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The Average Superior Podcast
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The Average Superior Podcast
#67 - Tim Solves Democracy
Welcome! When is the last time you passed out in a porta-potty? For one of us it was recently... have you almost crapped your pants in recent memory? One of us has.... Listen to hear what happened.
Sorry it has been a while. Today we talk to our friend Tim, or rather, Tim talks to us! We discuss the education system, hydrogen water and a lot of other things. We get a little loud at the end as we bust Tim's balls for being too smart!
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SPEAKER_00:Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What you do right now makes a difference.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah? You're gonna regret saying that. I already actually have a bag of clothes with me in the car, so just staying. Do you travel with a bag of clothes these days? Always. Always. You can never have too many bags of clothes, is what I've said just this time.
SPEAKER_08:You're saying you have a lot of baggage. Yeah. Hey, that's a good way to put it. I do. Yeah. Welcome to the podcast. So you have a lot of baggage.
SPEAKER_04:I have a lot of baggage. Let's unpack that.
SPEAKER_08:Let's start with that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:How do you guys feel about these new chairs? They feel I like them. You do? I like them. I feel more upright. What number is this? Do we know?
SPEAKER_05:Oh. 60. 56. No. 67. I don't know. 67? I haven't posted our last like three Instagram. Yeah, you suck at episodes on Instagram. I do suck so bad.
SPEAKER_07:59. No, it's not. It is not 59. Well, I'll tell you what, episode 58 was January 2019. It's definitely 60 something. Absolutely in 60. I stopped taking. How many six months? I think you're 67.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, let me check Spotify. God, we suck at podcasting.
SPEAKER_04:I think final answer is 67.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, let me jump.
SPEAKER_04:Well, we're kind of just starting, but we're not ready to go yet.
SPEAKER_08:Welcome to episode number 67 of the Abbot Superior Podcast.
SPEAKER_04:How is it that the guest got that?
SPEAKER_08:I don't know.
SPEAKER_07:You've probably listened to more than we have.
SPEAKER_08:You can't prove that, but uh welcome to Tim. Hi. Welcome to Tim. Tim. Welcome, Tim. You are welcome. That was weird. In this house. That's not mine. CJ. Great job on the wall. Thank you. It painted. You painted that. It was uh had holes in it for quite a while. Took me two years.
SPEAKER_04:The good thing, it looks great then. Yeah. Good cutting in.
SPEAKER_08:Don't shine a light on it. That's rude.
SPEAKER_07:It's actually really good. You're trying to look for mistakes. Like it's actually really good for mistakes. I can see the mistakes. I see one from here, but I'm not going to point it out.
SPEAKER_08:But black, black is hard is hard.
SPEAKER_07:Thank you for clarifying that.
SPEAKER_04:No, I just didn't hear you, is the levels issue.
SPEAKER_08:That's me too. So why has it taken so long? 1% better every day. Because you two are the worst people to schedule anything with.
SPEAKER_07:Well, we are, but the like, no, we're I think individually we're not too bad, but I feel like together we like it it multiplies our We bring out the worst in each other.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. It's like a factorial. I don't actually know what that word means. I don't know.
SPEAKER_08:If you're listening to this, Tim's gonna say some words during this podcast. Likely you won't understand. Please have your dictionary ready because he likes to use big words.
SPEAKER_04:There's also a sixty confidence.
SPEAKER_07:It's a non-negative integer.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Product of all positive integers. Less or equal to n. That was really good.
SPEAKER_05:So aka is just a positive number.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, it was way off. You can just type one word into grok and it just defines it. It's gonna be bad then.
SPEAKER_04:If I use words that I don't understand, grok's gonna come out. It's gonna feel it out. Grok coming off the top rope and just grok uh lives on the top rope, I believe. Can we also ask uh by we, I mean, can I ask Grok? Where does that name come from? Because you said that like that's that's X's uh AI, but what is Grok?
SPEAKER_08:I believe it is something to do, don't tell me. I believe it has something to do with uh that book that Elon Musk likes, where the AI answers the question for what's the um answer to the book. Oh, Hitchhiker's got to I could not think of it. That's why I was going around and about 47. Is that not it?
SPEAKER_07:No, but it's stranger in a strange land. Oh, okay. Oh but yeah, Elon Musk, yeah.
SPEAKER_08:But you got the first half right.
SPEAKER_07:But that that is a martial.
SPEAKER_04:You got the book part right and Elon Musk. Outstanding. Yeah. I think well, that's like a 70%. You know what they say.
SPEAKER_08:It did. It I can I can definitely can confirm that. Hanging on my wall. Actually, not.
SPEAKER_04:I think it's just sitting on a I don't know where it is, but I don't know where my degree is. Man, never before have I been more disappointed in a piece of paper than when you what's your degree in? I have a bachelor's degree in history. History? Yeah, why does that not surprise me?
SPEAKER_08:It's why are you not a teacher?
SPEAKER_04:I never wanted to be a teacher. What did you want to do with a history history degree? Um what I do now. No, yeah, I yeah, work at the old folks home.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, but you got into the a plan with your history degree. No, no, it wasn't it wasn't just to learn.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that was that was it. Yeah. Um you nailed it right there. So uh long story made only slightly shorter. I don't do short stories very well. Um, I I took uh someone's advice far too literally when they were giving advice on what to do for the funeral home. Yeah, not the funeral home, where where do I work? Yeah, old folks home. One of those. One of the home folks home. And uh and they were like, Yeah, just get just get anything. And I was like, absolutely. And so um after high school, I took a couple years off. Yeah, and I worked and I traveled. Um I did yeah, just under six months in Western Europe.
SPEAKER_08:Ooh.
SPEAKER_04:And uh yeah, I've always liked history, but uh that really kind of cemented it for me. I just wanted to know more.
SPEAKER_08:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:And so it's funny you say education, though I never wanted to be a teacher. I was thinking getting a like an education degree was never be a mistake because like what that says is like you can teach complex things to you know people who don't really want to learn. Like that, like what what a cool thing. Um, and then maybe like what a cool side gig being a substitute teacher.
SPEAKER_08:And then I took the prerequisite for yeah, is it at at in Leopherr?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, at 2500. Yeah, I took that too. I did really well. I got highly recommended, and I hated every minute of it. Yeah, yeah. I what grade were you in? Grade three. Yeah, I think I was in grade one. Man, I'm not cut out to be a teacher. I don't have that kind of I could maybe like muddle my way through like high school. Yeah. Um patience though. Oh like so much patience. Yeah, but like I it was a hard thing for me dealing with children that aren't your own. Yeah, you know, I obviously didn't have kids at the time. I shouldn't say obviously, I didn't have kids at the time. Yeah, but like you're the heavens. I'm probably gonna skip it. I yeah, it it like that was a weird thing for me, is like you can't um you're trying to like de facto parent these kids throughout the day and teach them difficult things, like and it's stuff that we all take for granted, right? So uh the one that stands out in my mind, I'm trying to teach this child, also being like the two mornings a week person, they just give you the students that are struggled. Right, so like this kid can't write his name, so you should try and teach him like how many days there are in a year. I don't know how to do that, and so I just remember sitting there being like, listen, there's some things you just have to remember. Like, you're not gonna count it. Yeah, exactly. There's 365 days in a year, remember that. And then we play this like quick back and forth. I would say, how many? Is it 365? Yeah, back and forth. And then I'd ask him one other question, come back to it less than a minute later. How many days are there in a year? 25 is what he'd come up with, and I'm like, I can't do this. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08:So I was I had a I had a very similar experience. Uh it was grade one though, and it was they took like they separate, they gave me the kids that literally actually could it might have been grade three, yeah. Now I'm thinking about it, because there was like an obvious distinction between kids that could read really well and kids who literally could not read a word. Yeah. And I and I that opened my eyes to like how like teachers are amazing. Like, how I don't know how they teach the half of the class that actually can retain information and do well and they're on track, and the other half who is coming from a different family life or whatever the thing is, where they're show this one kid that I was trying to teach, she was showing up to school an hour or before the thing even opened because that was the only way they could get to school. Because a parent was coming in, the parent would drop them off at the door, knowing they're sitting there for an hour. Can you imagine this? Dropping your kid off an hour before school. Like now that you now that you know how much you love your kid, she's gonna sit there outside for an hour before someone comes and opens the door.
SPEAKER_04:Regardless by herself, time of year, anything.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, yeah, and that they would do that all the time. So the janitor started letting them in because they were sitting out there by themselves. And we're talking like uh like eight year old, seven, six-year-olds, something like that. Ridiculous. How could you do that to your kid? They they that was the only option for them to attend school was I have to go to work, you're getting dropped off. Yeah, see you after school.
SPEAKER_04:I talked to other people that they stop sending their kids to school because they just like can't fathom getting out the door and and getting their kid to the bus stop. So this seven, eight-year-old who wants nothing more than to go to school, right, doesn't go to school because I can't I can't sort myself out to get you there. So like even that, as awful as that is, it's better than the alternative. Um, yeah, honestly, like the um the other wild thing on that too is then you talk about teaching like one half of the class this, another half of the class the other thing. Um, with there's a lot of refugees uh that are coming to our part of the world that are speak almost no English and they're being put in school, still speaking no English, and they're a lot of these teachers are given basically no extra assistance. They'll say this student doesn't speak any English, but they have an iPad. Yeah, good on the you also need to teach this student how many days there are in the year. Yeah, but everything. But on top of that, like whatever else. So you've got a teacher who's making like curriculum grade stuff for maybe half the class, then below grade level for a bunch, and then you've got some that are there are not even on the like their their goals are vastly different, whether due to developmental delays or English being a third, fourth, fifth language, and this one teacher is responsible for all of it. Maybe they have an EA or two. Like it's stretched those things.
SPEAKER_08:This is where like it's wild. It's in so first of all, if you're a teacher listening, thank you for the job that you do. And it's not their fault that like there's it there's giant issues because then then you have the kids who need to be learned, they want like they're they they can learn, they're smart kids, they want to uh continue learning and they should be to a high level because that's their ability, but they're brought down to a level of like mediocrity because that's all the teachers the time that they can give them because they can't say, Oh crap, you like like you're done. You some of these kids finish the work in ten minutes because it's not hard for them. So here's a piece of paper, this should take you the rest of the hour. They're like done in 10 minutes, and sh guess what? The my kid is like this uh with his math stuff because he's just good at math, so he'll finish it. Guess what he does after that? He bugs everybody in the class. Yeah, and so now he's the bad kid because he's not sitting still, but he's like, I I finished, like, I don't what and they don't give him anything else to do, right?
SPEAKER_04:So isn't that Albert Einstein who like almost failed high school math? It was just too simple for him, and it was just like I ugh, it's not challenging. And so then you end up jerking around.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. Completely. And then it's like then your kid gets like a bad name for be being somebody who doesn't sit and listen, yet you're like, you're not challenging him. Like there's kids that you have to challenge more, and the ones that obviously are just challenged by showing up. So it's like how I don't know how teachers balance that. It's impossible.
SPEAKER_04:And the big limitation is, and like where it's just cemented that there's no way I'm not made of stern enough stuff to do it, is that on top of all of these other things that you just mentioned, your your legs are kind of cut out from under you. You have almost no ability to enforce this. You've got a kid who starts like throwing hands in class, and what you're allowed to do is like maybe give a stern look and class. Or remove the rest of the kids from the class, which is insane to me. You've got a class of 28 kids, and one starts throwing a chair. All right, 20, 27. Let's get up and leave and allow this student to just do their thing. And and again, like I'm speaking from zero place of understanding. I'm not a teacher, I was not trained as a teacher. I don't get the minutiae, but it does my head in.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Let me ask you this. Okay. When you guys were young, though, so like teachers are pretty handcuffed nowadays. Yeah. When I was a kid, teachers did some fucking stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:We had the ruler net. Yeah, yeah. I had my washed out with soap. Hell yeah. Nice.
SPEAKER_07:I can't think of much past like grade four or five, though, where that happened a bunch. Yeah, because I can remember getting slapped and stuff in like younger years by teachers. Yeah, yeah. But nothing past like grade four or five, six, maybe.
SPEAKER_04:But like we like we had a teacher in junior high who was like a bit unhinged and would like chuck like chalk pieces or like chalk brushes across the room and like bean it off kids' heads. But it's but it also came from a like a place I don't want to. A meter stick? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. We never got like full like the smoke with that, but like but would be like like I guess like 10 focused. Um but it wasn't like a like we're talking like my grandparents say you have to go up to the front and put your hands out and they hit you like that.
SPEAKER_07:But that was the best part though. Like you go tell your parents about that when you got home, and my dad would be like, good. Yeah, kind of like, oh, like if you said that now.
SPEAKER_04:But that's the thing, is like like it as much as I don't want to condone, like I don't think that like hitting small children in the head with chalk brushes is a good idea.
SPEAKER_06:But it is, but no, but it is but it is.
SPEAKER_04:Like to an extent it is, because it was grounded more in logic. Like I think, like um no, I also think I'm probably falling into like the thought trap that like every generation believes the generation that they grew up in had it right, and the one that precedes it was old school, and the one that follows it has no idea what they're if they're doing that they're too soft. Like so understanding.
SPEAKER_07:And we're that's the life where we can throw criticism now.
SPEAKER_04:But but it was it was a bit grounded in logic. Whereas it was like if I went home and I'm like, this happened to me, I got you know, I got the piece of chalk in the head from Mr. Nickerson. Um, or no, it was Mr. Nielsen. Mr. Nickerson.
SPEAKER_07:I was in Nick Nickerson was the Nickerson was a science teacher, Mr.
SPEAKER_04:Nielsen was the art teacher, and he like he whipped chalk. Um good aim too. Yeah, he he should have been a pitch. Well, this happened. And the first response would be like, What'd you do? What yeah, yeah, what'd you do? Why why'd that happen? Well, uh I was I was goofing around. It's like, okay then, don't be an idiot. Exactly. Move on, right? As opposed to, whoa, not my kid.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, 100%. Well, I think that's the problem with a lot of teachers, and I would I would not want to do it because of the parents. Like, I could like I couldn't I could deal maybe with the in the classroom stress, but the the stress of the emails, the phone calls, and the parents not taking responsibility because my sister's a teacher and I can't, there's no there's no way that I can handle the parent.
SPEAKER_04:There's a few jobs out there that everyone has the perspective that they know exactly how to do this and how to do it better than the people who do it because they at one point the nursing home is an example. Oh, absolutely. That that that's one. Um, but like a teacher is like, I was in a classroom once, I know how to be a teacher, I'm gonna teach you how to do it better. And it like, or this is you did that wrong. And it's like you have no idea what goes into it. The other, the other biggest bit of credit, we don't have to talk about this all night, but is that um that overtime doesn't exist. Drives me insane as like as like a theory. Because it's like if you have uh if you go into school and you had a teacher who was a volleyball coach or you were in performing arts, any of that stuff, they stay late on their time and they don't get paid for that. I don't know. Which is crazy.
SPEAKER_07:But they get the summer off. Sorry, I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_04:They don't get paid overtime, they don't get paid overtime. I think depending on the contract you're in, like Lethbridge 51, uh the numbers are off. So if there's a teacher in Lethbridge 51 who hears this and says, I got the numbers wrong. Uh sorry, but I think they like maximum of like between five and ten days for the year in lieu that you can build up to. Um yeah, and like that's it. Everything else, so if you but think about like an athletic director, um cousin in law of mine is an athletic director at a school just west of town, and um what he does for like every single sports team is that if they don't have a school teacher, a coach, school coach, a teacher coach, a coach, a teacher who coaches, that would be the term. I nailed that one first, right? Um then he has to be the teacher representative for the community coach or and or coach it, which means he's coaching constantly between Christmas and now I think he's had like one or two weekends off. Other than that, it's tournaments, tournaments, tournaments, and he doesn't get paid for. Because that's just part of the job. That's just the job guy. And that's where salary, I think, is like purely salaried stuff is is insane. I think it's horse hockey because it's like if everything you do is based purely on salary. Did you say you say horse hockey? I did. I was trying not to swear. I got horse. Horse hockey.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, okay, as opposed to Tony's kids probably listening, so it's better that he doesn't swear.
SPEAKER_04:Horse horse hockey, horse butt product.
SPEAKER_07:Oh but I've never heard of called hockey.
SPEAKER_04:I don't think that's I don't think that's a term. Can you look up horse hockey on Brock and see what it says? I'm embarrassed.
SPEAKER_07:It's probably gonna mean something else, but oh, it uh it's taken a long time to think about it. It's said that since 1940 and it's not processing. Who's that idiot across the room? Oh, it came back. How old are you? No, you shouldn't be asking me the question. That's a good question. No, it's still processing, it's gonna be a bit.
