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The Average Superior Podcast
This show features three nursing home attendants who have realized their brains are incomplete and their bodies are always in pain. They are peasants outside the castle walls attempting to navigate a world that feels rigged while simultaneously trying to be 1000% sure about things they know nothing about!
The Average Superior Podcast
#82 - Death and Consciousness... Merry Christmas!
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SPEAKER_00:What do you do right now?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's usually a storage room for something.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, it turns out you cannot have enough storage.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, I know. But here's the thing is you built this house and you should have like I feel like maybe the basement has a lot more storage.
SPEAKER_02:I'm your basement finished.
SPEAKER_03:It's in the process of being finished. Uh to be fair, I when I built this house, my brain was not fully finished as well. Okay. I think.
SPEAKER_01:Interesting theory.
SPEAKER_03:It wasn't that long ago, I'd like to point out. I'm pretty sure. Was it 25 or 30 years that your frontal lobe is done developing?
SPEAKER_01:Um I don't know. Or is it a spectrum? Welcome back to the Average Period Podcast. It's been a long time. I think this is 81. This is it for the year. Yeah, likely.
SPEAKER_03:No, for sure. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, this is it for the year. Uh it is currently December 21st. Correct. Huh? Correct. Shortest day of the year. Shortest day of the year.
SPEAKER_02:Google just says late, mid to late twenties. That's all I got.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was a late 20s brain competition.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think you can blame your decision on design on your prefrontal cortex.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But I didn't realize how much stuff I would have when I have more humans living in this house. Yeah. Not to mention all the stuff I generally have. Yeah. A lot of stuff. Would you guys like to take some stuff with you when you leave? No, I want to get rid of stuff in my house.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I also have too many things. Too much stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Do you play by the one thing in, one thing out rule? No. Should.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you I'm sure you do. No. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Of course not.
SPEAKER_01:But it sounds like a good idea. Uh there's a lot of great ideas out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Wow. Is this what you're bringing to the podcast tonight?
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah. Pithy statements. That's what I'm bringing. Uh I had an experience today. Uh ended up uh in a merge for about four hours. Uh but here I am. I'm alive, living another day. So yeah. Is this why you wanted to start the podcast early? No, I just wanted to start early because I need the wrap presence tonight and I didn't want to do it later. Uh yeah, I was just sitting, we were in High River at my parents, and we were sitting around and I was doing nothing, just watching show, chatting. And all of a sudden, like I started getting like uh almost like difficult to breathe. Like uh upper chest chest just felt weird, like fluttery, like just weird. Like I can't really catch a full breath. And I've had that happen before, but then I'll like check my heart rate and nothing happens. It's like nothing, it's like a quick thing, it's gone. But I sat to check my heart rate on my watch and I look and it's it jumps like 120, and it's like it's weird. I'm literally not doing anything, I'm sitting there. So I'm like, ah, it's weird. So then I look and I've got that ECG thing on my phone. Uh so I do that, and it says, you're in atrial fibrillation. And I was like, what? I was like, this is gotta be right. And then the whole time I'm feeling like um lightheaded, kind of hard to catch my breath. And so I do it again like two minutes later, and I don't tell anyone yet. And I do do it two minutes later, same thing. Uh atrial fibrillation, uh, if you're feeling lightheaded, blah blah blah, you should probably go see a doctor. Um, and so I'm like, damn. So I kind of look at my wife and I'm like, so I don't want to freak you out, uh, but I think we might need to go to a merge. Um, and then while she's like, okay, so she went and got herself, and as it happened, my heart rate jumped to 160. Um again, I literally was doing nothing, sitting on the couch. Um, and then yeah, we jumped in the car. We went to luckily we were in high river because I we were the second person in line, and then there's nobody in the ER at all. Went in. They but by that time I'm already starting to feel a bit better. Um feel a little lightheaded, kind of a bit of a headache, but nothing and weak. Like my shaking, and I had eaten that morning, so it wasn't like that. It wasn't because I hadn't eaten or anything. Uh go get their ECG done, doesn't show anything, so I'm not feeling anything there. They put the continuous monitor on. And when I first got there, my blood pressure was super high, and my heart rate was still sitting around 110. And again, nothing, not nothing going on. Uh, sat in the room for a long time, doctor came in. At that point in time, my heart rate completely came back to normal. I was like 60s, 70s, just sitting there, and then um, yeah, he's like, uh, yeah, I don't know what to tell you. Like, but should we so but he ordered so we got ordered a bunch of tests, we got a blood test done, nothing showed up in the blood tests. Uh he have an echo uh echocardiogram. That's different. No, what's that one where they actually just threw like a scan of your heart? Do you know X-ray? No. Sure. I think no, I don't know what it's called. But I anyway, I have one book coming up, I don't know when. Uh, and then they want to do like a 24-hour like take-home hospital version of the ECG. Halter monitor. Yeah, uh, which I don't think it's gonna show anything. Because like, I mean, does if it doesn't happen during that 24 hours, you don't see anything, right? So uh so yeah, so I went in around 11 and got out about three and then we came home from higher after that. So that was a good day.
SPEAKER_02:Damn.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I'm here, I'm alive.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, and now you feel fine?
SPEAKER_01:Uh I feel weird. I feel off. I I don't feel like everything's back to normal. Like all my numbers are back to normal. I just don't feel you look off. Yeah, I don't know what it is. You look tired. I am tired. Uh we got that call out the other night, and I got three hours of sleep that night, so I'm still catching up on that. Because we had to go to Calgary the next day in the morning. So Okay. Yeah, anyway, that's what happened to me today. Uh I'm so then talking to my mom and and like there there is a history of family history of like uh atrial fibrillation, like or like flat your heart flattering kind of thing in her side of the family. And the doctor basically said that uh that is not uncommon, and if it's they usually aren't super concerned about it until you're older, because it's basically an electrical issue. He's like, think about it like like plumbing like versus electricity. It's like the plumbing of the heart is like the big problem when it comes to like heart heart attacks and stuff like that, whereas like that fluttering is maybe sometimes a bit of like an electrical kind of issue, which I think is why pacemakers are eventually put in, but if it's a big problem. Um, but this is like the first time it's happened to the point where I've got some measurable data on it and went in. Can you upload your data from your watch to them? I I showed them my I showed them my ECG that I did on my watch, and I said, I get it, like it's a watch. I'm sure it's probably not super accurate. And he's like, honestly, they're not that bad. He's like, the fact that it showed it, it's kind of it was it's concerning. Like it's a good thing you saw that. Because that's for me, because like we've talked about this in the past, but I think we even when you were here, like when I've had that kind of stress anxiety stuff going on at work, it felt very much similar in terms of like chest pressure, but there was never anything showing up in like a pulse or a heart rate difference. So that's where I was like, when I started happening, I just was like, what is going on? Because I I was literally just sitting doing nothing. So so that I I was like, oh crap, it's actually measurable in my heart in my heart rate, and my um yeah, my heart was high for no reason. So that's why I was like, this is different, this isn't the same thing.
SPEAKER_03:But it's always concerning when your inside parts stop working the way they're supposed to, yeah, or feel funny.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because you don't want to get I don't want to be like hypochondriac and think everything's gonna kill me, but and that's that was kind of like I didn't say anything for a solid, like five to ten minutes while I'm sitting there trying to be like, hmm, am I dying? Am I okay? Do I need to go? Then finally I was like, I uh after jump to the that jump to 160, I was like, uh we should probably go.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, that's high. Because what's your regular resting rate? Pretty low.
SPEAKER_01:60, 70s, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not good. Anyway, I'm good now. But that's what happened to me today. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I hope you stay good. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:If not, it's been fun. Yep, thank you. Um carry this torch without me. We might struggle to replace you because we're like uh Jason is, you know, he's probably doing D D tonight. He's probably doing something fun. I'm willing to bet he's doing DD tonight, which is why he couldn't make it. But if you go also Well, you have a replacement right here. Allie's back with us. Yeah. Yeah, we could replace one of you with Allie, but we'd need another one. Yeah. Somebody who else would we use? Jeff? Jeff for sure. Would we still call it Average Superior, or we're gonna call it something different? No, you have to keep the name. You can't change the name.
SPEAKER_02:There's too many shirts. We can't change it now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you gotta keep the name. Yeah. Bro, what are you doing about these shirts? What about them? We have children's smalls. We go we give those ones away.
SPEAKER_01:No one's gonna buy those. To who? Orphans? Yeah. Yes. Maybe your kids. And maybe our uh numbers will skyrocket. Would your kids fit those? Probably. Yeah. Would would they wear them? No, but they're not children's. The ones that are super small are the are they women's, they're the women's v-neck ones. Are they v-neck? Yeah, they're like and they're shaped. Because we were shaped like a woman. We were idiots and we thought that the ladies would want ladies'. We did. We thought women like this podcast.
SPEAKER_02:We know that now, but we also like to wear just regular t-shirts.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we messed up on that order. But I didn't realize they were V-neck. They're I don't know if they're V Yeah, I think they are. They're V-neck and they're shaped. They have like a shape to them that's like supposed to fit the lady form, you know?
SPEAKER_03:Maybe we could donate those to like a ladies, like sponsor a dragon boat or some shit. I don't know. A ladies dragon boat? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Small, a small ladies dragon boat because I lost the smalls. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know if we uh I don't know what else we do with them.
SPEAKER_01:Me neither. Whatever.
SPEAKER_03:We'll sort that out in 2026. Okay. Well, I'm just saying if we do replace you, I think we should change the name.
SPEAKER_01:No, you can't. In my honor, you can't. That's a good way. We heard it here first, people. If they change the name, I'm coming back to haunt them. Okay. I would be okay with you haunting me. No, I'm not I'm not gonna be good. Like I'll I'll be like a you wouldn't like it. Have you ever seen a ghost?
SPEAKER_03:No. I don't think they're real. You don't think they're real? No. Do you think ghosts are real?
