Jason.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he's got stuff. You want you wanna have to do that? Don't you want stuff? You want to do it? I always have stuff. Yeah. Uh no, I and I also don't really want to do it.
SPEAKER_04:I really don't want to do it, but I'm telling you, I want to do it for that for that first cup of coffee after the 30 days. I would do it for that.
SPEAKER_05:After the first few days, you feel good. It's nice. Um, there's caffeine in your cola. Damn it. For sure there is.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, you want to do April? Can you get you get zero? There's zero sugar. You can you get zero. Yeah, you can get zero caffeine.
SPEAKER_05:I would do April. I don't want to be a good thing. I don't want to do it, but what are you gonna lose?
SPEAKER_04:Because it it is kind of dumb. Because what why? Like caffeine is not bad for you.
SPEAKER_05:The Christians do Lent. But but caffeine's not bad for you, though.
SPEAKER_02:We're just lenting our caffeine. Just to give something up to say you can. Because Jesus sacrificed himself for you. Thank you. That's all we're doing. We're just doing lent. So if you can't sacrifice one thing like caffeine, you're a terrible human.
SPEAKER_05:We're gonna call it average superior lent.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, damn it. I I kind of want to say I'd rather give up sugar. Can I think about it? No, you just way harder.
SPEAKER_04:I would rather give up sugar than caffeine. That's way harder than caffeine. That's way easier. Sugar? I think it is.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, giving up sugar is way harder.
SPEAKER_04:Let's go carnival for a month.
SPEAKER_05:No, no. We're doing it. April. Uh with no sugar or no caffeine. Caffeine. I sugar doesn't matter. You'll be fine. It's a month. It's it's gonna be good for you. Tony's gonna do it too.
SPEAKER_04:I've been French pressing again, though. It's so good. How good on the weekends?
SPEAKER_05:We were gonna do um we're gonna do a three-day fast here, and we haven't done it. I was gonna start with a one-day fast. I haven't even done that. Okay. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow.
SPEAKER_04:Let's let's do a one-day fast on the weekend. Just to just to knock knock that one off quick. Just to get out of the way.
SPEAKER_05:Middle of the week's better. Well, Saturday I have family coming over, so we're doing Chinese food.
SPEAKER_04:Let's go Sunday night to Monday night.
SPEAKER_05:Ooh, Sunday night to Monday night.
SPEAKER_04:Do you want to do Sunday night to Monday night?
SPEAKER_05:Well, if we're gonna do it, we're gonna do like two days at least. No, we're gonna start with one because I've never done easy.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, let's do a day and a half. Sunday night till Tuesday morning.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:I'm good with that. You good with that?
SPEAKER_02:Just trying to think of what must happen on Monday.
SPEAKER_04:I I got nothing kind of thing, so that's why I'm like Is it hard? No.
SPEAKER_02:Uh it's psychologically difficult initially because you just like you want to like put something in your mouth, right? Just like I need to oh yeah, I can't do that. Um one day's not and then it's I I found when I did the three day, the first day was a bit hard. The day two was actually super easy. And again, if you're busy, like if you're going, if it's like that's why I think during the week's easier, because you're busy at work, you're not really thinking about doing anything, you can just be working. Going home and like not eating at night is tough. Uh day three was hard.
SPEAKER_04:So are we allowing like bone broth and electrolytes?
SPEAKER_02:So be electrolytes, yes, because you need to have yeah, you don't need yeah, you definitely need to drink water and have some electrolytes. Uh bone broth can be if we're only doing one day, then no, you can't have anything. You can have water. Okay. Black coffee? Yeah, technically.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because it's not April. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But also just black coffee. So so we're we're doing that, we're doing that this weekend? Like sun, we're starting starting Sunday night after supper. I'd be good with that. Yeah. Tuesday morning. So I have sticks supper. So we have a day and a half. How about let's see who can go the longest?
SPEAKER_04:Bring it.
SPEAKER_02:Sure. I'll be out Monday morning. You're gonna no, if you're doing it, you're doing it. Tuesday morning. Yeah, Tuesday. Tuesday morning. Okay, I'm gonna go last Sunday night to Monday morning. I got this. I'm good with that. Intermittent fast. Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_04:If I can make it to Tuesday night, I'll be happy. But yeah, let's let's do that. Be good.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, I can do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to make it. If I'm gonna if I'm going to Tuesday morning, I'm gonna try to probably get to it.
