EP156: Dad, Could You Not? A Survival Guide for Parenting Teens

Interview with Chip Leighton / Host of The Leighton Show

HOSTED BY PAUL SULLIVAN

What happens when a corporate executive with an MBA, a steady career, and a very normal dad life accidentally becomes one of the internet’s funniest fathers? Paul sits down with Chip Leighton—the creator behind the painfully relatable dad content so many parents secretly see themselves in—to talk about why his humor hits so hard, what teenagers are really like, and how laughter can make parenting feel a little less lonely. Chip shares how a few TikToks turned into millions of followers, a bestselling book, and a new release, Dad, Can You Not? But beneath the jokes is something every parent needs to hear: your kid is probably more normal than you think, and you’re probably doing better than you think too. This one is funny, honest, and full of those “wait… that happens in your house too?” moments.

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Transcript

00:00:00:03 - 00:00:04:14
Paul Sullivan
Now is the time shift that you get to start to curse and swear because the recording is on. Okay.

00:00:04:16 - 00:00:09:06
Chip Leighton
Okay. Perfect. The latent shows PG 13. So you I don't think, have to worry about that.

00:00:09:08 - 00:00:24:05
Paul Sullivan
Which when we grew up though it PG 13 meant something totally different. And I've shown my kids and PG 13 stuff and they're terrified. It's okay. Forget it.

00:00:24:07 - 00:00:49:24
Paul Sullivan
Welcome to the company dad's podcast. I'm your host, Paul Sullivan. We're focused on lead dads, working moms, and how small changes at home or work can have a big impact on their lives. Each episode promises to deliver actionable advice on some area of concern at home or at work. Short. Direct. Again. Actionable. Now we usually do five questions and five answers, but our guest today is someone I've long followed and laughed with, and I'm just going to see where things go.

00:00:50:01 - 00:01:10:13
Paul Sullivan
We're talking to Chip late in my favorite, favorite, absolute favorite TikTok dad. He's the host of The Late in Show, which he says everything that any 40 or 50 something married dad with kids would like to say, but is afraid to because then his wife and kids won't talk to him again. But he does so in this amazingly gentle and endearing way.

00:01:10:14 - 00:01:28:12
Paul Sullivan
The text that he posts from his teenage children are relatable to any father. He's got a new book coming out, dad, Can You Not A Dads Guide to Being Less Cranky. It's following on to his New York Times bestseller, What Time Is Noon? Welcome, Chip to the company Dads podcast.

00:01:28:14 - 00:01:31:22
Chip Leighton
Thank you Paul. Thank you for that great introduction. And I'm looking forward to it.

00:01:32:02 - 00:01:48:06
Paul Sullivan
So as I said before, anybody who's seen my podcast before you watch, I never have worn a hoodie in my life. I wore a hoodie for you. You are not wearing a hoodie. I think I'm being cringeworthy right now. Am I being cringeworthy by trying to wear a hoodie to, emulate you?

00:01:48:08 - 00:01:59:12
Chip Leighton
I think the hoodies that the last thing you got to worry about in terms of being crazy, people like that. I have a little piece of the book about, like, threatening to start a podcast as a way to really make your kids horrified. So I don't worry about the hoodie.

00:01:59:17 - 00:02:07:23
Paul Sullivan
All right. Thank me. I had an essay. Why do your kids still text you? Why are your kids. I wouldn't ever text you.

00:02:08:00 - 00:02:25:13
Chip Leighton
Well, they they barely do. So that's the history of this thing is I started out posting my own kids texts that it kind of caught on, and, and then people started like, you know, putting their own kids text in the comment section and then messaging me. And so it's kind of evolved into this platform where I people are like, send me stuff in hopes that I'll feature it.

00:02:25:13 - 00:02:36:01
Chip Leighton
And so, like almost everything is from other people at this point. So that so it's it's worked out pretty well because my kids are getting older now. I only have one teenager at this point. So, it's, it's it was a good jumping off point, but now it's kind of gotten bigger.

00:02:36:03 - 00:02:53:15
Paul Sullivan
I love it. So let's go back in that you out there? I mean, how did this, you know, all start, I mean, you know, in your new book, your kids say something like, you know, dad had a good corporate job, and he threw it all away. But, yeah, I mean, how did it tell the the genesis that tell the story of of how the late in show began?