SPEAKER_04:Um but but yeah, like it. I I think if it's purely salary job, that you just get a shoulder shrug, you're like, well, that's that's the job. Whereas as opposed to getting paid for hours that you worked.
SPEAKER_05:It's a pretty important job too, raising somebody else's kids.
SPEAKER_04:A thousand percent. We put a lot of um society's like hopes and dreams on this. And we say you're the future, and then we cut the legs out from under you and hamstring you, um, and you know, then heap all of this other crap on you and and then don't pay you um overtime when you do that work, but expect you to do it.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know if like given my stage and like maybe you maybe yours. Could you homeschool your kids? Could could you successfully have homeschooled your kids to the point where they already have?
SPEAKER_08:Um I'd like to, but I I don't I don't know in the c in my current our current job, no. I mean, um I at their age, I don't know, Italya.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know.
SPEAKER_08:I've thought about it because I don't think they learned anything in school. They waste so much time. Actually, this was very clear during COVID because they like they would I can't remember how what grades my kids were in then, seven and I don't know, four or something. So they would like they're given like here's what you need to do for the day. And I I look at it and I'm like, this is an hour. This is an and I was like, I was like, is this what you do at school? Yeah, this is what we do. What what do you do with the rest of the time? Well we'd like play and do things, and but it's like okay, I want you to do 20 minutes of this, 10 minutes of that, 30 minutes of that, and if you if you want, you can do half an hour of that. And I'm like, what this is what you do?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but that's why maybe they're learning other things other than like creating.
SPEAKER_08:Sure, socialization and stuff is like is hugely important for sure. But like but I just think and and that's that is for sure the issue with homeschooling, is like a lot of times if you're homeschooled, I'm sorry, but a lot of times homeschool people come and they're just socially awkward. They come out of but the ones I've also seen who who aren't because their parents are very proactive about involving them in like team sports outside of school, and or even like sometimes uh those homeschoolers can come and play team sports as part of the school, so depending on the district. But I I the I think that in the world that we live in, it is definitely something that is I don't know, it depends on what which way things go, but I think it's something that may be more important to start doing, especially if the school system doesn't somehow get a hold of itself and start teaching valuable things.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. Do you know what I could I I think I could definitely see uh a greater I don't know how to say this more of these showing up is like private schools, um like charter schools that that come up with their own.
SPEAKER_08:Can you look up uh the amount of home how much homeschooling went up since 2020? Because I I heard a number and it like it apparently went up an insane amount. Yeah, I believe it.
SPEAKER_04:Like because the COVID kind of like spurred it on, but the other thing that I heard though is that COVID also taught a lot of people that they couldn't homeschool. Because there was a lot of because I I I had this conversation with some people that would be like, I could homeschool it, but and then they taught their kids for like I can't do this because I don't want to be the one answering the question.
SPEAKER_08:So but that but that is the that is the the difference. And we talked, so we brought up the like the private school stuff. That that's the difference. The way that the they teach schooling right now is not how you should, if you're going to do homeschooling, it wouldn't be that. The the whole Socratic method would be the idea that like you're not you're not there to answer your kids' questions.
SPEAKER_05:You're there to say To facilitate learning to facilitate questions.
SPEAKER_08:You're the one who's facilitating the questions and saying, Hey, go find out the answers. Figure this out.
SPEAKER_04:And that's where I could see uh a like a more like a greater prevalence, I guess would be the way to put it that in charter schools, where it's like, hey, this is how we're gonna well like what you have the idea with Montessori schools, which I honestly I don't underst I don't understand, so I can't really comment on those schools, but like that that's not a traditional learning method. It's kind of a new one, but there are some schools around. So if you had a school come out and be like, hey, um, we're gonna teach your children that um have a hard time sitting down, right? Right or whatever it is. Uh we're gonna teach your kids that um, you know, whatever. And and that this is our goal and this is our mandate. And yeah, maybe you have to pay a little bit uh you'd have to pay for it. I mean, that's a thing, right? But the other thing too, which is interesting, is I think if there's a greater increase in those, as opposed to you getting your uh your tax allocation, do you want your money to go to the separate school board or the public school board? What about like, well, I actually want it to go to charter funded schools. Like that would be an option.
SPEAKER_08:If you could like vote with that'd be interesting if you could do that, you could vote with your taxes. Like, here's your tax, here's your tax dollars that you have to send to the city or the county wherever you're living in. You can choose, like, here's your option, here's your choices. And now it's that'd be super interesting to see it's like that's a democratic process to see who actually prefers one thing versus the other. That's interesting.
SPEAKER_04:And I don't think it would ever cover 100% of your charter school, but if like the you put it into a pool and then this is money that your individual schools applied to grants for and blah, blah, blah. And so then it's partly subsidized. I I but it's again, it's partly subsidized by those who wish to send their money to those schools.
SPEAKER_08:That's an interesting idea. I've never thought of that. Like allocating your taxes. Yeah, yeah. Like obviously, there'd be some like you have to obviously your tax dollars have to go to roads and maintenance and all these kinds of things.
SPEAKER_07:It's like no, I think it'd be like we don't need roads. It's like building a character is sort of a fantasy game. You allocate it for your little points. For sure. And you get your minimums. So your minimums are there. Yeah, I like that. Can we how do we make this happen?
SPEAKER_05:I that's a great idea. I don't want to pay for snowplows. There you go. Then don't pay for them.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, then you don't have to. Well, there's a minimum. You have to pay two points. Yeah, two of your character points have to go to snowplow why because it does.
SPEAKER_05:No, I shouldn't, I shouldn't have to. I'm like four-wheel drive.
SPEAKER_04:Oh no, but the thing is it's like what if so let's let's thought experiment. We have a one-foot dump of snow overnight on the highway, which is just outside where you are. Yes. How do you get to work?
SPEAKER_05:Four-wheel drive.
SPEAKER_04:Four wheel drive. That doesn't, but that that doesn't answer for mandatory minimums. Like it's like and that's where I I I'm absolutely on board with that. Because it's like I guess the only bit of of inequity is if you're my neighbor and I'm like, I hate snowplows. And you're like, I there, that's my passion, is snowplows. You you dump all your money into snowplows, I'm reaping the benefit of oh, but I can't. But then the society determines what's important. Not just you and me, it's yeah, it's the whole group. And then if I dump all my money into uh public parks or whatever, you get to reap those benefits. Okay, actually, yeah, it all washed out. This fucking seems like democracy works. Oh my goodness, guys. Why don't we do that? Did we solve all of the problems of the world in the first 15 minutes? We might have. That was it.
SPEAKER_08:Democracy said Thanks for listening.
SPEAKER_04:Uh see you later.
SPEAKER_08:Uh yeah, that would work, I think.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but it I I also like I have to acknowledge I do this quite a bit where it's like, I have this wonderful idea. The other problem is though, is that just because I've thought of this, I guarantee you 50 other people have thought of this and suggested and there's probably holes in it. Well, I guarantee no, I know there's holes in it because I haven't we haven't thought about it that much. But it's like that I I almost think it's kind of impossible to have a unique thought like this. Like I didn't reinvent the wheel. You didn't reinvent the wheel, you didn't reinvent the wheel. Like we didn't come up with something special.
SPEAKER_08:But we've all seen product put it into action until one person did. They trademarked it and now they're a millionaire.
SPEAKER_04:So I'm UJB as the one to take this forward. No, because follow you into the bowels of hell. I'm not going into politics. Sorry. All right.
SPEAKER_07:I dub you uh not a chance. I I don't watch the news, so I can't go into politics. It's you're maybe I'll run against Chris Spearman for anyway. No he's gonna do well. I think so.
SPEAKER_05:I I would mostly like to see a system where we have more options because the school, it's this one size fits all approach. This is how we deliver education, like you said. Uh, because we can't we suck at human beings at scaling things, you know. We the the bigger the the sample size of the thing we're trying to deal with, the less options there are, right? It would be nice if we had, yeah, like you said, Montessori School, a school for ADHD children like myself who can't sit still and don't want to sit in class.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, but that's that's most boys. Like it just is. And like the fact that like I'm I'm sure there's for sure people who have diagnosed ADHD, but most boys aren't designed to just sit still.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and it there there are ways to overcome like one of the like Yeah, but you gotta find things they're interested in. Yeah, and then the the the challenge is it's about like well, people who take medication for ADHD, put your hand up at the table, present. Um like that's only you. That was just me. No, I know that's why I said I said present. Um what about people that want to uh it's absolutely legal? Um the the thing is is like the there are uh ways around it and there are tools, and this is something that it's like I didn't realize I had until an adult. I just assume this is how brains worked. Um and you just you have to deal with you have to overcome with. But there's also I think like like most things, I think it's a it's a spectrum, it's a continuum. Like um to say that that's how most people are, I think to an extent is absolutely right. If you're not interested in something, it's hard to buy into it. But then it's when this becomes something that you can't just think your way through, you can't just reason your way out. Um and and that's the limitation. I think our schools are getting a lot better at that now. Um you think so? Oh yeah, a teacher is like hands out gum to these kids like willy-nilly, even though that's against school policy because she's like, that is that's some form of stimulation. And even if it's for those kids who don't need it as that stimulation, that that grounding thing, it's it's it's a small bartering system. They feel like they're they're getting the moon. Um, so it's like there's little things. I think it's getting better. I don't think it's universal. Um, I still struggle with how much we lean into standardized testing. Um, I just don't have an alternative. But it's the I can't remember who this was. Uh I want to say Da Vinci, but it's like if you measure a fish by its ability to fly, it'll always fail, right? Like it's well, it's just the fucking thing isn't made for that. Like, well, it's a flying fish. Well, yeah, but it's still gonna fail. It'll fly way worse than a hawk. What a loose people are gonna look at that flying fish and be like, but compared to the other fish, no, it's way better. It's like leaps and bounds, maybe even Hobson.
SPEAKER_07:My wife just got out of practicum at a school, and eight of the kids out of the 20 kids in the class were uh diagnosed with ADHD, some some learning uh learning disorder. And she said it's it's a like it's a mess. Like the school she was at is really good and she loved it, but like it was really hard to control the kids, and she's just doing the educational system piece. And then I thought back to when I was a kid, no one was diagnosed with anything. Like my class, like nobody had and like I so I don't know, are are we at are we at a stage where things are mentally getting worse, or are they just overdiagnosing, or is it like what is is it false?
SPEAKER_04:I sure say the the latter that I think we're just we're really happy to throw medication at things that don't need it. Um and it's the I I also believe like I this is the really um insensitive way to say it, but I believe that everyone has a little bit of crazy in them, right? Like there's there's there there's something going on for everyone. It's just um I don't say lots of some things, like um we'll look at one like bipolar disorder, like that like that that's a that is a a legitimate thing. But I also think there's lots of people that just deal with like some pretty severe mood swings. And so now it's not gone to the full point where the DSM would acknowledge it because these um things haven't happened for um X amount of days. Like I I don't have DSM 5 memorized, forgive me. But like it's it's one of those things that you have to have, like in order for it to be the. I don't know if I can forgive you for that. That was it, hey. That was the final I think this is over and you should leave. Right. All right, this was fine. Um, but like major depressive disorder. Right. Like that, like you have to have these symptoms. You can't be in a major depressed mood for three days and get diagnosed. Technically, you shouldn't, with depression. It has to last X amount of time. Um, but it doesn't mean, in my opinion, it doesn't mean that you don't have that little bit of, let's say, that depression gene, if that's what we can reduce it to. And I think everyone has little bits of those, and we're just like a cocktail of our own little bits of messed up brain. Do you know what fix that? Cold plunge. Yeah. Probably hydrogen. Hydrogen have hydrogen water. Can you explain hydrogen water, like the theory behind that to me? Because you are re realize what hydrogen water is made of. Hydrogen. Sorry, H2O water is made of. H2O. There's two molecules extra hydrogen. That's not a thing. Extra that's not then it stops being water. It's over hydrogen. It stops being water.
SPEAKER_07:I just spent about$100 on used. Useless stuff then for me.
SPEAKER_04:Today was day one of my hydrogen water. That is, I I I saw that when you think I kind of yelled at my phone. I'm like, don't. What are you doing? I don't know. Gary Breck is it so many times. Well, I don't, I like hydrogen is there. It's there's more hydrogen.
SPEAKER_05:I don't think it's attached to the molecule. I think it's like bonus hydrogen. Yeah, bonus. Okay. Like an expansion pack in the water. Well then where is it?
SPEAKER_04:In the water.
SPEAKER_05:In the water.
SPEAKER_04:In the water. But you realize that that's just like a collection of extra gas. Yeah, it's just dissolved. So it's is it is it carbonated? Uh it's hydrogenated. So how do they get it in there? It's a tablet. Right. And you drop it. Do you know what you just spent money on? The plot plop fizz fizz oh what a relief. Drop a tablet.
SPEAKER_07:It's magnesium. No, it is. There's also magnesium in there. Okay. So it's 99%.
SPEAKER_08:So you drop a tablet in the water and it like.
SPEAKER_07:But you need to drink it when it's bubbling.
SPEAKER_08:And then as soon as it's done, you just guzzle it because you want to get the bubbles. Right. That's all I know. And I did it twice today. And holy shit, that placebo is a thing.
SPEAKER_04:I have no idea what's doing. Though also, in my I'm gonna debunk my own crap here. I I I have a like a bit of a hate on for the idea, like the placebo effect that it is a thing. Because I think if that you take said, well then 100%.
SPEAKER_05:There's actually a guy that talks about it that I just listened to a podcast. He talked a lot about meditat meditation. Yeah. And he said the human body has the ability to create compounds and chemicals and things that will resolve most issues if given the chance. Yeah. So he said this is a lot of credence to the placebo effect. Yeah. Being it it does something.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, the human body has an incredible capacity to heal itself. It's it's astounding. But yeah, a lot of the time we we block it with 100%. Either crap we're eating or decisions we're making, or sometimes it's a mental block. Honestly. It's like I need something to help me here. Take this. Oh, this will help me. You convince yourself that it helps you, and then there you are.
SPEAKER_07:So it's infused with an extra H2. So it's a molecular hydrogen. I don't know. Grox grox's not helping me. I can't know it.
SPEAKER_08:It has antioxidant properties, anti-inflammatory effects.
SPEAKER_07:But that doesn't say what that just says stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Molecular hydrogen. No, I want you to explain how you get extra hydrogen floating around in water. You put it a tablet in. It doesn't you're such an idiot sometimes.
SPEAKER_07:But they but they have one that'll infuse your bathwater. It's like a pump.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, thank goodness.
SPEAKER_07:They'll pump your bathwater out, infuse it with hydrogen, and pump it back in.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, mechanism. Here we go. Here we go. Hydrogen tablets typically contain elemental magnesium and organic acids that react with water to release molecular hydrogen gas, creating HRW. So if you huff it while it's oh I because that's why you're saying you chug it while it's bubbling. With concentrations up to eight to twelve parts per million, the dissolved hydrogen is consumed immediately for maximum bioavailability as it can evaporate quickly. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:So my next question is Ready. Remember you heard of homeopathy or homeopathy? I'm not a homeopathy. Well then I I'm gonna sell you some. I'm gonna I hope I don't hope it don't offend your listeners. But I'm gonna sell you some like water that I've shaken vigorously with silver in it and then dilute it in the water.
SPEAKER_08:Uh first of all, did you put magnesium in it? Because that's apparently needs to be there. Does it have molecular hydrogen? Does it does it have anti-inflammatory properties? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Oh yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_07:Listen, I can't explain something. If you found an influencer to go on a podcast and talk about it. Damn it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:See, now you're not there. You're not there.
SPEAKER_04:Has he been on Joe Rogan?
SPEAKER_07:And I can't throw stones because I've got to. And you know what?
SPEAKER_04:Also at the end of the day, I shouldn't be giving you. Do we swear on here? Yes. Okay. I shouldn't be giving you shit about you. You've listened to this. Do you know that? I know, but I'm self-conscious. Okay, okay. But like I shouldn't be giving you shit about doing something that you want to do that you like based for based for no other reason off of what we just talked about with that placebo bit. Yeah, you're trying it. Because if drinking this water makes you feel better and you enjoy it, then see, but here's the here's the thing.
SPEAKER_08:I don't think I'm not saying I'm not I'm immune to placebo, because for sure I'm not. However, with this hydrogen water like thing, I literally have no idea if it's gonna do anything for me. I just like, you know what? He there's there's he's saying these things, he's making some claims, I'm gonna give it a try. What can it hurt?
SPEAKER_04:But let's go. But the fact that you're trying it, like like you wouldn't be trying this if he said this would does nothing. Like you're trying to do that. Because he's saying it's doing good things. So there is like in the back of your mind, you're gonna be looking for those.