SPEAKER_05:Can you try and get this episode up tomorrow so we can I 100% can do it tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. 100%.
SPEAKER_05:100%. If you had$100 for every time you said 100%, you you you were that you'd have a lot of money.
SPEAKER_02:100% it would. Yeah, I say that. 100%. And you sometimes you're wrong. Quite often. How many times am I 100% so wrong? Uh what were you 100% right about the other day? Uh the the Pepsi Coke challenge.
SPEAKER_05:No, it was something like we were doing something else, and you were like 100,000 percent. Maybe it was the Pepsi. I think it was.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we did that. Oh, by the way, you missed that one. We did a Pepsi Coke taste test.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, with with with Tanner? Yes. Oh, that's nice.
SPEAKER_02:Did he plan that out? Uh no, we nobody planned it. It just happened, and he happened and was shocked by the case. He actually had, I know, I know that's exactly what I said. But he actually had Pepsi and Coke here, which I was blown away with.
SPEAKER_04:And how it was so easy though. Uh yes.
SPEAKER_02:It wasn't that easy.
SPEAKER_04:Is it is it bad that I would rather have coke out of a bottle and Pepsi out of a can?
SPEAKER_02:I don't think that but I don't know why that's I feel like it tastes different.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like I feel like coke out of a bottle is better than Coke out of a can.
SPEAKER_02:Coke in general is better than Pepsi.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, well, yeah, it's specific though, to like if I had some there's some days I want a Pepsi as opposed to a Coke. No, I would never, I would always But if I'm gonna have a Pepsi, I want it out of a can.
SPEAKER_05:That's weird. I I well I think I would choose a bottle load for anything. It's been a hot minute since I've had a bottle, like a Coke bottle.
SPEAKER_04:No, plastic, not glass. The Coke glass bottle is is unmatched.
SPEAKER_05:Like it's it's amazing. I mean I should have eaten a fuckload of co-cola bottle candies.
SPEAKER_04:Have you uh have you had a Coke out of a glass bottle?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I thought I had one sitting on the shelf. Somebody don't have glass bottles. Yeah, Jeff did.
SPEAKER_04:It is the best.
SPEAKER_05:Did he not? Yeah, he did. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Were you actually here for that one? Or were you in the first one? I was. Thanks, Jeff.
SPEAKER_04:Was I in what? Mexico. I traveled once this year.
SPEAKER_05:You're you are the world's busiest human being. And always sick too.
SPEAKER_04:No, this is my first call. This is the first the first thing I got in a while. It sucked.
SPEAKER_05:Like what's a while? Like seven years ago.
SPEAKER_04:Like I would say probably a good year. Whoa.
SPEAKER_05:I don't get that sick.
SPEAKER_04:I call I do call into work for like mental health days and there are sick days, but I don't get like actually sick that often. You could ask my three previous bosses know that I rarely take legitimate sick days.
SPEAKER_01:Legitimate and they're gonna say, Yes, cut all of that out. No, I'm leaving it. No, leave it in. Do they all know?
SPEAKER_05:You are technically sick.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, this time I was. Yeah, 100%. I'm on antibiotics, all that stuff.
SPEAKER_05:In the head. Mental health is also still part of your yeah, technically sick, yeah. In the head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. This is a conversation for not unrecording.
SPEAKER_02:I don't care. Uh yeah. Okay, uh, on the way over here, I was listening to a song that got me uh thinking. I want you to know if you if either of you can tell me what the song is.
SPEAKER_04:Before you play that, why why does your phone make that noise?
SPEAKER_01:Everyone's phone does that. We've been on our phone all night.
SPEAKER_04:The second you leave, you bring your phone.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's your watch, actually. Um, that makes sense. I think that Jason will know this quickly, and uh Curtis might not know this at all. No, I want you to. I want you to tell me as soon as you know what the song is.
SPEAKER_04:I'll give him a fighting chance of this. Here I'm turning the song out.
SPEAKER_02:Is this R. Kelly? No. Do you know what this is? I I know the song. No, it's not sysco.
SPEAKER_01:How would I know that?
SPEAKER_02:Because this is like a You're about the right age.
SPEAKER_04:Wait for it.
SPEAKER_01:Is this a deal?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Nelly? Oh my god. Usher. Usher. Ursher!
unknown:Fuck.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I did not know that song. I was in the area. Ooh. What? Sorry, that just reminded me. Backstreet boys are performing at Oh, whatever. That would be a fun concert. They're performing the Las Vegas Sphere.