00:02:53:17 - 00:03:10:21
Chip Leighton
Yeah. I mean, it started innocently enough. It was like, I guess it was early 2021. You know, Covid and like I was TikTok was relatively new then. And, I just started, like, using it cause I thought it was a cool platform where anybody would like no following, can post something, and if it's engaging enough, it can go to thousands or millions of people.

00:03:10:21 - 00:03:26:21
Chip Leighton
So I thought I could, you know, maybe be funny like my daughter and I would sometimes watch it together at that point. And, so I just started putting some stuff out there and like, I never thought anybody I knew in real life would ever see it, you know? And, it didn't it didn't go that well. At first, I, I was trying to do, like, weird, funny stuff.

00:03:26:21 - 00:03:45:10
Chip Leighton
And, like, after six months, I had 17 followers, and I was, I was actually thinking about deleting the account, and then, I ran into, like, my sister in law. I was like, I didn't post anything in a while, and I think I posted this thing about, marriage and, like, it went totally viral. And then like a couple weeks later, I posted the first, like, text for my teenage daughter that went viral.

00:03:45:10 - 00:03:54:14
Chip Leighton
And so I kind of figured out that, like, I should be posting about my own life and there's lots of other people out there that relate to it. And so, that's kind of what unlocked it for me.

00:03:54:16 - 00:04:01:09
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. But let's, you're being modest about, I wonder, like, were you the funny guy at work? I mean, you know. No, you were.

00:04:01:11 - 00:04:20:17
Chip Leighton
Not really. I mean, people that know me well would would say I'm funny, but I'm not. Like, I wasn't the class clown. I'm not like, I'm very introverted. So, like, this definitely surprised people like that or the people at work were. I mean, keep in mind this was like early, relatively early TikTok. So like when I started to kind of go viral, people would just I never told anybody I was doing this.

00:04:20:17 - 00:04:36:13
Chip Leighton
So they would be like, hey, you popped up on my TikTok. The other day, is everything going okay? Are you all right? You know, like, what's happening here? And, so it was it was a little bit, awkward for a while there, and I, But but no, you would. No, I I'm definitely not the person you would expect to do this.

00:04:36:13 - 00:04:47:13
Chip Leighton
And it's different because it's like, I don't know, you're. I'm filming stuff by myself in my living room or whatever, so it's not. It's not. It doesn't quite kind of feel like being out there. But obviously this point is a little bit out there.

00:04:47:13 - 00:05:05:14
Paul Sullivan
So all right, let let me just give a little context for, for the listeners. I mean, you have, you know, millions and millions of followers, you know, your post being engaged by hundreds of millions of people. But I looked you up on LinkedIn before, and you literally have 791 connections on LinkedIn, which is crazy because you are, you know, for people.

00:05:05:20 - 00:05:23:01
Paul Sullivan
You went to Bowdoin, you just told me you played squash with both Nescac guys. You then went on to Duke and you got an MBA, and then you worked at a major. I don't know if you're name you a major supermarket chain for the better part of two decades. So you had, a really great, you know, career kind of moving along.

00:05:23:01 - 00:05:39:22
Paul Sullivan
You live in Maine. You know, what was the point where this thing starts to get traction and you go to your wife, or you go to your kids and you say, you know, I think dad is going to chuck aside his his MBA. Forget those years. I'm going to go and become a TikTok star.

00:05:39:24 - 00:05:55:16
Chip Leighton
Yeah. Now, a good question. I mean, I took a while to think about it, so I was I've been doing it for a couple of years. Let's around. And, it was it was still taken off is getting like some media coverage. And then I, I tried to think of what to do next. I ultimately, after talking to people and thinking about, I decided I want to write a book.

00:05:55:16 - 00:06:13:08
Chip Leighton
And so I was like gone through the process of trying to like, get a book deal. And like, I knew at some point, like, and I'm just doing this stuff at night and on the weekends, and my job was like very much a full time job. So it was, you know, it was a lot to do it all at once that I knew, like, I'd never be able to really see where this could go unless I devoted more time to it.

00:06:13:08 - 00:06:31:01
Chip Leighton
So I, and I'm lucky because I, you know, started doing this at like age 50. And so I'd had a successful career to that point. I wasn't, like quite ready to retire. But, you know, we, you know, we'd saved a lot toward retirement and I didn't need to be like, I could take a sort of a step back here, and do something different for a little while.

