# 78 - We Don't Know with Tony

Let us be clear. We don't know but often we say we do. 

Thanks for listening! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

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SPEAKER_00 0:30

Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What you do right now makes a difference.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

I did nothing. I turned your mic up a tiny bit. Well, it feels loud.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

Sounds okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

Okay, why is it so loud in my ears? I didn't touch your ears. Can you turn my ears down just a hair? Just a bit. Yeah, that's pretty good. Did you do anything? I touched your ears. Okay. That's better. Feels like where it should be. Sounds good. Alright, let's fucking go.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Is this in a good spot? Like um Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

It forces you to look at me.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

That's that's what like I that looks like me uncomfortable as I keep having to look at you.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Or you could like slide that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

You can also like when you talk, like when I talk. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

But you could take your chair and go that way, and then you could split the difference between the two of us.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

No, move the You see how like I can do this and I can still talk to you, but I just turn my head like this, and I turn my head on the back. Let me demonstrate to you what I think you can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

You could do this, and suddenly you could see both of us. But note how my mic moved with my body.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

You spent a lot of money on these mics.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

We did. We spent like$75 on these mics.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

I thought you were gonna say like$700.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

No, we uh have not made an investment. Hey, you know what's interesting? Uh the other day, somebody that we work with uh came up and said they listened to a podcast. I'm like, oh thanks. Like they said, actually, it was recommended to me on Spotify. And I was like, really? What? Yeah, which is shocking to me that getting some traction we're not, but for some reason it got recommended.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Was it a non-listener?

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Uh I don't think he listened before. Or maybe he hadn't in a while. I don't know. Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Uh shout out to the dude who uh cleaned my uh dryer vent yesterday. Okay. He might be listening. Shout out to him.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Did you tell him you had a he had a pod?

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Well, he probably came in here and saw the setup. He saw the sweet setup.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

That's what he said. He said sick setup, bro.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Did he say like not? I was like, that's the kind of duck cleaner I want.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Duck, did you call it a duck cleaner?

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Duct. Ducked.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

I mean, you could have a duck cleaner. Well, if I had ducks, you might need an appointed duck cleaner. Um you know what really frustrates me?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

I would love to know. You know what I was doing when I was driving over here? I was thinking.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

What really frustrates you guys?

SPEAKER_01 3:12

What really frustrates that guy?

SPEAKER_03 3:13

And I know this will frustrate you too, Tony. If I post an item on Facebook Marketplace for ten dollars. And sorry. No, no, go ahead, JB. Why clearly you have to do that? Why yeah, but it's why bother? Well, that's that's what else, what am I gonna do? I have to get rid of them. Garbage. Which means I have to take them somewhere. So I would rather somebody pay me to come get them. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

I'm I'm I want to hear this out because I'm I'm seeing both sides and I'm like, okay, okay. Okay, ten bucks, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

So I post these two chairs for ten dollars on Facebook Marketplace. Ninety percent of the responses are is this available?

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

And then I respond with yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

And then nothing, and then nothing. Yeah, I've had that before too.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Um I think I've done this mistakenly. Um you hit the button, you hit the button by mistake, and someone like this someone specifically said in their ad will not respond to is this available? And I hit the button. And then before then I was like, oh shit, before I could respond, like, oops, sorry, hit the button, they were just like, ha ha ha, not funny. I was like, it wasn't asking, bro.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

You responded.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

To be fair, you put that in your ads. I did, yes. However, uh, the other 10% have been people saying, Will you deliver these? To which I'm responding, no, I'm not delivering ten dollar chairs.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

But would you rather deliver than have some people you don't know come to your house? What are they gonna do? But you know what?

SPEAKER_02 4:42

I'm on I'm in your camp. Every single thing I've posted, I'm like, I meet at a public location. I don't want nobody coming to my house.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

I've thought about that. You know how like I I don't know if it's a cultural thing, but a lot of people for these low ticket, these small ticket items, will respond by saying, Are these available? Send me your address. Have you ever got that?

SPEAKER_02 5:05

No.

SPEAKER_03 5:05

And one of them, because they were engaging in some conversation, I sent them my address and then they stopped answering. I was a little bit worried. Yeah, you should be. But also, my house is on Google Maps.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

What does me giving them that my address Yeah, but they don't tie your Google Maps to the Facebook person?

SPEAKER_03 5:25

With a picture of a golf cart?

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Now they know where you live.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

Okay, so they know my not-ish, not really my real name, kind of. Maybe I'll change my Facebook name. But they know now that I have a house. Yep. What are they gonna do with that every time?

SPEAKER_01 5:39

I don't know, but the point is, uh, why bother? Yeah. I I like it's not like you don't drive into the city every single day that you couldn't say, hey, meet at this location and drop them off. But then I have to put them in my truck. Yes. Versus somebody else paying me to put them in their truck. They're very light.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

I might just burn them.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Exactly my point. And and especially because you're saying 10 for both.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah, that's not worth your time.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

You're right, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

And at some point you're gonna have enough of that garbage that's not worth your time to take it all out to the dump.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

You know what? This is uh a social experiment. No, maybe not a social experiment. It's an experiment of some kind. Because I've seen this before. When you put them for$10 and you get these, like, are people offering you less?

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Not this, but other people with other things. I I I can't remember. I posted out something for$10, and somebody's like, hey, would you take five? And I was like, fuck, I don't care. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

But yeah, I think I would be curious to see what happens if you posted those for like$200.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

I'm going to. I'm gonna take it down right now.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Post them for$200 and then like see if somebody like because then the perception of like instead of these being these five dollar chairs. Yeah, well, not totally. The perception is like, oh, I should drive out there and grab these. Like this is a good deal. Like, this is a good deal. These might be nice chairs. These might be really nice chairs.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Yeah, I'm gonna take it down. I'm gonna post them for two. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Do you have cushions for those chairs? Because right now they look really crappy.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

What do you mean? Do I have cushions for them?

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Oh, never mind. From my angle, it looked like it was like a mat, uh, a flat um like nylon on the top. It's the leather chairs, guys. They're worth$200. I have sat in those chairs. I forgot. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Yeah, put them for$200 and then like let somebody get you down to like$150, and then say, but you gotta you gotta come get them. They'd be like, man, this is you know, that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

But the problem is, can you not see the history of things when they're posted, taken down, and reposted? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

But somebody that has seen that ad that will now see them for$200. I love that. That's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

So you don't people don't come to your house to buy your stuff? Never. I never, and primarily because I typically would put vehicles on, and I don't want like somebody coming back to me being like, oh, like I I'm very honest and transparent. But they're coming back to me like three months later and be like, oh, like so this is wrong with this, and I'd be like, Okay, cool. Like it wasn't when I sold it to you. I don't know. I just want that like they can text me, but I don't want anybody coming back with a higher priced item. I think that maybe like with$200 chairs, you know, I'd be afraid of somebody coming back being upset. Hey, these are worth$10. But you know, if it was something a smaller item, I suppose I'd probably throwing it through your front window.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

Yeah, I can see that. Do you also hide your license plate when you post your vehicles for sale? I do. What why?

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Well, I don't I don't sorry, I don't hide it because I think that's silly. I just angle my pictures so that my license plate isn't visible.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

So what they see a string of digits that means nothing? True. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

I don't I don't I don't put a paper towel.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

I love the guy's just like what if they have some corrupt cop friend that can run it for them?

SPEAKER_03 8:46

They're gonna if they buy it, they're gonna know your name anyway.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

I wanted to get y'all.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

And your address. You put your address on the bill of sale. I do not. What? Yeah. What do you put on there? It's my name. Do you put your driver's license number? No. Fuck, I've given way too much personal info out.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

I I'm along the lines, like, what are yeah, what are they gonna do? But I just just to be safe, I just put my name. That's it. But I mean, sure, they they could probably find out where I live or where I work, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Well, apparently not. Like a lot of people know where I live now. Yeah, because you keep just throwing it out there on Facebook Marketplace. Again, though, like it's a house. What are they gonna do? Like, they're gonna come to my house again?

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Again, with a with a small, like with a with with$200 chairs, maybe not, but if like if you have if someone feels like they have been like taken advantage of or burned or scorned in some way, they might want some kind of retribution, which if they had no way of tracking you down other than your phone number, okay. I'll block your phone number if you send me some mean messages. But if you want to like feel like you I've wronged you and you're gonna come get yours and like you know, throw a rock through my my window or something.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

I don't know. Uh speaking of blocked phone numbers, changing gears, that documentary you watched with that what's that called again? Um Unknown Unknown Number. Okay. My wife ended up watching it. And so I did you watch it? I didn't. I just kind of caught pieces of it, and I already knew it's gonna happen because you told me. That is so messed up. So basically, there's this. Have you seen it? There's a documentary about this girl, like teenager, probably what, 15, 16? Uh, starts getting these crazy amount of text messages uh from some unknown number about like her and how she was ugly and her boyfriend uh did she didn't deserve her boyfriend. And this went on for a long time, like thousands and thousands of messages. Finally, they like call the cops and say, Hey, we need this dealt with. Uh, and this was like a year it went on for like a year. Over a year.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

They started with the school and then like the school board and then the police and then the FBI.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Because they're like kill yourself, like just started getting kind of crazy. Uh, I guess who it was in the end.

unknown 11:05

Who?

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Her mother.

unknown 11:09

What?

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Wild.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Why? Uh, because she's a psycho.

SPEAKER_03 11:15

But did she participate in calling the police?

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Oh, and she was saying, yes, yes. And she did like interviews and like with the police, and she um she was saying some crazy things about like sexual things about her boyfriend, and it it was insane. I caught pieces of it, but he told me all the the story.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Did mom bang the boyfriend? No. I think she wanted to, though. Yeah, I think she wanted to. Man, how traumatic would that be? How old was this kid?

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Like 16. It would be like, and like she was saying, like, you're ugly, you're worth nothing, kill yourself. Like what the fuck, Mom?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

It was they interviewed her at the end.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

And like she was like totally like, yeah, you know, it was probably I probably shouldn't have done it for mistake. She's like, Well, like, you know, you said some pretty like horrendous things. She's like, Yeah, but I only said it because I knew, like, I knew she wouldn't do it. Like, if I thought she was gonna kill herself, I wouldn't have said that.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

What the fuck? It was so crazy. Well, thank you. Now I don't have to watch it. Yeah, that's how I felt when you told me to. So I didn't watch it when my wife did, but insane. I've been watching a lot of true crime documentaries lately.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

Have you? Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

It just it's have you watched that crazy it's not a documentary, that new one on Netflix. Edge. Yeah. I just started that one. It is the first of the episode. First, how many? First, sorry, through the first episode. Oh, okay. I think I think I've watched verse two. It is it is so messed up. It's based off of a true story. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

Yeah, there's some artistic liberty definitely taken within it. I watched four, I think. I don't think it's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

But they have like but they have like the art like he took human skin and made them into like things like a chair and a lamp, and they actually have those still. Like he did that stuff. What do you mean they have those still? Like, it's probably in that museum that Jason went to, that haunted museum. Like they have those, like they're actually in a museum somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Why would why? Why would you want to see that? I hope I'm not lying. I feel like you're lying.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Well, okay, I would say that sounds a little far-fetched. I saw a picture, but it made it seem like it was like in a somewhere like being kept. Weird.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

You saw something and then made a bunch of leaps and inferences about it. Uh-huh. That's not how it works. Uh I can't wait to talk about this, but we'll save it for a minute. No, no, we're not, we're not talking about it. We're not. Can I can I tell you something else that I've noticed? Okay. It's not just you, but I but you're a a prime offender. Please tell me. You people.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

I'll wait for you to get off your phone because I'm trying to find sorry, I'm trying to find this is I think I made it up. I I definitely saw the picture, but then I can made the inference that it was somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Uh sorry, hang on. Well, he's doing that. Can we just go back and circle back to Facebook?