SPEAKER_02:Um I've been watching a lot of uh like medium videos lately. It's hard not to think that that shit's real with some of the videos.
SPEAKER_01:Some of them are some of them make him very compelling.
SPEAKER_02:It's yeah. There's this one guy I can't remember his name, but he does like he'll go into like uh go to a show where like there's a whole audience, and then he does like this thing where he like scribbles and then all of a sudden he'll start like saying things that very clearly will pick out whoever it is in the audience. And like he'll just start.
SPEAKER_01:But are they like so genera this is the problem I have some of those things? They they're so general that a percentage it's like it's guaranteed to hit some percentage of the audience.
SPEAKER_02:No, these ones are like so dialed in where he the one lady that I watched, she actually was like, I am gonna think of something that you would never even remotely know of. And it was like that she used to have a disorder when she was younger where she used to eat her hair, and he literally like talked about it. And he's like, You used to do something when you were younger, and then it would like kind of come to him some more, and he'd be like, It has something to do with you like eating something, and she would just kind of and like but they're not supposed to acknowledge it, like he has to work through it the whole time.
SPEAKER_01:Her eyes just getting bigger, but he's like, Yeah, and catching on.
SPEAKER_02:It literally got to the point where he was like, You were like seven or eight, and you had like this weird thing where you would like, Did you used to eat your hair? And she would be like, How the hell did you like figure that out? And he would do that for like like that's his show.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm like, That's so there's a there was a guess that's not really ghost, that's things.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yeah, it's like a mental.
SPEAKER_01:That's the thing, a medium slash, but then there's like the mentalist that was on Rogan. Did you listen to that one? Oz Oz, Oz Pro Man. Yeah, that sounds right. There's this mentalist, and he's he basically says, No, that's all BS, because I can do the same thing, and I'm telling you it's a trick. I'm telling you I can do it. And basically, I could I could explain how I'm doing it, but I'm not going to, because obviously that would ruin everything. But he and and he did some things during the podcast that were just made no sense. Like things, uh, I think one of them was like he he he figured out what uh his Rogan's pin on his debit card was.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, and had him pick, I think, his favorite fighter, but he wrote it down on a card before he got to the podcast and handed him the card in an envelope and then said at the end of the podcast we're gonna open this envelope, and then he did, and this is the one he picked.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like so then and he claims again that this is fully it's a it's not like I'm not magic, yeah. It's a it's a doable, and so like that's the hard part. Like I because again, I don't know how he does that. That makes no sense.
SPEAKER_03:But if it's not magic, I mean I I would also be pretty skeptical of the mediums. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But so so my wife also has I think she actually has a client that is that's her job as a medium. I can't remember, and she's got a business, and she like anyway, and she charges an insane amount of money. And and again, again, like very specific with like oh your dead relative said this or wants me to tell you this. And like again, it's like people fully ex like believe that it's real because it's personal and it makes sense to them, but again, is that just because they are like a mentalist and that's a like know how to read or like I don't know. I I have no idea. Is it and is it possible it's real? I pfft, I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I I struggle with believing that it's true. Do you ever watch the telepathy tapes?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like you would be into that if you're into the medium thing. It's just kids that can com hypothetically can communicate telepath telepathically with their parents. Oh, but he talked about that. He did. Yeah. And said same thing. He said these kids are just I think they're autistic kids or something like that, but they're in tune enough to their parents that they can essentially intuit, you know, the words that they their parents want them to say.
unknown:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Like their parents are alive? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're in front of them, but they're they're like non-verbal.
SPEAKER_01:They're in two different rooms basically. Oh. But they'll figure out they'll figure out uh the kids think something and the parent says it or something like that. I can't remember.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's bullshit too, and I could do that. I don't know. I don't know what to believe. Me neither.
SPEAKER_02:I totally watched that Hollywood medium show. What's his name? I can't think of his name. And he just like scribbles.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I've never seen that. I can't watch it because I I'm just like, I'm too scared. I'm like, no, it's stupid, this isn't real. That's kind of my go-to on those, but like if but if I have to like drill down to it, I don't know. I don't know if it's real. It just doesn't seem true.
SPEAKER_03:But also, you'd have to think that that there's probably things that people can perceive that not all of us can perceive. Very much so. Yeah, I think so. There has to be. Yeah, like there has to be.
SPEAKER_01:Well, like the aura thing, right? Like, and we've talked about this before, but like the aura, the fact that people can like give off almost like a person, like their personality aura, so people can like see that you're but but again, I think that's just reading body language. They're just very good and very in tune with body language, maybe. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:And and maybe we I don't know. I'm sure we can all think of people that you've come across in your life where like you don't even say anything to this person, you're immediately like, fuck this person. Yeah. Like without having actually met them yet. I hate your face. Right. Yeah. Like that would be the same as the aura in some ways, or somebody that you like Yeah, very much. The the flip feeling that, right? Like somebody like, oh, I'm gonna like this person, like I haven't even met them yet, right?
SPEAKER_01:And I know we talk about every podcast, but like cult leaders, you know what I mean? But like seriously, like there's gotta be something that draws people into them. And uh, and again, I don't think it's anything, it could just be a feeling people get when they're around them, right? They feel they feel something, they're like, ah, I I want to listen to this person, or I don't know. Yeah, no, I think there's a lot of I think there's something definitely to the ability to sense things that we can't put our finger on, or even body body like language are cues that you see somebody like ah that person's a like that person's dangerous, or that person's you know, and you just like pick up cues. You can't even you couldn't in the moment tell you tell anybody specifically what it is about that person, but you're getting this feeling of that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I wish I was better at reading body language purposely. Like uh I think you can get better at that. Yeah, but you know what consciously, because I think everybody does it, but like consciously you look at like body language and be like, oh like Ali's really uncomfortable right now. Like I usually cold.
SPEAKER_01:I usually just skip that stage of like trying. I think it's important. I think uh it's uh it actually might even be in that book, The 48 Laws of Power, or something similar where it's like it's hugely important, and and a lot of I think uh famous books about being successful is part of that. It's knowing how to essentially read the people around you and use that against them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but again, to that point, I mean there's people that are better at reading body language, and then I'm sure there's people that are better at reading the aura or whatever non-verbal, non-perceptible thing is going on.
SPEAKER_01:Like I I there has to be. But I there there has to be for sure. There's like there's some innate differences, likely, but I also think that you have to want to you have to want to care about that, if that makes sense. You have you have to want to do that. Because if because the the way we're so distracted these days that with like our our own lives and our phones and everything, like it's less like it's less and less that you're paying attention to what's going on around you. And so it's it takes intentionality to like walk into a room, I think, and start looking around and observing like what is going on in this room, like what's the relationships between these people and what's up, you know what I mean? And I think that's I think that's a huge advantage if you made yourself do that a lot.
SPEAKER_03:It's like that I can't remember the guy's name, but he I want to say he was on Rogan and he was talking about remote viewing or something, which I realize it was like a really like bad rap.
SPEAKER_01:But I think that's the same, I think that's the uh in the same plane as mediums and these things, like remote viewers. I would put them in the same kind of category as those.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, for sure. And one of the things I remember him saying, probably the only thing I remember him saying was like if you want to do it or to start doing it, you have to stop trying to do it. Which which I was like, that doesn't help in anybody. No. Like how the f what do you mean?
SPEAKER_01:What does this mean? Yeah, you think you'd need to like stop trying to learn some techniques. Yeah. I understand the stop trying. I think I under like I understand that a little bit, because I think but I I think you can only stop trying after you develop some skills to to potentially do it. Do you know what I mean? Like, so if you I think, for example, if you take like the f it's the idea of the flow state, right? Yeah. Because if you take anyone who's really, really good at something and they've trained all their lives to do something, but in the moment of like a competition or something important, if they're trying, if they're like focusing on trying, they're not gonna do well. If they just allow their body to do what it knows how to do naturally, they're likely just gonna end up in this like flow state idea and they're gonna perform really well because their body already innately knows how to respond to what's in front of them because they've seen the cues the whole so many times, but if they're thinking about it, they might not. See the cue because they're too too focused on something else. But again, I think that requires some initial like training or something.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and maybe he was talking about meditation or something. It kind of to me kind of almost feels like the transcendental meditation or whatever it is. Like you have to you kind of have to know a little bit of what you're doing before you can just stop trying to do the thing, but yeah, that would make more sense to me.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I don't know. Freaking let's just finish the uh on the way here. I just finished that Masters P something Masters podcast, the Brad New Rogan one about aliens.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yes.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:With his story about the aliens implanting memories in his brain. I again skeptical face. You know, I can't remember if we've talked about this with your. I know we talk about it a lot, but uh reading her body language, I don't think she thinks aliens are real.
SPEAKER_03:You don't think aliens are real?
SPEAKER_02:Um space freaks me out. Okay. Um I don't know if I necessarily believe in like the typical old school movie aliens, but I believe that there's like other life out there, given how large our do you think space it's possible that aliens seeded humanity? No.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Where did humans come from?
SPEAKER_02:That is the question.
SPEAKER_01:Um you think aliens created humans? I'm leaning that way a lot more these days.
SPEAKER_02:So they're they're all clearly watching us.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know about created. Okay, I don't know about created, but the more I see and the more that comes out about like ancient things that we know nothing about and have no literal, no explanation as to how something could be so technologically advanced in an age where we assumed they were rubbing sticks together and making fire. Like when you find like Egypt's obviously crazy, but like you find like the precision um whatever jars that are like within millimeter specs that we couldn't make basically today with lasers, and there's no chisel chisel marks, there's nothing, and they're like perfect, and that's just a tiny example. But there's like um in India, there's a temple that somehow was chiseled basically out of this gigantic rock like mountain from the top down, per it's like absolutely perfect. There's they have no idea how it was done because there's no tool marks. Uh you should you gotta see a picture of it. It's absolutely like so. There's like there's so many things around the world that are like that that we with the current technology and tools we have today, it would be hard to make. And then you're like, how?