00:06:31:01 - 00:06:52:20
Chip Leighton
And so, and so, yeah, I made the decision to, to leave. I, and, you know, that's when I started to get obviously a lot of feedback for, especially for my daughter, like, you know. Yeah, she's she's, like, if I read what, what's the intro here? But it was like, you kind of referenced it earlier, but it was like, okay.

00:06:52:20 - 00:07:10:04
Chip Leighton
Yeah. So of course, given his job or dad is even crazier than the rest of you, he literally mortgaged our future so he could be an influencer. Quit a solid paying corporate job in your 50s so you can film insufferable TikToks in a pathetic, pathetic attempt to gain clout. Sign me up. He said so it's it's that.

00:07:10:06 - 00:07:30:09
Chip Leighton
That's the kind of feedback I got. I got a lot of questions about, like doing to start flying Spirit Airlines now. So it was, you know, it was interesting, but, but it's all all worked out great in the first book. Did well. And I've, I've even started to do like some speaking and performance type stuff. So it's, it's been like just a crazy funds, you know, second chapter, an adventure.

00:07:30:09 - 00:07:31:14
Chip Leighton
At this point in my life, I'm very.

00:07:31:14 - 00:07:39:19
Paul Sullivan
Lucky now, to be honest here, because people are going to think this was your wife, like the 17th employee at Nvidia. So none of this matters or.

00:07:39:21 - 00:07:54:24
Chip Leighton
No, no, no, she's she wasn't she she's a lawyer. She makes somebody. But, but she wasn't interviewed. I, I mean, my, my job was pretty good. I was like, the leadership team in my company, and it was like, I mean, it was there's, you know, I was doing well, so it was definitely a trade off.

00:07:54:24 - 00:08:12:06
Chip Leighton
But like, you know, it's, you know, like everything in life is a trade off. And, and, yeah, like, like I said, I was lucky I, I did this at a time in my life when, like, it would be different if I was, like, just starting out in my 20s or whatever, like, hey, can I make a whole life out of this type of thing?

00:08:12:06 - 00:08:21:12
Chip Leighton
I didn't have to do that. It's more like, hey, could I could this be like a bridge to retirement? And if it goes totally south, I guess I can always go back to the corporate world, but I'm not planning to do that.

00:08:21:12 - 00:08:25:03
Paul Sullivan
So what year did you leave? What year did you leave the corporate world?

00:08:25:05 - 00:08:28:00
Chip Leighton
So it's been almost three years now. So be 2023.

00:08:28:02 - 00:08:43:02
Paul Sullivan
So when you went in to your boss at, at the, at the bigger chain and, you said, hey, I'm going to resign. What did he say? Leighton? What are you talking about? Leighton, we don't get the nonsense. Is this, like, what was the response when you tell them you were leaving and why you were leaving?

00:08:43:04 - 00:09:00:03
Chip Leighton
Yeah, I mean, there's. Yeah, he and others were definitely surprised. I mean, I didn't, at the time, I didn't pitch it as like, hey, I'm going to do this social media thing full time. It was more like, hey, I'm, I'm retiring, you know, essentially. And, you know, I want to, you know, do some other things, you know, spend more time with the family, pursue this thing.

00:09:00:03 - 00:09:17:19
Chip Leighton
But it wasn't like I didn't explicitly say, like, hey, I'm doing it for this. It was more like, hey, I'm done. So, but people that were people, people were surprised, just like they were when they, when I started popping up on their phones. But, but it's cool because then, you know, people followed me and supported me, and, you know, and.

00:09:17:23 - 00:09:20:07
Chip Leighton
Yeah, so I've met lots of do interesting people through this.

00:09:20:07 - 00:09:41:18
Paul Sullivan
But yeah, I mean, when you started out, as you said, you started out, it was Covid. It was fun. Let's see what happens. But then as it gains steam and so many dads like me, like all the, you know, thousands of dads who are retired, you. We identify with what you're saying. So at some point, that getting serious and a silly conversation, but at some point did it take on, a bigger meaning?

00:09:41:18 - 00:09:49:03
Paul Sullivan
Did you start thinking of how you're helping? You know, dads laugh at ourselves while going through the very similar things?

00:09:49:05 - 00:10:05:02
Chip Leighton
Sure. I mean, that's that's really the whole reason I do it is I mean, it's not that deep, but like, just to bring people, a moment of laughter or a smile during the day, like, that's that's because I think laughter is really important. It's important part of like, you know, keeping stress levels, you know, in check and getting through things.

