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The Average Superior Podcast
This show features three nursing home attendants who have realized their brains are incomplete and their bodies are always in pain. They are peasants outside the castle walls attempting to navigate a world that feels rigged while simultaneously trying to be 1000% sure about things they know nothing about!
The Average Superior Podcast
#74 - We Own The Farms
We are back with our friend and coach, Joel. We discuss trying to focus on what you can control and the community you live in. Don't lose friends over differences of opinion!!
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SPEAKER_00:Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What you do right now makes a difference.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome. You're welcome, always welcome on this show, Jason.
SPEAKER_02:Don't get me started. Don't get me started. It's all good. I I pulled a high school uh high school girl attitude, it didn't work out.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh no, sorry, I would have to leave quickly if I had one of those.
SPEAKER_02:It exposed like uh what I think is a really big weakness of mine.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, tell us, what's your weakness?
SPEAKER_02:I think that anyone's like this. When you're like diff when you think you're not doing your best at something or you're not confident in it, and somebody like I take something and I get super defensive about that one thing. Because my availability has been like, for lack of a better term, dog shit in the summer for you guys and like and like hooking up and stuff like that. And then that's why I'm like, oh, and I got super defensive about it.
SPEAKER_01:But I think that's like everybody. I think if you but I think if you find that you're feeling defensive about a topic, it's either because you're not really confident in that topic or like or something about it that like causes that defensiveness in you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, 100%. Or your availability is dog shit. Well, it is dog shit. It'll get better, it'll get better in September. We're good. Or October, we're fine.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, cool. Well, I'm glad you're here. Also, uh Joel is back for the third time. Yes, I am. Welcome back. Welcome back. Good to be here. You gotta stick your mouth right on that thing.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, like closer. Put your tongue on it. Just on it. Put it right on it. Yeah, they're perfect. Perfect.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, welcome. Uh with uh today I was telling uh CJ about my chauffeuring business that I should start for my child. Uh just back and forth all day to different places. That was great. You should claim those miles. Yeah? Yeah. Well, I took the day off. I was like, I woke up this morning. I'm like, I'm not going to work today. Uh I don't need to because there's nothing going on, and I'm gonna use some hours. So I took it off. And then I literally spent most of my day driving around. It was amazing.
SPEAKER_02:Your daughter's close to getting a license, though.
SPEAKER_01:She's uh yeah, uh turned 16 in February. Yeah. So is she going to get her license right away? Uh that would be ideal, however, her lack of practicing is probably gonna prevent that.
SPEAKER_03:But that's a game changer. Yeah, yeah. When Jake got his license, fantastic. Yeah, and now that he is moved on and like in the university, he's not gonna be driving Taya anymore. And it's like shit. I had so much more free time when Jake was the chauffeur, yeah, and uh now he's not the chauffeur, and it's like, oh man. I normally have to go to the west side, pool him back, right? So like literally 10 minutes, but it feels like hours.
SPEAKER_01:So I the swim swimming is still a big thing, obviously, for your daughter too, right? She's still big into swimming. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:She's on her one month off. Nice. Yeah, they get the month of August off and then back at it at September. So nice.
SPEAKER_04:Did you swim across a lake yesterday?
SPEAKER_03:Uh up is it a lake? Are we calling that a lake? Well, uh that's what it's called. It is called a lake, but Anderson. No, no, Park Lake. So, like That's a lake. Yeah, but it's kind of us.
SPEAKER_04:What diseases have you contracted since being in that body of water?
SPEAKER_03:I'm from Atasquan. That water is it actually that water is not hurting me in the least. Yes, I did. So yesterday I got this idea in the afternoon at work. I'm like, you should work out outside. So I hauled all my shit outside to work out because Teya was going to boop up days, uh, Alana was going out somewhere, and Jake was working. I'm like, I get my own night. So I go take my workout, part way through my workout. I'm like, you should go paddle boarding. So haul all my stuff back in, have a quick bite to eat, rip out the park lake in my dad's truck and the paddle board with a paddleboard, go to use my electrical pump, forget to pack the manual one. His power supply in his vehicle doesn't work. So I'm like, I what the fuck am I gonna do? I drove all this way, I have nothing to do. I'm like, just swim the lake. Swim the lake, might as well. So I just swam, just got touched on the other side and uh swam back, toweled off, grabbed my stuff off the beach and drove home.
SPEAKER_04:What happens if you get to the middle and you're like, I'm tired?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you just can't get tired. That's not really an option, Kurt.
SPEAKER_04:That's exactly where like if something starts like touching you.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, dude, there's like the but isn't the seaweed really bad there?
SPEAKER_03:Like it should be. Oh, yeah. There was like parts when I was like, Oh yeah, I could say how if you couldn't swim, the seaweed would grab your ankle and that'd be the end of you. That'd be me. That's how I would die. Yeah, no, whatever. It was it was a good time.
SPEAKER_01:CJ'd never try to swim across that lake.
SPEAKER_04:You won't make it past the you think I'm dog shit at kickboxing. Watch me swim. You should see it is the funniest thing you'll ever see.
SPEAKER_03:You should watch him swim. Okay, I'm down for that. Yeah, the other thing that was interesting about my uh my adventure yesterday is when I get to the lake, there's a a couple sitting there. Um, they were the guy was enormous, like just jacked. Jailhouse tats. He had a tattoo across his face here, up his arms, and he's reading some like it was like some trivia pursuit type game to his girlfriend, who's sitting there just in her bikini, answering him. And then she looks at me, she goes, Are you going swimming? I said, Yeah, probably. How's the water? And she's like, Well, I don't know. And then I take all my stuff, like my shirt off, put my keys, my phone, in my fanny pack. She's like, Well, we'll I'll watch your personals for you while you swim. I was like, Okay. So I brought my stuff over there and set it down, just jumped in. I started swimming, I got about halfway, and I'm like, Jesus, I just left like my keys, my phone with some two random strangers. I have no idea who they are.
SPEAKER_01:But they kept but they were nice about it.
SPEAKER_03:It was there when you got back. Do you know what I got? I swam back, it was there. She was like, How was the swim? How was your night? I'm like, good, good, how are you? Great. Gone.
SPEAKER_04:That's awesome. Yeah. If there's one thing that screams trustworthiness, it's face tattoos. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:I know, right? Like just total lack of judgment.
SPEAKER_01:You idiot. Just keep swimming. Or he's got a job where it just doesn't matter. Yeah. There's that too. Totally could.
SPEAKER_04:He's a radio producer.
SPEAKER_01:That, or just he's made so much money that he's like, you know what? I'm just gonna get tattoos everywhere. But it but it all worked out and it made me giggle.
SPEAKER_04:If you make so much money, I don't think you're gonna be on the shores of Park Lake reading your That's a good point. Yeah, I didn't know trivia.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't think that went through. I don't know. If I so if we had won the$75 million Lottlamax last night, which Did somebody win it? Somebody did, but we did not. Uh I would still be in this area because I my kids have to be like. No, but I'm just saying in general, money wouldn't be in your account. Shut up. You know what I mean? For the next four years, I'll probably still be in this area. So I could Four years? Yes, my child wants doesn't want to leave move schools, so we would stick around. I have no problem with that. So my point is we could you could have a ton of money sitting on a beach in this area. So there.
SPEAKER_02:It's Park Lake.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Uh we went to that Raymond uh breezy way what is it called? Breezy Way something. Water park. Yeah. Basically, it's like a big blow-up thing in the middle of like a reservoir. Um, it's it's gigantic. There's like uh what are those things where you jump on the one side, like the um you know what I'm talking about?
SPEAKER_02:They sit on the one and you launch them? Like an air teeter totter. Yeah, essentially.
SPEAKER_01:It's like that where they launch them in the air. Uh so there's that. It's it's gigantic. It was like it was actually really good. The kids had a ton of fun, but it's a really good little business they they have. Like they just told the got the reservoir. They bought this thing off of um, there's one out in the uh Kukanoutsa that used to have. They they bought the old one off them. They bought a new one and they say they brought this one here, and now they're in the summer, they're making money off of it. And it's like such an easy setup. I don't know what they would have paid for that thing, but it's just basically blows up, sits there. They have uh one little like almost like a trailer set up for with uh lifeguard life jackets, and just all day, every two hour blocks, they're just pumping pumping people through there. It's really fun.
SPEAKER_04:Do they have lifeguards?
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, they've well they do, but they're not doing much. They're they're standing, they're standing on a dock looking at the thing, which is probably like 50 meters into the wall. You have to you have to swim to get to it. It's about 50 meters into the water. There's one of those in Sylvan Lake.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I think that I don't think you have to swim to get to it. I think you have to like it's a really uneven, shitty ass wobbly bridge. But it's the same thing, it's super fun. Yeah, super cool.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I didn't go much on it because I was worried about blowing my knee out three weeks before the stupid race. So I was because I it happens like there's older people on there that you see them, they're like they just try to step and they're always slipping. They're like, that's just gonna, I'm gonna my MCL is gonna get just destroyed or something. You do have weak knees. No, you just like to attack my knee.
unknown:I stink.
SPEAKER_04:Um I wouldn't trust one of those lifeguards, like a teenage lifeguard, to save my life.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, you shouldn't. Were you a lifeguard? Oh no, that's too much work. In high school, Joel was not working. I had more important things to do.
SPEAKER_01:But a lot of lifeguards are like 16 years old. Like they're they just because my daughter could get hers now and she's she's not pulling like a 200-pound dude out of the water. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I do have to say though, the test they do for them is pretty it was pretty hard. Yeah. Well, like, yeah, Jake was uh the slide attendant and then is a lifeguard now at the YMCA. Dude, he had like three or four hours worth of testing job type interview stuff just to be a slide attendant. Oh wow. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It was I don't know that's what I thought, and I'm like, there's no way they're doing anything. They actually have a training and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:Tons, man. Oh, yeah. All right. It's it's a little bit distracting.
SPEAKER_02:I feel safe on the slides now, down there. It's good.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:As you should.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Um, you know, you can't go down to the next the last person's off the slide. So that's that's part of the test. That's all I can think about. That's all I think they do.
SPEAKER_03:Well, there's tons of swimming. Oh, really? Yeah, like yeah, swimming like distance, swimming for time, yeah, swimming to the bottom, getting bricks off the bottom of the pool, tons of scenarios.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's probably kids good for kids of that generation to be lifeguards because they're not allowed to be on their phone. Oh, completely.
SPEAKER_01:I think it and and but to be fair, I I don't know if I'm wrong because you'd know better than me, but like it seems like it's a fairly I mean, there's some qualifications you need to get to get to lifeguards. So you have to put in some work, and not many people are doing that these days. So you are kind of putting yourself at top of like the cream of the crop in terms of you have you can get a decent job doing lifeguarding, which isn't that hard, like once you get there and you're doing your job. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. And the pay is decent and all these things, and most kids aren't willing to do the work to get there.
SPEAKER_04:So I think it seems are they not willing to do the work, or is that just your perception? Uh kids actually shitty.
SPEAKER_01:It's 100% my perception. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Are kids shittier now, Joel?
SPEAKER_03:Are kids shittier now? Um I think it depends on what your view of shittier is. Like my son is a miles ahead of anyone I knew in high school.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Right?
SPEAKER_03:So uh not shittier.
SPEAKER_01:Sure, but he's no his son isn't but his son isn't the average. No.
SPEAKER_02:So it's I would say if you look around at kids nowadays, they they don't look like kids used to look. They're just all wearing crocs and they're all fat. That's like the seriously. You just see him walk, I see him walking from no-frills all the time wearing crocs and just like just bags of chips. I'm like, what the hell? What is going on? Do you not I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:It's Gen Alpha. I I I my perception, I I don't know if it's real. Like I think they're all shitty, but I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_02:My kids aren't, but I think that again, that's because we're all involved in our kids' lives a little more than maybe the most. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:But I think the media makes everything seem worse than it is just because you're aware of it more. And it's like it just brought to your attention more what good or bad kids are doing. Like, there's lots of high achieving kids in like you know, where we work, there's lots of parents who have like super high achieving kids, and when you think about what they're doing, you're like, that's like university level stuff. There's also some kids that are way more shittier than they were in in like uh 1994 when I was in high school. So I think it's just everything is just brought to our attention so much more because of social media, but the kid kids are still doing this. You still have your high achievers, you still have your little assholes that are you know, and you still have your medium of the road. It's just all more in our face. Yeah, right? Like well, some of no, like seriously, like Jake, 11 times a week he trains. My daughter's 14, she's been doing that since she was 12, too. Yeah, trains 11 times a week for 11 months. But again, they're not normal. No, but I'm saying, but like that, but there's but there is because there are outliers like that who doesn't go to swim meets where they're competing against hundreds of kids. Yeah, so there's literally hundreds of kids that are that dedicated to this sport, and I'm sure they're that dedicated to hockey and dance, but we also just see the the negative side of kids nowadays because of like think about it, the school shootings, yeah, all those weird things that didn't happen. All those incels, those fucking cells. So, like, and the weird things just get pumped, and we doubt and I think we really downplay what lots of our kids are doing. Yeah, it's true. Like, even really look at your own kids, probably, John, and go, okay, what are you actually doing? Right. It's a shit ton more than probably you or I were doing. Completely, yeah. Right?
SPEAKER_01:So it's I find it's weird because like we we talked about this a long time ago, but it's interesting when because when I grew up, basically I did every sport, but it wasn't until there was high school sports available. Like I did hockey when it be maybe when I was younger, but other than that, everything else was like high school sports or junior high high school. So until that happened, we weren't doing like things on every night of the week when I before that time. But now because we see you watch people's social media and you see, well, there are there are kids in this and this and this, and every day of the week they're busy. And you kind of feel like a bad parent if you're not like at even at your kid's age, uh, CJ, where you're starting looking at okay, well, should we be putting her in dance class? Should we be and like you start having these thoughts, but you're like, are we that wasn't a thing like 15 years ago or 20 years ago? It wasn't like nobody there were very few people were doing that. It's it's interesting how like and you start feeling guilty though if you're not.
SPEAKER_02:I'm feeling guilty about my 10-year-old because he's just gonna start getting into things, he's gonna start taking judo stuff like that. Like he's actually gonna start doing things outside of uh school sports. Right.
SPEAKER_01:But that 10, they don't have much school sports anyway.