SPEAKER_02:In 2002, or 1999, it might have been a fun concert. It'd be amazing right now. No, it wouldn't. They're all 60 years old. I would rather go see.
SPEAKER_04:I'd go to that in a second. 90s pop music is the best type of music there ever was.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, we relax.
SPEAKER_04:No, it is. It just name a better genre.
SPEAKER_05:I would rather go see like Motley Crew. Yeah, that'd be good. That'd be okay, actually. No, because I'm not. Like now? No, yeah. I'm trying to think of somebody who's like 100 years old still making music. I would rather go see them than the best.
SPEAKER_02:I can't I can't think of Motley Crew without thinking of Hot Top Time Machine and Motley Lou. Have you seen Hot Top Time Machine? I think I have, yeah. So he he goes back and he he joins.
SPEAKER_05:Why would I remember any of this?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. You remember the limitless. He goes back and he joins Motley Crue when it first starts, but they'd call it Motley Lou. And then like, yeah, it's hilarious.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like we're gonna talk about 90s pop, but we can do this this time because I will go on.
SPEAKER_02:You have an affinity for that. Sure, I'm not saying there's not some good tunes, but you can't say it's the best music ever made. It's garbage.
SPEAKER_04:I just did. I said that in my my voice in my brain, as well as my voice with my mouth.
SPEAKER_02:It's definitely not the best music. It's mouth voice. How are we defining best? Is it because it's nostalgic? Is that the only that's that's the only argument you could make it?
SPEAKER_04:The best of thing is I never listened to like, oh man, I never listened to a lot of it when I was in the 90s, like in the 90s, but now I listen to 90s pop and I cannot get enough of it. I cannot.
SPEAKER_05:That's weird. Is it because it it makes you feel the way it made you feel when you were younger? That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:But I never listened to it back then. I hated Backstreet Boys when I was younger. Yeah, but you still would have heard it. Like you still would have ended up. Exactly, I guess. Maybe it's a nostalgic feeling to it, but I I crank it.
SPEAKER_02:That's the only, I think, argument you could make for why why you think it's the best.
SPEAKER_04:I searched out I Want It That Way the other day in my headphones when I was at the gym so I could listen to it.
SPEAKER_05:That is weird. Like, let me illustrate it this way. You know how I don't know if you've seen Britney Spears on Instagram lately, where like something is wrong.
SPEAKER_01:What do you mean? Something is just definitely horribly wrong.
SPEAKER_05:But you see that music video where she's wearing that skin tight red shirt and you're like, oh, I remember those tingles.
SPEAKER_04:So you said pedonkadong before.
SPEAKER_02:And now we say, but I feel like tingles is worse. That's definitely worse.
SPEAKER_04:Your daughter would be like, definitely, shut up, dad. She was her and uh Christina Aguilera.
SPEAKER_05:Uh, whatever happened to her.
SPEAKER_04:There's oh, there's still Christine Aguilera actually uh has a new album. Yeah, nobody's gonna listen to that. No, it's no, it's it's good. No, she's still got a good voice. She has a good voice.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you can't deny she has an amazing voice. Doesn't isn't her music's good. Did you listen to it?
SPEAKER_04:Uh a couple songs. They're not they're not that good. But it's like her voice is good.
SPEAKER_02:It's like Celine Dion has a really good voice, but I don't like her music. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it's the same way. Although the Celine Dion documentary was really sad. I don't want to watch it because it's sad. I don't want to watch.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, because she like a super rare disease, isn't she? Super sad. Why is it sad?
SPEAKER_02:Um, because I think it's sad specifically because you see somebody who's probably one of the best at something in the like like objectively, one of the best singers. Like in potentially, and the thing like she gets a disease that affects her ability to do the thing that she is one of the best of. I think it's just like it's tragic. It's tragic in the sense of like she's so good at it. It's like her sh not only is she so good at it, because it people can be talented at something, but it not be their passion. You know what I mean? Like you could be super good at something, but because it's not like something that you really are passionate about, you probably wouldn't it wouldn't happen for you. But not only is she like insanely good at something, but she's like obviously insanely passionate about it.
SPEAKER_05:And it's tragic because she can't do it anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Because yeah, because it's like it's her body's ravaged by this disease, and like she's like it's called stiff something. Yeah. Uh and she like and it affects her vocal cords, and she'll have times when she can actually sing again, but like it'll all of a sudden she'll get like uh this episode and she can't almost barely move or sing. Uh anyway.
