EP122: What Does It Mean to Press Forward?

Interview with Neal Conlon / Men's Group Leader and Coach

HOSTED BY PAUL SULLIVAN

Neal Conlon is one interesting guy. Out of high school, he went into the Marines where he served for nearly 8 years. Getting out, he chased status. He had success being an entrepreneur, raising capital and helping lead growth companies. Then he hit reset. Today he runs Omnis Rising, a community to support men, and Press Forward Coaching to help men get past the obstacles in their lives. Hear why.

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Transcript

00;00;05;24 - 00;00;23;22
Paul Sullivan
Welcome to the Company of Dads podcast, where we explore the sweet, silly, strange and sublime aspects of being a lead dad in a world where men are the go to parent aren't always accepted at work among their friends, but in the community for what they're doing. I'm your host, Paul Sullivan. Our podcast is just one of the many things we produce each week.

00;00;23;23 - 00;00;44;19
Paul Sullivan
The company that we have, various features, including the dad of the week. We have our monthly meetups. We have a resource library for all fathers. The one stop shop for all of this is our newsletter for dad. So sign up today at the Company of dads.com backslash. The dad. Today our guest is Neal Conlon. He's one interesting guy.

00;00;44;25 - 00;01;06;12
Paul Sullivan
I mean, for those of you watching this, you can see the beard and be impressed, but he's much more than cool facial hair. Out of high school, he went into the Marines, where he served for nearly eight years. Getting out. He chased status, as he now admits, a well known global company. Then he hit reset. He's had success being an entrepreneur, raising capital and helping lead growth companies.

00;01;06;15 - 00;01;21;21
Paul Sullivan
But we're here today to talk through his work with men. He runs on these rising opportunities for men and press forward coaching to help men get past the obstacles in their lives. He's also the father of three. Welcome, Neal, to the company that podcast.

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Neal Conlon
Thanks, man. Thanks for having me. Really excited to do this with you.

00;01;24;16 - 00;01;40;04
Paul Sullivan
Awesome. When you think about, you know, the problems that men typically come to you, if you had a list of, like the top three, top five problems that men struggle with and that you help them solve. What would be on that list?

00;01;40;06 - 00;02;17;24
Neal Conlon
I think, top three, top five, I would say I'm stuck. I don't know what to do next. Overwhelmed. Probably there's probably some underlying numbing agent, and I'll call that alcohol. Tobacco porn. Something like that. Or I think I'm going to get fired. The company's changing. Like I'm not doing a good job. And those are like the.

00;02;17;24 - 00;02;54;08
Neal Conlon
Those are the big. The big ones. Yeah. And it's interesting because there's a big piece of the work that I do around kind of the blueprint that we're all following. We all have this kind of blueprint and if I was going to package that all up into one thing, it really is that we probably weren't taught about taught well how to ask for support and help when we didn't know what to what to do next versus like, it's it's kind of ingrained in us at a very early age that, I'm fine.

00;02;54;08 - 00;03;14;28
Neal Conlon
I'm good. I'll figure it out. And then by the time that wave has kind of crested and now you can actually see that it's going to fall apart on you. Men, especially dads, kind of go into this space of like, by the time they're asking for help, they're already on is like slalom down to a, like a pain point.

00;03;15;01 - 00;03;34;20
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. And that's when you gave me those the big issues. I mean, it seems like people are coming to you in an, in extremist situation that they've already gotten to the point where if you're, you know, if you're worried about losing your job, if you're numbing yourself, it's been a while since the problem presented itself. And so these are not small, you know, problems to to solve.

00;03;34;20 - 00;03;51;06
Paul Sullivan
Like, you know, do I have broccoli or green beans for dinner? What's better for me? You can solve that in a second. So when they come to you with these big problems, what does a solution look like? What does the process look like? And you know, and we're all impatient. We become even more impatient because of social media.

00;03;51;09 - 00;04;01;22
Paul Sullivan
How long does it typically take for you to help a guy get unstuck and get back to what he wants to be, or become a different version of of of who he wants to be?

00;04;01;24 - 00;04;36;10
Neal Conlon
Yeah. Well, it's interesting because I, I, I came, you know, those companies that I worked for in the big corporate side, right, were always very solution focused. Yeah. Right. So person comes to you with a problem financial services, banking, real estate. I want this thing to happen and we would craft and create solutions and, and fundamentally what's interesting about those things that I mentioned to you that it that those are 99% of the time, those are never the problems.