SPEAKER_03 14:05

We can. Because he just he changed the subject.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

He did. We weren't even done. What are your thoughts? Because this drives me bananas, and I don't know why people do it, but I see it often, so maybe I'm missing something. The old feeler post.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Hey, just and and then they'll title it like that. This is a feeler post, seeing if anybody would be interested in and so so it's just like I I'm curious as to what is that the true intention and A and B or A, if that's their intention, are they are people responding? Yeah, I'm interested. Or like like it's already have you ever responded to a feeler post?

SPEAKER_03 14:40

No, and it's always with cars. Yes, that's the only thing. Yeah, just putting feelers out there. Yeah. I I'm a big fan of the I'm not in a rush to sell. I know what I have. Yeah, I know what I got. I know what it's like.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

That's what you should put in this post about the chairs. I'm not in a rush to sell. I know what I got.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

I know what they're worth.

SPEAKER_03 14:58

Maybe I'll make an elaborate, I don't want to lie, but like an elaborate backstory. Can I make an official apology?

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Uh you certainly. Okay, I'd like to apologize. Uh I was incorrect completely about the furniture. Uh they were seized as evidence and then destroyed.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

It makes a ton more sense. Uh I saw a picture and I made some. What was the picture you saw? Of the chair. Of like the of the chair that he made. It was like but like an old picture then. Yeah, it must have been when they when they seized it.

SPEAKER_03 15:29

There's gotta be a better way to sell stuff. Like Facebook Marketplace is good. It's better than Kijiji. Kijiji's dead.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

It's coming back. No, Kijiji's like you, but there's so much fraud and like people who are always trying to like screw you out of of something on Kijiji. But the same as Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

I think I'd say it's I think it's more. Maybe if Kijiji did die, but it's it's like it's kind of coming back. What about eBay? What happened to eBay?

SPEAKER_03 15:51

I use eBay. Do you? Yeah, for car parts and stuff. And I've had really good success with eBay. I've also sold car parts on eBay with good success. Like obscure car parts.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Like I don't know anybody using eBay anymore.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Yeah. Yeah, that was.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

eBay. Man, eBay was probably a really good spot to buy cars in like 2010.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Definitely.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

I I remember looking at a uh 2004 um Mustang uh what am I looking? What is the word? Roche. No, well yeah, but no, um Cobra. No, Cobra. Uh I remember looking at$24,000 American in 2010. Wow. And I was like, and that's when our dollar was super strong, right? And I was like, oh, I should buy this. I wouldn't have it now today, anyways, but I should have bought it.

SPEAKER_04 16:38

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 16:38

Uh but eBay motors back in the day, I don't know if it still is. Everything's so ridiculously priced these days.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

eBay was was littered with fraud as well. It got there. Whenever there's something good, somebody will find a way to ruin to ruin it.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

Yeah. But there's got to be a better way than is this available? Yeah, it's available because it's fucking posted. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Or or but isn't that like that's a button. It's like you said, it's literally a button. That's why they make it such a stupid thing, versus like why I have that button. If you're interested in it, send a message.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Yeah. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

It's kind of like Kiji has those now as well. Like the pre-filled.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

I've never I have a truck for sale right now and I keep getting these. Hey, is this available?

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Where do you have it listed? Kijiji and Facebook. Oh, you still put it on Kijiji?

SPEAKER_03 17:24

Well, yeah, because I still like I've still had success. I sold my tractor on Kiji. You're uh the orange tractor? Mm-hmm. What why? Because I'm really trying to get rid of shit I don't use. It's like my sole mission this year is to get rid of shit I don't use. Yeah, um, I'm on board at that. I want less things. Yeah. There's too many things. And we keep acquiring, especially with a kid now, we used to keep acquiring things. Do you need a stroller? Yeah. Do you?

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Yeah. Okay. I was uh I'm also looking at getting rid of things. I've got a really nice uh Thule stroller. Like a double A Thule?

SPEAKER_03 18:00

You have a Thule?

SPEAKER_02 18:02

I've got a Thule. I've got a really nice Thule um stroller.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Does it mount on my roof? Uh no, it does not. It does not.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Did you put the knock on it? Air mouth. It looks like it could, though. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

I'd be uh I'd be down to party with a thhule. Okay. How many kids does it fit? Two.

unknown 18:24

Yeah. Yeah, now we're talking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Got a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

Yeah, just trying to get rid of things that I hate. Like I I find that the number of physical things clutter your mind, is what I'm finding. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I feel like you have a less cluttered mind if you have a less cluttered pile of shit. It's like cleaning out a junk drawer.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

But the thing is, when you have space, you fill it. Why is that though? I don't I don't know. Like if you have a bigger garage, likely you end up with more crap inside of it. It's just how it is.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Yeah, and I think I mean I'm sure you're finding that like with having an acreage, those things also tend to be larger. Although you're less of a th large thing collector.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Yeah. I but I'm on the same page. Like recent purchases, I'm like, what why? Why did I get that? So I'm thinking about getting rid of things already. I don't know. Like what? The caddy.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Oh, that's not recent. Last year. You talked about that already. You're gonna get rid of that thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

I don't know if I'm like, I don't know if I'm thinking about it. I'm definitely not out of it. He's still in it. Come on. Relax.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

You should get like a newer um like CTSB.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

See, that would make more sense just with like the the two seater thing, is kind of the thing where I'm like, it's fun, I it's fun, but but I use it, I don't know, six times this summer. And and living on a gravel road doesn't help for sure, because every time I drive it, I feel like I need to wash it again, and then I don't want to drive it the next day because I need to it It's all dusty and it looks stupid, so I want to wash it and that gets old. Yeah, I could that would drive me bananas. It would drive you crazy.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

But you're you're gonna get rid of it just in time for you to be like, ah, we should really get a two-seater, you know. We don't have the kids that we don't drive the kids anymore.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

No, you know, for sure. I could see in how many years five more years that I'd be like, okay, now it's time for it. But then is it at that point should I just keep this thing for five years in the garage? Like really? Probably. Yeah. I probably should.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Or sell it and buy something that checks your boxes now. Or sell it and don't buy anything. True.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

But the thing with that car is it's old enough now, like it's not gonna lose any more value. If anything, it'll probably gain value. But yeah, but what do you do with it? I'm just saying if I keep it now or sell it now or sell it in five years, I'm not gonna lose any money on it. I'm gonna probably get my gain money on it. So and I have the space to keep it in a shop, so it's not like I'm do you keep it in your shop or in your garage? Uh for the for the winter, I would I'm gonna put it in the shop. I use in the garage right now, but is your shop heated? It's it yeah, it can be. I don't I don't keep it heated on. It's got two like little heaters on the side that I turn on, but I don't heat it.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

I just wish I had a shop.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Me too. You have a gigantic garage. Do you park in your garage? Yeah. Uh you have two vehicles in your driveway right now.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Well, because I have an inoperable garage door. All right. Uh, and I have my truck is in my garage, and I need to clean, and this is the problem is I need to clean out some more shit to fit my third vehicle in my three-car garage. Yeah. It grinds my gears when people don't park in their garage. Yeah, but like in the winter, in the summer. In the winter, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

But I just wish I had a garage like yours that was like three and then an extra spot for my extra shit. Yeah, but you don't want that. You're trying to get rid of it.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

What about that? What about that half, not even half? That taking apart vehicle that you have, it's gone. Oh, you got rid of it? Yep. Nice. eBay?

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Uh nope. No. Uh give that one to a wrecker.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Just lost the lost the will to do that.

SPEAKER_03 22:11

I'm just having a more realistic assessment of what's gonna my life is gonna look like in the next 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yes, your time availability will be less.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Yeah, and it's all it's all fine and dandy to have this, like, oh, you know, I'm gonna get to this, I wanna do this thing. But it's also adds a little bit of stress in the background noise of like, because the real you knows you're never gonna get to it. Yeah. The real, the real me knows. Yeah, the honest you in the background's like, nah, you ain't never gonna touch that shit. And maybe I'll just have it like one day I'll just be independently wealthy and just buy one.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Sure. Or in 18 years when your children are out of the house. Yeah, when I'm 55. Yeah, then you can uh go buy another one and start doing it then. Yeah, maybe. But then I'll just do that in 18 years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

You know what I would like? I would I would love to know. Like a 2006 Z06. Yeah. That would check a lot of my boxes. Do you even know what that is? A Corvette. Okay. You're not a car guy though. I'm not a moron.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

What? That was just hilarious. Because I was thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Do you know what that is? I'm not a complete idiot. I do not know vehicles very well, but yeah, but like most men grow up being like, I like cars. Yeah, because you just cause you like cars. Like I like cars. I don't know. No, you don't. I do. Like, I like how what do you mean, no, I don't.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

If you like something, you like like know some things about it.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Yeah, I knew a Z06 was a Corvette, so there's that. Like, I don't know what your issue is.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

Um, when I bought my first SDI in California, the guy that I uh bought it from, we went to Fresno, and he had a warehouse full of Ford GTs and STIs. That's what I wanted. Well, it was super smart at the time. Uh the I I don't think like the search engine optimization these days would work the same, but he had a website, SDIforSale.com and FordGTforSale.com. And that's all he sold was SDIs and Ford GTs. Crazy. Right? And then because like and he would just buy and sell them and people looking for them, that'd be the first thing that came up. And it was literally a warehouse just full. Jeez, how much money did that guy have?

unknown 24:33

A lot.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

That is weird. That's weird that those are the two that he chose. Yeah, just the things he liked, I guess, right? Um, I'd love to know where he's at today. Should you should find him. Shoot him. Hey man, remember that car I bought him? You still got the the old warehouse? Maybe it's full of uh full of different types of vehicles now. Well, obviously, I mean you've you got money like that back then.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

It's amazing, like you said, though, like how things have changed on the internet. Like like even just thinking about eBay, like those things are were the biggest thing at the time, and now it's like maybe I don't know, maybe eBay still is used.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

But yeah, I don't know. eBay is weird in that like if you need a new antenna for your router, it'd be a great spot to go.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

I wouldn't, I would until you mentioned eBay tonight, I would have forgot it existed.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

Yeah, I think the thing with eBay, um, or no, at least I haven't used it like this. Like I spend a lot of my free time on Facebook Marketplace looking at shit I don't need. Really? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Oh, that's that's how I hours of my screen.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Seriously? I never go to that. I would say I do that. Like I'm I suspect like a lot of people do the like the I mean we all do it, but like the YouTube or the Instagram or whatever, like a good bulk of that time for me is marketplace.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

Yeah, me too. What do you set your like how do you set your viewing parameters? Like as far as location? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

That depends on the mood.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

But do you this is what I find very interesting with this is the algorithm, like how quick it changes, right? So I'll be scrolling through, looking for vehicles, and then I'll accidentally click on like dish cloths, and then all of a sudden my next 13 posts are all dish cloths. I'm like, no, I'm that was a mistake. Like I and and then I have to like try and look for cars specifically or specific models of cars to get that back into my my feed. Yeah, it's weird.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

I wish there was a better way to I and not that because I'm not gonna buy any of these fucking cars anyways, but I'm still just looking at them.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Uh eBay still receives around 700 million plus visits per month globally. Uh and uh revenue for 2024 was still over 10.2 billion dollars. It is still one of the largest uh websites in commerce. Uh that's insane. Yeah, it says it hasn't like the growth is like pretty flat, but it's been like that for how many years? It's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

I have um uh it was a part from my old Power Stroke, a brand new um, it's like a heater, part for the heater, I can't remember what it is, anyways. But I put it on the table, I took a picture of it, and eBay's like, this is the part, this is the part number, this is the manufacturer, and then it just autofills your post.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

No way. Yeah. That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

That's an AI integration. Yeah, it's super, super slick. And then it like calculates your shipping for you and all that stuff. Like I sold uh I sold the old stock airbox off the 2007 STI to some dude in Vancouver in eBay. Interesting. Yeah. So if you got like old car parts sitting around you want to get rid of? Got lots of miscellaneous little things. Yeah, and they're just taking up space. Might as well try and get rid of them. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Is that eBay motors or just eBay?