SPEAKER_02:No, there's not, but I feel like there's other kids who are 10, like like our our friends' kids. Yeah. And they're doing a lot more with their kids, and so I'm kind of feeling guilty that he's like I kind of get that a little bit. At this age, it's 10 is young.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't think you should feel guilty. I mean, obviously, if they're not doing absolutely anything and they're like they're sitting in the house doing nothing, that's not great, but like I just think it's that that just to be uh being busy to be busy isn't necessarily good either. I mean, I think you need to find you can you need to find what they like because I I don't know if you were I think you're like Osware. I took real it's taken a long time to try to figure out what is the thing that you want to do. And for your kids, it obviously became swimming. But like my kids tried everything, and he like did one season of football, one of hockey, one of this, and he just is like meh with all of it. And then finally, like judo he's kind of liked, and he likes swimming as well, so we actually might do L A S C this year with him, we'll see. But um it's interesting because you gotta have to allow them to see different things and kind of you know want them to be busy or want them to do something athletic and physical, but allow them to find what that is for them without I don't know, foot pushing too hard, maybe it's interesting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's still a lot of work for you. Like it's it's it's a it's an easy job to be a bad parent. Oh, yeah. Like it's probably the easiest job ever to be a bad parent.
SPEAKER_01:I think you must you feel shitty.
SPEAKER_02:No, but like but it's easy because you just you don't care. You know what I mean? Like true. It's just it's a lot of work, especially when you are in the multiples, which you're gonna see in like five or six years, you're gonna have to dual activities per night for your kids.
SPEAKER_04:That's gonna be tough. Yeah, we have to make it work. We just started uh sportball.
SPEAKER_02:You did sport. Sportball is the best coach, Coach Ryan.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, they're great. Um, but I was like, oh, so this is what it's like, you know, like five o'clock, we're gonna be there. I'm like, okay, wait, this is gonna get worse. Like, this is just a sliver precursor.
SPEAKER_02:Coach Ryan, Coach Ryan's kids are in my kids' uh school, looking great. And when he rolls up for pickup, it's like the Beatles just arrived at the elementary school. All the kids swarm him. Coach Ryan, coach Ryan, coach Ryan. He's honestly a celebrity at the schools because every kid has been through sportball and every kid knows him.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's a brilliant franchise.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it is. He's doing a really good job. It's awesome.
SPEAKER_04:The guy could pretty much run it, like sportball season.
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, he has a lot of patience. So that would be an issue for you, I think. They're so good.
SPEAKER_04:Um, I'm actually trying to find sports now after sportball because next week's our last week of sportball. Or I just repeat sportball. But like, what do you do with a two-year-old? Well, they're not gonna remember the last season of sportball.
SPEAKER_03:Anything, anything and everything you can put them in.
SPEAKER_01:Completely. Yeah, absolutely. It does not matter. Like swimming lessons would be good at that age, just like starting in the pool.
SPEAKER_02:Um yeah, those are fun with you because you do them with your kids and stuff.
SPEAKER_01:And if I can if I can say I can you teach me how to swim, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You do like little dances with them and stuff. It's so much fun.
SPEAKER_01:The university individual private ones are way better than any of the group ones by far. They'll actually learn how to swim. Where the the group ones are like, okay, we'll watch you for two seconds. Now you hold on to the edge while we watch everybody else. Where the private individuals, they're worth the money. We did that and they they got so much better, even young than anything else. But yeah, the swim lessons, I don't know, dance. If you want your kid in dance, yeah, or gymnastics is something. I honestly we felt or we put uh Scarlet in dance when she was like four, and it was useless. So we never hated it.
SPEAKER_02:We did a couple years of gymnastics.
SPEAKER_01:Gymnastics would be good with her age, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:They they do basic stuff, but it's funny you learn balance, all that kind of stuff. It's good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Westwind's it's literally endless, like the possibilities for you and what you want to do with your list right now. And it's amazing. The money is not endless.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's endless, it's endless the amount that you will spend. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um, yeah, dance, I don't know, gymnastics, something like that.
SPEAKER_01:Gymnastics, I would recommend swimming in gymnastics if I was if I was you. That's what I would say.
SPEAKER_04:Well, and especially like we don't do daycare, so like socialization, everybody's like, oh, you need to like make sure you're socializing your kid. I'm like, I don't know. She'll figure it out.
SPEAKER_02:She'll figure it out. Does she play with other kids? Does she see she pushes them over? Yeah, hey, that's socialization. That's all that matters.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. Juju jujitsu. Yeah. There you go. Hey, that starts at three. There you go. Although judo, I don't know. Like, again, like, what do you teach? Can you teach a three-year-old to actually do this?
SPEAKER_01:Uh, I think uh Tyler said that like seven, eight would be a few.
SPEAKER_02:Because we my boy is six, and he was saying it's just it's not there yet, even though my boy's pretty athletic, like the six-year-old. Because all they do for the first year is they just fall. Like they learn how to fall, all that kind of stuff. It's very basic, but he's like, you need to be at least seven or eight.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Are you still doing judo? Uh, me personally, no. I did, I didn't I did it for a semester, and with in that semester I went probably five times. Why are you shaking ahead of me? I like it. I listen, I like it. I love doing it, but I just didn't the again. What there's not enough time in the day. Like, because when I started it, I did it because my kid was in the exact same class. So I could show, I would show the first day. This is a problem. The first day I showed up, dropped him off.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I was, but just make you go with little kids.
SPEAKER_01:No, they don't. So this is when's your size. The first day I the first day I showed up, we dropped, I dropped him off. I'm sitting there watching, and I'm like looking around, and it's him and another another kid aside, and everybody else is like um adults, like 19 and up. And I'm like, what's going on here? So I'm watching, I'm just I'm just like I I was sitting there saying, Why am I not doing this? If if this is what it's gonna be like, I might as well jump in and do this as well. So I went and talked and they're like, Yeah, well, he's gonna be in here for the semester. You might as well if you want to come in, like, sure. So I paid for this membership. And so the next like a handful of times that he went, I just we we were basically doing it together. He had a kid his size that would like do all the things, and then I was with the adults doing whatever. And it was great. But then they bumped him to the kids' class, which was which was good because it's it's Tyler's class, and there's a it was a lot it was a lot better than the one he was in for learning for him. Um but that would mean that I would have to take him, then it'd be like an hour and a half break, so I'd have to drive home, then drive back for the other one, and then drive back. And it just was like I'm not doing it. It just I can't I can't do it. So that's why I stopped going because it just didn't work.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, it makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:It's I really enjoyed it, it was fun. And it's it's so interesting to me like seeing the overlap between and obviously I knew this when when Tyler would show up and like roll with you and roll with other guys, and he's obviously super good, and it's like, but he did judo, but it's so so much overlap, obviously, because of like the history of the of the martial arts, but um with his ability to do submissions and defend submissions and all the things, and so it was funny. Um the little that I know was actually super uh helpful because even guys who are are fairly high belted, I was like kind of doing okay with, even though except for the takedowns like from standing that stuff I'm like it's a problem. But as soon as we get to the ground and we were doing like the the ground technique stuff, like I was doing really well against fairly like highly belted people because that I don't spend as much time doing that, and I think I could defend really easily. And then I would catch this white caught this one guy on an arm bar, and he wasn't too happy because he just was like wasn't expecting it because I was a white belt and he was a brown belt, but it but it's like it's just because they spent a lot more time with the takedown side, which when it was takedown when it was standing, I was like, I'm just gonna get tossed here. Like I was just trying not to get murdered. But it was really I I found the overlap really interesting, it was good. And then actually, because Tyler's taught us a lot of things at work with uh certain techniques, it was like I'd like I'd already done the classes a lot of the way, so like the things that he's teaching uh for us is directly from what he learned there, so a lot of it overlapped, which was really good.
SPEAKER_04:But if I had this more all time in the world, I would love to or if they could just keep doing classes at the same time, yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:I I think that that's what's with a lot of sports or um places where they have where there's like kids in adult classes where they're missing money, where they're losing money. If they could somehow figure out a way, whether it's O2 or any of these places in town where they're running a kid's class at an adult class at the exact same time. I know space is a problem and coaching's a problem. I think they'd have a lot more people like me who wants to bring their kid, but then they also want to be involved, get some buy-in, and then you'd have like basically two memberships instead of just the one. And I and I and probably for a long period of time. But it seems like most places that's just not how it goes, right? And it makes sense because they they I understand why, but I've I've always felt like if they could just figure that out and have the the adult class go on at the same time as the kids' class, they'd be have double the membership, or maybe not double, but a lot a lot more people buying in. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that that would require such a big building, though. It would be bad. We've been to the MMA lab in Arizona, yeah. Um, and it's kind of set up like with different rooms, like there was like kids' room, like there was a boxing gym, kind of like jiu-jitsu area MMA with an octagon in there. So there was and it was super busy, yeah. But like it was a huge, huge space, and they have millions. There was a guy in our class that drove 90 minutes to come to his his like two or three times a week, his jujitsu. So yeah, you're caught that concept would be awesome, I agree, because you could get so many more people exposed to it, right? If your kids there, I mean that's why I restarted swimming again. Well, I'm gonna be here anyways. But like you would just need such a big building to try to because it's like some of those classes are pretty big at those gyms now, right? At least some of the youth classes, teen classes, you're getting a lot of people out.
SPEAKER_01:Completely. And then I think they just take a bit of a push, like, hey, your kids, well, what I mean, that'd be an easiest. I think it'd be an easiest sales point. So while your kids are doing that.
SPEAKER_03:What we need to do is when you guys get your like little communist compound going. Well, it's it's a it's a compound. We just build this facility in it. I agree, and then that's how we launder our money with the outside world to keep them off our asses. I like it.
SPEAKER_04:You're gonna have to cut this part. We can't let them know our plan. Well, that'd be amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, you I don't and again, it's actually part of me always wishes that like um some of the gyms in town could like just join and become one big gym, like where they they'd have more funds and more ability to like buy a bigger place like that and split it. So like instead of having like three MMA gyms or four actually with the Gracie, have like one or two, and then just I don't know, it'd be nice if people got along, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but one good option is like for people in the city is that each gym, I think, has their own like market where those people feel comfortable. And if you had one big gym, maybe we wouldn't get that, right? Like, you know, there's certain the fight, you know, CMC is way more fight-oriented people. PFA was more a tie box, uh the kickboxing, you know, O2 had their own little older style, like all very good places, yeah. At the you know, the instruction-wise and that, and your great knowledge, and for different people, right? The person that's maybe comfortable at O2 would never have picked up jujitsu if if those fighters were there, or vice versa, right? So yeah, again, it would be an ideal world, but I think it's also pretty cool in our city that's so small. We have like some really good different people that you can go learn from different styles that suit different people. Like, I do think it's competition.
SPEAKER_01:It is really good, right? Yeah, yeah. And it is interesting how um that's finding that community or that group of people you feel comfortable around obviously makes you want to keep coming back. It's a huge uh factor in people showing up again. And it's it's just funny how certain people just feel different things at different places. Yeah, they just walk in, they're like, Oh yeah, this is my spot. They're like, Nope. And then it's just interesting. I haven't I still haven't been to that Gracie one at all. Like I know a couple of guys that go there, but um Yeah. It's funny.
SPEAKER_04:I was at the uh the gym I go to the other week, and I'll try not to take this down a rabbit hole. But he he we're like you know after open mats, he looks at me and he's like, Where's all the people you work with? And I was like, What do you mean? He's like, Why why is everybody you work with not here? And I was like, I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you. He's like, I feel like this is the place that they should be coming.
SPEAKER_02:Very logical.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I was like, Yeah, I I could agree with you. Um probably a valid statement.
SPEAKER_01:It is a valid statement. Uh life is busy. Um I don't know. I don't have like I again, it's just like I there's so many things that I wish you could I had time to do. And and uh you just you have to pick and choose sometimes. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:But then that's nice to have that option though, like to to have so many things you can do and not just and be able to pick what you want.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that but I also find for me it uh you just you kind of go through times in your life when you have a different goal or or or thing you want to accomplish, so you have to kind of just ignore the rest of it and then the rest of the noise, because you can't do everything at one time, which is what I always try to do, but then to the detriment of maybe the goal that I have upcoming or whatever, right? So then this time I think I've been pretty good with like, okay, I'm all the noise is gone, this is my goal, and then once this is done, I'll reevaluate and figure out what I want to do. Um, but it's tough because you feel like you're missing out. It's the FOMO of everything, right? It's like I'm not showing up, so I'm not getting better. Everyone else is, I'm gonna get crushed if I go when I go back. Yeah, that's probably true, but I'm doing it for a reason. And I think as long as you're okay with that in the short term, I mean, I don't know what else you do. Are you ready? Yeah. I wish I I literally wish I was running this weekend. I'm just so tired of thinking about it.
SPEAKER_02:Do you want to be running a lot right now, though? Before not at all.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not I'm not running a lot. I've been running um like five, six Ks at in like the 30-degree heat is all I've been. I'll just kind of get some heat um acclimatized. Is that the right word? Um between now and then, and then uh but like at this point, nothing I do between now and September 5th is gonna change my ability to run the 100 mile. Just don't get hurt. And I feel great right now, and like hip flexors, everything feels good. Nothing's nothing's injured. So I'm like, I don't wanna. I don't the other day somebody's doing a 20k. I'm like, nah, I don't think I'm gonna do it. I just 100 mile or 100 kilometers?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:160 kilometer.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And what's your time frame that you have to do this in? 33 hours. We're hoping for I don't want to say it out loud. I'm gonna uh we're hoping 27? Yeah, we're hoping for 27 or less. But I don't it's a that's a tough, that's tough. We'll see. That's pretty that's that's a big goal. It is so so last year we did the 100 kilometer in 20 hours and 20 minutes basically. But I learned some things um last year. Also, I trained a lot more this year than I did last year. And just like yeah, learn some things about how to deal with the heat a bit better. Um and just in general, and aid stations. If we could have cut, if we could have just limited our time in the aid stations, we would have cut an hour off the time really easily. So I think if we just kind of stick to our set of timer, five, ten minutes, whatever how we're feeling like crap, maybe ten minutes in the A station and we're feeling okay, maybe like just a five-minute grab some food and start walking while we eat, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_04:That's so easy to say, but hard to do.
SPEAKER_01:It is so easy to say, but it's something we're gonna try to stick to this time. And um, I want to get those first two laps out of the way, so 110 kilometers. I want to get those two out of the way like before 20 hours. Well, way before we're gonna make 27. But who knows? Maybe the wheels fall off and we barely make the cutoff, but in my head, it's like I just I think about it so freaking much right now, it's ridiculous, dude. Like, I I I catch myself driving down the road, and all I'm thinking about is like, I'm like, okay, so when I get to that aid station, or I was thinking about uh the other day, I was like, because we blew up at like kilometer 18 of 100 last year. Like it was so early, and that like rocked my world. Like I was like so bad. I was just like, oh my god. Like we have we're like 18% into this race. And um, but now it's like, okay, if that happens, I know that it could happen, and I'm fine with that. Like I kind of have like the awareness of I might feel like crap really, really early, but that'll that'll be that'll come and go. That'll come and go throughout the whole race. So um just accept it and push through. But I remember you looking at me being like in the third leg, and you're like, I think I'm done at the end of this leg. I was like, Yeah, fuck yeah, me too. And I should never have said it. And that's the other thing. Like, we I knew we were thinking the same things. You finished though, right? Yeah, I did, yeah. This guy didn't? He did not, but that's okay.
