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The Average Superior Podcast
This show features three nursing home attendants who have realized their brains are incomplete and their bodies are always in pain. They are peasants outside the castle walls attempting to navigate a world that feels rigged while simultaneously trying to be 1000% sure about things they know nothing about!
The Average Superior Podcast
# 71 - What Do You Value?
Today we are back and get a little serious. What are you values? What are you striving for? How do you think about wealth?
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SPEAKER_03:Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What do you do right now?
SPEAKER_01:Imagine sympathetic pukers. Yeah. Imagine if there were sympathetic poopers.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you'd have to be like visually seeing it happen. When you were younger in high school, did you ever go in class and be like, hey? It's like Jack Nicholson from The Shining over there. Um would you ever like, hey, do you want to go for a group poop? No. And like three or four I'm a male. Okay. That's weird. We called it group poops in uh in Vulcan. Not in Manitoba, but when I moved out here, I you're not gonna want to put any drinks in there because you're gonna need a vessel for your other drinks. We did a group poop where it would be like, hey, and I look at you guys at group poop, and like four of us would go, just hit up one per stall and just poop.
SPEAKER_01:That's super weird.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it I I thought it was weird, but I thought it was an Alberta thing because when I moved out here, everyone was doing it.
SPEAKER_04:Um I don't know what to say about that.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04:Cool.
SPEAKER_02:We're not started yet anyway, so no.
SPEAKER_04:Why do you say that? Every single time you say, have we started yet? And I've already hit record like five minutes ago.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but you can edit.
SPEAKER_01:I don't. Well sometimes. Yeah, I do. Sometimes this podcast will forever be known for its gross hyperboles. Will it? Five minutes ago. We sat down 15 seconds ago.
SPEAKER_03:1000%.
SPEAKER_04:Uh welcome to episode 71 of the Average Superior Podcast with your hosts, JBCJ and Jason. That is so weird.
SPEAKER_02:I guess they're your hosts.
SPEAKER_04:We are hosts. Technically. We're not hosting anybody. I guess we're hosting them. We're hosting you for your listen listening pleasure. Yeah, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_03:Would you like to know some facts about the number 71?
SPEAKER_04:Well, I'm sure you're gonna tell me.
SPEAKER_02:I would like to know one fact.
SPEAKER_04:One fact? Well, if we're gonna do it, let's do five. Let's let's five facts about an homage to the radical apathy podcast. Oh, your top five seventy-one facts.
SPEAKER_01:Fact number one. It is a prime number, meaning it is only divisible by one and itself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's that's that's the right response. All right.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we're trying to find something more interesting. Okay, that was top that was number five of the top five.
SPEAKER_02:Hold on, I gotta do it.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like you I thought you had five waiting for us.
SPEAKER_02:Are you now looking it up? Okay, well, I had to preparation.
SPEAKER_01:So I had five terrible facts. I'm trying to find it.
SPEAKER_04:Don't change the subject. We gotta get through five of these. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:This is as painful for everybody as it is for us. You know what? Watching you thumb your phone with painter's tape on it. What is that on the top? Little painter's tape? It's it's a leaf. Oh.
SPEAKER_01:Lutetium is a is a chemical element that uh is the atomic number 71.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, lutetium. Lutetium. Are you sure that's how it said?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_01:Captain Eric's shield is. That's definitely not right. How do I find 71 might be the most boring number?
SPEAKER_02:Like we feel like most of you AI it? Most numbers are this interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I did I did a Jason just Google. I got I got the thing up, okay anyway.
SPEAKER_04:No, we gotta get through this now. We committed. We got three more to go.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, why did we go?
SPEAKER_02:Well, he started it.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I I I I cannot find a single interesting thing about this number.
SPEAKER_02:The number 71 in binary is 1000111, which is a palindrome as well. That's not interesting. Oh, I'm sorry. You set the bar so high, being a prime number, it's also an odd number.
SPEAKER_01:I'm trying, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Um We should really prepare for the. JB?
SPEAKER_04:I'm trying to find some.
SPEAKER_02:Well, maybe we're not maybe we just don't wing things while we're Googling at the same time.
SPEAKER_04:Uh here we go. If you looked up uh cultural like relevance or cultural facts, uh Route 71 in the US uh is a historic highway stretching from Louisiana to the Canadian border in Minnesota. Oh uh Jersey number 71 by notable athletes such as Evgeny Malkin. Thank you. Wilt say that name Evgeny Malkin in the NHL.
SPEAKER_02:Wilt Chamberlain Ward, who is the has the record for the most points ever scored in an NBA game.
SPEAKER_04:In some cultures, particularly Eastern Asian traditions, number 71 may be considered lucky or unlucky. Depending upon the pronunciation or context. That is the most useless thing. You could be lucky or unlucky. It's a very nice thing. What's the Jim Carrey movie where he's obsessed with the number?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, what's the Jim Carrey movie where he's obsessed with the number? Uh 13? Is it the number 13? It has a three in it. Or is it seven? No, that's spread bigger. Is it seven or seven? No, there's a Jim Carrey movie where he's obsessed with the number of things.
SPEAKER_01:Lucky number seven. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03:Jim Carrey isn't in that movie. I don't think we were. I think I've seen one Jim Carrey movie in my life. Have you seen Ace Venture Pet Detective?
SPEAKER_01:I forgot to.
SPEAKER_02:We're not gonna go into how you don't watch movies ever.
SPEAKER_01:Meet Myself and Irene was a great movie. It was hilarious.
SPEAKER_02:It was a really good movie. Uh 23, the number 23, is a psychological thriller directed by Joel Schumacher. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Why do we start with just crazy useless facts? I don't know. Are we guys Are we that out of material?
SPEAKER_02:Do you want to do you want a drink?
SPEAKER_03:Yes. You specifically, you're very amped up.
SPEAKER_02:I want I walked into the the store and I grabbed the first like low sugar ones I could find, and they're all ones I haven't seen before, and I got them based off what I think you guys would like.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. That's you're super excited because these drinks aren't on the table yet. You're hiding them.
SPEAKER_02:I know. Well, I want to present them to you because like do you want to start with a sweet drink or an adult-ish drink?
SPEAKER_04:Does it have alcohol?
SPEAKER_02:No, none of them have alcohol or sugar. So they're all gonna be too.
SPEAKER_04:How is it an adult drink? Okay, wait, yeah, give it to us. You mean coffee-ish?
SPEAKER_02:That's why you're do you want to start with sweet? Like a dessert?
SPEAKER_01:Surprise me.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So what? Sorry. With this, could we do like dessert and then coffee after dessert for like a little bit of a I would say I would start with sweet first and then move to the adult-ish after.
SPEAKER_02:Sold.
SPEAKER_04:Can we also point out that you're wearing the shirt of the place that we were making fun of last time?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Zach Baggins Haunted Matthew. You got the free shirt with the R.I.P package, which we got, which allowed exclusive access to different areas.
unknown:R.I.P.
SPEAKER_04:That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, drink number one.
SPEAKER_02:The first one we got is by the company called Don't Eat It, Drink It. It is a sparkling cotton candy made in the Netherlands.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's gonna be terrible.
SPEAKER_03:Cotton candy. I like cotton candy.
SPEAKER_02:I know you do. That's why I got it, because I know you like cotton candy.
SPEAKER_03:What's wrong with cotton candy?
SPEAKER_01:Well, first off, it's disgusting.
SPEAKER_03:It's not.
SPEAKER_04:It's like actual cotton candy? As opposed to what? Like a sweetener or something that's supposed to taste like cotton candy. It's just sugar, is it not?
SPEAKER_02:Drink your water out of there. You get a lot of water. There's no okay. All this ice of cotton can. Cotton can! I get it now. I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, what's cotton can, but it's cotton candy.
SPEAKER_01:It's called candy can.
SPEAKER_02:Candy can.
SPEAKER_01:So sorry, you like to muck a stick of cotton candy? I would muck multiple sticks. I can't do a whole stick. You know the feeling you can.
SPEAKER_04:I am uh I grew up on can I grew up on sugar, so I struggle. Like I could eat an insane amount of candy.
SPEAKER_02:That's zero sugar, is it?
SPEAKER_04:Not bad. Well, I got some on my shirt, so that's helpful.
SPEAKER_01:This is actually quite good. I I also grew up on a very large amount of sugar, which might explain my brain. It is not bad. But cotton candy is disgusting. Uh it's you're wrong.
SPEAKER_02:Have you ever had like the cotton candy where they make it, like they make it out of the spool right in front of you? That's nice. It's fluffy.
SPEAKER_01:I know. It just makes your mouth feel so gross after. You can brush teeth after.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that that happens.
SPEAKER_01:You know what really frustrates me about cotton candy? Hey, can you please tell me what really frustrates you about cotton candy? I'd love to tell you what really frustrates me about cotton candy. Watching obese children eat cotton candy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Do you know what frustrates me in general about obese children?
SPEAKER_01:They're obese parents. Just know them being obese. Yeah, but have you ever seen an obese kid with a No.
SPEAKER_04:No. You don't even have to finish the sentence, no.
SPEAKER_02:They usually have crops.
SPEAKER_04:And I feel bad about it. Like I feel like they are deprived of opportunity in life.
SPEAKER_02:I guess they don't know.
SPEAKER_04:No, they I mean, well, they know.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah, but they don't know.
SPEAKER_04:They they don't have the but they don't they're not making the choices of what goes into body, right?
SPEAKER_02:Right. And they don't know that all this can be bad in the future. Like they just like, oh candy, I don't have to I know it's bad for me, but I don't care.
SPEAKER_04:But they have to know even at a young age when like there's all like they're go to school and they got all these kids playing outside, running around, and they can't because they are out of breath in three steps. I think they have to have a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01:I think they recognize that something's different, but I'm sure they don't have a comprehensive understanding of how and why.
SPEAKER_02:Or long term. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think um But they're stuck in their roles? It's not like they're gonna they can go out and buy like medicine cucumbers and stuff when they just it sucks. That's sad.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And and there's like I can't remember the specific age, but at a certain when you're young and you um eat bad food, you are increasing the number of fat cells that your body has, but at a certain point in time, you no longer are like creating fat cells, they're just getting bigger. So your propensity to be larger in later yeah, so in later so as a child, if your child is eats poorly, they're actually uh increasing their potential potential fatness later in life because of the amount of fat cells in their body. I can't remember the age at which that stops. Yeah, so like if that's why, like as a child, not eating healthy and getting uh obese as a child is makes it insanely hard for them later on in life not to uh to get way bigger and to lose it.
SPEAKER_01:It's still doable, but it's tons of work. But can you remove I I've read some stuff about what you've said before and I don't remember much of it. Can you remove I don't know the number of fats?
SPEAKER_04:So you're saying like if you do like liposuction?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no. I I mean natural.
SPEAKER_04:I don't no, I don't think so. I think once you have a certain set number of like uh adipose tissue cells, like adipose cells, I don't think you can decrease that. I think you can shrink them. You can make the I think that's the point, is you can they can become smaller, but I don't think you can and some people are probably listening to screaming right now because you're like, that makes sense though. Is it right? It makes sense, but I feel like it's right. I think that that's that's true. And so that's why it's like, yeah, you're predisposing your child for a lifetime of struggle to maintain their weight if they are eating crappy food in their young.