SPEAKER_04:You'd be even sadder if you like liked her music because now like she will not create new like that's it. Celine Dion's catalog is done. It's you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know, I just it's just called stiff person. Exactly. It's just interesting to see somebody who's got that much uh talent and passion for it. And um you know, I was thinking about this on my way over the music.
SPEAKER_04:Um Michael J. Fox, same exactly completely.
SPEAKER_02:And you but you see, I was thinking about music on the way over here, and I don't know what it is. Well, you're listening to uh no, I was going, I literally had my songs on uh I was thinking about this guy. I have my song on Shuffle, and I have like I don't know, 7,000 songs in like in my in my albums, right? So it's shuffles, and it is so random. Like it'll go from that to like uh Bing Crosby, or then to like just because it's all on random, or then to breaking Benjamin, or like Alexis is that Alexis on fire or Alex is on fire. That's what I thought too, but when I was driving over here, I was looking at it, I was like, that could be either. Anyway, man, we had some good bands. Sure, but my point is I was thinking about music.
SPEAKER_05:Alex is on fire. It was a good band.
SPEAKER_02:They're good. Um my point is that you what there's something weird about music and its like ability to uh bring out emotion and and and nostalgia and and like memories, right? Like you'll hear a song that you remember listening to while you were playing volleyball in high school or something, or warming up to hockey.
SPEAKER_04:It's like it it's funny because as we were talking about, or was uh Renegades of Funk was our warm-up song.
SPEAKER_02:Blur song 2 for a lot of song 2 uh Twisted Sister. Oh, really?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, not bad. Uh yeah, it's when we were in Mexico, we went to this like little tiny restaurant, just off the resort or whatever, and there was a violin player and a singer there, and I went and I dropped them some pesos. I'm like, hey, play this Elvis Presley song as our wedding song. And I had the kids, I had like the oldest, I'm like, take this phone, when this song comes on, you tape, just tape me. And so what I did is that they started playing. I grabbed my wife, and we went up and danced in the restaurant, and then the whole like all these old people got up because it's like an old song, and they all started dancing, and all three of my kids stood there and was like taping, and they're all smiling, and I was like, Yes, core memory. And then you put it on YouTube. Then I got super smashed that night and turned into drunk dad. But yeah, no, I didn't put it on YouTube.
SPEAKER_02:Core memory. Uh ball with the ball, the bang, the bang, kicky diggy.
SPEAKER_04:So kid rock was hard back in the day, right?
SPEAKER_02:That was that was like our song. I remember playing playing soccer. Orbiting up in soccer. Like it's like it's just weird how like music can like remember make you remember things um and bring out emotions, right? It's the best music. But like, this is where I find it interesting when people like like, oh, I hate that type of music. And I there's not I don't know if there's a genre that I can say I hate the genre when there's like there's good tunes on basically any genre.
SPEAKER_04:I dislike country, but I'll listen to some country songs.
SPEAKER_02:Just dude, you can't dislike like I if you like music, I don't see how you can dislike country.
SPEAKER_04:I just when it comes to like I would say nine like nineties, like the country I had when I was growing up, I would like.
SPEAKER_02:But when it comes no, but even some of the new stuff, when it comes to like voice and like again the ability to have some emotional attachment to a song, especially you who's sappy, yeah. Like that that's what to me I don't understand.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but I never I never had expo it was weird. We never listened to country, so I never had that exposure. Right, but we listen to like the Alan Jackson and stuff when we're going to.
SPEAKER_02:Sure, but I'm saying there's that type of country now that what's the yeah. Like Chris Stapleton. Like Chris Stapleton is like is the key example that I've listened to some of those that are really good. He's just ridiculously good.
SPEAKER_04:Like his but it is genre wise, it'd be my least it'd be my bottom genre.
SPEAKER_02:And I think right now for me it's top.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. I don't know why. Besides like screen metal, I can't there's times that that stuff's good though.
SPEAKER_02:Like you want to get jacked up and like go do a deadlift, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Take some super.
SPEAKER_02:Pump and put on some slipknot and or sh like Chevelle, like old school Chevelle, or like how many songs have you forgotten about that?
SPEAKER_05:If you heard right now, you'd be like, oh what is the best. As we were talking about this, I was thinking like through a bunch of songs, it just kind of was like, Fuck man, like City and Color.
SPEAKER_02:Last time I save your scissors. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05:Oh right.