SPEAKER_03:He got six. It's not okay. He got through 60. So what are you gonna do to write that wrong?
SPEAKER_04:I'm gonna have to do it again. Like at some point in the next year or two, I'm gonna have to run the 100k again. I have no choice. So why did you quit? Because I'm because I fucking it was hot, bro. It was like 36 degrees.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but not when you so like no seriously, walk me through okay, walk me through your mindset where you're like, I'm out, like, I'm out.
SPEAKER_04:Uh that was a tough, that was that was a very tough decision. I don't like quitting. I'm not I don't I historically would say I'm not a quitter, but here I was. Uh so leg one and two, the first 20k, not bad. Leg three, it was 36 degrees, and JB and I were both looking at each other like fucking we're done after this, right? Like I was like, yeah, he's out too. Like, yeah, somebody can quit with me. Uh so we got to that aid station. I was like heat stroke out the fucking years, I think.
SPEAKER_01:You were, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We all were. Yeah. Super, super heat stroke. So like it took me like 30 minutes to cool off. My wife brought me ice and I was like putting ice on me in, and like I was like, Okay guys, I don't think I'm leaving. And so I sent them on their way, and then probably 10 minutes later, I was like, fuck this, I'm going. So then I had to run extra fast to catch up to them.
SPEAKER_01:So we we started walking. He came with us when we started walking, and he looked like absolute garbage. We uh I kind of I was feeling the same. We I kind of recovered a bit better than he did with the heat, but like we started walking after we sat. This is the thing is we sat there for probably 45 minutes before we got up, so that's where we need to cut some time off. But um, he came with us, but we got to like there's like a big hill climb shortly after that stop, and right before that, actually, that's when your wife showed up. Yeah, and uh you're just like I don't and he looked like garbage and he's like, I don't think I can go forward.
SPEAKER_03:So you ran through the night, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So do you have like checkpoints where you have to be by certain times of the night or you're out of the race or they hold you back or anything like that? There are there is, but I don't know what they are. I don't know what they specifically are. The only real checkpoint they'll stop you is if I get to like there's like Pavan back to softball. If you don't get to the if you're not there before they think you'll get back to softball before they before hit that 33 cutoff, you they won't let you finish that. Or I'd say if you're a couple back, even if it depends on where you are, and they're like, there's no possible way you can finish, then they'll they'll let catch cut you, but that'd be like close to the 33 hours. And for this one, it was 21 hours. So um anyway, so he's like he says, I can't do it. And we're like, because we've had this conversation, and I've had this conversation with like uh with um Tony here for this race coming up. I'm like, we need to be like really clear because everyone goes through these like I'm done and I'm versus like and then five minutes later, like, you know what? Actually, I think I'm feeling good. So it's like we need to like what is the clear because I because like both of us want to finish this race, and maybe it's me that says I can't go anymore. And then he says, and he and so I'm holding him back or he's holding me back, one of the two. And so it's like, what what is the actual like what is the what is the uh safe word here? Like there's gotta be um because I'll stick around and say we'll stick around and be like, hey, but come on, bro, we got this, we can go and then try to get him and get him to come, right? Because the idea is eventually he'll be like, okay, let's do this. But if that's like not gonna happen, then is there like a safe word where it's like pineapple and it's like that just means absolutely like like lead me, leave me? Absolutely means like just like 1000% F you F off and go by yourself and I'm done. And so there has to be because like everyone in the race, uh Tony and Nathan, I was with them when we did they did their 100 mile, and like he was literally pissing blood, and he was like saying, I like I think I'm done, and he still finished it. So like I'm like, we need to know when this anyway. So this is kind of where we were the end. We're like, Are you like saying you're done, or can we pull you through this? And he got to a point where he was like, No, no, f off, guys. I can't go on, I'm done. And so we're like, All right, buddy, uh we're out. And then by the time we got back to the other aid back, because it's it's a loop back to the same aid station in the 16k loop. Um, they had said that actually, no, we got to someone texted us, like, actually, no, I'm coming. And so he's like 50 ten minutes after we had started uh been, he said he's behind us coming. And then so we you caught up, I think. Well, I caught up, I caught up, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You guys no, you I ran in just as you guys were like kind of getting your shit squared away to move again.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and so then from there, there's uh there's so Favan to softball and then softball to Elks. And we No Softball to Yeah, Elks. Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah. So we so soft he we were with him all the way to we did softball, and then from softball to elks, you dropped off like a ton by like five, ten minutes. Like he was running with us, but we just like he was like barely moving, and we were trying to like stick in the middle. I see him, but we kept kept keep moving.
SPEAKER_04:So we got to elks, and you probably were like we were probably like we were already low by the time he got to elks, and so that's when he decided to yeah, it got to the point so the you know the stairs down on the west side of the bridge back down to um like Fort Whoopup. So going down the stairs, I was like so cramped. Uh like I literally could I had to walk sideways down the stairs, and my hydration, my nutrition was out the window. Again, I'm not making excuses, but it was weird. This, like, I was like, okay, I think I'm done, I think I'm done. And then I called my wife, and like that release of like, she's like, You you it's up to you, like you choose whether or not you're gonna go. And I was like, Okay, I'm done. And then like that release of like, oh can't I'm fucking done, fuck it, right? I don't like that feeling, but it was weird that just like I'm out, I'm done. And then it's like the relief of like, okay, I'm done. Like, I whatever, I couldn't do it. Um, and then I'm walking into Elks and some guy rolls up by me. He's like, You good bro? I was like, No, I'm fucked up. He's like, it's all good, man. This is where I quit last year, too. I was like, fuck me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so that was what he that was about 60k, so you have about 40 to go.
SPEAKER_03:So your body gave out is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to use it as an excuse, but like my Oh, it's not an excuse, it's a legitimate like yeah thing, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like the heat got me, I was underhydrated. I my I hadn't eaten in in hours. Um, a long, long way of saying, like, I'm going to have to do it again. It's just gonna hang there until now I have to check this box, which is super frustrating, but it's it's a thing. So yeah, it's good, it's it's interesting, like the depths, like all it is is mental, right? And every sport is all mental, but all it is is mental is just like you're just arguing with yourself, especially when you get into that deep water and you're just bouncing off both sides of your skull being like, No, I'm done, no, I'm not done, like suck it up. No, like it's fucking hard, like I can't do it, right? And you're just like finding a way to just fucking tamp that one voice down that says like it's time to quit.
SPEAKER_01:And like I if I could go back to that leg that we have struggled on, like I knew we were feeling the same way because we were obviously physically struggling both. It was obvious. And in my head, it was just all the negative negativity, and but none nobody has said anything at that point. And I wish I had never uttered uttered the words. Oh, I know. Because like I feel like when I said, I was like, bro, I don't know. Like as soon as as soon as I said that, it was kind of like, yeah, me too. And then we both had this like, okay, F it, let's just get through this next piece and then we're out. Um, and it was like a weird thing where like this this time my my goal is to try, and even though when I'm feeling that way inside, to just be like, yeah, we're good. I'm feeling okay. I'll I'll be it'll be it'll be okay. I'm gonna make it. Like, just try to not not say it out loud, the thing that I know I'm still feeling inside. Because it was weird. It was like a weird, like almost acceptance and almost like like like you said, it was like a relief or a release of like, okay, it's okay that I that I'm uh defeated here. Where it's like, no, like, yeah, I'm feeling that way inside, but I'm not gonna say it out loud. That's my goal this time is not to even like acknowledge it verbally, even though I know it's gonna feel the same way. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The problem is it's like a really I'm I'm sure we've all experienced it, but it's like a really insidious thing where like that release feels good, but it's not, right? Like it's like, oh, I just gave up, like, yeah, it feels good, but no, like you're a piece of shit.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird thing. I I've never felt anything close to it than than that. Like that in terms of like how things that have been hard in my life, nothing has been that hard than what we did last year for that. Like, yeah, no, and I know this is gonna be worse, and I'm I'm looking forward to that, even though it's gonna absolutely suck. And I don't know what people are like, why would you do this? This is so stupid. I'm like, I agree, I completely agree, but there's something about I don't know what it is, it's something about like the conversations you have in your head, and I no headphones or anything last time, just the conversations that you're having with your in your head, and like this weird, almost euphoric moments you have where you're like, Oh yeah, I'm running right now. And it it's just I can't even explain it. It's just it's it's interesting, and I'm kind of looking forward to getting there again. But also it's terrifying. Are you not allowed to wear headphones? Are you just can you can? Yeah, yeah, I just didn't.
SPEAKER_04:I don't think I'm going to this time either. No. For the the that was my third race, and I've never worn headphones for any of them. And you like you usually run kind of with people at some points, although the the one I did, so the second 50 I did, I did just by myself. Nine hours by myself, whatever, and just like just silence with your thoughts. And like this chick was running in front of me, and she was like running the same speed as me, but I couldn't catch up with her. And she had a speaker on her back blasting ACDC for hour. And I was fucking raging. I was like, I couldn't catch up with her. I was like, I need to pass this girl because I can't listen to her. Um, but I like the silence, you just get like time with your thoughts, right? Like it's it's it's weird, and a lot of for me, like a lot of it was just like repetitive, like literally counting my steps, like one, two, three, four, five, six.
SPEAKER_01:Meditation. It's it's it's like it's meditation, yeah. Like at its fun, it's because you're thinking about nothing, but and I find you and you're so much looking down because you're looking it's a trail, right? So it's not like you're worried about stepping on something funny. So you're looking so much just at the trail in front of you that it it's Becomes you're so in the moment of this that there's nothing else, and time goes by weird, like all of a sudden you're like, Oh, it's been 10 hours. Oh, I'm okay, it's been 10 hours, crazy. And but like it's because you're so it's like it's like a forced meditation. I never thought about it like that, but I think that's what it is because you're literally staring in front of you, trying not to step on a rock the wrong way. You're thinking, trying to not get the negative thoughts get in your head. It's interesting. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:You'd love it, it's so shitty. You'd love it. You'd think you would be taken on it to run.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I know you don't like running.
SPEAKER_04:I know, but you'd love to suck. You would live for the like, oh, this fucking sucks. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_03:I've I've done well because it reminds me of adventure racing. Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know if you guys ever like because they used to have a full moon in June. Okay. In the past, and it was start Friday night at midnight, and you had to finish the race by Sunday at noon. Oh wow. And it was like you're a team of four, had to have one girl, had to always finish like there was pat like what's that, like passports like for amazing race or whatever. Like, yeah, we had to get a passport stamped. So uh excuse me. And you also had to be within a certain distance of each other. Right. And it was hiking, um, kayaking and mountain biking. Oh, that sounds good. And you had like a support team, like my parents and my buddies from back home, his parents came in their RVs, yeah, and they like you would we had to do a run up a hill. They gave you a uh what your first leg was be, which was mountain biking, but our crew knew that. So then, like when we were running up the hill, they ditched all our stuff and they waited at the next spot to meet us with different gear or supplies or whatever. And so we made it about 27 hours straight. Yeah, that's it. We went up to the top uh Frank slide, got our passport stamped, and we came down, and then you had to walk across the front side of the mountain all the way to um Beaver Mines. Yeah, and then you were gonna ride your mountain bike down through the ski hill, but you had to have checkpoints like where if you weren't there in a certain amount of time, right? Um you either had to stop the race or you could take a two-hour penalty and they would drive you to the next checkpoint.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:And when you came down the mountain, I was just asking what was going through your mind when you quit. My buddy was all just like fucked up on painkillers for his ankles and his knees, and his mom was a nurse, and at our last checkpoint, she was like, You're you're done. But we never discussed once quitting until then. It was never yeah, and we were we were doing so bad. We were we we rocked the bike, yeah, leg, but then when you got to what's it called orienteering where you use the compass, like we sucked, we were getting lost, and like it was so hard. So we I think we were too like shitty to realize how terrible it was until finally Ryan's mom was like, No, you're done, like I'm not letting you guys do this, and then you're like that total relief of like yeah, completely I just wonder what's because like I've been there and I was like, I'm not ever gonna say I quit, like, no fucking way. But if you quit, I'm in, but I ain't ever I'm not saying it, man. Like, but if that's the decision we're making as a group, I'm doing it, but I've done I'm not the ringleader before the record, it wasn't me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's weird when somebody else opens that door because that's what he that's was like when JB opened that door, and I was like, Oh yeah, somebody else, like this is good.
SPEAKER_02:Were you were you wondering if he was thinking it too? Like, we could tell he knew we were just we are both suffering so bad.
SPEAKER_04:The guy in front of us, so we like we were passing people, people were passing us, whatever, but then like we get it's because there's so much up and down, and we get to the like kind of middle top of this hill, and there's some guy just puking his fucking guts out. And both of us were like, Yeah, like no, we're done. Like, this sucks. Like, what are we doing? Like, you're right, man.
SPEAKER_03:He's like, But you just have to remind yourself like that's a you have that everything you do every day, you have that. Do I don't want to do this? Totally. It does so it's just the same, right? Like, and you're not gonna die. Yeah, so like that's for you guys now that is this this year, and next time you go, like you should both smash it because you're you're not gonna fucking die. You guys have trained, yeah. There is no way you know you're not gonna die. You've already been there, right? And that's the importance of doing some of these things where you're not having physical harm to yourself legitimately. Like, yeah, you can push your limits a little bit and see where you're at, how much you can really take, and it's a lot more than most people would ever give themselves credit for, right? Completely.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's the interesting part, right? Like uh, and and with the benefit of being there, that's probably a little bit easier to go down that road again, but like you can go a lot further than you think, right? Like a lot further.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's that's why that's honestly why I'm doing this this year, because last year when I finished, I I finished and I was like, it's again, this plays it messes up like everything, like your emotions, all these things. So I was like super like emotional when I finished, I was just like trying not to cry. I was like, oh my god. And as I but the other problem that messed me up was I was done, like at my feet, I was just like, I'm so glad I'm done. I finished it, yes. But there was people leaving to go do their last lap because they're doing the hundred mile last year, and I was just like, like thinking about them leaving, like that haunted me for like a week. Just thinking about the fact that when I was like done, like in my head, I could not do another step, I'm done. People were gonna go do 50 more K. And I'm like, then I'm uh the rest of my the rest of the whole whole week afterwards is like And that's that's probably why you ended up signing up for this. It was it was like do I need to now know can I do it? That was like for me, it was like it was just this thing like that was just haunting me. And within like a week or a week, maybe week and a half, I was just like, okay, yeah, we're doing 100 miles.
SPEAKER_03:But to a degree, that's help that's really health, healthy for an adult, right? Yeah, true. I mean, look at the your life, that's how you that's how you live your whole teenage life up until you graduate university, is doing challenges, and then you don't get the same challenges true for you for yourself. You get challenges as like balancing your time, like you're gonna find out, or your money with trying to do your sports, or like you you certainly have your challenges, but that physical one-on-one challenge, you lose that, right? Yeah, we all go play beerly cocky, or you do um, but it's not that hard, no, right? So, like it is just so healthy for people to have, like, you know, for you, clearly it's your running, and that's like that's wicked to have that healthy, like, yeah, this is my focus, this is what makes me feel good about something in life, or where I go do do my thoughts completely, right? And that's what you see so many people don't do.