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Uh I think it's just eBay. It's just the eBay app on your phone. Found something new to consume my time. It's buying and selling shit. You so you don't do any of that?

SPEAKER_01 27:56

No. Uh no, not in zero. I don't look at marketplace ever. Uh other than if I'm looking for something specific, uh which I can't even think of. No, last time I was on e Marketplace was when I sold my coal plunge, and that was about it. And you sell it through marketplace. Marketplace, yeah. I think part of the problem is is that sorry, I'm gonna interrupt you. So why so if you're you're just talking about how you want less things, yeah, why bother spending time looking at things?

SPEAKER_03 28:22

I was actually just about to say that. Okay. Part of the problem is that it's like the chase of getting things.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Love it. So, okay, uh, Tony likes to buy he he, I mean, you make money off of vehicles that you usually buy, like, right? I usually buy them at a decent price and end up making some money down the road, uh selling them a year or two later. I can understand that, because it's I mean, you get some enjoyment out of driving the thing, but also you can make some money on it. But uh, is that what you're trying to do?

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Is you're trying to like No, because I'm terrible at that. You have a gift, and I I just I generally just lose money when I do when I do these things.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Yeah, but I I but I uh I also enjoy like the chase of like trying to find the deal. Like it that's part of the fun and excitement.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

It's like but I also suspect you and I look at it through a different lens where you're like trying to see the value in it, whereas I look at it and I I see like like the the image or the enjoyment or whatever you want to call it, being like, Yeah, that looked fucking cool in my garage. Which is probably why I lose money. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

I I would say I have that that as well. I think the only stuff that I I think about buying that I like to I like I like technology and like that kind of crap. Like I would buy a new computer, something like that, like something that like I but I'm not interested in buying. I don't know. I don't know what.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Like I like So here's a question for you. So then with with that, say the technology, like when was the last time you went into like a Best Buy?

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Uh I go into Best Buy often.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Oh really? I do, yeah. See, because you can do you not look for like those types of things on marketplace or no, not at all. I guess that might be different with technology or with like electronics that you maybe.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Yeah, no, like I I if we're down south, uh near Best Buy, I usually go and I never get anything. It's I like to go look and oh look at that TV suite, and that's cool. And see, I haven't been in Best Buy in probably like 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

If I go to Best Buy, I'm going there with a purpose.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Yeah, like I need I need something very specific.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I I do that sometimes, but I've also go there quite often with no purpose in mind. I'm near it and I'm like, I'm gonna pop in. I don't know, I like to see all the new the new stuff, and like it's simple, like even stupid things like uh all the home, like technological home stuff you can get. Like with I heard you talking the other day about thermostats and like uh video camera crap and like the Amazon Google and like all the stuff you can get for your house. Ooh, I I could use that, that'd be fun, that'd be cool. And then I never buy anything, but I like looking at it.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

It's interesting that like that type of store. Remember, like that's the only one really they're just gonna be. Yeah, future shop and what are like other people. Divisions is still around, which I don't know how.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Uh I think I don't know. Like they still sell fridges and appliances and stuff. Do they?

SPEAKER_01 31:03

And that's the other thing Best Buy does now too. They sell a lot more than just that. Like they do have like a whole appliance section. Their website, they have more, but like in store now, they also have that kind of stuff. Something that I keep thinking about getting that I haven't bought is um the uh video camera for the car where it's like recording.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

I've actually thought about that too.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

And they're not they're not super expensive, and just like some of the some of the stuff that you've seen online about people trying to do insurance fraud by stopping really hard in front of you or something like that, where or like pretending they hit you or you hit them. Um I've seen a lot of videos like that, and then people had these cameras and it completely was like, good try.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

But yeah, I I would I would get down with putting a dash cam.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

If there was I'm assuming they have front and back ones, yeah, and even for with our our kids starting to drive next year, like that might be something to hey, you you're if you're driving, this is in the car. And I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, I have the opportunity to if I want to, but it's just the idea of like if you're doing anything stupid, you're not driving.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Uh I was on Facebook Marketplace today and I saw a pair of meta Ray-Ban glasses. Ooh, they're nice. And I was like, oh, these are kind of cool. I want these, but I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Uh the Oakley ones, they oakley came out with some too, and they're uh they're kind of a weird style.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

So they're not where you see in your eye? No. They're like they're just they just record.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

No, you we they so they can do translate, they can record, they can there's a couple other things they can do. Um the Ray-Ban ones were the first series.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Is it more for content creation?

SPEAKER_01 32:29

I don't know, it's meta. So it's like, yeah, you I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

I think it would be what why would be your intention? What would what would you do? Well, that's why I didn't buy them because I don't have an answer.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Well, that was like that was like the Apple Vision Pro when it came out. Like I was like, I I so badly He was obsessed. I was obsessed.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

I thought he was gonna buy it.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I was like, sweet. It was like three grand. It looked it looks cool, it looks so cool, but then and it's something it's something that is like up my where I was alley in terms of like I want that, it's because it looks cool. But then I started like thinking logically about it, and like and then I started thinking about a future where like it becomes standard, and it would be if you think you're disconnected from people now, now put these things on your face where you can you can make it so that I can see the outside world while I'm in it, but I have like all these augmented reality things around, or I can watch a video in this corner of the screen while I'm doing this podcast having a conversation. And am I listening to you? Do am I actually interacting, or am I doing this over here watching this thing?

SPEAKER_03 33:28

Yeah, and the Apple Vision Pro looks stupid. It doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Oh, you mean like wearing it? How would it look like wearing it? Oh, okay. Versus like meta glasses.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Yeah, like the glasses look like glasses, but make no mistake, that is coming. Oh, 100% in five years, most less. I suspect most people we know will have a pair of glasses that while we're talking and we're saying, Oh, is Ed Geen's stuff in a museum? The answer is gonna be like right there.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

In five years or yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Oh, for sure they will, dude.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Like 100%.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

I agree that it'll be available, but you you said what did you say? Most people will have we know.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Most people most people we know five years.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

I agree. Yep, I agree. I think they could do how many people do you know that have the metaglasses or the Apple? Zero.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

But I think none, but I think functionality, when you when you can increase the functionality, and it's like it looks like the regular Oakley glasses, uh, but you're getting these like this little heads-up display thing, like you're playing a video game with whatever, whatever you want, like whatever you want. You have the weather in the corner, you got uh text messages popping up, whatever the thing is. Like, I think that's not that far-fetched. I bet you they could do it now, it just maybe they can't uh produce it in a um good price point where people would buy it. But I think that that's gonna come pretty quick.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

Look at how quick cell phones were adopted. Look at how quick now smartwatches are oh, like a lot of people have smartwatches. Um and it'll be weird things like you'll be wearing your glasses if you're got your navigation on in your car and just show you on your uh your glasses, or like the thing I see happening, and there's some companies that are already have wearable gadgets for this purpose, is it will just record your entire day, input it into AI, and then provide you like actionable insights from what it records.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Like, well, okay, wait a minute. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

What is this company?

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Or like what is this thing? Like, what have you seen? Where have you seen this?

SPEAKER_03 35:25

I can't remember what the gadget's called, but it's like a lapel thing. I think OpenAI is working on one. Oh, I don't wear lapel mics anymore.

unknown 35:31

Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

We're not talking about it. We are we are gonna talk about I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

I do not care. Um, but it would be like, you know, I I think it would synthesize all the things you talk about in your day and then provide you a summary or a summary, or like you know, we forget most conversations we have in the day, so you can revisit that. But like, hey, what did we talk about in this meeting?

SPEAKER_01 35:56

You know, okay, so I can see uh specific use point for something like that, where you have a meeting, and instead of taking notes, maybe it like does a transcription and gives you the things that you don't have to sit there and take notes, it does like here's what you should remember about this meeting, here's the important facts, points. But like just the average person who like works a nine to five answering phones at some company or whatever the thing, like what use other than other than getting more neurotic about everything, what use is it to like microanalyze your day every single day?

SPEAKER_03 36:30

I I don't have a great answer to that. It depends what you're talking about during your day.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

If you like prompted it to like, I want to be more successful, and it would say something like, Oh, you had an interaction with your boss today. He he asked you a couple of questions, you responded, you could have responded this way. Yeah, you saw this cute girl in the bank, you you said that you know, you answered this question when she said this this way. If you responded this way, you had a better chance of should have saying her number. Like all those things, like if you're trying to like um improve or you're talking with your wife and it's like, hey, we're gonna we what do we need for groceries?

SPEAKER_03 37:01

And then you go to the store and it's like, hey, you your wife told you you need this, this, this, and this. Like it for sure, it's coming.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

I but again, I think it makes us stupider as people. Well, but that's happening anyways. I know, but like I'm a little resistant to that because I think you'll be the first one. I'm not, I won't be. You will be. You will be the first one. No, I won't be. Uh, because I don't know that it's useful for most people. Can you pass me a drink, please? You want an old way? Is it alcoholic? Yes. No. That changed quickly. I'm gonna go get a glass of water. Got that. Welcome back. Welcome back. Uh he got his Augwa. So you know what else I've noticed? I'd love to And you're a prime offender of this. Oh, okay. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Please point out my offenses so that we can fix them. You do you recall a few podcasts ago talking about probably not. Probably not. Talking about, I think it was Jason. Probably it's Jason, uh, being on his phone while talking to you.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

If you're referencing to what I just did. Nope. Okay. But do you recall that? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

So you guys with your smart watches, it is the exact same. I don't think that I I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

And I and I barely use my watch.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

No, because in the middle of conversations or meetings or interactions, this is the exact same as being on your phone.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

It's different because like you if it's something if it's a ding, it's a quick look and it's defensive. I'm not I'm not offend def defensive.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

What is the difference if it's a quick look and putting it down? What is the difference between that and your phone? Because we all know what you're looking at.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

So the thing that we got we were talking to Jason about wasn't a quick look at the phone. It was like it was him staring at his phone, typing away, and we're looking at each other at the office, being like, This is literally why is he here?

SPEAKER_02 38:50

I don't know. Maybe it's and maybe it's an us problem because this has literally happened to us like countless times in the last week where somebody will be having a conversation with us, and in mid-conversation, they'll just stop and just Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

And then we kind of looked at each other like what?

SPEAKER_02 39:05

Sorry, what?