SPEAKER_08:But I'm not like this is the thing with like um some of the things I've done. Like he does it like a three-day fast, and like uh there's something else I did where I was like, I honestly couldn't tell you whether it made a difference. Like I've done things where people said, Hey, this is good for you. Cool, I'll try it. And I'll do it for a period of time. And I'm like, I don't try anything too. I've no, I have no idea. I've like it, did it do anything? Like, I don't feel any different. Uh does it make it I don't I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Uh red light therapy, actually, that's that's what I'm thinking. The red light therapy, uh, the calolite that my wife bought. Yeah, she bought it and then then I started using it, and I did it for consistently for quite a while, and I could not tell you one way or the other. Yeah, no idea.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and and and yeah, and I I think it comes down to I think whatever people pick to do for themselves on their own, like for their own benefit, for their own health. Yeah. Like whatever power to you, man. I just I just hydrogen water, like that. That one has always kind of bugged me because it's like I this is the first time I've heard what you described as like the pills you drop in. Yeah, people were, I was pretty sure like selling water bottles. You put your water in this, it adds hydrogen in. I was losing my mind. I'm like, there are places that do that. Oh my god. And like that, that's that like that's messed up. I think that's crazy. But like what you're doing is you're basically yeah, you you're inhaling via, but you're gonna burp out a lot of it, too, by the way.
SPEAKER_08:I burped out zero of it today.
SPEAKER_04:Then you should probably go to the doctor.
SPEAKER_08:I burped zero of it out. Well then it wasn't. It wasn't really hydrated all day.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't burp. When you exhaled, I bet a bunch of gas came out.
SPEAKER_05:You know what I love about this?
SPEAKER_08:Gas always comes out when you exhale. I have moron.
SPEAKER_05:Jeff is gonna listen. Jeff is gonna listen to this and he's gonna yell at you exactly. I know. Jeff yells at me all the time. I love it.
SPEAKER_04:I just I just think like I like that this is one where I'm like it, like, yeah, that getting more gas in the things, pills, you're on to something there. I was I thought you were talking about you have a special water bottle, you put water in it, and now it's got extra hydrogen. I was gonna come across this table. Hypothetically, I would shimmy across the side of this.
SPEAKER_05:Not saying that I support that, but what what if the water bottle hypothetically added more hydrogen? I don't know.
SPEAKER_08:But it does. So no, no, it it there so it does. So it's no shush. It's it's similar to this. Like it's it's the same um same mechanism in some ways. However, uh, when he does it.
SPEAKER_04:Did you flag this and come back to this in six months when he's figured out that this isn't his 100% confident model?
SPEAKER_07:When he still has a half full bottle of hydrogen tabs and he hasn't.
SPEAKER_08:But when he when he talks about this, he he he was cleared it up because he, this Breca guy, yes, uh, he's kind of a cult leader. I don't know if I should think it believe anything he says.
SPEAKER_04:Even your hashtag is very record cult. Yeah, you pulled it out.
SPEAKER_08:100%. But like, I but the th some of the things he says, here's the thing you you cannot deny that the people that have worked with him have seen insane results. So, like, and and I know it's anecdotal, I get that. However, there's something to it, and and I something he said I completely have been buying into lately. The idea that like some of these concepts that are seem kind of woo-hoo that um, but they've been around for thousands of years, like breath work, like uh cold, like getting cold into cold things, like they've been around for a really long time. People have done them for forever. That's because they do something. So it's like some of these theories where they sound like it's almost like we're going backwards for things, like it's like, oh well, that's not new, it's not medicine, it's not pharma. It's like there's a reason they're around still, and then now they're being talked about maybe more so than they were 50 years ago to 30, 40 years ago, when we kind of shifted to more medicine-based stuff. But so when I when I hear some of the things he talks about, you're like, Yeah, this sounds a little bit crazy, but you're like, Wow, what's that it's it looks hard to try?
SPEAKER_04:Bro, like if you were like I started chewing birch bark, and I'm like a huge fan of that, I would be like, Absolutely, dude, that makes total sense. Like, because it's like there there's there's inherent like medicinal properties like surrounding us international. Completely, but that like I just it's it's a mental block for me. I'll fully acknowledge it. But like you telling me that this special kind of water bottle is gonna add more hydrogen to my H2O. It does.
SPEAKER_08:And I don't know how it does, but it only does for the problem. So again, just uh listen, listen to the podcast with Joe again. You should listen. Open your mind, open up your mind. Stop being so close-minded, Tim. So close-minded. Uh but I can't explain it. But basically, he says initially he was gung-ho with them, then he realized, no, these are actually at a certain first of all, there's some ones that do nothing. Yeah, so there's specific, they're expensive, so most people can't afford them, and after a couple months, they don't do what they're supposed to do anymore. I could see that. So they're kind of they they initially do what they say they're supposed to do. They hydrate, I don't know how hydrogenate the water, but then after a certain period of time, they lose its ability to do that, and it's basically just like spinning it. It's not really doing what it's supposed to do because of the cells in it, the cell at the bottom.
SPEAKER_04:So, so you're saying that there's something.
SPEAKER_08:I don't know. I don't know how they work. I'm just saying the tabs seem easy. The tabs are easy. What was it? How much were they? 50 bucks for 60 or something?
SPEAKER_07:It's like a dollar a tab.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:It's not a big deal. I don't know, man. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try.
SPEAKER_07:I think that's awesome. If it if it makes my knee feel better, I'm gonna I'm all.
SPEAKER_08:Today's day one. How do you feel about peptides? There you go.
SPEAKER_04:It doesn't matter. It sounds it's how do you feel about peptides?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I I had I had those I had one earlier this week. You had a peptide? He's lying. He just says it's a pepto. Yeah, that's what it is, right?
SPEAKER_05:Uh I feel good. Yeah? How a week? Good, good. A week, yeah. Uh I think I'm noticing maybe some healing. Yeah. Peptide is a short chain amino acid. Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_08:It target essentially it depends on so uh actually uh Ozempic uh is is a peptide. Uh it's they they market it as a drug, but it's actually a peptide. Okay. And it targets specific spots. Yeah. Talking about Oh, that's the BB the thing you were talking about. Yeah, I was listening.
SPEAKER_04:I still don't know what that means.
SPEAKER_08:It basically it's supposed to target um areas that help you heal.
SPEAKER_04:No, that's so cool. Oh, you didn't?
SPEAKER_08:Damn it. Anyway, there's like it's again mechanisms. I don't know, dude. Well, let's keep spot here.
SPEAKER_04:Oh man, uh like I when it comes to like yeah, like I What about blue blue scorpion betum? Oh yeah, sure. Oh yeah. Sign me up.
unknown:Oh Jesus.
SPEAKER_05:Peptide.
SPEAKER_04:Like I like genuinely, I'll I there are a few mental blocks for me, but I have to I have to get over that a little bit. But like I I was legitimately given like homeopathic remedies that you should have these, and then I googled how they work, and it just shut me down. And like that, like so there are some things, because like I'm gonna try and like layman's terms this down, but you guys are aware of like homeopathy as a thing. So the idea is um that obviously like there are certain healing properties and specific properties in a variety of things, be it some of them are like metals, right? So like silver and gold and whatever. Um, but it grounds itself in the concept that water has memory, which like okay, fine. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_05:It's definitely the not the craziest thing you've said today, right?
SPEAKER_04:But then this is this is where this is where it goes, is that so um you take uh one part of let's say gold, and you take 100 parts of you need some kind of baseline. It's often like an alcoholic. So are you talking about alchemy? Uh no, no, but so it doesn't have to be gold. We'll say silver. This is magic, it's a basic magic. It's basically so so you you take one part this, put it a hundred parts this, and then you shake the shit out of it. You just shake it vigorously. And the idea is that those gold molecules bumping up against your water molecules, it imparts that kind of energy there. Great. Now you take this now solution that's been shaken with that golden in it, and you take one part of that, 100 parts of new, brand new solution, shake it around. So it's getting, we could all say parts per million wise, infinitely weaker. Nay, nay. According to homeopathy, it is now twice as strong. And you do that several times, and now you're dealt with a solution which is like 50 times stronger. It's been around.
SPEAKER_08:Is this like potions class with Snape?
SPEAKER_04:No, this is this is you can buy this anywhere. Hold on. Stop. Oh no. That's exactly my response. You you do you believe this? No, I don't. No, we don't. And that's why.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, I thought you did, and I'm like copying.
SPEAKER_04:It's not the real like Gary Bracken, no. It's not the table to do that. No, the point that I'm making is like that's a mental block for me. Someone was like, You like, you need to try these things. This will help your Crohn's and all these other things. And I'm like, okay, I'll try it. And I looked into what it, I'm like, I cannot. It would be less weird if someone was like, hey, take this root of tree and bit of metal and put it in your bottom lip for an hour, and that'll make a difference. I'll be like, yeah, sure, I'll do that. Whatever. But like take this thing which has been like, oh, anyway.
SPEAKER_08:But again, uh, but again, it's a weird, right? Because I think obviously people who like, yeah, I believe. Yeah, yeah, that's that, yeah, 100%. That's gonna help me. They take it, it helps them because placebo.
SPEAKER_04:And then and that's the thing. But if that works for them, then hell yeah, dude. Sure. Big, big fan. Right, but then but then here's the messed up part. Does it work? Well, but this is this is where it comes back to is like this literally what you're saying, is like that placebo bit. Is does that sugar pill work or does that sugar pill enable you to get it to work? And you're kind of like, who knows? I don't know. But at the end of the day, the end result is you feel better, 10 out of 10. That's yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You also have to be responsible in your decisions because there's a fine line between that and believing the fucking earth is flat.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, a thousand percent. Like you have to, I think, at some point take accountability for your stuff. And like wherever it is, whether it's a health thing or whether it's a perspective thing, just just own it and and lean into it, but with reason. Well, and they there's an interesting there was it's an older one, it was like 2019, but like the the behind the curve. It was like the the flat earther documentary on Netflix. Did you watch that? No, it was really well done. They did a good job of trying not to make too much fun of the flat earthers, like it the it which is low-hanging fruit. Like it's it's right there. But they it they did a pretty decent job of like trying to allow them to say their piece without just making fun of it.
SPEAKER_08:I apologize to all our flat earther listeners. Um sorry, dude. But they're wrong.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, oh, big time. But the like what was what was wild is like every experiment that these guys did, they proved that they were wrong. And they would just keep coming back with, ah, shoot, we'll try another one. Like this this whole thing ended with um they bought um like this really powerful. Oh no, so the f it was ended in the two little phases. They're like, we're gonna definitively prove all you guys are wrong because the earth isn't spinning like this, it's flying through space. And so they bought this like super, super strong like gyro, whatever, and like can detect the spin of the earth. And they're like, if it was working, I don't know the numbers, forgive me, but it's like it will show the number 4.25, and it's not, so it's gonna show zero. They turned it on 4.25. Like, huh? Well, this is broken, and then like left it. And then the next one they found this like really, really long, straight canal. They're like, we're gonna prove the earth was flat, because that's one of the the earlier sort of ways to be like, oh, it's round, because you watch a sailboat go away and you'd like to see it sink below the horizon. And so they're like, Yeah, but that's not that's not right. That's light refraction, whatever else. So we're going to at night get these big white boards, put a hole in them at like seven feet up, and shine a bright light through it, and you'll be able to see that light at um at every distance, at like you know, 50 meters, 100 meters, uh kilometer, two kilometers, um, and blah blah and it shone the light, and the guy at the end couldn't see it. They're like, it's well, yeah, I it turned it on the light turned off. Yeah, it's it's on. Oh. Huh. And you just left them go like, well, oh, well, we'll we'll try another one. But what with the really interesting bit on it was, and this is where like I I can get behind some of the idea of it. And it was a scientist, um, again, some astrophysicist guy, and the the documentary uh person. Oh, yeah, that was him. Um, was like um because they had this like flat earth convention at the same time as this like astrophysics or space science, whatever, and like the bar beside them. And he's like, Does this like piss you off? Does this like upset you that you know like they're here and clearly ignoring science? And he had a really interesting take. He's like, No, actually, like it saddens me because we let them down. And I kind of caught what the hell are you talking about? He's like, Because what they're doing is that they're doing like the basis of good science. They just are so misguided. And when they came to us with a question, because this is what science is, right? Something comes up, question it. Come up with an experiment, experiment, and try and try and find out. They came to us with a question that we thought was silly, as opposed to sitting them down and showing them through experiments and through other processes. We laughed them off the the whatever the podium and told them to fuck off. And so now they've gone and tried to do this themselves and have come up with what they think is evidence, but it's it's misguided because we left them alone and and we told them to fuck off. And so he's like, I I'm I'm disappointed.
SPEAKER_08:Which is what you're always gonna have, yeah, I I agree. Uh but on the other hand, you're always gonna have those people just who uh like F this they're just like F the system and no matter what, they're just like yeah, the oppositional no matter what, right? They're just like nope, that's just how it is. Uh and it's fine.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and it's the the but there's an interesting part of like human development that we have to this actually makes me think of something you said the the other day um on the podcast. It wasn't the other day, but I listened to it within like last day. Um but you're talking about like bias, you wanted to live like bias free, and like bias, like that level of like pre-established understanding is essential to our survival.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_04:Because it's like um it example being if you ever had that drink before, this never never. But you've had drinks like that before. And so you're going to assume, based on your previous experience, that that isn't poison. Correct. But you open it, you drink it, you move on. It's not this big, shocking, scary thing. But if everything you did was like you have to figure it out for yourself, it's like you wouldn't eat anything until you'd put it through rigorous testing. You wouldn't you wouldn't do anything because it's like you you can't like I've never been stung by a scorpion, but I'm gonna take science's you know advice on this and other people's experience and understand that that will probably make me unwell and hurt like hell. So I'm not gonna go ahead and wrestle with a scorpion.
SPEAKER_08:It's silly to no, it's silly to think that you will not have biases or you don't have biases, or you can get rid of bias for sure. Uh the the the key just is always that you have to be willing to change like your mind in this specific situation. Like I had a bias coming in, yeah. Uh, but all of a sudden I met this person who I had a bias towards. However, they're completely the opposite, or they're and and the you you can't, I guess you can't allow that bias to like uh affect necessarily how you you affect your willingness to hear them for who they are versus what your thoughts were.
SPEAKER_04:And what I was gonna like where I was going with that is like what I loved about that is like like I thought it was a really cool. I wouldn't have picked that as like a mental superpower, by the way. I think memory was a bit stronger. I'm sorry, CJ.
SPEAKER_05:I thought he wanted to like fly or something.
SPEAKER_04:No, I had something else. You picked memory. Did I have memory? You had perfect memory, you had telekinesis, which I thought was cheating, by the way. Just saying, like I don't even remember this conversation.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, yeah, no, I had perfect memory. Yeah, you had uh maybe I have perfect memory, maybe that's what that is. But mind stuff.
SPEAKER_04:But what one thing that I thought was like is the ability to like consciously couch your bias, like just to be able to see every bias so that every bias that like that you have isn't invisible to you. You're aware of every single one, and you can decide to acknowledge or push aside. I think that would be like fucking next level. That would be superpower. That's the superpower you picked, yeah. Because there are so many things. Was I here for that conversation?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, you were, but I don't remember that being that superpower because I feel like he just did a better job of explaining it. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I think he did, but I still wouldn't take that.
SPEAKER_05:He's explaining most things better. He got invited back again, right?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, like right.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, are we agreeing right now? Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08:We don't look smart if he's here. Okay, perfect. Got that. Uh thanks for coming.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, this was lots of fun. Uh, here's my point. I think that like if you're looking at some of this stuff, my my goal would be to approach it with an open mind to a degree. The open mind stops at things like the flat earth because y'all are fucking crazy. However, I'm gonna look at your fucking potion making where we add one part gold to water and then magic makes it you know a hundred times stronger.
SPEAKER_04:By shaking it. By shaking it.
SPEAKER_05:I'm gonna look at it with an open mind because I don't know. I don't have the ability to know yes or no uh definitively. Just like I'm gonna suggest that you look at the hydrogen water. Yes, with an open mind. I agree.
SPEAKER_07:All right. He did he does a good job of explaining on the podcast, though. That that Rogan podcast. He really does.
SPEAKER_08:He really does, and he might be wrong. And he goes with that.
SPEAKER_07:He goes through autoimmune diseases and how hydrogen water benefits like Crohn's diseases. Fuck, does he? He a hundred percent does, and Brock confirmed that those two things are something that's in the end, it's and I'm the asshole over here saying I'll try everything twice.
SPEAKER_04:Hydrogen water, it works. Fuck you, JB. Come back. I should I should check myself. But that's that's my point is like JB, remember way back when when I made fun of you for that hydrogen water five minutes. That was so long ago. I'm so sorry, dude. That was that was out of left field. I don't know what happened.