00;04;36;13 - 00;05;05;28
Neal Conlon
And that's the thing is, like, what led me into coaching was the fact that, you know, I, I think that while there's dozens of kinds of coaching like categories and niches, there really only is two types of coaching. There is business coaching, which is I don't know how to run a business. So then I'm going to teach you how to run a PNL, teach you how to do sales, teaches you operations, and then you should go off and be able to to think and everything else.

00;05;06;00 - 00;05;25;08
Neal Conlon
What I've learned over the years of doing this boils down to a mindset, a mindset, and getting new tools and new systems in place in order to do that. And so when I first started coaching, several years ago, I was very solutions focused. So someone showed up. I've got a porn problem, I've got an alcohol problem, I've got a relationship problem.

00;05;25;15 - 00;05;51;03
Neal Conlon
It was, well, go do this, go do this and go do this. And I learned very quickly that if it was that easy for people, they would be doing that on their own. Right. It's interesting now because I think the tables are really turning. And if someone comes to me now and says, I'm stuck, I don't know what to do next or my relationship is, you know, falling apart or I don't know how to.

00;05;51;06 - 00;06;15;19
Neal Conlon
My kids are evolving either into little humans from babies or maybe even evolving into teenage self-supporting years. And those are two interesting areas where people get really uncomfortable because their identity around that has to change a little bit. And I walk people through this process and I say, well, how much water are you drinking? How's your diet?

00;06;15;21 - 00;06;38;06
Neal Conlon
How is your social circle? How how's your sex life? And, and how much sleep are you getting those five things? Yeah. And I always tell people every, every single time I talk to somebody. Now, go work on those five things for two weeks and then come back to me and then tell me what the problem really is.

00;06;38;09 - 00;07;12;03
Neal Conlon
And it's it's wild that we live in a world where most people can't do those things for 14 days. And it's a big piece of I think that there's dads who are living in 2024 with a 1984 blueprint of what they should be doing, and so the tools and systems that they have in place today do not fit the environment that we operate in today.

00;07;12;03 - 00;07;23;13
Neal Conlon
At all. And they're just getting mad and frustrated because they're trying to use like a Phillips head screwdriver on a flathead screw and then wondering why it doesn't work.

00;07;23;15 - 00;07;47;15
Paul Sullivan
It's so good. I mean, when you think about that, what the underlying problem is, I think, you know, a lot of guys, as we get older, we get a and you get a good beat and you have a pain and wherever, and he'll tweak something else is nowhere near it. And that relieves that pain. When you think about your own life, you know, you talk about most things are solutions focused, you know, in not necessarily in a positive way, but being in a marine's, there's a solution.

00;07;47;15 - 00;08;08;02
Paul Sullivan
You're you're being, you know, planning plans to train for combat and then going into sales. Sales, as you're providing a solution, whatever it is that you're selling. How did you yourself, you know, shift your mindset from being always looking for the solution for, you know, your fellow Marines to the people you're selling to, to people on your team.

00;08;08;09 - 00;08;21;26
Paul Sullivan
How did you shift your own mindset to have it be, you know, something other than solutions focused? As you you know, when you said know, I said in the intro, when you hit that reset and start to think differently about yourself as a as a man and a dad.

00;08;21;28 - 00;08;43;28
Neal Conlon
Yeah, I love this question. So thank you for asking it. You know, I think one of the callings I have kind of been in this world now is, not to let other, especially dads, suffer the way I let myself suffer for a bunch of years. Like I was just a masochist for a bunch of years in the fact of I just thought I could do it all myself.

00;08;44;00 - 00;09;10;28
Neal Conlon
I just really like. So. So I grew up, without a father figure present in my life, had really, really great grandfathers on both sides of my family, and so they gave me these, like, strong values and ethics like they were. It's really interesting when I, when I unpack that sometimes because neither one of them ever stepped in and played the father figure role, but they gave me that strong family value and moral ethics.

00;09;11;00 - 00;09;37;16
Neal Conlon
But there was like this missing piece about like understanding, like how people actually get to be successful in any way, shape or form. And so I kind of went off on this like, you know, pilgrimage of becoming a marine. And and in the marine, the marine Corps, the ethos is so clear. Everyone is so banded together. I mean, like you're locking step with each other.