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, I can see how your man would go aliens.
SPEAKER_01:Well well, like what else? Like, I don't know. Like, I got there, like I don't have a clue, but like the the more that I see that kind of stuff, it just freaks me out a little bit. And I'm like, because I just it just and no, it's not it doesn't freak me out. I get anxious because I'm like, Well we will never they it bothers me that we'll never know. And and like if they allow and this the other thing that drives me crazy is when they won't like allow people to like f further unlo on like cover things or on try to like look into it. So the Egypt, the idea that Egypt right now under the Great Pyramid, there's these gigantic columns that go kilometers down into the earth that they just figured discovered bit with uh radar, uh like uh some sort of ground penetrating radar. But like they're likely never gonna get the okay to go see if it's even there or what's going on. But it's like why wouldn't you?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah, like that is the most important question.
SPEAKER_01:I think so.
SPEAKER_03:Ah, anyway. It it bugs me when you get written off, or people that say, you know, humanity's only been around for 4,000 years, 5,000 years, or society or civilization, when you're like well, I think that that's probably closer to like 200,000 years.
SPEAKER_01:Who knows? Like that's the thing is literally who knows because all it would take is a meteor right now, in 2025, if a meteor impact hit hard enough to basically kill almost everybody, except for maybe a tiny portion of the like society, like maybe a couple hundred people, we would and then you you extrapolate five thousand years, what does it look like? Like, first of all, what's still left? Probably nothing, because most of our materials would just be gone, like all the houses, all the infrastructure, everything's gonna be likely gone and almost no trace of it. Um, and then what do humans look like? What do they think? What do they believe? What technology have they figured out to develop now? Like it just it literally could be a in like very insanely different looking humanity than it was now. And like in like a short period of time, too. Yeah, in like five to ten thousand years, and on the scale of like time, that's nothing.
SPEAKER_03:I want to know how many times we've hit the reset button. That's what I want to know.
SPEAKER_01:And that it's I think again, it's unknowable, which it makes me annoyable.
SPEAKER_03:But could you imagine they come and they're like, you know, the aliens that seated us, whatever that is, they come and they say, You guys are attempt number 23.
unknown:Be like, fuck.
SPEAKER_01:Experiment TV4 failed us. Go watch, uh, I don't know if you have sci-fi, you like sci-fi movies or not really? No. Can you watch one for me? Sure. Okay. Uh it's called Alien Prometheus. And it that it's it's essentially that. So it's like it's about just like watch it. But but like basically it's the idea they go on this planet, and I won't read it for you, but in the end, it's kind of like, oh, it's just a crazy idea. And like now that I look at it, I'm like, maybe that's not so crazy. Maybe that's uh what's going on.
SPEAKER_03:Well, the idea that uh we've been what is the term uplift? Like they something came and seated us or accelerated our evolution outside of everything else. Because I mean it is a little bit weird that everything else just kind of just lives and doesn't really do anything, and we are completely different.
SPEAKER_01:But not but not only that, every every ancient civilization that we have found remnants of all talk about the almost the exact same things that they're and there's always depictions of these like crazy giant things that showed up and they're like they're giving like hieroglyphs and they're like passing something, like giving something to the people. And you're like, what so again maybe they didn't like see the people or make the people, but maybe they're here's some technology to allow you to advance civilization, and like every single it doesn't matter if it's on in South America or over in Africa, there's like there's always remnants of very similar origin stories as far as like something came, gave us something, we had a big explosion of advancement in technology and intelligence and all these things, and then they went away.
SPEAKER_02:Do you think they're still here? Do you think they hang out and watch us disguised as something?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:I I would think so.
SPEAKER_03:I think you could do that from afar. Yeah. I mean, but also this would be the world's most attractive amusement, the universe's most attractive amusement park, if you could. Yeah. Could you imagine being like, hey, we got all these apes, and they just build shit and then fuck. Do you guys want to go watch them? And kill each other. And kill each other. And they think they're important. Yeah. And their drama is so ridiculous. It would it like if they could, I I'm sure making some huge leaps about what these people, what these aliens would be into, like you'd be like, this would be super entertaining to watch us.
SPEAKER_02:And then they just film it and take it back to their planet, and it's a good idea. Maybe we're saying we're just a reality TV show.
SPEAKER_01:Or or this is a simulation, and we're literally a Sims game.
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, maybe we aren't even real.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and like I I thought that I chose to get in my car today, but someone pushed the button. Like, hey, he's gonna get in his car and go do that podcast that they started. Uh, and then I drove here, and my P bar is going up, and then they're gonna have to make me, oh, you need to go to the bathroom now, push a button. Do the Sims. Yeah, like you you really gotta go like pull over.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I don't know. I the whole thing's insane, but I I just feel like it's uh I find it I like almost I get if I think about it too much, I get a bit anxious about it. Because it not not because I am worried, I just it's like I want to know, and I just I know that I never will.
SPEAKER_03:And that is a huge letdown.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's my brain every day. This this seems like a good time to tell you. I might have told you this. Uh uh. Uh I I think I saw a UFO. Okay, here we go. Here we go. So I'll be super clear.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, but can I also be honest? Because I think you want to see a UFO. For sure.
SPEAKER_03:No, for sure I do. But I also including my wife. Oh wow. Yeah. Um, so we were buying that Christmas tree. And I was standing at Costco and and or excuse me, uh Canadian tire. And when I say UFO, like I'm not saying alien, I'm just saying we don't know what it was. Um big, bright, not big, but like bright yellowish white light in the sky moves really fast away from us, then hangs like a hard left 90 and moves really fast off into the horizon out of sight. Definitely not a drone, definitely not an airplane.
SPEAKER_02:Like in the middle of the day? No, at night. Oh.
SPEAKER_01:Like seven, six to six o'clock at night. How so small because it's really, really far away, or small because you think it's small? Unknown.
SPEAKER_03:But it made it like a 90-degree turn, and it definitely wasn't a drone, and definitely wasn't an airplane.
SPEAKER_01:And like how far, like you said, a streaked across, like how far are we thinking?
SPEAKER_03:Um, so you know Canadian tire. Yeah. So if you look across what is that, 24 Ave. Yep. Over those apartments, those on the way, kind of like like 20th Ave area, that was kind of the direction I was looking. So it goes that way and then hangs a left turn and out of sight. Okay. And it was it was weird enough that me, my wife, and the Christmas tree guy were like, the fuck was that?
SPEAKER_01:That's cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That was weird. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Aliens are real. Maybe. It was my first one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. This was it would have been a few years ago. I took my, it was after I think it was after I had worked all night and I was taking my dogs for a walk, so it was super dark out still. And there was like, I Googled it later to see what it was, but it turns out that there was like a cluster of satellites in like a line. Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Starlink, Starlink does that all.
SPEAKER_02:It was like, but I was exhausted because I'm on like just coming off a night shift, and I'm standing there and I'm like, what is happening? And I literally remember like running inside to see if Eric was awake, and then by the time I came out, they were gone. And then I ended up Googling it later and turns out just science.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I sit in our hot tub uh and look up at night, you can see satellites like it's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:But it was like 50 of them. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So when they launch them and they release them from the ship, they start basically stacked and then they slowly pace out and then they end up in their orbits that they're supposed to end up in somehow. I don't know how. But they do start like that. They start close, and then so they start circling the globe like in a line, like dots.
SPEAKER_02:It was really cool. Yeah. That was probably the only time where I was like, is this it?
SPEAKER_03:That would be legit, though, after a night shot.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't know what that was to be like what they're coming. I was uh I was tripping out.
SPEAKER_03:Do you know what would be both terrifying and unbelievable to see at the same time? I'd love to know. Is like a dinosaur-sized asteroid entering the atmosphere. No. Could you imagine?
SPEAKER_01:Like just sitting, looking up and being like I don't fully understand the implications. Because like, again, if it hits the ocean, okay, um, I understand that it's gonna create giant tidal waves.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, relating to like tsunamis.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so like any coastal thing screwed. But like, why are we not okay?
SPEAKER_03:So there's actually a fantastic Radio Lab episode about this.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, if you take a glass of water and you drop a pebble in the water, you know how uh the water shoots back up? Right. So that same thing would happen with the asteroid and all the material from the asteroid and the water and stuff like that, and it would enter the atmosphere and then slowly like diffuse out over the planet and like rain down hot like death on the volcanic.
SPEAKER_01:Um, and then that could create a volcanic winter if anything that doesn't kill you from like directly would create a basically block the sun out.
SPEAKER_03:I think that in this episode of Radiolab, they said it would cause the temperature of the surface of the earth to rise to something like three to nine hundred degrees Fahrenheit.
SPEAKER_01:What? The whole but the whole thing? Yeah, how because like it lands in science. Uh what's that place you guys? Mauritia. If it lands in Mauritius, Mauritius, Mauritius, which is like whatever. Marissa's bedroom. Marissa's. It lands on Marissa. Uh it lands in Mauritius, which is like literally across the globe from us. How is it first of all, is assuming it's not flat Earth? It's not. Okay. Just assuming. Uh that looks this is why we need to do video podcasts right there. Assuming it's around Earth. Um how is it gonna kill me? How is it gonna get 900 degrees everywhere? I guess ozone.
SPEAKER_03:Because of the Yeah, well then just think, it's not so this falls back over the course of days. Okay. Hot molten rockets. Slowly. The planet still spins. Yeah. And there's like air that moves around in the sky. Yeah, air. So I think it would I think it would spread out pretty naturally. Okay, underground bunkers.
SPEAKER_02:Sure, for a while. A dinosaur-sized rock. I don't know if that would save you. Well, like, um do we have plants that we can grow in there?
SPEAKER_01:What's the name of the Apple TV with the crazy silo? Like silos, like bunkers. I never watched that.