SPEAKER_08:But uh in the end, like uh what I like about what he talks about and what what he and also that that book Good Energy by Casey and Cali means. Uh if you because you you have issues with certain types of food, right?
SPEAKER_04:Uh well I'm allergic to like everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:So just like just everything. That's a yes. That's a yes. Yeah. Um that's why like their book, I really, I really if you don't haven't looked at it, or actually we have at the library at the nursing home, uh, I believe. Uh good energy is called. Reading's hard though. It is hard.
SPEAKER_04:Is there a way to listen to it?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, you can call it audible.
SPEAKER_04:I that's how I do all of my reading. Can we talk about that next too? I do. Because I've gotten arguments with that about what that counts.
SPEAKER_08:Um, but the the the point of this is that like their whole philosophy, and I think they're completely right, is that the vast majority of our health issues is due to inflammation. Oh, yeah. And and like because we see symptoms, we see symptoms of all these things, right? But in the end, it all comes back to are these simp these symptoms a result of something in our body, which is hard to pinpoint. We can say, Oh, this is where the symptoms are happening. So because the symptoms happening in this part of your body, we're gonna prescribe this type of medication versus how do we get this whole system to to be have less inflammation? And because again, that it might just be it's that's where it's showing is this area. However, that's not doesn't mean that necessarily that is the problem. The overarching problem is, I mean, diet exercise, and all these things, but inflammation is the overarching thing, and so I that's why like Breca really focuses on that, and so does uh Casey Callie means in their kind of holistic approach. And again, they're both like they're both like uh specialist doctors who left that to go to like a holistic like doctor.
SPEAKER_04:And I'm I'm issue I'm here for the holistic thing. The only thing is like my my body's been trying to kill me for the over 30 years, yeah. Um, which means I'm invincible.
SPEAKER_08:Uh I think it just means you should have some hydrogen water.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, um but it's fix it. But so like the the challenge being like so some of my allergies like actually most of them, like we're talking about like anaphylaxis. And so that's not like uh an Have you tried uh like grit?
SPEAKER_08:Like just having more grit?
SPEAKER_04:Just being better?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, just like having some resilience.
SPEAKER_04:I haven't actually pen on you right now. I do, yeah. Okay, yeah. Because we got peanuts up in this bitch. Oh, I know. I uh the other thing is just being a superpower, this is so weird. But like I have God, I shouldn't I have like an acute ability to like smell peanuts. Oh yeah, you do it's so weird. Like, um specifically, like um, so if you had like a bowl of peanuts open, like I would smell it, but peanut butter has like such a pungent odor. So it is like, oh and it's so strange. But it's but like what makes sense about it is that I've spent my entire life, with the exception of like the first year and a half of my life, allergic to this and being told this will kill you. So my body has just like it doesn't smell good at all. And I know I can't smell peanut butter right now. If I think about it, like I can't absolutely like if like so if you were to walk in with like a peanut butter sandwich, I would I would have absolutely no. I don't know what that smells, absolutely, which is so weird, and it's like evolutionarily close, yeah. Yeah, I'll stick with that. Yeah, I'm gonna stick to that.
SPEAKER_05:I could muck a spoonful of craft spoon.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna go. Can we go get the peanut butter? Let's test Tim's ability to smell and die at the same time. Who wants to go to the hospital? Um, I could I think I could do uh uh the tracheotomy. Well, yeah, um, it just depends where my throat is closed. Oh god, yeah, that's we should I'm ready. Let us gingerly. Oh, we're all pulling on our knives and we feel you can't see what we're doing. Oh, mine's so dirty. I'm just ready to do a tracheotomy. Do you know what? Like the best way to do one of those is like with the big pen. Have you seen that? Yeah, yeah. I'll just I'll find some I'll find a tube. Find a tube to shove it on your throat. Um, yeah, no, I would just rather not. Like maybe we could just like talk about it. I'm just gonna leave it here. Just as an option. I'm just gonna leave it here.
SPEAKER_05:Have you considered trying like small amounts of peanut?
SPEAKER_04:So, what's actually interesting um is that like level of exposure therapy is something that they're working on right now. I don't know where it's at, but it's been like in the works for like ages and ages. Yeah, yeah. Just not like you're not doing like building up resistance to it. Yeah, but it starts at like like like a be in the room with the peanut butter. Like that's day with your just let's talk about it. Did you break out? No, you didn't. This is this is good. Um, but like starting with like a single protein, right? And so it's like it's all done in like solutions, but it's like you have a single protein. And this is something that they've been working on for ages. It was in Eastern Canada, they were doing like an expert, like trial, whatever experiment with it. Um, and they got someone who was anaphylaxis to peanuts up to, I think, being able to have you're still allergic. Like you're still allergic, but they she was able to get her tolerance up to like I think it was like 10 plus peanut butter cup? No, like 10 plus whole peanuts without having a reaction. Well, so what it does is it doesn't eliminate your allergy, but it brings your threshold of that reaction up so high that you effectively don't have an allergy anymore. Where it's like, oh, there was peanuts in this, I'll spit this bite out and then be absolutely fine, which is a game changer.
SPEAKER_05:I um this health and stuff like that. Allergies come up so infrequently. Allergies are weird though.
SPEAKER_04:Like, and the thing is because I like I was also like you you'll hear conversation, you'll hear people say like allergies didn't exist a hundred years ago. And that like that's just No, they just died. Thank you, right? I'm like, that's just no, that's bullshit. People would die of apoplectic fits. Apoplexy was a thing. And if you look at it, is it's like I don't know, they just died. They went like this and died. And so people just they they just died of other reasons.
SPEAKER_07:But no, but like th 30 years ago, allergies existed less, I feel.
SPEAKER_04:Or did they exist less or were they just not called out? Were just people dying left and right?
SPEAKER_08:So it's harder, I think it's harder when you go back like like 30.
SPEAKER_04:I think 30 is like I'm thinking more kids. That's a better number. But so like when that's all I can remember. It it existed. The thing is it's just it wasn't talked about. So it's like I was so when I was in school, like in elementary school, like I was like my mom, so I was allergic to peanuts, my older brother was allergic to peanuts. He grew out of his allergy, which is like awesome. Grow out of allergies? Yeah, you can. Yeah, you know, if you're tough. He had some grit. He did, he had a hell of a lot of grit. He took all the grit from me, and I was just like, dumb. He took that uh he took that triactin vaccine. He didn't. That was the one, that was the one. You were the one vaccine you didn't. That was the one. Um, but like so my my mom was pretty like like at least in Calgary, like where where I grew up, like pretty um at the fore of getting like the peanut allergy awareness in the schools. And it always existed.
SPEAKER_07:It's your mom's fault.
SPEAKER_04:She was probably the most likely Northwest Calgary. Let's Hakuna, you're talking to us here. Do we even call your mother? Is she the reason for the thing? Because the thing is, is like the stickers now. But so but so like what but what's ironic to me is it's like people around me are more worried about my allergy than I am.
SPEAKER_05:Do you have to eat food made it in a peanut-free facility? Like, do you look for that label? I read it.
SPEAKER_07:I read the everything I buy. Yeah, yeah. That's why the Mars bars come in this separate package in the candy bar bag at Halloween.
SPEAKER_04:But it's like so like people get more uncomfortable and more worried about myology than I do. I I grew up with like I was raised with the idea of this is your responsibility. This is on you. You take care of it. Like it's like, and and I just think that that's a good factor for life. It's like it's like it's it's it's like opinions. It's like this is mine, it doesn't matter to anyone else. It's important to me, so I gotta take care of it. So it's like it that was me going to school. Was it was we'd never had a peanut-free classroom. We didn't. We we had So you just in there dodging bullets and what we had was just like an awareness. I honestly should have been beaten up every day. Like my mom would come in to school and like every year we'd do like a presentation on like Tim's allergic to peanuts. And I also, for the podcast, for you listener, I wore a fanny pack from kindergarten to the ninth grade. With your pen or with your on you right now.
SPEAKER_05:My IP pen, no, it's in my coat. Okay, because but it's in the house. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm just because I'm worried now. No, you shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_03:No, but this is the point. So like I've like I'm not trying to.
SPEAKER_04:To old folks' homes, um, like they tried to some funeral homes. They ban some funeral homes. They tried to ban peanuts from the office several times. And we're like, we're gonna do this. And I was like, absolutely not. Please don't. The thing is because it's like it that like that that affects everyone else around me. And whereas like it's up to me to not lick the keyboard. I think I can do that, you know. And if like it's I I take necessary steps.
SPEAKER_06:Really, though, you should have just did what your brother did. I just grew out of it. Yeah, I tried.
SPEAKER_04:What I did though was acquire more. So that would counterproductive. You took more of his allergies. I just took more new ones.
SPEAKER_05:Maybe that's your superpower. Is that you just collect allergies?
SPEAKER_04:I am Darwin's pain, is what I referred to. It's like describable to fittest. I should have been dead ages ago.
SPEAKER_08:Did you ever watch the show Heroes? It's about my life, I think. No, it's not. Oh, damn it. It's like people with superpowers, I think. Somebody's somebody's power was like they took on people's like bad things.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, that's the guy in the green mile did that, didn't he? He sucked in all the bad. Oh, my Michael Clark Duncan? Yeah, he did that.
SPEAKER_04:I'm just like so small.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, but then he spit it out in flies.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:I don't do that. That looks so bad.
SPEAKER_04:That was a good reenactment, though. And there's flies. He gained like three chins. I'm real tired, boss. That was a good that was a good fucking movie. It was a great film.
SPEAKER_08:It was a great film.
SPEAKER_05:Uh sorry, CJ, what would you like to say? We just go back for a minute. I don't want to. I like most of the things you say. Keep advancing. Oh, that makes sense. I think I I think that I agree with it. However, like many things, people have done allergies a disservice by also not having allergies and saying they have allergies. Fucking preach.
SPEAKER_04:Drives me crazy. How do you think that's what you're doing?
SPEAKER_05:I'm allergic to gluten.
SPEAKER_07:But you get tested and they tell you you have allergies.
SPEAKER_05:Sure. And some people, maybe sensitivities, maybe allergies. Some people just say I'm allergic to gluten because I'm fucking a white girl in my mid-30s.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:So so it's like, because I can think of three names that we have to apologize to.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, no, but see, but but the thing is, is like you're absolutely right. Because the thing is, is is it devalue well it's a double-edged sword. So it devalues everyone who actually has the inability to process. So we'll talk about gluten. Is this like medical virtue signaling? Is that what we're doing? A little bit, right?
SPEAKER_05:Victim victim like that sort.
SPEAKER_04:But it's like people who are celiac and like their their celia die when gluten shows up. And they, if they continue to eat gluten, they will like lose their ability to like obtain nutrients, get bowel cancer, and die very unpleasantly.
SPEAKER_08:Weren't there Sicilians in the Princess Bride? No, that's a Sicilian.
SPEAKER_04:I'm sorry. I'm besides Celia.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, put that knife away, you psychopath.
SPEAKER_04:You're not getting so uncomfortable. I should have just agreed with him. You're absolutely right. That isn't.
SPEAKER_08:I'm just looking forward to trying a tracheotomy. As you wish.
SPEAKER_04:Nice. Princess Bride reference. Did you get it? He doesn't understand. No, don't do it. But there was a book. That's why I assumed you. Anyway, yeah. Um, so the but the only advantage. Of that, of it becoming popular and becoming a fad is that necessity breeds invention. And so when you have more and more people that are into gluten-free food for whatever reason they've come up with, the quality of the food gets better. So it's the same thing and like uh non-alcoholic stuff. Um, like the quality of non-alcoholic beer in the last like two years, even less than that, has gotten insanely better. So, like that this is an Olay that's got no alcohol in it. Now that's not a beer, that's just like a uh mock tail. But like the the Corona Sunbrew, for example, like tastes really good. Uh Guinness Zero tastes a lot like Guinness. Whereas alcohol-free beers like five years ago, terrible, terrible, absolutely terrible. And it's because more and more people got into it. They didn't have medical reasons for it, they weren't quitting drinking. It was just I want to do this for my reasons.
SPEAKER_07:There was also a financial fake peanut butter now, it's actually decent.
SPEAKER_04:It's actually decent. I I can't eat most of the fake peanut butter because it's got things I'm allergic to in it, but that's just I love it, is what that is.
SPEAKER_05:Are you off the alcohol?
SPEAKER_04:I am, yeah. Wow. Yeah. One of the medications I take is like a thou shalt not drink when you're on it. And it took me uh a little too long to figure that out. Uh don't tell I'm a doctor. But uh yeah, I I don't drink.
unknown:Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:For my health. I was gonna say for your health, but it's I think for my exclusive. For your safety.
SPEAKER_08:What else?
SPEAKER_05:The collective. What else are you allergic to?
SPEAKER_07:Uh the timing on that, too.
SPEAKER_04:The timing was here we go. Let's get the list going. You guys are just gonna be like, have like a are you allergic to more stuff than Tanner?
SPEAKER_05:Oh, oh, not quite. I think he might have the idea. I think he might have.
SPEAKER_07:He's a single digiter, though, I think.
SPEAKER_05:He I think it's quicker for him to talk about the things he's not allowed to have.
SPEAKER_04:When you talk to him specifically about vegetables, it's like which ones can you eat? Yeah, flowers. So mine, it sounds like a lot, but if you boil it down to I can't have legumes or tree nuts. So a legume is anything that grows in a pod. So if it's a pea or a bean, I can't have it. You can't have a pea or a bean or a phone. Or a pistachio or a pistachio.
SPEAKER_07:Or a pistachio.
SPEAKER_04:What's better than a fresh garden pea? It's like a pea you just picked out of the garden. So I can't have tree nuts, so I can't have nuts, and I can't have legumes. A peanut's not a nut, it's a legume. It's in the bean and pea family. If you were to pick a fresh peanut, it would be very similar to like an edamami bean or a pea, like that pod that we get and it's crusty, it's like actually soft. You'd peel it open, whatever.
SPEAKER_08:Can I be honest with you?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I know. You're gonna make fun of me. Just eat it.
SPEAKER_07:Just eat it. You're fine.
SPEAKER_08:Sometimes you make me angry with like how much you know about everything. Oh.
SPEAKER_07:Like it, like I sometimes and how little he knows about hydrogen water. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Right? It pisses me off. Like, like aliens and stuff, like we why don't you know you need to know more about that? But like sometimes like you bring up something comes up, and I'm like, yeah, and then Tim's like, Well, actually, the history of this is in 1957.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know.
SPEAKER_07:I I almost like you went to school too.
SPEAKER_08:Do you have a photogenic memory?
SPEAKER_07:No. Are you the superpower with the memory? Is that you? I think you might just easier to see.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like do you? You guys are gonna beat me up after this thing. I was like, I talked about how I didn't get beat up when I should have. Small little guy wearing a fanny pack allergic to peanuts, like that's low-hanging fruit. And you guys are gonna be like, I'll make up for fucking lost time and loser. Suck at Tim and just beat the shit out of me. Yeah, well, maybe, but like rub some tree nuts on you.
SPEAKER_08:How's this? We got like an hour before that happens. Don't even think about that. All right, yeah. Um can you I was learning, I was in the middle of fucking learning something. I I've I've worked with him for quite a while, and uh we've had these conversations, and sometimes I'm like, does this dude know everything about everything? And then that's no.
SPEAKER_05:Did you know that I knew his sister in Calgary before I knew him? Did you date her? No. How old is she?
SPEAKER_07:Oh, don't make that face. Why did you make that face?
SPEAKER_05:No, because it would have been weird. I didn't know. Why would that be weird? But why do we date off because she's been dating the same guy for 150 years?
SPEAKER_07:How old is she buried now? She said she was 38, sir.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's relationship math. You don't know that? No. Anyway, sorry for anyway. I'm sorry for interrupting.
SPEAKER_05:Legumes and tree nuts. I've learned now what a leg legume is.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so anything that goes in a pot of peanuts, not a nut, it's a legume. And so I'm allergic to all of the legumes, and I I have acquired an allergy in my adulthood to tree nuts. Actually, I guess late uh early adulthood, whatever it was. Why would you do that? Why? Because my body sucks. What's a tree nut? Have you ever just like tried to believe you're not alert? All of the nuts. The things that elephants eat. Every every nut that you can think of is a tree nut. Yeah, you see the nose goes up to the tree and they pick it off the tree. How can some tree nuts make my mouth really itchy? That's called an allergy. You should you should look at that. Um and it's because like some like yeah, and so there are if you're allergic to tree nuts, you're not necessarily the allergic to the same level with as every single tree nut. Um, so it's like some beans are worse for me than others.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like walnuts fuck my shit up.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so you have a minor allergy to walnuts, I would say. Because if your your mouth feels weird, kind of tingly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the intro to an anaphylactic reaction, my dude. Welcome to the peanut allergy club. Can I have an expired epi pen and out soul me?
