#89 A Chat with Zach

Today we have a new quest on, Zach! We discuss a lot of topics including the new Space X IPO, community, ideology and UFC 250. 

Thanks for listening!

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

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Everyone feels the same way you do. Alright? What you do right now?

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Onomopia. Is that the word? No, it's onomonopoeia. No, it's not. Trust him on this one.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Yeah, I'm with Jay on that one. Seriously? Yeah, it's not onomanopoeia. Onomonopoeia.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

On a mana? Like M-A-N-A? What does that mean? I can't remember what it means. I think it's Is it where there's like no, that's a little bit more than a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:09

No, I think it's like when words sound the same in a line. Like blue.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

We're dumb. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's that's a good one. Sue. That's a good word. Okay. Speaking of being dumb, are we recording yet? Uh yeah, but I'm still feeling like the things aren't right. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 1:29

What are you the process of creating or using words that phonetically imitate, resemble, or suggest the sound. Oh, they describe it. Not you aren't right at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:38

So like house mouse. Yeah.

unknown 1:41

Dr.

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Seuss was.

SPEAKER_04 1:42

I can't in my mind think about whoosh drip sizzle patter is nature and weather. I have no idea how to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Oh, so it's like it's like a it's imitating a sound.

SPEAKER_04 1:50

Oh yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Or buzz buzz.

SPEAKER_04 1:52

Buzz buzz. It's like a bee.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

Welcome to the Average Period Podcast, episode number 89, I think.

SPEAKER_06 1:58

No. What? It's like 91. No way. Socket podcasting. No way.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

We're good at being friends. We're just bad at like documenting.

SPEAKER_06 2:07

We're not even good at being friends. Oh, okay, fine. Not lately.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

I guess I guess we're not. That's fine.

SPEAKER_06 2:12

Zach. First time listener. Long time listener, first time caller. Welcome.

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Thanks.

SPEAKER_06 2:19

Welcome.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Don't worry. I'm not even a first-time listener. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

I was right, wasn't I? Yeah, you were. Thank you. 89. Uh, yes, we have a guest. Zach is here tonight. Um, excited. It's been a long day for all of us, so we're gonna bring the energy somehow. We're gonna find it.

SPEAKER_06 2:35

Did you have a long day too?

unknown 2:36

I did.

SPEAKER_06 2:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

This is always a thing where it's like we we set these and then you're like look like the last couple hours of the day, you're like, I don't want to go home. I get I get it though. But we're here, and now it's good.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

Because like how many times do you go to take your kids somewhere and they're like, I don't want to go, but the second they're there, they have fun. This is exactly what this is for adults. Good point. This is exactly what it is because I'm having fun right now, and I did not want to do this a minute ago.

SPEAKER_06 2:59

Wow. I'm just saying it's a quick turnaround.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Use your brains all day long. I just work and get sweaty and gross, so this is awesome.

SPEAKER_06 3:06

Sometimes we use our brains.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah, sometimes I I kind of start sweaty.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

I spent the last two days. Uh you're always sweaty.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

I well, yeah, I am. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 3:17

I spent the last two days in the sun.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Yeah, you can tell.

SPEAKER_04 3:21

Dude, I have you're outside. You burn here so easy.

SPEAKER_06 3:26

Oh, it's it's so funny. And so I was on a medication delivery course at the nursing home. Yes. So the entire time I spent like this, you can see the line where my burn stops. That's hilarious. Yeah.

unknown 3:38

Fuck.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

And there was a lot of that from the sounds of it.

SPEAKER_06 3:40

There was a lot of it. It was really cool. A lot of delivery, a lot of delivery of medication.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

Sounds like a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 3:45

Accurate? Accurate delivery? Um, well, first off, the medication delivery instructor was like world class. Oh, really? Literally. That's good. Uh ranked fifth in Canada for medication delivery. Really? Yeah. Uh I wish I could, I wish I was there. Uh it was cool. I do too. The problem is is that like I when we do these things, you can see the gap between where you want your skills to be and where your skills are.

SPEAKER_07 4:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:10

And then it's at the forefront of your brain when you're doing it, and you're like, man, I need to get better. Like, I'm not good. It's like jujitsu. It's like, oh man, I roll this up like a black belt, like I should be better. And then you like go home and you're like, oh, I got so many other things on the go.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:28

Yeah, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Or you're just not making it a priority.

SPEAKER_06 4:30

And that's more so it. I think everybody's willing to do it. It's just No, I disagree. I don't think everyone's willing to do it.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

No. They're not. No, they're not. If if ever you there's so many people who want to be good at something, but they're just not willing to do the work.

SPEAKER_05 4:43

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

I want to really be good at reading, but I just don't want to read books.

SPEAKER_06 4:48

Like, seriously, I mean like what do you mean good at reading? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

I I have bought so many books and they I read just a little bit. I'm on the Lord of the Rings for the last four years reading the three books. I I want to read it, but I just don't want to put it in the book.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

But that's not an that's not a like whether you're good or bad at reading. That's just like you want not sitting down and doing it.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Yeah, because I'm not getting good at reading. That's not good.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

I'm not prioritizing it. Yes, but that's making it. You're using that differently. 100% AM. You know why I'm doing that?

SPEAKER_04 5:14

Because I feel like we're all just gonna argue tonight. Yeah, you're gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

It's already making me angry.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

We're all just pissy in nicotine.

SPEAKER_04 5:21

How do you run out of like that's the other question too? Because a lot of our friends use nicotine recreationally. That's the right way to say it. Everybody's always out. Yeah. No, like why? Like I is there no planning involved at all? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

They just like chain, shove it in their face. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_06 5:43

It's to the point where like a good drug addict, I just mooch off my friends now. It's like, hey man, you got any? You holding? Hey, you holding? Like it's just not. Tony, I'm sorry. I need to he doesn't know yet.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Yeah, I know, but he'll know now. Well, this won't come out for a couple days, so you'll probably have to tell him before that.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

These things make me so paranoid. I smoke for 26 years. Oh yeah. There's no way I'm gonna do it. That's the line? Period. Yeah. Okay. It makes me I'm so paranoid to get addicted to nicotine again.

SPEAKER_06 6:14

Do you think you'd just like you'd have one and then you'd be stopping at the Circle K buying a pack of darts?

SPEAKER_01 6:19

No, maybe. See, but I think this is like I quit for six years. I haven't smoked a cigarette in six years. That's not bad. That's good.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

Yeah, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Why'd you start smoking?

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Uh I started smoking. Because we would uh we would just go. I I grew up in rural Manitoba. Yeah. And you could smoke inside the AW and buy bottomless coffee for 75 cents. So me and my friends would go and sit at AW for 75 cents and drink coffee and smoke darts.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Sounds awesome.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

And I was the only one that didn't smoke, and I was like, well, I'm smoking, so fuck it. I might as well smoke. That's right.

SPEAKER_06 6:52

Yeah. Were you a hundred years old 26 years ago?

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Oh, I smoked for 26 years. I haven't been smoking for over 30. Yes, you guys did that here. 32 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

As well. Do your math.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

Because like I didn't know. I'm also southern rural Manitoba, and we just go to go to the restaurant and smoke and have coffee in high school. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's that's what you did on break.

SPEAKER_05 7:13

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 7:16

Did you guys not do that here? No, I didn't know. Okay. Well we were too busy wheeling girls. We were too crispy. No, I did like sure you were. Sure you were. Ginger kids. Yeah, we were weak.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

There's no girl. Uh I smoked for like a month and like when I was like 20 something. I decided it was like a summer. I was like, I want to smoke. Were you framing at the time? Yep. Yeah. Doing framing, smoking in the sun, and it was great.

SPEAKER_04 7:42

I was a pack a week when I was doing stuckle. And also give you break a week. You get a break.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Yeah, I know, right? Isn't that? Yeah, I'm tired. You don't have a smoke. Smoke breaks. Yeah, it's dumb. It is. Production goes up though. Kind of miss it. It was kind of nice.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

No, it's kind of nice. Why is that allowed? Like you get more breaks because you smoke? That's not right. Well, it's because it's the social thing.

SPEAKER_06 8:01

Probably the boss smoked. Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Back then, yeah. But even but even so, just like I don't know what it's like now because I've worked for myself for the last 15 years, but like all the time. If you wanted a break, you just go out and smoke.

SPEAKER_06 8:13

Yeah. What is it about blue-collar jobs that attract smoking? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

I don't know. Stimulant doesn't hurt anything. Is it the breaks? Is that what maybe, right? I really do think it is.

SPEAKER_06 8:28

It might be. Or or am I completely off base and there is no correlation between blue collar. I bet you there's a correlation. I I don't know. I've yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Well, if you have an indoor job, you're not gonna smoke as much as if you have an outdoor job, I think. I think it is.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

Maybe can you look it up maybe on AI to see if there's a correlation between uh blue collar jobs and smoking percentages?

SPEAKER_04 8:45

I'm gonna go on Bing.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Bing. Bing.

SPEAKER_06 8:47

Who uses Bing, dude? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 8:49

What do you guys use? You guys use something rock? Yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_06 8:52

You could use perplexity, you could use Gemini. You could just type it in Google. Why would you go to Bing?

SPEAKER_04 8:56

That's what I've been doing the whole time. I've always been using Google. I haven't used these other fancy ones.

SPEAKER_06 8:59

You're gonna go to the worst search engine ever.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Are you still type it? I seriously think it goes to breaks though.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

I I bet it is.

SPEAKER_06 9:07

I can see it.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Because since I quit smoking, I would say that I work less hours in a day, but work, but actually produce more hours than like I would have if in an eight in an eight-hour day when I smoked, I'd smoke I'd smoke probably at least a half a pack during my work day. And now I don't smoke, so I have lunch and that's the only break I take.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

How much is half a pack? I don't even know. Like a dozen cigarettes. A dozen, so twice two of a two uh to an hour? Yeah, probably and like what, like a two minutes per smoke? Like what are we thinking?

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Give or take, depending on if the people you work with smoke, because then it's a social thing, and then it's ten minutes. Okay, and then it's fifteen.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Oh, it's like twenty minutes. So if we're going ten, we're going high end. That's like twenty minutes an hour. Yeah, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 9:47

Yeah. You're you guys are you hit all the points. Like literally, less restrictive policies, physically demanding work, uh workplace culture. And the last one's awesome, socioeconomic factors. Statistically, uh blue-collar workers and individuals have lower levels of education or higher So they're dumber. Yeah, or income have higher rates of tobacco use. Oh, lower levels of education and income. So you have higher rates of tobacco use if you have lower level education income.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Uh however, higher levels of education and like CEO jobs means more cocaine. That's fine. True. That's fine.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

So you gotta get a break, right? That's how they take their breaks.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Uh the only thing that I'm hoping they're not doing that at work. It's usually a party thing after, I think. I just go for drinks in a line.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Yeah, I'm not gonna tell the story. Never mind. Okay. We're good. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

Oh, you should definitely tell the story.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:35

Yeah. I used to work at a at an establishment in in Lethbridge and uh doing security there, and the security manager thought it was fun to put bleach on the back of the toilet seat or the toilet, uh, the toilets, the thing because uh a lot of uh employees at this place would go do uh cocaine off the back of the So then they're getting bleach and cocaine. Yeah, yeah, he used to used to put a little bit on there and then it would make him sick, and then they stopped doing that. What? Yeah, psychic. And uh we'll talk about what that establishment is after uh we stopped recording.

SPEAKER_06 11:06

But wouldn't it just evaporate? I don't know. Or like was he clean was he doing them a favor and cleaning it with the colour? Maybe he maybe he was cleaning it.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

And I don't know why you'd use the back of the like the toilet top. Like maybe it's just because it's oh it's glass, I guess. It's like a ceramic.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Um maybe he was getting crazy with it and he was like distilling the bleach down to powder and then like sprinkling powder so that when he would put your powder on that powder. I feel like that would kill you, wouldn't it? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just I don't even know if you can do that with bleach. I was just making stuff up. Can you well if you drink bleach you're gonna No, I don't know, but I don't know if you can make it into powder. Yeah, you can.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

You can make anything to powder. Dude. You can milk anything with nipples. Yeah, I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_07 11:45

Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Yes, you can't. If you haven't seen that movie, that's a weird thing to say.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

No, everyone's seen that movie. Meet the parents.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

Have you noticed your movie references aren't hitting with all the people you work with anymore? There's a lot of younger people.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

First of all, I think I'm the same age as everyone I work with, just because I feel the same age as everyone I work with. Uh, but some are literally 20 years younger.

unknown 12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Uh and yeah, like all today actually I I did a movie reference, and it was just like where am I? Nobody do the movie reference. Uh what was it? It was. I gotta remember what it is. Hang on.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

It's gonna hit with us.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

I I know what I can know what the movie it's from. That's gotta think of what I said. Oh. I said all you gotta do is set earmuffs.