SPEAKER_03 39:06

And no, I don't think anybody realizes they're doing it. They're certainly not doing it.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Well, the last the last time it happened, the person knew it, but they just were like, I have to deal with this, but still.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

Well, and that that's different. Hey, I have to deal with this. Give me a sec.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Well, that that's it, yeah. But I I I do see I at first was a little oppositional to the watch because I I yeah, I I don't see it that way. But the only the only two options of like, what am I telling you when you're talking to me and I look at my watch, whether it's a smart watch or a regular watch, is like, is this you know, are we done here? Or is like like I have something it's my mind is taking my tension. So I can see where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

Yeah, and it's very as somebody who's very uh opposed to smart watches. Okay, why okay. Very opposed. Yeah, okay. It's very noticeable.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

I will very opposed. I will I will start with saying I will try To be more aware that when I'm having a conversation with somebody, that the ding on my watch doesn't matter. Well, I I you do you. I'm just I I I hear you, I hear what you're saying. Uh it's a noticeable. And uh I also dislike things about uh the current culture we live in with distractions. Um my children, one child, drives me crazy lately with this. Uh and I yelled at her the other day, so I should probably do my best to.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Would you would you be less offended or the same had it was like the phone was down, he just like or like is it's that the same thing?

SPEAKER_03 40:40

Yeah, I think it's the same.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

And I think most people who have a smartwatch would probably feel as though that's less um insulting or like less.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Well, it's I wouldn't say it's insulting, it's just uh like a like a a physical cue, a body language cue that something else has distracted your attention. It's not insulting.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

But but sorry, but less but less of a I don't know what the word I'm looking for is. It's just like it's less rude than like if my for me to pick up my phone because it is I always yeah, I guess everybody knows what you're doing. Because but I'm always in the impression of like, oh, just take a quick glance at the watch because they don't know what I'm doing. Maybe I'm looking at the time. God, I wish this conversation was over. But you're right.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

It's it's people know what and as I say this, I'm thinking back to my last week, and I am like the worst offender sitting at my desk talking to somebody, being like, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 41:35

I need to just fucking throw this thing in the garbage.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I feel like that about the most tech like this is funny, I love technology, but I feel like that way about most technology right now and just how it's removing uh our ability to connect with people. Like it's just got it's just got it's either gone or it's so diminished to what it was before cell phones that it's insane. Like you look back at the even like videos of concerts from the 80s and 90s where everyone was just like watching the thing, just enjoying the moment, like whatever, and now you take a you go and it's just they're all everyone's either on their phones or they're looking at the concert through their phones because they want to videotape it, which are you gonna ever gonna watch that video again? And if you do, it's gonna be garbage, it's not gonna compare to the thing that you're in the moment of now.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

Um I don't doubt that phones are the number one reason people are having less and less ability to connect with each other. Yeah, and everything that comes with them, yeah, for sure. Um, who's the guy that made the Muppets?

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Jim Henson.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Jim Henson. So Jim Henson, I haven't seen it, but I listened to somebody talk about it. He made a cartoon, uh, a kid's cartoon after I think it was after making the Muppets. And uh I don't know if it was called this, but there was like the dark crystal in it. Oh, I know what you want, I know what you're talking about, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:54

And I'm gonna look it, I'm gonna go on my phone. I'm gonna look it up.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

It's called the Dark Crystal, isn't it? Is it?

unknown 42:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

Keep going though. And essentially, so it's a child's cartoon, but at some point in this cartoon, there's a bunch of potatoes lined up and they're staring at the dark crystal and it starts to suck their life energy out of them. That's what our phones are doing to us. That's interesting. Is it's is it's this this rectangle of doom that's sucking all of the humanity out of us.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Uh he also did Fraggle Rock. Did you ever watch that show? No. Oh, you didn't? No. It was awesome. Uh I don't see it here. Oh, yeah. The Dark Crystal. That was old. That's a it's a movie from 1982.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Huh, interesting. Is it a cartoon? Yeah, it's a it's a kid's show or a kid. It's like it's like uh it's like the Muppets though. It was they were like um like creatures. Creatures are like they were puppets, so like it wasn't animated, but it wasn't like live.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

It was like a it was still like a children's uh thing. But yeah, that was the whole um thing that I was listening to, was essentially like the comparison of this dark crystal. That's what our phones are doing to us, is they're sucking our life energy out of us and our ability to connect with each other and and just generally be a human being for so many reasons.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

But it's interesting because we would be the f one of the first generations that kind of were introduced to this versus the the generations that are being raised now. It's the only thing that they know. So we know a life before that, versus others don't know a life before that. But even though we had known a life before that and how maybe much better it was, or or yeah, how much better it was, we it's still hard for us to well, and that's because it speaks to like the power of the things on the phone.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

I mean, you literally have the world's smartest people working on the things to connect, like to take your attention. From a psychological level, yeah, right. And like that that context switching of TikTok and you know the emotional roller coaster of show you X number of positive videos and then a negative video and then hit you with an ad. And we've kind of talked about that. We're fucking doomed if we don't do something about it.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

And I don't know if there's I I I was thinking about this, I always think about this, to be honest, because I just feel like like you said, and it's like you said, we will be the last generation to know both. Well, I mean, obviously our parents know both as well, but like I would say they're less connected than we are, so it's like we know both sides, we're probably more c we all we're all more connected than we should be, knowing that the other way was better from a human connection level. But like from a productivity slash, I don't know, pure hedonistic side, the phones are the thing, right? But when you say productivity, like sure. Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, what what productivity? In I don't know, I yeah, that's a good point. I think they're um obviously from a work perspective, a lot of a lot of productivity is increased based on technology, but in our personal lives, yeah, is it are you more productive? I would say probably actually not. There's definitely some uh pros. I mean, just like talk about even like investing, okay. I can take advantage of that and use that for my own uh personal thing, right? So I can do that, cool. But yeah, on the other side of it, it's like even this like well personal wellness stuff, like or getting information or watching a video YouTube video about how to do something, like that that's all there, but that's not what's being used 90% of the time.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

Yeah, and all of our screen times vary from you know two to five hours a day. You're not getting two to five hours of output out of that. Um, I was thinking about this last night or the night before, so I was laying in the bed. I was super tired, had a couple unanswered text messages on my phone, and I it wasn't plugged in, but it was sitting beside my bedside table, and I was like, I was so tired, I was like, I don't want to plug my fucking phone in. And I was like, but I should plug my phone in. And then I had this like thought, I was like, why? What the fuck do I owe this phone? Right? Like it's your alarm clock. Yeah, but I didn't need it uh for that day. So I was like, you know what, fuck it. Fuck it. I'm just I'm not gonna answer these messages, I'm not plugging my phone in. Like, what the fuck do I need this for? But we feel like we have this like this, it's like an appendage.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Yeah, it's like an we feel an obligation 100% to answer messages, right? We just do. And I think you and unfortunately, we feel an obligation to answer, and we do feel like why isn't that person answered?

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Well, it's because we've created this social construct. And I mean, I was giving Tony the gears this morning for not answering my message. Right. I was sleeping. Yeah, you were fucking sleeping. Um, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Did you just sorry?

SPEAKER_03 47:38

Did you check the watch there?

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Go ahead. Okay, I see it now. I just checked my watch, everyone. Okay, I got a text message from her daughter, I checked my watch, I apologize.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

And and if you invite the more of this, and this is why I'm so against smartwatches, is because trying to be somewhat of a let it, like the more of this technology you invite into your life, the more of your life it's gonna own.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

But I also I agree, I I completely agree. And then on the other hand, I love it. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_03 48:09

Yeah, you love it, because it checks all those little dopamine boxes.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

I I just it's fun. I I don't know. Like the PS6 comes out, I'm gonna buy it probably day one, because I just am an idiot.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

That's different though, I think. That's I think that's different.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Yeah, it's it's it's it's just technology. It's just like that's I like technology. I don't know. Yeah, because it makes you feel good in your brain. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Cool. I'll stop checking my watch. I'll try to. I don't think you will.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

I'm gonna try to.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Um now that you've mentioned it and I I don't think you will, not because you don't want to or your heart's not in the right place, but because the technology is so good that it will override all of that.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Uh I will just try to be more intentional with like it. Do you know what I mean? Like that's that's that's I don't know, Frick. That's the hard part, right? Is everything is like I think anything is allowable in most circum in specific circumstances or times, but when it takes over those areas where like I should be having an engaged conversation and then your your attention is taken away, those are those moments you need to somehow figure out, no, no, right now is not the time for that. And I think that's hard for your brain to kind of sort through is it can I do it now? Is it how about now?

SPEAKER_03 49:22

And and I mean maybe we can use some of this technology for good. So if I think back to this wearable AI, open AI, whatever the fuck it ends up being, if it has some grasp of what you're currently engaged in, it can probably curate your notifications to appropriate times.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

But you have the ability in on the phone, iPhone to like set up things, right? Where you can like well, bedtime, you can set bedtime on your phone, you get no messages at night. Um, that kind of stuff. True.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

And I don't I don't but what I you you use it, but I don't know if you've ever used it. I see when I when you have your phone set on silenced or or or whatever, yeah. It shows when I'm about to text you, it says your message, uh, your messages are your phone's on silence. Yeah. I think for me, instantly I'm like, okay, like he's either doing something where he doesn't want to be bothered, and so I don't expect a response at all. Yeah. And I think like I that's a good way of like for us as like not wanting to be bothered or not feeling that urge to get back to somebody. If I put my phone on do not disturb, I know that someone's gonna see that my I'm not getting my messages, and there's gonna be zero expectation or little, there should be little expectation that I'm gonna get back to you. And I really like that um as like a good tool to for me, give me some comfort and give the people who are messaging me the the thought that maybe I won't get back to them.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Do you ever hit the button that's like deliver anyways? Notify on my son, notify loudly, yes all the time. But but and I mean, if we can if I could conceive a technology that solves this a little bit as like if you have the AI that's in your pocket listening to this conversation, is like he's clearly doing something, and then read your messages, filter them, and if it's not important, delay the notifications, delete them or that. This is not important, delete right. Because if your kid like texts you is like, hey, my car's broke down, I need a I need you to pick up. Then you should get that notification. But if it's like your kid being like, Hey, what's for dinner? Right, that can wait.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

So I mean we can and we're setting up bad habits, so I mean, for our kids and our like their their future, but uh in the same at the same time, it's like it's only gonna get more connected. And unless uh an EMP destroys all of our technology in the next however many years or nuclear war happens or meteor hits or whatever, unless any of that happens, this is only gonna get more and more connected, and their lives are gonna are intertwined with it. And not just lives, but like they're everything's gonna rely on it, their jobs or whatever, right? So it becomes difficult when you try I'm trying to on the one hand, it's like I look at sometimes the state of uh even like the family connection versus what I think it could have been 25, 30 years ago, and uh is it like that that kind of that like longing for that nostalgic like thing, but is that realistic to even want anymore given the world? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 52:18

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

For those who have experienced that, why what would be wrong with wanting that or desiring that?