SPEAKER_01:Well, people don't challenge themselves in general. I mean, I mean, obviously, I I I think you're in the same camp. I mean, you do it consistently with like uh with MMA and training and all the things. And I think but I think like that's the thing is you need to find some whatever that thing is, you need to find something to to challenge yourself and push yourself.
SPEAKER_03:It just and and you know, like it ideally, obviously, like physical activity is the best. Yeah, but seriously, man, just anything, like whether it's being like a good pool player, yeah, down at the corner pocket, card games. Is there a corner pocket anymore? Well, something just opened LA billiards, maybe too. Oh, really? Like, people just need something that's positive in their lives, even if it's not going to be fitness, which is ideally better for your health, but just that anything, man, like it doesn't matter. And if it gives you that purpose and that can I do this better next time around, you just like such a better feeling overall.
SPEAKER_01:Do you think that most people I think fit obviously I agree with you? I think fitness or something fitness-oriented is the best way to to think to be striving for and pushing yourself. Do you think that people that don't do that or they don't because they've never had that like that positive feeling of the of the uh seeing the progress or um seeing the benefit, like seeing the benefits in their own life. So people who've never really like tried really hard in the gym, and if now of a sudden they they do it for they get consistent somehow for a month, they see that progress and they're like, oh, and they feel better and they see progress and they're like, okay, this makes sense. But most people give up before they get to that stage. Like, I don't know what because I obviously you if if you could drag everyone along, that would be the thing, like find something physical to do. Um, but most people either don't stick with it or they've never really pushed themselves hard in that.
SPEAKER_04:I think it's tough to see the progress. Like, I because I think you could probably pick out a lot of average people that do a month in the gym or do a month of weight loss and they see a bit of progress, yeah, but then just never do it again. Whereas like if you can look at that over like years and then be like, oh, here's the magnitude of progress, right? Like it's like, oh, this is impressive if you have some patience. And like I think I think a lot of people maybe are missing that. And it's funny, I was talking with um Johannes the other week, and we were sitting there and he's like, you know, like a lot of people just aren't into anything.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's completely true.
SPEAKER_04:And I was like, dude, 100%, right? Because I whether you're into fucking fighting or running or like you said, playing pool, just be into something. Yeah, I don't give a shit what you're into, just fucking be into something, right? But it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go home and uh fucking watch hockey and drink beer.
SPEAKER_01:But they would say they're into hockey, they're into watching hockey, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I when you say it was about the fitness. I think most people that don't stick it out or don't enjoy it have had a just a some sort of probably really unhealthy exposure to it, right? Where it was like they're um been forced to do it since they're like, you know, your little kid athletes, right? You know, they've been training their whole lives. Yeah, you know, I don't think it's uncommon for those kids, people around them to be like, fuck the gym, man. Like I'm so sick of this stuff. Or I think it just uh the gym is just like everything else. Too many people are competing with what they see around us. And when we like 25 years ago, when people were trying to get in the gym, there was no Instagram to make you feel bad or good or whatever, right? Like your your competition was literally just you at yourself in the mirror or the people in your gym or your circle. Now it's like it's it's it's the whole world, right? So I think so many people have just had so many negative experiences of being uh what fitness is that they just go do something, man. Just go freaking walk. If that's all you do, just go walk. Yeah, right and and it will probably build that healthy relationship where you'll see a result and then you'll go do the next thing, then you'll go do the next thing, hopefully, right? But it's just like I feel people are just so overwhelmed with you gotta do a CrossFit, you know, you gotta do BJJ, you know, you gotta bodybuild. And imagine being a newbie in the gym, just trying to get a healthy relationship with fitness, going, What the hell do I do? Completely like it's overwhelming, right?
SPEAKER_02:I literally did years of just working out and I'd work out until like two months on, three months off, and I'd work out honestly, and I've caught myself so many times till somebody would say, Oh, you must you're working out, or you're losing weight, or you're looking at something like that, some compliment, and like validate what I'm doing. And then I would literally stop for pro I'd just be like, Oh, okay, and then I just get out of that groove. And I think the last two years I have and I've been consistent. But honestly, until 38, I just would do two months on, three months off. I get a little bit of progress, and then I would stop. And then I'd wait three months. Oh shit, I'm starting to get fat again, go back to the gym, two months on, three months, and I did that consistently.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and I think some of the things that's some of that's the internal, I think whatever the internal drive where you source it from. Because I yeah, I think we've all had those periods of like, yeah, I work out good for six months, and then I take a month or two off. Yep. And it is complicated by social media. Like, I think you have the option of being like looking at social media being like, fuck, that guy can fucking hit pool shots. Like, that's crazy. Look how good that guy is. Like, he can punch like crazy. I wish I could do that. And like either being like, well, I'm never gonna be able to do that, or like, oh, I guess I better get to work, and you use that as like inspiration or motivation or whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER_01:But the quick fix thing is the issue, right? People see that and they think, and then they the selling, the selling portion of social media, where it's like, if you if you do this program, you can look like this in 25 years. Like, that's the thing they don't say. The consist that dude who's super jacked has put in time since he was 16 years old. He's now 35, and he's been in the gym almost every week of his life since that time, and that is why he looks like that, and he also eats well. So the but like the sales tactic of most of these Instagram accounts, because it's all they're selling you that you are the product, they're selling, they're selling your attention, and so they want you and they want you to click on their thing and buy their program for ten dollars. Oh, it's cheap. I should buy that program and do that because I look like that guy. I guess if you're consistent with it and you st and you eat properly and you do all the things, but it's just that that there'll be a point where you you realize it's all BS.
SPEAKER_02:Like we all realize it's all BS, but like every video you see online has the word fast or right away, like lose weight fast or lose weight soon. Top three tips for being able to do whatever. And I I hate it as soon as I see I don't even click on it anymore. I'm like, I don't even care. It's all lies.
SPEAKER_04:It well, it is, and they they all know like catchy headlines. I click on all of them. You watch them all.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I because I just love it.
SPEAKER_04:I'm like, well I get jacked in five minutes.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, what yeah, I'm like, what am I gonna read that is just over the top, yeah, yeah, misdirected.
SPEAKER_04:The one takedown that nobody can stop.
SPEAKER_03:And really setting, like especially the whole fitness industry, just really back, yeah, just leaving so many people a negative um perception of what it means to be working out when it should just be just be active. Really go go ahead, man. If you if yeah, if you was there's some guys in town that uh you see them all the time riding their bikes all year long, if that's your sole fitness, is like riding from Paradise Canyon to your downtown office job every day. That's like 15k. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but and and those people that's probably their thing. Like what do you do?
SPEAKER_03:But I'm saying that but I'd like it's that when we encourage all that more, we get more people fit as opposed to like when I was growing up, fitness was Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, yeah. That's it, right? Yeah, like the power lifting stuff, you didn't do that because in the Olympics they wore those slingets or whatever they're called. That was like so stupid. Like all through up to where I played junior football, it was still the bodybuilding thing, right? So I was thinking if you want to be active and you that's what you're getting peddled, yeah, then it goes to you know, it's it's changed now where it's being, I think, more acceptable that people just act general. Is so good for you, and then hopefully it branches off to other other things, right?
SPEAKER_01:It is, it's just that the choice. What is that? There's a theory, it's something of the because there's so many choices, it's basically impossible to pick one.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's like the the jam theory. I can't remember what it's called, but like you have three choices of jam, you're gonna enjoy your choice a lot. You have 27 choices of jam, you're never gonna make a choice, you're never gonna be as happy.
SPEAKER_02:Compare people and go through Netflix for all the shows and watch the same shit they've watched before. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_03:But it but it's still better to have 27 choices and fitness and wellness compared to one if you can narrow in and like and choose something.
SPEAKER_04:I think, yeah, I think if it's not rammed down your throat. Like if you have like, hey, I like walking, so I'm just gonna be a fucking I'm gonna walk. That's my thing. Well then that's great, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right, but that that's but I agree that it's good to have a lot of choices. How but the problem is then people like that's the issue. People don't choose and stay consistent because they start something, they do it for two weeks, they're like, I'm not seeing what I maybe that one will be better, and now they go jump and do that thing versus just stick something out and like just do it, put some effort in for you know, three months, four months, five months, and then look back. And if you don't like what you're doing, and here's the thing, like you said, find something you enjoy doing, don't do it because you like so if you're not if you hate CrossFit, but you think CrossFit is gonna get you fit, so you try to do CrossFit, guess what? You're not gonna stick with it because you don't like doing it. But if you like, like you said, walking and you hey, uh maybe I can go walk some hills, that's gonna help me, whatever. But like you so you have to like pair that like what do you actually enjoy physically doing to some degree with sticking with it for a long period of time, and not just like getting sidetracked by well, look at that guy, he's jacked and he does MMA. Well, I should go do MMA, but you hate MMA, and so but you try to do it because it's you know it's a weird, it's a weird thing that people deal with, I think. With it just jumping ship because there's so many things in front of their face when they've opened their Instagram account. I don't know. I see I guess there's so many movement ads right now. Movement, like uh stretch uh stretching, like like uh what's yeah, like all the uh what's that dude who used to Connor McGregor that oh yeah, that what's that move a guy who's like a movement coach? Nat move, yeah, something weird like that. Like you give so many ads for that lately. I don't know why. Maybe he knows I need I should be stretching more.
SPEAKER_04:It's the uh it's the algorithm. Yeah, um and they they like obviously they say like the the thing that separates really successful people with just like average people is just like unrelenting focus on the thing. Yeah, like if you want to be the best runner around, well you better not think or about or do anything other than run. Like that should be your sole focus, but you have to like it to also want to do it. Completely.
SPEAKER_01:And that's where this idea of um everything in moderation goes out the window. For sure. Because anyone who's excellent at something, they don't have moderation in their life. That is the ex the thing that they are obsessed about is their focus, and because of that, they're amazing at it and they become excellent at that thing. So this mod idea of moderation, if you want to be excellent at something, which again, most of us don't need to be excellent at anything, we just need to you know put some time in. But if you want to be like the best, there's moderation is not a word you should be using.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and I mean I think some of that I've been really like reading a lot about gen like talent or genetics versus like training or hard work or whatever, and kind of the the crux of it is like yeah, talent and genetics plays a part. Like you're probably a good swimmer because your arms are nine feet long. If you if you had T-Rex arms, yeah, it definitely helps, right? But like to a degree talent or genetics is not the only part of that, right? Like, oh no, focus and hard work is probably the 99% of the really good swimmers.
SPEAKER_01:And I think you see that over and over again in sports. You see stories of like uh NHL players who maybe weren't the most talented growing up, but they just wanted it. They put in the effort and the more work and they got the best. They're the best. Oh, totally, yeah. And then there's guys who are super, super talented who maybe didn't get even get there because they just didn't care.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I've for sure in every sport there's people that were hypothetically more talented than the pros. Yeah, just never did never showed up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's tough.
SPEAKER_01:It's tough to but you have to find your thing. So find your thing and show up. That's that's the crux here.
SPEAKER_03:That's the key takeaway from I think so.
SPEAKER_01:Find your thing and show up.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Uh speaking of finding your thing, yeah. You owe 50 bucks.
SPEAKER_02:No, uh, from last month I do. Yeah, and for this month for this month so far, I owe you a gigantic apology.
SPEAKER_04:So you owe a hundred dollars.
SPEAKER_02:No, meditation is the coolest thing.
SPEAKER_04:Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I my family does it now. My wife and I do it every night at bedtime. I work out in the morning usually like 5 a.m. or whatever. I get in the sauna about 6 30 and I do a session in the sauna with headphones. Fuck yeah. At the Y. It's it's like I am sorry. Like I'm I'm sorry. Okay, I like that. It is awesome. I did I did one uh yesterday with nothing. No sound, nothing, because that one you sent me, it teaches you all the tricks. I I find now when I I don't know, when I talk to people, I can listen to what Yeah? Is that you listen, you you can actually listen to what they're saying. I'm remembering things about people at work, like, oh, how's that trip you went on and all that kind of stuff? Like it's weird. Except the names.
SPEAKER_01:You're not you still not good with names.
SPEAKER_02:Fuck the names. I'm fucking terrible with names. I'm never getting better with that.
SPEAKER_03:So you have a ridiculous like get up at 3 30 like this. No, no, no, I'm I'm 5 a.m.
SPEAKER_02:and I go work out. He's I don't know where what time are you getting up now?
SPEAKER_04:Like anywhere between I don't have a set, like four o'clock, four thirty five, sometimes six.
SPEAKER_02:No, I go I'm 10:30 bedtime up at 5. But only honestly, like I it's been a game changer. Like even even going to bed at night, I put the phone down. Wife and I leave the phone like way away from the bed. We put on uh like a little Bluetooth speaker between us and we do a session, and then we just roll over and just fucking write to sleep. Like no thoughts in my head, no to-do list for the next day. Yeah, so I'm gonna eat my words. I apologize for making fun of you. I don't owe the money yet. Um, and I'm pretty sure I can do the rest of the month too and once a day. I've been doing two two a days, which is awesome.
SPEAKER_04:So is this gonna persist after our month challenge?
SPEAKER_02:Uh we we pay we paid for the calm app, and I'm such a cheap bastard that if I don't use it, I'm gonna feel bad. So yeah, we're probably gonna do it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I've actually moved away from the calm app because it's they talk too much. I like the silence, but well, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_02:Are you just doing silence?
SPEAKER_04:No, I've been YouTube videos of stuff. I don't know. I'll find something else. Like at some point you have to just be able to do it yourself. I think why don't you just go sit outside? Yeah, literally, right?
SPEAKER_02:I did I did one uh at the Crows like behind our camper. Uh the river, the the Crows Nest River is about 50 meters away or whatever. So I got up in the morning, jumped in the river, got all cold, went and sat in the side, and I did one on the side of the river with the water. Oh man. I'm such an old man. I absolutely love that stuff now. So I'm on your side now, and I apologize for making funny you for the last six months.
SPEAKER_01:I picture him wearing like a monk robe here in about a month.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_01:Sitting on a pillow, just cross leggings, getting rid of all earthly possessions and have you done it? Moving to a silent retreat facility. He's right. Like, have you have you I have I have done it, but not super consistently.
SPEAKER_02:No, this this guided one, it teaches you all these little tricks. So every day is a little trick to keep yourself in that moment and get your equanimity muscles stretched. Yeah, I know you're getting excited, eh? Um, but yeah, I'm uh you still like it more than me. I'm just I I really have enjoyed it, and this this is a really good thing that I've tried.