SPEAKER_04 12:27

Oh, 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

I don't even need to finish it. Something about Mary? No.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Stop pretending you're young. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_04 12:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 12:37

It's like all you gotta do is set Eros. Then you can say whatever you want. That's uh big uh uh Adam Sandler.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

No, no, so here's the problem is that movie came out Vince Fonds.

SPEAKER_06 12:45

No, it's in our Farrell's in it. It's not wedding crashers.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

It's in our generation movie, it's not a hit.

SPEAKER_06 12:51

It's like one of the first ones that they were in. You and I are in the same generation. No, we're not. Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_04 12:55

No, because this came out when I was right before I graduated high school and it was a big deal. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 12:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Okay, what? What? You got it wrong. I got it wrong. We are making generation times.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

No, we're not. Literally, those the drop-down boxes, I'm checking the one below you.

SPEAKER_06 13:12

Look up the millennial generation.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Oh no, okay, yeah, but the millennial generation spans for like 15. Like it's like 15 years, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 13:20

Yeah, but you and I are in the same generation.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

Are you in are you in the 40 plus box on the the census and all that stuff? Or is that you? No, you're not. Hey, did you guys don't look around? No one's on no one's checking your box here. We're all we're all dropping. I don't actually don't know is that I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

I think maybe I'm older than everybody else.

SPEAKER_06 13:36

He's making an assumption. Maybe Jason looks older than you, but you're older than Jason.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

I've looked this old since I was 18. We're fine.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

I had a guy today tell me he was 28. He was at least 50. Yeah. Was it on Grinder? No, at work. At work. He's like 28. I was like, no. Not a chance, dude. That's a rough 28. Oh, it was a and I was like, because if he was being honest, I was like, you look like you're 50 something. And I was like, that is a rough line. You look like death. Yeah. He was like, oh yeah, no, I'm not 28. Oh yeah, I forgot the other 20 years. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:18

I was born in 78. Oh, that's close. Yeah. Just so we can like hone in on kind of like the central theme here. Like, you and I are the same generation. Can we like to figure this out? Okay. Like not gonna move on from this. You mean millennials?

SPEAKER_04 14:32

Yes. What like what age? Well, it's 81. 81? Until when? Until when? 2000? No, no. That's way too bad. Here's half a century almost. Like, here you go. That's the age. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

No, like I think we're Gen Xers are like 61. 69 to 81 or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Oh, it is it's a pretty new in that art group? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Yeah, 81 to 96. So yeah, me and like a bunch of people are in that category.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

No, 82.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

No, you are.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

Yes, I am. Oh shit, I'm fucking old. Yeah, I've bored of it.

SPEAKER_04 15:09

Yeah, but you get the movie reference. That's all that matters.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

It's all we care about.

SPEAKER_06 15:13

Is that?

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 15:14

As long as you know I'm not good at movie references. No, you suck at movie references.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

I've been talking about it. It makes me angry the movies that he hasn't watched. It makes me angry. Does it make you angry? Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

It's just part of the culture. Yeah.

unknown 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:27

I've been doing a lot of big gulps, huh? Well, see you later. A lot. And nobody gets that anymore. I'm just I'm done.

SPEAKER_06 15:34

It's probably because they're like, this dude's crazy. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

I really like doing it too.

SPEAKER_06 15:39

Billy Madison?

SPEAKER_04 15:41

Oh, did I that that that pause was not for you to guess a movie that's entirely wrong. Alright? Actually, newer than Billy. Newer than Billy Madison. What do you mean? It's Dumb and Dumber. I think Dumb and Dumber is newer than Billy Madison.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

Definitely not.

unknown 15:56

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

You say that with so much confidence, having no movie knowledge whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

I think Billy Madison's newer.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Have you seen Braveheart yet? No.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Doesn't that make you so angry? No. That makes me so never will. You I I I have uh it was like so so pivotal to my childhood. Like watching that movie. I have a picture of the of the movie poster with like a sword in the picture frame. Like I got it for like I think my parents bought it for me for a birthday or something. I was just nice. I loved that movie so much. It is a great show, still. Like it holds up.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

They will remake it in your lifetime. I hope not. They will a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Yeah, I hope not.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

I don't know. CGI. I don't know. Yeah, I'm pumped about the Robin Hood.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Uh I hope it's good.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

It's a different take. Whatever. Let's just pump out remakes all day long.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

I'm gonna go to the new Jackass just because I've gone to every Jackass in theaters. Yeah, I've gone to every single one, so I gotta I have to go to the last one.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Have you watched any of the Jackasses? I have. Okay. I think I watched the first or second one. So funny story about that. So I was probably I don't know, maybe 19. I don't know. I was in Minneapolis building a house and was with my dad, and we were like, we wanted to go to the movie theater, so we went to the movie, and like I grew up really like religious and kind of strict, and so we he's like, Well, I don't know, let's go to this Jack Cass movie. I'm like, Yep, let's go. And it was like awkward. You grew with your dad? Yeah, with my dad. But I was I feel like I was 18 or 19, so like I wasn't I was old enough, but he was just like mortified.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

I'm 41, I wouldn't. Which was my dad right now.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

The first one and it was tame compared to the newer ones with there's like dicks out everywhere, and yeah, like yeah, there's the the old the first one was pretty tame comparably, but yeah, it was just uh it was just not his cup of tea.

SPEAKER_06 17:49

I can't remember things about the movies though. Like you remember, do you remember scenes from the first jackass?

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Like could you they all they all combined together at this point where I couldn't be completely sure if it was like the first one or the second or the third? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:05

Uh but there was a there was a T was there a TV show? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

First, before that, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:10

First, yeah. M T V, I think. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I can't remember anything.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Well, it's kind of like how the Ally G show uh was like before they did like Bruno and um uh what's the other one? Borat. Borat, thank you. Like they he was kind of those characters in his TV show, which came out in like the 90s.

SPEAKER_06 18:27

Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen it.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

I actually have it on DVD.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Yeah. Really? Have you seen more more movies than this? How many fingers are we holding up? I yeah over under 50.

SPEAKER_06 18:39

But you know how people can also remember quotes and stuff for movies? I don't know if my my brain just isn't designed for that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

You have to watch the movie, but that was when like we would I would watch old school. I couldn't tell you how many times I watched that movie. Yeah, and on VHS. No, it was DVD.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

Because when we'd have like sleepovers and stuff, we'd wake up and the DVD menu would be playing on the TV. You remember that?

SPEAKER_02 18:59

Oh, yeah, that's good. That's a good DVD menu.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

Yeah, it is, it was. Like, I I remember that. And Super Troopers is the same thing. We'd wake up and like just the menus playing. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:10

You didn't get it in due stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Did you get invited over to anybody's house? Yeah, you were.

SPEAKER_06 19:13

Well, first off, I remember VHS's, and maybe it's because my parents didn't love me enough, but I had like four movies. Like I I've probably watched Independence Day on VHS a hundred times. I could quote that movie, like that. I've seen that shit.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

I could quote you Little Mermaid, I could sing you every Little Mermaid's Every Little Mermaid's ones. Yes. Uh, because we uh I had two sisters and when they we they watched that on repeat uh when I was growing up. You grew up with two sisters and that's it, right?

SPEAKER_04 19:38

Yeah, okay.

unknown 19:39

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Explains a little bit. Don't you think that's what kind of it was kind of missing though? Because like back in the day, you'd see a movie and you'd start quoting it, yeah, and then I'd be missing out, so I go see the movie, and then everybody starts quoting it back and forth, and then it just hangs out. This is what everybody else did. Oh, okay. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

But when a good movie home with three movies, but when a good movie came out, it was like everybody went to see that one, you know what I mean? Like that one movie. Yeah. Just because of like lack of selection, maybe. But like now, if it's a good movie, it like there's really good movies that I have not seen that have been out in the last year. I don't watch a lot of movies.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

I I don't know if I necessarily agree, like uh uh most of those movies that I can think of that like like old school and that kind of stuff, I don't think I ever went to the theater to any of those. Oh no, it was DVDs, yeah. Like if they came to DVDs, we went to like rent them from lock from Blockbuster or you bought it or whatever, but like I never I don't I wasn't going to many movies in theaters then for whatever reason. Like I remember going specifically to the Matrix when it came out. Like it was like packed when I was literally in the front row looking like with my neck cranked up trying to see it. Uh I remember that like it was weird how I remember certain things, but that one I remember and like certain ones because it was not that often that we went.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

But don't you think that there was like like somebody would start you're right, it don't not necessarily in the theaters, but just movies in general now. There's no like I don't have cable TV, I haven't had cable TV for I don't know how long, so I don't know what's coming out. But people would talk about what's coming out, and then people would watch it, and then yeah, like through my friend group, culturally, people would be in voting shit.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

I I agree, and you know, I think the biggest problem is again we talk about freaking phones, it's being the destruction of society here, but like I just think the attention span is so low that like people can't they don't really want to go sit in the movie theater because they'd rather just wait for it to come out in theater so they can scroll their phone while they watch their movies. Uh whereas I still enjoy going to movies the movie movie theaters when there's a decent movie. Yeah, it's it's a fun experience. I still I still go when I I have the I'm I have a Cineplex club, like I still go try to go as much as possible. Uh, but it's just I go through phases of like not going for quite a while and then I have like seven free movies because of my Cineplex. Yep, Cineplex.

SPEAKER_04 21:43

You get one you get one a month, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:44

Yeah, and then you get the free uh the discounts and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

So it's a good deal.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Like the the new supergirls coming out. I'm a nerd. I like superhero movies. It's I don't have a clue if it's gonna be good or not. I don't care. I'm gonna get a hundred percent I'm gonna go do it in theater 'cause I like watching those in theater.

SPEAKER_05 21:58

So it won't be.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

Um I don't know. How do you how do you find out that it's coming out? Prime video shows ads too. I'm trying to remember where I see ads.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

So many now. There's like it's a it's about a minute and a half for like 10-15 minutes of a show. Sucks.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

I'm trying to remember where I've seen ads for that, but yeah, I don't know. You know what I find out? Instagram probably has too because I want to know what's coming out because I want to go, I want to go to the theater, right? But I don't want to go to just complete garbage. Like, and I'm sure I you could argue superhero is gonna be complete garbage. I I agree I agree, but I like more I like DC stuff, so um and my 13-year-old will love it, so we'll go. Um But like there's a couple new movies out that came out called Uh One's Obsession. Um it's uh looks good. So basically, you've probably seen these guys. There's these guys on Instagram that do these short um they're 100% you've seen these guys. I have to show you a picture of them. But he ends up this so these guys who basically made became famous on Instagram making these like um short videos between the him and a buddy. He produced this movie for I think it was under 10 million.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Are you talking about are you talking about backrooms? Are you talking about obsession? Oh, like backrooms is the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Yeah, so obsession is is uh I didn't know that. Yeah, so it's a guy that basically became famous on Instagram. He he produces this movie, and this movie's made a hundred I don't know, a hundred and some million, two hundred million dollars. And I think they produced it for under ten or less. I I'm making numbers up, but it was really cheap, and he literally got famous on Instagram. Uh you would rec I I've sent your him his stuff before, so I know you've seen him before. But anyway, uh interesting, interesting kind of movie that it's like a horror slash like this chick is basically becomes a stalker, and it it's an interesting show. But um, and then Backrooms is another movie that's out in theaters right now where again it got the guy started a YouTube channel and he became kind of he start got famous on YouTube with different videos, but one of his videos on YouTube is called Backrooms. It was just this weird video of him wandering through this gigantic, like almost warehouse where it's completely empty, but then he starts like seeing like like ghost things or things around him, he's like running and he can't find a way out. Anyway, backrooms uh is about that. But these are those are two movies in theaters right now that are out, but it's weird that it's two YouTube guys, uh yeah, driven by social media too, which is which is like crazy, right? Because that's that's what's drives society right now.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

That's the culture. Even the new Street Fighter movie, there's a lot of social media influencers that are in there that they're not necessarily actors or anything, they're actresses or anything like that, but they just put them in there to get people to come. Ugh.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

It's super weird.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

But I want to see it. You used to see the new preview for the Street Fighter movie.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

It looks it looks like but there's some interesting things with social like so um so that we have our international student Pablo still with us, so he's only here for another like week and a half, but um, he told me about there's this there's a Spanish influencer who's got like a hundred million viewers or something like that. He went, he picked one guy from like Sofia's on right now, the World Cup. So he picked one guy who's like obscure, had like almost no followers from a team. He tried to find one of like the lowest followers, person with followers uh from a World Cup team, and he started promoting him. And within half a day, he ended up with like 10 million followers. Really? And it was like a New Zealand, I think he's a New Zealand soccer player that went from essentially a thousand people following him to like 10 million in a day. And and from that, the crazy thing is from that, he will legit legitimately make a ton of money, which is like just purely from eyes on. Now he starts creating he doesn't have to make too much, just we make a video here and there about like, yeah, I'm in at the World Cup, here's what's going on, and like he'll start getting paid for views. And it's insane in the world that we live in that that's that's potentially what could make you super rich from almost no effort if somebody who decides that they're gonna follow you or or promote you. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

That's the shit that makes me feel old. I have no idea this ecosystem. Yeah, no, right? Just nor can I keep up with any of it. No, I don't get it. I don't yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Are you uh do you have like are you do you have any social media?