SPEAKER_02:I think there is this says like by the end of adolescence, that's when your number is there. I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_03:But I think there I think there is a way to decrease that number. Can you check? Uh can you decrease fat cell number uh as an adult? And I want to ask I want to think it has to do with ketosis.
SPEAKER_02:Really? Well, you know what, that drink that you just drank is also keto-friendly, by the way.
SPEAKER_04:It feels it's crazy. I mean, like it's crazy because it's so sweet.
SPEAKER_02:It's actually really good. Uh yeah, the whole liposuction comes up first, but you can't reduce the number through natural processes like that. Interesting. That that is a really cool fight and so you but you can't decrease it.
SPEAKER_04:So again, it just goes to say like if you have less fat cells, um, your ability to potentially be skinnier is increased because you don't have as many to decrease.
SPEAKER_01:Which then would speak to the extreme importance of limiting calorie surplus in your children in their adolescence.
SPEAKER_04:But that's interesting, right?
SPEAKER_03:Because calm sorry, chronic calorie surplus.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that may be the thing. Because like I think mostly active kids who are active for good reasons, like sports or whatever. Um I was actually yelling at my daughter today at suppertime because yelling. Well, loudly talking. But uh but well McConnell, actually I was yelling because it's like the 90s we keep mentioning. Angry yell? No, not angry yell, but just passionate yell. Passionate yellow talking loudly. Because she um woke up late, she stayed up late last night because she can't get summer, woke up late, uh, did a couple things around the house, and then went to the Y and played basketball for six hours. Which is good. It's all good. That part's good. But then she literally had three California rolls in the morning before she left for uh to play basketball and didn't eat the rest of the day. Like a sushi. Yeah, and didn't eat the rest of the day. I'm like, you have to eat food, you are so active, like you're going to wither away. Uh and I just I've been trying to get on her like she needs that protein and athletics because she's been she loves athletics. So I'm like, you need to start eating properly.
SPEAKER_01:I don't have enough knowledge to look at that through the lens of like if you look if an adult does that, generally it's probably not harmful.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know if an like a teenager I feel like a teenager who is uh still growing, who is athletic, who has ambition to be good at sports or athletic in general, I I think you should again uh focusing on protein and healthy food. And I'm not talking about like we're not to count your calories or anything like that. Like I don't care anything about that necessarily, but like eating one meal and some snacks in a day is not enough. Sure, daily, but look at that from a weekly perspective. Sure. But she can in yeah, in general, she doesn't need enough. But yeah, that that was the kind of moral of the argument, like you have to stop doing this.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, it says like a growing teenager is about the same as us, like 1.2 to 2 grams per kilogram of body mass for protein. Which nobody And it short-term effects of missing a day is not a big deal, but it's like it says not so my nephew is uh So you're you're correct, I think. I think I am correct.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, uh my nephew is try is uh really good at hockey, and he's um he's small for his age and he's trying to uh bulk up, and so he's actually going to like a uh trainer and he's he's actually focusing, and he's only 14 or 13, focusing on eating really healthy and trying to eat lots of protein. And he's like put on five pounds in like nice six months or something, like healthy weight. Uh, but it's hilarious because he just is trying to like just always thinking about how much chicken he's eating all day, and it's funny. It's so hard to get enough protein. Yeah, so hard. Uh it's not I don't think it is when you're eating like uh protein shakes and stuff, but I mean obviously you shouldn't be doing natural protein as yeah.
SPEAKER_02:If you like, yeah, we've been doing a lot of burritos, and I find like you can get like 50 grams of protein in a burrito or whatever, and you have two of those, like it's it's not hard if it's all meal prepped, but like through the day, I would need to do protein shakes if I didn't have any in my freezer.
SPEAKER_01:But is the average size adult to get 200 grams of protein? Plus or minus, you know, 20 grams. It is tough. It's tough. Yeah. Even with protein shakes, protein bars, and then if you want to try and restrict carbs with that. That's why when keto keto was hard. It was so productive, but it was so hard.
SPEAKER_02:Is if you'd have like, let's say 70 grams of protein in like a shake, is that because it there's new depth. That's like the science is split on.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there's there's new there's new sci studies that have come out, I think, and I haven't read them, but I've seen posts about them that are kind of indicating that the idea that your body can't process it is not right, that your body can process large amounts of protein. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:It's not like you just go so waste.
SPEAKER_04:There was like an idea that at a certain point maybe you can't process more than like 50 grams or just sitting or something like that, but now they're like that. I don't think that's really supported. And again, I'm talking on my ass. This is like posts I've seen uh that I've kind of half read.
SPEAKER_01:Which is why it would be nice, you know, those meals where you have a pile of eggs in the morning, you have a protein bar kind of in the middle of the day or something, and then you go home and smash three giant ground beef burritos, yeah. 110 grams of protein.
SPEAKER_04:I I wish that I had the ability to have a good breakfast. And I I know if I prepped it, I would. But just like with our work, I just never do because I wake up early too early. I wake up super early to go to the gym usually, and I don't have time to make breakfast. I'm not gonna eat before I go to the gym, and then I don't have any ability to really make breakfast between gym and work.
SPEAKER_02:So I do like I would do like what you do a fasted workout. Like I don't eat in the morning at all. Is that what you do too? Yeah, I don't eat breakfast. And that's that's not bad.
SPEAKER_04:Like it's it's not bad, but I don't think it's I don't think it's good. I don't think it's it not? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Like just having a little bit of carbs or something?
SPEAKER_01:Some amino acids.
SPEAKER_02:Some electrolytes or something. Wow. Well, I do when I work out, I have electrolytes, but I think I think that's probably too late in the game.
SPEAKER_01:I think amino acids are the goal. Because back when I was very much involved in this, I've forgotten most of the things I've read these days. But it would uh generally you know have uh you know some BCAAs before your workout to try and offset some of that catabolic kind of don't worry. I'll just see if there's any more.
SPEAKER_02:Would you like to move on to the second can by the same company actually?
SPEAKER_04:Uh let's do second drink.
SPEAKER_02:I have high hopes. The next one is the same company, and it's called birthday cake.
SPEAKER_04:Birthday cake.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that first one was really good.
SPEAKER_04:Uh the cans are I like the cans, they look pretty.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that smells like birthday cake. I'm really excited for this. Candy can. I know what's it called? Candy can.
SPEAKER_04:Candy can.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna consume a lot of liquid. I'm a big fan.
SPEAKER_04:Candy can, birthcake, sparkling, not just birth, not just birthcake, sparkling birthcake.
SPEAKER_01:It's like two bucks. Remember when we used to do this all the time? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But this is the that gas station uh near your house is redone now. They have alcohol inside. Yeah, I I didn't know that we could do that. I didn't know we could do that. We can do that? There's there's a there's a pony wall, like a half wall between the gas station and the alcohol.
SPEAKER_04:Which gas station is this?
SPEAKER_02:Uh the sh the shell on the highway here.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, really? Yeah. I did not know there was alcohol in that store.
SPEAKER_02:Well, there is now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Don't hate it. Not bad. These are good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good with this one too. Yeah. Good job. Good job.
SPEAKER_02:The next two are gonna be terrible.
SPEAKER_01:No, this is good. It's got oh, sucralose. Uh concentrate of carrot. Well, that's healthy, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:I can tell you a funny story about what my kids did. Please do. Um, so we have a 10-year-old and an eight and a five. And the 10-year-old now is is on the internet looking at like looking up stuff, whatever, right? Just like, oh, I want to check prices on this. So you go on Amazon. And we told him and gave him the talk about, you know, what not to like we got some stuff on the that's some protections, but what not to Google, all that kind of stuff. Standard conversation. Don't like type in naked women, whatever, right? And so he is aware that stuff exists out there. And so I ended up a couple weeks ago taking away YouTube uh completely from the entire household. And your wife included? No, no, me, me and my wife always. I love YouTube. Um and shorts, YouTube shorts. Anyway, took it away, and then I'm a little a couple weeks behind on the allowances to give them because we you know you gotta have loonies, and I don't have loonies all the time, so whatever. So last night we're muck mucking about, kind of just wrestling a bit or whatever, and my daughter jumped in and she's like, Oh, this is why, this is why Landon and I like I started beating her or whatever, because You know, I'm a man. Um, and my eight-year-old daughter says, Well, this is why Lannon and I did that thing on the computer. And I'm like, What? What thing? So a week ago they were left home alone. And what they did is they wanted to get dad in trouble with mom. So they Googled girls in bikinis in Google, because my daughter was like, Well, dad didn't pay us his allowance and he took away YouTube. Let's get back at him. Are you serious? I am dead serious. And she suggested it, Landon type, they're oh, yeah, whatever. He typed it in. And then we had to have a sit-down conversation. I'm like, look, guys, I'm like, what's what's going on? And uh I did the particular set of skills with electronics. And and they're like, oh, okay, well, and then they start crying. They start crying and breaking down, they can't talk, they feel so bad, and they they say they they they they looked at that just so they they Googled it so that mom would find it, and then dad would get in trouble because they were mad at me. And I'm like, okay, like I appreciate you guys. Like we weren't mad because they were really honest about it, but then Len is like, and I'm not telling you what else we saw.
SPEAKER_01:Uh oh.
SPEAKER_02:And he stopped and he would not talk. And we had to like have a calm, calm thing, like, this is the time. Like, let us know. And he's like, Yeah. He's like, Oh, okay, I'll tell you what. And he's crying. He's like, There's there was one girl, and she had like a like a like a tank top on, but she had like bikini bottoms on. And then we closed the window. That's all we did. And he was like crying when he told us this. I'm like, oh, okay, cool. That's that's not a big deal. Did you go check your browser history? I did, and they are 100% sure. Like I looked, I looked at the all the the deleted the cash, all that stuff. Like they were 100% honest, that's what they did. But it took about 30 minutes of them feeling terrible and crying about it because they felt so bad they didn't want to tell us. Wow. But they did that. And so I don't know if I'm mad at that or not. Because they were open and honest and they and they came clean and it was a really good conversation.
SPEAKER_04:Your children are vindictive.
SPEAKER_02:That's well, my daughter is my daughter is, and it's a hundred percent her. But because Lennon's like, oh, and they kinda like, oh, it was a kind of a prank too. I'm like, was it a prank, or were you guys just like actually mad at me? F-dad. F dad.
SPEAKER_04:It's four dollars.
SPEAKER_02:And my wife's like, it's not a big deal. I'm like, I feel like it kind of is.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I feel like you kind of I'm not saying it's a big deal, but I'm saying it might be an indicator on some future problems.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, my daughter's gonna be catty as hell.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I don't, yeah, I I don't have a frame of reference for this, but I know, right? You neither do I. On one hand, honesty is having your kids be honest about those kind of things will probably pay dividends in the future when it actually matters.
SPEAKER_02:So I that's what I told them. I'm like, you guys are like this much in trouble, but it has been counteracted by your honesty, and now no one's getting in any type of trouble. We're just gonna monitor, probably change all the passwords so when we're gone, you're not able to access anything.