SPEAKER_03:It's actually pretty good. I started reading the book and then stopped because you like it? Yeah. Uh yeah, I've watched all the seasons so far. Okay. Good. I'm just saying, if you're sitting in your hot tub and you could just picture a giant asteroid entering the atmosphere, that would be the coolest and most terrifying thing to see at the same time. Are you just like, well, we'd have to be able to do that. But like, so you're in your hot tub, it's coming. Do you go get your family? Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Like, but you don't know how long it's going to be.
SPEAKER_02:Like it's coming towards you and you know you're gonna die? Well, you can go.
SPEAKER_01:But you have no idea to you, you would never be able to like pinpoint it's going coming at me. I think if you can see it, it's coming at you. No, I don't think so. I think you you would have no idea where it's gonna land.
SPEAKER_03:I think no, I'd like I'm quite confident. If you can see it, you are fucked. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_01:Well, uh, yeah, you are. Everyone is, but like I don't think that means it's landing near you. I don't know. I haven't like you see you see that science. I don't think it means it's landing near you. I think it I think a lot of people like so if it was gonna if it was like near North America, like I think most North Americans would see if it was coming in this direction.
SPEAKER_03:No. Like you gotta think. If you look at the horizon that you can see. I'm wondering if that was a stupid thing to say.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, but I don't think it is. Like I no, because we all probably yeah, that probably wasn't as good as it's a good one. Yeah, because we all look up and we can see the frickin' moon, and we all see the moon.
SPEAKER_02:Well, not all of us, just half of us.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I'm saying, like in the general if the earth is round. Yeah, if the earth back to if the earth is round, we all see the moon, right? And like so, if it's night, we're seeing the moon. Because it's really far away. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:As it gets closer, less people would see it as it gets closer to its destination.
SPEAKER_01:True, true.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I okay, so I again I still think if you continue to see it, you're extra fucked.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, you go get your family, you loser. And you're like, all right, this is it. Everyone hope.
SPEAKER_02:Come check it out, we're about to die.
SPEAKER_01:What do you guys want to do for the last 10 years? And that's just my point though.
SPEAKER_03:Like, do would you would you want to do that to your family? Like, especially.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so you're saying you wouldn't just you just like try to pretend like nothing's going on?
SPEAKER_03:No, but it might be like a little sidebar with your like the adults.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so let's try to dig a hole really, really deep in the ground all of a sudden for no reason. Go. I don't want to think about this. This is making me sad.
SPEAKER_02:There was another time on a night shift where what are is it a meteor? That go by. I don't know what you saw. Um, and it lit up like it came out of nowhere and then like completely lit up the sky in like the middle of the night, and all of us were like, What just happened? It was also really cool. Um and then I was like, but do we need to be worried? That one's gonna now hit us.
SPEAKER_01:Most of the like I I don't know the number is, but like apparently happens all the time, but the like they all burn up in the atmosphere.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, every now and then some of them like the was it the Tongousta air blast in like the 1900s, yeah, destroyed like thousands of acres of forests. It was pretty big, I think. It was pretty big, and that one it still exploded before it got to the ground. Uh but fun fact, if you see a meteor, because I've also like been driving to work and been like, holy shit, that was super bright.
SPEAKER_02:Like all of a sudden it's daytime for two seconds.
SPEAKER_03:You can go online and like report seeing a meteor and whatever government NASA contact you. But then you can see other people that saw the same thing, so you're like, oh, I'm not crazy. Because that's your first thing is you think you're crazy, usually.
SPEAKER_01:Just aliens playing crackers. Scientists estimate that tens of millions of meteors burn up in the Earth's atmosphere every single day. I was gonna I was gonna go like a hundred. Every single million? Every single day. Wow. About twenty-five million meter meteoroids per day enter Earth's atmosphere.
SPEAKER_03:What what is the difference between a meteoroid and a meteorite?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. Most are tiny, sand-grained to pebble sized. Oh, that doesn't count. Well, there are things flying through space. Roughly 40,000 to 100 What? That's not exactly 40,000 to 100,000 metric tons of space dust and small meteoroids fall into Earth's atmosphere each year.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry, say that number again?
SPEAKER_01:Forty to one hundred thousand metric tons. That averages to one hundred tons per day.
SPEAKER_04:Interesting. I have so many questions about existing. Yeah, and and again, we just never gotta know.
SPEAKER_02:Is it you that's uh went through a phase of being obsessed with death?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Still? No, actually. Uh yeah, I gotta finish. Stop looking at my calendar.
SPEAKER_01:Every time death comes up, I look over at your your life calendar. It hasn't been filled in.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like a lot of these things are seasonal and it will probably come back again.
SPEAKER_02:Death is a very weird concept.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, especially when you start thinking about it.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Jeff, if you're listening, you can turn it off right now because Does Jeff not like to think about it? We were talking about this the other day and it was freaking him out recently. Death? Yeah. So he's in the death phase. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I think he maybe partook of some substance that he got a little freaked out about.
SPEAKER_03:Are you in a death phase right now?
SPEAKER_02:Uh no. Are you going to one? No, I don't think so. I could see how you would if there was somebody who like recently passed away and kind of like spiraled that way. But I wouldn't say I'm obsessed with death. I'm not. It is weird though. Yeah, I wonder what happens and the fact that you never know when it's coming.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that one I don't like to think about. There's parts of it that I like to think about, but the part where you're like, like my time, my time literally could be when you guys leave. Yeah.
unknown:I don't want to go.
SPEAKER_03:I don't want to go.
SPEAKER_02:I don't want to go. I just told Eric that I don't want to be buried. That's it.
SPEAKER_03:You don't want to be buried? No, I think you cross me out. Like cremate me. Whoa, no, no, no, no. Time out. He thinks that he thinks you're gonna feel it somehow. I think that you're gonna remove your chance to rejoin the um universal consciousness if you get cremated. Why would that change anything? I don't know, science. What's the difference?
SPEAKER_01:The science of burning your consciousness.
SPEAKER_03:Just like dude. I have no idea.
SPEAKER_02:The thought of being put in a box and buried and letting like bugs eat my body grosses me out.
SPEAKER_03:Don't you want to rejoin the planet? The thing that gave you all your like.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I'm rejoining if he cremates me and goes and spreads my ashes wherever I'm still rejoining the planet.
SPEAKER_01:But you're not biological material at that point.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_03:Well.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you I guess you're still carbon. Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_02:Um, I also have cremation.
SPEAKER_01:I'm also on the cremation side, but like I'm also kind of been thinking recently, like, why? Maybe don't mean like just the whole. You know what I want, actually? Uh I know you haven't. I know you haven't seen this movie yet. Uh, and you'll probably never watch it because you're an idiot. But have you seen Braveheart?
unknown:I have not.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. I'm so sorry. Oh my god. My boss would love this because every single day he comes in and quotes movies and goes, Have you seen that movie? And I'm like, no. And he's just, it's just a disappointment. Okay, for everyone else listening.
SPEAKER_01:People listening who have seen the movie, because it's one of the best of all time. Uh, there's a portion where this lady dies and they basically cover her in like a cloth and then they bury her, like like it just without a box. I'm like, I like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that I don't I don't want to be buried in a coffin. I want to be buried in like a frickin' mushroom.
SPEAKER_01:You want to you want to grow mushrooms on your body.
SPEAKER_02:Like you want us to just dig a hole and throw your body in it?
SPEAKER_01:But like at one foot deep so that the mushrooms can grow and come out of his body.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, no. I don't want to get dug up by a coyote. That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_01:No, but like we'll put a box in the corner of the room. That would smell. But it'd put dirt on you. What do you mean, would it? Put dirt on you in the grove.
SPEAKER_03:I want to be buried like in like a grove of trees with like nice butterflies and grass. But nowhere around here. Got it. But you're like a scene out of that's where I want to be buried. Okay, Montana or the mountains. Yeah. I don't know. Either way, I am just fascinated by this idea lately that um what is it? Like consciousness is fundamental. Fundamental? Fundamental in that, like uh like the idea, I guess that would be right now the common first uh idea is that life gives rise to consciousness. Right. But the opposite could be that consciousness consciousness gives rise to life, which I think would be really interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, but and I I'm not I'm not saying I think you're wrong in any way. I just don't fully understand the idea there because you're you're born. By the way, sorry, can we rewind to the beginning of this podcast? Congratulations on your new child. Oh yeah. This is the first podcast we've had since then. Uh super excited for you. Thank you. I'm happy as a boy. Yeah. Because now you have one of each, and you can quit. And you can quit. Nope. You should quit. You should quit. Two is awesome. Good for you. Uh it's easy to manage. Don't do three. Anyway. Uh actually don't do five. You do what you want. Definitely don't do five. Um, so anyway, you had a baby. Uh baby uh comes out of a mom. I'm assuming consciousness forms somewhere in that process of being sperm and egg joining to popping out a mom. So before that though, where so where do you think like how would consciousness be exist prior to that process?
SPEAKER_03:I don't have the words to discuss this in like any real good way. But people much smarter than me sometimes talk about it and I like to listen and take it in. I I just think that again, we we always like human beings always think they have the answers to everything.
SPEAKER_01:Um we do. I think that we want to find the answers.
SPEAKER_03:But generally, we always like when we figure something out, we're like, oh okay, yeah, that's how it is until we're proven wrong. And it's the idea that you know you have to be alive to therefore have consciousness. Uh I I just think like the idea that consciousness is fundamental to the universe, not life, and that like, you know, the consciousness gives rise to life, which is more of like a universal consciousness.
SPEAKER_01:Sure, and I just I struggle, I just don't see how that's possible. Like I and I and I think it depends on what we determine what we define life as because and what we define consciousness as, because trees, like they've shown they've had experiments to show that trees communicate, right? They communicate to each other through um whatever they that something's coming or there's a danger or something.
SPEAKER_03:Which that one's real trippy when you start to think about it. Right.