SPEAKER_01 52:26

It's not wrong with wanting it, but it's the is the expectation unrealistic. Probably to some extent, yeah. Yeah, and that and that's what I struggle with, I think. A little bit of some unrealistic expectation of that versus I'm also a it also is a problem for me in terms of like usage, right? So I can't be hypocritical and say, well, you can't do this when we do it. So there's like a but there's a weird like um cognitive dissonance between that and this. And like but wanting wanting the nostalgic thing, yet in some ways unable to do it myself, but expecting that it still happen.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

But I think because you have experienced it and you know what it's like, like that's part of the reason why you have that desire for others to experience it, because you've been there and you know how it can be. So it's hard for you to maybe demonstrate that, but for you to want that for others or have that expectation, I think that that's a good thing. The but the reality is is is it likely to happen? No.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

But I think the problem with the expectation side of it, and is that I agree, except except for the expectation side, because if if you have an expectation of something and it's not happening, that gives uh that it gives you some exact anxiety or some uh something, again, I don't know what the word is in your in your psyche or your body or your mind where you're like but uh like not satisfied. You know what I mean? Expectations here, maybe that's an unrealistic expectation because it's not getting met. I feel a certain way that is not awesome. And so then it's like either you have to change your expectation to something that's actually realistic, or be fine with the fact that we're never gonna get to that spot. I don't know. That's what that's what I struggle with in general, I think, because it's just and then going forward, it's like I think it's again, I think it's only gonna become more and more um connected, and it's just a new way of life, which again I don't think is necessarily positive, it just is what it is. I think we're fucked. Yeah, I just think from a human connection level, um, you see it all the time with uh kids just trying to like talk to kids, and every once in a while you'll have a rare, a rare kid come around who can sits down and wants to talk, and you're like, what? Weird. But like if my my kid listens to this, whatever. Like she can't tell me sometimes some really basic, basic things about her friends, like her good friends, like basic stuff, like hey, uh what they like the summer, summer holidays. Hey, you have uh you were talking to so-and-so this what did they do all summer? Oh, I no idea. You were like talking for the last like four hours on the phone, or you've been talking, you've been texting all summer. Like, what do they would they do would they do this summer? Yeah, I don't I don't I'm not sure. Like, what do you what? Like what do you talk about? Like, is there conversation? Like, it just seems like the conversation is I there is a conversation because there's freaking text forever, but like, is it what is it about?

SPEAKER_03 55:46

The problem I think is the the problem is the text, the conversation via like yeah, text. Totally. Yeah, I mean, could you imagine in the 45 minutes that we've been going, if we tried to text everything we said, right?

SPEAKER_01 56:02

It would take days. Well, and you wouldn't get the things, like you wouldn't read the social cues and like uh yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

I it's you know, it's even I would encourage, like it'd be interesting to see if we encouraged our kids to phone their friends. People like, why are you calling me? But that's like when you think about it, like when I grew up, like when I would phone my girlfriend, like we'd talk on the phone for hours, yeah, right? Or you'd call your bros and same thing, like you'd you could get you could get that information because you're talking.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Yeah, but we had one line with no call waiting. Totally. So then I'd get yelled at because my parents would miss a call because I was on the phone.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

And and likely because often like that that maybe some of that information is even being provided, but because it's via the phone, you know, they're looking at watching TV and then just you know glancing down at the oh yeah. Uh and then like, or their their 10, like their attention isn't solely focused just on that conversation, right? Because they have it's part it's on the phone, right? So it's just like how much of that meat and potatoes information are you actually obtaining from the phone?

SPEAKER_01 57:05

It's bad enough now that even like if we decide we're gonna watch a movie as a family, it's like you put your phones over there because otherwise it becomes like you're watching a movie while you're looking at your phone, and you're like you're not even intaking any information at all.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

Like well, and how often I don't know about you, but a lot of time like we sit on the couch and it's like we're watching TV, but also I'm just like full set.

SPEAKER_01 57:29

Exactly. So I'm 100%, and it was uh frustrating because like it's like hypocritical, except that it's like you almost have to like carve that time out, like hey, no no. This is we're watching this, the this is the plan thing, we're watching this movie, or we're doing this thing, we're playing this game, we're doing whatever. Your phone is not coming near you over there, and like we then we enforce ourselves to as well. And it's funny because like at a certain point in time, sometimes you get this like lull in the movie, you're kind of a little bit bored, and you're like, we check. Like, it's weird, right? It's a weird thing that we're like, how why are we like this?

SPEAKER_02 58:03

Well, it's because your brain just needs constantly, it doesn't, but you you're like I'm actually uh impressed at your ability because your brain does need it, because you can you can listen to a podcast while reading a book, while watching a movie, while playing a video game, while making dinner at the same time. Like you're able to do all of those things. I wish I could do that because you can you can multitask to the point where you can get more than one thing done at at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

I've done that before.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

That's impressive, but that also would indicate like would make sense why your brain needs like you're watching a movie, but I need also need to be reading a book and you know, checking my text messages and checking my my stocks right now because you can process uh I I would say like I'm I'm missing I'm missing information somewhere for sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

Like it you can't do all those things, it's just not possible. Like I definitely have to that in the past, but um I don't know. It's just it's not good, it's not good, it can't be good.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Well, it's not getting better. I mean, I'm sure you all have moments of clarity where you're sitting around and you look around the room and everybody's on their oh hundred percent. And you're like, oh and then like I'm like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_02 59:12

That's that's every day. Like you can go anywhere in this city at any every day and encounter that.

SPEAKER_03 59:17

But most of the time you're a participant in that versus an observer, at least I am, right?

SPEAKER_02 59:21

Like, but I wonder if other people observe it as well. Like at some point in time, there's somebody else looking up and being like, what is going on? And that's that's like a probably the only way.

SPEAKER_03 59:29

It's like a moment of clarity and psychosis. You know what I mean? You're like, oh my fuck.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

That it happens for sure. And then when it happens, you it's like you just want to be like, oh, like it's a disgust. It's disgust. Like that's the feeling I get. Like, is like this is what we've come to. We're all together sitting in a room, no one's talking, no one's talking, and we're all looking at some random bullshit on our phones.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Yeah, we're all looking at fucking Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 59:53

Every and everybody's looking at bullshit. Like nobody's looking at anything meaningful or intensity. Everybody's looking at it.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

The difference like Hundred percent. So like a different and it's just a different feeling. If you would look, if you're doing you look up and someone's reading a book, someone's reading the newspaper, someone's drinking the coffee, watching TV, like that's different. And I don't know why it is. Cause it seems like maybe they're doing something somewhat useful, gather getting some information. I don't know. Cause that I I picture you know nostalgia back in the 80s. That's what it would be. Like if you're sitting in a room and no one's really talking, it's because everyone's doing something, like reading a book, watching a thing, maybe watching the news. Like my grandpa's always watching the news, whatever, right? But like to me, that just seems like a lot different where because it you you could be like, hey, what's and start a conversation, and people be like, oh, and they put down their thing and talk. Whereas like the phone is just like it sucks in. I don't I don't know, dude. I it's the dark crystal. It it is. There's just weird times. Like I I I can't get away from it. Like, there's just stuff on like you just like you get sucked into this thing, but then there's things that I just wish I did more of, like reading, like I haven't read a book in a long time. I want to read, I should be reading. Uh, the other day, I played the hour piano for like an hour and a half yesterday, and I was like, I need to do this more. Like, I just like I love doing this. I love when I like you start coming together, and you I'm I'm like, I'm okay at it. I could be so I could be really good at it because at one point in time I was pretty good and now I've just blah and so just trying to like but like even an hour and a half yesterday, I'm like, oh I enjoy doing this. Why don't I carve time out? As long as I don't have time. I have time to do this if I want to make make it a priority. And so it's like, why and why do we not make it a priority? Like, why? Uh even like my backsman uh drive me crazy, and it's like, why don't I just make stretching like our yoga an hour, two hour a priority a day? Like it wouldn't be that hard. I get it's not like I couldn't carve that time out.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

It's because you don't get dopamine immediately from it. Yeah, you just get that like hit that crack pipe, get that uh feel that little meth bubble and hit it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

Cause then you because we talk about discipline on this thing a lot, and it's like it's weird how you can feel like you're disciplined in some areas of your life and just feel completely useless in other areas. Yeah. Like it drives me crazy. Cause I because if discipline is just as simple as like, oh, I'm a disciplined person versus I'm not, then they'd be like, okay, cool, I do all the things that I know are good for me, or that I I wouldn't touch that thing, or I would do what I need to do. But it's like, okay, oh, I'm I'm in a routine of the gym, awesome, I'm disciplined, I'm eating okay, I'm disciplined, but it's like I'm still spending six hours a day on my phone. I'm still like, you know what I mean? Like it's so frustrating.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

Yeah, I just I I don't think it's gonna get better. I think you can like in individual little pockets, it might get better, but society is too far down that rabbit hole. And short of some brain computer interface where suddenly we all know what's going on inside of everybody else's head.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

But the other thing that I find interesting is we have the ability to like take that step back and look at it from the view of like we know this isn't good. We we can see it because we had life without it. Do you think that those, you know, the generation after us who are adults see that like any negativity from what they're doing whatsoever? Or does it are they so just like this is life that there's no negativity, they don't see any missed connections, they don't see any missed up, you know, any of that negativity that we see from it, or do you think that they just embrace it like this is everything is great, this is my life, like this is how I do life.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

No, I I think that they I think that that's why we're seeing uh such a rise in depression and anxiety, because maybe they don't know what it is or they can't put a finger on it, but just that that connection is so missing from people um that I feel like they might not even know what it what it the thing the problem is, but I I I personally feel like that that is what it is. It's it's just like they have no community, there's no real connection. Oh, I got a ho I got 200 friends on Instagram, awesome. When's the last time you went and had a coffee for two hours with somebody and just talked?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Sure. I I that makes sense to me, but then again, like how do they know what they're like if they've never had that, they're not missing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Sure, but I think you know we've had community. I get that, but I still think that you can I still think you can miss something that you but you don't know what that hole is, like you don't know where the hole is that needs to be filled. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's like a something missing, there's something lacking in your in your life or social life, and you but you don't know what it is, but there's like that sense of like loss. Or I I still think that's 100% possible. And I think that's what a lot of a lot of that is right now in in kids is or people who are maybe grew up with technology and not having good, actually, actually meaningful good friendships where they you know what I mean. Like I think that even they even though they can't put a finger on it and say, Oh, you know what I need is an actual good connection with a group of people. But the people who find it, like find that, whether it's through sports or fit CrossFit or uh religion or whatever, whatever when they find it, they're like, Oh, this is what I needed. I needed connectivity, I needed somebody who actually gave a shit about me and will call me or show up at my house or not just be like, hey bro, you good? You know what I mean? I I and that that's what that's what's I feel is difficult in raising kids in this a in this generation is trying to figure out like to push them to that. Like you need to develop relationships on a level that are different than what you're doing. You need to develop friendships on a level of like and like where you I don't know, where it matters, it like you care, it's not just like a superficial, hey, we want to make a TikTok together, like which is what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

Well, it's because it's the thing to do, yeah. Yeah, and they're all twisted up by I like I think some of it too is they'll feel like I I do agree, like you probably like they feel something is missing, um, but even just their interface with society in air quotes is it's this algorithmic thing that isn't even a reflection of what society is, right? Your algorithm and my algorithm are not the same. Uh and like we just we literally don't see the same things. So, how can you be connected with somebody when you are getting fed a completely different narrative on whatever social media or whatever thing you spend your time, your attention with? Um like it it it sets you up to fail when connecting with connecting with somebody, like I think from the outset, you know, and like especially I I worry about like people in you know the age of 18 to 25 right now that have this like they're old enough to have opinions or values or thoughts, but like they're all I don't know, skewed, skewed and fed to them based on whatever like the algorithm thinks that they should or want to see, and there's no like because they're not talking with people in person, there's no consensus uh among them. And so then how can you ever connect with somebody if there's never any consensus or any like shared belief, I think, in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

And and then now add the complexity of you can't trust even things that you see with your eyes.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:35

That's a really great segue.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