SPEAKER_04:I like it. Only because I have seen so much benefit in my life from it. Yeah. Like even like I just am never in a sh not never, but 99% of the time I'm just not in a shitty mood anymore.
SPEAKER_01:Somebody commented uh to you at work uh a couple like maybe last week. Yeah. About it too. It's like you're this isn't hey, the the old CJ would be losing his mind right now about this. What's going on?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. It's it's it's been like there's obviously benefits, which is really funny because then the takeaway for that is like you can do things to change how you perceive the world. It's not hard, you just have to be willing to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I was wondering though, because it's like two days in, uh, we're we're at the camper and the kids are just being just being dinks. And so I'm I'm like getting not getting mad at her and just super even keeled. My wife's like at the end of the day, she's like, Are you okay today? Yeah. I'm like, why? I'm like, I why? She's like, you just you just you you weren't really like elevated or anything, the kids are being assholes. I'm like, okay, I don't I have no idea. So then I'm like, well, is that is that the meditation, or is it like a pla is it a placebo effect because you're doing something now, or is it actually meditation? What does it matter? Like it well does it?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. It doesn't. That's the thing about the placebo the placebo effect that's fairly really interesting. In the end, does it matter? It doesn't matter if it's the actual thing you're doing or the fact that you think it's working, because in the end, the result is still doing is still affecting your life or changing something about it. So again, that's why placebo effect is so interesting because it's if there is something in meditation, great.
SPEAKER_02:If there's not, it's the placebo effect.
SPEAKER_01:But but if it is if it's the placebo effect, it's still just like uh the placebo effect with like uh giving soldiers like uh morphine, but it's not. But they somehow they just their brain thinks it is and they don't feel the pain. Is that what they did? Yeah, they gave them like saline. But in the end, and that's that's what how they showed there's their studies showing how why the placebo effect it works and it's actually a thing. And that's one of the studies. And in the end, it's like okay, cool. Does it matter? Like, so sure they didn't get the actual drug, but if it is effective, as effective as getting the actual drug, I mean, obviously it's not gonna work all the time. The drug's gonna work all the time. So if it but if it does work, effectively it's worked. You know what I mean? It's weird, it's a weird thing.
SPEAKER_02:How's your do 50? I don't not this month.
SPEAKER_04:You yeah, it's right there.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's a new 50.
SPEAKER_04:So what's the 50 for? Did you listen to our monthly challenge? Obviously, it's he didn't. It's okay.
SPEAKER_03:No, I didn't listen. The last one I listed when was uh when our friend Allie was on. So it was and I don't remember that's fill me in.
SPEAKER_04:So this is the second month where we've been doing it where it's like, hey, pick something that you think you feel you should be doing every day, but you're not, and then commit to it for a month. And if you don't do it every day, you owe 50 bucks.
SPEAKER_01:So So yeah, something like it doesn't it doesn't have to be physical, it could be something mental health, so whatever, something that you should do.
SPEAKER_03:So all three of you have to meditate.
SPEAKER_01:No, we pick our we pick our own things.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, what was yours?
SPEAKER_04:So first month was meditation, good to go, didn't pay 50 bucks. This month, where I just put my 50 in, is I I said I I'm gonna not have coffee for the first 90 minutes of the day.
SPEAKER_02:Which is probably the easiest one out of that anyone's done.
SPEAKER_04:Fuck that. I'm gonna tell you right now, fuck that. So I had a$50 coffee last week. Yeah. Because I woke up and I was like, I want a goddamn coffee right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Uh my first yeah. So there's this 50 bucks. How do you how do you lose?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like it's just a cost. That one's that one. I don't get it. I still don't get it.
SPEAKER_04:It was here's the funny thing. It was worth it. I I don't even feel bad about it. There you go.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, fuck it. So you picked it, you picked the wrong thing. That's the point. If you picked this month, you picked the wrong thing. My first month was uh breath work every day, and I didn't do it. So the second month I did the same thing, plus a hundred push-ups every day, and so far I've done it. So Jesus boys.
SPEAKER_04:Do you want in on the next month? Oh, hell no.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no. What are you sorry? You ever pop a couple gummies and meditate? No. Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Because I would pick like I don't know, like say if I I wouldn't drink a uh energy drink. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm just too stubborn. So I wouldn't do that. And I'm not gonna do a hundred push-ups because I'm too broken. Do it that's achievable. What? Right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:What do you but it there's got to be something that you know you should be doing every day and aren't doing. There has to be something.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I know there's tons of stuff for sure. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So pick one of those, because then hopefully the goal would be is that you like cement a habit.
SPEAKER_03:But see, I wouldn't do that because I'm only cementing the habit because I'm too cheap. Yeah, but again, regardless of how you're cementing the habit.
SPEAKER_04:In the end, if it continues the habit, because it would hold hopefully it would continue after the 30 days.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's not going to because I didn't no, but it wouldn't because I did it to not lose money. I didn't do it because I really wanted to change it. I did it I did it because I don't want to lose that$50. That's what my wife said. So if I said it, if I said to you boys, let's do this for free, yeah, that's a real challenge. But with the money, you're all you're and then if we keep doing that, that's how your behavior is gonna change, right?
SPEAKER_02:My wife said that. She's like, You're not gonna do this like uh September 1st. I'm like, why? She's like, Well, you won't have to pay 50 bucks if you don't. And she's like, You're so cheap that what you're gonna do is you're gonna do it all of August and then just drop out in September.
SPEAKER_03:No, the upside is you hopefully you pick something that's stuck with you. Yeah, and that that that theory is wrong. I hope so.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and I I would say like I've meditated on and off, sometimes consistently, sometimes not, for the last year and a half. But like for the first month of the last challenge, I just did it for a month and I'm like, fuck it, I like this, I'm just gonna keep going. So I'd say that was successful. I don't know, breath work, like are you gonna keep doing it?
SPEAKER_01:I I love doing it. I find it's honestly it's really similar to meditation in the end because you're it's it's very we very much listening to a script, listening to the music and breathing. So it's really it's basically meditation. Uh I've really enjoyed it. Uh the Hunter push-ups, I want to keep doing. I should I want to I need to increase it, but are you doing like a the Wim Hof 10-minute? Uh yeah, it's 11 minutes. And I found out it's like 14 minutes, it's like four, it's like four sessions. So it's really good. And I like it also because from the breath hole perspective, like it just like so the four the 14-minute one, it goes from I think it goes minute 30. No, I think it goes minute, minute 30, 2 minutes, 2 minutes 30 seconds. And uh depending on the day, like I could I can do two minutes, 30 seconds, not that hard, but some days it's like a struggle. It's just weird how it works some days, but that I've just been loving like that control. And that holding your that's where like the the almost the hallucination and the weird things in your head pop in, and like the feelings are super strange. But in those two minutes, 30 seconds, sometimes it's like I forget that I'm even doing it, that I'm even holding my breath, and I'm like I'm like almost dreaming. Like it's such a weird passing out.
SPEAKER_03:That's what that's just don't touch yourself. You may die.
SPEAKER_01:The one night I was doing it laying in bed beside my wife, and she uh she she actually pushed me because I had like fallen asleep, but I wasn't breathing, and I almost did like a weird, like like a weird um uh noise. Like I can't even explain it. Like a weird if you're holding your breath a long time, like uh I can't think, but like I did this weird, like um passed out noise, and she kind of like hit me. I was like, oh yeah. I was it was so weird. I was like, because you probably did pass up because you're holding your breath. I don't think I did though. Anyway, it's I I enjoyed doing it. I don't know. I'm pretty sure he did. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Did you see Wim Hof released a new video like a week ago? I didn't know. So there's now one with four rounds. Oh, good. Yeah, which is kind of cool. That'll be my next month one is incorporating breath work. Yeah, because I like this challenge. It's just getting me to do something.
SPEAKER_03:So is the long-term goal then to like have this everyday routine where you're gonna get up and at two in the morning because X, Y, and Z?
SPEAKER_04:Uh I don't think explicitly like that. I just I get so much value right now in my life of just having like quiet time in the morning. And whatever I fill that with, maybe it won't always be the same thing, but like just for my general mental well-being, it is like the biggest game changer.
SPEAKER_01:I love it too. I try to get up at five minimum five or four fifty and just even if it's just even if I don't do anything super productive, just sitting, having like a coffee and just reading reading or whatever. Trying to I I need to try not to be on my phone in that first hour. Um, but just it's just a weird thing. And there's a book I haven't read yet. I borrowed it from our our work library, 5 a.m. Club. Um, and I it's again, it's just about that. It's just finding the time. What do you do in the morning?
SPEAKER_03:Um skid up. Oh, I you know what? I used to do all of that. I used to like the stoic every journal every morning, yeah, um, coal plunge, you you name it. I do none of it. I I just do it, I don't have any set routine because I think it's really unhealthy.
SPEAKER_01:A routine?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think it's super unhealthy. Other than like I lay out, like my lunch is made every night before I go to work. Yeah, my my bag is packed with all my clothes. And like everything's laid out. Like I get up in the morning, I brush my teeth, and I like take my vitamins or whatever. Yeah. And out the work. So explain, why do you think it's unhealthy? So I think it puts too much pressure on yourself to to be doing things or stuff where I think when you like your challenge is awesome, but I think it's like for me in my life, what's worked way better is when I can use what I've taken from like in your guys' case, this challenge and imply it when something's going drastically wrong in my life. Right. I found it as a giant pain in the ass to get up in the morning and go, okay, I have to get up in the morning and I have to go breathe. Right. Then I have to go run downstairs into my cold tub, then I have to have this drink with this in it, and then I have to do this. And if I don't do any of that, then I'm not a failure. I'm a failure, and I gotta have my keto. And now it's like I want to be able to like do those things if I need them, if life's going off the rails to have that thing. And I so I think I I just see in people this like I have this checklist of all these things I have to do before I can have a successful day. And in reality, just like get up and whatever you, if you want to read, go to the gym. But if you can lean on those things that you've learned from doing these challenges and implement them in life when you need them, I think it's more important than um you have to do X, Y, and Z.
SPEAKER_02:With the getting up early, though, there is a bit of stress. I find there's a bit of stress that I put on myself to get to bed by a certain time. And if I'm not like sleeping by like 10:30, I'm like, oh shit, tomorrow morning is now gonna be suck. And I get a little stress-y about that. So I don't like that aspect of of waking up early. I don't know if you feel it, because you get up way early than me, like where it's like, oh shit, it's 10 o'clock, I gotta get up to bed.
SPEAKER_04:I I definitely and I can see where you're coming from with if you impose a routine every day and then you miss it.
SPEAKER_03:Like that's what I'm saying, right? And and I think that's part of the message is being pumped out there to people, is to be this level of certain something, fitness, whatever. This is like what you have to do. And like that, a lot of those steps are really great, but it's a real unhealthy expectation to be putting on people like you have to do X, Y, and Z, and then you just gotta go, okay. The person telling me I have to do all that, uh, you know, super wealthy, yeah, paid for by sponsors, yeah, has a maid. Well, yeah, well, no shit, bro. You can get up at 5 a.m. Yeah and do 17 things before you know you or I like we can't do 17 things. So if anyone in this room can get up at four and meditate, and then they have to go be a parent and get to work, that like that's that's awesome.
SPEAKER_04:I think if you I think it like, and at least if I uh like apply this to my own situation, I think if you're willing to like take parts in and out as it fits your level, yeah, that's what I'm saying, right?
SPEAKER_03:And that and that should be the focus of overall wellness and fitness is the moving parts, what you know, like kind of what you're doing, like you're having the jitsu, it didn't fit what you wanted to do. And instead of people being like, Well, fuck that guy doesn't come to jujitsu anymore, we should be like, Well, we're still gonna mock you because that's how we know we should be like, No, that's cool that he found this thing that like makes him so happy, and when he's done that, he can come back and do this. And then when you guys are like, whatever it is, it is this is like not putting pressure on everybody to be like you have to do X, Y, and Z. And it's like, you know what, dude, if you get up and you run, I hate it, but you run it, like awesome. Go go run the best you you can, right?
SPEAKER_04:Like, I think we just need so much more of that out in the world than yeah, and I think like a lot of it, depending on how you are as a person, if you thrive on a certain degree of structure, or because like if I look at my brain, structure is kind of the only way I can ensure I get done the things that I want to get done. Uh and without that structure, I'm just a spilled bottle of fuck.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. But have you seen like the the new there's a couple guys I seen on Instagram? It is literally like wake up 343. Yeah, 345, yeah, pray. Yeah, yeah. Like, we don't need that. Like, if you want to get up at 345 and pray, fill your boots, man. If that that what makes you happy in life, right on, do that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but you should be able to if that's if that's just stressing you out, right?
SPEAKER_03:But like when you start like because then you we start comparing ourselves. So it's like, okay, well, that guy has all the things and we want, whatever it is, it doesn't matter if his fitness he has, but so that's what he's doing. Well, fuck he ain't doing that, right? Right? Like, but it it it's it's a marketing tool back to what you said, and it's just disgusting because we should be promoting all of it to make us better people.
SPEAKER_04:And we have these like have you seen the video on Instagram of the guy? It's like uh living my life like one day doing everything Andrew Huberman says to do. And it's like I say that yeah, he's like getting up and like it's like 4 a.m. He's doing this, 5 a.m., 6 a.m. 7 a.m. 8 a.m. 9 a.m. It's like noon. Okay, no, I gotta do this now. Yeah, like that's what it is, right?
SPEAKER_03:Like, if you were independently wealthy, yeah, that's that's what I'm saying, right? So people just need to find what works for them and their family and their kids when it comes to activity like fitness and just go have fun with it. And if it's just hiking for six months of the year, yeah, that's great. Yeah, oh talking about better, better than than doing nothing, right?