SPEAKER_04:I have forever told my children that I would like, yes, I might be mad at something they do, but I'm gonna be more pissed if they lie about it or or like I have to find out about it some other way, if someone else tells me. Um, and I think that's worked. That makes me feel really good. Only time will tell, but like that's and and the problem with that is I have to I have to, and I'm not good at it, I have to moderate my my anger there, right? Because if I'm saying, okay, if you come to me and tell me, hey, we did this stupid thing. So the example is like with my daughter had some friends over, like 20 kids over in our shop to to hang out. I told her, I was like, if I was like, if someone shows up with their backpack and they got booze in there, I expect that you're coming to tell me. Like, like this isn't like you can't just like ignore it, but no ha the kids or whatever, right? You will come tell me. And she's like, Yeah, yeah, well, she's like, well, I don't want to like I don't wanna like be a rat or whatever. And I was like, okay, then you're not having a party. Like it's pretty simple. Like, you need to come tell me. I just I won't rat you out. Maybe I'll just show up to kind of see what's going on, but like you can't that can't happen.
SPEAKER_02:Like, like I pop it. Yeah, so like when you when you said show up to see what's happening, we just both, I think, and I'm looking at CJ, pictured dad JB walking in being like, Hey guys, let's go ahead and just do it. Anyway, sorry, sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_04:It's uh it was interesting, and I'm just like I ex that's an expectation because like if that happens and you don't tell me, this you're never having people over again. Like it's pretty simple, and so I think that's it's pretty clear, like that that's the expectation. And I'm trying to every opportunity I have, I'm trying to like get through a head. Like, hey, if you're in trouble somewhere, it doesn't matter if you got you shouldn't be there, you should call me. You need to call me. I don't, yes, I might be pissed later on that you did you're where you are, but like I don't want you to be like, oh, I can't call dad because he'll be mad. Like, you need like you know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to keep every opportunity I have to be like, you have to call me. I will come, I will get you out of the pit, whatever you're in that you don't need to be in anymore. Tell your friends the same things, like you have friends that are starting to make some decisions and probably drinking here and there. If they're ever in a position where they're like, I need out, and they're like, I don't know who to call, like I will come get you guys. But and yeah, sure, I might be pissed later that you guys are made some bad decisions and got there, but like you need to call me.
SPEAKER_02:I I like that, and that that's good messaging. My parents said the same thing to me. Like, if you're drinking at a party, just let us know, we'll come pick you up, no, no big issue. I never called them. But but I I'm I'm happy because I like the messaging you had because that was the messaging last night with my wife and I with the kids about this. And I'm thinking I I if we can just build off that most of the time and just create honesty, that's all I care about.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and they're and you they're not gonna be able to do it. They're gonna screw us over eventually.
SPEAKER_02:100% they will lie to us once or something. Yeah, kids.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I you we're all kids, we all lied, right? And it is, but like when it like when it's important or when it's like uh something that's more serious, like sure, you you might be I might be mad at some point, but you have I I don't want that to outweigh the like, but I know he'll come get me and help me out of this.
SPEAKER_01:I almost feel like the if I was to put myself in your shoes and you know, daughter comes to you and says, Hey, XYZ happened, and you have that like I get mad reaction, I almost feel like it's like you need to put that aside. You do, yeah. Deal with it, and then in 24 hours be like, okay, now I'm gonna be mad.
SPEAKER_04:Completely. And now we can have a conversation about it. And and I agree with you, and I have to we haven't we haven't had anything like that happen where it's like serious enough that I'm like, okay, this is a problem, but I foresee that could happen fairly easily.
SPEAKER_02:This this was the most serious thing that happened last night because they acted as if they killed somebody. Like they were so they were so guilty about it.
SPEAKER_04:I saw girls in bikini.
SPEAKER_02:I know one girl. There was one girl in a tank top and a bikini bottom, and Landon thought it was illegal. And it was hilarious.
SPEAKER_04:I remember in 1999. You remember LimeWire? Yeah, well, no, 1998 or 97 when I was in uh high school. Yeah, I'm old. And uh we it was Yahoo and it was dial up, and you would search Pamela Anderson and you would hit the button and you would wait and it would fill line by line.
SPEAKER_02:It would like the old school printer, like line by it literally would.
SPEAKER_04:It would like it would like slowly from the top. Do you remember when it stopped? You'd get like the head, and you're like, here we go, here we go. And then you get shoulders and you're looking around because you're at school. Yeah, and then all of a sudden you're getting like half a chest, and you're like, Oh, here it is, guys. And then all of a sudden it's like someone's coming delete, delete, delete.
SPEAKER_02:Or like, or like it's filling in, like you get to both the shoulders, and then like someone upstairs picks up the phone and dials, and you're like, BACK!
SPEAKER_04:You start yeah, our kids will never know about that.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, and what was the it was LimeMire, right?
SPEAKER_04:And Napster and all that you could download music videos in 2000-ish, 2001.
SPEAKER_02:You know that 2025, what is it? 2050 and the year 2000 are the same like distance away right now, as of today or yesterday.
SPEAKER_01:That's scary. That's insane.
SPEAKER_02:I don't like that because we'll be around in 2025. I I believe all of us will be aware. Well, we are currently in the middle. No, sorry, 2050, 2050. We'll be around in 2050, but like my plan on me. That's gonna it's gonna be a stretch.
SPEAKER_04:2050. How is it? It's 25 years, man.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna be, yeah, we'll we'll all we'll all be good.
SPEAKER_04:We'll be good. We'll be under seven years. We'll still be at the nursing home trying to work stuff. No. If I am, please call the government and get made for me, please.
SPEAKER_02:Do you do you have any plans like what age you're gonna just not have jobs?
SPEAKER_04:Uh you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:Like, because we're gonna we're gonna do stuff on the side.
SPEAKER_04:I 25 years I plan on being out of my job here, and then I'm not saying I wouldn't have a job, but I plan on I mean, and that could change, right? Because you could end up in a position where you feel okay and you you like what you're doing, um, potentially, but uh I see myself 25 years being out and then finding something else to do. Not 25 years today, 25 years from 25 from so 11.
SPEAKER_01:11. Yeah. I I see myself in 12 years waking up in the morning calling JB saying, What are you doing today? And him being like, Nothing. What do you want to do? I don't know. Let's do something because we have nothing else to do. Cool.
SPEAKER_04:Are you guys gonna call me or are you just yeah, but you'll have like a one-year-old might might we'll all have their own kids by then. That's a scary thought. No, well, one of them will be.
SPEAKER_02:Well, one of them, what yes, yes, you will be a grandpa.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know what will. Like I could be.
SPEAKER_02:No, you'll be a grandpa. Like it's RFK, but with a normal voice, kind of thing. No.
SPEAKER_01:That was nothing like RFK.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's like it's like the air is trying to escape, but he's trying to hold it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't even want to try because I would get it wrong.
SPEAKER_02:Microplastic. I can't do it. I can't actually not bad. It's because it yeah, it hurts to do. It must hurt him to talk, honestly.
SPEAKER_01:No, I don't think it does, but uh it's probably because he's so strong. What happened to it? Did he did he have cancer? What? I don't know. Oh, the voice. I I don't know. I thought it was just voice was just I should know this. I feel like I've looked it up before.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, it was something he didn't just he wasn't just born sounding like uh I had a I had a soup I had a supervisor or boss or whatever who had throat cancer, uh and he sounded a lot like that actually. So yeah. Did he have the thing that he put against stoma? He's got a sp he had this spasmic dysmorphia or spasmic dysmonia. It's a neurological disorder. He was diagnosed in 96. He was 42 in 1996. He's old. Holy cow.
SPEAKER_01:RFK was 42 and 96? Yeah. Oh, he's doing good. Yeah. Wow. That's gonna be you when you're 70. With a normal voice. I hope so. Still just ripping pull-ups. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I hope. What's the average number of pull-ups a 40-year-old can do in Canada?
SPEAKER_01:Not many.
SPEAKER_02:I I bet it's gotta be at least one.
SPEAKER_04:No. No. Well, we do those like without testing every year, and like what's the I I what's I think so like excellent for about my age category is like 12. Excellent. So that means you're like top percentile of the population.
SPEAKER_02:Never mind zero to two. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I was really excited about today. I hit a personal goal. Okay. I'm sure I at some point I could have done this previously in my life, but I didn't explicitly try it or pay attention to it. Four sets of ten with two twenty-five.
SPEAKER_04:That's awesome. Um, we've been talking about changing uh our fitness standards for the specialty unit at the nursing home. The trauma team. Yeah, the trauma team. That's a good thing, like that. The trauma team at the nursing home. Uh, and I I like the I like it. I like I like the metrics that they're testing, and I think it might be interesting to actually discuss and potentially do.
SPEAKER_02:I also like and gender separation for uh that's the problem.
SPEAKER_04:Like, here's the problem. I think in order to actually get that change happened, we'd have to pull some data to show to adjust. But but here's the thing. But actually, but actually, sorry, before you say that, I think that that testing does kind of account for that because it's uh the some of the tests. So one of them is uh uh uh body weight bench press. Ah, that's not it's not gonna be the same.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not saying I'm not saying that the testing that you're proposing is reflective of the demands of the job of the trauma team pushing that trauma cart down the hallway. I think it is. Sure, I I I and when you told me about it, I thought it was good. I think that you just that standard is the standard.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. No, it it is, yeah, I agree. Yeah. Um so there's so the testing is uh and again I think it's applicable. So it is uh standing broad jump. Uh it is what's the I there I think it's like your your height uh plus 12. And so there's like there's three standards like pass, like excellent, and then best or whatever. I don't know, superior. Yeah, superior. Yeah, average, so average and then superior. Uh and I think it's like your height plus a foot and your height plus two feet, it'd be like the excellent. Um, and then so bench press is your body weight, and then it's 10, 15, and 20 breps. So if you can do your body weight 10 times, that's good. There's pass your body weight 15 times, your body weight 20 times. Pull-ups, I think it's like 10, 15, 20 is a number. Uh there is a farmer's carry, which I like. Uh your your body weight, so that's heavy. Uh, and it's like 175 meters or feet or something. It's quite a distance. I like that. That one would be tough. These are really good. Um, and then there is oh deadlift, five, five rep deadlift, and I think it's like 1.5, 1.75, and two uh times the amount of your body weight for five reps. Um, it might be more than that, I can't remember. And then it's 800 meter run. So I like the run. Well, it's 800 meters, so it's uh three minutes 15 seconds is a pass, three minutes, and then 245 is excellent. That's cool.
SPEAKER_02:I like the standing broad jump. Have you measures tried the standing broad jump?
SPEAKER_04:I'd be fine at that. I'm good at jumping. I am. And he's like four feet tall.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but his legs are now his legs are shorter because of that.
SPEAKER_04:I'm good at jumping. Um scales. But I like it because it's a measure of power. It's just a measure of power output forward.
SPEAKER_03:I like it.
SPEAKER_04:I like that.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I think that's all of them. I feel like that's all of them.
SPEAKER_01:I'm worried about it. I like how pull a people in there. Yeah. I'm worried about people not being able to do a single pull-up. Yeah, it's bad.