SPEAKER_08:Dude, they're like 10 bucks. Do you know what's wild? No, they're not. They're$100. Not with our not with our benefits. I got I literally got two of them.
SPEAKER_05:He literally needed.
SPEAKER_08:I literally got two of them a year ago before our race in the lost soul. Because I thought I was gonna get stung by a bee and die. Are you allergic to bees? Yeah. Loser!
SPEAKER_03:Everyone make fun of this guy.
SPEAKER_04:He's allergic to insects. Poke fun at him.
SPEAKER_08:It was like$11.$11.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, after after benefits.
SPEAKER_08:That's what I said.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't I still actually don't even know.
SPEAKER_08:11 bucks. I think I still have to. I thought there would be$100 because that's the last time I bought one was$100. Yeah, there it is. It's 10 years. And they expire every year. Yeah, mine was 10 years expired.
SPEAKER_04:I would love to have an expire. But it's but it's crazy that we have to use our benefits on it. So you know what's wild, so I've got a paramedic buddy. I haven't been able to look this up, and the doctors don't really want to seem to want to talk to me about it. But he was saying that when epinephrine expires, it actually gets stronger. Which I'm like, dude, if that's the case, we're gonna have some fun. But um, because I have a lot of experience. Can you drop that? Yeah, I would love to get an answer on that because it seems so counterproductive.
SPEAKER_07:It does not seem right.
SPEAKER_04:Because epinephrine gets stronger once it expires. Yeah, because that that like every other medication, so like expired Tylenol, you can still take it. And this is your first of all, is this your family doctor telling you this? No, no, this was a paramedic friend. Okay, but he also could have been messing with me. People tend to do that with me. I don't know why. I can't, I can't figure it out.
SPEAKER_07:They lied to you about what you're allergic to?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, maybe you're not allergic to anything. The doctor's messing with you.
SPEAKER_07:This is a long pond.
SPEAKER_03:What an idiot.
SPEAKER_07:No, it does not. Like, think there's there's no like other side of the coin here. It's like, no, it does not. Perfect.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that's good then. Because I just saved us from like getting really ill. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I can give you some expired epic pens if you'd like.
SPEAKER_08:Have you ever uh jammed one of those things into something to see how hard they smash?
SPEAKER_04:I jammed one into my daughter once.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, that's wow. Because she needed it?
SPEAKER_04:Yep. No, just for just for fun.
SPEAKER_07:Wait, it's expired. Why don't we just see what it do you want to get weird?
SPEAKER_04:Um my bad question. Just to see how it felt. It turns out it hurt a lot, so I didn't do it to myself. She's pretty unhappy, so I was like, I won't do that.
SPEAKER_05:I I know you've told me this story once before, uh, but I want to hear it again because it was a while ago.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Oh, like the story where I had to give it to my okay. Uh so my youngest is allergic to eggs, though uh she's growing out of that egg allergy. She she said she's antifacted egg and is growing out of it. Yeah, it's a super common allergy for children, apparently. Um, but like like vaccines that we give them. Except so many vaccines are actually egg-based, so that wouldn't be it. No, it could be, because it could be I don't know why.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, some of them the autoimmune reaction generated by us over vaccinating our children.
SPEAKER_04:You know, you know how I said sometimes I want to beat you up. That was one. Okay. Yeah. Can you close that knife now? Because when you're talking about how you want to beat me up while you're spinning that knife around, like sorry, continue. Uh sorry, I don't want your daughter had a reaction to an egg. So, well, no, no, that's what we thought. So she uh it turns out it was just really bad croup. Um looked like uh an anaphylactic reaction to egg. So you didn't need to give it to her. Turns out, well, no, that's the first thing they do in the hospital uh when you go in with like that kind of because her throat had closed. Um, like fully, that's uh shitty. Um yeah, and so that's what they do in the hospital. They scared you to give it to you in a couple of things.
SPEAKER_08:My daughter's had had croop twice, and it was like one of the scariest things.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I I yeah. I I had a an interview for uh uh like a special spot at the at the old folks home. Um, and I talked about one of those because I'm a terrible interviewer for someone who talks his ass off. I am a terrible interviewer. Like I have no recall when it comes to like tell me about a time when you did something. Yeah, I have no ability to remember that.
SPEAKER_07:Vaccines are egg-based. It says that.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know what croup is. I wouldn't have to be able to get it.
SPEAKER_04:You'll know. You'll know. So croup is a kid thing, it's super normal, but it's like What year was it established? But it's like so uh just a normal cold or whatever. Kind of closes. And it's just because it gets inflamed and it closes. You'll hear it sounds almost like a seal or a dog bark when your kid coughs.
SPEAKER_08:And they can't breathe, and you can see like the like the intercostal muscles and the like the like so the first thing you're supposed to take kid out in the cold. Like ours happened when my daughter was uh it was like it was winter, so we took her out in the cold, which helped a bit. But then when we took the hospital, they have to give like a steroidal like uh inhalant and just hope they get it in the winter.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. So so like, yeah, my my youngest got it in the summer, and so it's like when that happens, it's like legitimate put your kid's head in the freezer, like weird shit like that. Like in the winter, like it's not abnormal. The the doctors were saying that like kids like wake up not breathing. Um, you they're like parents, oh crap, take your kid to the car, try like fly to the hospital, and then the walk, if it's in the winter, the walk from parking to the ER, their breathing gets like eight times better, and it's cold air. Scary because it's you just gotta reduce the swelling. But it's it was my my my scariest moment.
SPEAKER_05:Thank you for providing me with a new tool as a parent.
SPEAKER_04:You're welcome. Oh, I did, yeah. It was cold, cold air for sure. And you'll you'll hear it. Like, and it will it doesn't happen out of the blue generally. There's a cold. Yeah, it's a cold and it's that cough, and it, but it sounds yeah, it sounds like a like a seal's bark, and you're like, that's not normal. Yeah, it's it's croup, and it doesn't always lead to that. But when the spelling gets bad enough, yeah, the throat closes. And so I don't recommend it.
SPEAKER_08:I would and I don't think you should try your tracheotomy in that moment. Yeah, no, no, that would be the second time around for sure. Yeah, not that time.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, no, no. Okay, so you thought your daughter had croup? No, she or sorry, you thought she was having so had this, had eaten, went to bed. I think she had like baking for my mom or something, but my mom's like so good with allergies, but like, oh, there's no way there's egg in that, and she went to bed, and then like 30 minutes later, like we I hear this weird noise. She's not even coughing, but I'm like, that doesn't sound normal. And I'm a stress ball, like my favorite hobby is being a stressy dad. That's what I do, and so like um, yeah. So, like my my my ex-wife, like I was still in the house at the time, we were still married, and I was like, this is a not a normal thing, and and she was just like, just relax, like just chill. And I'm like, I don't know how about that. And like I went upstairs and opened the door, and she's like standing there at the edge of the bed, like turning blue, not like trying to like get a breath and wasn't doing it. I very calmly um yeah, held it together. Uh yeah, and we picked up over like um like she's not breathing. This is anaphylaxis, um, and gave her an epipen. Um and then breathing got a little bit better. Turns out it wasn't anaphylaxis, it's crew, but that's like the the first thing they do if you go with really bad crew, yeah. If you can't breathe at all, they'll they'll they'll give your kid an epi pen, but it's they they just need because epinephrine, that's what it does, is it's it's adrenaline, and so it sends blood flow to your extremities, which then reduces inflammation stuff. Um yeah, and so that that that's an epi pen.
SPEAKER_08:Why do we talk about this? I don't know, because you wanted to talk about a history of something like that.
SPEAKER_04:Change it to that. Hydrogen water to this. Can I ask you a different question? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, ask me anything. Um I would say everyone's cheese. In the last three, two years, okay, uh, you have become a lot more fit in the last two years? Pass, next question. Two years? Um uh possibly, I guess. I don't know. Um tell me. Okay. Like I I know you went through some like well, you don't have to get into like personal things or anything, but like I'll answer anything you want. Um I'm I'm just curious, like, what is it that you have done? Because it noticeably, like you are in very good shape right now and you've you've done a lot to get there. What was it that changed that in you to like kind of take that more seriously or do more for that?
SPEAKER_04:Um oh gosh. Uh like I well, a couple things, I think. I think like um like a goal in mind, like wanting to um get into you know uh a special spot where like fitness is required. So that's a big piece. Um running, like I've done a lot more running. I used to like say like I would like to be able to run if someone was chasing me. Um and then I've just done a lot, like a lot more of it over the last couple years. Um and a big part of that was like a mental health component. Yeah, it's it's really hard to um to like be in a really negative headspace about like life or whatever when you're suffering, yeah, intention, like intentional. Absolutely, like when you're grinding up a hill that seems to go on forever, yeah, and you're just like that that's kind of all you can think about. And I'm not saying that there's a lot of positive self-talk necessarily happening in that moment, but it's like that's all you're thinking about.
SPEAKER_08:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Um, so yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_08:Like I was just curious if there was like something specific that you that it was like, okay, I I want, I want to, I'm going to take a different approach to this. Because like I wasn't I'm not saying you were ever in bad shape, but like it was definitely noticeable in the last but it's completely noticeable in the last like I'd say a couple years, yeah, that you've definitely gotten in a lot better shape. And um I just was curious if there was like a intentional thing or if it was just like or like what was that like the habitual thing, or how'd you got how'd you get into that like consistency of of just doing it?
SPEAKER_04:Um yeah decisions a little bit of both. Like um to be honest, I don't want to make this weird. Um don't make it weird. Uh but you're actually one of the one of the reasons. Um because you turned 40 a couple years ago. Uh-huh. And uh I was like, you're just in incredible shape. Um but like I I had a I had like a thing in mind. I'm like, I would like to maybe be like, I would like to trying to peak physically after 40 is like almost physically, I won't say impossible, but like incredibly difficult. But I'm like, I would like to maybe be in the best shape of my life at 40. I feel like if I can do that, if I can hit my high water mark there and then just try and maintain, I can probably coast uh well into later. And I'm like, wow, then maybe that's not realistic. And then I I looked at a friend of mine, you guys might know him, uh John. I've heard of him. You heard of him? Yeah. Kind of a bitch. I well, I wasn't gonna say it, but um, but well, yeah, and like and I was like, well, well, well shit, like that maybe maybe there's there's some possibility. So that that was that was a big piece. Another uh for friend friend of mine from from uh where we all work also has been on here several times, uh my friend Jeff. Um never heard of him. He he's such a good guy. I love Jeff so much. Um I I can't even like jokingly say I just love I love that kind of pants. Um he uh uh he talked about like um well he he's a big uh proponent of fitness, yeah, but does it in like a really like cool and like supportive way, which is awesome, but also um pushes that like it was like taking breaks at work, is like, well, no one's gonna do it for you, right? So just do it, just make time for it. Um and then just getting better. And I'm and I I need to still get better. I need to.
SPEAKER_08:Um we go through phases, right? Like everything, everyone, everyone's gonna go through phases. You're gonna have some highs and some lows, and you gotta have some months where you feel like you did nothing, and some months where you're like, Yeah, I was consistent, I did, I did awesome. Um I I just yeah, it's interesting, like the like the 40 thing. I would I would agree that it's har I I don't am I in the best shape? There is different. Like I I think if I would look back to like my like when I was doing track in my 20s, like I think I was probably stronger. Like I know I was, I could squat a lot more or whatever. So like there's diff but there's different metrics, I think. And I would say that like from an overall health, I'm probably better almost now than I was in my 20s and 30s. Um, but I don't know if that's because it's more all-encompassing wellness, like like mentally, I'm like I'm doing more things than just hitting the gym, right? Like it's and and I don't know the answer to that, but it's weird because like, yeah, like like from a scientific standpoint, like I as from now till I die, I'm probably gonna get weaker, and uh I mean the they say that you should be losing you're losing muscle mass, you're gonna get like all these things, but I don't feel that way. Like I feel very much like it's a I'm still I have the ability to be better and I'm I'm planning on getting better in certain areas and pushing, right? Yeah, it's it's interesting.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I yeah, and I I think that that's um like what is it, like entropy, that's like energy leaving things, right? Yeah, like I that that's so like aging is inevitable, like you will deteriorate, whatever. But I I also think that you know going gently into the night isn't a good option either, right? So it's like do what I can to to fight against it, and that doesn't necessarily mean that when I turn 50 is a time to start looking for solutions. Um it's a lot easier to hop up that momentum and then coast.
SPEAKER_08:Completely um no coasting. Drive, just keep going.
SPEAKER_04:No, I mean like a co like trying to maintain, I guess, right? Completely after it. Um yeah, I I I don't know. Yeah, I think that that's that's probably the answer. Yeah. This is why I struggle with job interviews. People be like, tell me about this thing, and I'll be like, oh I don't know. I think you did good.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. You've you've done good a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_07:I didn't like the format of the answer, I feel could have been a little bit better. You know what? Situation star get fit. Yeah, there you go. The task is that. The task was get fit. Action was I got fit. You checking boxes.
SPEAKER_04:Action was I got fit. Past tense. Result? I'm fit. Fucking never.
SPEAKER_05:Perfect answer. Oh my gosh. He maintained consciousness during the entirety of the activity, which is more than some people at this table can say for their last time you passed out.
SPEAKER_04:Sorry, just like just passed out?
SPEAKER_08:Hey, when's the last time you've like just like fainted? You've actually passed out.
SPEAKER_04:Never.
SPEAKER_08:Uh Jason, when's the last time you've passed out?
SPEAKER_04:No, that's actually not true. Nope, nope. I did. I did pass out well, like medical emergencies. Okay. Passed out. Like like how like just like a time frame.
SPEAKER_08:Uh four years ago. Okay. Never. You've never passed out? No. Okay.
SPEAKER_05:I've never passed out. Okay. When did you uh yesterday?
SPEAKER_08:Uh Tuesday.
SPEAKER_05:What did you do? Uh oh.
SPEAKER_04:Was it in the middle of a physical thing? Okay. So I thought losing consciousness is a mental thing you should probably get looked at. So here's the story. You no, no, is it from the Switch? Yes. Oh no!
SPEAKER_08:So excited. Part of our part of the nursing home is right now my job is to help train new nursing home attendants. Uh part of that is exposing them. Yes. Unbelievable. No attendants. Oh, attendance. They're not nurses, they're nursing home attendants. Oh.
SPEAKER_07:Um just please get it a story. I'm so excited.
SPEAKER_08:Part of our job is to expose those people to different uh cultures that they may encounter in the process of working. Uh so one of the cultures is the indigenous culture, and a big part of that is uh a sweat lodge ceremony. Which uh I think it's awesome. Yeah, it's very interesting. Anyway, uh last year we did it with the people we were training, and it was uh super tolerable. It wasn't that hot. So the first time I did it before that was when we got hired uh uh 14 years ago.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:And you didn't pass out then. I was fine. And it was hot.
SPEAKER_08:It was hot. So I don't see here's the thing. Honestly, I don't remember how hot it was. I guess I'm assuming it was hot. I don't remember. Last year it was not that hot. It was not bad. I didn't even get it. So there's basically they run four rounds.
SPEAKER_07:Before you tell it, the day before the sweat, you were complaining because it Oh, it's it's not gonna be that hot.
SPEAKER_08:Because the one before we the one we did before, like five months prior, it was litch it was not like it was not hot.
SPEAKER_07:Okay.
SPEAKER_08:Okay. So we get so we get there, uh, and we we get all set up. That's uh they do this whole ceremony, they bring in uh the rocks. There's this little tent thing we get in, all the things. Uh they do their stories and they splash water on the rocks. So there's four rounds. So uh round one, uh it wasn't that bad. Round two, they brought in. Leave and then come back in? I you you can. You don't have to.
SPEAKER_07:So but did you leave?
SPEAKER_08:No. So between between rounds, they open the door. They open the door and you can like pop out if you want to get it and come back in.
SPEAKER_07:You and Tony didn't pop out though.
SPEAKER_08:I didn't. So between so round one was completely fine. Round two was a little warm. Because they bring in more rocks every time and they splash water them. Round three. Round three happens.
SPEAKER_01:Not even the fourth round.
SPEAKER_08:Dude, round three happens. And so first of all, I have been How is Jesus? I have been talking. I've always wondered. I may have been shit talking all the other cadets being like, hey, you need to suck it up. Yeah. And and I don't want anyone bailing on this. Because like they're saying they say, like, hey, if you're struggling, you have to get out, just call for the door, and you can leave during during a round, right? And I'm like, no one's doing this. No one is gonna do that. You cannot do that. You will pass out before you do that.
SPEAKER_07:No, so I'm happy you did.