SPEAKER_01:Like, yeah, I think that's it. I think you have to kind of evaluate what stresses you out and what makes you feel fulfilled. And like if you schedule, if you thrive on a schedule, like then and you feel better by doing that, then I think that that maybe there's nothing wrong with it. But I I'm I understand what you're saying. Like, if you're putting that pressure and you end up showing the whip to work, you're like, Oh, I didn't do that one extra thing that I was gonna do this morning, now my day is ruined. If that's what you're with that's more of your style, then yeah, maybe this that isn't a good structure to have or idea to have in your head. It's really interesting. I yeah, the extra pressure and stress you put on yourself for just really some BS that I mean maybe it's helping you throughout the day or not. I I think in general, the the gratitude idea is kind of something that's super easy to do that is and like, but like I don't do it enough. Whereas like maybe in the morning getting up, having my coffee, and if I'm not doing my breath work and the cold punch and all the things, uh a simple like just acknowledging, all right, today's gonna be a good day. I'm really thankful for this and this and this, or whatever the thing is, and like that's so simple just to get in that mindset. Um, and again, it's not like it's not a step in the morning necessarily, but it's like acknowledgement of like I don't know, it's weird. I think that's something that's super easy to do that I don't do enough.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I think you can I can't remember what I was reading like not too long ago, but it's like the things you can control is like the first thing you kind of think about in the when you wake up and the last thing you think about before you go to bed. And like I think even if you just get that correct, if you don't wake up and if you wake up and be like, okay, today's gonna be a good day. I'm not gonna be a dick. It's probably a good day, right? I'll try to I'll try my best not to be like it doesn't have to be super complicated, and and and to your point, like I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that are just like fucking 345, I gotta fucking meditate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Right. I mean, it it I guess it's could be healthy, but I think it's probably in the long run not healthy because it goes back to what we're talking about earlier, saying like people that want to be really good at something, sacrifice, like dude, I live that for five years. Yeah, completely right, like for five years straight, yeah, fighting has been like not me personally, obviously, but coaching has been my life. Yeah, like so it's not super healthy to be so willing to give up everything to go do that, whether it's family holidays, um, time away from like yeah, we've had super good results, yeah. Um, and I wouldn't change it in the world, but like it's a really is unhealthy thing, yeah. That I don't think enough people um talk about, right? And it doesn't even have to be fighting. Like for you running, it could be really unhealthy if that is your whole life. Because I when you stop running, like when that race over, you're gonna get a massive yeah, now what? Now what, right? And so it's like like it's awesome that we push each other, but there's also those other sides where I don't think people are being very honest about that that cliff. And even like the the first um fight I had, dude, that's this amateur fighting in Calgary. It's it's not like it's crazy that people fight, it is really not intelligent, but like it's not that big of a deal, right? Dude, I was depressed for weeks afterwards. I remember moping around my house going, well, now what do I do with myself? Right, right. So like it there's so many unhealthy balances and that we can get in the name of like fitness when it's like maybe we just celebrate each person's small win, right? Whatever the fuck that is for them. Yeah, right. What is for good for you? That that's awesome. Like, there's zero need for the for us to compare anything, what we're going through, right? Other than like if you're working hard and you're like above board and you're crushing it, then good on you. We should all be supporting each other.
SPEAKER_04:Because it's just it's like that wave of purpose. Like I imagine, right? Like, okay, my purpose was fighting, and now my purpose has changed. What is my purpose now, right? Like, yeah, uh, and and the nice thing, I think some of that is like super consistent with family. My purpose is to be a parent, my purpose is to be a husband, whatever. But then my purpose is to be a fighter, okay. Now that's changed. What's my purpose now? Coaching or something like that. And then like at some point, I might be like, uh, now what's my purpose? Right? Like, it's hard to navigate that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because the music ends at some point, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, doesn't matter what it is, like it it's it does end, and but that's but to take that full circle, that's where I find like a lot of people like when we're talking about like yeah, people just aren't into anything. It's like I think there is the alternative of going through life not having that purpose and just going like ah fuck today's another day, I'm just gonna get to the end of the fucking day.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, that would suck. You need to have purpose, right? But like I feel the message is your purpose is never enough, and that's part of why I don't like a super set routine, because I think we're also pumping to so many people that you're not enough. Oh, you work out at five, you should be doing this. You do these four. Oh, you know, you ran 160 kilometers, John. Why didn't you run 200? Yeah, yeah, real like do you know what I mean? And I think it's become so unhealthy that we're turning people off, that we're going backwards.
SPEAKER_02:Do you feel like people are have a harder time of being happy for other people now in that sense? Like if he goes around 100k, and then is is it like other people saying, well, why didn't you run 120? or well, 130. Oh, isn't that? Is that kind of what it is? Because I have trouble being happy for certain people because you know we're we're all people, right? And I maybe I don't like some people or whatever, but I and that's one some of those sessions we're doing, it's where you think of this random person, like your Walmart cashier, just envision one, and you in the meditation session you you you repeat phrases about how you're happy for them, and then you do that same with people you know and people you don't like and all that kind of stuff. I have a lot of trouble with those ones, yeah. Because it's trying to teach you to be happy with people you don't like, like oh that person you don't like, let's say runs a hundred miles, just to be happy for him because he accomplished something. I don't know if people still uh have trouble doing that or not.
SPEAKER_03:But if even if I dislike you and you I guess maybe happy is not the right word. I don't need to be upset or compare like whatever you can do comparative to, right? Yeah, in the world.
SPEAKER_01:You can acknowledge they did something.
SPEAKER_03:You did so if you did something good, you did something good, like but it doesn't really affect me, right?
SPEAKER_04:I think the risk is the other side of that, the like Schoden Freud or whatever the term is, is like taking pleasure in other people's misery. Yeah, that's not a good idea. I've I've definitely done that. I think every human being has done that really like. Yeah, fuck that guy. You suck. I'm glad you lost. Yeah. That's the emotion to avoid or the thought process to avoid. And we've all been there.
SPEAKER_02:We've all had that emotion kick out of it.
SPEAKER_04:For sure.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:It's not a healthy thing. I I completely agree with you saying just trying to like accept or be happy for people for where they're at. And I think honestly, in our little world of where we work and where we work out, most of us, I think we're we could do better, but I think in general it's a it's a good place to be because people are very willing to be like, hey, you're looking really good. You do I think good job showing up again today. Or I think there's at least when I'm there for the most part, there's good conversation and just just positivity.
SPEAKER_02:Do you think that has changed? It's like we're what 15 years or whatever in, or what like do you think that's that has changed? Because I feel like it has. Yeah, like massively, especially in the nursing home where people are happy for each other a lot more now than it used to be.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't know about that. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't extend that to maybe the whole of the thing. I'm just saying in in the gym, in when in the morning when I'm there, and there's people that are there when I'm usually where they're it just seems it's it's a positive place. People are happy for each other. They're and people who start showing up who maybe weren't showing up before because they have some work they want to do. There's no like, oh yeah, you got a lot of work to do. It's like, hey, awesome, you're here, good job. Get on that the stairmaster like you do every morning. I was like, you're doing something. That's awesome. Cool. Um, I I just I like that about where we work out for the most part. I and again, I've never seen anything but that, which is which is good.
SPEAKER_02:I think the gym at the the home has been used in the last two years, has been massively used more than it used to be. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I don't I'm not sure. I I just I feel like it's a good spot. And I think it's interesting when you go to other bigger gyms, like if I go to the Y because my kids' swimming or something, I decide to go work out. Um you still see the the bros and the guys who like are super judgy potentially. Okay, my perception is they're being judgy, maybe they're not, but because like and I've said this before, like it's difficult when you see people who are obviously have a long journey to go when they show up to the gym. And but it's like or or you see them walking down the road. And uh what I've tried, instead of like having like a negative thought, I really try to get in my head when I see somebody who's super overweight, who's go out for a walk. I'm like, that is awesome. Like they're taking steps, they're doing they're doing, they're trying to do something with their life, they're trying to make a uh a change. Whether they are or they aren't, I don't know. But I think in my I've had a bad internal, like where you kind of you judge them.
SPEAKER_02:I understand you're still looking in their grocery cart when they walk by you in Walmart. Like, what's in there? That's true.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not, I'm putting that back. But like, I just think if you can foster that attitude, I think it's very much like a like a meditative thing where it doesn't maybe your first initial thought is ooh, but then you're like, no, like that's awesome. They're they're out there, they showed up, they're going for a walk, they're doing the something. I think you have to kind of force yourself to like have the positive even if you had initial negative maybe thought or something that was maybe not so nice, you have to get back into that you have it's a trained thing. It's like it's a trained, uh, just like meditation is you you lose sight.
SPEAKER_03:But like think we were saying about the the nursing room, right? Look how many small things get celebrated now, yeah. Uh compared to that's a good point. Uh previous um previous people in charge. I agree. Right? So yeah, you need to point out you need to embrace people's successes in life.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you do.
SPEAKER_03:There's people that you know, I don't give a shit what some of this stuff is. Like you'll be in an there'll be an announcement, and you're like, oh whatever, like who really cares about that? But to that person is important, it's gonna make them feel better. Look and look at the cultural shift. Like, there's there's no different place than where the home, yeah, for how it's shifted. And look at what is the one thing you can tell we do? They promote wellness, but they promote little things that this guy did this, this girl did this, this girl. You see that around, and then look at what it does to people, right? So why not apply that in our all everyday life? Completely, right? Like just fuck it. I yeah, you're an asshole, but you know what? You you you your kid did something pretty cool. Good on you. Yeah, like good on your family. I'm happy for you guys. Do I does it affect me either way? No, but it's a way better emotion than like, yeah, well, fuck you, you didn't deserve that, right? Completely. Because it is, because it doesn't matter, right? So you're just robbing yourself of your own, like you're just putting internalized in something that doesn't matter to you, and like, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's just so easy, like that's the trap, and I I guess if you're conscious or if you're aware of that, but it's just so easy to be like fuck that guy, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so this may this may not be real related, but so like I I've taken stress leaves and from work before, right? And I got um for my mental health, and I got reading some fancy ass psychology book, like Jesus, it was like so big, and I got part way through it. And the only thing that ever stuck with me is basically like they're talking about like how to like deal with people, right? Like from your perspective, like you know, you looking at somebody instead of being angry, pissed off, or whatever, going that dude's only doing what he was raised or what he was taught. And I was like, Well shit, why do I really care that much about anyone around me? Like, there I don't really believe people are these evil monsters. I mean, there's some are for sure, like we can't deny that. But for the most part, most of us day-to-day man, we're just fucking doing trying to do our best with what we were given. Yeah, and like so. When you see someone like where we work at the nursing home and we call the think them, maybe maybe that guy's being a little bit psychotic because that's literally what he thinks is right. Yeah, and like, who the hell am I? I mean, uh shade of laws being broken in all areas of life, right? But who am I to like think that where I was raised and the way I always think is much better than you, right? And and even if in some cases, obviously some things are handled way better than others, but then it's like, dude, you're just doing what you know, right? And I think this like so, like I think we also have to remind ourselves that when we're dealing with people, whether it's like fitness or other things, that poor dude is just doing what he knows, and and we're just doing what we know, and just maybe we had a better people guiding us as to why that you know that that would happen.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah, it's funny you say that because this came up, we talked about this a lot. I think the last podcast is like, and I'm trying to I still want to be more mindful or just aware of this, is like generally, I think my perception is when you talk to other people, like, yeah, they're just doing what they know, but like every single person, it's like this internal tornado, and then you get a sliver of their attention, and then it's back to this internal tornado, right? And like whatever's going on inside, however they're acting that that day or treating you, it's like, oh, I'm getting a little sliver outside of this, but then they're just returning to this internal fucking whirlwind of whatever's going on in their life that you have no idea about, or like how they were raised, or how they're actually think about things, and it's like, yeah, you can't really take any of that seriously.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's sort of that, like we talked about the book that four agreements a million times, but like that don't take anything personally side of it, right? It's like because you don't again, it's not about you, like the interaction that we're having, it whatever they're saying to you or however they're responding to you isn't really about you, it's how they're perceiving something or they're filtering it through their brain of whatever they've grew up with, and then they're putting out this output, and you take it personally because we all take everything personally because that's we're in our own heads, but in the end you have to realize that none of that that everything that that that thing you said went through all those filters in their brain and came out a different thing, and so you can't take it personally. It's just like, okay, there's something's going on in their life, like right now. I don't know. It's really interesting.
SPEAKER_04:It's just interesting because like I don't know if you notice this in yourselves, but like for me, it's just like most of the day is spent just up here.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Every now and then it's like, hey, what's up, Joel? Backed up here. Yeah, you we live in our heads. Like it's fucking weird. Like, it's just bizarre how much time you just spend just churning in your own head, like, yeah, there's fucking all this stuff going on, like whatever. Oh, hey, what's up, Joel? Yeah, back to my shit.
SPEAKER_01:And that's where I think that that's where I think your guys' meditation stuff and like even the breath work, and I think that's all, and like I know you've done this in the past too. I think it's all useful because you can train yourself to try and see things on possible.
SPEAKER_03:Right. No, you need to learn how to do it so that when you're sitting at wherever it is, whether it's you want to strangle your 18-year-old son because you have he has an answer to his phone or whatever that case maybe, you'd be like, you know what's gonna what could work for me right now is this breathing. Completely right, this box breathing. This is what I need right now at this moment. That's a far better message to send than if you don't do X, Y, and Z, you're not gonna be healthy and you have to do this all the time. It's like, you know what, if you do this, learn how to do it, lean into it. Then when you need it, like you guys are all saying, when life is going off the rails, because it's going to go, yeah, right. You can be like, I know what to do in this situation, or I know, like, again, I don't think there's any fucking benefit to a cold plunge. None. Other other than you know what, you like it because it is a challenge to you. It's hard, yeah. And whatever reason, that's the benefit right there, right? So, like, so it's like, oh, you know, I know if this has happened, I know if I go do that cold plunge, that's gonna reset me. Reset me, right? I think it's more important to learn different ways to reset ourselves than saying this is what we have to do, and if I don't do it this way, then I'm a failure, right? Because what works for you, yeah, right, um, it's not gonna be gonna work for me. Completely, right? So then it's that's I think that's a more important thing that when we're then the when life is going shitty because it's going to, we have a gigantic toolbox of things that we can do to get on track. Yeah, and maybe one doesn't work in that one situation, right? Yep.
SPEAKER_01:I completely agree. And like you're saying like that re like in your head, you're in your head all day. That that that uh tornado of thoughts that starts becoming negative in some way, for whatever that reason is, those resets are huge to know for that, just even your thought process. Because like we've talked about before, like where you're driving home and you're thinking, oh man, what if my what if my child got murdered today at school, and then you start thinking about all the things that are gonna happen, like, why am I thinking about this? And it's like you have to like reset your thoughts. Like, this is such a stupid thing to start thinking about and running down. So you're like, okay, a deep breath, all right, let's move on. And you just and like it's like noticing it's your mind's wandered, breathe, move on, back get your head back out straight. But it's so helpful.
SPEAKER_04:It's so hard being a human being. That's yeah, we can't.
SPEAKER_01:I I think it I think it's it's interesting, right? Because I think our perception is first of all, I think anything we're going through is not hard comparably to other things in the world that are happening that we don't have to go through. So it's like it's that keeping that like perspective of like we are super lucky with where we're at in our lives because there's some crazy things in this world that we don't have to deal with. So it's like it's like the human experience is such a different thing from one person to the next, and I find that so interesting, right?
SPEAKER_04:That's why I think there'd be benefit. I I've never traveled a lot in my life. Um, and I was thinking about this the other day of like I know that there's places in the world where like things are really shitty. Yep. But even knowing that there's still this little voice in my head being like, Yeah, but you haven't seen it, right?
SPEAKER_03:You haven't been there, yeah. No, no, there is, man.