SPEAKER_01:It reminds me of um Lord of the Rings, where like the the ants march in trees. Anyway, um so there's got to be some sort of unmissed, like thing, something we don't understand in terms of consciousness or at least communication, like in terms of chemical communic chemical messengers that they can communicate with or whatever. But I don't know, but again, I don't know if that would exist prior to a tree now being um growing and putting its roots down and then having an ability to like be alive.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean maybe the only better way I could explain it is there was a guy, can't remember his name, but he was on the Lex Friedman podcast, and he was talking about panpsychism, which is the same thing, the idea of universal consciousness. And it's basically just like this underlying layer of universal consciousness, and then as like as people or things pop up out of that layer, it's that individualism, and then when you die, which is why I don't want to be cremated, you just kind of filter back into the universal consciousness.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so then like from a universal consciousness standpoint, though, there's no individualism, so there'd be no feeling of like you. Correct. So then presume. Make it some big leaps here, but 100%. We don't know what we're talking about. But my presumption my presumption would that be that if there's no feeling of me um as a person, then but my consciousness somehow survives in that soup, consciousness soup that's around everywhere, that there'd be no distinction at all that I'm aware that I had a life or that true, but then also how do you explain people that you know the stories of like kids that are born and have like acute memories of lives that weren't theirs that are like super accurate?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know, dude.
unknown:I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Because yeah, like presumably you'd you rejoin the universal consciousness, you have no sense of self anymore. But I don't know. That's the whole thing about death, is like all it all stops mattering individually, but maybe maybe just it's not the off switch. That'd be kind of neat.
SPEAKER_01:Right, but we but we say it, we say you okay. I get what you're saying that it would be neat that it wasn't the end, but I don't think there would be any perception that it was ever that you were ever anything but uh first of all, uh I'm using words that are describing me, like a me thinking about something, but that that wouldn't be a thing. You know what I mean? So I don't think it matters. So I think the idea that it's either like you you're gone and there's nothing, and it's just like but that one's hard for me to fathom. Sure, but I don't think it's different. This is what I'm trying to say is I don't think it's different from like uh our brain, our ability to perceive things, then being introduced to this universal consciousness, because there's no you.
SPEAKER_03:Right, but at least my brain cannot perceive the idea of actually nothing. Like nobody can.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but you like but you also can't perceive the idea of like being being in a universal consciousness and there's no you, and there's no I can I can I have an idea of what that might be like. No, you you don't. You you can't, because I don't think because we're you view it from like a selfish, I don't want to be nothing, so I'm gonna be something, but that's something you'll have no perception of anything that previously to that.
SPEAKER_03:Selfish would be a good way to describe how I feel about death.
SPEAKER_01:Right, and that's but I think that's I think that's most people's feelings about it, and I think that's why it gave rise to uh thousands of religions, right? Because again, it's just the idea that like we want there to be something after this, because that's better to think, it's easier to feel that way, or easier easier to to swallow the finiteness of our lives if there's something else. Right? And that's and that's why that's why it's comforting, that's why it's comforting. That's why religions are comforting in that way, and I understand that. Um but like there's no proof of that. Like, I I I don't I don't know. I don't for sure, maybe that is the thing, but I don't know. But but I but I I am skeptical based on the fact that it is comforting, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, it's convenient, yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Which makes me think it's a it's a man-made concept because of that fact, because it's it's uh it'd be sucked as your your uh primate or Neanderthal sitting around thinking, I saw my bro die today by a saber-toothed tiger. I wonder what happens after that. I hope it's nothing. Hmm, I wonder if there's a and I was like, you know what, maybe there is something. Let's go with that.
SPEAKER_03:It's easier. Yeah, no, for sure. But also like part of the reason I'm fairly convinced of this is just the idea of like for some reason we are part of the universe experiencing itself. Which just makes no fucking sense to me. But that is that is true. Like there is I think there's no debating that. What do you mean? Well, like as whatever molecules and things and atoms that have all been assembled into JB, you are the universe experiencing itself. I am the universe.
SPEAKER_01:I am the universe experiencing myself or itself.
SPEAKER_02:You guys have thought about this way more than I have.
SPEAKER_01:I think we'll see. You just want to be creamy then. That's it. Uh yeah, and I'm I think I'm on board with you. I don't know. I don't care. Actually, I don't care. I don't care.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like you're stressing yourself out. This is what this is like my alone time, is what I see.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But like, hey, but but it doesn't freak you out. I don't think it's healthy if it's something that actually like like so Jeff and I were talking, and I was thinking I was terrifying him because I was like, oh, but what what about it? What what about this freaks you out? And then we start talking more about it. I was like, wait, are you getting for more freaked out? I was like, yeah, kinda. Like, okay, we'll stop. But like for me, I like thinking about it, and I and I mean in the process of me thinking and like speculating and all those things, I'm not like it doesn't stress me.
SPEAKER_03:No, I I don't I think you can have some emotional response to it somewhat, but also I would rather think about that than just ignore it, maybe.
SPEAKER_01:But again, it's sure, and I I'm with you because I like thinking about it, but but there's nothing you can do. Two things. There's nothing you can do about it to actually figure out what's gonna happen. True. And two, until you die. Nothing you can do about it to stop that from happening. Also true. So like you'll never figure it out, and you can't stop it from happening.
SPEAKER_03:But that's like that's the cool part of this. That like that's the part that makes me excited, is like we at least get the chance to like think about it. Sure. Which is fucking I know it sounds bizarre, but we just get a chance to like just sit there and be like, okay, like I'm gonna try and like put the pieces together.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I'm with you. I like thinking about it.
SPEAKER_03:The problem is I didn't get the right brain for it. Like whoever signed my consciousness to me was like, you can have like a okay one, like not a great one, just kind of like okay one. Ah, mediocre. Here we go. You can have like a 75%.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but but but my argument to that would be that I don't care who you be the smartest person on earth, and you still can't you will never figure it out, and you can't stop it. It those two variables have not changed. It doesn't matter if you understand quantum mechanics and physics and all these things, and oh well, actually, I think we're part of the consciousness. Cool. But again, it's just a theory. And the uh at the end of the day, whether you're the brightest person on earth who understands, or I guess theoretically understands, because there's because you but you're never you don't know. There's no knowing, which is like the hard part, right?
SPEAKER_03:That's why not to take this a bit of a left term, but that's why I find language super interesting. Um, and that's what I appreciate about appreciate about your husband is he's very articulate and well spoken. Very smart. Better you are at like using words, right, the better you are at talking about these things. Yeah. Which which I think is interesting, right? Because like I don't feel like I do a good job of it despite being able to use the English language, but those smart people just have like the tools, more tools than we do, to at least attempt to talk about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and uh for sure. I just I still think it comes down to they can use fancier words and they still don't have the answer.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, oh no, I completely agree. And that's where it's like, okay. But do you think after maybe then after you die, if you are right, you just get to have that like moment of like I fucking knew it.
SPEAKER_01:No, you don't. I don't think you do. I don't think you got it. Yeah, you got nothing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So you just think your opinion on or has your outlook on death changed as becoming apparent?
SPEAKER_03:Uh or is this just like a self- My outlook on death as it relates to me being part of this whatever we're doing here has changed. My outlook on death as like the like the macro ideas that I have about it has not. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like basically whatever legacy I leave behind or how that is experienced by the people that care about me has changed. I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and like you want to be in your children's lives.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So like that's and that's the part that um somebody it was it was John Wick. It was uh the actor, Kanner Reeves. Somebody asked him about death and or what does he think, or what does he believe? And I think he basically just said something like, I believe that uh the people who love me will miss me.
SPEAKER_02:Simple.
SPEAKER_01:And like they're trying to drag out of him like whether he what do you think something happens after death or whatever, and he just that's what he left it at. I like that. Yeah, because like in the end, that's all that's all you know, right? Um, and the rest of it is all speculation.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, and it's also scary sometimes for me to think about that within two generations nobody will remember.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say, and at some point you are going to be forgotten about for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, 100%. And regardless, unless you're freaking Genghis Khan, yeah, you will be forgotten about, and even he will be forgotten about at some point.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But but yeah, but why does it matter? Um because in the end, again, you're not here to care. You're not.
SPEAKER_03:You're not. Um I I think it matters insofar as like the statement of you know, like those who love me will miss me. Yeah. That applies for a short duration of time, and then it stops.
SPEAKER_01:It applies, I think it applies directly to your so like for you, your for me, our fam, our direct families. But again, yeah, that generation goes. Um and if and again, it depends on when you die. If I go before my kids have kids, then that's less of a time that someone's gonna remember or care, right? But if they have kids, I am happy I'm lucky enough to be around for that, uh, for a decent period of life their lives, then it's like, okay, that next generation will remember at least, right? But again, I don't know why we care. Like, I I under I I get like from an emotional perspective, we're like, Yeah, but I want to be remembered. But like in the end, once you're gone, you I don't think you're gonna have the capacity. There's not gonna be an ability to care. Yeah, it won't matter. So it won't matter.
SPEAKER_02:I'm so screwed. There's gonna be like a couple years of people missing me, and that's about it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, Eric Eric okay. We're gonna uh I don't want to say like we're gonna miss you. Like I'm she's a lot younger than us. We're likely to go first.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, who knows though?
SPEAKER_03:But it's just like the idea that what you could you should be, and you could be like a wonderful person whose family loves them and you take care of your family and you should be loved and missed. Or you can be a complete dick, and in 200 years, it's not gonna matter for either way. No, it doesn't no it doesn't, but it lets you and so you're the like the only reason it has meaning is because you assign meaning to that. Well that's everything. Right.
SPEAKER_01:The only thing that's I agree with you, but that's literally everything. The only the only reason anything has meaning is because we prescribe we give it meaning uh uh in and of itself. I mean, what does anything mean?