SPEAKER_08:So what happened was this round would not end. First of all, it was it was hotter than like I would think it was it was twice as hot as last time we did it. Oh god. I was dying in my head. So I started trying to go pause. I was trying to go positive talk in my head. I'm like, okay, no, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm gonna feel everything's good. Everything's just it's just hot. It's okay. And then it turned into, I need to get out of here. This I when is this going to end? I have to leave. Also, I had to pee really bad. And I'm like, I have to get out of this thing. And it just seemed like it would never, it would it would it's like just when I'm like I'm and I'm like waiting, because they basically after the rounds done, they do their singing and do their thing. The rounds done, they say door, and then the guy opens door, and like this guy, so he sings this song, and I'm waiting for the door. They don't say it, they splash more water on the rocks. I'm already dying of I'm dying. And I had to pee so bad. And so then he they splash water and he starts talking again, telling a story. And I'm like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_07:So you thought the finish was coming multiple times, and I need and I needed it to come.
SPEAKER_08:Like I was like, this has to happen. And I'm like, I'm like, I cannot be, I cannot be the one to be like, I have to get out of here. So I so I'm like panicking a little bit because I'm dying of heat and I had to pee so bad. And uh so finally JP, did you pass out Andrew? No, no, no, no, just wait, just wait. So finally, oh no. Finally, the guy so he sings a song, he sings a song, I'm like, this has to be it. Like it felt like it was three hours long. This has to be the I'm going to freak out here shortly. Like I was on the edge. Finally, uh he sings a song, and I'm like, This is it, doesn't say door, all of a sudden more water on the rocks. I'm like, oh my god. But the second they threw water, the guy said, Okay, open door. And and so like the what they say is say the word for door, and they I can't remember the word, it's uh not in our language, say the word for door, and then and so like normally like everyone's like okay, and they say it. I'm like, I just think out loud as soon as like he's like, say the word, I was like, and I said it out really loud, really fast. They open the door, I sprint out of there. I get up, I run out, I go to the port-a-ponty. Okay, I'm standing in the port-aponnie. There's the ones with like the little urinals in the corner. Yeah, so I get in there and I'm in like short shorts, no shirt, uh flip-flops. Hell yeah, dude. And I'm I'm standing there and I'm starting to start taking a pee. I'm like, oh, that's amazing. But immediately I'm like, uh, I feel lightheaded. Uh-oh. That is the last thing I remember. No, that is the last thing I remember. I all of a sudden, I'm all of a sudden dreaming. Like I'm literally, I'm literally like, I'm I I don't know what's going on. I can think I'm starting, I'm like, it's almost like I'm awaking up from a dream and I'm trying to figure out like I have no clue. I'm like, what is going on? And I'm like, where am I? And then it kind of takes me a second, and I'm like, I realize I had fallen, I had fallen backwards onto where the toilet part is. Luckily it was closed. Oh, thank goodness. I fell backwards. And my head was kind of like all messed up in the corner of the thing. And I'm looking up at the top of the ceiling, and I'm like, oh I just passed out. I just passed out. So I get up. Also, no one saw this. No, I was inside with the door locked. Why are you telling anybody? So to become seemed yourself. Because I come out. So at first of all, I sit, I'm like, uh my shorts are down, a ding's out. And I'm like, okay, so I I pull up my pants. Pull myself together here. I step out of the of the porta potty, and so one of the cadets has seen me go in, and then all of a sudden, apparently it happened quick because it seemed like forever for me. All of a sudden, she hears that bang, and the bottom of the door kind of like wedges out a little bit because my feet had gone like smacked into the front, and I landed backwards. And she's like, what just happened? Is he okay? And then all of a sudden I come out like apparently, like three seconds later. I I felt like it was a lot longer. And she looks at me, she's like, Are you okay? Because apparently I was just pale light. And she's like, You need and I was like, I think it just passed out again for round four. Hell yeah, dude. Well done.
SPEAKER_05:Good for you. You definitely pissed on yourself. I don't think I did for sure. I don't think I did.
SPEAKER_04:Those little those little those little urinals are like uh like a one-way ticket to a little bit of foot pee at the best of times, let alone I have no idea.
SPEAKER_08:Oh yeah, you didn't. Dude, it was the weirdest thing. You're so covered in sweat. Like the time between that thing, I was terrible. I was literally, I was dripping sweat. Like it was so hot. Um, but like the time between me thinking hot yoga, I couldn't. I don't feel awesome to like I was waking up. Like there was no like space there. And what got me thinking? Like, I could know what dying is like. That's exactly what I was thinking. Oh shit. Like, I if I had died there, it would have been fine. Like, I mean, I mean, like if I had never woken up, like it would have sucks for the rest of my side.
SPEAKER_07:I wouldn't be happy about it.
SPEAKER_08:Sure, I could be sad for my family and people I like.
SPEAKER_07:No, no, but you didn't leave before the round was over, too. So you're dying like a man. Completely. Like a man, totally worth it.
SPEAKER_08:But like it was honor in the butt like that was my thought. It was like, if like you just like faint, because like your whatever happens, like your heart's like and you faint, and you never recover, like that wasn't that bad. Like you would never, you know what I mean? Like, there's no pain. That'd be a good way to go. As far as you're aware, yeah. That'd be a good way to go. Yeah, and you would have been it would have been uh and then that would be stuck in the urine. Yeah, exactly. Oh, it's that work thing, hell yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Yep.
SPEAKER_08:But the worst part, I would have been stuck in the urinal when they found me, I'd just be sitting there with my dink out and laying on the back of the house.
SPEAKER_07:Sorry, was your dink out when you came out of the outhouse? No, first. No, I put everything away. Oh, the way you told the story, I was like, you just kind of stumbled out like still waking up.
SPEAKER_04:I think he was still waking up. He did describe put putting his pen away. Yeah, I did. I did. Um that is the uh that is an interesting sort of thing as you immediately started dreaming. Both the times I passed out, I didn't like like fall asleep. Yeah, it's just like my my my shit just gave up on me. And I just kind of went down, and I'm like, I'm still kind of with it, but like super dizzy. But I I wasn't like asleep.
SPEAKER_08:Well, the last time, the last time, the time before that that I passed out. Uh it was the same, it was the same thing. It was like I I like started coming to, and it was like the weirdest feeling. Like, did you get choked out at that time? No. Okay. Uh sorry.
SPEAKER_04:Because if you've been passing out lots, like no, this is like this is like five years.
SPEAKER_08:Five years when this is this is other reasons. Uh self-induced. Yeah. And I but like just like the whole idea of like the the weird feeling of like coming to and not knowing the last time I stabbed myself in the leg was actually can I ask another question? What time is it?
SPEAKER_07:That's a little close to the all right. Okay, okay. I have all the time. Another question.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, go ahead. When was the last time you almost shit yourself?
SPEAKER_07:Almost or like did?
SPEAKER_08:Well, like you were just doing almost. It was going to happen.
SPEAKER_04:So you had to take you had to take action. Oh, dude. So you're aware I've got Crohn's, right? Like my body gives me a timer at times, and it's like, we're going poop in the next minute. Get on board, motherfucker. So do you like have you like had to poop on the side of the road? Uh oh yeah, but like not out of like a oh no, I'm gonna poop. Like, I'm generally I generally have that more more sorted out.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, uh that's what I'm talking about. Like, it's like a panic, like this is happening no matter where we are. And if this is like this when was the last time?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I've done a lot of public poops, but it's always like I generally like find a store, find a place, and it's like I need to use your bathroom. And sometimes they know sometimes they tell you no, and it's like, no, listen. This is happening, listen up. Like, you're gonna have a problem if I don't use your bathroom. Um yeah, dude. Yeah, um, but I don't know the last time. Okay, like I would say within the last 18 months for sure. For sure, probably within the last six, Jason. Pretty comfortable.
SPEAKER_07:Three almost, and not not pooping myself.
SPEAKER_08:Uh like my my point is like if it have I pooped myself yes or no?
SPEAKER_07:Is that the case?
SPEAKER_08:Uh I'm not because you were like if it if it it you would no matter where you were, it's like it has happening now.
SPEAKER_07:It's happening right now. Three years ago for sure that the time. Okay, about three years.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, don't lie to us, CJ. You've been there. Never? Oh, I know your body's just too good to you. Does it not give you like so like even like walking? Maybe it's giving you like a big timer.
SPEAKER_05:Like, I've I've had like uh, hey, like the speed limit's now like a functional like construct. You've had a flexible, like we can just play with this. Absolutely. What is time?
SPEAKER_07:But have you had like where you like you can't walk, you just gotta stand there and clench and then get a couple steps and then stand there and clench.
SPEAKER_04:That's what I'm talking about. Oh no, no, and see, and like when I when I have those, it's like it's it's not like it's the clenching isn't an option, dude. It's like no, it's like you can clench all you want. It's like it's happening like yeah by the power of Thor.
SPEAKER_07:Like I was able to build the wall with the clenching the majority of the time. I got it.
SPEAKER_08:But like the clenching, but but the point is the clenching is good, it works for like a period to a certain point, but then it's like it no longer's gonna work. Yeah, your body just decides just as an assessment.
SPEAKER_07:Or sometimes it goes away after that, but then it like comes back with reinforcement.
SPEAKER_04:It's death revenge, and then yeah. Are we really dedicating a bunch of this time to time a point? Well, I'm just surprised. I have a story here. Oh, hell yeah. Okay, good. Here's the thing has it.
SPEAKER_05:I haven't. I don't know. I haven't. There was a point when I was a brand new nursing home attendant, still being guided by a senior nursing home attendant that that senior nursing home attendant, we were leaving the nursing home driving south on a road, uh, nearly leaving the downtown core, when that senior nursing attendant then also had this type of emergency and used the nursing home signals to make a U-turn and drive rapidly back to the nursing home to deal with that issue. Yeah, it makes sense. It is an emergency.
SPEAKER_02:That is fine. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So my story.
SPEAKER_08:I don't know how to call it. It was round four. It was round four of the sweat.
SPEAKER_02:Round four.
SPEAKER_08:Let me bring you to round four. So round four sweat. Finish it. Yeah, no. Uh a couple weeks ago, I went for a run. Uh I was doing it.
SPEAKER_04:They give you the scoots.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, so it was about an 8k run. I'm about kilometer four, and I start like my stomach starts getting a little wrongly.
SPEAKER_04:It's talking to you. Yeah, and I'm like, you know what?
SPEAKER_08:I'm I'm just on gravel roads, uh kind of near my house. I'm like, okay, I I'm like, I'm okay right now. Keep going. Gets to the point where like now when I'm getting the rumbles, I gotta like stop running and like walk. Oh. Because I'm like, okay, it's like it's not so good. And I start thinking maybe I should just call my wife to come pick me up. I'm like, no, that's stupid. I'm like 3k from home. It's not that big a deal. I'll get there. Uh keep so it's like I walk while the like it's hurting, it goes away, good to go. Let's run. Run some more. So I get to like within a kilometer and a half from my house. And it gets it's now at the point where it's happening. When it hurts, I have to stop. Yeah, I'm stopping and I'm clenching and like those. Oh, I'm looking around, like, where is where okay, I'm okay. I'm good. So I get so I'm like, hey, we gotta get some my we gotta get some cleaning. Let's go, let's go, let's go. I gotta get some some dirt. I don't know what I'm trying to say. I gotta get moving. Yeah. Well, I can, and I'm like, I can get home. I can get home, I can get there, I can get there. Well, like it finally got to the point where I was like, I stop, I'm clenching, I'm like, this is happening. I can't stop this from happening anymore. I look around, there's nobody I can see you down the gravel roads. I run across into the ditch, I whip them down, and I just soul leaves your body, your guts. I'm like deep squatting this, and I'm in like some deep grass. And so then I like in this like squat position, I like waddle forward a little bit because I don't want to like fall backwards or anything. Yeah, so I waddle forward a little bit and like try to like how much of a mess do I have to deal with here? I don't know if you're gonna be able to do it. I don't I don't know what to do. It's like is there grass I can grab? And I and I I'm looking around, making hoping nobody comes down the dirt roads while I'm sitting here with my white ass hanging out the back. And finally, I was like, I was like probably about a kilometer from home. Is that a child shitting? Yeah, probably that's what they would think. So I decide I'm like, I don't know what I can't there's nothing to do here. So I'm like, whatever. Pants up, I'm like, and I just like do a slow walk. Oh no.
SPEAKER_04:Slow walk home straight upstairs to the shower. I would have I would have garbaged the sock. What is the strangest thing? That's a good point. What's what do you think of the sock? Oh man, what's the strangest thing you've ever wiped your butt with? Nothing. On several occasions I've wiped my butt with an American one dollar bill. What? Yeah. Really? When in you when in Europe and you're sitting in a toilet and there's no and there's no toilet paper, your choices are receipts which have a which have a hand, never an option. Never an option. Don't some cultures do that all the time. And then we discovered running water and soap. So you just finger painted it. Hell no. So it's like uh you you have like a receipt, but they're all that kind of like waxy. Yeah, yeah. This is gonna work. And random fact popped into mine, old noodle, where it's like, hey, uh American bills are made of cotton. I'm like, that's that's gonna be soft. So I did that. I'm like, well, I'll never have to do that again. I'm pretty sure that's like a major crime. And then I, yeah, like a week later, it was in the I was in the same predicament. And it's like, I'm telling it's better than nothing. But you made the decision so much faster the second time. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_08:Because I'm like, I know you've been there before. You know it works. Uh I thought this was gonna happen to me uh during that uh lost soul we did. I was like, I was that's why I was my major concern about that race was like, I'm gonna have to poop somewhere on the trail. Never happened, I felt fine the whole time. Uh but then just one stupid uh training run. That's wild, dude. Yeah, now I gotta bring those wipes with me everywhere.
SPEAKER_05:I think the best part of this story is I think you've told it two podcasts in a row.
SPEAKER_08:I didn't tell it last time. You didn't?
SPEAKER_05:Dude, we haven't had a podcast for forever.
SPEAKER_07:No, he didn't because I think he pooped he pooped himself after this podcast last podcast.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, where did you?
SPEAKER_08:I probably told you it like that work, but okay.
SPEAKER_05:I I get your poop stories confused. I love that.
SPEAKER_04:I love that so much. It was bad. The thing is, though, is like I I equate that feeling as like a similar feeling to when like you wake up and you know you're gonna puke, but it's you you're like negotiating with yourself. Oh I oh it's the worst, man. Because you're like, uh no, I'm not gonna no, I've got this. No, I'm okay. No, I'm fine. And then you stand up and you're like, I'm gonna walk to the toilet. No, I'm not, no, I'm good. It's that sort of like in between where it's coming. Like it, this is happening. And when you're still trying to convince yourself it's not?
SPEAKER_05:That was my last that was last weekend for me. Oh, bro. And it's seriously, you're like deep down inside, you know you're gonna puke. Oh, yeah. But in your brain, you're like, No, I'm good. I am the master of my own body.
SPEAKER_04:And your stomach's like, sit down. Yeah, yeah, it's it's horrible. Yeah. Have you ever been so sick that you're doing it both ends at the same time? Yeah, that's hell. Yeah. Oh, it's no fun. What what did you pick? What did I don't think it's a pay? I don't think it's a chance. Oh, yeah. Well, because it's like things are coming out the bottom. What do you do with the top? I've known someone who did the wide leg and trying and trying to.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, no, no, no. I was conveniently co-located with a bathtub. Oh, but could you reach the bathtub? Yeah. I'm tall.
SPEAKER_04:That was a good move. Yeah, me, me too, listeners. Me too. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_07:Both at the same time? Like shitting and puking at the same time? I just jumped in the shower.
SPEAKER_05:While you were doing that?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, because I had to throw up and I had to puke and I and I couldn't decide what was coming first.
SPEAKER_05:Did you turn the water on?
SPEAKER_07:Wait, it's like fuck, yeah. I just bought it. I went, I jumped in the shower, I took like the loofah and all that stuff, I tossed it out, and I just turned the water on and I just you shit and puke in the shower while you're standing in it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I like that approach. I do, but I feel like that would be like I was happy with mine. I found the garbage can. Yeah. Coming first.
SPEAKER_07:So it was like, I don't know what happened. Like, like who's who's gonna fucking like the starting gun's happening? Who's gonna get off the line first? I had no idea.
SPEAKER_04:And I've I've gotten in the shower, like after that, I immediately got in the shower because I'm like, I need to watch this show.
SPEAKER_07:Guess what? Guess what, Tim? I was already in there.
SPEAKER_04:You were already in there. No, and that's convenient.
SPEAKER_05:Like, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_07:It was uh I had it smelled like bleach after because I spent the whole day.
SPEAKER_05:You know you're sick though when your body's like out. All of it. Yeah, that's crazy. We'll get all of it.
SPEAKER_04:Just get it gone. If we had other holes to get out of where we would have to go. Oh, dude. Well, it doesn't, and I'm not a good puker, man. Like, there are some people in the middle of the phone.