00;09;37;19 - 00;10;04;02
Neal Conlon
And then my transition out of that was super, super hard. And then I was like, I'm just going to figure it out myself. And I was a I was afraid to be seen, as a person who didn't understand what they were doing. And I think that's a big piece of it. As I went like 12 years thinking I knew what I was doing, when really I was running by the seat of my pants, figuring out how to be a father.

00;10;04;04 - 00;10;29;24
Neal Conlon
When I did have a good father figures, a good father figure, then it's a matter of understanding what a healthy fatherhood looks like for for children, let alone just having one in place at all. And and it's it's spun me. I spun myself for like, 8 to 10 years where I just kept on trying to like, it was like, almost like having a a flint and steel and like, trying to get the fire going.

00;10;29;27 - 00;10;53;14
Neal Conlon
Yeah. And I kept on getting the fire going and it would rage out of control. And I have to put it out myself and do it again and do it again. And really, it was just like a matter of, on my like, a third, you know, third as my third relationship because I've got three children with three different parents, three different mothers.

00;10;53;16 - 00;11;05;00
Neal Conlon
I just had to have this, like, real rough circumstance where I was like, what? What do I keep doing wrong here? Right? Like. And there was no one else to like? I think that maybe.

00;11;05;00 - 00;11;06;18
Paul Sullivan
It's not them. Maybe it's me.

00;11;06;20 - 00;11;39;08
Neal Conlon
Maybe it's me. And and I have a lot of empathy on the other side of that now that it shouldn't have taken me that many tries to get to that place, but I didn't have enough examples of like healthy men and and trust trusted partners and and friends. And now I just believe, like all these like little cool beaming me statements that we hear like it takes a village to raise a child, you know, is a good one.

00;11;39;08 - 00;12;02;18
Neal Conlon
But then the flip side of that is, is like, every kid deserves to have a village. Like you deserve to have as many people, men, women love on them as possible. And we live in this world now where everybody's got like this weird, like push back right away from anything that doesn't feel like very clear. And we've lost this idea.

00;12;02;21 - 00;12;29;29
Neal Conlon
Well, I'll say it this way. It took me a long time to really embrace this, is that I think everything in my life got a lot better in this context. When I realized that everything happens at the speed of trust. And when I started to trust myself first and then trust others to be vulnerable enough to ask for support and to ask, go out of my way to ask for things, that's when it really start to flip.

00;12;30;02 - 00;12;30;21
Neal Conlon
You know, you.

00;12;30;21 - 00;12;49;24
Paul Sullivan
Said, you know, it shouldn't have taken you as many times, as it, as it did. But of course you were trying. So you get credit for trying. What was it in that time when you really were able to hit reset? What was it that, you know, you got to that moment where you tried different ways, it hadn't quite worked out, and then you tried the thing that clicked and set you on the path.

00;12;49;24 - 00;12;55;06
Paul Sullivan
What was different about that at that moment as compared to the previous ones?

00;12;55;09 - 00;13;22;22
Neal Conlon
You know, I I'll be super transparent about it because I talk about it openly with with my with my daughter's mother. I had been about probably six years into the, into the marriage and had gotten this, like, personal development bug. Right? I was like, you know, Gary Vaynerchuk was coming out with his first book, and all these different people were starting to evolve.

00;13;22;22 - 00;13;49;10
Neal Conlon
And I was like, in the Inc 5000 community because of a business that I was part of, and I was just going to these different things, and people were just like opening up these things for me about new concepts around growth mindset and stuff like that. And I started to like, just really have this moment where I come home to my then partner and I be like, this whole world just opened up to me.

00;13;49;13 - 00;13;58;17
Neal Conlon
Yeah. And, and it wasn't, it wasn't being received well at that time. The, the.

00;13;58;20 - 00;14;01;25
Paul Sullivan
The whole new world that was open, it was not being received well by you, then.

00;14;01;28 - 00;14;28;14
Neal Conlon
By my then part by my then partner. Yeah. Okay. And I felt this like immense loneliness where like, you know, and that really like, went on for a couple of months and then it really was like I really had to like that's where like my, my radical acceptance really started to happen. And and then it led me down this path of, like, I call it a pilgrimage, because that's really what it was.