SPEAKER_03:You started this by coming here telling us you were having a heart attack.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie, like I I I mean I it wasn't it didn't scare me. Like like uh I was I was concerned, I was like, what's going on, but I wasn't like um and even if I was like, is this something big or not? Like I didn't I wasn't thinking like if this is it. It's like I'm not gonna die touch. Well no, but I I what am I trying to say? If like you knew the Grim Reaper wasn't coming for you. Um I I believe that that was true, but also if it was, I there was no I wasn't like freaked out about it.
unknown:What?
SPEAKER_02:You're at peace with your potential death.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm I'm I'm I'm not. I don't want I like I I yeah it's weird. I don't want to tell you, like I I'm I'm not, but there's also I guess I'm at like the like throw your hands in the air kind of thing, like what am I gonna do about it, right? If it happened, if it's my time, it's my time. Yeah, when you get when you start thinking about it, you get emotional because you like you don't want it's the not being in people's lives, like the the fo it's the FOMO, to be honest, right? Of missing things that you never want to miss. And again, we don't know if if it's ever gonna when it's gonna happen. So there's like there's so many things on Instagram where talking about like you'll never know when it's gonna be your last of something, right? So you'll never know, like, whatever. You pick pick something. You never know what's gonna be the last time uh that your daughter comes to you and asks you to read her at night before bed, right? Maybe that was maybe she's five and she's like, This is the the next day, she's like, you know what, I'm old enough now, I don't wanna I'm good, I'm gonna read myself. And you're like, oh and that then you didn't realize that the night before was the night that that was the last time, right? So there's like but then that's just life. You're never gonna know those things. Um and I just I it's the it's we've talked about like living in the moment or at least appreciating the moments in life, and I think it's hard to um when we're busy and we're things are just happening. Um but I think as long as you're as long as you can snap yourself into some sort of awareness at least every once in a while throughout the week where you're like I need to not give a shit about that and I need to appreciate whatever sitting here and with my kid, like like doing nothing, but we're sitting here together, right? Like, I don't know. It it's I actually wrote this down the other day because I was I was talking thinking about the idea of like um living in the moment, and it's funny because there's um the I think the idea of what we do, so for example, like uh how you've uh structured your life recently with forcing yourself to get up in the morning, going to the gym consistently, uh eat eating healthy, all these things. The idea behind that is like uh I wrote it down, it was some somebody something I watched, and his thing is it's two words prioritize later. So what he means is like you're prioritizing later in life, things that are going to come later because of giving something up now. Um so doing getting up in the morning when you would rather sleep in and you'd feel like you feel like sleeping in, but giving that up to prioritize your health in a year like the future, yeah. And so that's one way to do it, and we all Do that a certain thing. I don't feel like working out. And it's discipline. And we talk about it. We you you want that discipline. But on the other s spectrum is the idea of like this hedonistic or like living living in so it's there's two things. There's like a hedonistic, I'm just gonna do what makes me happy now because I don't know if driving home tonight I'm gonna get smashed by a semi, right? So if I don't do what I want right now in the moment and and take advantage of that and eat what I want and drink what I want, and that I I gave that up for what? There was no later, right? And so there's like a weird competing thing in in humans' lives where it's like I think you have to have some sort of ability to balance both, but we're never good at balance. So if you're prioritizing later and you're giving up the something you're you're leaving early in the morning, maybe because you leave in the morning, you don't uh help your kids get to school or something like that. Because you're you're doing things that are are prioritizing your future self, but in the moment you could have done that. It's so it's such a weird competing ideology in some ways, yet we all do it. And I don't know, and that's the hard part, it's like I don't know what the there's I don't think there's a right answer in a way to to live the your life to its highest potential because I guess that's also something that depends on who the person is telling you what their highest potential is. Maybe it's it's being in their kids' lives every second of the possible or it's being a better example to them as to oh dad was disciplined, he worked out, he ate properly, and because of that, he's in he's a good good shape 40-year-old versus some of the other parents we see who are not that, right? I don't know. It's interesting, and like work. Like work, we get call outs, we have to go to call outs, we miss things.
SPEAKER_02:Um I was literally just thinking about like a small-ish example of that was even just like we had a Christmas party for Eric's unit, and they just ordered like some Appies, and it was just like not the greatest food, and even though I was like hungry and kind of wanted it, I was like, if I eat this, I'm gonna feel like shit in the gym tomorrow. But then it was like, he's like, it's Christmas, like just have it. And I was like, I don't want to, like, even just like stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:Where it's like you're constantly kind of trying to make a decision on which avenue you wanna completely because like on that on that level, you're like, okay, could I give could I not could I eat it with the knowledge that it's gonna be I'm not gonna I'm not gonna feel great as good in the morning as I could.
SPEAKER_02:But like the balance of like, oh it's Christmas, just like you can back back on that train in January.
SPEAKER_01:That's the one I'm living in right now. It's hard. I'm living in the back on the train in January argument right now. We're reviewing it.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I just want the answers.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:All the answers.
SPEAKER_02:Before we Do you know how exhausted you would be though if you had all of the answers?
SPEAKER_03:I just want like a path to some of the answers.
SPEAKER_01:And I think that's the frustrating part is when there's the frustrating part for me is when there's literally no path to answers. Like there's no path to like certain answers to things, right? That seem super important.
SPEAKER_03:Because you like at the end of the day, it's just weird that we're all here. It's just a little weird. Like somebody just maybe like what are we doing?
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I I occasionally dip my toe in the water of like bad shit that could happen to us um on this theme. There's a lot of those. The uh Yellowstone volcano has been where my toe's been dipping the last week. Has there any activity recently? No. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Oh man, you worry yourself. I don't know anything about the stuff you guys talk about. Uh so there's a super volcano.
SPEAKER_03:It's really nice, actually.
SPEAKER_02:I don't, I actually was just talking to Eric about how I was like, I think I'm gonna take like a pretty serious break from social media. Yeah, it's a good idea. And I just need to get over the like FOMO of not being in it. But I was like, I think I'd be so much happier. We actually didn't even say this to him, I was going to. We were just like in bed talking the other day, and usually like we do the typical like throw a TV show on, yeah, but we're both on our phones, and then eventually one of us like rolls over and goes to bed. Yep. And we spent like 20 minutes in our bed the other day just like talking about our day, talking about things, um, like our phones weren't like in our hands at all. Yeah, and like halfway, like halfway through the conversation, I literally remember like having like the mental thought of like this is really nice. Like, neither of us are on our phones, and it's as simple as like we're just like laying in bed having a conversation. I was like, technology is like it's killing us completely taking over our lives. It's pathetic.
SPEAKER_04:What would you give up?
SPEAKER_02:What do you mean?
SPEAKER_04:Social media. What would you give up?
SPEAKER_02:Um I'm not super active on the Book of Face, so probably Instagram. That's the one that I'm on a lot. I go, I still doom scroll every once in a while. But the sh like shit on there's funny. Hilarious. So good. It's so hard. And like the most pathetic part is we'll be like in bed watching TV and we'll send each other the stuff, even though we're right beside each other.
SPEAKER_01:I also find that like I'll be like, I'll send her something. Or she'll send me something. Yeah, I saw that like two minutes ago. Like we see the same things. Uh so the Yellowstone volcano.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah. This is a super super volcano in Yellowstone National Park in Montana. It's like a kilometer wide cap.
SPEAKER_04:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:Um if it erupts, and it will one day, extinction level eruption.
SPEAKER_02:Really?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. We are just on the edge, so there's like there's predictions. We're close. Oh, yeah. So there's predictions of like w where the ash is gonna fall. So there's like an immediate death zone. Yeah. Then there's like death within a couple hours zone. Then there's like death from the ash crushing houses is gonna be so thick zone. And then there's like you might survive if you go further north zone. And we're kind of in that zone where like we wouldn't die right away, but we need to get on our horses and head north. Like quickly. Very quickly, um, with as much food as possible because it also would blot out the sun and there'd be volcanic winter across the earth for like a decade.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's not gonna be like that's wild. And like the uh the caldera, whatever it's called, the cap, like it moves up and down with the magnetic.
SPEAKER_02:When's the last time it erupts?
SPEAKER_03:So it's supposed to erupt every 600 years?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, it can't be six hundred years. Or more. Because six hundred means we would all be dead. Maybe it's sixty thousand.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. Whatever it was, you might have to look this up because it was like if it let's say it's six thousand, it says like it's supposed to erupt every six thousand years, and we're like a thousand years overdue.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. So really it's any day now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sorry, you're gonna have trouble sleeping tonight with all these informations.
SPEAKER_02:Are incredibly stressed out on this volcano that we're gonna be.
SPEAKER_03:The fun thing is like eventually you just forget about these things. Like you'll like I'll read this and I'll be like for 20 minutes, I'll be like, fuck. And then I gotta go change a diaper.
SPEAKER_02:Where do you learn? Yeah, and then reality sets in. Um, where do you learn about these things? Do you do scroll or do you like, is this on the news? Like we're gonna podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Over 20 years of listening to it. Uh okay, Yellowstone and Super Neve Volcano has had three major eruptions in his known history, plus many smaller lava flows. 2.1 million years ago, uh, it blew up. 1.3 million years ago, it blew up. 631,000 years ago is the last time it blew up. Uh so the gaps between eruptions and not six thousand six hundred years, uh we got eight hundred thousand and then six hundred and seventy thousand years. So we're like we're in the range of the next one. Oh, here but here's what it says. Important context. Even though approximately six hundred and thirty thousand years ago has passed since the last super eruption, that does not mean that the Yellowstone is overdue. It's had dozens of smaller eruptions with the most recent lava flow about 70,000 years ago.
SPEAKER_03:Does that mean it's like relieved pressure?
SPEAKER_01:Current monitoring shows no signs of an imminent super eruption. That doesn't make me feel better.