I don't I'm not trying to segue. All but I'm saying like, but like that is huge, right? Now add there's nothing that you can actually trust that you're watching because it could be literally all made up, or it could be manufactured slightly to alter facts, or like that's that's the world they're gonna live in. And so how do you how how is anything tangible? Like I it's so and even for old people like us, where it's like we didn't grow up with that, and now we're sitting in sitting in a position where we're like you have to start questioning is that is that put in front of my eyes for a purpose, or is that just the facts? And then it gets so difficult for people who can you think have the ability to discern like what reality it was versus what are we seeing now? But it's almost impossible. It's so good, and it's gonna be obviously better next week, and then the week after that, and the week after that. Um at that point you throw your hands in the air, and I don't think you can trust anything that you see.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

It's almost like we need to have everybody needs their pair of meta Ray-Ban glasses, and the ability to like through like some verified identity, like this is Tony and this is his fucking blockchain ID. I need to see what Tony's seeing when he's here, so I can validate that there's some truth to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

That's so ugly though. That's just so much time and effort just to verify truth. Yeah, but that's where we're at. I know, but it's like but nobody has time to do that, so nobody's gonna do it. And if because nobody's gonna do it, uh, it just becomes like futile.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:26

I don't maybe people will do it. Like if it's like, hey, there's uh a bunch of stuff going on in Gaza, I'm gonna plug into you know this person in Gaza's feed. This is like Black Mirror.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Oh fuck yeah, and this is where we're going. This makes me I don't go back and watch Black Mirror all of them. I didn't know that'll make you feel better. But it's like it's the truth, it's just like that they just aha, frick, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:51

But it's it's what like what is your other option when your entire reality is like algorithmically curated?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

The only other option is to become a weirdo and disconnect completely and go live in the bushes, uh, or just like go get a job framing houses and that and listen to music all day and go home at night and have a supper. Like you know, like just pull like disconnect, like fully just be like, I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna participate in this. But it's like I but you will you can't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

But but I you're onto something there though. But because you you in our gen like for I think that that you could live that lifestyle. That's you very well could that's an achievable lifestyle in our geographic region, and with the I I think in certain places maybe that's less likely, but I think for where we're we're at, that that is something that's achievable for the foreseeable future.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

You think it's achievable to go to work, frame a house all day? You could go home, have your dinner.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

You could I think that in yes, I think that you could you could unplug by getting rid of uh actually I saw a girl the other day um at my son's uh jujitsu gym. Uh she had a flip phone. She's a mom and she's just T9 typing on her flip phone, closed it, and I was like, dang, that's sweet. So ask her about it, you should next time ask her about it. Um you could have a phone like that, and you could take your old pickup truck, go down to the local uh labor uh mill and do labor for eight hours a day. The old labor mill. Just go to the labor mill for one. And do labor for eight hours a day and then go home. What did you do? I labored all day. Have a steak dinner and uh not watch TV, you could read it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

Except you can't afford the amount of discipline you're you're literally Yeah, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:53

Like but is it achievable?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:54

Well, I I don't think it is. Is it achievable? If you live in a society that's sole goal is to capture your attention in whatever way it can. You would have to be fucking saint.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:05

You could go back and live like we like we grew up. You couldn't. You could. I 100% think you could. I would be curious.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

I need you to pay your utility bill. How are you gonna do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:15

Go on my computer and and pay my bill. Okay. Online banking.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

Um yeah, okay, and and all your other bills.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

Well, he he doesn't he's got online banking, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

Yeah, I'm not saying like I'm saying you could disconnect from easily with uh desktop computer for your rabbit ears on your TV necessities, and I not not not you don't even need a TV.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

I need a new scrubby brush for my uh for my kitchen. I'm just gonna go get it at the store.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

Yeah, just run down to your local Costco and your local labor store, pick up the scrubby.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:45

I get what you're saying, but I'm saying it's it's probably it is it would be challenging, but you could do it. You you sure could. And I and I feel you find great um like a a high level of uh satisfaction doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

You very I I completely agree with you. Uh that that's doable and like it's it's romanticized in my head right now, yet there's so many things that you'd be missing out on that I think it would be hard to give up. But what what would be what would you be missing out on that would be well, number one, most of those jobs that we're talking about aren't super high-paying jobs. So they're jobs that like you're gonna struggle, like the grocery prices right now are going to murder you. Um like so I'm just saying, like, there's just they're gonna have some like just based on like the type of job that we're talking about, like a labor job, which again is what probably some of the jobs that AI isn't gonna take in the next 10-15 years, and they're gonna be super valuable, but they're also tend to be lower paying.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:48

Yeah, but so okay, so sure. So you're like a red ticket plumber, red seal plumber? Ticketed plumber, ticketed plumber, yeah. That's what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

Red seal chef.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:57

Sure. You're a fucking plumber. You're a journeyman plumber. Yep. You're making 60 bucks an hour.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

Life's good. You think journeyman plumbers make 60 bucks an hour? You own a business and you're making first of all, are you saying you own this business or are you just a plumber working for business? They're not making 60 bucks an hour.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:15

I'd say uh electricians, welders, plumbers. Uh my phone's dead. No. The high-level ones are probably making decent money.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:23

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:23

55.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

I'm gonna check to see if ChatGB GPT knows.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Regardless, you I find it interesting that you correlate a lower skill, well, I wouldn't even say a lower skilled job, but like a labor-related job with the ability to disconnect from Yeah, that I was I was trying to make make that connection myself as he was talking about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

Uh starting wages,$33 an hour. Top wages, 95th percentile,$44.10 an hour. In where? Uh Alberta.

unknown 1:14:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:00

The average hourly wage is$39.24 per hour. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

Okay, so you're making$45 an hour. What's$45 times$2080?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

Uh well, so the average yearly salary based on the highest rate is$83,000 a year.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:15

So you're making not great money. Right. So anyway, doesn't matter. The point is just that, again, romanticized, I'm on like I'm on board. I think it's sometimes like, oh, that sounds great. But yeah, like the ability, why does it mean they're they can disconnect more? I just think uh so from from a work perspective, if they're hard workers, they're not on their phones. They're gonna be they literally working all day. They got stuff to do, they're not gonna be on their phones scrolling the gram. They're doing stuff. So like from that, their their ability to be on their phone during the day is gone. So their environment is helping them. I think I think so, yes. So their environment 100% dictates their like less use of technology. Um you go home at night, you're tired. You've been plumbing all day. You've been plumbing all day. You're tired, you've been tired pulling your pants up all day because like that crack just keeps coming out. I don't know why. It's just is what it is. So you're tired from that, you come home, you just have less, you wanna just have your supper. Watch the hockey game, watch the game, drink a beer, go to bed.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:22

Yeah, that sounds miserable. Well, they relax. First of all, people like that. Sure. That sounds miserable to me. There you go. Okay. Um yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. Nothing about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

I don't know how we do it. We do what it is. We don't, we can't do it. Okay, fine. Let's just all just look at our phones all day.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:41

Plug into the matrix. Okay, fine. We need your bodily energy to fuel the machine.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

Okay, I whatever. I'm not gonna disconnect. I'm gonna reconnect.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:49

I want you to connect. I'm gonna overconnect. I'm gonna be connecting so hard. We're gonna connect so hard tonight. I want you to go home and order the Apple Vision Pro.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

I'm gonna connect. Yeah, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna walk in. Actually, I'm not gonna take that thing off. I'm gonna come to work with Apple Vision Pro on. I'll put it in opaque mode so I can see what's going on, and uh I'll wear it all day. Uh and which could be the future. The future is here.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

I I will I will happily put money on the fact that we'll all be having like some serious tech integration in five years.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:18

That seems I mean, I don't disagree that it's going to happen. I think that the majority of people we know in five years won't have it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

Five years, like in tech life in tech world is like crazy different. They're like dog years. Like, think about five years ago. What year is it? Uh 2020? Yeah, I guess it doesn't seem like there's much difference. I mean, there phones are better.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:42

Society's basically like on the precipice of collapse. But yeah, no, no, no. I'm just thinking technology-wise.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

I'm like, phones are better, but like it didn't really change that much. I guess this phone is still from 2020. Yeah, that's true. It's doing okay. Yeah, you should get a new one. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:57

I think a lot has changed in five years. Maybe not techno well, even technology-wise.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:02

Okay, so like what? Like so online banking is still the same. Okay, AI.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:06

What what in your life has changed in five in the last five years due to technology? Specific specifically related to technology.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:14

Um my thermostats better. I got some new thermostats last week. Uh-oh. They uh did you get a nest? The nest seven?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:27

I got rid of my nest. And what did you go with?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:28

EcoBee.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:29

He went back to the old school, just the mercury fucking tilt-y thing makes con uh makes a connection with the contacts.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:36

You got rid of his furnace and just got a wood burning clothes.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

Yeah, I don't know. I can't I can't say like a specific technology outside of my phone has changed at all. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

But I think So you're not helping your argument a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:50

Well, no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:52

But I think I don't disagree. It's like this is coming and it will eventually come to the most of us, but you're you had some really hard parameters there. The majority of people we know in the next five years will have this.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:04

I think you didn't even say what it was. Hey, they will have you not know we do this. Like I said that Ed Gean's furniture was on display somewhere, and it's not, and he's going hard on the technology side.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:18

It is what it is. I think if you look at history and look at you know cell phones and the internet, um, I think it is just somewhat self-evident that in five years AI will infiltrate our lives in ways that we probably can't even imagine yet. And I think five years is a realistic time scale. Think about your Motorola Razor back in the day. Yeah, it's wicked. Yeah, they were dope. But like uh the change between that and your iPhone was not a long time. And then as soon as the iPhone, and I'm not saying that your first Google Glasses are gonna be amazing, but between the first iPhone. Once that fucking floodgate is opened, well, here we are. So like the next floodgate is about to get opened. You're making me want to go buy some Ray Bans. Do it. Or the Oakley's, I don't know. Like maybe the metaverse will be back. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:16

Yeah, that would that took off. My kid still plays uh the Oculus. It's fun. Yeah, that's not the same. True. Okay. Uh Ready Player One, one of my favorite movies.

unknown 1:20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

And that'll be maybe that'll be at like augmented reality, will be. I mean, dude, it's again, it's not far off you wearing your glasses and ads showing up on the side of the road that aren't there. You're already wearing glasses, nerd. That would drive me nuts. I'd have to pay for the premium. You'd have to pay for the premium. No ads. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's they're going to monetize everything fucking view of the world. So this is fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:59

I I often think when I'm seeing ads on I YouTube is probably where I spend a majority of my time. And I don't have the premium. I can't think every single ad that I see, I critique. I'm thinking, like, who is seeing this ad? And maybe they're curated to me based on all my text messages and emails my phone's been reading. But I'm like, who is seeing this ad and being like, yep, that's it. I need to go, I forgot. I need to go get that laundry detergent too.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:31

Sometimes it works. Like, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:32

I have every single time I look at it, I'm like, why am I getting this ad?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:36

There's nothing about this ad that would make me you might have your settings turned so it's not generated.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:42

Maybe. But I'm all but I'm also wondering, like, like, are ad revenues still so high, or or like the response to ads still so high that people are willing, like these ad companies are paying billions of dollars to show these people these ads. Like I don't I I just don't get it. We know now that you know if commercials and ads have been around for how long. Are we still that affected by it? That they're that it's worthwhile for them to show us these ads.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:12