SPEAKER_03:And that's like that's or dead hang from a bar. Or like 10 push-ups or yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Or hold their wave when they so the next day after we had the conversation. I was in the gym in the morning, so was CJ.
SPEAKER_04:Not everyone listens to all our episodes. So just in a previous episode, we did we talked about hanging from a bar, and then we talked about could you hang with one hand holding somebody, which we started with, and like still maintain your hanging on that bar? And we uh CJ and I were like, absolutely not. And uh Jason thought that somehow we could. Anyway, that's what the I was overconfident.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, I assumed I could hold my wife off the edge of a cliff with one hand and hold myself up with the other hand. That's good. That it turns out I can maybe hold her carry-on for a couple seconds. So yeah, seconds.
SPEAKER_04:Can you hold yourself with one hand on a bar?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yeah. For how long? Uh maybe 10. Yeah. Max like without 30 seconds. 10 without no, because it was the rotation when your body starts to rotate and you try to adjust your grip to keep your body from turning. That that wore me out. I've been I've actually been working on it, but like it wore me out.
SPEAKER_01:We did a single hand dead hang hold pinch holding a 35. Oh, did you? Yeah, and we've got 10 seconds. Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_02:I I didn't get 10, I got like five. Yeah. And then and then I jumped down in the most awkward way that could have broke your ankle. Broke my ankle, but still. And then we had the a really in-shape person in there, um, Malls, we'll say. And she got the 45 pinched for a good five. I think she went 45 for a good five seconds, but then she was done.
SPEAKER_04:I think we can call her Molly. It's okay.
SPEAKER_02:I like Malls.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Anyway, uh, does she like Malls?
SPEAKER_02:Uh uh I I've heard her being called Molls. I never called her that.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know if she listens, but she does. So uh, can I say a big shout out to Molly and Jeff uh for reping average superior uh at their rural streets and competition in Birmingham? That calls. They were wearing shirts. Thank you very much, appreciate that. Uh you looked amazing because of that, and also the amount of fitness you do. Can you stop that?
SPEAKER_02:Anthropatique? What?
SPEAKER_01:It is a non-alcoholic pen in that entire title.
SPEAKER_02:At epitique? Atypic. Atypic, sure. And it's uh spiced rum and cola, sugar-free, no alcohol.
SPEAKER_04:Uh what was the first thing you said? Anthropatik.
SPEAKER_02:Anthropomorphosis?
SPEAKER_01:This is gonna be gross. You just made up some words. Spiced rum and cocaine.
SPEAKER_02:Spiced rum and cola, because I'm pretty sure they don't have the license. That's gonna be disgusting. It's gonna be terrible, but we'll drink it. It's it's like uh zero.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, it's called atypic. Spiced rum and cola. Maybe it'll taste like college. Bad decision.
SPEAKER_02:College Royal Reserve and box your beer. So much fun. That was the Royal Reserve was the go-to in college for myself. It smells like it. Nice aggressive pour on that, CJ.
SPEAKER_01:Missed the cup.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's alright. It's it's that bad.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't even get to my mouth I was coughing.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it smells like spiced rum and cola.
SPEAKER_01:It totally does.
SPEAKER_03:That's that it kinda it mm there's an aftertaste. It's not it's similar. You get a little bit of rum in the back, eh?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's terrible too. It's disgusting. I no, it's not disgusting.
SPEAKER_04:I would say it's not disgusting, but it's um there's some sort of aftertaste that isn't quite right.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think it's the sweetener, maybe. Spices, rum, and coke that isn't spiced on the coat. It's full of sugar.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I just saw it said 80 calories on it, so I just assumed it was low sugar. How full of sugar are we talking? 19 grams.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that's not full. Considering a can of coke is what, 50?
SPEAKER_01:It it honestly reminds me of drinking in college.
SPEAKER_04:It does. It smells like it too.
SPEAKER_02:That was that was the goal of this one. No, this one I assumed that CJ would like.
SPEAKER_01:It's actually bringing back really great memories, though. It's funny how smell unlocks memories like that. I'm with you.
SPEAKER_03:There's like some weird like party vibes coming out of this cup. Yeah. You just feel like, oh, we're gonna get shit faced and go to the bar.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if I want uh a 50 cent uh drink at Ezzy's.
SPEAKER_04:What is the drunkest you've ever been in public, do you think?
SPEAKER_02:The$4 pitchers. In public?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like you're at like a bar and you were you should not have been out. Like you were so messed up.
SPEAKER_02:I kind of remember he was in college.
SPEAKER_04:I remember like a couple times that I was just so I the one coming to the top of my head. There's a couple there's been a couple times. The one coming to the top of my head was a Halloween party uh in probably 2005. Uh my buddy and I just no, two three of us, we just left it was cavemen. So I had the I I think I actually have pictures. I had this crazy like long wig on, and we uh made these loincloths. So we basically had boxes on, but then we taped these loincloths with like two our boxes, that's all we wore. And uh we got we pre-drank at one of their houses, and by the time we the limo came and picked us up to drive us to somewhere, I can't even remember where. I was puking out the limo. Yes. Uh we got there, and I think I pr I think I danced once, and then I had my head on the table and was puking under the table the whole time I was there. Just on the floor? Yes. I can't like I look at it now, and I'm like, what was I doing? Like, why didn't anyone just get me out of there? It was I can't even.
SPEAKER_02:It was acceptable back then. That's what I'm saying. And then Everett, they were probably like, yeah, JBO last night. You were the man. No, it was terrible. Yeah, it's terrible.
unknown:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Do you remember uh is it it what bar was it?
SPEAKER_04:I do not I feel like it was the exhibition grounds.
SPEAKER_03:Classy.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like I think I it was a university party, and I can't remember what the situation was. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Fun times though. Completely, yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And it was back when like you left the bar and you smell like you you're ringing in your ears and then you smell like smoke for like two days. And you felt like worse the next year.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. The problem is that you look back on that and you're like, that was a lot of fun. I would never want to do that again.
SPEAKER_04:I would not. I I can't even like the thought of being that drunk ever again in my life is like disgusting to me. Like I would be I would be out of commission for a week. For sure. If you're puking, for sure. It was like two days. I couldn't I can't I couldn't tell you the last time I puked drinking, but like when I first started drinking when I was like 20, because I didn't drink till I was like 20, uh, I puked every single time. Every single time.
SPEAKER_03:Like it just it just was like it just happened. It was like this is happening. And then every time when you're puking, you think to yourself, why did I do that?
SPEAKER_01:Completely. What like why? Yeah. Stupidity. I don't know if I'll ever be drunk like that again in my life. I don't plan on it. Why would you want to be?
SPEAKER_03:Like, well, it's kind of like yeah, like that. No, never. I'll never be like that. The problem is sometimes things run away from you a little bit. They do. Yeah. It definitely could happen.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but that much. You have enough self-restraint that you would know. You like so I'd put you up on the night before. I'm like, I'm I don't want to get there.
SPEAKER_01:No, we get some boys' trip, we're out somewhere, everybody's like, okay, I'll drink this one time, and then you know.
SPEAKER_02:The way you're like wave wiggling your body around, like what kind of boys' trip is that's the other way he's doing it, it's very uh very Punjabi of me. No, not not at all. It's just very fine, it's very flamboyant, is what I'm saying. It's it's it's very like, oh, boy's trip and all this stuff. That's good. Like, thanks for inviting me on the East CJ. Is not like that.
SPEAKER_04:Uh one of our friends uh at the nursing home was running on the treadmill the other day. And he has a very uh interesting hip movement as he runs. It's very it's hilarious. Salsa dancing. It's yeah, the hip he like does this like very um I'm just gonna say it, very homosexual way of running. Really? Well, it seems like a lot of hip. It seems very like like a guy who's you know flamboyant would run, but he's not at all. And that's how I was like, I almost wanted to take a video of him and send it to him, but I didn't. Does he know? I told him about it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, can I guess? Do they listen to this podcast? I don't know if he listens. Uh he's running the 100k this uh September.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:He's a hockey player. Oh yeah. Okay. I'll I'll I'll make sure he knows if you guys are. How about this? Don't tell him, but next time he's doing like running, take a video of it. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_02:I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01:It's pretty fun to see this. I'm not one to criticize people for how people run.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, they run and I don't, so I can't really criticize them. So you know.
SPEAKER_01:What'd you do with your spot?
SPEAKER_02:What spot? Oh, uh refund. Oh, okay. So they they don't do anything else, they just give you a refund, then they fill that spot with somebody else. So I I have a credit now for next year. Yeah, you don't even do that which refunds. Ah man, if I if I if I can stretch it out, by the way, 30 minutes of stretching a day is awesome.
SPEAKER_01:For sure.
SPEAKER_02:Like, I just do 15 in the morning, 15 in the afternoon, I follow this YouTube kind of guy. I'm probably gonna keep it up after this 30 days goes up for us.
SPEAKER_01:I hope so. How's your breath work going? Uh I have a$50. What?
SPEAKER_02:But you would be one to miss and then keep going after it. Yeah, but I I missed. Why?
SPEAKER_04:I literally I literally the next day, I completely forgot about it. Completely forgot about it. I was like, oh no.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I don't know. Okay, I'm disappointed. Yeah, I'm not mad.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, just disappointed. I'm alright with that.
SPEAKER_02:Does this put you in the mood to have like a couple spongy?
SPEAKER_04:Couple sips I liked, and now I'm kind of that.
SPEAKER_01:The problem is is this I I do truly find this disgusting, but it's just it's just a flood of memories. And do you want to go and get shit face tonight? I would love to. I don't want to work tomorrow Thursday. Oh man. I also am not working. I I'm not willing to break my not drinking streak or just general premise, I guess, because it's not really a streak, but at some point we're gonna have to.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, eventually. I mean, it's not a big deal.
SPEAKER_01:Everything comes to an end.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's not like you're never gonna have alcohol in your entire life ever again.
SPEAKER_01:I I would like to have some white wine with my summer meals at some point. I don't like pithy statements like that.
SPEAKER_02:I like summer drinks. Winter drinks, like whatever. What's a winter drink? Guinness? Uh coffee and Bailey's. Yeah. Oh. Like that? Hot chocolate, Bailey's? Or just straight Bailey's.
SPEAKER_01:Like anything with Bailey's. Everything comes to an end though, Jason. Okay, that's really weird. We said that too.
SPEAKER_02:Feeling real boy strips vibes from uh CJ over here.
SPEAKER_01:It's gonna be just a boy's strip with you and me. Hey, we did it before. We did. Jason and I went on a trip not too long ago, just the two of us, and I'm pretty sure everybody thought we were together. Yeah, that's okay.
SPEAKER_02:To the point where someone booked us that hotel room with a jacuzzi suite, and there was only one bed in there, and they just booked one room for both of us. Yeah, like like it was like pretty like, hey, you guys have fun. Like, okay. We did. We had a good time. We had a great time.
SPEAKER_04:Did you use the jacuzzi?
SPEAKER_01:Not I did. Jason did.
SPEAKER_04:Because he didn't because he loved it. And then did you empty the water and lay in there soaking wet, waiting for him to come in? Your wet drowned rat look.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, curvy. Stall your chest hair all matted on your chest.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what it looked like when I'm out of the bath. It's all good. I'm good with it. I'm I don't like that you bathe.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm not a big fan of it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't like the way you say bathe.