00;14;28;14 - 00;14;54;18
Neal Conlon
Where I was started going to. I started learning how to meditate, and then I started going. I've been to some plant medicine ceremonies in the jungles and, did all these different things. And then little by little, it was like this, these little things start to unlock for me. But the big moment really was it was like really sitting with myself and having radical acceptance to be like, all right, number one, I'm not happy where I am.

00;14;54;20 - 00;15;05;26
Neal Conlon
Like, I clearly am not happy where I am, and it's nobody else's fault but my own. Like, that was really a huge thing for me. Yeah.

00;15;05;29 - 00;15;10;03
Paul Sullivan
You know, you have three kids. What are the ages of your kids right now?

00;15;10;05 - 00;15;12;03
Neal Conlon
2116 and 12.

00;15;12;07 - 00;15;43;01
Paul Sullivan
21, 16 or 12 and look, I look at my I have three daughters. But my wife is married, you know, to him to 20 years. It's different in that sense, but not so different in that they're three different kids. There's a different version of me with each one, you know, different, you know, for, you know, different little experience when you think about the father that you've been to each of those three kids, what does that evolution look like?

00;15;43;03 - 00;15;50;02
Paul Sullivan
You know, for you as a father to those three kids? And how do you talk to them about it, particularly the older ones?

00;15;50;05 - 00;16;22;04
Neal Conlon
Well, you know, you know, what's interesting about that is, so, so I think it's one of the superpowers I've developed over time about how I really help men, especially fathers, through these circumstances because, I've been the, I've been the son of an absentee father. I've had a stepfather. I've been the stepfather. I've been the absentee father.

00;16;22;06 - 00;16;44;21
Neal Conlon
I've been the present father. Like, I've literally been every genre of fatherhood except for the grandfather, which will be coming, you know, years down the road, like every single angle, that of a father. I've. I've been the shitty dad. I've been the good dad. I've been like. And my oldest son, who's 21, who just got engaged, who?

00;16;44;21 - 00;17;09;28
Neal Conlon
I'm very, very grateful he shared that with me. I didn't see him for 14 years. And so when he was four, and I'm in such a healthy place about these topics and helping others through them, that I can talk about them actively and not from a place of like this. This happened to me, but from a place of like, this is where I was in my life.

00;17;10;00 - 00;17;45;21
Neal Conlon
And, and so he was for the very, very hard divorce going on, very painful court systems, interstate things, very, very painful thing. And having been through that when I was growing up, I made the executive decision of my family to sign away my parental rights because I thought there was something inside of me at that point that said, this is the best thing for him versus this is the dad I want to be.

00;17;45;23 - 00;18;11;02
Neal Conlon
And, the crazy thing is that 18 years at 18 years old, he reached out to me. He said, I want to talk to you. Six years before that, I started thinking in my head, he's going to be reaching out to me, and a lot of my social media content for that six years is me laying the foundation and groundwork for him, looking for me online and knowing what type of man that I really am.

00;18;11;05 - 00;18;37;21
Neal Conlon
And we've had this big holistic kind of coming back together moment about like making tough decisions. And I think that's one of the things that I think a lot of dads have lost and, you know, lost because that blueprint is so different, is that now you have to make tougher decisions because you have to be able to, like, act in the best interest of the child.

00;18;37;23 - 00;19;15;27
Neal Conlon
Right? Not helicoptering not trophy being like my 12 year old daughter, you know, who knows this whole entire story. I've had her out of school this year, and I'm not looking to cause like havoc here when I say this, but she's been out of school this year, 46 days. Because I take her traveling with me, I take her to my speaking events, I take her to my networking things because it's more important for me in radical acceptance of how my children are going to turn out than it is to keep them in a in a thing that doesn't serve them well with tools for life.

00;19;16;02 - 00;19;44;11
Neal Conlon
And I think that, like, it used to be a lot easier to put your kids on these path, have them go to school, have them go to the college. They're going to get the job at the place. And that's that is quickly, quickly eroding. And so I now live in the space of like taking real radical acceptance for all my choices and being able to build tools and systems for people, myself included, that can then support, you know, prosperity and success.

00;19;44;14 - 00;20;16;01
Neal Conlon
And then being like, oh, that part didn't work out. Let's learn from it. Because you set you set an actual very interesting thing that people have said to me in the past. It's a lot healthier for you to fail forward than it is for you to constantly fail backwards. Yeah. And the one thing that I've really honed in on just to like, wrap that up, is, I coach a lot of men who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s.