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Instagram, yeah. Yeah, I have a Facebook account. I can't tell you the last time I went on it.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Do you go on Instagram often or not?

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Yeah, I'm a scroller for sure. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Yeah, it's it's really interesting. Um, and then have you been following it? This is a complete change of direction. Have you been following it all uh the SpaceX IPO?

SPEAKER_04 26:17

So I was just gonna say that that guy's sharing his wealth, unlike Elon Musk.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Okay, relax.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

That makes me that thing is crazy, though.

SPEAKER_06 26:25

Hold on. Let's let's hone in on what you said. Yeah, he's not sharing. You think Elon Musk Musk?

SPEAKER_02 26:29

No, he's just saying that guy's like promoting somebody and giving him a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

Yeah, he's giving him giving him stuff. I I guess Elon did do that to all of his employees, though, because like right now a lot of the employees are millionaires.

SPEAKER_06 26:39

Or has created billions of dollars of industry giving people jobs. Okay, just said that.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Down there, sunburnt kid. I'm with I'm with him. Uh, but have you followed at all the the IPO?

SPEAKER_06 26:50

I've I'm aware that it SpaceX IPO, and I'm aware that lots of people have made money.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Okay, so it came out on Friday last week. Uh opened at like I think it was supposed to open at 135 US. Uh it immediately, like, before you could buy it, it was like 160-ish. Um, I want I want to buy SpaceX. Uh I just was like, I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait till it drops or it crashes. It hasn't. Uh, and it's only been I know it's only been like half a week, but it's like it went up another, I don't know, 10. It's at $210 today or something.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

It's gone up 50% in since it opened on Friday. Um, so I'm still waiting because I think it's inevitable that it'll be like you're gonna have to wait months. Yeah, I think so. Two or three months maybe. Uh what's it at? Yeah, 201. So it dropped, it dropped back down, but it got up to 225 today. Um, from 135 open on Friday.

SPEAKER_04 27:43

Is there a down? I was trying to think, is there a big downside to this at all? Like sorry. I try I tried to get into to see if it was like this could affect the economy a lot.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Yeah, who knows? Who knows? But the crazy part is like I again I I I'm not X, I'm following too much on X these days, but like there's people freaking out, right? Like, oh he it's it but this is the thing that drives me crazy. So they're basically saying that within like honestly, from within a day, depending upon the price swing, Elon can be worth and not worth like an extra trillion dollars. So it could go up and down almost a trillion dollars based on the stock price, uh, his net worth in a day. Which is because he has so much because it's so exponent, it's just an exponential number that doesn't compute in people's heads, right? And so you're saying a word like trillion, and but like really what does that mean? It's impossible to actually comprehend. But people are freaking out, like, well, uh he should be like doing this, and like, well, like I it's an unrealized number. It's not an it's not a number where he's like he's got like stacks of cash that like increase and then decrease. Like, and people act like, and I've seen so many things recently on X, like, well, he could give five percent of his wealth and solve world hunger. And it's like no, like, what are you talking about? It's so insane to me that people are are so dumb that they don't understand. First of all, that it's again, this is like a number that doesn't it's it's theoretical in the end. Because he, yes, he's worth that based on paper because of the stocks that he holds, right? But like that doesn't mean he's got this money sitting there and he's using it for I don't know what they think he's using it for.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

They think he's like a Scrooge McDuck where he's just swimming in his money in his coin.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

But literally, this guy is probably going from meeting to meeting to meeting and working, working, working, trying to follow solve the next thing about how to build a base on the moon. Like, yeah, and and it's just like I don't understand the like the hate at all. Like I just don't get it.

SPEAKER_06 29:39

I I don't know. I see both sides of it because I mean there is a concentration of wealth upwards, right? Like everybody, if you're not ultra wealthy, but that's the rest of us are affected.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

But that's e that but that's why this that's why it makes sense though. When you think of like a stock price that is so fundamental to his net worth, right? The stock price of SpaceX and he's the 80% share, whatever the number is, like majority shareholder. If it goes up ten dollars in price, his net worth goes up an insane number that most people freak out about because it it doesn't make sense. It's like uh it goes up and down a billion dollars in a matter of like seconds, right? But people don't understand that. But again, that's just a that's just a number on a piece of paper, right? And that it's it's crazy to me that that upsets people so much. Because in in the end, it's like it's not like I don't know, it it drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Do you think it's that though? Or is do you think it's more about the the gap that's widening between the lower, middle, and other issue that I'm not issue, but I know that but that would be a good idea. Like a bigger, a larger driver.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Sorry, but that's that was kind of my point. I forgot to get that's kind of my point, is that this is the whole the rich get richer idea, right? But that's why because they have the that makes sense when you have to spend money to make money. There's all these like sayings that come out, right? And it's completely true. Um, which which can because it's true, that is the only outcome is that the people who have money will have more money than because they have the ability to invest it, they have the ability to use it uh to create more wealth. They have all they have that ability where because there's disposable income or whatever, it's stock prices, that kind of thing. Whereas like the average person who's just trying to get by doesn't have the ability to throw money into a um an investment to let sit there or or to buy something that you know increases in value, they don't have that like kind of velocity to like go further, right?

SPEAKER_04 31:37

So But this is where the gap gets cre like the gap could potentially get created.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

No, but there I I completely stop it. That's my point. There's there's literally zero no ability to stop it because the people who have money have more opportunities than the other fucking money.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Oh yeah, no, you're a millionaire.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

So there's there's also these like everything is so I completely agree with that, except that just like the idea that people think, well, if you distributed all the wealth in the world evenly around the world, that everyone would be happy. Well, they wouldn't, because there's they've they've run things on this where they show that within like X amount of time, the amount of wealth would be back in the hands of the people who had it before, because most people are stupid and don't know how to how many lottery winners lost their money. Exactly. Show lottery winners, like the percentage of lottery winners who've who've gone to basically whatever, X amount of millions to almost zero because they're just not they don't know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

But it's it seems like that, and if you look at like the bit like because Paramount and what Warner Brothers merge. So the Department of Justice says, Yeah, you guys are allowed to, it's creating monopolies. I feel so the businesses are merging, and then there's creating a higher, like a more of a separation between higher and lower class. I think not that we always go in the tinfoil hats, I think a hundred years from now, this is gonna be the end result of this, it's gonna be it's gonna create those different classes, and there's gonna be huge.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

What do you mean create? There are there are those different classes.

SPEAKER_04 33:03

So all these it seems like there's I I can't really name a lot, but I just I was just reading the news today about that Warner Brothers thing. That's a giant deal, it's a hundred billion dollar deal. And now all these companies are merging. And have you noticed that that there's less companies now, they're all under one conglomerate, more or less.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_04 33:20

So that's the first step.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Okay, but but I but I I guess my question is why do we care?

SPEAKER_04 33:25

And what can we do to I care? I care about that because that was a Department of Justice approved merger, which they shouldn't have done. Because I feel like they're allowing all these companies to merge now, and that's creating monopolies in certain industries, and that will create more of a disparity in the Yeah, but that that that always exists until somebody has a better idea and comes out and says, here's my product, it's better than their product, and then Yeah, and guess who gets to purchase that product? The people who are big companies, like maybe so they have more purchasing power, it's the same way. Yes. Yeah, so that creates this giant gap.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

I know, but like how do you you with with the world that we live in, that's like uh you you with capitalism, that's how that's what will happen. There's no I don't think you can separate that, right? There's no how do you remove the when you have elected officials making these decisions?

SPEAKER_04 34:12

That's the issue.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

That is weird. I completely agree with you.

SPEAKER_04 34:14

So that that is a preventable thing.

SPEAKER_06 34:16

Is is it?

SPEAKER_04 34:17

Uh greed isn't, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 34:18

But if you didn't have these elected officials making this decision, the merger would happen anyways. Completely. You'd just be CEOs of companies.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

What's that? Do you honestly think so? Yeah, completely. I would say there was more oversight in the past, I I would say.

SPEAKER_06 34:30

I don't know enough about the topic to really Yeah, neither neither do I.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

No, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter talking about like Warren Bros or whatever, but like in general, like the the idea that there's this like people with the money and the power at the top who will get more money and power because that's just how it works. How do we get up there?

SPEAKER_01 34:48

But specific to the governmental shit, it's much more in your face right now that there are people in government in the world right now who are trying to control. Not just trying to control, but also making themselves really fucking wealthy. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 35:03

Yeah, maybe maybe it was done but on a lesser scale before, or we just didn't have enough information. That's it. Like, yeah, we were not in your face. Yeah, yeah, you're right. We just have access to the city. I I loved that, by the way. That was that was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

I'm not on either side of it, but like you want to talk about something that's never been done.

SPEAKER_04 35:22

Yeah. The UFC? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

There's $60 million spent.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

Well, Teddy Roosevelt used to box in the in the White House. That was he put he put boxing matches on in the White House. That was how they justified it. That's fine. Did he?

SPEAKER_02 35:33

So let's talk about that. I'm curious. So the UFC 250, if we're talking about, it just happened on the White House lawn. Uh so what's your take? Uh Zach, you're thinking like you don't like that, you are don't you kind of don't care, or what's your thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 35:47

I think I think the spectacle is whatever. I'm a I'm an MMA fan for sure. Yeah. Um I'm just I kind of more to what I was commenting on earlier. I think it's interesting that the world kind of feels like it's being steered for a particular group. So whether or not the UFC happens there or not is immaterial. Right. It feels it feels a little a little Colosseum-ish. Caesar watching the the Gladiators. I was joking around with somebody and that's what came out of of a conversation while we were watching it, and we're like, that's that seems kind of sort of accurate. The winners come over and hail Caesar and and they all did. Yeah, they all did. Everybody went and paid their tithe.

SPEAKER_04 36:30

Called Michelle Obama a man. That was like, what are you doing? That's hilarious. That was like too much. But the the problem is that happened in Idiocracy too. So you have you seen the movie? Idiocracy. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's been a long time. When Terry Cruz goes on his little rant, he literally says kind of the exact same thing after the Yeah. It I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

I I guess what I wonder sometimes, like, and I agree, like everything's politicized, and I think there was like a probably a agenda behind it just being, oh, we I like the UFC and we're gonna have it here. But like at the same time, can it not just be Dana and and the president of the United States are really good buddies and they're like, you'll be sweet. Like they're sitting around like this having beers talking, and they're like, You'll be amazing if we put the UFC on the lawn of the White House and they're like, Let's do it. Like it can like I know that we I and I agree, there's a lot of times we look there are nefarious things going on in the background, or there's like uh agendas, but like sometimes can we just like I don't know sometimes? I wish it was just like, yeah, it was just two dudes who are like this would be ridiculous, we're never gonna have an opportunity again. My buddy's the president of the United States. Hey man, can we put can we do a UFC on the White House lawn? And he's like, Yes, we can.

SPEAKER_06 37:42

My question would be is of the people that were invited, was it all just handpicked?

SPEAKER_02 37:46

You know somebody because they removed uh uh what's that guy's name? He's an idiot. Sean Stressler, but yeah, he's not arrested. They moved him out of like uh Secret Service and uh sheriffs took him out.

SPEAKER_04 37:58

Did you hear about it was a publicity stunt, I think, for him. Like he's he's snuck in for that reason. But he is because he was alive the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

He's anti-Israel, uh he's basically hates the Israel agenda that he thinks Trump's on, and so he went in and he's they they removed him.

SPEAKER_06 38:12

Was uh Netanyahu there?

SPEAKER_02 38:14

No.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I think that was all just speculation. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 38:17

Did you hear about the terrorist plot that they foiled there? Yeah, I didn't I was waiting for it.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

I didn't know before it even started. I turned to Byron and the guy I watched it with and like, something is gonna happen.

SPEAKER_06 38:27

I feel like you said that when you were late the other day. I've been thinking it the whole time. Well, so what whether they So they the FBI FBI foiled a terrorist plot where these group of five dudes colluded to essentially plan to fly drones with explosives in there. Oh man. And then blow up the explosives and force people to perhaps move in a certain direction to where they would have had snipers set up to pick these people off. Yeah. Like super, super I'm and I'm so curious. Like, how did they foil this blow out?

SPEAKER_04 38:55

Oh, it's Casper Tell.