SPEAKER_07:Oh man, when you're when you're young, our kids like the the way they puke, it's just like, hey, how you doing? Oh, I'm gonna puke and then puke, and then they're done.
SPEAKER_04:And it sounds almost like a like, what's a reverse yawn? Like, I don't know, like it's just, but man, it starts in my toes. Um, it's like Colby Calais bubbly. You fight it? It comes up, it starts on my nose and it starts in my toes and comes out my nose. Like it's like I am like popping blood vessels. My neighbors are aware. I still fight it to the bitter end every time.
SPEAKER_07:You know, like, oh, if I puke, I'll be better. I still feel like you're like arching your back, like it's just like what is that point? You think you're gonna die? Like three quarters of the way through, you're like, I'm not getting oxygen.
SPEAKER_04:So and that's the worst. That's so that's what finally convinced me that I'm like, I need to stop, like something's wrong with my body. Was I would have that, like that kind of puking for hours, hours after having more than two drinks. So, like my most recent one, this is years ago now. I think three years ago, I was in Canmore for like my grandma's like year after funeral celebration. I don't know what you would call that. Uh Death Aversary. Death Wow, that's an interesting. I that would be we do a death, yeah. Death Aversary. We would call it death adversary. Yep. I just wish it was a different name. I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. That's what we call it. That's it's it's a good it's a yeah, that's absolutely correct. Um, but we we we would uh just ignore that. Anyway, sorry. Oh my god. Continue. Speaking of death adversary, okay interesting.
SPEAKER_07:He hasn't lived much of his life.
SPEAKER_04:Right. I can see that. Uh I'm so uncomfortable. Um so drove to Canmore, had a beer with my buddy in Calgary for lunch on the way, had I think two drinks over the like five hours and dinner that we were there, drove home the two plus hours to where we live presently. Uh so obviously it was that level of sober. Got home at around midnight. I woke up at like 2 30 in the morning and was sick, like violently puking, puking up water, like dry heaving, like I was trying to up chuck my my colon uh for probably like an hour, an hour and a bit. And I was like, what is like this is never worth it? And then it turns out that yeah, like one of the medications I'm on is like really, really hard on your liver, and you should not drink, period.
SPEAKER_00:And I was like, oh good to know.
SPEAKER_04:Got it. This is scientifically proven.
SPEAKER_07:Love a body solution to that.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_07:And it's because it's it's so late. Logically, that makes sense. Just get rid of it.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, but and your your liver's just puking up so much bile, it's just like I will make you vomit. And it it did.
SPEAKER_05:I can't remember your stomach bile comes from, or is that your gallbladder?
SPEAKER_04:Uh pass. I need to know that one. Sorry, your stomach bile comes from?
SPEAKER_05:Like, you know when you're puking and you're like, you know you've gotten to the bottom because it's like green yellow. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That's that's your gallbladder. Oh, okay. I said that with a lot of confidence, but uh, your liver is not. That's what we do here, just in case you don't know this. 100%. 100%. I have never been more sure about anything in my life, CJ. Thank you. That's how we do it. Yeah, without a doubt. Then we don't question it and you just move on. No, but then Grok checks it, and then we come back and be like, yeah, I might have been a little wrong on that.
SPEAKER_03:But you know what? Hey, I want to give you some.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, thank you, JB. Thank you. I like that. People throw a lot of shade your way. And like, you come in so hard. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. But you are also the same person who, like, after that will be like, hey, well, what interesting. Well, but maybe, maybe I wasn't. So the critique being maybe you come in a bit strong, yeah, but when you get new information, yeah, you change your perspective. And that's what we ask the world to do. He deserves every bit of the shitty. Sure, but like sunshine and rainbows. You guys can start your own podcast. Let's Ted Lasso this bitch say like if we did that, I wouldn't get to talk.
SPEAKER_07:No, because he knows everything.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god. But he doesn't know where bio comes from. I feel like I feel like we like we because we you we rode in the same care vehicle for a while. I feel like we we talked like at each other at a pretty good pace.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like you can keep up with my talking. I can keep up sometimes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Oh I think grok couldn't keep up with your that's probably grok would quit.
SPEAKER_05:Do you guys want to just split this podcast down the middle? Like Jason and Hall just like do we have to do that?
SPEAKER_07:You could just check it on our side and we'll be talking about the dumbest stuff.
SPEAKER_08:Uh, do you have any Anything that you wrote down over the last four weeks we haven't podcasted that you want to talk about that?
SPEAKER_07:I have a question, but it's a silly goose question, which we could finish on, but not.
SPEAKER_05:I don't like the way you said question. Um do you have a little bit of cauliflower on your right ear? Yeah, he's cauliflowered out.
SPEAKER_04:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_08:Oh no.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know if you notice he's he's a he's a tough. That's jujitsu. Do you want to get that drained? You should probably know it's way too late for that. Why did you leave it?
SPEAKER_05:I just he likes the look of it.
SPEAKER_07:I like the look of it.
SPEAKER_05:It looks fucking cool, bro.
SPEAKER_07:Is that why you have like one headphone on and the other one? Did you do that to yourself? Did you just like sit there and just fucking rub it one day?
SPEAKER_05:I've actually had my wife drain it more than once. Oh, and it's still there.
SPEAKER_04:No, the experience of her putting a new in my hair is way worse than just looking weird. And but but draining that stuff apparently hurts like a mother's. It does. So yeah, that's true. That's what he just said. Yeah. No, but that's why it's like, I don't think it's the neat experience. I think it's like getting called. Oh, that is what you said. I agree. There you go. I don't think I did that a really weird way. Yeah, it was I thought you were talking about like a phobia of needles.
SPEAKER_08:He just said the needle in my ear hurt really bad. And you're like, well, apparently draining that stuff really, really hurts.
SPEAKER_04:No, that's what he just said. I know. I didn't do a great job of listening. I want to apologize to you for that. But it was like you know, part of part of communicating is listening, Kevin. I thought you were speaking. Hey, JP, can you shut the fuck up for a second? I'm trying to have an apology. I thought you were speaking about a phobia of needles. No, it fucking am a phobia of pain. And my issue was I listened to respond, not to understand. And I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. Uh he's needling- Now you can talk. He's needling himself all the time now.
SPEAKER_05:I stick why stick one needle to one to two needles in myself every day. Subcutaneously, though. Yeah. They aren't that bad. It's actually to the point where it's just like, yeah. You don't even care.
SPEAKER_04:I do one a month.
SPEAKER_05:It's not so bad.
SPEAKER_04:Once a month. Hey, what's your test daddy, bro? Okay. I actually don't know. I need to have it. I'm interested in getting it tested. How old are you? 34. Yeah, you should get honestly, you should get a good baseline. I get so much blood work done. I just assume that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_07:That's a good point, though. Just like for a baseline. Yeah. Oh no, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:I wish I would have. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Because it's like I get a lot of blood work, so I assume they would just check, but they don't. They don't ever.
SPEAKER_08:This is why next rec uh requisition you get, just mark it off. Mark it off yourself. Yeah, I don't, but you can't. Because you don't get into the place. Do you know how many letters are on those blood racks? That's pretty easy. Bottom left corner, I'm pretty sure. And it's just that one's easy.
SPEAKER_07:There's like two of them. Sure.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:I'll try anything. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Check your own boxes. Yeah, check your own boxes, bro. They're gonna upload it to your My Health link app so. You're not paying?
SPEAKER_04:I also know how to access that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I haven't figured it out, bro.
SPEAKER_05:Who somebody said you had a question?
SPEAKER_04:No, I said, do you have any questions?
SPEAKER_05:Oh, because we haven't podcasted in ages. No, I haven't written anything down. Perfect.
SPEAKER_07:No, we had a conversation the other day, but it but it all goes off of have you seen the movie Face Off? No. Okay, well, then we don't have a question. Anyway. That was good. Thank you. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_08:Was that where they trade faces? Hey, so they take their face off. Oh shit.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, well, anyway, so you're you're caster Troy. So that you're you're kind of a morally kind of corrupt.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, hope back. Sean Travolta.
SPEAKER_07:Oh yeah, he doesn't know. Mel Gibson.
SPEAKER_08:No.
SPEAKER_04:Damn it. You watched it. Have you not seen it? Who hasn't seen Face Off? I haven't. I'm sorry. I was trying to get on board with you guys. A good movie, Alaric.
SPEAKER_08:Nicholas Cage and John Travolta. One's a bad guy, one's a police officer. Who's the police officer? John Tage. I'm trying to remember because they switched.
SPEAKER_07:John Travolta's a police officer. Like the character is John.
SPEAKER_08:Is he the good guy or the bad guy? He's a good guy. Okay. And then they then they they arrest the bad guy, but then they switch faces. They put the bad guy's face, Nicholas Cage's face, on John Travolta. Because of course it would just work on it. Because they have the same body. Yeah, 100%. Obviously.
SPEAKER_07:Don't worry about the body stuff that did they didn't address it. It's fine.
SPEAKER_08:It's fine. But because if you just put the face on the person, everyone knows who you are. So they took his face, they put it on his face, and now the cop becomes undercover with literally the guy's face on him, and there's no scars. Oh obviously.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, so John Travolta is now wearing Nicolas Cage's face. Yes. Is Nicolas Cage wearing John Travolta's face?
SPEAKER_08:Uh he had no face, and he was sitting in like a medical in like a hospital. He basically had a skinless face sitting in a hospital.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, so John Travolta, Nicolas Cage over top. That's reporting.
SPEAKER_07:But then he goes and takes over. Not over top. They took it off. Yeah, yeah. It's very important. They took his face off and put his face.
SPEAKER_08:John Travolta's face is sitting on a mannequin somewhere in storage.
SPEAKER_07:For some reason, they put it beside Nicolas Cage's pastel body, which makes it.
SPEAKER_05:Just in case they don't forget who you were.
SPEAKER_07:Guess who woke up?
SPEAKER_05:Nicolas Cage. And then he puts his face on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And then injected himself with like lifo and made himself John Cayley. Well no, but they don't address the body thing. It kind of pissed me off.
SPEAKER_08:But anyway, what's the question about the I feel like I don't even need to see this movie? It's actually a pretty good thing.
SPEAKER_07:You really don't need to see this movie.
SPEAKER_04:Also, based on how you described it, I don't want to. Like I'm just doing me on it.
SPEAKER_07:You can't think about the science. I don't like scary stuff. You do. At the start of the movie, Nicolas Cage is he's a hitman. He's a hitman for hire. So he's morally corrupt. Oh, yeah, that's what it goes. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the actual like back end of the movie. Oh god. It only has to do with the first minute.
SPEAKER_08:I forgot about that.
SPEAKER_07:Um he's he's he's down, he got a contract to kill somebody, doesn't know who, goes goes to kill him and finds out it's John Travolta's son. So he's down down the scope at a playground looking at John Travolta and his son, and his job is to kill the son. Uh, is this after they switched faces? Let's say 10. No, no, this is before. This is the start of the movie, right? And because this sets up like he, I think he does, I can't remember. He does kill him, right? And then anyway. Um spoiler alert. But what amount of money would it be for you as a morally corrupt person, not your life now, but like a morally corrupt person hit man to give that trigger a pull.
SPEAKER_04:So are you saying, so just to clarify, you're asking CJ, like what how much money for him to kill a child?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, exactly. Because there, because to be we're talking about dance around and say the trigger pull. You're talking about like young people actually gave numbers, and I'm like, there's no amount of money.
SPEAKER_05:When you say morally corrupt, how like how morally corrupt? Well, like me? You are kind of like me.
SPEAKER_07:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, zero dollars. Absolutely no amount of money. Oh, you do it for free. Oh my gosh. Oh, no, it's so dark. That's not yeah, that's what let it let it be known. I'll give him a BOGO. It's all good. That's so people gave you numbers. Numbers. I think there's a zero percent chance. Some people said numbers. The way he's looking at you. I don't know what he's talking about.
SPEAKER_08:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:You said a hypothetical.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, all I was saying was a billion dollars.
SPEAKER_07:No, I like I see that we got we got there. We kept on going up, we kept on going up and up and up, and I'm like, because it comes into better.
SPEAKER_08:But here's what I'm saying: you're a hitman.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's your job. You're a hit, that is your job to kill people. Yeah, but you still I'm still me. But I now maybe I'm the obviously who has my corrupted moral compass, sure, but I'm still me.
SPEAKER_05:For example, have you seen the movie Hitman?
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:Uh I both played video games. Yeah, he wouldn't do it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there are tons of morally corrupted people that just like I draw the line at women and children, and it seems arbitrary, but they draw a line. I would distinctly draw the line at children. Distinct.
SPEAKER_07:I think women are probably up five, but like children, 100%.
SPEAKER_04:It depends, right? I I honestly, like, where I struggle with that is because children are are innately innocent. A billion dollars. Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_08:What if you're from the future because there's no and that childhood is Hitler?
SPEAKER_07:What if the children is off being held? No, what if the child causes in his future will cause thousands of people to die?
SPEAKER_05:What if that child in his no, hold on, let me paint this better. You can see all of time. Okay. You're just privy to what happens. Um near future is going to trip and hit the launch button for all of the news.
SPEAKER_04:So by the very nature of the point. Oh, he's not even evil.
SPEAKER_05:So by the very nature of the point, you can't go stop him from tripping. Yeah, there's no ability to stop him tripping. So you're here now.
SPEAKER_04:Do I have any ability to but because okay, so no, how muddy are we making this launch?
SPEAKER_05:No, the only thing you you appear as a single you you appear at a single blink in time with the ability to just be like and just push the off button.
SPEAKER_04:And save countless. I'm not gonna fall for this trap. This is a sound bite to get Tim to say he would do that thing.
SPEAKER_05:This is actually the trolley dilemma, is what this is. It is the trolley. I hate it.
SPEAKER_04:Well, you see, okay, so the the train thing?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, the trolley off the track, so you pull the sound.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, okay. So the problem, so ultimately we have we're not talking about space-time because the very fact that I'm going back in time, I'm now impacting this timeline. No, no. So that's not damn it, Kate. That was my that was my out. That was your out? That was my out. Okay, so we can't do that. Like either you pull the trigger or you're not.
SPEAKER_05:Right. That's your only option.
SPEAKER_07:And is it a guarantee that this is how many people instead of the money thing, you either pull the trigger or you don't?
SPEAKER_08:That is the question.
SPEAKER_07:So if this if this kid in this future ends up doing hit this button and kills two people. So this by killing this kid, you're gonna save two people's lives in the future. No, that wouldn't be. Yeah, exactly. And you just build the number up. So if this kid is gonna kill a hundred people in the future, would that be the number?
SPEAKER_04:No, see, I see that. What's your what's your personality? I'm not gonna do that. But based on like what you said, is like we're talking about like maximum. Global apocalypse. Yeah, then yes, I would I would do that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:So you shoot a child.
SPEAKER_04:What about what about just like what to prevent a global apocalypse? Because where this comes into is y'all's torture thing. I was listening in reverse order for a while, and you were like, where's your torture line? And I'm like, Jesus, I I I have no idea. You guys you guys were talking with Tanner about like sitting there and being tortured. Which brought me on to like the waterboarding thing that you were talking about. I am convinced that waterboarding shouldn't work. Why don't you just hold your breath? I know it does. You can't hold your breath for that. I know, but the thing is, you hold your breath for Tim. But immediately people are just like, all of a sudden, they're drowning and they're coughing. But I'm like, why don't you just I can hold my breath for longer than five seconds.
SPEAKER_07:This morning, when I has anybody like been waterboarded? Yes, but not like legitimately, but done that and you put the cloud on your face in it.
SPEAKER_04:That's where I'm a key. It's funny you ask.
SPEAKER_08:No, it's funny you ask, but because after this. Oh, you guys are gonna beat the shot at me and waterboard me.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah, yeah. You're not supposed to tell. Oh shoot. But then now I'm a willing participant.
SPEAKER_07:I watched somebody who had done it and they said it and it was Tim Kennedy who was interviewing him or whatever. Yeah, and he's like, it's not real. Yeah, we can't. Because you know that you're gonna get out of it.
SPEAKER_04:But but but the but the piece about it, like apparently is the physiological like it like stuff happens, is that your body is convinced you're drowning. And so, like, uh knowing that you're not going to do that for death, like I'm not speaking as a form of torture, but it's that physiological bit that confuses me. I'm like, just because a cloth is over my mouth and nose, you're pouring water. No, because you why do I Because you feel like you're drowning. But that's the thing, is why don't I just hold my breath? You can't hold your breath! And I'm acutely aware. Like, I I know that it works. You make no sense what you're saying. It's confusing that it happened so quickly.
SPEAKER_07:Well, why did he just not pass out?