SPEAKER_02:So that's why I like sometimes throwing my thing my songs on just shuffle. But you save all your songs? So yeah, like if I if I like a if so on Apple, on Apple, if you like uh add an album to your profile, like like add it, then it like ends up in your song kind of it's like obviously not on your phone, but it ends up in like your song uh list, essentially.
SPEAKER_05:My my iPhone just thinks I'm living in a biza the entire time.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, I just find it interesting because like I you you I don't know, it's just like certain what's your most play on Spotify?
SPEAKER_04:Like, can you do that?
SPEAKER_05:I never use like you know the urine wrapped?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, my urine wrapped is just is pretty ridiculous. I did not. My my top play is shoop. Shoop salt and pepper. Ugh. What?
SPEAKER_05:Ugh. Okay, well, let's talk about this for a second.
SPEAKER_04:How is that's a good song.
SPEAKER_05:That's my top.
SPEAKER_04:You know what you know what's you know what you know what's my top plate? Because at the at the nursing home, I shower to that song every day in the change room.
SPEAKER_05:Ah, I'm so glad you brought this up.
SPEAKER_04:And I walk and and I even have it timed out to when the the male who's on that song appears and he raps. I walk out of the shower at that time because that's how long my shower takes. And I've been doing that consistently for whatever. You're kind of strange.
SPEAKER_05:You're so fucking weird. Yeah, it's a good song, it's a good fucking song. It's just instead of hearing the same pattern of noise every day. No. Yeah, I definitely could never listen to the song. What do you mean, it's the same song?
SPEAKER_04:I could listen to the same song every single day. I I do. I do.
SPEAKER_05:Why see your brain likes that? Yeah. It's like when people come to the gym and they turn on ACDC Thunderstruck for the thousandth fucking time. And I'm like, I I how can you listen to this every day? It's terrible.
SPEAKER_02:Like the reason it's the reason it can be good is like you I haven't heard that in a year. Oh yeah, well, that's a that's a good chance.
SPEAKER_05:I remember a point in my life where I I like whether I I guess I just first registered hearing like Thunderstruck. Like I remember where I was, kind of what I was doing. I was like, oh, like a fucking uh yeah, Thunderstruck. Now, if I hear that song, I will literally walk out of the room. I understand. Okay. Yeah. I so I don't know, like, there's people like you that can just like on repeat, on repeat.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I can listen to anything. I went through a jazz phase back in the day. Oh yeah. I listened to a lot of jazz.
SPEAKER_04:That's fair.
SPEAKER_02:Uh Diana Crawl.
SPEAKER_04:Good mood. Like if you're in a good mood for it, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_05:Well, you can listen to anything if the if the circumstances are right or it pulls on like the emotional levers it needs to pull on.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, music is amazing. Like even if we just had a nice, we had a family meal that I put in some Tesky brothers the other day, and we just had a we did a homemade uh pasta, bread, all that kind of stuff. It was awesome, so much work, but we did that, put on some Tesky brothers, and it just set the mood.
SPEAKER_05:You your your house would be fun to live in.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's it's a circus.
SPEAKER_05:I know, but I think you put so much effort into those things, it would be I I think you may underestimate how much value your kids are gonna get out of that.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I hope so. You know, it doesn't remember drunk dad at the resort, they remember good things about us, right?
SPEAKER_02:That was usually okay. Once a while I got drunk or pushed us.
SPEAKER_04:It's okay. It was all inclusive. We're all right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, we gotta wrap this up. I gotta go. We gotta work in the morning. Oh, it's Thursday.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's not a it's not a random Wednesday 30 years from now where we can just get up and it's not a random Wednesday in July.
SPEAKER_05:I I do want to record like a three-hour podcast at some point, and I probably was on track for that right now.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, let's let's do that soon, and let's do that when uh our wives can come pick us up, and it'll be all good.
SPEAKER_05:I agree. Yeah, that's fairly fair.
SPEAKER_04:All in. And maybe get Tony to come.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he hasn't been on the bit for a bit. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:For what I said last time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. We've talked. We've talked. So we've sorted that out. Hey, thanks for listening. If you're listening and you're brand new, and uh hit us up on our X profile at average superior or uh Instagram at average superior. Average dot superior. I think. It's not, it's there's no dot.
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SPEAKER_02:Noted. Our email is average.superior at gmail.com. Once again, thanks for listening. This has been episode number sixty five. I don't know if that's right. Thank you for listening.
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