SPEAKER_06 38:57

Come on, Cascadine.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Um, there that's funny. So, like Elon posted a video about uh drones the other day on X, and he just it was like it was two soldiers training and showing, showing essentially the the drone issue. So I think it's two like special forces guys or whatever, they're saying, Yeah, here's the problem. So they're they have a guy, like their own drone guy, and said, Okay, so they we're gonna go to the trench over there, you're gonna like do what you would do if you were trying to fly, like had some explosive attached to this thing, like come at us, fly by, we're gonna see if we can shoot it out of the air. And they had like uh just their regular weapons. So and these drones are like they're not they're not what you think, like they're not like these drones that you see, like kind of like slowly walk, driving around. The so they're sitting in, and all of a sudden you hear this and like their heads are like turning like it's uh a thousand miles an hour. And they're trying, so they started trying to shoot it, and every single time they tested it, they get they would have died, they would have got killed 100% because they can't shoot that thing out of the air. There's no chance. And then they tested they had like drone rounds, and I don't know how they work. I don't know if it's more like a like a net. There wasn't a net, but I think it was like a spread or something, so they're not I can't remember an area explosion kind of something like that, and they were able to shoot it out of the air eventually, but it's like still took several times. And they would have been dead already. They would have been, yeah, screwed. And it's just like that's warfare in the future, if if unfortunately and then ergo terrorism, yeah, exactly, right?

SPEAKER_06 40:22

Exactly. Uh which is yeah, it was super wild. I I was just like, yeah, that that checks out, and like that makes sense where somebody would try and do something crazy. Um back to the Coliseum is the best thing though. So if this was because it does feel very Caesar as Caesar-ish as you say that. I is that like signaling like this is the beginning of the end of the empire?

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Because they're getting people to fight in the Coliseum? Yeah. Uh well, what was it? I think it was like Jonathan Hayde and like some other like people talking about how usually at the end of societies they get super focused on gender and a bunch of other weird things, and like because nothing to worry about anymore, so we're gonna worry about like how do you feel?

SPEAKER_06 40:58

Yeah, inconsequential things.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Yeah, and uh, and then that's kind of like was always the beginning of the end, one of the beginnings of like a end of a civilization.

SPEAKER_04 41:05

Is this the next that that being said though, like if you watch some of that 2F 250 thing, I wish I kind of wish it was a little American at the same time because it's so patriotic with the dirt bikes and then the planes are from like it it it if I was an American, I would I would be one of them. I would be all aboard, like just yeah, of course you would.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

And Get Chi's walkout, like from the from the like the Oval Office. It was no he's standing in the Oval office staring at the like uh Declaration of Independence on the wall, yeah, and he's like just kind of pacing, and then the music starts and he walks out from the Oval Office out into the lawn and down to the the ring. Oh yeah, it's I just it's messed that dude up.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Did you see the orbital sticking out of the side of his head?

SPEAKER_02 41:51

Yeah, he's crazy. His face, do you see the pictures? Dude, uh Ilya Taporia, is that his name? So that they did like I think most people thought that he was gonna walk through uh Geechee. Um and he he was a like his he was a disfigured human when he left that ring. Really? He quit. He quit between rounds. But I mean that being said the doctor said you're dead. Well he had orbital fractures, but it's a bit of both.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Wow. It was a crazy, it was crazy. Actually, did you notice that the doctor called it off at the end of the second though? No, I didn't. Doctor waved it off, and Taporia said, I want to keep on fighting.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Oh, okay. So maybe so I can't remember which which fighter. There was a fighter watching who obviously wants his title and he's he's called him a pussy. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Armin Saruki Saruki.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

You're like, well, uh I don't know. He's got two orbital fractures. I think maybe he probably shouldn't get punched in the face anymore, but I don't know. That's just me.

SPEAKER_03 42:41

Wild.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Yeah. It was a crazy fight. Is it on Paramount now? Uh so in the States it is. Uh we don't get access to that for some stupid reason.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

We don't? No. It's because the I think the the the contract with ESPN or whatever the last contract was was made longer in Canada or signed later. So we have to wait until the end of that contract for the contract stuff. Yeah, that's annoying.

SPEAKER_06 43:02

Yeah, it'd be a cool spectable, man, if you were if you could get on that invite list.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Like uh So and that's the thing. So I I don't know. Like I I'm all like you know, me, I'm I'm tinfoil hat all the time, but like I just want sometimes I just wish we could just enjoy the thing for the spectacle it is and be like absolutely no 100%.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Yeah, that was all but my brain also goes to the other things, yeah. I I get it. I get it. How long do you think it took them to clean that place out and make sure have it be secured? Oh, yeah, that's a good point. No, fighters walking over the Oval Office. Well, the infrastructure, even that was the what was going on in my head as I'm watching these guys walk through and they're on the the Knicks game too, though.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Like the amount of security they would have that Knicks game that Trump went to, it was insane.

SPEAKER_06 43:45

Well, you you gotta think the the head of security when he when he when they're like, So, sir, uh we'd like to have a UFC event at the White House. The head of security just be like, Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

I'm not gonna sleep for the next three months. Uh Nick, you brought up Nick.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

Yeah, well, I mean no, the ticket price. Prices?

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Uh no, I was gonna say have you seen uh you probably haven't seen if you're not looking, but uh have you seen the videos obviously after the next game, a bunch of crazy Hooligans destroyed the city, of course, because that's the city they won. Like it's just what are you doing? That's that's fun. Uh so they showed that video beside the video of the Japanese uh soccer team uh winning, like I think they won their their first match, but then the fans cleaning the section that they were in. Like it was spotless, and then the locker room of the Japanese team was cleaner than it was when they got there. We were animals, and it showed so it showed like just like the difference in culture between the Japanese, like uh respectful, like they're gonna make sure they clean up all the stuff and they're gonna clean up everyone else's stuff. It's not just my stuff. I'm gonna work. Oh, we'll make sure this is super good. They go, they do all their stuff, and then they showed the Knicks after after they won, and they just showed people just fighting and jumping over barriers and burning stuff and smashing vehicles with like scooters.

SPEAKER_04 44:59

Like it was just mob mentality is so dangerous. Dude, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 45:03

Do you think if you were in the middle of like a raging you have no chance, you'd be like, Yeah, fuck it. No, I would no I'm gonna flip this police car.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

No. I mean, if I covered my face, maybe. I don't mean if my friend was gonna do it, I might as well leave my head.

SPEAKER_06 45:17

Dude, I would be I'd get so far away from that place. I mean, mob mentality mentality is crazy. Uh COVID would be a great example of that. Mass uh, what do you call what do they call it? Mass formation psychosis? Yeah. Where everyone just like hysteria or something like that?

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

There was a on a very small scale, there was a training like exercise at the nursing home where they simulated a bunch of a gathering.

SPEAKER_06 45:42

A gathering?

SPEAKER_04 45:43

A gathering. A gathering. And it was all people out there who knew the game, who knew, like, yeah, we're just here to have some fun. We're just gonna, you know, just be this this rowdy group and all this kind of stuff. And uh, I was doing like a secure like uh kind of making sure everyone's safe and watching them change to straight up throwing things at the nurses. Like, like literally, it changed from like, yeah, we're just gonna just you know shake a fence, that's about it, and then I was watching, and they started to throw things and they started to yell, and then a little bit of mom mentality in a like a scenario.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

But that's literally the Stanford experiment. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. Like we've talked about this, but you know like the Stanford experiments, yeah, yeah. But the same thing, like whatever, 20 college students, and they said, Okay, uh, randomly, your prisoners, you're prison guards, and they had to shut the experiment down within like two days because the prison guards were abusing the prisoners who are literally their friends two days earlier. It's just like it's just a weird mentality you get into. Man, we we are a flawed species. It's so bad.

SPEAKER_04 46:40

It's so bad.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

There's a that's if you haven't watched that, and uh there's a there's documentaries about that, and it's so interesting to watch because they have video of like them just deteriorating into psychos as prison guards abusing their friends. Ah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Well, isn't there like a whole um community hierarchy? Like there's a leader, there's a joker, a jester, there's an enforcer, and there's a something else. And no matter how you delineate people, those it always forms that way. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

Those roles will fill.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

Those will roles will always fill. Yeah, you could you could split the the group in half and it'll people will take on those roles.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

Yeah, I I could see that. That's but that's the same idea of like this this this like I wonder if that's cultural based though.

SPEAKER_04 47:22

If you if you did the same experiment in Japan, where they're that that other the soccer game you were mentioning, would that still happen?

SPEAKER_02 47:28

So I want so I so I actually uh made a comment on what like I'm trying to be I'm trying to be active on X. I don't know why. I'm making comments on things. Don't do that. I don't know why. Don't start dabbling. So literally like two days ago I started making comments on things. I gotta stop probably. Uh but one of them was about that that video, and I was my question was like like like what is the difference? Like why? Why is the culture that different than the North American culture? Like, and what would have to be done to be that? Like now? Is it possible? I don't even think it's possible.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

We can't course correct over here.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

I I think you could, but I think it would be take to take things that people aren't willing to do, like insanely severe punishment for cutting hands are off. Yeah, literally, literally. No, yeah, you're right. Yeah, but like so Japan's not doing that, but like they probably have a history of punishing like misbehavior severely, which maybe caused that culture to turn into like as respectful as it is on the surface. Because that's the other problem. The thing with Japan is it's also super weird. Like there's some really weird under under culture stuff that like is hidden because on the surface they're all very like Tokyo's super clean, everyone's very respectful. Um, but I'm very curious as to like why they're like that compared to like we're obviously nowhere near that.

SPEAKER_06 48:49

I wonder if it has to do because it was such an isolationist culture for so long, and I mean it still is.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

But I I don't know if that's the case. I mean, yes it is, but I I think I bec they're always like samurais. You'd look back at like the samurai ideas, right? Like they were very uh uh disciplined and it was about like respect.

SPEAKER_06 49:08

But that's my point. It was so isolationist and it has stayed that way that no outside influences have really changed that culture.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

And they've been good at stopping, they they don't want outside influence. Yeah, like the the immigration's like almost zero.

SPEAKER_06 49:19

Like that's that's a culture that literally used to shove a sword through their stomach if they did things wrong. Sepuku.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

The other thing I find interesting about the Japanese culture is they they also um idea. They've done some horrendous things in their history that people just kind of forget about.

SPEAKER_06 49:36

Like they just kind of like that camp, like 764 or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

Well, there's a book called The Rape of Nanking. Yeah. Where they go into China and within a day they like torture and murder like a hundred thousand Chinese people.

SPEAKER_04 49:49

I mean, to be fair, like the states have done some things together.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

No, I agree, but I'm just saying that like for some reason everyone views the Japanese culture as oh, they're very respectful, like, oh, they're so nice. And then, but like they they they were as bad as Germany in World War II, if not worse. And you it's just interesting to see like that you kind of forget about that.

SPEAKER_06 50:09

Yeah, everybody just kind of pushed that one aside.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

Yeah, just because they're cleaner. Maybe. I don't freaking know. It's weird. Oh, dude. Or they're or they're just they're just like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. We didn't do that. Yeah, prove it. Yeah, prove it. Prove it. Just deny, deny, deny.

SPEAKER_06 50:21

Step one of managing a crisis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

Uh yeah, the camp where they used to do all those biological experiments and uh prisoners, like some oh, some of the World War II Japanese, Japanese people like the Japanese like scientists were doing yeah crazier things than the Germans in some ways. There is an old jocko podcast about it.

SPEAKER_06 50:38

Yes, uh, it's like four hours long and it is fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

Super. And that book there's that that book, Rape of Nan King, is messed up. But every culture has, you know, some real dark things. No, they 100% do. And the thing is, today, guess what? I had no control over that. And so like I don't need to feel bad about it. No, you do you need to feel bad about it. You need to feel bad about it. I don't, I don't need to feel bad about my ancestors doing things uh that I had no control over, nor would I do to this day because I don't believe the things they did, because they believe things differently back then because they had a different view of the world.

SPEAKER_04 51:15

We got a little bit into this last time, didn't we? I don't know. We always do. We can move on.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

We can move on. I don't I just I just get riled up.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

There was Yeah. What? Uh yeah. No, you're right, and I do get riled up about it too, but like you're just farting against thunder is essentially what we're doing there. I'm sorry. I hate that. CJ, no, you hate it. I know you hate it.

SPEAKER_06 51:39

No, because it bothers you dreaming into the abyss. Picture you just like standing out in my front yard with your ass to the sky being like, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 51:46

At least I'm sun in my butthole.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

Just waiting for that, waiting for it.

SPEAKER_04 51:50

Just waiting. Okay, there's the lightning. The timing would be hard, I think. It would be better. Yeah, you'd have to really exercise my muscles.

SPEAKER_06 51:59

SpaceX. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

So anyway, I want in. I want in, but I want it. I'm my goal is I I'm gonna wait for it to hit. I I uh I'm hoping it goes to 100 or less. Did you look at it?