00;20;16;03 - 00;20;40;03
Neal Conlon
And, what's interesting about coaching those men that I've learned over time is I'm not solving 45 year old. The problems of a 45 year old, a 55 year old or 65 year old. At 45 years old, I want to be conquering your metabolism. I want to be conquering. Maybe you need testosterone replacement therapy. Maybe you're in a different stage of your relationship life.

00;20;40;03 - 00;21;13;02
Neal Conlon
Maybe your kids are getting older. Maybe you're thinking about retirement. But I'm seeing more and more 45, 55 year old guys show up who have the problems of a 25 year old because they've spent so much time invested in their business and their children that they never dealt with some emotional baggage that they are now toting, and they're getting to a stage in life where they don't have the resources either physically, mentally or emotionally, to really manage in a way that they don't just turn into grumpy old men.

00;21;13;02 - 00;21;29;13
Neal Conlon
And it's great that we're all living into our 80s now, but I feel like this is a big challenge, is going to come up, is like, if you got some shit from when you were a kid or from your 20s that's unresolved, it will manifest itself back years later.

00;21;29;15 - 00;21;33;02
Paul Sullivan
I'm smiling because of me. Like none of us wants to become a grumpy old man.

00;21;33;04 - 00;21;34;24
Neal Conlon
And I. I don't think so.

00;21;34;24 - 00;21;51;27
Paul Sullivan
No, I was on a plane last weekend. I got my bag down, and then I forgot my water bottle, and I turned around to get it, and this guy was, like, barreling down, and we're at, like, the back of the plane, like, you know, we were the last people off the damn plane. And I kind of pushed into so he could go by and he, like, bumps me on the way out.

00;21;51;27 - 00;22;09;08
Paul Sullivan
And I was like, I just got to get my water bottle. And I was like, I don't want to be that guy. Like. Like there's got to be some shared sacrifice. We're all trying to get off this stupid plane together, but like, just let me get my water bottle. That's all I want. Like, we all forget things. You talked about your oldest and your youngest.

00;22;09;08 - 00;22;14;23
Paul Sullivan
What about your your middle child? What's the what's the the history and the relationship like there?

00;22;14;25 - 00;22;38;21
Neal Conlon
Yeah, that's the tough one. To be honest. And I'm glad that you brought that one up. You know, there was a stage in my life where, she actively chose to, take a break from from dad, and, and so we're going on a couple of years where I don't have direct contact by her choice. But I respect it.

00;22;38;23 - 00;23;03;26
Neal Conlon
And and one of the things I've learned over the years, which is something that more dads and you talk about is the amount of the the amount of influence that you have over your children can be ethically manipulated based on the amount of time that you share with your child and the time that you don't share with your child.

00;23;03;28 - 00;23;24;28
Neal Conlon
Right. So in that old school blueprint where dad went to work in the morning, only came home for dinner and mowed the lawn on the weekends. And I know, like you have to realize, like those old school dads were still only spending like six hours a week with their child, right? You might have been called more present, but like, come on, let's be realistic.

00;23;25;00 - 00;23;53;27
Neal Conlon
And so I'm very, very grateful because at some point when my daughter gets older and wants to come back just the same way, my son had come back, she'll come back, we'll have a conversation about that. But along those lines, you know, she plays on an international baseball team. She just finished playing in Tokyo. You know, she's she's number two or number three on on the boys team in her high school, and she's a thriving child.

00;23;54;02 - 00;24;18;00
Neal Conlon
And I've gotten to a place in my life where, like, I'm building great humans. I don't I've got no ego against, like, what that means to me, other than I want more great humans in this planet. And I've realized, like, that's a big piece of my coaching is I want to lead men into feeling great because of this.

00;24;18;03 - 00;24;48;00
Neal Conlon
Because great people don't kill themselves, right? We have a huge problem with suicide, especially for men. Great men don't hurt children, right? Great men don't create random acts of violence. And and great men like build versus destroy things. And so, like, that's really been a huge focus of my work is like focusing people to seek their own greatness because of the side effects of what happens in the rest of the world.

00;24;48;00 - 00;24;49;29
Neal Conlon
Because of that.