SPEAKER_01:Traveling when I was 20, when going when I was 20, throughout traveling to like uh like Thailand and uh all these like and going to super poor areas in in Bangkok and stuff, you're like, okay, like it's it was an eye-opener, right? And you're seeing how people live. I went to an orphanage in Bangkok and uh for the a day, and it was just like it was just heartbreaking, right? Seeing seeing it, and you're like, okay, this is the world is very different for different people, and just birth lottery, that's all it was. Yeah, yeah, to go over here and yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_03:So so again, it's like imagine if we applied like being positive about where we live, yeah, completely right to our to our daily lives, which is something that I don't do often. No, and I mean it's the trend right now, right? Like it's totally it's the trend. So many people are looking for every single negative thing you could say, and like there obviously there's lots, right? There's lots, but you know, I always hear like we always hear about how shitty it is to live in our province, right? It sucks, it sucks, it sucks, it sucks. We're all broke. I just spent a weekend in Gall Lake, 500 RVs parked on a site with probably 500 diesel trucks, yeah. Yeah, we're not hurting, guys. Like a million milk. Like, I get it, right? Because of whatever you believe, and certain things are gonna rub you the wrong way at certain points in time. But why can't we just at the end of the day be like, we live in a fucking awesome country? Like we truly do, man. Like, yeah, there's things that suck about it, but we live in a wicked country in a wicked province. Why can't we just celebrate that?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and and because most of it, I think some of it is we're just so like the media or just we're just pushed all this negativity right now. Right.
SPEAKER_03:But we all know, like the four of us all know, that's not good to even listen to them. Totally. But then why do we let it affect us?
SPEAKER_01:Because we're idiots, yeah. Literally.
SPEAKER_03:We get sucked in. Because like that's I like I pay I spend a lot of time on it because it's it's just fascinating to me because I like like his story stuff, but like I don't give a shit who our prime minister is, premier, it does not matter to me in the least. Yeah, don't care.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because and truly, I think that's an application of like control what you can do.
SPEAKER_03:You need to know what's going on in your country, right? But like we spend so much time looking on all the shitty things that's going on, and like everyone in this room must have you could all rattle off like half a dozen things that are just awesome about your life.
SPEAKER_05:Completely.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I was just thinking about I was thinking about the other day. I was like, my daughter's like, I'm glad she was born here and not like somewhere else. Yeah, like that would suck. Yeah, she wouldn't be adorned to them.
SPEAKER_03:And we know, like to me, it's crazy. We know those places suck, but we listen to people when they try, well, they're not that bad.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_03:We all know they're that bad. Yeah. I mean, there's places that aren't as bad as is but portrayed, right? But like we all know we live like we were born in wicked places.
SPEAKER_04:I think, but again, to take it back to the travel thing, I think there's merit in seeing those things because I haven't seen them and I know they exist, but my monkey brain's like, I still kind of like for perspective on how good you kind of have it or whatever.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right. Yeah, like go join uh go jump on some church mission thing down to build a house. Do it honestly, as much as as much as I'm not involved in that anymore, it's it's why do you I'll ask you this, Kurt.
SPEAKER_03:Why do you need to travel to see that?
SPEAKER_04:Uh look in your own community. I'm so jaded in my own community.
SPEAKER_03:No, but just like look at the disparity in your community. We know some of that is yeah, choice. We know we know. We're not so why do we need to go to see what it's really like in another for like we have that right here? So why would there why would we not have it somewhere else?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and maybe more so like the context I'm thinking of is like living in war-torn countries or stuff. Because I still think there is there is obviously a spectrum of that. Like, yes, there is poverty here and there are shitty things here. Yeah, I think the level of shitty can still be a lot shittier for the shitty.
SPEAKER_02:Because there is like a there's a war-torn version of Curtis in another country that is has it way worse because he just can't get out and then the circumstances are all against him.
SPEAKER_04:Like six foot three, two hundred and ten pounds, kind of filled.
SPEAKER_02:But like all the circumstances are gets him. So there there are places where no one can succeed at all. Right? For sure. And I think that's kind of what you're talking about. Like that would be putting it into perspective how good Canada is.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because like because to your credit, that's exactly where my thoughts have been the other day. I was like, oh, we live in like a pretty nice place, like things are pretty good. Like I I got a pretty good here. But we do, right? Um, and I think there's merit in getting perspective, and sometimes, depending on how open your brain is, is to do those things, is like sometimes like for me, I have to touch a hot stove to know it's hot, right? Like that's just how my monkey brain works. That means you're dumb a little bit.
SPEAKER_02:That's a good reference for that, though. I I get it. You know what I mean? I get it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And some of it here, like at least the poverty. I I think I know like the things you're talking about here. A lot of it is just you just get blunted to, right? Like you turn it off, or you just kind of like yeah, it's yeah, you see it, you see it every day, so it kind of but you do over there too.
SPEAKER_02:You for sure.
SPEAKER_01:For sure. That's the thing, is like it's all it's real while you're there for that first 10 minutes you're in it, and then all of a sudden you're in it for like a week, and it's nor it's like, oh yeah, there it is. Like there's the there's the dead guy on the side of the street. Yeah, yeah. Like 100%. You get like it's just a weird thing that you humans just can push things out of the to the side that aren't relevant in that moment, or it just become normal. And that was the way that the prostitution in Thailand was. Like when we first showed up and we were seeing like 60-year-old dudes walking around with girls who look like they were like like young teenagers, just pissed us off. Like, from you're like, what you want to go like knock these kids, these dudes out, and then all of a sudden, by a week into the trip, you're not even you're not even seeing it anymore.
unknown:I don't like that.
SPEAKER_01:I know, man. It's weird. I don't like what that you just get used to that. But why? Well, because it's wrong. It's wrong, man, but you get used to it. Like and again, it's like what are you gonna do? Well, nothing, and that's the problem. You can't do anything, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But like so you just head in the sand like we like like I do with the news here, where I just don't pay attention to it at all because I don't can't do anything about it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like I I think that's the problem, right? Is like you can't do anything about it, so then But why do you feel the need to? Uh should I not be concerned about that? Well, no, but like I think you should still because it conflicts with my values. I I I I feel the need to because it conflicts with my values.
SPEAKER_01:It makes sense, but I think the problem is like what can you do about it? Yeah, literally nothing. Like it makes sense that it would bother you, is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:And arguab arguably you can do things about it. I'm sure there's f funding, fundraising, missions, time, volunteer, whatever. Yeah, that you can implement then again, you're gonna get back. I I if I was in that situation, I'm gonna get back home and be like, yeah, I gotta go to sport poll on Tuesday, I'm fucking busy.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and you'd be like and and and then you'd be a month later, you'd be like, That solved nothing. Totally. You know what I mean? Like you're you felt good in the moment because you you're helping, like I'm using air quotes. You felt because I've done I did this growing up uh with in church things, like where you would go and you'd help an area, you would go do something as a mission, and you felt like, oh my god, we did so so we did awesome. We helped so many people, and then you realize like a week after you got home, it's like, oh, this we it was literally like putting your finger in like what a hole, and there's a million holes around. Like it it what'd you do? I don't know. Maybe you affected one person's life positively. Yeah, exactly. You still saw it.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe I guess maybe some people have to put their fingers in the holes. They do, they just do. There's no way around it.
SPEAKER_01:And that's good because some some because people should be, you know what I mean? In the end, that's a good thing. That's where it's like people who go and do these missions and devote all their time to trying to help people, they're amazing people, like because they care and they want to help. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, I'm just I'm just thinking about what Curtis said. I just find it interesting.
SPEAKER_04:What part?
SPEAKER_03:What's that? What part did it so if you're in Thailand and you saw what he saw, that would bother you?
SPEAKER_04:It would, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it bothered me initially, for sure. Yeah, it bothered me.
SPEAKER_04:I I don't know, I don't know how it couldn't. Like, just think it's your moral. So just to be clear, I'm picturing like a 10 to 12 year old girl walking around with like a six-year-old dude.
SPEAKER_01:It'd be more like uh like it's obviously a teenager, but like my guess is like 14 to 15, maybe 16. But don't think that that doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_02:But they're getting like it's not like they're running a private business, they're getting human trafficked.
SPEAKER_01:That just completely. And and it's it's literally like it's there's they literally set up sex tourism in Thailand where these dudes fly in from Germany. I don't know why it might not be Germans, it could be it's probably they fly in, they met at the airport with the girl who they're gonna be with for the month, and they come for the month, and they that it's like literally how they sell buy it as a package deal, essentially. And it's disgusting, and it's uh when you first see it, you're it's it takes you back because you're like, it's a very obvious the age disparity, and that this isn't necessarily a willing participant on behalf of on the girl's side of it. So yeah, it it it does bother you, but then again, you just see it all everywhere, it's everywhere in that country, so you just stop noticing it, and it doesn't bother you as much. If you sit and think about it, it'll still bother you like it did day one, but you just stop noticing it, basically is what I'm trying to say.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because I like for me, I think like, yeah, I just like walk up to the guy and punch him in the fucking face. And then the next guy and the next guy and the next guy. Like nothing's gonna change.
SPEAKER_01:And then you go to Thai prison. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That'd be good.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know. Uh and that's part like that is the whole thing of control what you can, right? And there's just so much out of your control that like the expenditure of energy toward it is futile.
SPEAKER_02:So last week I got I got to see Paul Brandt talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So and he has that Not in My City Foundation. And what started was he was in Cambodia and he saw a girl being human trafficked, and he literally used he had money though. So they bit the purchased a school, they they built they were building a building to be like a human trafficking building. He bought that building and then pretty much went to the human trafficking building? No, like it like this is gonna be a hotel for human traffickers. Like seriously, that the that the hotel was being built to have sex tourism inside of this hotel in Cambodia.
SPEAKER_04:Paul Brandt didn't build that.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, Paul Brandt was there when they were building it. I was so excited.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry, it made it sound like it sounded like he built. I was like, wait a minute, I'm confused. Is he for or against the building? No, no.
SPEAKER_02:So he saw so he bought the building that was being built for that, and then they redid it, turned it into a school. Thank you. And he went back to the town a year and a half later, and the town has completely rechanged itself. So that that again, that one guy who saw one girl being human trafficked, it bothered him enough that he had the financial backing to do something like this. So and that was a really good thing, affected tons of people's lives. So you getting bothered by it is a normal thing, and I think it's completely fine. And if you want to do something about it, you can. He just had more resources to do that thing.
unknown:Totally.
SPEAKER_04:So it's a good thing. And he probably doesn't have to go to sport ball on Tuesday.
SPEAKER_02:No, he doesn't have to go to sport ball. He can pay someone to take his kids to sport ball.
SPEAKER_01:It's a good thing, but I I'm I I agree with what you said, Joel. Like that, you could apply that same to our community.
SPEAKER_03:So you could find we have we have people being trafficked here. Where's where we 100% do? Where's where's Paul Brent building some sort of facility? Because it doesn't have the same publicity to it, right? And that's when you're described that.
SPEAKER_02:I would probably suggest to you that the human trafficking in a third world country is a lot worse than it is in Canada. Right, but you know what?
SPEAKER_03:Who does it affect more? In Canada or in third world country? The human who does it affect in this room more?
SPEAKER_02:In this room, right?
SPEAKER_03:Well, right now it affects my I don't live in a third world country. Right, you don't, right? So it affects but it affects my country.
SPEAKER_02:On a larger scale, but the human race does.
SPEAKER_03:Right, but it affects my country more. Yeah, right. Right. If the human trafficking is going here. So again, so when people do those things, awesome that you got a good publicity shot for helping something, but how about you do something in your community where it actually affects where you live? Underage human trafficking, I think would be a lot less in Canada and a lot harder, and a lot more things, but a lot less visible, so it's harder to find human trafficking out of it. There's all sorts of things our celebrities vote for in other countries that they don't do over here, right? So when you initially were describing that situation, I wasn't looking at it from a human like traffic per perspective. One thing I was interested is to ask you is when because I thought it was like you're talking about the customs of like you know, over there, like dudes just hook up social norm. Right. So why do we in North America think the world has to follow our our playbook?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, we're it's we're not the police of the world.
SPEAKER_03:Right? Why do we believe what these countries live is wrong and we're the solely right person of of these things? Whether it's why do we believe like you can't have more than two wives or why guys can't be with guys? I'm on I'm all on board until you talk about trafficking girls in the day. No, I know no, I agree on that. But I'm just but I thought that's not what I thought he originally.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, why why are two wives the right like why is one right wife the right thing?
SPEAKER_03:But just any of it, any of it, right? Why who gave us the right as North Americans to tell the world our way of life, our belief system is how you will all follow?
SPEAKER_02:For certain things, yes.
SPEAKER_03:But why for any?
SPEAKER_02:Well, no, like, but then we bring in victimization of anyone under the age of 18. I think there's a giant issue. There is a humanitarian issue, not just a local issue. But I'm not talking about like I know you're not, but but for some things, yes, for other things, no.
SPEAKER_01:I I agree. So I agree with you what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02:I think that we our our belief system is really good in some ways where it protects victims who are under the age of 18, right? That that's fair to say. So that social norm should be all over the world because they are innocent victims and they can't control it. But for like two wives, other things like that, like going to church on Sunday, all that stuff. Yeah, that that we shouldn't impose that on the internet.
SPEAKER_03:I think we could all agree crime is crime. Yeah. Yes, you know, and I don't I I think there's more people in around the world that would not approve it. I'm just thinking your day-to-day uh your social norms. I don't know why.
SPEAKER_02:Why do we believe that we have why is our government way the best way? Why should we try and make their government like ours? Like that kind of stuff, a hundred percent. I don't know why we do that.
SPEAKER_04:I think our system is still the shittiest is the best shitty version of a lot of shitty options.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? Right, but I but I agree. I don't why why do we need to impose that on other countries?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if we need to impose it per se, but because other things have been tried and they didn't work. Yeah, I guess. Maybe there's probably there's probably honestly a better system that somebody has somewhere or we haven't discovered yet.
SPEAKER_04:Monarchies.
SPEAKER_03:Well, there's but every system would every system would fail. It's human nature. Yeah, yeah. I think I didn't give you that. Didn't I give you that book? Yeah. Or did I give you that book? No, there's another one. Oh no, no. I'll get to, but I mean it doesn't matter what system political system you put into place, they'll all fail because human the same human characteristics will repeat itself, whether it's 150 years, 300 years, 50 years. No, yeah, we're not gonna be there. They're all doomed to fail because of like communism, if you think about it, has a lot of great things to it. Yeah, truly, I'm sorry it does. No, I agree too. So does capitalism, but when you put them all together, they all is gonna blow up because of human nature. So there is no perfect system. But I'm just meaning like, why do like if they're communists in Russia, why are we spending all our time and energy, like why do we focus so much on other countries' shit when we are in a disaster here? But we're not even a real disaster, but we're like we're flawed here. Our version of a disaster. We're flawed here, yeah, right? But our flawed here is not even that bad. And why do we care if that's that country over there? Because it really doesn't affect us, right? And you could say, yeah, we're all part of the human race, but we don't have that same empathy for the people we see in our community. Right. So that's is I find it interesting that it's really cool or it's really trendy to have empathy for the world, right? And pretend you care about human races and you want a better human race, but we won't do it in our own backyards.