SPEAKER_04 52:11

Did you see how some of the stocks were tied to Twitter and then he joined that company with another company, and then he joined that company with another company?

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Uh so he, yeah, so I don't understand that. Well, there are shareholder options, like I think with with different levels of like so like it went up 50%. So he's worth who I don't even know. He's the same trillionaire, essentially. He's like worth more than everyone in the whole world. I don't know, something crazy. Um, but like there so basically he had the option to like buy this out this company, or I can't remember. So he's basically X X AI is their like uh AI company that's merged, and there's a whole bunch of other things. So that's not just SpaceX.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

A couple different mergers that happened and it all got put into SpaceX. So people who own stocks in Twitter or sorry, no, Twitter is one of them.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Sorry, X, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:53

Um ended up like the way it was done. I'm like, that seems greasy, but it's so smart. I feel I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

I think it's just that he's just kind of he's just all of his things that he's in part of, he's kind of put it into this thing.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

So is that why it's worth so much? Because I think you and I were talking about it actually also. Like, why is SpaceX worth?

SPEAKER_02 53:10

It shouldn't be. That's the thing, is like anyone who's any analysts who have looked at it is that's why they're saying this is going to have to drop because they don't have they don't have the income, like they're not making that money to even become close to that valuation.

SPEAKER_06 53:23

But many, many, many, many, many stocks, including all like the magnetics.

SPEAKER_02 53:26

Everything's seven, everything's high, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:28

Everything trades at a multiple of earnings, right? Like, yes. But this is like an insane.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

What is it earning? Uh, I can't remember.

SPEAKER_06 53:34

It's not even close to like I think I yeah, I have no idea. But like you also have to think. So, my my premise of this whole SpaceX thing, like, I I'm not like a fantastic investment uh person, but I try. And in the next 30 years, I think as far as like where the human race is going, SpaceX will be a like a very large focus for me, being like this company, it will be the most valuable company in the world. I agree in the world. There's no doubt about it.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

I I that's what that's what my thing is. I completely agree. That's why I do want I want in because I think have you seen like Micron? Do we talk about this last time? Or we maybe we just talk about it individually. Like Micron is this company that's basically uh I think it's like um a storage kind of a thing. It went from it went up like a thousand percent basically this year. It went from like a hundred dollars to like 17 or 1200 worth per stock. Um I just think that long term this doesn't fail. And if we get hit struck by an asteroid, or obviously that doesn't not nothing, nothing lasts. But if the world can continue to go on the way it's going with uh innovation in technology, increasing in uh artificial intelligence, all these things, he I don't think that this can fail. Currently, though, I I get like you like you said, why it should not be worth the number that it is based on its earnings at even close, not even close, which is why most people are like it's gonna have to crash. And and also the history of IPOs in general is that like it might have an initial burst and then they're gonna tank pretty hard, and then they'll go back up to potentially all-time highs. Um I'm hoping that happens because I do want to get in, but I just I can't do that.

SPEAKER_06 55:12

But you can also get in now, and if you're willing to get 20 years, like yeah, here's the thing there will be like the technology that SpaceX is developing, and as far as reusable rockets and space travel and exploration, fantastic. But then you think about all the other things that can happen in space as far as data centers and science things, right? Like all the there's a lot of upside to doing a lot of things in space that you can't do on the planet.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

The the I I saw an article the other day about like what about their kind of plans for the moon and like the idea of like this the data centers and like all these things up there that would be so much cheaper than doing it here, like once you get there and establish. Um yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's gonna be so I I'm literally debating, so I I'm waiting to drop, but I actually on the way here I was thinking about it and I was like, you know what? Like, why wouldn't I just buy one? Like buy one stock now, buy one in a month, buy one next month. Like, and then that way even yeah, so yeah, it's high now. Maybe it drops uh maybe it goes half, so maybe it goes from 200 to 100, whatever. So I'll buy one there, and now I I'm at 150, and now I'll buy another one there. Like, I'm just thinking maybe I'm gonna I I just feel like I don't want to miss out, and I know it's stupid because that that FOMO kills people, but yeah, I don't think you're gonna miss out on anything.

SPEAKER_06 56:23

You got a lot of years to go.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

And that's the thing, I do view it as a long-term play. I don't think it's something you like. I mean, so obviously day traders could try to hit the swings and stuff, but that's not my goal. My goal is like I think it's a long-term play, just like my Tesla stock. I don't I I have no plans on selling it because I think in ten years it's gonna be worth like a thousand dollars more than it is now.

SPEAKER_06 56:44

So yeah. No, I uh where where the human race is going and the technology that like yeah you know is coming, it's makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_02 56:52

Yeah, I don't know. It's I just I'm a little obsessed with watching that right now.

SPEAKER_06 56:55

So or if we get hit by an asteroid, we're fucked. Yeah, but that that doesn't matter because it's the way we all are.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

Well, then you're then you're dead anyway. Like, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_06 57:01

Have you watched the dinosaur documentary on Netflix? No.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

So did you watch the the newest one?

SPEAKER_06 57:06

Is a new one? I think it's fairly new. It's got Morgan Freeman narrating it or something like that. Is he 90?

SPEAKER_04 57:12

I've heard if you watch it, like there's a lot of facts in there that are like, how did they know this?

SPEAKER_06 57:16

Yes, we have asked that question multiple times, but it's so so we have I'm gonna finish the last episode tonight when you guys leave. I'm super excited. Yeah. Uh get out of my house. Get out of my house.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

Wherever spoiler alert they die. I know. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 57:29

But okay, this is blowing my mind. I don't know if it'll blow your mind. If you think about um how long the human race has been around and like conservatively 300,000 years, maybe longer. Uh, and then you think about how long dinosaurs were around for like dinosaurs around 100 million years. Really?

SPEAKER_04 57:48

Really? And they didn't invent iPhones or anything like that? Yeah, we're doing way better than them. Maybe.

SPEAKER_06 57:54

That is so fucking long, dude. That is. But I'm back to what he said. How do we know that? I I don't know. Like how do we know that? Yeah. I'm sure science.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

Oh shoot, we forgot about that.

SPEAKER_06 58:06

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_04 58:08

So science is settled on the dinosaur age. Got it. I watched a YouTube video on carbon dating, so I I know it's alright.

SPEAKER_06 58:14

No, but like I Are you really questioning how we know how long the dinosaurs are?

SPEAKER_04 58:18

Um yeah, like in in like a general but you believe that the timelines that are established by scientists are are accurate. Not sorry, are realistic. I don't know how to say that.

SPEAKER_06 58:32

Maybe not to the human uh the the human race or human development, but I think to dinosaurs, I think they're pretty accurate. Why okay?

SPEAKER_02 58:39

Here's a question. If you don't think that they can get it accurate, the human race, or even the age of the pyramids, if they can't get that correct, and we think that they're wrong about that, why do we think that they're accurate about the age of the dinosaurs?

SPEAKER_06 58:56

Well, you've you've listened to Graham Hancock, have you not? Have you listened to his most recent one on Diary of a CEO? No. Really cool. You should listen to it. Is it recent? Yeah, I think within the last couple weeks. I think there's a lot of dogma attached to archaeology when it comes to and history and stuff when it comes to the human race.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:13

I don't think there's as much dogma attached to the dinosaur thing, that you'd be a little bit more objective.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

Um, I think that you're potentially right, but like I don't like. So when I grew up, I was told dinosaurs are that the earth is six thousand years old. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 59:30

Who told you that?

SPEAKER_02 59:31

Uh obviously the Bible. Uh there's a there's a lot, that's it. No, I'm not I'm not even joking. There is a lot of religious people from an ideological perspective who believe that all of this dinosaur stuff is BS and that the world is 6,000 years old because based on the Bible's estimate of time, that that's all it could be. But you're not one of those people right now? No, but I'm just I was worried.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

You were feeling it too. I was like, oh no, it's worried about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

No, but I'm saying that's how I that's how I grew up.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:11

How have these people been to the dinosaur museum in Drumhell?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:13

But they're no, but they're creationists. So they believe that um that at some point God basically was like and everything was created. And so there was no prior like evolution that was required to increase this like uh ability for like to have these different species and stuff that you don't think that's real. They think that it was just like creation, and then there's people, there was there was animals, and there was then Adam and Eve, and then from Adam and Eve came all humans.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

So what what do creationists think? I don't know. Like, what do they like flatter earthers have their theories? Like, what do creationists creationists think about like dinosaur bones?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:51

Like, are they just like they're wrong? I don't know if there's an answer other than they're just wrong. Like carbon dating isn't doesn't work, it's wrong, yeah, yeah. And that it's just like there's I don't know if there's a I've never it's been a long time since I've looked into this stuff, but that's essentially at the end of the day, nope, they're wrong, they can't be right because this because he it was everything was created, and so there was a like a an like a definite start point that was six approximately six thousand years ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:21

Like a bang or something, you're saying not a bang, can't be a bang. You can't say like a bigger no no no no no no no no bang.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

There was no bang, a larger bang spoken into existence. Boom. Creation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:35

Do you have anything you believe in that it's like that? Like the creationist, like that jackpot theory or whatever, crackpot theory.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

No, okay, you don't here, but here's my problem. I think that if you really wrap your try to wrap your head around the Big Bang Theory, it's as unbelievable as creationism. And I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying that like I'm just saying from a logistics standpoint, and from and that this is where like the creationists would like I think argue is like, well, that's even harder to believe than the fact that there was an all no all-knowing being that essentially created this thing and it was magically, it was boom, it was there. And I I don't disagree to think that like essentially two particles smashing each other to cause this thing that somehow a primordial ooze was created, which created us today talking on this mic, and you're listening in your ears somehow through magic. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think that somehow that that's differ very, very difficult to wrap your head around as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:32

I tried to explain my six-year-old like two days ago about he's like, Well, how did we come from monkeys? I'm like, Yeah, well, they told him how did we come from fish? And then it's like I'm like, oh and I tried, and at the end of the day, I'm like, I just one fish loves another fish. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I walked up like honey, can we just go to church? Is that like can we just do that instead? Because this is a weird thing. It's not gonna solve your problems either, necessarily.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:52

But you need to listen to Michelle Fowler on Joe Rogan. Oh, yeah. Uh it talks about the Big Bang. Super neat.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

No, it is. It's but here's I completely agree. It's neat, and I that's where I'm at. I think that's probably what that's what happened. I I think that's probably what happened. I don't think we'd know, but I think that's probably what happened. But I I do think that is that is as hard to comprehend for a bunch of reasons. One of them is the lapse of time. Do you know who you know what really explains? Do you read uh um Rob uh Brown, uh DaVinci Code? Yep. Um Dan Brown. Thank you, Dan Brown. Uh his um Not Inferno there was Dante Code, it's the second last one. It wasn't the newest one, but the second last one. There was basically this idea that there's this quantum computer that was built. And this is like one of the best explanations I've ever had for this idea of how to wrap your head around evolution and the Big Bang. Essentially, there was a quantum computer that was built that the Catholic Church was essentially trying to destroy. Uh if spoiler alert, I think I'm quite I don't, it's been a while since I've read it, but it's approximately right. Essentially, what it did is that because this quantum computer can can deal with data so quickly, right, that no other computer can, which is true if we ever get quantum computers that work really well. When? Yeah, when it can run simulations uh spanning millions of years in a time period that doesn't mean we're all dead. Because like right now, we couldn't do that with our current computers. We couldn't run a simulation over how how old is the earth? Approximately 4.5 billion. Okay, 4.5 billion years. We would never be able to run a simulation on a current computer to like have an idea of what that looks like. Because that timescale doesn't work in our head just like Elon Musk's worth being worth a trillion dollars doesn't work in our head. Um, so in this book, they basically explain that this guy develops a software program to show to basically prove that evolution is real, and he proves it because he's able to run simulations on a quantum computer that shows that however many times he does it, it ends up with life over X amount of millions of billions of years. And it's a it's a really I the book is really interesting. I I like I like his books in general, but this one I found super interesting. Um and I think that's I think that's the case. I think that like we don't have an ability to understand if the earth is that old, what can take place in that amount of time.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:17

No, because you can't conceptualize time.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

It's impossible. It's literally impossible, it's impossible. And so that's what like I it's weird, and I know it's a fiction book. I understand everybody, I don't freak out. I get that it's fiction, but it really made me kind of wrap my head around the idea of just the scale of time and our inability to comprehend it. And so that's where I was like, okay, like yes, the the Big Bang in theoretically is hard to like wrap your head around and make sense of, but give it a billion years. And like, okay, you're like, okay, that's a long time. Things can happen.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:51