SPEAKER_02:See, ChatGPT is telling you to calm the fuck down. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:The statement current monitoring shows no signs of imminent eruption does not make me feel better. I feel like that they would know.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like they would feel like the build the buildup of pressure.
SPEAKER_02:They're just like watching a live camera at all times, be like, guys, there's smoke.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so here's the one of the super all of the uh incoming meteorites.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, this is just like CJ's anxiety room.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, do you know can we okay? I have an idea. When we set this thing up and we start doing video and we have couches on that wall, can we have a peg board? And then we're gonna have it's gonna look like a conspiracy theorist, like with the pictures and like lines going, like yarn going everywhere. And it's we're gonna have like anything that we've talked about, like the moon landing. Oh, I love that idea. We have that on the wall with like lines and strings going everywhere. That's a fantastic idea. That'd be awesome. That I knew you were had a creative bone in your body. Thank you. Something creative I've thought of.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so what would you say is like your biggest fear then? Like what's this what like my actual biggest fear?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Grizzly bears.
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Really? Probably. No, it's not. Yes. Like that's like if like if there's one thing I don't want to deal with right now, that would be it.
SPEAKER_01:I I have another I have one that it's everyone's biggest fear. Death? Not your death. Not being accepted by your friends, no family. No.
SPEAKER_02:No awkward hugs.
SPEAKER_01:No, I love awkward hugs. No, like the death of like your like significant other or child.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't know. I don't want to talk about that.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. That's why it's the biggest fear. That that would be the worst thing. Yes, confirmed. That is my biggest fear. Then grizzly bears.
SPEAKER_02:Then grizzly bears. Or getting sick. Like getting sick would be horrible.
SPEAKER_03:Like a cold? Like a cancer? Not like a pan cold.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like something a little more serious that might be life threatening. That would suck. Or like Alzheimer's. I also don't know. Yeah, I'm with you.
SPEAKER_01:I'm with you on that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So sad. I hate it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that that would suck. Like, ugh. Thanks for the making. Now I'm thinking about that.
SPEAKER_02:Like just put a pillow over my head at that point if that happens to me. It's on record. Can we use it?
SPEAKER_01:One hour into this podcast.
SPEAKER_03:What is your biggest fear then outside of the obvious one?
SPEAKER_02:Well, getting sick's a big one. Um, just because I've watched a lot of my family members get sick and I've seen how horrible and crappy it is. Um but like on a scale of grizzly bear. Honestly, it probably pretty close with the grizzly bear thing. Because when I go hiking, I like almost don't enjoy it because I'm just nervous that a bear is gonna come around the corner and stuff. I'm with you too. Yeah. Like I love hiking, but even just like the tiny little ones in Waterton, like the whole time I'm like, I'm so anxious right now.
SPEAKER_04:I I would hike so much more if we didn't have to worry about grizzly bears.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, me too.
SPEAKER_03:For real.
SPEAKER_02:And I like and I have my dogs, and I but there's been a lot of grizzly bear attacks lately.
SPEAKER_03:Like the group of school kids out in BC. Did you hear about that one? Okay, but like again, are there actually more or just we are aware of more? I think there's more. I think because we don't hunt as much, we don't I think the population has grown. I think I'm talking about things I don't really know anything about. That's what we do. Welcome to the avatar. But do you remember the couple? Remember the couple that got killed, them and their dog that got killed out by Waterton by a grizzly bear a couple years ago?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I do remember.
SPEAKER_03:The couple from the university here. Yeah. And they're on their Garmin inreach, like the message they sent was like bear attack need help or something like that. And then Jeez, I don't remember this at all. Oh yeah. They're from they're from here.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm like, so yeah, like once twice a year, we have friends that like go to the mountains a lot, and like, hey, we should go do uh a run. Or like again, I love the idea of it, but in practice, I'm like, I don't want to die.
SPEAKER_03:At least if you're running with people, you like which is which is fine for a black bear, but like a pissed-off, hungry grizzly bear.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, or like a with Cobs. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_03:George and I, yeah, I'm sure you you've gone too. Like he he likes to go to the mountains and run. But the the last time I went with him, which was two summers ago now, there was a group of four of us, and we started on the trail, and immediately he tells me, Yeah, there's been a lot of bears around lately, so just every time we get to a corner, we're just gonna yell like, hey bear, hey bear. I'm like, he was doing that in the mountain when I went with him last year. I'm like, bro.
SPEAKER_02:And the shitty part about going with George is you know he can outrun you, so you're upset of a bear.
SPEAKER_01:That so I was with him and uh Aaron, uh, and we used the same thing, and I was with him the whole way, but then we went down the mountain, so we down, and it was like as it was like a mile or two downhill steep, and I was going slow because it was killing me. And those two are like mountain goats, and they got so far ahead of me. We get to this part where we get close to the bottom and it ends up in the trees, and I'm by myself, and I'm starting to freak out a little bit. Every little noise really I can't even hear them anymore, and I'm like, oh this is how I die, I guess. And uh yeah, I don't, I don't, I like I don't enjoy it. Like I enjoy the atmosphere and it's awesome, but like I'm always worried about stupid.
SPEAKER_02:The only nice thing about Waterton after the fires is that you can really see ahead of you. So that's like the only thing.
SPEAKER_03:But I've heard so many people in Waterton that like a friend of mine that I know, she works for the nursing home in Calgary. She's got a bear tattoo on her arm because of her bear counter.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like, yep.
SPEAKER_03:Um talking to her about that. I would feel better if I could like open carry a pistol. For sure. I would legitimately feel better if I could carry like a 45 pistol.
SPEAKER_01:Even if it's like not super uh logical that it's because you you might not.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but at least you have a chance. I agree. Right? At least you have like something to do because bear spray is fucking useless. Completely useless. Like it works on like not aggressive bears, but again, a grizzly bear that's like I'm gonna eat you because eaten in three weeks. Yeah, yeah, it's chili.
SPEAKER_02:Uh another one to answer your question is I really don't like being chased. It's a big fear I have.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Tell me more.
SPEAKER_02:Um, like if I'm going, no, the long set of stairs at the nursing home. If somebody's like too close to me and we're going down at the same time, like I freeze. I hate it. And my FTO thrived on that and used to like chase me downstairs. Oh, I know what I'm doing every time you walk out. Thank you for telling the entire world this. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:All 33 listeners. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, I had a lot of people reach out to me after the last podcast I was on here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you know, yeah. Hey, listen, you do.
SPEAKER_02:We talked about some deep shit. Because nobody reached out to us. And I liked it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It was a good one. Uh, a lot of people from the nursing home?
SPEAKER_02:And outside of the nursing home. Nice. Yeah. Like I'd say a small handful of people sent me a message. Good.
SPEAKER_01:Well, thanks for listening. Uh you can all you can message us too, you know, but it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Actually, never mind. Nobody checks anything on our stuff. Yeah, when's the time you've checked your email? Uh I don't know. Uh I'm assuming you check the email? No. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, no, it might be on my phone.
SPEAKER_01:Nobody's checked it in a long time. Uh, I have not logged into Twitter since I got a new phone, so that's been since at least September. It's on my phone.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't it? What's it called now?
SPEAKER_01:We haven't had an email since May. It's okay. It's okay. We're not doing it for that. Once we start doing video with our coaches and our conspiracy board, yeah. I think we'll be okay. I'd be like that.
SPEAKER_03:Did you know that most podcasts fail after something like six episodes? Six? Yes. And I actually think, especially if you include our little foray into crypto, we have outlasted probably 99% of podcasts.
SPEAKER_01:That's impressive.
SPEAKER_03:We're still here. And we have done screw you next to no effort into it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, the problem, and again, we've talked about this, but the problem is like the inconsistency we have sometimes because of schedules. Like uh people forget, and then all of a sudden it's like it's been three weeks, and then they would have listened had we not had we done every week because it's consistent, but now it's not, so it'd be nice to fix that. Just life's busy, and now you have two children. So you're not gonna be able to do that. Nothing's gonna change. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, nothing, nothing will change at all. What's your biggest fear outside of death and dying?
SPEAKER_01:I'm not I'm not afraid of dying. Um I'm afraid of dying. Yeah, I'm afraid of that. Um bears are definitely there. But like I don't know. That's it. I'm no, no, you that's not it. Okay, it's not it.
SPEAKER_02:Getting food poisoning when you're traveling is also. I'm not scared of that. That's a big fear. I'll deal with it. It's horrible. Deal with it. I'll just South Africa 2020. Yeah, that would be shit. It was a rough ride. I'm going to Mexico. That's when I knew Eric really truly loved me.
SPEAKER_01:Just cleaning your puke up off the ground.
SPEAKER_02:Pretty close.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, you poop up off the ground.
SPEAKER_02:We were in, so we go to scraping the walls. We go to South Africa. We're in the middle of COVID, and we stayed in this like really nice Airbnb, but it was like completely open concept. So you like walk in and it's like kitchen, the bed's in like the far corner, the bathroom's in that far corner, and the only thing that even like remotely has like kind of walls is just like where the toilet is, but it's like all open. And we go out for dinner in Cape Town, and obviously something I ate, and all of a sudden, like two hours later, we're in bed, and I start getting like the shakes. And I literally like looked at him and I was like, Do you feel okay? And he's like, Yeah, I feel fine. And I was like, at that point, I was nervous, like maybe we weren't supposed to like drink the water or something. And it was a rough ride for a couple hours, and then this open concept room that we're in, and the whole time I was just like, Do you feel okay?
SPEAKER_03:How much do you love me?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we're about to find out. So that was early on earlier on in our relationship, and here we are.
SPEAKER_04:So testament to a strong relationship.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, hey.
SPEAKER_04:Um, yeah, food poisoning traveling.
SPEAKER_03:I have also experienced that. Not fun. You didn't get sick in Dominican. Oh yeah. Did you? Oh yeah. Um yeah, you're weak. I inferior, for sure, in many ways.
SPEAKER_02:Because of food or water?