00:10:05:02 - 00:10:20:16
Chip Leighton
And so, and so if I can do that at scale and give a lot of people a laugh, you know, during the day, like, that's amazing. I'm happy to, to be able to do that. And, and what I hear a lot from parents, dads and moms is like, especially with the teenager content is, oh, wow.

00:10:20:16 - 00:10:35:15
Chip Leighton
I guess my kid's normal. I thought I thought my kid was like, something's wrong with my kid, or I was like, the worst parent in the world. But apparently we're like, we're perfectly average and everything's good. And I feel better about my parenting as a result. And so, so I feel good to be able to do that because, you know, you don't.

00:10:35:17 - 00:10:52:09
Chip Leighton
You only have your you don't know, like what's normal, what your parent is. You don't have a ton of experience. You have no experience before your first kid. And so, to be able to like, you know, connect with other parents. And this happens like in the comment section of my social media posts. That's that's yeah, I think that's cool.

00:10:52:09 - 00:10:54:04
Chip Leighton
And I think that that helps people a little bit.

00:10:54:06 - 00:11:01:03
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. Does your wife, as an attorney, does she that all of the content that you reference her in or.

00:11:01:05 - 00:11:11:07
Chip Leighton
No. Well, yeah. The thing is I used to do more, marriage related content, like one of the big series I got, I got known for early on was, like, things. I've apologized to my wife.

00:11:11:13 - 00:11:16:13
Paul Sullivan
It's so good. It's so good. It's. I'm breathing too much, I love it.

00:11:16:15 - 00:11:31:24
Chip Leighton
Yeah, yeah, I know it's basic stuff, like, breathing too much or I, the time I was, I, I had sprained my ankle, had one of those walking boots, and I got some feedback. I was limping too loudly going up the stairs. You know, it's it's that kind of stuff, standing in front of the kitchen drawer she wanted to open.

00:11:31:24 - 00:11:49:00
Chip Leighton
And so anyway, that's that's I've kind of took off or, you know, the reasons you said and, I don't I don't do as much of that now. It's I've pivoted more to the teenager stuff because that's really like, I don't know, I'm more known for that. But, yeah. At one point, like a year or so ago, my wife Lisa was like, hey, you haven't done any marriage stuff recently.

00:11:49:00 - 00:12:00:05
Chip Leighton
You should do something, you know, around that again, I was like, oh, interesting. I, I posted posted something and she was like, why did you post that? What is this? You know what I need. So you can't win. But, but anyways.

00:12:00:07 - 00:12:14:01
Paul Sullivan
You can't win. So in the in the new book, dad, can you not, you create the dad meter? Yeah. Yeah. Explain the dad meter to the listeners. Yeah. What what is it? And how does it work?

00:12:14:03 - 00:12:35:04
Chip Leighton
Yeah. So the book subtitle, the book is, you know, a Dads guide to being less cringing. So I figure there's a lot of guys out there who could probably use this. And, one of the things so the book's full of like, hundreds of examples of, like, funny things that real dads did, like, there's a guy who, eat an entire bowl of Thousand Island dressing because he thought it was soup, you know, those kind of moves.

00:12:35:06 - 00:12:56:03
Chip Leighton
But, but I have quizzes throughout the book, and I rate them on my dad meter, which, it's there's basically three, three levels of the scale. It's it's basic mid and extra. So those are kind of like teenager type terms, but like, I'll tell you. Right. Yeah. I tell you whether the, yeah, I can just like, the way I describe in the intro is like, you know, like getting to the airport four hours early.

00:12:56:03 - 00:13:13:18
Chip Leighton
That's like a basic dad behavior. A lot of people do it, you know, kind of known for it. Owning a flashlight the size of a small car, that's like a mid dad behavior. You know, you're starting to get get more interesting and then, like grills during a polar vortex or hurricane, that would be, like, extra. That's like classic dad.

00:13:13:18 - 00:13:20:24
Chip Leighton
So I have two examples throughout throughout the book. And I you can take quizzes and grade yourself on the dad meter. And so it's I think it's, it's kind of fun.

00:13:21:01 - 00:13:42:09
Paul Sullivan
How did it it's it's a brilliant idea like and it's fun and for it's like 140 page book, it's a quick, enjoyable, relaxing, read. It's awesome. But, like, you know, you had what time is doing this book. Is that what was the thinking behind it? Because you already have this very successful online platform just to memorialize it, reach different people.