SPEAKER_02:I'd say a lot of the changes are easier to make in other countries than it is here, though, as well. Like some of the stuff is more prevalent, more visible over there, you can make that change easier and enact a little bit of change to get that celebrity pat on the back or whatever, right? As opposed to here where there's might be more barriers and some of that crime is not as visible because it's hidden because we enforce laws a little better than other countries do.
SPEAKER_01:It's complicated.
SPEAKER_04:It's well, the geopolitics of it or the the economics of it are super complicated. And like the problem is I also think there's a spectrum of like we can all agree there's like a slice of things that we all think is wrong. There's a slice of things that we're like, eh, we probably wouldn't do that here, and then there's a slice of things that we're like, yeah, we're doing things correct, right? But like those lines between those things are blurred as you cross from one to the other, right? Like, for example, I don't think that women should be forced to cover their faces. However, I don't really have a strong feeling about that. I'm just saying that that's my belief based on how I was raised, based on my values, based on whatever. But like that blends then into the spectrum of like, yeah, they're forced to cover their faces, but hey, are they also forced to have non-consensual sex with their husbands? Or are they forced to into female genital mutilation? Like, where does it stop, right? Like it's not just like this one thing happens, it's like there's a there's a spectrum of all these things. So like you can be okay with some of it, but then by being okay with some of it, you kind of imply the license that I'm then okay with like the other things that are does that make sense?
SPEAKER_03:No, I I totally get it, but why do we have why should our energy be at that towards that at all? I I I don't know instead of celebrating all the wicked things we have.
SPEAKER_04:Well, and I mean that I would agree with you with like we can we can certainly focus our energy, and we should be we should be focusing our energy here being like this is a great place to live.
SPEAKER_02:For for really heinous stuff, our energy might have to be there because no one else is putting the energy to fix that problem. Terrorism, all the all the all the really horrible stuff, right? They're there are the third world countries where no one's actually protecting these people when somebody has to, but then there's other things, it it's such a great energy.
SPEAKER_04:But it depends on energy like the energy that we're actually putting into is being like, oh, that's fucked up, and then just going back to our own lives, anyways, right?
SPEAKER_02:Like, or then like why are we picking on the smaller things that are wrong in other countries when we have a lot of bigger things wrong here that we should be putting that energy towards instead of the smaller things over there that aren't as bad.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, and I don't know, like if we look in our own backyard at the litany of problems we have, I do feel like most of them there's nothing I can do to make them better. I could I'm probably wrong. I'm usually wrong about most things that I say generally, but um, like poverty here. Like, um, what am I gonna like?
SPEAKER_01:I don't I don't know, what am I gonna do? You can I mean there's things you can do. Like, I mean, and then maybe it's like if it helps a couple people, like uh, for example, like at my our kids when our kids were in elementary school, we talked to the principal and we're like, hey, like I I don't want to just give a like I don't want to donate to the school like a hundred bucks. That's nothing. I said, tell me, or you don't need to give me names, but I want to spend some money uh to help some kids in this, like that in this school that are gonna affect these kids in this school. They don't I don't anonymous don't care if they know who I am or anything. I don't want to know who they are. I just want to know, like so winter's coming. Does anyone need jackets or shoes or boots or whatever? Give us a give us a list of things that you want that are needed by some kids in our community. Give me the sizes, we'll go grab some stuff, bring them back in bags, you can give them to them. That's that's all I want. Like so, and we just had a number in our head that we wanted to donate um to the school, and he came with a list of this is what this is what there's some kids at our school that are missing. Here it is. We went to Walmart, spent a couple hundred bucks, not a big deal, and uh for the couple hundred bucks, uh, got a ton of stuff, brought it into the school, he gave it to them. Like something simple like that. And I'm not saying this to try to pat my back, I'm just saying something as simple as a couple hundred dollars, which I will not miss, that is going to that potentially help them for that school year with parents and families who could not afford that, right? Simple, simple things like that. I think if more people did that kind of stuff, you'd see less. And I again we and I went we did that for two years and then we stopped doing it. Don't know have a reason why, we just didn't happen again. I it should have been something it should be something that you know people get in the habit of doing um consistently, right? Just minor little things. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:But my point to all that is I think why can't we be just more focused on our own community? Exactly. Right? And acknowledge there's good or bad going around, but instead of all this, like and we're all guilty of it, not even just the people in this room, everybody you know, worrying about the health of this person, the health of that person, that's not good. What can we do to make where we live better? What can I do to make the nursing home better? What can I do to make our little group of people that train better? And we start doing that, and it it just seems to me like it'd be such a more wise use of all our energy. It would be.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's not an it's not an often thought. Like when it's localized, what can I do to like make like this room better? Like the people, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Like, and then you see the amount of people that are like literally losing their minds over politics, yeah. On on all sides of it, right? Like, I'm not even gonna get into that, but like people on the left or right that are literally losing their minds over people they've never met, yeah, that they will never meet, and it's just and you're just like, man, just worry about your own shit. Yeah, like make your you know, be the best example you can for your kids, and that's gonna be like that means I'm gonna be a good positive example to you guys, and you're gonna bounce something back. Dude, we'll get so much further ahead, right? And I just I'll never understand why people like focus all their energy on yeah, we get sucked in.
SPEAKER_01:We get sucked in. But I like what you said, like it's like again, like everything, you train your mind to think that way. We like work at today in my in my sphere, what can I how can I be positive, how can I make a difference? Uh, you start seeing it more often. It's like you, it's like again, the recency bias. If I start thinking consistently about how do I make this interaction better, how do I make this interaction better? What can I do here? You'll start thinking like it'll just become a habit. And so I think because of that, you'll see it and you'll do it more, right? Yeah, that's what we should do.
SPEAKER_04:100%.
SPEAKER_02:That'd be the next 30-day challenge. Every day.
SPEAKER_04:If you don't make if you don't make something better every day, you've got to put 50 bucks in. No, it's not really what's what about what's better. 30 look at one person differently.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, changing perspective, changing your perspective. And I think if you if you do that, it's just a soul positive in every area of your life, right? Yeah, 100%. Like you know, I can think of so many times in my life where like I grew up thinking one thing and then changed perspective on and be like, hmm, I don't know, maybe that's like a complete bullshit, right? Or you're like, oh, you know, you learn again, not to go down conspiracy theories, but you take 91911 for example, right? That like changed an entire generation of people's lives. Maybe that wasn't exactly true. And that's okay to question some, but no, but but it's okay to question some of it, right? And we need to learn to do some of that and go not like it's it's horrible what happened, yeah. But like maybe why do we have a conflict with some of these people, anyways? Just because our religion is different, who's to say you know what's what's right? Who's to say, well, those people are like the guys that grow up in the mountains in the those third, well, you know, Middle Eastern countries that they're calling terrorists? Well, dude, they're just living in their country. Are are we maybe not the terrorists? Yeah, like and you don't have to accept it, but just when I think I find when you can just look at different things from as many perspectives as you can, it just makes you feel so much better about yourself, even if you don't like stick with that, but like just a question without negativity, right? And I often wonder why we can't we because like when I started reading all that stuff, I'm like, oh geez, man, I don't know that I believe anything a government's telling me ever again. Yeah, and maybe I have a whole bunch of beliefs about people that are based on this dude wanted that, right? Or I have a whole bunch of beliefs based on something like that. And I find we're getting more resistant to like opening our minds to that it doesn't have to be about politics, is any other side of what something says, right? Yeah. And I think it's it's really unhealthy. But yes, I have good friends like you guys and other people at the nursing home that don't. And I think that's the challenge to find is you have to find people that will will question a little things in a positive way.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and don't surround yourself uh with people that will just reinforce everything you say, because that's also not healthy. I'm reading a book right now called Thinking and Bets. Uh there's a lot of excerpt excerpt from this book where it talks about how like in the states it's not this way so much anymore. But historically, Supreme Court judges used to actually seek out clerks that had opposing political views in them. So like if you were a conservative conservative Supreme Court judge, you would seek out liberal clerks to clerk for you as a judge so that you could get like dissenting views from your clerks every time. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's right, like there's value in doing stuff like that, and that's the same group of people, right?
SPEAKER_02:Like I think we do that at the nursing home pretty well where we bat around an idea and we automatically throw out opposing points of view to that idea and try to pick it apart a little bit. Like and there's there's certain groups, let's say, or units, whatever you want to call them, people who do that a lot, and it actually is really beneficial.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you just to beat the idea up a little bit and beat the point of view up a little bit, and it helps out a lot.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there's no there's no value in just like having your perspective reinforced by everybody else who's saying the same thing that your perspective is correct, like to what you say, like yeah, you need to look at some things from multiple viewpoints to have any type of uh uh uh objectivity about it, and then like you're talking on the wrong side of the mic, sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Trying to find some positivity in it. Thank you. Sorry.
SPEAKER_03:But I mean it's also okay to be like, I don't agree with like you're a dick, but I still like you. Right? No, like that is okay. Like it is like I I know if we went down a political rabbit hole. I'm pretty sure there'd be three people that disagree with a lot of shit I'd have to say. Right? Like, let's be realistic. We'd be here until two night. I still like you. But that's what but that should be that's okay to have. It is, right? And when did that become wrong? Yeah, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. I don't give you whatever you if you believe what you believe, John, and you and you're not being a dickhead to me and you're not breaking the law, have at it, have at it, man. I don't I don't care. If you want to support this, like again, if you're not breaking laws and you're not personally affecting me, I don't have to agree with you, but I don't have to dislike you. Right. And it just seems we became this like, no, you're um you're a left wing, you're a right wing, no, you can't like each other. Fuck off like this makes no sense, right?
SPEAKER_04:100%.
SPEAKER_03:Right? Why why we do that? Because what does it matter?
SPEAKER_04:Like, yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_03:What anybody in this room believes, what I believe doesn't affect your guys' lives.
SPEAKER_01:No, but but it's also good because maybe you bring something up that I'm like, ah, no, but I'm saying, but like, why do you get like so bent out of shape?
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. You should oh, you know, like you know, there's been people that have openly mocked me at work or work for being orange, right? But like, but what does it matter to you? Like, I'm still really nice to you. Yeah, right? I've never been a dickhead to you. Yeah, I don't like conservatives, but I like you. So why why do we have to like have this opposing for sure? Why did we do that? Right, we're just getting played.
SPEAKER_01:But this is like full circle, because then we come back to if that if you somebody can't have that conversation with you in a respectful manner and they get in defense of, it's like, okay, well then do they not actually fully know what they believe about this thing, or are they they just they're like, I'm only a blue no matter who kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, versus the but why don't we see that we're getting played?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, completely, right?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, we are swear. Right, but why but why do we continue to play into it?
SPEAKER_01:Well, most I don't think most people, but I don't think most people are like us what they know like well, what they think like I don't trust the government anything, but like I don't think most people are like that. I think a lot most people do think that the news is true and what they're saying is the is real. So I don't so those people have a hard time with that because they don't think they're getting played. They think it's uh it's still the old national at 10 o'clock is telling you the truth. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:My parents still listen to the 6 p.m. news every day and they think it's gospel.
SPEAKER_03:No, but it's not the news. I'm like, I it's it's how do how do we not realize there's a group of people up here that we will never be? And it doesn't matter. They don't have to be Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, liberal. They're just elite. They're who we will never be. They're pulling all the strings, and as long as we are always bitching at each other, they will always do what we want. Why do we that's not hard, like it's so obvious to to see if you just listen to people go that it doesn't matter the political spectrum, whoever's in charge, their buddies are getting all the favors. And we and we all know that, yeah. But we'll all rather bitch at each other about our own personal beliefs and go, no, this whole system is fucked. This whole system is screwing all of us over, but we're gonna argue about who has more or less at the mid, like we're just all mid.
SPEAKER_04:Well, we're just all peasants outside the castle walls, right? That's what it is, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, right. But but so so why don't we instead of like still propping either side up, go no as peasants, fuck this.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we own the farms, motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I agree, but I agree with you, but like what's what's the option? Like, I and if we're talking about like you know what I mean? Like, I'm I'm with you. I just because I think we're I think most people are centrists. I don't think we are left and right. Most people have differing views, maybe slightly on one side or the other, but in general, I think most people should be somewhere in the middle.
SPEAKER_03:But well, if I knew the option, I'd be ahead of a political. There you go. Well, that's that's not sitting not sitting in this room. I just mean like I just wish people would just take a stop, realize it doesn't matter if you're left or right, you're always just gonna be the man that that is the government is leeching off you, or however you want to play it, right? There is no like all the rich elite of the world, they're not our friends, they're not trying to help us. And in until we try to work together, this the whatever chance we have of a system, and I don't mean you have to go shoot shit up, right? But to be clear, just to be clear just until we start like seeing each other as like we can be opposing, but we're still like they want us to be mad at each other so we don't deal with them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And this this is why I've said we need an alien invasion. It's kind of galvanize everybody against a central cause.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. But is this interesting? We all know if we all sat in different rooms, I don't think you would find very many people that believe our system is actually out for the common man. But we'll all just play their games and be mad at each other instead of going we need to fix the system. And then it just keeps, you know, people are offended, people are mad, and it just keeps keeps us with our heads like down, the and nothing ever truly gets fixed.
SPEAKER_04:Nor do I think it will be in our lifetime. Except for aliens.
SPEAKER_03:But we can try.
SPEAKER_04:We can.
SPEAKER_03:We can. That's all I'm saying. I think here's my message to you tonight, Kurt. Let's try. Just try to be more fun. Just positive.
SPEAKER_04:Just try. I'm trying. I'm trying, Joel. I am trying to be more positive.
SPEAKER_01:So uh be positive. Uh pick a physical modality, whatever you like, and do it. Be consistent. Um tune in next time to figure out how we're gonna fix the system for part two. For part two.
SPEAKER_03:No, let's be very clear. We're not fixing the system. It ain't how that's that's the whole point of being. No, but here's the thing. We have to, and this is what makes it all super hard.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I don't do I don't want to go to war. I want to go to bed by 10 o'clock. Like I'm fucking die. You're late.
SPEAKER_03:You gotta get up too early.
SPEAKER_04:I don't have time to go to war because I'm fucking sleepy.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I just wanted to make it clear. Let's not go to war.
SPEAKER_01:No one's going to war. Um, Joel. That was awesome. Okay. This is good. This is a lot, this is a longer one, but I liked it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that was fine.
SPEAKER_01:You got nothing to say, you're just smiling. I don't say anything at the end. You know that.
SPEAKER_04:I just sit here. At the end, I just hit.
SPEAKER_01:Thanks for coming, Joel. We're gonna part two. Stay tuned for part two.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe part four, actually.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, there's a lot of parts. Okay. There's a lot of nonsense upstairs. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye bye.
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