I don't know about the YouTube ads because I also get just I'm just like, wait till you can hit the skip part. But certainly some of the ones that show up in other ways in Google or Facebook or Instagram. Yeah, like I've bought shoes because I got a fucking Instagram ad for it. Yeah, I bought stuff of Instagram off of ads. Because like that's like I think and especially I think these companies they don't pay a lot of money per ad. So you gotta think if it costs them, you know, whatever, X number of dollars to get 5,000 ads, and out of that they convert, you know, five percent into customers, well, that's that's worth it for them, and you're just part of the other, you know, 4,500 people that don't see it or whatever it is. Um, and and so I think there's like that shotgun approach with advertising where like we all get exposed to it, but they're looking for the customers that are actually gonna click on it, and it's just there's that percentage of people that need to see it to click on it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:06

The Instagram ones I've definitely um gone, I've looked in their stores before, like maybe not bought anything, but there's been some ones that pop up, I'm like, ooh, that's actually looks interesting. And some of it might be like um like a clothing company, a hoodie or something, and just oh that I like that. It's nice. Uh, I bought a rash guard before off of one that I got. It was just like it popped up and like, oh, those are kind of cool. I popped and looked, and they're I'm like, oh, we'll try it out, see how it goes. Um, yeah, I don't know. And I'm always like, are these actually legitimate good companies, or is it possible that these are completely garbage? Um, and just like it's for some reason my head's like, oh, it's gotta be an okay company, otherwise, why would they have an ad?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:45

Here's a dystopian future for you. So we all have meta Ray Ban glasses, and suddenly you on the back of your uh SUV, you're selling advertising space on the back of it for other people to see what they're Ray Bans. Ooh, how fucked is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:59

That's a good idea. It's coming.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:04

I'll sell yeah, the cookies. Everybody's just driving around with ads on the back there.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:08

Dude, I could see it. I I could totally see it. Like that's I don't know, man. That's interesting. Yeah, like it's it's just gonna all come back to attention if you have if they have more ways to capture people's attention.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:19

But that's like in that in the Ready Player One uh movie, that's what the whole thing was about. Like the idea that uh the oasis was kept pure and not and then the guys who want the company that wants it by that win the game of the of this wanted to make the oasis into like this big advertising thing, and like 80% of you could be taken with advertising. And it's like that's kind of a it's interesting. Did you ever read the book? I didn't I never did. I should guess way better. Yeah, and then Ready Player 2 is also pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:49

It's the sequel. That's what I yeah, I got that. Is there a ready player three? No. Okay. No, let's pump the brakes here, okay? Okay, sorry, sequel, not a fucking series, trilogy. Sorry. Are you ready to talk about your guys' uh no, we're just getting Oh yeah, look at the tire.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:07

It's getting late. It is getting late, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:09

I'm concerned.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:10

Then save it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:11

I'm concerned about you. You shouldn't be concerned about us. I think you should uh be concerned about yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:16

I'm talking also concerned about me. Okay. But is there something specific?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:22

Uh I don't really want to get into this. Um the internet, there are differing opinions of a whole bunch of things that happen in the world. Uh like flat Earth, for example.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:44

Are you thinking that where is this flat? Is that where this is going?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:47

No, I'm not. I'm just saying that you can find opinions and sometimes fairly convincing arguments to things that seem somewhat crazy. Uh, and then you can end up in this position where you start looking at some of this uh data or videos or explanations, and they start becoming um they start messing with your ability to understand reality. However, I think that in some instances what we've been told in the past about things uh have been complete lies. And and the official narrative story of certain things in the past uh were were literally they were made to present uh a specific story narrative of what happened. So they were basically said that they wanted everyone to know. So, for example, we don't need to get into moon landing, but let's just take the moon landing for example. So you can say that if you look at it from um a perspective of they wanted a story to be told specifically, like they want the US to get to the thing and we conquered it, and yay, yeah, yeah, good job, right? So whether or not it was real or wasn't, I don't think it was, uh, you have this narrative that was put out there with all of this data, uh, and and back in a time when you couldn't really verify anything. Cool. But now you have all this these other people who are saying other things and bringing up questions and have different uh videos and have have legitimate questions like, okay, well, what it's super strange that wait, all of the data's gone. We can't look at any of the telemetry data or any of the whatever. And so then you start questioning the narrative. The issue is that in general, it's it's very obvious that governments or agencies or whoever have used things like this in the past to try to push something forward, right? So my problem is that because there's an official narrative about a story, I think it's difficult in this uh time of our lives to just be like, oh, okay, cool, and move on with life. Do you know what I mean? You could, if you don't give a shit, 100%, do that and move on with life because maybe it doesn't matter. But sometimes I think that this official narrative story, where they're everyone gets on board, uh, for example, COVID, uh, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, says who, right? But that narrative that everyone's the parroting um uh becomes problematic in terms of like there's they're pushing something. Something is not like this isn't where's the data, where's the proof, where's the the studies to back it up, all these things. And if you ask questions, they're already they're like, no, no, no, you can't ask that question, it is what it is. My so this Charlie Kirk thing. Um, so if you're listening and what am I what is my freaking point? I I agree. I'll get to the point. Uh so what we're not wanting to talk about is the idea that maybe the official narrative of who killed Charlie Kirk uh isn't actually what happened. And that is so there's an insane amount of videos, and there are some absolute crazy people who present things that make no sense for sure. But then there's some real interesting questions and some real interesting um things that people do right at as he gets shot in the video that don't make any sense. And so the the problem is like I I just think my I'm not saying that I know anything, like know what happened, but I really struggle with believing the official narrative of this guy got on a roof, shot this dude, ran away, somehow dismantled the gun, put the gun in his backpack, and then for some reason re-assembled the gun and left it in a bush and then went to Dairy Queen. Like something seems weird about that, and then you add all of the other things that you can see through videos, and sure, some of it is absolutely insane. I agree. Some of it's crazy, some of it doesn't make sense. And if you don't give a shit and you're like, I just want to believe the official narrative, I can understand why. Because we can't question absolutely everything in the world because it becomes we lose our minds. But this one specifically is just really interesting to me because it just seems very obvious that the official story isn't isn't adding up. Word. That's a lot of talk to bring up one thing. I'm honestly very confused how you um wouldn't question the official narrative. Well and and to be and I think that if you do, you haven't looked into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:10

Word.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:13

And let me just start. I don't care. Like if you don't want to look into it and you want to be the official narrative, I'm also okay with that. I'm gonna I'm gonna yell at you every once in a while because I because I think it's wrong. And here's the other thing. I think it's wrong, and I don't have an answer. So like I there's both. Like I don't think it's the official narrative. I also don't have an answer for you as to what I think happened. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:37

Okay. So here's let me let me try and part parcel my thoughts up in a nice little package here for you, because this is gonna go fucking left uh if I can't do this. I think the risk is is that like generally we have seen in our lifetimes or like events that have happened, we have seen so many things that don't make sense. And the problem is, is that sometimes some of these things indeed did not make sense. I I have kept I keep flip-flopping about the moon landing. I've seen some very compelling things that suggest it didn't happen, but I've also read some very compelling things that essentially make it impossible for it not to have happened. Like, for example, apparently there's like a ranging laser on the moon that they put there that is still in use today. So how the fuck did that get there if they didn't go to the moon? They can still send I still like humans on the moon. I'm not saying they can't send probes. Again, I I don't know. I don't know if a probe can just put it there. I I I I I can only spend so much of my life looking into these things.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:33

I agree. However, there's too many things.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:35

The problem is that when everything becomes a conspiracy, that you you work under this premise that there's always this like greater organization or like puppet master thing up top making all these things happen. It's like when you said the Black Hawk crashed into that Delta plane on purpose. Okay. I say some stupid things. And I'm not it's not a slight against you, but that like a lot of this shit, most shit, can be attributed to incompetence prior to like like malice or negligence. I don't disagree or or things like that, or like intention. Um I have looked into the Charlie Kirk thing. I'm curious if at any point other than eight-second Instagram videos, you've actually read the FBI reports. Not eight seconds, first of all, they're like minutes. Okay. Minutes of videos. Sure, 60 seconds. Have you actually read the FBI reports? Uh first of all, FBI is involved in covering this up. And that's the problem, is to if you just always work under the presumption that good men and women who do uh a job that like a lot of people do, and you just always assume when these events happen, that these people in these individual locations that have no connection to these other events suddenly just are like complicit in this conspiracy. Like that in itself to me says there's no way this is possible if you always assume that like when the time comes for a conspiracy to happen, the people in Pennsylvania or wherever, fucking Utah, uh suddenly are like, you know what, we've been doing our job good for 20 years, but this time it's a conspiracy and we're just gonna neglect the evidence.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:22

No, that's a good point, for sure. Uh I would I would agree that that would be that's an important side of it. I think that there is an a potential though that those people wouldn't know that they're being manipulated.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:36

Right. But I also think you you need to give these people some credit that they would be as somewhat as intelligent as you, and I would suspect you would not be able to be manipulated in that fashion if you were put in that position. Um for example, yeah. I've watched the surveillance video, I've read the FBI reports, and I think that what they say happened is what happened. Why? Well, this surveillance video shows him carrying the gun away from the scene, which is what they say, and I've watched the video, and I think I see it too. No, at no point did they say he dismantled the gun. At no point have they said he dismantled the gun. No, they did. Show me where.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:18

I think Cash Patel even said it, did he not? Show me where. It it was in a report. Okay, that he didn't get the gun.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:26

I don't have an answer for you. And that's the problem. If you buy into these conspiracies and then don't back check the sources, everything's gonna be a conspiracy. How much time do you think I have? Well, enough to fucking prove that the thing you believe is like Okay, let's relax and believe.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:42

I'm just saying, like I like here. This is yeah, yeah, Rick. Yeah, I you bring up some valid points, uh, and I think that if I was gonna die on a hill, which I'm not with this at all, I'm willing to say some crazy things and then be proven wrong later for sure. But I was gonna die on a hill here, then yeah, I should do some better job of actually in like going to the sources of things.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:09

Um these videos come out and they are supremely entertaining. Yeah, and I like watching them too. The fucking 9-11, the World Trade Center. Oh, yeah, those are good ones. Dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:20

I'm still convinced that that that yeah. And I'm I'm not so if we But like I don't know. And again, like I haven't gone to any source material here, but like with the World Trade Center one, my biggest question is just how the what are the chances that both those buildings fall directly on top of each other because of um a plane hitting upper levels of the tower, and then the third building that fell with nothing hitting it, and fell like a demolition building.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:47

Right. And the problem is is uh thanks to Tony, I went down a deep 9-11 uh rabbit hole. And it's interesting because you will, I think you like just like with Charlie Kirk or 9-11, you will find opinions on both sides. I've I read some very compelling and watched some very compelling videos from engineers that said there's no way these towers weren't demolished. And then I watched some very compelling videos from engineers saying, here's why these towers fell the way they did. Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:14

Right, and I and I agree, that's that's the that's the messed up part about the world the little world we live in, is you can find the experts on both sides of the coin. And the same thing was with COVID. You could find experts uh like on both sides who are like, wait a minute, this is yeah, 100% too good, 100% not good. And so it becomes very difficult for the average morons like us to be like, Well, what what do you what happened? And then, but that's where I think when you come from like you try to use your logical critical thinking brain and be like, okay, but that doesn't act like why would a person act that way? So back to the Charlie Kirk thing, like with the the security, the turning point, and like the security that he had, some of the actions that they take immediately after the shooting are seem super, super weird from a close protection detail kind of perspective. Like, why would you do that?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:59