SPEAKER_02:I like bath.
SPEAKER_03:It's not pronounced. I don't like the way you bath.
SPEAKER_02:You bath, you cold bath. It's the same. He doesn't. He literally doesn't.
SPEAKER_04:It's been a while. I was actually looking at it today, thinking I need to clean that water and use it again.
SPEAKER_03:What are you doing with that thing? It's sitting in my basement. Can I lease it from you?
SPEAKER_04:I don't want to talk about this.
SPEAKER_02:Even using it for the hot tub, like I would use it more probably for the hot tub.
SPEAKER_04:No, you can't. Like we did that once and it got de gross very quick. Because it's small and it I don't know if it like I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01:I'm being dead ass serious.
SPEAKER_03:We'll talk about this after the podcast. I want to lease your cold plunge.
SPEAKER_02:And then I could use it when I come here for these.
SPEAKER_04:Should I order, should I buy a bunch of them, and that's just be my new business plan is lease them out? No, it shouldn't. Okay. Damn.
SPEAKER_03:Um what's going on?
SPEAKER_04:I've been thinking about stuff. And I don't know if you do. I don't know if I want to get into it because it's like not super like kind of.
SPEAKER_01:I don't want to talk about politics.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, we are not talking about politics.
SPEAKER_01:I have not Canadian or American politics.
SPEAKER_02:Canadian.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely not. I have not been on Instagram, and I've hardly been on X for the last two weeks, and it has been liberating.
SPEAKER_03:I went down a rabbit hole that had been a little bit more than a little bit. Okay, let me ask you this undone.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, exactly. And let me ask you this though. And this is okay, we'll have to talk about it.
SPEAKER_03:What we were talking about. Well, no, but anyways. Anyways.
SPEAKER_04:Bring it up. Let's go. Well, I gotta go home now. You are home. You can't leave. So the idea, like I get this is like I get the uh sticking your head in the sand I think, like, because it's just like it feels like everything's futile, like what can we do? Like this is nothing I can do about it anyway, so I don't want to look at it. And I was thinking about this, and I'm like, okay, I understand that that desire to not want to talk about it and all that stuff. However, I feel like the fact that we live in a free country is the only reason that that's even an option for us. Do you know what I mean? Like, because we have freedom, we can choose to ignore it and just ignore what's going on from like the in the politics and stuff and still live our lives um without you know, with little effect necessarily so far. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. So it's like passive freedom. I I was kind of thinking about it in terms of like passive, like this, like passive freedom and this like active participant in freedom. This is kind of how I was viewing it. And I'm like, I think most people are just like, we were just lucky. We were born here so passively, we we just don't want to we want to ignore all the policies and all the politics and all the decisions being made um and just live our lives, which I get that I'm with you. However, I think that that is going to lead to the loss of freedom. That that passive freedom is gonna lead, and I'm not saying I know what the solution is because I don't, and that's what's frustrating me about this, but I think that that passivity in it is going to be the thing that allows bills, and I and again, what can we just stop it? I don't know, however, like bill like bills like CDC, it was it 2022, the one with the censorship bill, like the internet stuff, yeah, like last yeah, two years ago or whatever. Well, and they're trying to bring it back, but anyway, um bills like that to get passed through where people don't really even know what it is that the law that's got passed, and so they can't don't have the ability to maybe like like express their displeasure. I don't know what the goal is, but um, and then slowly things like that erode. Next thing you know, you can't say uh certain things on podcasts like this because if you do, uh you're gonna have to, there's a penalty to it for it, like either financially or literally like a criminal code offense for pissing somebody off who you shouldn't piss off. Um and so I've been thinking about like in terms of like this passive and active idea, and I'm like, I and I again I'm frustrated with it still because I'm like, well, I even if I want to be that active, like actively involved in some way so that I can say that, hey, like I'm trying, at least I'm aware of things that are going on, and I can try to do something to make a change or at least bring awareness or whatever the thing is. Um and yet, yet that requires so much effort to like try to understand what is going on, paying attention to the things that are going on, and then trying to figure out, okay, cool, but what does that mean? What can I actually do about it? Does it mean me writing a letter? Like, like how stupid does that sound? Or anyway, I've been like really stressing with this because of seeing a lot of the things with the new minister of public health and finance and immigration and these people who literally have no qualifications for the job they're put into and don't even understand the basics of the things that they're supposed to be in control of. Uh, and I was listening to uh that ex MP Michelle Ferrari, Freri, Ferrari, I think that's right. And that she's really good. She lost her seat this year, but she talks a lot about she's on a podcast that I'm listening to. Um, and she she still expresses like her that she's talking to this girl this lady who's like zero basically zero hope in Canada and she wants to move. And she still expresses like I understand where you're coming from, but I just think there's still hope here. And I'm like, but where? And like if so, and but I what I want to hear from her still, and I haven't finished the podcast, but I'm looking for the like okay, but how? Like, so if you're saying there's hope and there's ways to like do something about it, what is it? Like, point me, point us in the direction of what do we do?
SPEAKER_01:It does feel pretty futilist completely, I agree. But I think that there's a difference between just taking in all this bad news and having some type of frustration as a result of it versus maybe curating your experience a little bit. Uh then I guess that depends how much you want to curate it. I mean, I have purposely not been on Instagram and X mostly just because they're time wasters, and I'm trying to just control my time a little bit better. But I I think you could still like you can seek out news services or RSS feeds or newsletters, whatever, right? That you can stay in the loop without getting sucked into the social media aspect of it.
SPEAKER_04:I think, yeah, I I get that. And I and I I I agree, I but I think no, I do agree. I think what we have to do though is like almost pick something and become knowledgeable in it. Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like I couldn't tell you too much. I can I could complain about a lot of things that I see, but could I give you a detailed description of why BLC22 is bad, other than just a basic overview of things I've heard? No. And I think I'm I think that that is where we as people who are upset with some of the things we see going on should be better at. Um like almost like pick a thing, pick a thing that is pisses you off, maybe it's the gun, the gun stuff or whatever, and like, but then really like d understand it, like look into it and do some like learn. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:Like learn what a restricted firearm is.
SPEAKER_04:Well, not just yeah, yeah, not just that. I just mean like learn like your and your your position and I I think I'm bad with that from the politics side of it because like like you said, where we can sit here and complain all day.
SPEAKER_01:But is that a truly productive use of your energy? Picking a thing that at the outset it is a negative connotation versus saying I'm gonna pick the things that I'm excited or interested about and focus on those things. I mean, I've been highly focused on Bitcoin in the last two months, and I think it's paying some dividends, literally and not literally. And I get a lot more personal satisfaction picking on picking out those things that I that give me energy, not sure.
SPEAKER_04:And I but I yeah, but like for you, like I think from a political standpoint, like like education would be a thing that especially because like my kids are I mean, they're still gonna be in the education system for a while, but like you haven't even entered the education system.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like I think that something like that where it's like, well, I want to understand my options and where this is headed and uh what can I do to influence like potentially but but also I think that if you again it depends what you want to focus on because we only have so much time in the day, you only have so much mental bandwidth to focus on these things, and I am the worst offender in this is that if you get spread two things because too many things are interesting or too many things draw your attention, yeah, nothing gets done and certainly not done well, right? Completely. And so if I only have you know X number of percent of my attention available for these things outside of the things I'm obligated to do in a day, I'd like to focus on putting it towards the things that A interest me and B have a high, like a high leverage aspect to it, in that I can generate wealth or it'll improve my family life or my personal life or my whatever desires, dreams, goals. And so the end result of that would be hopefully I'm wealthy enough. Wealthy enough. Because I don't speak. Hopefully I'm wealthy enough that then maybe those things aren't even an issue in that I'm not beholden to the public education system or I have the ability to be mobile outside of the confines of this country or stuff like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm I I'm not saying, and again, this we fucking change every two months what's what's going on, but that is currently where my head is at.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, no, I I get that. I I yeah, I I I guess I guess I've been struggling with trying to find a way, like in a productive way to like see like see what's going on. But it feels like a zero-sum game. I I know, I know it does.
SPEAKER_03:But it but it shouldn't, but it shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_02:You guys make fun of me for years about that. I just I stopped. Just stop.
SPEAKER_01:I know, but there's a difference between just stopping versus and I'm not saying that you're not doing this, but that's one thing just to be ignorant and then just continue doing the same thing versus saying I'm gonna ignore this in lieu of paying attention to something else that has a lot more leverage to it or a lot more possibility to it, whatever, right? Um and I'm again I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think it's I don't think it's gonna go the way of the demol like a dictatorship. Like like probably not, but I don't know. I don't know, man. Like some they I I I grocked at it and they gave four examples of recent countries that did this democratic backsliding is what it's called, where in every example Turkey, Hungary, Nicaragua always started with a leader getting in and starting to ban to ban a lot of things, and and then eventually over like a mostly about a 10-year period, ended up just turning into a hybrid dictatorship or a dictatorship.
SPEAKER_01:I just feel like the problem is is, and especially I just again I picture Joe Middle class sitting in his room watching news uh at dinner time or sitting in his kitchen watching dinner news and then being frustrated about it, and then continuing to do the same thing day after day, getting up, going to work your nine to five, you know, whatever, without any actual pursuit of goals or passions or things that have a potential to, you know, remove yourself from this quote unquote system, versus saying, okay, this is fucked. I can either sit here and be upset about it and continue to focus on all this, and because you like the politics is a wormhole. Yeah. Versus being like, this is fucked. How do I set myself up in 10 years if I need to have the mobility or the financial status or whatever, or the uh some type of entrepreneurial career fuck me, I can't even talk. Entrepreneurial career where I can get the hell out if I need to.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Like uh again, like personal excellence, like focusing on that because in the end, that will give you that out.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm really I this has been on my brain a lot is I I often wonder how many people feel the same way I feel. Yeah. And it always feels like a really small number. And I'm sure it's not.
SPEAKER_02:It's probably not.
SPEAKER_01:It can't be. Yeah, it literally can't be. I mean, there's a quote by um oh fuck, I can't remember his name, but basically Tim somebody, Tim, Tim, not Tim Leary, but Sylvia Pool. It doesn't matter. It's basically like, hey, if you're sitting there thinking like, you know, there's nobody out here else that feels the exact same way about the way I feel about all these same things, it's like guaranteed there's somebody out there having the exact same thought you are right now.
SPEAKER_02:So all four of these countries all had government media alignment, so they would uh like all four of them Hungary, Venezuela, Nicaragua, all recently too, in the last 20 years. That that's I don't like I don't like hearing that.
SPEAKER_04:I I don't know. Like I think I think that like Jason, I I up to for all fairness, I think that you are too optimistic about it. I think that you I like to just I think yeah, but hope's get hope's useless.
SPEAKER_02:Hope in lieu of what with hope not tied to action or hope not tied to or like any country that you think you could live where you could just be like, I just trust my government all the way.
SPEAKER_01:No, of course not. No, but if you have if you have an abundance of capital, especially not tied up in a single nation's currency, right? Or in a bank in a bank, you're gonna have a lot of options. That's not me. Participating did my whole life policies.