SPEAKER_01:I think it was because of the fruit. Yeah, I think it was the fruit or the lettuce, because the person who got the sickest uh is a vegan and a vegetarian. And she only was eating uh. She ended up in the hospital.
SPEAKER_05:Jesus.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she had a parasite.
SPEAKER_04:I think.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, she almost died.
SPEAKER_03:She's uh she uh she barely made it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think she was she was bad, rough shape. She almost didn't make it to the plane to get home go home.
SPEAKER_03:She is a uh she dispenses um uh charts at the nursing home. Yeah. I don't know. Charts, not the best analogy. She dispenses calls for um I see patients. Uh and like getting on the plane, like we're like, I hope you make it home because you're not looking good.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know what the worst part of that entire um trip home on the plane was? Was Toronto airport. How long it was?
SPEAKER_02:Don't get me started on the Toronto Airport.
SPEAKER_03:The Toronto Airport. So you walk down the breezeway off the airport, off the airplane, excuse me, and then there's like a 90 degree left turn. And at that at the apex of that 90 degree turn is the entrance to the women's bathroom. And there's just shit. Just like a cascading river. Do you remember that? No, I don't. Oh, dude, it was like on the floor? Yeah. I don't remember. I am pretty sure like there was like some evil coming up inside the front.
SPEAKER_01:Exorcism happening in the bathroom.
SPEAKER_02:Toronto Airport is a dumpster fire.
SPEAKER_01:I I devow to never go to Dominican again after that be purely based on the flying. But I think you can get uh direct flights from Calgary Calgary again. Well, yeah, because it was like a 10-hour travel day. Uh yeah, it was like to Toronto and then Toronto there. So I think it was a four hour, then a six hour flight. I also did layovers plus that.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't like I we've talked about this on this podcast, but I didn't like leaving the Dominican on the airplane because we used every inch of that fucking runway. Every inch. But they do it every day. He said it's safe. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Uh but when you're like, oh, it's like we're still not off the ground, and then it's like in water.
SPEAKER_02:Just have to uh just go on more trips, that gets less scary. Um although from the last podcast I listened to, you don't even want to go to Mexico.
SPEAKER_04:Why?
SPEAKER_01:What did I say? Yeah, he's a loser, isn't he? I'm going I'm going again in March.
SPEAKER_02:Like, why would I go to Mexico if what all I'm gonna do is sit there and I can do that at home?
SPEAKER_03:I I want to travel. Like, I I I still think that we should all go to Fiji. Um trying.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, you're gonna have another one here probably right away.
SPEAKER_03:So uh whoa.
SPEAKER_01:Right away? Well, like, how long do you have to wait? Six weeks?
unknown:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:Could you imagine two new two kids like uh like here here's my here's what here's what I'm gonna tell you, okay? Here's my suggestion. I think you should stop after two. I know it's nothing to do with me, but I think you should stop after two. If you're not going to, though, I think you should just get it done right away.
SPEAKER_03:I I agree, like I think that makes sense. Perfect. Good, we're agreed. Do it. But not six weeks after. Well eight. Sure. We'll see. No.
SPEAKER_02:Step parenting is hard. I can't imagine parenting.
SPEAKER_01:Uh he's going. I just find it really interesting that like I'm in the portion of my life where in five years my children are graduated. Both of them. And in five years, your kids are gonna be starting school. How we yeah, how weird is that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, I would like to travel more. I'd like to go see some things, just not Mexico.
SPEAKER_01:Because he's racist and he hates Mexicans.
SPEAKER_02:There are way cooler places than uh I think we'll go to Spain in 2027 by the sounds of it.
SPEAKER_01:Uh that's cool. And then also we want to do a Disney World trip before my kid graduates. So my parents want to go, so we'll probably go with that side of the family maybe 2027 as well. We'll see.
SPEAKER_03:I saw a thing on Instagram that said it's cheaper to go to Disney World in Tokyo than it is to go to Disney World.
SPEAKER_02:I don't get it. I with kids, obviously, it would be amazing, but I don't get the Disney World hype.
SPEAKER_01:Uh it's honestly it's fun. And like you said, it's with kids. And so the thing is, like, we would rent um because Airbnbs on there are pretty decent, and you can get like a ridiculous like almost like a mansion, because we're gonna have one, two, three, four, four, five families, and then you can get like for price per night, it ends up being cheaper than probably a hotel, but ridiculous house, like with like a games room and a pool and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_02:So that's fun.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so we'll do that, and that'll cut the price down a little bit, and then ideally I'd have like uh flight points, so it wouldn't be super expensive. The tickets to Disney and like Orlando, like to the Universal Studios, are they insane, but Eric made me buy orange juice or something at the store the other day, so that we had points.
SPEAKER_02:We're still on that training. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Extra points for orange juice today. Getting orange juice. To be fair, you do travel more than anybody else as a result of it.
SPEAKER_02:We haven't really gone. We've kind of we didn't go anywhere last year.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, at all. Well, you guys did some little trips, didn't you? 2025. Yes, you did. Um I feel like you went to like Vancouver or something like that. I guess.
SPEAKER_02:No. This year? Yeah. No. We did Vancouver. Uh actually, I don't even know if we did Vancouver together. I went with my mom. And then we did Mexico, but that was like a family trip. We didn't do anything this year.
SPEAKER_04:Well, you better make up for it next year.
SPEAKER_02:We're going to Cavo in February. Oh, okay. With somebody else that works at the nursing home. Oh. And then I think we're gonna do a big trip next fall.
SPEAKER_04:Like a like a big trip.
SPEAKER_02:Like back to the Maldives.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, no shit.
SPEAKER_02:I think. If that uh retro check comes on time for sure.
SPEAKER_01:What um like how many years out now? Because you've had another child. Uh like are we like 2028 before we're doing the big trip?
SPEAKER_03:It would be what are we, December?
SPEAKER_01:So one year probably. 2027.
SPEAKER_03:But like until fall 2027.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Fall 2027 would be like the optimal time. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So so beginning of 2028. February of 2028.
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Something in that.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it depends on where we're where we're going.
SPEAKER_01:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Good point.
SPEAKER_02:Because if we're going somewhere where it's better to go in the fall before the spring.
SPEAKER_03:I just want to go somewhere big for a long time without children.
SPEAKER_01:Big. See, for and so I'm I'm so this is the hard part about like just being different era different eras of our lives. Because we talked about it, because like we're like even in Mexico, we're like, do we go without the kids next next year? And then it's like we have three years left with our daughter going on like family trips before it's like she might not want to come or like she would be too busy to come, right? So they're like, okay, well, at this point, we might if we're going on trips in the next 2026, 7, 8, we're probably taking the kids. But after that, it's likely we would go without them, right? Because that well, and because then we have one who's not still with us. I don't know. Anyway, it's just like it's in a weird portion of life where it's like we still we haven't done a trip by ourselves since um I don't remember. Twenty I don't remember. We went to Hawaii and I can't remember what year that was. Um so it'd be nice to do that, but it's just like at this point, it's like you don't want you only so much time left, right? With like family vacations. So we're just kind of at the point where we're like, well, I guess they're coming with us. I guess it depends how much you travel.
SPEAKER_03:And I mean there's also a huge difference between like kids that are can be left unsupervised. Yeah, it's true. For sure. Yeah, so like Spain obviously will take everybody and then we'll I don't know, we'll see. Yeah, we'll shoot for like like a fall ish 2027 at this point. Which is not that far away.
SPEAKER_02:That's really not. No.
SPEAKER_03:Are you saving? Yeah, sure. Starting today. Sure, starting now. Yeah, I'm gonna save all all my pennies from the from the uh Canadian government for EI.
SPEAKER_02:Uh we'll have C BP four by uh pray for more call-ups.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yes, yes, that's good. You mean the the liberal majority government that's gonna happen is gonna be better for us.
SPEAKER_03:Buddy, and you know what? I have not been paying attention to the news even in the slightest. Cool.
SPEAKER_04:And it makes me feel so good.
SPEAKER_02:Good. See, you do that with everything. I know don't worry about the volcano.
SPEAKER_03:Jove your head so many ways.
SPEAKER_01:It's fine, it's good.
SPEAKER_02:Just go change diapers.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Go change diapers. Life's good. Just uh don't worry about CPP seven when I talk about the chat. Fuck CPP seven.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not looking forward to January. I'm gonna go be back to being poorer for six months. Yeah. Oh fuck.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, let's get out of here. I got uh gifts to wrap. Uh Merry Christmas, everybody. Thanks for listening in 2025. Yeah, and our next one, we'll do a 2025 wrapped in the new year. You don't think we have enough time for a little more this year?
SPEAKER_03:I don't think we have the ability to schedule.
SPEAKER_01:I'm telling you, I'm available. Uh the week left? I'll tell you what days here. Week and a half. You're not the issue. I know. Well, you and I can come do it.
SPEAKER_04:All right.
SPEAKER_01:I think we did that last year. 29th and 30th. Yeah, I'm available. Actually, 28th, 29th. I'm also available. 30th, I can do it. Yeah. Just tell me. Okay. So to take that all back, we'll probably do one more this year. But Merry Christmas. We won't do one before then.
SPEAKER_02:Merry Christmas. Thanks for coming again, Alliant.
SPEAKER_01:You gotta be like one of our most recurring guests in 2025. I'm very honored. You are here.
SPEAKER_03:You are um between you and Jeff, you are officially and Tony. Tony has not yet, per se, filled in. Has Tony? No, Tony has filled in. So the three of you are our replacements for Jason.
SPEAKER_02:I love it. I'll come on anytime you want.
SPEAKER_01:You might just be coming a staple. We might put you in the chat, and now you're just a part of the thing, the show.
SPEAKER_02:Can I?
SPEAKER_01:This might be a thing we'll have to discuss without you. Oh my goodness, okay. We'll talk about you behind your back. 2026, big year.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. Okay, cool.
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