Right, I agree. Those are weird, yeah. Um, but without the benefit of asking these people questions or having the context outside of the single video camera angle you have, sure, but that that's that's thing. There's like leaps being made for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:14

But again, I agree with both of you. However, like what what what gets me is just like the like we're just weighing the probability. So there's some weird things, there's enough weird things that don't make me bel like that don't give me the belief that what they're saying happened, happened. I don't know what happened, I don't have an answer either. But there's just enough uh deviation from what they're saying that happened, from what I've seen happen, that it's just enough for me to believe, like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:44

And I'm with you, and the but then I start thinking, are the things this is this is the issue. Then I start thinking, are the things that we're seeing, uh some of them, like uh misrepresentations of what of the video, right? Because someone easily could like slightly edit a video to cause like a little blip or cause a little thing to make you be like, oh, like, whoa, what's this, guys? Where and how do we know that that's the that's not what happened, or that's the problem is with all of this crap. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:15

And and I like I do try and view most of these things through the lens of like what is it, Occam's razor? Like the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. The simplest explanation for me for Charlie Kirk is what they said would happen, because the alternative is horribly complex.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:31

Very, very complex. And but the and I agree with you for the most part, but then those horribly complex things have happened, have been proven to be what happened in the past. Like they're in terms of like government involvement for whatever weird reasons being. Um like there's that's ha it has happened. And so the that's the problem is then you start cut doubting and questioning everything. You add in, can I even believe what I see with my eyes about this video? Or is this video doctored? Uh there it just becomes. Literally impossible. And maybe this is where we just need to stop looking at this stupid shit and just be like, whatever, and move on with life.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:07

No, and I think you need to look at it, and I think it's it's an entertaining discussion, if nothing else. Because there's nothing we can do about it either.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:14

And there's no hill I'm re I'm ready to die on on any of these topics. Moon landing, 9-11, like none of it. But it just it's really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:21

Uh I'm willing to die on the hill that the uh the Nord Stream pipeline was an inside job. Okay, but that's a conspiracy theory. Yeah, but that one's fucking pretty obvious.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:30

Exactly. But that's but that that is my point, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:32

Like when somebody's been no, there's nothing has ever happened in the past. It's easy, but because like he's saying, there's a history of like governments lying.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:39

Like MK Ultra. Like like Yeah, totally. Governments lie, governments lie their ass off. I mean, um and and I I maybe I don't know. It'd be interesting if we're proved wrong at some point and they're like, haha, alien disclosure, like we've just been distracting you guys from all this stuff, or like haha, alien disclosure, we've had spacecraft for 70 years. Sure. Uh both are incredible. What about hollow earth? No, I'm pretty sure science answers that one. Maybe I just think it's it's a it's like a it's like the cycle of violence where if one thing is a conspiracy, because there are conspiracies, yeah, but like everything is why conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:15

This is why like I referen I've referenced it before, but I think it's really an underrated movie, is the movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson. And it it just it it was such a good movie because uh if you again if you haven't watched it, it's an old probably 90s movie, but basically he's a crazy dude who carries around the book Catcher in the Rye, the whole and he just like he's obsessed with it. But he has he writes this column about conspiracy theories, like just consistently, and all of a sudden the government's trying to kill him and he doesn't know which one he got right, and it's it's a really really good movie, but yeah, I don't know, and they're all entertaining.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:45

Um and I mean, like yeah, I think it was Elon Musk said something, you know, the most entertaining outcome is the most likely outcome, which I don't I don't believe that. Um, because I mean the most entertaining outcome in all of these conspiracy theories is that we've all true. We've been completely duped on everything. Uh I I just I I think like you we have all seen enough in our own life the inability of human beings to fucking get anything done or organize or shut their mouth, or and again, I know that there's conspiracies that are for sure conspiracies, but like and like for personally for me, the thing that kind of opened the floodgates for me to like distrust anything that the official narrative necessarily is was COVID.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:29

That just was for me, it was like the official the thing that opened my eyes be like, Oh, you're straight up lying to us. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:35

Right, but the and the problem with COVID is yeah, that was bullshit. I don't wouldn't call that a conspiracy in the sense that they're like, hey, we're gonna It was a conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:44

It was a group, it was a group of people getting together on the same page for the for a one goal, which is to get this thing separated.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:52

Right, right, but not done. So let me like be very clear in my distinction here. Yeah, it was a conspiracy if you want to just say like the definition of conspiracy is people conspiring for an outcome. But it wasn't saying we're gonna control the world because we're gonna have this virus released from Wuhan and XYZ is gonna happen. It was a bunch of idiots making idiot decisions saying, you know what, it's probably just best if we just say the vaccine works because like the alternative is not great, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:18

Like, yeah, and I'm not I'm not complaining, I'm not saying that it was necessarily released on purpose or anything like that, for sure. But uh yeah, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:24

Negligence and incompetence all around. Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to do it. Because that's what human beings do is we're fucking incompetent and we're negligent.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:31

Yeah, for sure. But in j but that is why, like, my distrust, I guess that I get maybe that's a better term.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:38

My distrust in like the news and what they're telling us is happening was just amplified to to Well yeah, because you had a hundred and radio stations talking the same talking point, because we live in a capitalist society where you have corporations whose sole mission is to create value for shareholders, shareholders, and uh that's never gonna lead towards like truth or like honesty. It's my truth, bro. And you know what? Don't ever let anybody tell you different.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:06

Uh thanks for listening today. I'm gonna go home. Uh this might have been depressing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:12

I thought it was a good one. I do wanna say, I just put this caveat out here in case the mothership lands in a f in like a month or two, whenever it comes. I have some questions about the asteroid.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:24

Ah, yeah, the three eye Atlas guy. We can talk about that for two minutes here.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:29

Uh, you're gonna have to bring it up to speed.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:30

So that's we you know what I'm talking about. It's that one that the guy remote viewed in. It's the guy that got remote viewed in too the other day. What? Yeah, there was an Instagram video of this guy talking. Oh man. I love people who say things like just so matter of fact that are absolutely insane. They're they're like my favorite people. So this guy was a bit he was doing a video about how, yeah. So the other day I uh a remote viewed onto the 3D Atlas, and uh, there's all these entities on there, and they have these uh mothership. This is it's the mothership, and they have these like all these control panels in the middle, and like he's just talking about it like it was like obvious. Like, yeah, like I love it anyway. So that's what that he was talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:14

That one, okay. I think uh Avi Loeb, the guy who talked about the last one, I think he's gonna be on maybe it's Rogan or something here really quickly. Okay. Uh and he's like a smart dude. He's gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:24

Apparently, NASA said there's a 60% chance that it doesn't uh follow the telemetry or the path that they think it's going to mean that they think that something they there's like a certain path it's on, there's a 60% chance it doesn't stick to that, which would mean that it's not following the laws of physics.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:44

Uh maybe, but there's also a bunch of gas coming out of it and creating inertia or momentum or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:50

But if it was like that's which is weird to me, because if it's like if it's an actual alien ship, like why would they be using gas? I feel like it'd be like anti-gravity or something like where you wouldn't see like emissions.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:01

And again, the simplest explanation is that it's a comet. Or an asteroid, whatever. That's not fun. I know it's not fun, but that's probably the truth.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:11

I just I just what about those three-fingered alien things? Like they got those bodies of those you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:17

Yeah, in Peru.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:18

Yeah. And they've like proven that they're like organic.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:21

Um, I think what is his name? Jesse Michaels has a YouTube uh channel that already talks about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:27

Oh, the pyramid's been freaking us out too. Oh, dude, the underground part?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:32

Yeah, apparently they're gonna I think they might like be trying to drill or like tunnel down into there. Yeah, like what does that change for?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:39

Like history, like history changes, if any of that's true. And like but it is true. The shit under the pyramid is actually there.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:46

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:47

Well, they don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:48

Well, they don't know what it is, like they know that something is there.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:51

But that like like kilometers though, which is like is not doable. Like, explain the technology in 6,000 years ago that could do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:00

It's not it's not there. I would be much more interested in instead of like people worrying about like whatever shit's going on in the states or in Israel or whatever, being like, hey, is the world, we're gonna bring the world's smartest people and we're gonna get to the bottom of this literally. That should be way more important now because we need to know, because like there's a super advanced society that just fucking disappeared off the face of the planet.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:22

I I think it all leads honestly, I think it all leads back to literally like the Prometheus movie, like alien movie. I haven't seen it. You know that. Yeah, but it's like it's essentially where we got seated, humans and humanity and life got seated on this planet by aliens, and then the aliens stuck around with some crazy technology, helped build some stuff. Maybe they came back, like, hey, how are you guys doing? Hey, we're gonna build these things. Because all of this ancient um stuff has has like references to these beings that have either like weird, weird shapes, weird forms, gigantic technology, and then like some of the some of the um uniformity of like the Egyptian artifacts does they they literally don't make sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:05

Yeah, and that's the interest. We there's so much we don't know. It's so crazy, and we're all so stubborn thinking, yeah, I know the I know the answer. I know exactly what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:12

I don't know how anyone could think that they know the answer.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:16

It's remote viewing. So I remote viewed onto that thing, and yeah, these guys were like gray, uh, they had big large eyes. What if he's right? What if they show up and they're like he's like, I fucking told you. Right. I just you guys did nothing. I find those people so fun. The people who just sit there and say, Oh, I mean, I do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:34

I was gonna say, I wonder why you like those guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:37

Hey, 100% that uh chopper that chopper flew in front of that plane on purpose. It was the government. I feel like I should, yeah. What's that guy's name? Um who almost got Alex Jones. I feel like I'd like that guy, like in real life. I'm sure he's got some interesting stories. That guy reads the FBI reports. Yeah, oh no doubt. I should guys should be able to listen to him to see what he thinks about this Charlie Kirk. Nope. I don't know if you should. I don't know. He's got it.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:03

Have you listened to any of Candace Owen stuff?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:05

No, because that bitch is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:07

She she's crazy, but she reads the FBI reports.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:10

But the problem is it's so sensational and like again, just give me the facts. What did you do? What about Megan Kelly? Where did you find it? I've never listened to Megan Kelly. I kind of like her. I don't, I don't know. I just I would. I don't have time. I'm too busy doom scrolling. All right. We solved nothing. We we've done no good whatsoever. I'm gonna go home and check out eBay. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:34

I'm gonna go check out eBay.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:36

I'm gonna post these chairs for$200. Hey, sell for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:40

Yeah, you you're welcome. Can you if you make that profit, can some of it go to our new coaches?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:44

It can all go towards the couches. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:46

Uh, if you're listening to this, please uh talk to us one day on our Instagram. I don't know if anyone even goes. I don't I don't can't even log into Twitter right now. So does anybody actually listen to this point in the podcast? Um some people make it. Hey, if you're one of those ones, can you give us a high five in the hallway next time you see us?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:04

Does it tell you how long people listen for?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:06

I've never looked. You don't look at the stats? I never looked at the lower.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:09

How long are we supposed to run a business if we don't have a lot of people?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:10

I've never looked at the stats of like how long people listen. I look at the stats, like the like how many people listen to each other.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:15

It tells you like where people drop off, I think. Like how many minutes. This is when we started talking about Charlie Kirk. I thought that was a productive conversation about conspiracy theories.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:24

I think we're on the same page. I think we I think we're on the same page. Yeah, Jim. I should do more research if I care that much. I don't care that much, but I like the sensationalism of it. You're on the same page.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:36

That's just a lot of questions, not a lot of answers. That's what it comes down to. Yeah. Okay, bye. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:44

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