SPEAKER_02:I have like 200 pesos in my drawer.
SPEAKER_01:Bro, you should be buying Bitcoin. Buy some vanilla. That's not financial advice, but you should be buying fucking Bitcoin.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not going down that rabbit hole again, buddy.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not saying join us in crypto 2022. I'm saying that Bitcoin is likely gonna become the next gold standard.
SPEAKER_04:Welcome to the Easy Mode Podcast.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, I'll drink to that because we have one drink left. Let's do it. It's gonna be horrible.
SPEAKER_04:Did you get another atypic?
SPEAKER_02:Atypic mojito. Oh, God. Well, it's probably better than the mojitos. So mojito.
SPEAKER_01:Mojito. Let's talk about Bitcoin, Jason.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know what? I'm gonna leave this to JB. JB, if you want to talk about Bitcoin, let's talk about Bitcoin.
SPEAKER_04:Uh I have some. I have. Not much. Well, I I don't know. I yeah, not I can get more. I should get more. You don't have any Bitcoin right now?
SPEAKER_02:Maybe just some left in the wallet from hate to say back in the day. Is it back in the day? Is it crazy up? No.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's not that it's crazy. I and I think that's the wrong question to ask.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I thought that's why you were bringing it up or something like that. Oh no, is it?
SPEAKER_01:You gotta ask the right questions.
SPEAKER_02:What's the right question here?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know what the right question is, but I don't like that question.
SPEAKER_02:It's not it's not I mean I I don't mind that. It's kind of sweet like a mojito would be, but not as sweet as I like my mojitos.
SPEAKER_01:What do you where do you see Bitcoin in 10 years? The same spot. And that might be the problem. Is if you see it differently, then there might be some large upside to having a good amount of your capital tied up in it. Or at least. Like XRP? Right.
SPEAKER_02:But the thing is like honestly, what is the ultimate usability of let's say like a Bitcoin or Ethereum? In the grand scheme of do you ever think the capital you can't lump them together?
SPEAKER_04:That's a problem. You have to be Bitcoin is separate.
SPEAKER_01:You can't lump them it with like Ethereum and Solana and Yeah, I think Bitcoin has something like 70% of the market, whereas Ethereum has eight.
SPEAKER_02:Would there ever be government agencies that use cryptocurrency?
SPEAKER_01:For sure. There's a reason right now that the US and many other countries are creating a strategic Bitcoin reserve. Because, like gold, it's fairly evident. At this point, that Bitcoin will be the next money standard in that like people have reserves of wealth tied up in it. So it makes then a lot of sense to control a part of that or to have a part of that for yourself. Um, and there's some very smart people. Kathy Wood, have you listened to the podcast with her on the diary of CEO? No, no, strongly recommend it. She's a hedge fund manager, manager, and manages something like$30 billion of assets or whatever. And she historically and her researchers have been very right about their predictions. And she says, based on a lot of factors, Bitcoin will likely in the next five years crest over a million dollars due to its deflationary aspect, or like sorry, not deflationary, but like a scarcity of it, right? Because there's only so many. Under 100k. Bitcoin? It's 109.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it went up. Okay. All right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it's been it's been moving sideways pretty much. But here's the thing the price isn't the issue, right? The the thing is that right now you have the potential to own probably what will be the next uh monetary standard in the world that is very portable across nation borders uh at hypothetically a discount or hypothetically, you know, early on still.
SPEAKER_02:So 2016, I was on a class with the uh nursing home in Vancouver, and someone came in and gave this exact talk about Bitcoin, and it was about$300 a coin at that point, and none of us in the room bought it. Right.
SPEAKER_01:And the risk you run now is making the same mistake you made nine years ago.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
unknown:Go buy some fucking Bitcoin.
SPEAKER_01:Don't, don't. I'm gonna FOMO.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna FOMO all over my not financial advice. That fear of missing out is something. It is, and I hate it when it's something because of cryptocurrencies.
SPEAKER_04:But it's something because it uh it happens. Like you miss out. And so because it has happened in the past to either you or somebody you know, or like I mean, uh, the whole Bitcoin thing, like I l I remember specifically hearing it in a Joe Rogan podcast in 2010, talking to some dude, and it was like it was like a dollar or less back then. And I was l I I like I remember working in my base, I know what I was doing, and I was like, I need to go, I should go buy a hundred bucks of this, is what I thought at the time. I got was busy doing some rentals in my basement, didn't think of it again. And again, like sure, you probably would have sold it uh billion like uh during the process of it going up to a hundred thousand dollars, but so it's like that FOMO. I mean, it happens, and that's just like hindsight's 2020. Any any stock you can think of, Tesla. Oh, I should have bought Tesla when it first came out, whatever, right? Um, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I just want you to be successful, okay, and make good decisions.
SPEAKER_02:So if you had, let's say, uh just regular investments going in, all you had right now, let's say, was 10% of your earnings that you make you like to free play with, essentially, um, which is kind of luckily we're knock on wood where we're sitting right now. Would you rather go to a life insurance policy or cryptocurrency?
SPEAKER_01:I would rather do neither. Okay, and that's it. And I'm gonna cave this by saying not financial advice, you're asking me shit I know nothing about. I think that diversification is super important. And it's not all or none. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Uh however, however, if you have the capital, so again, for those who have heard this, I'm sorry. But for the for the idea of um the participating dividend paying whole life showers policy, it's the mutual fund stuff. Uh mutual. Well, it's basically it's called infinite banking. So um the idea of that is that your money is your money is put in there, and then now I can use that money for so the idea was like I would put it there first, and then I would use that, I would take it and put and to do both. I would take the money out from not my money, but I get that, but I'd take the money out and I would use that to invest somewhere over here, assuming that you're making more than whatever it is that you've um you're paying on interest over there. But that would be in the ideal world, if you had some capital, that's that's what I'm currently doing. And I I I see a light at the end of the tunnel in a lot of in a lot of ways for uh the system that we're using.
SPEAKER_01:So I think I think you need to do kind of all at once or have systems in place where you can your sole goal is wealth creation, and however you do that through real estate investments, dividend pertaining, dividend paying, participating whole life insurance policies, cryptocurrency, whatever, right? Because the last thing you want to do is put all your eggs in one basket and then have it go to shit.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:TFSAs, I think, are still an awesome thing. TFAs are TFSAs are brilliant.
SPEAKER_02:My wife is all about the TFSAs.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I if I it was up to me, and I actually one of our friends uh so the RRSP thing, I I just personally don't think it's uh a good idea. Um if you have money in RSP, I'm not saying you made bad decisions. I've some someone felt that way when they heard last time we talked about it. I'm not saying that at all. Like I don't again, I don't I'm an idiot, but um just the benefit of having you access to your money and not having to pay an unknown tax later on in life to me seems especially the way the country's going.
SPEAKER_01:Um well and and RSPs are predicated on the presumption that hey when you're when you're older, you know, you're not gonna live such an extravagant lifestyle. You're not gonna need as much money per year, so it's okay, right? Like that you well, no, actually, when I'm 60, I want to live the same dollar cost lifestyle without all the overhead and just enjoy life more. Yeah. So I don't know. I also exited from our RSPs completely last year. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and again, like if you if you have uh we're just saying there's other options out there, that's all we're saying. We're not saying the the fan if you have a bunch of money in it, it's not a bad thing. It's just there are other options out there that I think give you a bit more freedom and a bit more flexibility. Um, and that's why I like what I'm we're doing currently. I just feel like I have more control over my own money than um somebody else has.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think you need you need to have strategic rules in place to prevent yourself from getting lost in FOMO or getting lost in the shiny thing. And you know, your portfolio, holy fuck, not again, we're idiots, right? But if if your portfolio is comprised of 50% Tesla, that's a problem, right? Um, if you think that you're gonna beat the markets and out trade the S P 500 or index funds, you're wrong over time. Yeah, you've you will always be proven wrong over a long period of time, right? So make good decisions. Man, I wish they taught this in school. I I do too, right? They completely need to.
SPEAKER_02:And we're talking about there's too many, like I understand that they can't teach it in school because honestly, there's so many avenues to venture off, and then school will try to make importance out of one of them, and it'll probably be like RSP, like it would be a simple no, it would be simple.
SPEAKER_04:No, it would be a simple conversation. It wouldn't have to be like specific. It wouldn't be like, okay, take 20.
SPEAKER_02:I disagree.
SPEAKER_04:No, it would it wouldn't have to be specific. Like from a from a financial teaching kid.
SPEAKER_02:They would make it specific.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but they my point is to teach it, you don't have to. Oh, you're right, you're right. It would be okay, here's how you make a budget. Here's a portion of your money you should consider putting somewhere that will that you can invest or that can you can store someplace so that again, you should have a rainy day fund or like an emergency fund so that if something happens and you're your washing machine blows up, you it's not like what am I gonna do? Credit card.
SPEAKER_02:Like well, that's the credit card, I think, is is when my like if if when my kids get older or kids right now who are like teenagers, I think the majority of their funding and stuff they'll be done on credit.
SPEAKER_04:Which is fine if you teach them that you pay that off every single month. I don't think they're getting taught that.
SPEAKER_01:But but here's the thing to what Just to what JB's saying, and I was never taught this, and I was a very bad offender of this for many years. If you don't A, if you don't pay attention to where your money goes, you don't have information to make decisions, and B, if you spend more money per every 30 or 60 day cycle, whatever, than you than you make, you are setting yourself up for failure. Yeah, it's pretty basic math. So and I was never taught that as a kid. My parents are super awkward about talking about money. Mine were two. Right? And it and and that is that is something that going forward as a parent, uh, talking about money, talking about what you spend on stuff, talking about how you save and invest and assets and and and wealth is fucking important.
SPEAKER_02:I'm so mad that I didn't start. Even the simplest thing that we're doing with our kids is like you get four dollars of allowance per week, three bucks is yours, one dollar we have a separate piggy bank, and it goes in there. So we're we're trying to institute like just 10% of your earnings every time, whatever you like, and I we've started doing that this year, is whatever we make, whatever we pull in, 10% of that is gone automatically off the top into an investment.
SPEAKER_01:And dude, if you had started that window. Oh, I don't want to do that. If you just save 10% of your income from 18 to 40, yeah, I know. You'd probably be a millionaire right now.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's nuts. Even just like off the top, and you just you pretend it doesn't exist, and that's all I've been doing, and I've loved it so far.
SPEAKER_01:Well, pretend it doesn't exist, but then do put your money to work for you. Yeah, exactly. Right, it's buy an asset, buy a asset.
SPEAKER_02:I don't touch it, it just goes and does stuff. Yeah, which I I wish that my and and my parents are awesome. This is not talking about, but they never talked about that. It was always awkward with money because they we sold the far, like they they they're very, they they're fairly well off, but it it it always is awkward, and I don't know why.
SPEAKER_04:It's a generation thing. I think that generation was very much like, hey, you don't talk about religion, politics, money. Like I don't know. I think you're right.
SPEAKER_01:Money is a thing that you just they didn't talk about it. And I and I I think that sometimes we get lost in the traps of shiny things. Like, you know, the one person we used to work with that was all about investments and always saying, like, hey, buy this stock, buy this stock. Still investing totally, and and and and if it's your thing and you do it all the time, fine. But you lose the forest in the trees there when it's like buy the stock. Okay, no, no, no. Hey, if you want to allocate like two to five percent of your portfolio to the stock, go for it. But generally, here's some good practices to follow, right? And some of those conversations I don't think happen.