But that's why I find this dinosaur thing so interesting to try and even think about you know these things because there's there's this period of time in the dinosaur uh Documentary where all these volcanoes go off, and Pangaea at the time is especially around the equator. It's all just like barren, hot desert. Like nothing can live there. It's fucking awful. All these volcanoes go off, release a bunch of CO2 in the air, and it causes rain for two million years. Oh, it's got a lot of things. How do they know that? Yeah, that I agree. That one I don't know. Geology, sentiment layer.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

Like I'm sure buzzwords.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:29

You can't be skeptical about how they know that when we're we literally know nothing. We're the th th three dumbest people here.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:39

But like so, but like so just one second. Do you do you not understand? Like, I agree with him. Like, how can we know that?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

I'm just devil's advocating it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:47

No, but I agree with you. Like, I just feel like it's a I'm not on his team.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Oh, sorry. I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:54

I just feel like it's not it's unknowable. I I think you can make inferences based on whatever data you collect if that is your specialty in science.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

But we're talking about a timescale that literally doesn't compute in our head.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:05

But the Earth maintains records of that physically, right? That's why that's why carbon dating works, because the universe has a certain amount of carbon and radioisotopes and things I don't understand. Good words. Good words. Good words. Fuck you. Radio isotopes.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:20

You had us. Yes. Isotopes. I was on yeah, I'm on CJ's time.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:23

Okay. Yeah. I I think I think if you yeah, I think if you want to answer that question, you've got to go learn yourself some uh geology. I don't want to I don't want to, I don't have time.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:30

The evolution thing is neat to me like because when I was explaining it to my child, he's like, well, what if humans evolved to? So I and I'm like, oh. So he was wondering, like, since humans have been around, what evolutionary things do we now possess than we didn't a thousand years ago or five hundred years ago? And I couldn't appendix.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:46

No appendix.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:47

No. 500 years ago?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

There was No, there's no difference.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

I mean technology and like So this is why the thing, I've tried and explained the mass amount of time in like 500 years, humans have not enough humans have not evolved in 500 years where we're at, right? We've almost height.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

There's probably something like height. Yeah, there probably is.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:02

Yeah. But like minor differences, but you think about the vast differences between species and how many years that would take. Then so that that's where it's hard to look at.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:09

But that's where this dinosaur thing comes into play is it's the trillion dollars that Elon Musk has. If humans have been around for 300,000 years, that's not a long time. Whereas if you take the dinosaurs for a hundred million years, yeah, a lot of shit can change.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

Yeah. Yeah. Cause like I I think like if you looked it up, I'm sure you'd find like the average height in the world has increased over the 500 years. Like it's taller. Yeah. And so like you add another 500, and again, that's a small scale. 500 years sounds like a lot to us. It's nothing. Like it's literally a blank. Yeah. Uh so just just uh from a scale perspective, I saw a thing the other day saying that if you have one dollar in your bank account, you're closer to Jeff Bezos, who has 200 and some billion, then Jeff Bezos is to Elon Musk at trillion. Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:57

And you're right, it was five foot five, five hundred years ago. They they estimate. I was even tall then. Through carbon dating. Radioisotopes.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:05

I was I was tall for that time.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:07

The females were 4'11 to 5'1. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:10

Dude, if you want to see a crazy graph, look at the history of the earth.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:15

Look at the history of the earth. I think it's just devolved. And then see what little slice of the pie humans have existed for. Yeah, that's it. Something like 0.07%. Oh god. Do you just it was raining for two million years?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:27

I don't want to be around.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

Yeah, no kidding. I'm out.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

I was I had enough trouble with the four days of rain that we had in two million years.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

I started thinking like, is my house gonna flood? This is BS, when's it gonna stop? Um yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:43

What what what wacky belief do you have? Yeah. That you want to throw up there that we can just do that. Or do you want to take this fucking left turn of a podcast?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

I have no fucking clue. It's all plausible. That's the way my brain works, it's all plausible. That's why I wanted to become a pastifarian, because it's all plausible.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:57

What the fuck is a pastifarian?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

It's like a rastifarian. Yeah. But with postifying. You can become a Nordane minister in the as a pastifarian.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

Are you inviting us to your own religion?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

We do want to start a column.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:12

We do actually want to start that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

Because the the idea that there's a god that created us is the same that there's a flying spaghetti monster out there that also controls us and demands that we wear colanders on our head. Because those are the guys who can get their license. Flying spaghetti monsters. Wow. With a colander on your head if you are a member of the the Pastafarians.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:30

I mean, it could have it could be true. Same anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

Same probability. Um are we allowed to bring this up? Did you ask him?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:39

No. Okay. I didn't ask him.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

I he just told me what he told me an interesting fact about his friend Zach that I wanted to talk about because I'm super interested in religion. Okay. Uh so uh I understand that you either grew up or you used to be Jehovah's Witness. Yeah. No way. Okay. Um so I read a book, uh, not I don't know, maybe a while ago now, but it was called uh Leaving the Witness, and it was by Amber Scorer. And it was I so I grew up like kind of fundamental, like full gospel Christian, so like the create the ones who were raising their hands and doing that kind of stuff. Um and like and yeah, dude. Like, is this part of it? Yeah, it is. And uh like speaking in tongues and all that kind of stuff. That's how I what I grew up around. Um so I was curious because I I I knew obviously Jehovah's Witnesses because they're pretty good about coming to people's doors and knocking and saying, Do you do you know the way? Or here's your here's a here's a pamphlet. Um so I was real, I'm obviously I've never met somebody who was in it and isn't anymore. Yeah. And I'm just curious, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:35

Shoot, what do you want to know?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

Everything. Uh so do you you grew up in like you were born into that? Yeah, yeah. When did you decide that that wasn't for you?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:45

My late teens, early twenties.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

Okay, yeah, about the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

Yeah. But I like actually it's it's an it's an oddity where it's like one of those things where I don't know that I ever actually believed either. Like it when you're immersed in the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

Because you're born into it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

Yeah. So maybe leaving was easy, because right.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:04

But uh, I mean you can see you say that, but like obviously you're not just leaving like an ideology, like you're leaving like the community. Yeah. In a lot of ways. And I think Jehovah's Witnesses are probably So I was removed though.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

So I lost it all, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

Yeah. So you so you because essentially it's like almost being shunned. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Which is very, very different than like I think in some communities where it's just like you're like, ah, I'm not really interested anymore, and you move away. But like, so did you like kind of like express that your doubts and then it was like your hey, get out of here?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:38

And I have many questions, like I'm gonna ask a lot of dumb questions about the shunning portion because I wonder if it was a ceremony or firework. Like, what did I like? So yeah, I'm I'm curious about that. Okay, sorry, where what was your first question?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:49

Uh so like did was it like you kind of were you did you express your doubts and then you kind of were eventually just told like you can't be here anymore because of your doubt, or how'd that work?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:59

Uh the removal was more about just doing stuff that wasn't okay with the doctrine. Like smoking, smoking and fucking and drinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:06

Did you say doctor?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

Doctrine.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:08

Oh, doctrine, yeah, yeah, okay. That's what I used. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

So I yeah. I I somebody saw me smoking. Yeah. And then I had a visit from an elder.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:20

And then I thought to myself, well, maybe I'll give this a real shot. Because at that point I was kind of living a full-on double life. Right. I was doing all the stuff, but also being a full-time minister and sermoning in front of everybody and all that sort of shit. So then I uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:35

Sorry, how old are you at this time? Like 17, 18?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:38

I think it's like between 19 and 20. Like I right around there. So they put together a a committee that so I was living a pretty hard double life, and I figured maybe I'll clean this all up. Right. The committee decided.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

Satophoria, which is in in retrospect, um, you are thankful for. Like if you if they had said come back, they said, Okay, you know what, we're gonna forgive you. Um, you need to change your behavior, but yeah, we'll welcome you back. Do you think you'd still be there?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

That's a really good question. I hon I honestly don't know. Yeah. I remember I had a conversation with uh one of my best friends at the time who was also in the church because all my friends were in the church. Yeah, of course. And I felt he was a friend that I could have um objective conversation with where like I could question things and we would have conversations, and I at no point did I ever feel like he had a problem with it. Yeah, and one day I remember asking a question that I don't remember the question to, but his answer to me was to be a good Christian, you can't be a thinking person. You just have to some things you just have to believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:40

Yeah, faith.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:41

And in my head, that was like, oh, well, that's it's gonna be a struggle. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:46

But were you allowed to be a part of the hearing itself, like the actual discussion about the decision about it?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:53

No, I sat down and they said, What did you do? And I sat with these three guys and and then Is there an appeal?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:59

Can you be like, hey? I don't know. So did they all yell shame as you walked out like ha sorry, this is me being obtuse. How does that is it just like you just you're done, you can't come in, and then that's it?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:11

You can show up, but nobody will talk to you, and many won't acknowledge you.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:15

Um your obviously your parents, uh, and so do you have sibl siblings as well? Were they there? So were they because I I don't I don't understand that as a parent, like in terms of like if someone tells me, yeah, you can alone talk to a kid, I'd be like, good luck with that. But I know I know I know that in an ideology it's very different because that's that's everything. So did you find like where they had no problem with the decision and they're like, Yep, see ya? Yep, okay, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

My like so you can you can be they call it reinstated. So if you you you essentially live like it's but it's beyond repentance because you have to go go on a period of time without so nobody in the community will talk to you, right? And you also can't foster relationships outside the community, so you need to live a solitary, repentant, penitent life, right? And then eventually, I guess if you do that long enough, I couldn't tell you all the right ins and outs of it, but you can so this is like 1920, so you get basically kicked out in 1920.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:12

I am old. 19 or 20 years old. Uh you're Manitoba, yeah. Yep. Um, and then you just are like, all right, peace, and you bailed.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:21

Essentially, my old man told me start start showing up to the church or leave. And I said, Okay, I'll be gone by Friday.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:27

Okay, and then did you move to Alberta? Or would happen? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:30

I lived in no you lived out there for a while. Oh, all over the place. Life was in shambles for a number of years. I was in some pretty shitty situations and stuff. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

Interesting. Um, do you think that so like do you think that after you left, was there like uh almost like a mourning period? Because I mean it's hard to look because you're not just losing like you're not just questioning your ideas about like God and life, but you've lost your connection to family, which is crazy, and to community, and potentially like purpose.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:04

Do you find that like that was like did you like process that or do you think you just kind of like went day to day and just like pushed forward?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:12

For a long time, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

I would say I would say that was would be my existence, probably all the way through my 20s to be uh when do you think that you actually like sat down and processed that and like really kind of started to develop like your own ideas on thoughts and like what you think about like even like God or the idea of that that's a big question? Um if you don't answer, I just find this so interesting because I I I find ideology and religion so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:40

It's not a matter of not wanting to answer, yeah. It's just a funny I like I remember there being so 9-11 happened. I remember 9-11 happening, yeah, and I remember watching that video, and my knee-jerk reaction was to pray.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:52

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:54

Which then pissed me off at myself. What the fuck is going on here? I'm out of this thing. I don't believe this bullshit, but my knee-jerk reaction was to pray. So when did that reflex disappear? It took a long time. I like I would say it took a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:10

Do you think I I find that super I find that super interesting because like um so like for just uh some so for me I found I I very much got was like angry about for or angry for a long time about that or now I had such a vicious visceral reaction to like thoughts about that, yeah, about like whatever, about God about about the ideas I came from. I had like a visceral reaction to the someone said to me, Well, I just that's just faith. I'm like, what like no, like think like the critical thinking, like and that but I feel like I'm kind of I've softened a lot because I'm kind of more confident in like alright, I I maybe I process that better now that I'm older. Do you do you think that you went through that process of like that visceral reaction to like to like now you're kind of like yeah, people like live and lit live or whatever?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:59

I don't know where you're at, but yeah, no, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:02

I was I was angry for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:05

Did you find there was a void almost like after you left that community? Did you find and you know that like it's kind of a personal question? Do you find there was a little bit of a void in your not belief system, but like a gap that you'd have to like fill with something? Do you know what I mean by that? Like Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:19

So how how deep do you want to go on the whole thing?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:21

I'm just curious because like anyone who goes with a life change, there's always a void if they they're missing out on something, and what what do you do to kind of counter that?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:28

So the the the most fucked up effect that I would say that happened to me was that a belief can cause people that love you to remove themselves from you, which which was which messed me up for I think it's fair to say decades. Yeah. Because it's like, how do you how do you believe how do I believe that my friend cares about me when my brother, sister, mom and dad can be like, we don't believe the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:55

So like how do you trust anyone? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:59

And then at some point you either had to decide too, or because it was a pretty like in as much as I I have and always have had friends, yeah. I had when I had that sort of mindset, I lived solitary with people, if that makes any sense. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:15

So like you distance yourself because you're like right, because eventually everybody's gonna leave. Yeah. Yeah, that's harsh.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