SPEAKER_04:Because I can just no, but like what I mean is like if I swim underneath the water, yes, like I I would drown, right? But I hold my breath so I don't. Dude. People are holding you down. No, I know. I'm not trying to insinuate for a for a second that like I could I could overcome waterboarding. It's just the physiological thing. That's what you were saying. No, no, I'm I just hold my breath, bro. It's just like that bit confuses me, but because of that, because I I have I I haven't done it. I'm not that smart to understand it. I am trying to deflect from the fact that you asked me about shooting a child.
SPEAKER_07:I'm absolutely to save humanity, you would do it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. What if it was half of humanity?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, what about just like eight?
SPEAKER_08:Ah, would you Thanos the world? No. Why? That's a crisp snap.
SPEAKER_04:Well, because that's think about it. Would I Thanos the world? If you Thanos, so I think Thanos is kind of a good guy. No, but so this is what's interesting about Thanos as a villain, is because he is he is correct.
SPEAKER_07:In his mind, he's very good.
SPEAKER_04:No, not even in his mind. He's just correct. Yes, but he goes about it in an insane manner. Because no one, if like if you're trying to convince me that half of the world, you don't get to pick half of the world, and you'd say you do it. If if it if I knew what Thanos knew, that if I don't do this, so you'd be willing to roll a dice and kill like a 50% chance that your family's gonna die. I'm just saying, if you're that convicted, no, no, no, yes, no, I guess yes. That's fucked up. I know it is. That's fucked up.
SPEAKER_07:What would happen if Thanos? I can't I can't remember what would happen if Thanos didn't snap.
SPEAKER_04:So he watched what happened to his homeworld, which was Titan, and it was population grew, they used up all the resources, and they just decimated their planet. Everybody died. Yeah, and so he's looking at the entire universe and is saying this is happening everywhere. And he's not wrong. So then you should do it. Overpopulation is a problem.
SPEAKER_08:It's not actually but continue.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but it's but that that's the thing. It's like we it kind of is. But it's but it's like we are we are we are growing at a rate. Actually, we're slowing down our growth rate.
SPEAKER_07:But anyway, like is you would snap.
SPEAKER_03:You psychopath. So the idea is the entire universe, yeah, half of the life in the universe.
SPEAKER_04:You don't get to pick. They go with that. You also could be that number.
SPEAKER_08:You snap, and half of the universe all of the generations for thousands and thousands of years. You're a hero. Absolutely not. You're a hero.
SPEAKER_04:You are both fucked. I'm gonna like empirically.
SPEAKER_07:Are the Avengers like the bad guys?
SPEAKER_04:They might be because they are they just trying to like keep it going because it's fucking like I'm getting wound up right now.
SPEAKER_08:I should like to be the bad guys rolling. Because that's my bad guy. So because Thanos like he basically does his thing, he saves the world, and then he goes off into he goes off into live in a planet, and then they literally hunt the dude down while he's gardening and cut his head off. No, he's not waiting. He was guard, he was literally gardening.
SPEAKER_04:He's sitting in his house with the world.
SPEAKER_08:He was peacefully gardening, hurting nobody. He saved, but like the perspective. It's not a perspective. It is no, it's not. How is it not perspective?
SPEAKER_03:Because he because you saying he saved how did he do it?
SPEAKER_04:How did he save that half? How did he do it? How did he do it? Sha? How did he do it? By killing half!
SPEAKER_08:He didn't say because yes, in the generations to come. So listen, I was really sad when Spider-Man disappeared. I almost cried. And I'm glad that he came back. Okay, when Spider-Man came back. Hey, sure.
SPEAKER_05:Hey, what about I'm a snap if I can guarantee that not a single person I know is gonna be part of that 50%. That's turn.
SPEAKER_07:Fuck, right? That's like a Thanos. I know, of course. Now you guys would do it because you guys were willing to like advice our own family. I was saving the universe.
SPEAKER_04:Um because it's not a foregone conclusion.
SPEAKER_07:That's what I think that because there's a chance it wouldn't have happened.
SPEAKER_03:Well, because well of course. Because he's like, well, if we grow this rate, well, he can't see in the future.
SPEAKER_04:He's just watched what happened. He could see in the future. He couldn't. He couldn't see in the future. Prove it. He's just oh my goodness. I don't want to get into this.
SPEAKER_07:So why did he kill why did he kill the one girl? And it's working. Gamora. No, Gamora.
SPEAKER_08:He had to kill her to get the stone.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, oh. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:And she stayed dead though. Like she's one of the only ones that stayed dead because it's her.
SPEAKER_04:That was really sad. She gone. Actually, what was sad was when. Until she came back in it from a different timeline. Yeah, Black Widow died. That's what was really sad. That was the worst. I don't remember. Can we talk about also Black Widow has no there's two people that have no place beyond the Avengers. I enjoy them both.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, Hawkeye tries.
SPEAKER_04:Hawkeye, I'm sorry. Like he shoots both real. You are very accurate with the things that you shoot, and you have a limited amount of arrows that okay. But like that I can tolerate because your arrows can do something. Black Widow? Yeah, garbage. I'm sorry. Like you are an excellent fighter. Like combat who is the most super cool toys. But she's a spy. She's a spy. But why do we have like an espionage expert fighting gods? I like Yelena Balova. Me too. But I'm not expecting it. I like saying that name. I'm gonna say that is a Yelena Balova.
SPEAKER_03:But like it's one of those things that's like you you're literally fighting deities. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_04:And have you watched the new Captain America? No. It's gonna make you angry. I have a real hard time, even like that that character, the Falcon, being one of the people that like, I you don't have any business being the Avenger. I think you have you can join the club as like the Overwatch, you've got some cool weapons and things, but you know you can't join the fight. Yeah. And so Captain America's shield, uh-huh, made of vibranium, a perfect whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You still have to be able to withstand that that it doesn't like the force, yeah. It doesn't just like energy disappear. When Red Hulk punches you, you're a human shatter every bone.
SPEAKER_08:The shield will be just fine. I guess if it does, that would make sense.
SPEAKER_07:But I don't think that's what vibranium did, though, is it? No, it it does it, it like it releases vibrations which absorbs.
SPEAKER_04:Can you tell me like the scientific- I can't. I I can't.
SPEAKER_07:But the thing is, it's like if I've asked grok too many questions, it's not letting me do it. So I don't have super grok its head.
SPEAKER_04:But like what it comes down to, I think, just based on everything else, is Captain America still takes hits, but it does a good job of spreading that energy, but you still take a hit. Yeah, like it's not like bullets hit Captain America, and he was like, I didn't even feel it. Like, if they sp if they built it upon that, then fine. Sure. But they didn't.
SPEAKER_08:It's just like an indestructible metal that kind of just but in the end, you gotta put all that aside and just enjoy the movies. You got it.
SPEAKER_04:Agreed. Absolutely because of fun. Suspend your belief in reality. Yeah, snap them digits. And that's where Star Wars works for me, is because they they build you. Yeah, I guess. He's wearing a tattooing shirt. I know, that's true. It's not that much of a shit.
SPEAKER_08:And he's got tattoos. I do, I'm just gonna do it.
SPEAKER_07:And I finished season three of Rebels last night with my kids, and it was amazing.
SPEAKER_04:I actually haven't I haven't seen it. I know. It's on my to-do list. I've got a big to-do list. Um, but it's like because it starts with an intro line that just tells you to suspend everything. Yeah. A long, long time ago in a galaxy far away. I feel like it would be in the future, though, right? But that's the thing. But that's that's where they get you. It's like this is a long time ago in a galaxy far away. So it's like everything you I get it.
SPEAKER_08:They're the ones who made the pyramids.
SPEAKER_04:There it is, done.
SPEAKER_08:A long, long time ago.
SPEAKER_04:They used the force a long, long time ago.
SPEAKER_08:So they were it's probably 12, 13,000 years ago.
SPEAKER_07:We're talking about pyramids and it said nerd alert. Yeah. I like I like some Star Wars though. Absolutely. Not like that much Star Wars.
SPEAKER_08:Have you ever heard of the Radical Apathy podcast?
SPEAKER_07:I have, I'm familiar. They like some Star Wars.
SPEAKER_08:I bet you you would do really well on there because uh you like.
SPEAKER_05:No, no, because they wouldn't let him talk for the first 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_08:That's very true, Andrew.
SPEAKER_04:You could you you can't go on that podcast. No, I I'm I I am familiar with uh with one of those hosts, Corbin. Um, and uh and he he's someone who's very very uh adept at shutting me the fuck up. And it's a simple hand signals. I used to work uh the hand signals, and he would just start this. And whenever I would start talking and he'd be done with me, he would just start. I'm just gonna describe it for people who are listening. Start with like wide hands and bring his hand slowly.
SPEAKER_07:Like when you're backing a vehicle up, like that kind of thing, like you're just far away.
SPEAKER_04:Shorten your story, and it is like so crushing and upsetting. And it works every time.
SPEAKER_08:Corbin, I love that idea, and I'm gonna use it next time. If the team ever comes back here, that's what we're gonna do. It hurts so bad every time, but it works every time.
SPEAKER_07:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05:It's just like I'm gonna use that to you at work. Oh my god. Next time.
SPEAKER_07:Our next nursing home disposal day, I will be doing hearing aid battery.
SPEAKER_04:It is so it is it is it is so effective. Like it like it it shuts me up, and I'm like immediately self-conscious. Like, hilarious. Yeah. It wouldn't go well.
SPEAKER_07:I'm I'm never gonna push my hands in on you. I think you might.
SPEAKER_05:What if you'll go the other way?
SPEAKER_04:Like, yeah. Bring it out. Right. I I can't talk more. I'm pretty sure you care about two. But see, this is like I'm a factor of like how I was raised. Like, I was brought up. I I talked like I am out of a family of five, I am ranked probably number three or four in in Jay's talking. So it's like if I you didn't grab air time, like quality, like from from the top. I like quality. I subscribe to quality to be.
SPEAKER_08:So now I picture I picture like your Thanksgivings where like everyone's just telling their own story and no one's listening, they're always talking.
SPEAKER_04:Everybody, everyone's talking. Yeah. And if you didn't grab air, like if you don't grab time to speak, you don't speak. No, I just figure like Everyone's just talking.
SPEAKER_08:Like there's no one's listening. Sadness. Like everyone's just talking. I love my family dearly.
SPEAKER_04:Like, very, very much. So it is a root filled love. But like this podcast. Yeah, I feel right at home here. Like, I leave, I leave family get togethers and I'm exhausted. I'm like, holy shit, I need a minute. Speaking of the witch, I'm tired. So much.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, that was a good thing. This is a lot longer than we normally go to, I think, isn't it?
SPEAKER_08:Uh it's two hours. This is probably one of our longest podcasts.
SPEAKER_07:Great.
SPEAKER_08:No, don't be sorry. It's a good time.
SPEAKER_07:You put the knife away. Yeah. We didn't have to uh you didn't stab Barcelona.
SPEAKER_04:Didn't you have a silly question at the end? Or was that it? Oh, that was shooting a child. Okay, for the record, that is not a silly goose question. That's a very dark question. Well, like I was expecting something too.
SPEAKER_07:But it always takes a turn to silly gooseness, which is what happens.
SPEAKER_04:Deb you guys talked about, I I can't remember. If you guys ever talked about, I posed this question at a meeting that happens at the beginning of our shifts that I heard on the radio once, and this may be fun to wait in unless you've talked about it. It was fighting a room full of science. Talked about it. Oh, yeah, all the time.
SPEAKER_05:One of my favorite questions that's been asked on this podcast is how many owls?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah. Who would you have to see until you told something? That was my favorite problem. I like that. What? Yeah, I definitely heard that on the radio somewhere. Wonder, did they take it from us? I bet you probably. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_07:Did somebody from the radio listen to us? Yeah, because I didn't get it from the radio. Once again, we've never had a pretty common thing. No one's had an original sauce right now. That's right. Yes, it's not amazing.
SPEAKER_04:Um, but my answer to that, I think, like, because I think an important factor is you're seeing them during the day. Right?
SPEAKER_07:No, but I think we I think we went we went to different animals, like just a herd of animals. Like, how many like deer would it take for you to be concerned? What's going on? Or running one?
SPEAKER_04:I like owls specifically because it puts me a little bit in the mind of Harry Potter, but also because it's like it adds that like I love owls. I fucking love owls. I think they're so cool. So what's your answer in the day?
SPEAKER_07:If I saw during the day five owls, but now if I see a six, they're flying in one direction. How many owls? Are you more or less?
SPEAKER_04:Why are you quitting?
SPEAKER_07:Oh, because five is not his answer. Five is not his answer. I want to shut the eyes. No, he hasn't said anyways. We should probably go.
SPEAKER_05:Don't worry. He does this to us too when we're here.
SPEAKER_07:He just goes, anyways.
SPEAKER_05:Alright, well, I'm going home guys.
SPEAKER_04:Um, so if they're flying in the same direction, yeah. I'm gonna stick at five still. Okay. I respect that answer. I don't agree, but I respect it. If I see them flying together in unison, that's what I mean. Three.
SPEAKER_05:What? To be concerned?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You see three owls.
SPEAKER_04:Have you ever seen have you ever seen owls fly together? Period. I've seen as it ended.
SPEAKER_05:No, I uh I I need to see like 30. What?
SPEAKER_07:30 owls? Do you know what 30 owls would look like flying to eat? Do you know 33 owls would sound like? What is a fly?
SPEAKER_04:Nothing, because owls fly silently. My favorite owl fact.
SPEAKER_05:I hate it when I see owls get hit by cars. Oh, it makes me so sad.
SPEAKER_04:Owls are my favorite. Do you know how small owls actually are? Like their bodies are depends on the owl. So, like uh, there was like an owl about Yay Big. I'm talking about like their body compared to their feathers. It obviously depends on the owl.
SPEAKER_03:But it's like, so I was a little answer to that.
SPEAKER_04:But like I was at this depends on the owl. This bird's a prey place in Scotland. And they were like feeding this owl. I don't know what kind of owl.
SPEAKER_08:Okay, if you can ask this question, we can talk longer. If not, we're done. What is a group of owls called? Uh parliament.
SPEAKER_06:Oh my god!
SPEAKER_04:I thought you were gonna ask a hard question. You're such an idiot, but so smart. What? I don't know what the. How would you know that? I don't know. I know things. I am a wealth of useless information. This is a good thing.
SPEAKER_07:I'd better forget that in five minutes, too.
SPEAKER_04:What's a group of otters called?
SPEAKER_08:I thought there's no chance he knows this. A parley? What's a group of chance? A parliament. A parliament. A parliament.
SPEAKER_02:I think there's no chance.
SPEAKER_08:I would never have guessed that in a million years.
SPEAKER_04:What's a group of otters called? A cloister. No, it's a raft.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, fuck, I need that. So she seems cute. I don't know why that's true.
SPEAKER_04:What's a group you're gonna know this one, obviously. What's a group of crows called? That's a huge. Whoa! Let's make fun of them, JP. They knew a thing.
SPEAKER_08:Nobody knew that a group of owls. Nobody listening to this. And if you did, you can comment at average superior on X.
SPEAKER_04:Ask me a different one.
SPEAKER_08:No. Okay. We're done. Well, you said! I I lied. I lied because I didn't think you'd get it.
SPEAKER_04:What's that group of frogs called? Oh shit, I don't know. Frogs don't group.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Nailed it. If you get this one right, we can keep going.
SPEAKER_08:I don't have no idea. Okay, there's an answer. A leap. No. Thank goodness.
SPEAKER_07:A hurdle, a lily. A hurdle and lily pad. Is it frog related? Is it a hurdle?
SPEAKER_08:No. Squad? No. Army.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_08:An army? An army.
SPEAKER_05:An army of frogs. An army of frogs. A group of frogs is called an army. I like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_05:This is great. If I ever make another Instagram post, this is a few.
SPEAKER_08:Frog army. Hashtag frog army.
unknown:Frogs.
SPEAKER_08:Owl parlor.
SPEAKER_07:How many frogs in one place? Anyways.
SPEAKER_08:How many frogs did it take to make an army? More than two? Five.
SPEAKER_04:I was absolutely not sure.
SPEAKER_08:Hey everyone, thanks for listening to Average Period Podcast, episode number 67, uh, with Tim, who talks a lot.
SPEAKER_05:I love him.
SPEAKER_08:But we love him, and we're glad he came. And we are welcome back uh maybe in like a couple years. I'll probably talk to you again never. I think I've overstated my welcome. Uh good times. Thanks for listening. Sorry we took so long to get another one. We'll do another one shortly. Bye. Okay, bye. If you've made it this far, welcome to the new outro. If you'd like, you can check out our Instagram at Average Superior. In our bio, there is a link to our page where you can show support by donating a small amount of money to help cover our costs. Now stay tuned for our newest song about the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:A glint in his eye.