SPEAKER_02:I I find it different for us too, because like literally, we all with overtime and stuff, it's a little different, but we generally make the same. And we and I I don't know what it'd be like in a in a private business or a corporate world where you don't know what your coworkers are making and no one really talks about it, I feel it'd be a lot different than what we have.
SPEAKER_01:I think it matters, I think it wouldn't matter.
SPEAKER_02:I like I want to say I like what we have because I like we're all kind of on the same page.
SPEAKER_01:Right, but I also believe that if we didn't all make the same thing, we're like close enough friends that we would still talk about the money. We would and all that stuff. I think if if you if you had coworkers, we were all really good friends you could talk about. I think it's just important to have people to talk about money with. Completely.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because if you talk about money, well then it's on the forefront of your mind, and then you can make good decisions about it, right? Versus it's the same thing like, oh, I don't want to look at my freaking bank account this month because I just know it's a fucking pile of hot garbage. Okay, well, that's not gonna solve your problems.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that was me a couple weeks ago, learning. Yeah, you just gotta, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I I didn't look at my bank account till today when I took that overtime and dumped it on the credit card from Vegas. So now now I'm back into good books in in my mind.
SPEAKER_04:I I just think with the kids, it's just like you gotta obviously speak to their their ability to understand. But like my daughter turns 16 next year, and like we'll be I'll I'll be gonna get her credit card right away. Um, we're gonna have a conversation about that. Hey, use this, use this, but you're think about I have to pay this amount. This if the amount that you're using it, that money that's not in your bank account by the end of the month, that doesn't work. You have to pay this off every single month. It's it is so handy to have, it works really well, it's a great product until you start carrying a balance on it. Then it's not good.
SPEAKER_01:And and truly, don't don't spend money that you haven't accounted for already. Right? Like you don't use credit unless you truly need credit. And then don't use credit unless you have the ability to pay for that plus.
SPEAKER_04:So I think I I I think I I think I hear what you I think I agree with what you're saying. I just don't I guess I uh I think I but I use a credit card for absolutely everything, uh, because there's benefits to it, right? Like the points and the things that you can get off of. Totally, as do I think. But you're paying it off though. So it's oh yeah, completely. Every single month you get paid off full in full. Um, but that that's the thing is like I think that at a young age, if you teach them like this is valuable, this is worth doing for these reasons. Like if you're credit history, number one. So as uh you start building credit history at a young age, when you just if you decide you need to go borrow money for something, you have some history, so you're gonna have a better chance at that. Dude, etc.
SPEAKER_01:It's just at a young age, and again, I was the worst offender for this is if you're making a thousand dollars a month, but you're putting fifteen hundred dollars on your credit card a month, yeah, or whatever your monthly expenses are fifteen hundred dollars, you are set up for failure. Yeah. And I think sometimes, I mean, at some point, I I used to love driving new trucks. What there's a point where you're like, okay, this is a waste of money. Yeah. And you know, if you if you again, if you spend more than that, did you enjoy learning that lesson though?
SPEAKER_02:No, but I needed to.
SPEAKER_01:I enjoyed I you enjoyed driving the new trucks.
SPEAKER_02:No, yeah, it's worth the price of admission for some people though, for the new vehicles.
SPEAKER_01:I don't I don't know if it is. I think I think if you are tied to your what the other people's perse like for vehicles, right? If you're tied to other people's perceptions of you, oh you know, he drives a nice truck, he must be doing well, keeping up with the Joneses, whatever, versus saying like I don't give a shit what I drive because it does not line up with my financial goals. It took me a long time to learn that.
SPEAKER_04:I still struggle with that, not that I I don't know. I still struggle with like the in my head with wanting things like for I whatever you like a new pair of shoes, a new like whatever. Like things that aren't I don't think you'll ever get over it. Things that aren't super super expensive, and then being like, I don't need that. Like, and then I I'm I I luckily at what point do you do though? Like sure, but I look right now. I'm lucky that I err on the side of I usually like have go into a store and have four things in my hand and leave with nothing. That uses all usually almost how how it goes 90% of the time. Like I just don't get things, and then it's but then our friend Tony is always bugging me. He's like, get off your wallet, like go get something nice.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I know we've had the discussion, you know, die with Ciro, and there is obviously there's a balance to it, but there's an intelligent balance to it. Right. Uh built off some very foundational rules.
SPEAKER_02:But you need to learn it because like I to be fair, I made some big purchases after hanging out with him, Tortoni, for a couple days. Um, but like we were camping with my parents, and this a couple days ago, they're complaining that Neil Young Tickets, who is like that that's their that's their god from back in the day. Neil Young is the guy. His tickets were$500 a ticket or whatever for this concert. And there's 70. I'm like, at what at what point do you say yes to this? Like you need to do it now, and and they would not budge. And it kind of got me nuts again. Like I understand the dialogue, like I don't I think they're too late in the game to change.
SPEAKER_01:But that's where you think if you're early in the game early enough that you can say I can delay some gratification now, yeah, so that when I'm 50, it's not gonna matter how much those tickets are because money truly won't be in and uh that's the goal. I mean, is it realized? No, obviously not. Um and that's why I get I just get really disheartened when I I talk to people, not so much in our line of work, but people in general that are just committed to like I'm just gonna be an employee for 30 years and then I'm gonna live off my pension, or I'm gonna live off my RSPs.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, you could live off the pension, I guess, if you're I I don't think pension's enough. Yeah, like it's probably enough for a moderate lifestyle if your house is paid off.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it depends what your expenses are.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. But but yeah, well, but the thing is like what do you what do you need? Like in the end, what and and some people I don't I don't know. I like I what what motivates some people? Some people like the idea of just a comfort being comfortable, um same same house, same car, same job, uh whether they're gonna retire, they're gonna sit and drink their beer on the porch. Totally.
SPEAKER_01:It depends what motivates you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like it's interesting, right? Because like that to some people that sounds great, and to other people just sounds like death, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's I I can only speak for what my dreams and goals are, but you talk to people that say that and they say, you know, I'm gonna retire, and then I'm just gonna go mow grass at the golf course and I'll be really happy. Great, dude. Great. But that's not my dream, right? And so it it is obviously predicated on what your dreams are and how loftier they are, or what your vision of your future is like. I just I think that at least for me, like wealth creation is the goal right now. And it's important.
SPEAKER_04:Is it important to you or is it important to that's that's not not the right question. Why is it important to you? Is it I know you I know it's because you value time, but is it because you're also looking at like from your children's perspective, like giving them something? Yeah, or do you care about that?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, of course, a hundred percent. I I think we all probably look at how we, you know, look at our parents or look at how we grew up and you know what what that lifestyle looked like. And I had a great childhood. I mean, didn't really ever know of any money struggles if there were any, but I think that it would be important to me because you want to leave your kids something. You don't want your kids, you know. It was say say your kids want to start a business and they come to you and then you say, Dad, I have this great idea, I want to start a business, I need a hundred thousand dollars. I want to be able to say, Yeah, right, well, let's do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right. I I like the and I this sounds bad, but like I I'm not gonna go to them hand in hand, but if something happened, I like to the fact that I can know that I can go to my parents. Like if something bad happened in my life and I needed like a hundred grand, I could go to my parents and there's a comfort to build like a comfort net there where I know they would they would provide and they have the ability to, and I I would like that for my kids as well. Yeah, and there are certain milestones in my life where they provided like uh an amount of money, just like the first time home. Like, here's a good check, you know. There you go, this will help out. And that that kind of stuff, I really want to be able to do that, and that would be my motivation to build wealth now.
SPEAKER_01:For sure.
SPEAKER_02:But I mean, granted, I'm 40, but you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01:And and again, it's never too late to do that, to focus on that. I mean, the only real risk is just to never focus on if that is a personal goal and it depends on you and the person and whatever, but wealth is important because I also just don't want to. I've always had this voice in my head being like, you know, you're just gonna be the same. It's gonna you're gonna want to do these things, you're gonna think about these things, but the end of the day, you're gonna work 35 years and then you're gonna retire and you're gonna do the same things that maybe you're seeing your parents do. And I just don't want to be I don't want that to be the story.
SPEAKER_04:I think I struggle with vision sometimes, uh like looking into my future and having a clear idea of what I want it to look like. And I don't know why that is. I I I struggle with I have thought about this a lot actually, like recently. Like, what is it that I want to do when I'm you know what I mean? Like physically do? What is it that I am looking forward to doing? Um I don't know, 10 years from now. Is it is it traveling? Is it and like do I care about traveling? I don't even I don't know, do I? Is it sitting on a porch reading a book?
SPEAKER_02:Is it but all those would be made easier with like a financial wealth? Sure.
SPEAKER_04:Like they would sure, but I guess like I think that I it's been actually bugging me that it's like what what is the goal? Like I that's the thing. What is it? What is the goal? And like, sure, if the the goals if the goal is make money, but like why?
SPEAKER_01:But and that's maybe where I've been clear on that. Because some it's really easy to think about things, right? Right. My goal, yeah. I want a fucking house on a lakefront with a boat and a nice piece of property and whatever. That's a thing, but ultimately the goal, I just want my time. I just want ultimate control of being. I'm going to do this today because there are no barriers to it, time-wise, financially, whatever that looks like.
SPEAKER_04:And that's that's the problem I think with things, and and I agree, like there's you can think of things that you would like, oh, that'd be awesome. But things in the end, uh it's like, I mean, you on small scales, like, oh, you've really you've worked really hard and you saved up and you wanted to buy that PlayStation 5, and you're a kid and you bought it, and this is like, oh now what? I have it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, that's the kiss that motivation to get it, and then as soon as you got it, you'll it's the whole idea of mean is gone.
SPEAKER_04:like it's the whole like the essence of Buddhism. It's like the attainment of things is leads to nothing because in the end you get that thing and that that there's no you you didn't get that like nirvana of like yeah I got it life is complete. It's like oh okay now what?
SPEAKER_01:Which I think that speaks to maybe a really aggressive pursuit of short term goals with a long term vision being maybe more generic of hey I just I want to have my time and I want to have fuck you money for lack of better words.
SPEAKER_04:Sure but then it's like like I sure but then it's like why? Well why because it gives you your time.
SPEAKER_01:It gives you your time right it gives you your time gives you the ability to unquestionably provide for your friends and family.
SPEAKER_04:I'm good with that and then but then I'm back to the okay cool now I have my time. Now what am I doing what do what is it that I is valuable to me to spend all of my time doing it.
SPEAKER_02:If you have the time you'll discover that something else something you're interested in. Yeah. And the only way you're gonna truly discover it for yourself is with that time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah but no no yes but no if you if you always work on the assumption that I'm I'm only ever going to discover the thing I'm interested in if I have the time to do it and the only way I'm ever going to have the time to do it is to have the money to have the time you're never going to you you have to get ahead of that cycle at some point.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah circular yeah like I think I I think most people have an idea of what they like I mean their passion I mean it's interesting I I can't remember what podcast it was but they're talking about one topic and all of a sudden they end up in another topic and and in that transition you could hear the change in tone because they're passionate more way more passionate about that next thing that they're talking about.