I I think there's a little bit of of a correlation between that and like the the certain job that you know the nursing home we are in where I have distrust over some people who aren't in that community. You know what I mean? And and I find it hard to to to establish like emotional connection with people who are not having those same experiences that we have. Absolutely, yep, 100%. So that would be really tough, especially when pretty much every do you still communicate with anyone who's still in well in the church or like is there still uh the like the fundamental answer is yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

My so my my dad passed away just this past September, and so um I went back home for five days, and that was the first time me and my brother, sister, and mom and dad were in the same room in the last 26 or 27 years. Oh my god. I didn't see my sister since she was 14 or 15. That's crazy. Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:14

And they they're still all in? 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:17

Has that that barrier that they put up softened a bit as far as like the connection between it's such a I don't it's it's nonsensical, so it's like it's hard to describe that barrier bit. Um so I like I've I've had ex-partners come with me, like when I go back to Winnipeg, I would always swing by the house and make sure everybody's alive. See my mom and dad. Yeah. Um and the comment that I would always get from them when we leave is like, you told me that they don't talk to you, but it's obvious your parents love you. And I would say it is, but they won't have they won't be integrated into my life. Right. So like I I showed CJ. Me and my mom are more at odds these days, because like the loophole in the faith is that she can have contact with me if it's around details, it seems that around details of either her health or what's gone on with the estate and stuff like that. So she will send me texts that's like just so you know, cleaning up dad's stuff and blah blah blah blah blah. Just want you to know I love you. So she uses this loophole to get to this. And I sent her a message one day that was just like, Look, let's stop fucking around. Right, believe what you want. I don't want you to change what you believe, but stop. Let's like let's stop this dance and just say, Hey Zach, how are you?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:34

Right. Yeah. And just that wall's still up.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:38

So I I don't know if you call I don't know, like But it is because it's because it's an ideology. It's like you can't, there's no reasoning from it. There's rules, and the rules are this, and then you will obey them or you will not be in the the church. And I find that Jay I didn't know much about the Jehovah's Witnesses I read that book a little bit, and again, I obviously doesn't make me an expert, but it makes it seems very similar in the way that like other communities um have strict adherence, strict rules, and if you don't obey those rules, you're no longer part of the community. And and that's like maybe different than like obviously Catholicism and like the the way, even the way I grew up, it was not that way. Like you're gonna have connection with your kids and your family, even though if they don't aren't living the way you want them to.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:16

But also the severity of the consequence because it is a closed community, was like you go to having friends to not, because it's also very much against the so like even my the fucked up thing is even my friends who were on the fringe that I was going and drinking with when I once I got kicked out of the church also stopped talking to me, which makes no sense because we're doing all the same shit together. They were with me.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:40

Seriously, like it's you didn't rant them out, so that's that's that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:45

Yeah. He's like, boys, like no, we're not we're not you're not coming, like but that that that's how severe that like yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:53

It's weird.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:54

If if you think about it, I mean for the from the human standpoint, knowing that we all need deep like social connections, that is like the most severe punishment. Oh fuck, yeah. Like that is insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

Like, yeah, I like I I tumbled into depression and wanted to die and all this shit, right? Like, and I understand it now outside of it, but at the time, though it was you're just in it. Yeah, but also don't you could just don't know like where does where's your value? Where's your yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:23

You only you only know what you know. Like that that's a weird saying, but it's true, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:27

Yeah, but also opening up like to the the fact that not all people are like all the people that you knew, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:34

Because you like that's and we talk about this a lot, like it's very the idea of like an average or normal is so skewed based on who you are grow up around or who you live with, or those things you you think, oh this is normal, but you don't know 99% of the people in the world. So, like, how do you how is that even a thing in your head? Like you we but we all get that way because it's just the people you surround yourself with, yeah. And then when that changes, it's just like wait a minute, I don't I don't know. I don't even know what's going on. Like, who am I?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:03

It's almost not it's not nearly as comparable, but you think about deplatforming of people and just the premise of it, right? Of like, hey, you are no longer relevant in this community, like we're removing you from it. It is like it's such a common human punishment, uh, but then you forget everything on the other side of the people that like are forced to deal with it then as like the person receiving the punishment. It's tough, man. That's uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:29

Do you think if you if you look back, um it's hard, it's hard because obviously the lens of today and who you are now, um, but do you think that in a different world where you can make a different choice you would have stayed or could or should like it's hard because I know now you feel it's it's you have these ideas, but like do you I guess the question is do you think the people who are in that community are genuinely um happy, satisfied with life, they're living their life and they're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:03

I think so. Yeah, like I I can honestly say that I don't know that I ever believed. Yeah. Like I was immersed in it, but I don't know that I ever believed. I remember I remember my mom and dad talking to me about their relationship with God.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:18

And I couldn't ever relate. I could parrot it back so I could like Of course. Yeah, you knew the right words. I could yeah, I could sell it to everybody that had a relationship, but I can't say that I ever I never fostered one. I never like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:29

I I am I I completely feel what you're saying because I felt very much the same way. Like I grew up when when we go like every summer we go to these camps, and like there was like the things people, oh yeah, like I I see this, I feel this, I all these things. And at the time you're like, Yeah, yeah, me too. But then you kind of grow up and you learn some things, and you're like, this is human psychology. This is literally group think. This is I you know one of my biggest epiphanies was I went to a concert. I went to uh I can't even remember what concert it was, and the same like feeling of connection and like let electric atmosphere in a concert where it's just it's a group of people enjoying a thing that is fun, it's uh impressive, whatever the the word is, and I'm like, oh, this is the same thing. This is the same. I'm sharing this moment with a whole bunch of people in a really fun environment, and I feel something, I feel the energy, whatever that word is, right? And I'm like, oh, this is this is that. It's just that in that world of like religion, it's like it's the same thing. You're you're listening like for us, we like you sing songs and you're doing these things, and you you feel a connection to whatever you're doing. And I'm like, oh, I can explain everything that I thought that I felt growing up, um, in terms of like, oh, that was God or whatever. I can explain that all now based on human. Psychology and science, like uh hormones, chemicals in my brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

And I like actually that's a really good point. You you kind of I think that there's also the layer of, and I don't know what you felt or what your experience was with leaving religion or whatever, but there's the layer that your community is insulated, and then you have relationships on top of this insulated thing. Yeah, so so then going outside of that and just meeting somebody and starting to be their friend, there's all there's like something missing for a lot of years. Yeah, and like I didn't even think about it as you were just talking about it. I'm like, Yeah, of course, because everybody, everybody around you has the same ideology, so all the same, all the same, all the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:34

It's kind of like the next game, right? We're talking, Mo, when like there's a group of people, and then everyone has that same kind of mentality and you're just in it and you don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:43

But like everyone's been to a concert where they're just like or or like you hear uh a song that gives you like goosebumps, like you have an afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:51

It's a limbic response.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:52

100%. You add there's a physical reaction to something that shouldn't have a physical reaction. Uh it's an emotion that you have a physical reaction to. Like I I'm a sucker for music, I love music, and so I'll scroll Instagram and like I'll get on this thing of where there's just giving me like new to new music, and like just and it like I love amazing singers, and all of a sudden I'm just getting like emotional listening to somebody sing, and I'm like, that is that is it. That is just a weird it's a human response, some for some reason, to things that are like either impressive or you have a connection, you feel a connection to. And I'm like, oh, that's explainable.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:27

But it's not just the connection to the thing, it's the fact that we are also connected to the thing that then connects us. Yes, I without like it's it's the that's what I'm saying. That extra connection. Yeah. And as you were talking, that's the like it find it struck me. I didn't even think about it before in my life, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:40

Like, yeah, that feeling is is all like I've paid obscene amount of money for concerts over and over and over again. Honestly, for that, yeah, a little bit of that reason. Like it it is a great feeling, though. It is that everybody's connected and we're doing the same thing, we're all there, not worshiping the same thing, but we're all like essentially in it, that thing, like in that song, in that artist.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:00

Yeah, the word worship's weird, right? Because it has that connotations of like religion, but like and and then and like almost devotion to something. Like so, like you go to a I know it's gonna sound weird, and I'm not a loser. Josh Groben is the best concert I've ever been to in my life. Yeah, because he's just his ability, his uh, his uh voice quality is so insane. And there was just like it was literally just uh like a like an emotional response to these this thing, and it was just like, oh yeah, this is undeniable.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:32

And and have yeah you cried because I I have have you cried at a concert before because of that connection? Oh yeah, yeah, okay, good. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:40

Am I dead in the city?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:41

You might be, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:43

Like you've you've When's the last time you cried?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:47

Uh it's gonna be tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:50

Like due to like uh like watching a TV show, watching watching a seeing a YouTube video, uh watching a Instagram account, like something, anything. Like, and I'm not saying bald, I'm saying like you got teary-eyed and emotional.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:02

Uh it was something on Netflix not to oh, you know what it was? Yeah, I'd love to know. Did you watch that Netflix Netflix uh documentary? It was all the body cam footage of that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:10

Yeah, the neighbor. I didn't watch that one.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:12

Oh, no, I did. No, I did watch that. Yeah, so the lady, I don't know if you've seen this.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:15

The perfect neighbor.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:15

It's the perfect neighbor. So it's this, it's this like community in the States, and it's kind of like low-income housing. It's not like the projects or something, but it's low-income housing, and it's all like black uh families, and then this one just bitch. Uh just like white bitch. Um and they're all and like the like they all like they're all like family people, like working, contributing, like taking care of the kids, and the kids are like in this community running around having a lot of people. A little feral, but like not in like a bad way, but like completely innocent, right? And you're just like you see this community, you're like, Yeah, that's what kids do. Like, it actually would be like a fantastic place for all the kids to grow up because all the neighbors' kids and everybody and they're playing here. And this lady, um, she keeps calling the cops and it keeps escalating, you know, these kids are on my lawn, these kids are damaging my stuff, yada yada yada. And like the cops are great, they show up and they're like, Fuck lady, like fuck off. Yeah, no, I know you're having issues with her, like, we know your kids aren't doing anything. And it escalates to the point where uh she she shoots one of these kids and just like kills this like 14-year-old kid. Uh, and then so in the body cam footage that it's real, like it's like legit, it's all body cam footage, that's all it is. They go tell the parents that their kid died, and I fucking balled my eyes out.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:26

I was just like, oh like that would be the last time I cried. It's just funny, it's like I am a crier, I didn't cry at that. You didn't? I don't know why. I watched it. Like after you told me about it, I watched it.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:35

Yeah. Things like that, or like uh sometimes like like military movies or like stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:41

Oh like like when soldiers come home from overseas and they just or like uh YouTube videos of like uh okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:51

Uh like you know, it's just like a hostage rescue shot, and like the guy's more like a baby hole. And he's not flicked just take it down.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:59

It hits me. We have different ideas of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:01

Yeah, it's just uh I don't know about your I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:04

I that's not hey, as long as you're feeling emotions, I like it. You're feeling the emotions, just different things. I just don't I I've never cried at a concert. What about like TV shows like uh Ted Lasso or like uh The Shrinking? Have you watched Shrinking yet?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:16

Yes, I've watched some of it. Um two seasons? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:21

Like uh watching TV show The Black Hawk Down documentary?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:25

Have you watched that? I have not watched Twitter where the interview both sides? Yeah, I have not watched it. You should, you should, you would cry. You would cry. No, seriously, you would. It's very funny.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:32

Anyway, uh now are we saying just like a little tear welling, or we're talking like full-on like catharsis?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:37

Well, like where you're trying, maybe trying to hold it in and you get that weird look like that, like you're trying to like to be a man and not cry, but you're not a man, so you like Oh, just let it fly. I'm just kidding. So you like you have a little bit like one of those chokes or like your body, your body's like shuddering a little bit because you're trying to hold it in and you can't.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:55

Yeah, I mean what?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:57

You're a violent crier.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:58

Are you a violent cryer? I just like my wife laughs me because I cried.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:01

Like when you can't catch your breath, kind of cry.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:03

No, like don't but it's like it's the point where it's like you're trying to like just not like I'm I'm just trying not to show it and trying to not make it happen, but then like my like body's like doing this like a little spasm, like trying to hold it. But then the tear forms and you like you just what you wipe it away. And if they look, like my kids are all the my kids. If something sad comes on TV, they immediately look at me. I'm like, stop looking at me because I'm already welling up, and I'm just like, stop looking at me. Or my wife knows like for music stuff, like if there's like a good singer and it's a good I she just looks at me and it's like are you crying? I'm like, No. And I'm just I'm welling up.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:37

I don't know why. That that feeling that we're that we're talking about, like where you're so connected and all that kind of stuff, that it almost it does make you cry. That probably remembering times like that before you were 19, but like there was a lot of community there, right? Yeah, absolutely. Have you found a median or something like that that brings you that kind of like we're talking about concerts of my thing, but that that community feel on a concert is what I love. And that's my thing. Do you have something like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:01