00;24;50;01 - 00;25;11;10
Paul Sullivan
Neil Conlon, great guest on the Company Does podcast. Last question here. And I want to share something as well because you can share. You know, I didn't talk to my own father for 19 years. For 19 years he did not talk. And for the past 16 years, 16, 17 years, he's been back in our lives. And he is the greatest grandfather, ever known as Grampy in such a part of our family.

00;25;11;10 - 00;25;33;11
Paul Sullivan
And, you know, I've always said, you know, it's a bit of a weird phrase. It's kind of cameos like, life is long, or it is it, you know, you know, life is long. Are you end up dead and so like. And when life is long, you know, things do come around. One thing that, you know, last question to you, though, it's pretty clear that you're, a self-directed, inner directed person.

00;25;33;11 - 00;25;58;12
Paul Sullivan
And, you know, you think of, you know, psychologist, talk about outer directed people, people for whom they need some sort of external stimuli to get something done. And people who are inner directed, who who set up are reflective, who analyze themselves as, okay, how do I move this forward? How do you help men and fathers who may be less inner directed then perhaps you and I are?

00;25;58;12 - 00;26;09;19
Paul Sullivan
How do you help those guys fulfill whatever their their full potential is, when they be more, maybe more subject to sort of external influences than than you and I are.

00;26;09;21 - 00;26;42;15
Neal Conlon
Yeah. I mean, I love the question and, and appreciate the compliment there also, I think there are like lots of, like. I mean, maybe just a stage of life that I'm at now. It's like I've started to realize, like, no matter how the words change, like some things never, never have really changed. And so there's, there's, you know, that's like, like the word pilgrimage, like, I think there's like, there's like something to that.

00;26;42;18 - 00;27;14;16
Neal Conlon
Like I've done a lot of work with understanding, like indigenous practices. And I've got friends who are anthropologists, and we sit around and talk about some of these things, but it's like you don't realize, like for thousands and thousands of years, men, right, as boys would train for like these rites of passage. And and then they'd have to go off into the woods, you know, and kill the bear or kill the wolf or whatever it is, and then have to sit on the mountain and meditate and do all these things.

00;27;14;18 - 00;27;36;17
Neal Conlon
And so this big thing is like, like, like we've, we run some events where we do these kind of pilgrimage weekends. And the, the big thing really is though, is if you can't go in, inward and find kind of the answers, it's what I call space and, and real quick. And we're going to wrap up here a second.

00;27;36;17 - 00;28;00;08
Neal Conlon
But just to give you the details of that, it's like, I think we wake up every day. Every morning you do it, I do it. Everyone else does it. The minute our eyes open and our minds kind of a bookshelf full of stories kind of just manifest itself. And it's like we're this type of where white, where black or we're gay or straight, we're we're this type of person.

00;28;00;10 - 00;28;50;17
Neal Conlon
We're in this type of relationship. This is our baggage. This is what we're working on. And I learned this very quickly when I would hop from relationship to relationship, early on in my life. And really, what we need to learn how to do is create space on your kind of metaphoric bookshelf. So it wasn't until someone called me out on it that I, like, pulled the book on relationships out of my bookshelf and said, I'm not putting anything there, but I'm going to leave some space and space for like, imagine that creating space and not filling your day with time will lead you to the thing that you need to work on.

00;28;50;20 - 00;28;54;23
Neal Conlon
And and that's a big piece of the work that we do with people.

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Paul Sullivan
Neil Conlon, fantastic talking to you today. Omnis rising press forward coaching on Instagram I am Neil comment I mean I'm not Neil Coleman, he's Neil Colin but the handle is I am Neil Conlon. Neil, thank you again for being my guest on the podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Neal Conlon
Yeah man. Appreciate the time.

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Paul Sullivan
Thank you for listening to the company of that podcast. I also want to.

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Neal Conlon
Thank.

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Paul Sullivan
The people who make this podcast and everything else that we do, the company of that possible, Helder.

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Neal Conlon
Mira, who is our.

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Paul Sullivan
Audio producer Lindsay Decker, handles all of our social media. Terry Brennan, who's helping us with the news that are an audience acquisition, Emily Servin, who is our web maestro, and of course, Evan Roosevelt, who is working side by side with me. Many of the things that we do here at the company of Dads, it's a great team. And we're just trying to bring you the best in fatherhood.

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Paul Sullivan
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Paul Sullivan
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