SPEAKER_01:Well you even talking about like I can I'm sure people listening to this will notice a change in passion between fucking Canadian politics and this topic right?
SPEAKER_04:But like I'm not but I wouldn't say that I'm passionate about that. I mean I I think I'm sure right I knew I see what you're saying I get what you're saying I I I get riled up about that and I guess that is passion in some in some way um but I would definitely not say that it's something that I could I it's not productive passion right it's it's frustration or it's emotion or for me I I think when I I what when I feel like I'm there's no effort to me to bring energy is training is training.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah but then I'm gonna ask you the question and and you I mean obviously the nursing home you're teaching people how to you know put uh put medication into people and stuff like that. Uh-huh but what does that look like in the future I don't know I don't know yeah because if you if you are truly passionate about that well you're gonna have to find a way to follow your passion.
SPEAKER_04:I think it's I think it's where you're talking about that that personal excellence and personal wellness and that you're that's your drive in a lot of things. I feel like I'm with you there but I I I actually find more value in trying to trying to motivate people other people to want to do that for themselves. Do you know what I'm saying? I think that like leans to training as well because I think it like they tied together but I think that's what it is for me.
SPEAKER_02:I I want people I I get I get energy from that from uh trying to push people in that direction of uh personal wellness personal excellence personal health like a positive energy vampire yeah I don't think I'm a vampire I'm a vampire I'm like an opposite like a negative energy vampire but yeah Jason what's what what gets you going being an energy vampire no I I I don't like I like the conversation that he started because we are all at that point in our we're past that halfway and now it's time to think about like we we don't got much time at the nursing home left and we got to think about the future and I don't know and that's probably like my wife's like what's your plans after I'm like I have like I I have I don't know I I I just don't know and something I've been lucky is things just present themselves at the right time in my life.
SPEAKER_04:So maybe something will present itself at the right time Yeah but I can't I don't think you can rely on that I think and I hear what you're saying because I'm I'm with you like I don't know what I want to do I I think that you I think that again you me everyone who's listening who's potentially in the same kind of age range if you don't have that answer and I don't have that answer I think it's you have to like search that out I think you have to I'm not saying you have to start I like really uh thinking about what is what do I find valuable um my wife and I did this course a couple years ago we talked about I think on this on this podcast but just quickly um it was essentially talking about like um setting goals setting goals and then setting goals based on your values and values is actually a really interesting discussion because there are like what are your personal values and and it's very easy to like pop top of the head be like oh it's this this and this because you know they should be those things but then the question is okay your personal values should be dictated in where you spend your time so if you say family is a value and that because you know that's the thing you should say but you're not putting any time into your family you can't say that's if you value it. And if you can say it's something I want to value but if it's like if it's not something that you've carved time out to go do that thing then you're just saying you just you're saying it because you know you should say it. But it but your what what you spend your time doing and where you spend your your minutes of your day will tell you what you value. Whether or not you want it to be true or not. It just is what it is. And so it's interesting thinking about that. So it's like okay and if it's not aligning with what you want to be then there's a problem. It's that cognitive dissonance as they say where there's a problem whether the person you would want to be or the th maybe you think you are but then when you really drill down to it you start thinking am I like do I do I value that because I don't show it. Yeah that's probably an important conversation to have with yourself.
SPEAKER_01:Hugely important certainly with your spouse.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly and that is why so we did this thing together and like and again I you take things away and then you slip back to doing the same some of the same shit you did before right and so you have it's always that battle of like okay bringing yourself back and hopefully starting to sway the balance in that direction but I think if you ever haven't really thought about that in your life you have to really start focusing on that especially as you're getting older and you start thinking about like my kids could be out of the house in eight years uh no less six years both my kids could be out of the house and it's like okay then what? So then it's my wife and I and it's like yeah we get along and everything's good but it's like if we don't have an idea of like what are we filling our time with here what is it what is important to us and what is the idea for our future going forward because I'm not like I I know we'll all be I'll be 48 which sounds old to some of you out there but I I swear to God I will not feel old. And so it's like like I don't feel old now. So it's like and I know time perception's crazy but um I'm under 50 and it's like okay well we have now our time is our own we it's not like our kids sure they'll need us from time to time here and there and we'll go do the things but like in the end it's like no it's like if you haven't figured out what it is that you as a as a couple and as a a as a married couple like to do want to do together and spend your time with together then I think things could go bad.
SPEAKER_02:Oh and you see that all the time with people becomes empty nesters and they realize oh now it's just you and me and then they have marriage trouble to get divorced all this kind of staying together for the kids. Right? Yeah until the kids move out and then guess what? Now it's you two and nobody else. For sure have fun.
SPEAKER_01:And you need to have things you want to do together but you also need to have the things you want to do for yourself.
SPEAKER_04:Completely completely but and and that but that's a conversation that if it hasn't been had and all of a sudden you're facing it and you haven't thought about that and you're sitting there like okay what do we what are we gonna do tonight? Oh yeah and you're like well we just watched TV for the last week and a half at night and I like I'm bored that I want to do something. Everything's a killer the phones the freaking TV everything's a killer because it's a time suck and it's easy to get sucked into it. But then all of a sudden you're looking around you're like I am not happy.
SPEAKER_01:Yep yeah I I honestly think one of the hardest things for human beings to do is to bridge the gap between talking about these things and then action 100% for sure yeah and because the the risk and this is this lives in my head every day is I don't want to just like talk about it for 35 years and then be like well coulda shoulda woulda but at some point you just gonna have to turn and be like all right it's time to go. Buy Bitcoin do something right do something other if if and and maybe you know like I I think there are people in our line of work that that is their calling that is their passion and purpose I'm gonna hazard a guess to say that generically that's not any of our passion or purpose. No I think there's a difference between competence and enjoyment and being good at your job versus like a true passion.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah it's interesting right like I I I'm with you for sure on that like I yeah I I had I like I like it I like I'll do it till I'm 25 years done doing it.
SPEAKER_02:Does value all the things uh but I agree it does what it needs to do it's provided it's it's providing and will provide my my family a good life you just can't let the comfort of that yeah prevent you from trying to do other stuff yeah right exactly and and truly I think you'd have to be willing to say if the opportunity prevented itself presented itself present itself present itself if the opportunity presented itself you'd have to make some hard choices about do I keep doing the comfortable thing or do I take some risk?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and do I take do this thing that's probably going to generate a lot of fear or a lot of uncomfortableness and focus on this thing because the upside is pretty high.
SPEAKER_02:Well that's we never had that either though so if I look at my family like my dad is a farmer and we grew up on a farm I I never thought about it until this weekend we were talking and I'm like what would you do if like you just didn't make it work one year and like hail destroyed everything and the insurance didn't pay like what would you do? He's like yeah he's like I live with that and I'm like I've never had to live with that because we essentially have a renewable paycheck like a renewable resource every two weeks coming into our account because of our job and we're protected in our job being that we're that paycheck's going to be there probably every two weeks for the remainder of our time but if you're in a corporate area or a private industry like that or a farmer you don't have that comfort. Ah but I think you figure it out I think you you do but I mean it's it's a fear that I have never had to really worry about.
SPEAKER_01:True and I I mean this is really relevant to some reading I was actually doing today uh talking about kind of like exploring those fears and maybe writing things down you know what is the worst thing that could happen what is the best thing that could happen you know like lay those things out very specifically okay I have to sell my house I have to move in with my parents I have to rent a house because I can't afford it like it I think once you name those fears it becomes a little easier to confront. Yeah um and again probably gonna work the next 11 years right and collect your pension and oh we're all one job off our way it's got to be a good job. Yeah I don't want a job I don't want another job.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah I agree I agree no no JB's gonna rest easy does the lip and the lip and chin rest well I gotta pick up my kids from basketball to be fair it's good to pick up I no I I I think this is a valuable conversation because I think it's something that people um I think a lot of people again it's like how many other people feel this way right I think a lot of people think that think of these things or at least they've in passing thought of them and they don't I I we are lucky like it's uh to be honest we're super lucky to have this to sit here and talk about this stupid stuff and like stupid and good stuff but like and just have to have have friends in general that we can have these conversations with and and um who are on the same page and you know whereas some people I just they don't have that they don't have that in the whatever they're at so uh I that is one thing about like working at nursing home that has been amazing and providing with that like you know similar mind and similar minded people and that kind of stuff. But if you don't have that in your life I mean you got to seek it out. You got to try to find the those like minded communities or people that you can have these conversations with and um because you got to set around yourself people who are trying to push you to to you know think big think about big things and you know push yourself to be better in finances or wellness or health or whatever the thing is.
SPEAKER_01:Otherwise you're just getting and take some some calculated risks right take some risk or try and face those fears and then make some some maybe at times hard decisions. It's easy for human beings to be comfortable. Completely what if the pension isn't there yeah right like what if yeah if they said to you tomorrow hey uh apologies we made some mistakes and it's gone I think suddenly you'd be like man I oh I have some hard decisions to make right uh you're probably like honestly like if that if that hypothetically happened you'd be like oh maybe my next 11 years don't look like I thought they were going to be 100% be different yeah it would for a lot for most people yeah and I I I I guess I wonder what the upside to that would be is I'm I'm just really trying to not let the comfort of that preclude me from taking you know calculated risks or being alive to opportunities that might present themselves within that time frame.
SPEAKER_04:It's a scary thought it's such a scary thought I keep trying to like remind myself and talk because I I everyone likes being comfortable I like being comfortable like sitting on the couch watching TV but it's like comfort is the death of growth for sure it's true it's it's it's the death it's it is death and like it sucks because it's nice. Yeah it's nice but you have to like moderate moderation you have to moderate it somehow you have to you have to force yourself off that couch to go do something that um you know has is valuable.
SPEAKER_01:Oh and we're just stuck in this I I I I mean I guess I hope that people listening to this whether we work with them or doing other things are just alive to the fact that there's life is short and there's probably more well there for sure is more to it than just banking on that underlying kind of amount of comfort that we have and and can be like hey okay you know I'm really passionate about snowboarding and I want to go find a way to do something with that or whatever the thing is right um because it is the death of growth and or the the worst case scenario would be is you end up 60 years old and say fuck I wish I would have done that or I could have done that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah yeah you lose your ability to do things as you get older if you haven't noticed yeah 100% you get old and hurt right your knees and stuff. Knee singular but yes okay well I hope you found value in this I I um politics are a pain in the ass but I I Hey we stayed generally away from the specifics about 100% we just I think we need you need to find a balance I think you I think putting your head in the sand is not uh is not great uh but at the same time the other side of the coin is also terrible so I don't know what the answer is but the other side of the Bitcoin the other side of the Bitcoin is just putting your focus on things that give you positive energy. There you go positive energy all the love all the power good night you got anything I don't say I don't say things at the end I just I just hit okay thanks for wearing the shirt Malls Molly hang up the phone once again thanks for listening if you enjoyed the podcast share with a friend and consider heading over to our Instagram at average superior checking the link in the bio and supporting the show have a great night