Like a community-wise, probably since probably finding jets, honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's like I've joked about it a lot of times, it's very much like a religion. I've had the the good the good luck to travel and and train, and like the community is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:18

Cult. I think you mean cult, but yeah, I know what you mean. But like in a good in a good way. I don't mean a bad way at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:23

Sure, but like it I've yeah, I've had the opportunity, like I was I was saying uh Curtis, like the lad that the last UFC BJJ, the guy that fought Gilbert Burns. Yeah, I've trained with him. Oh, that's crazy. That's cool. Yeah, which is really cool, and like everybody's it's everybody's always welcoming because it's not easy and yeah, not everybody does it. And if you're there, it means that you're part of the same cult.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:46

Yeah, I I I love that stuff. Like, like I think McCross fits another one, and there's a whole bunch of those kind of different like silos of it doesn't matter who you are, what you look like, anything like that. It's like, oh, you do it too? Awesome, come on in, let's do this. And it's just very accepting because it's just the come as you are kind of idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:03

I but I I would say Jits is closer to religion than like I like music too. I love making music. You meet somebody who plays guitar or sings or whatever, and you have the like a similar kinship, but there's something because there's like there's a rite of passage to jujitsu. Yeah, where if you can sing and you can play, cool. Yeah, but like I you know, like I feel like when once you find out somebody also likes the struggle, I think it's the struggle aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:25

That's very true. Well, because that it tells something about the character immediately. Yeah, right. Like it's very much you've already kind of passed that barrier of uh you're you you're willing to put yourself in situations that is hard and you keep putting yourself in those situations, that means something about you, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:41

Well, and I think it's the trust piece when it comes to jits, because the the tap is God, right? Yeah, true. Yeah, if if I can't trust that when I tap it's over, yeah, then we shouldn't be doing this thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:51

Or that you're not gonna smash on a submission and break my arm in the process. Like, I like that's what that cool thing about rolling with people who are better than you, too, because you like as long as you trust them, it's like, yeah, you're gonna get me at some point, but I I can I I can trust that it doesn't mean I'm gonna break an arm or a knee or something unless you're rolling unless he kicks your knee out one time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:08

But that's that's where I think training around like traveling and training is cool because it's like you learn that once you go to a gym for a while. Yeah. Okay, these guys are good for it. Very much so you travel and do it, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, these guys are also okay. Oh, those guys are also okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:22

You can probably, but I think uh my guess is like if you're going to different gyms, you and again with experience, you can kind of pick out the ones you're like, nah, I'm gonna avoid that guy, and I'm gonna avoid that guy, and I think I'll let this guy. Fuck it. Because every gym's got those guys that you're like, no, like no, sorry, dude. Uh, not gonna roll with you because you're gonna hurt me.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:37

Well, and don't get me wrong, I've gotten the shit kicked out of me a few times.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:40

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:40

But yeah, community at large is pretty sweet, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:44

No, I agree. That's awesome. Yeah. Are you what? We're all just human beings that want community.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:49

Yeah, that that everyone finds it one way or another.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:51

Yeah, but but that's what that's what the current generation's lacking. That's what the kids right now are 100% lacking, is just is community because loss of religion and in overall, like I mean, I think more people are going back to religion in a lot of ways. I'm seeing, um, but loss of that, because that was a built-in community, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, whether you believe it's true or not true, in the end, it's a built-in community that's very much uh rallies around their own people.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:13

Do you don't you also think that it's a it's a matter of the barrier of entry? Because I I would disagree with you. I think the problem is there's too many communities that are too accepting right now. I think purple doves are really hot and they turn me on. How about you? I I could go online and who would support me as opposed to coming and sitting in a room like this. That's not real community though. No, no, exactly. No, that's what I'm saying. There's there's no barrier to entry to community right now. I see what you said. There's more communities, but with no barrier to entry. But there's no substance there. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:46

And but that's I I agree, completely agree with you. But that's where I'm saying like the substance of like growing up uh in the in around here as the the Mormon church or growing up around like something like that is just it's tangible because you're you're meeting these people all the time, it's a built-in uh something happens in your life, they're gonna come help you. Doesn't matter what it is, doesn't matter if you're like yeah, anyway. So the the I think there's a lot of that missing, and I think with a lot of kids these days, um, with they have those those fake communities, this idea like, well, look, I got a thousand friends on Snapchat. What are you talking about? I have people, but if tomorrow they're on their way to school and and their car breaks down, no one's coming to get help them because they don't actually know them and they don't actually have any substance behind this connection.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:33

Um and that's also the problem is like the disingenuous or the inauthentic connections and people that don't have any of them. That like I'm thinking, you know, the incel community, right? Right? You have found a community of people based on all the wrong reasons.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:48

100%, yes, very true. Yeah, and then it's very, very destructive. Yeah, rallying around like a negative ideology.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:54

That's being positively supported. That's the yeah. Nobody nobody's questioning you, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:00

Negativity is so dangerous. Like negative people. Um I don't want to say there's somebody that recently I've been around that I just can't. I can't. Like they're just I I've like they're within five minutes, I'm like, I gotta go. Like I just can't, because there's just everything that comes out of the mouth is just negative stuff. And I'm like, I get it. Like sometimes things are hard, but like, and I'm not the most positive person ever, but I want to try to um change the thought process a little bit to like try to think of this positive side or at least like not dwell on the like the only thing they ever talk about is negative things. And I'm like, I can't I don't know, I can't do it anymore.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:46

Like, you're as a recovering negative person, it's fucking exhausting.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:49

Yeah, I was gonna I was just gonna say, I mean, no, but but when you did, you had like myself, you had other people being like, Hey, it was noticeable. Like we would we would talk to you about it years ago when you were getting it's a slow burn.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:01

It is like it's and I I mean none of us are perfect, and at least if it's I think if you're conscious about it, we're all gonna have bad days. Like I there's still days where probably Jesus fucking Christ. But like if you're conscious about it and you've accepted, like, oh okay, these are things that I you know it's not like who you want to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:18

Can I uh how many years in the nursing home did you think that was like the peak of negativity? Five for me, yeah. You um five to nine. Okay. I'm just curious because I'm thinking about some people right now, but um yeah, like I but like it was noticeable in you in you and like obviously we we've been friends for like the whole time you've been there, and but like it's just it was like a mindset that I don't think you operate in as much anymore, if ever. Like yeah, I'm not saying ever, but like you don't operate in that space as like a your what am I trying to say? You're like it's like baseline.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:55

It's like it's muck, right? You're caught in the muck when you're negative, and it's nobody wants to be a negative person, but when you focus on negatives, it will come, right? It's like especially and I think the big unlock for me, and this is a still a daily struggle, is the reconciliation of the things you can control versus the things you can't control and where you expend your energy on those things, and I like I think about that a lot, is if we and and sometimes we do it in this podcast where it's like fucking politics, right? Right, we can't do shit about it. No, there's literally nothing we can do about it. So if you're like if you are scrolling on X and you're like, motherfucker, like why are you guys doing this? Why are you taxing me like okay? Well, I can either get pissed off about it or I can go focus on the things that matter. Right. But that's easy said, hard done. Very much so. Uh and it is a a very like uh it requires a lot of conceited effort to do that, to be positive. Concerted, conceited, concerted, concerted, concerted, conceited, concerned, conceited.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:54

Uh but it but it it takes it takes effort. Like what you said, it takes effort and it takes like um awareness and like but that only happens when you start realizing, oh, I am very negative. I want to stop that thing. And now that they have the awareness of the negative side, like that I don't want to be that way. Uh what can I do to kind of stop that in its tracks and reset? And when you mess up, you're like, oh, I guess I'm back that direction. No, no, no. It happened, cool. Reset. It's like it's like meditating. We talked about this. It's like meditation. It's like everyone sucks at it at the beginning, 100%. But the idea is like you're supposed to be thinking about nothing, thinking about your breath next thing or thinking about your taxes, and you're like, no, wait, breath, breath, back to back to breath, reset. And don't like beat yourself up over the fact that your mind wandered. That's going to happen. That will, that is natural. But then recognize it, recognition, and now back to okay, yeah. Okay, cool. Taxes, back to reset, breath.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:43

The muscle of equanimity. Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:45

Oof.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:46

Somebody did their 30-day intro to medication.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:48

I'm still doing it. I'm on it. He has he has more Jeff 40. He's got a couple other series, and he's he's the best on that app, I think. Equanimity. Oh, yeah, he's so good.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:57

Um, oh, what was I gonna say? Fuck. It's gone. I gotta pee.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:03

No, that's not what I was gonna say. Oh, wow. You can't. You try and just go to the bathroom. Oh, it's 9 45.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:11

Let's wrap up.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:11

Okay. Zach, it's been awesome having you. Uh I would like to dig more into your uh journey of life at one point. Any time. Okay. Thanks for introducing your friend to us. Yeah, it's been a long time. Um it took a lot, it took a minute. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:25

I have a question about the shirt. Shoot. Okay. What shirt am I wearing? Oh. B.A. Johnson, like the mu the musician? Yeah. What what do those I don't know how those connect to B.A. Johnson? Johnston. Johnston, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:37

Do you know who BA is? Like have you ever gone to a show?

SPEAKER_04 1:44:39

No, I haven't. Well then you said it.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:41

You just said it like you knew who they were. Like you guys were about to bond over a shared interest.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:46

He's a Canadian singer from like Ontario. Not from Manitoba, he's from Ontario, right? He's a goofy guy singing about weird shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:55

I don't get the shirt. Every one of his shirts are themed, so he's like he's got a Star Wars one and he's got a so that's that's his likeness, BA as a Mario.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:03

Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:04

I saw the shirt in my wife.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:05

I didn't see I didn't see the I didn't see the more. I saw the stuff in the back. I'm like, oh that's a lot of copyright.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:09

Why are you uh bogging him about a shirt, dude? I'm not bogging him about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:12

No, it's a shirt because it's got to do like it because it's got Garfield and Elf.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:18

Sometimes you wish that you like, and I'm not judging you.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:21

Oh when you when you preface something, you know, I'm not trying to be an asshole with pay. Hey, with all due respect, why do you suck, okay?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:29

Like I'm saying this because I think no, I'm saying this because I think this about myself. Sometimes you wish you like kind of dressed like an adult. Like, you know, like more like wore like suit suit jackets and like ties and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:41

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:42

Uh I sometimes I wish I did.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:43

I had to wear a suit today and I didn't I didn't like any second of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:46

Like sometimes I have like I have like I don't know. I'm 40.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:50

Oh. I shouldn't be doing this anymore. Do you know what I want to start dressing like? What? You know, have you ever seen those like Delta Force operators from like late 90s? Oh, what? Like the like dress shirt, like khaki pants, like like black frame sung like glasses. Tactical casual? Hey? Tac casual? Like tack cash? Like business tactical.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:08

You should uh get rid of all of your clothes and go buy a buy like a wardrobe.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:12

Yeah, that's what I want to do. Yeah, put your phone on your hip.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:15

It's just gonna be five, eleven. You know what? I I wish I wish it was socially acceptable to have a phone on your hip. I really do, because I I I see no downsides. Bring it back. Bring it back. I will. I'll bring my auto box case.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:26

Why don't you just rock like a crossbody bag?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:29

Because I think I have one. You know, you know I have one.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:33

Okay. Um you should give the rest of those back to the guy you stole your nicotine from.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:38

I had one in my mouth for what, two minutes? Yeah, you didn't last last. I I tapped.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:42

Yeah, I wouldn't even put that in my face. Tony is serious about his nicotine.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:46

Sorry for stealing this from your office. Uh Tony uh CJ was like jonesing. He needed something badly, and I knew where some was. That makes sense. I knew where some were.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:56

Do we need to do like an average superior Lent again? I don't know. That works really well. That's why all this cash is sitting on the table.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:03

I would like to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:03

Would you? Yeah. Zach, do you have anything you want to commit to for 30 days?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:08

Sure. I gotta I gotta get back to training.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:12

Back to training every day. Oh, you can't that's that's you have to do it every day. Do you do you have to do it every day? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:20

Handsome. I yeah, I should, but I don't know an everyday thing. The everyday thing that I started doing seven months ago is I walk every morning. I wake up at 5 30 and I do a 30-minute video.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:31

That's nice. Are you rocking? Are you wearing a weighted vest?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:34

No. Just going for a walk. I walk for 2K. It's not a half-hour walk.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:39

That's like one of the three or four things that you I think you are like optimally supposed to do in the morning, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:45

What I'm supposed to do is go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:47

So I gotta go. He's really good. I've been hurting for like half an hour, and I didn't want to like leave because I'm just gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:53

We should just keep going like another 20 minutes here.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:56

I'm leaving. You guys you see the preview for disclosure date? JB? Hey, it's a documentary.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:01

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