00:13:42:09 - 00:13:45:14
Paul Sullivan
What was the thinking behind, you know, turning this into a book? Twice.

00:13:45:16 - 00:14:00:21
Chip Leighton
Yeah. I mean, I, it actually wasn't something I was thinking about. And when things start to pick up and I get some media covered, I just, I just like, called a few people that I know in different fields, like I called somebody who like in, like Hollywood, I called, you know, somebody who's in the book publishing world.

00:14:00:21 - 00:14:12:24
Chip Leighton
I called somebody in PR, I just was like, hey, what? Like, where would you like, what do you think? What? Where would you go with this? And like several of them said, oh, you should you should write a book. That's the next natural thing to the platform. And I was like, oh, I actually wasn't thinking about that at all.

00:14:12:24 - 00:14:27:23
Chip Leighton
And the more I thought about it, you know, and, you know, they talked about how like at the time, publishers were trying to figure out how to tap into social media and like, you know, leverage that. But I think they were struggling because a lot of people who are really popular on social media, their stuff doesn't really translate to the printed page.

00:14:27:23 - 00:14:43:11
Chip Leighton
But, the more I thought about it, I was like, oh, mine actually could, because a lot of my posts literally are just words that people are reading on the screen. And so, my literary agent is also a Nescac grad, as you are. She went to Bowdoin, to Julia McKenzie, and, I know her.

00:14:43:11 - 00:14:58:07
Chip Leighton
She's a lot of people I talked to and was like, hey, I'd love to represent you. I was like, oh, I was like, that would be amazing. And so we, yeah, went through the process. And, about the first book and what it is called What Time Is Noon, which is like all teenager texts and, that, yeah, it did really well.

00:14:58:07 - 00:15:10:16
Chip Leighton
And then, this next one, I thought I would, I would, turn the tables a little bit and sort of make fun of myself at other dads. But, but I also include lots of teenager texts in this next book, too, so there's plenty of that.

00:15:10:18 - 00:15:15:07
Paul Sullivan
I love, as Bowdoin had you back for, like, an alumni weekend or.

00:15:15:09 - 00:15:32:02
Chip Leighton
You know what I did? I performed at, it was, reunion weekend this, last year. It was really fun. So, yeah, it was it was it was good. I've done a little bit of performing at colleges that like, parents weekend and reunion weekend kind of stuff because, you know, the, the parents of, of college kids are like, you know, my core audience.

00:15:32:02 - 00:15:34:08
Chip Leighton
So it's, it's it's pretty fun to do that as well.

00:15:34:08 - 00:15:52:01
Paul Sullivan
But now, you said before we came on that, your daughter is, senior in high school, correct? Yes. Yeah. So she can drive for you. But, like, when you're at when her friends come over or you see your friends and they're like, hey, Mr. Late Indebted, what what is your reaction that her friends have that it probably makes her cringe.

00:15:52:01 - 00:15:54:22
Paul Sullivan
But how to her friends relate to to what you're doing?

00:15:54:24 - 00:16:13:11
Chip Leighton
Yeah, I don't know. She keeps them mostly away from the house, probably for that reason. But but but no, that is one of the funny, cringing aspects of this. Like when it started to take off as like, you know, her teachers are like, following me and her friends and stuff. And so they, they obviously think I'm funny, but, yeah, she can't think I'm funny because she's related to me, so it's it's,

00:16:13:13 - 00:16:28:23
Chip Leighton
It is, yeah. It it I yeah, it's a weird dynamic, but, I don't know, I like to think that secretly, you know what, like, kids sort of, you know, are proud of it or I think it's get a kick out of it. But, they wouldn't really tell me that. I don't.

00:16:29:00 - 00:16:46:12
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. Why do you think? You know, it's a it's such a great story. And honestly, like, you bring so much joy to to dads, like me. So that alone is just, a real gift. But what's been the hardest part of this of the past, you know, five, six years?

00:16:46:14 - 00:17:04:09
Chip Leighton
I mean, it's a good question. I mean, in general, it hasn't been hard. It's been it's been a great, you know, privilege and a lot of fun. I mean, it's certainly the last year that I was working full time and doing this like it was a lot. And I sort of tentatively planned on leaving, but I sort of gave myself a year to see if the decision made sense and to see how it played out.

00:17:04:09 - 00:17:27:02
Chip Leighton
And so that that was a lot. But then, I mean, the other thing is like just it's a little bit like like I said, I think I said earlier, I'm an introvert. So I mean, you are putting yourself out there and, there's, I mean, stuff on the internet lives forever. So you don't want to, you know, they do get nervous that I'll do something that's like, you know, that I wish I hadn't, you know, put out there or whatever.

00:17:27:02 - 00:17:43:05
Chip Leighton
I, you know, I try to be pretty careful, and I don't, I think I was saying before we started taping, like, I keep the whole platform PG 13 because I know that there's, like, kids and, you know, parents and teachers and stuff like that. Watching it and, and you never know how stuff is going to age.

00:17:43:05 - 00:17:56:15
Chip Leighton
Right. So, it's, you know, so a little bit of, I'm not like, famous famous, but I'm a little bit of a public figure, I guess. And so it's just, that's a little bit, you know, a little bit uncomfortable, but. But I'm not complaining at all.

00:17:56:17 - 00:18:15:18
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. This has been great, Chip. You know what question? What you touched on a little bit, but what do you think about, you know, what you've learned about yourself as a dad on this journey that you could that the rest of us should also learn? You know, what are some of the things that that come to mind?

00:18:15:20 - 00:18:34:09
Chip Leighton
Yeah, I mean, I think probably a couple things. One is, I think I'm fairly typical. Right. Like I mentioned that when I started posting about my life, like, oh, there's all these thousands or millions of people that relate to it. And so like, hey, I'm not. Yeah. I've got a lot of people that are just like me that, you know, have the same kind of experiences.

00:18:34:09 - 00:18:54:06
Chip Leighton
And there's something, I don't know, comforting about that. The other thing is I, you know, in terms of, like, parenting advice or whatever, because I, because I do a lot of, like, teenage text related posts that that look like I'm featuring like dumb questions or whatever. And so, and I always like to stress, like, I'm not, I'm not trying to make fun of kids.

00:18:54:06 - 00:19:13:10
Chip Leighton
I'm trying to celebrate teen humor because I think they're really fun. And I'm not not trying to criticize parents because, I don't think parents are generally doing anything wrong, but like, but I but I always, like, tell parents, like, I, I wouldn't sweat the small stuff. Like, I wouldn't worry if your kid doesn't know how to mail a letter like I do a lot of texts around, like crazy questions about stamps and stuff like that.

00:19:13:10 - 00:19:29:17
Chip Leighton
Like, you know, can I use a Christmas stamp in July? That kind of stuff. Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't stress if your kid doesn't know how to like, mail letter or like, isn't an expert at laundry or can't write a check or whatever because, like, they'll figure that stuff out. It's not. It's that's not the important stuff.

00:19:29:22 - 00:19:48:07
Chip Leighton
And they could look that up on TikTok or YouTube, but it's kind of nice actually, when they ask you because they feel comfortable and, you know, it's a way of connecting with them. But, but I, I just think, like, as a dad, you got to like, just, Yeah. Focus on the important stuff with your kids, like, you know, teaching them how to be a good person and and treat others well.

00:19:48:07 - 00:19:55:18
Chip Leighton
And I wouldn't beat yourself up if, you know, if they don't know, yeah. They don't know how to write a check or whatever.

00:19:55:20 - 00:20:15:07
Paul Sullivan
I love it, I love it. Chip Layton, thank you for being in my feed. I hope you're in my feed for a long, long time. Author of the forthcoming book. Dad, can you Not a Dad Guide to Being Less Trendy. I've thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed talking today, so thank you very much.

00:20:15:09 - 00:20:17:20
Chip Leighton
That was really fun. Thanks, Paul.

00:20:17:22 - 00:20:35:17
Paul Sullivan
Thank you for listening to another episode of the Comfort of Dads podcast. Really appreciate you tuning in week after week, trying to use this moment here to thank the people who make it possible. Number one, of course, Elder Mira, who is our podcast editor. We also have Skip Sherry Homes, who many of you know from Lead Diaries.

00:20:35:17 - 00:20:58:21
Paul Sullivan
He's taken over our social media. Terry Brennan is helping us with our audience development. And Emily Servant is there, each and every day helping with the web development akin to any of this without, an amazing board, of advisors. So I just want to say thank you to all of you who help. And I want to say thank you to everyone who listens.

00:20:58:21 - 00:21:02:07
Paul Sullivan
And, hopefully you'll tune in again next week. Thanks so much.