Traditions, Transitions & Letting Go

In this episode, Bekah shares about her new book, The Tables That Raised Us, and we talk about the traditions we grew up with—the ones we’ve kept, the ones we’ve made our own, and the ones we’ve had to question and decide whether they still belong in our lives.

That leads us into another kind of letting go: our kids getting older and making decisions for themselves. We talk about how hard that transition can be as single parents, especially when Dad isn’t actively in the picture and there’s no one to tag in when parenting gets heavy. How do you give your kids room to grow when you’ve been the one carrying the responsibility for so long?

It’s a conversation about traditions, transitions, parenting, and realizing that just because something—or someone—is changing doesn’t mean you’re losing it.

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SPEAKER_03 0:02

Thanks and salutations. Hi people, long time no see. I don't even remember the last time we it's been a minute, but that's life, you know? Like we just live life and that's what we do. So welcome to talk out loud. What are we drinking today?

SPEAKER_02 0:25

I'm drinking after party in my beautiful cup. It is just a lazy blackberry margarita. It's lazy because it's not in the shaker. Love that. Are you drinking wine again?

SPEAKER_03 0:40

Uh come on now. I don't know why that's even a question. And we're drinking a nice cap today. So life has been lifing. Life has been lifing. Um I can start with there's this fun little book out called The Tables That Raised Us. And let me tell you what it's about. This is a book of family recipes from both my mother's side and my father's side. And these are just, I don't know about y'all, but we have fun traditions, right? Where we cook the same thing during like holidays, you know, whoop-de-woop, kitty key. So all, you know, because there's four of us, right? They're four sisters, we all kind of have our own traditions. And I wanted a way for everything to be kind of like in one space, if that makes sense. Um between the four of us, the oldest niece nephew, is like turning or just turned 30. And our youngest is 14, 15, 14.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Oh, she's gonna be 15 next month.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

So it's a lot going on. And I just wanted, you know, my parents are, you know, they just celebrated their 55th wedding anniversary. And I just remember thinking, I don't want something to happen to them without being able to pass down the stories that they have given us. And so I've put those stories in a fun little book, and um, so we're gonna talk about it. Well, we're gonna talk about traditions. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Oh, it's brought up because we we had one of our another hour-long conversation, and at the end we're like, this could have been a podcast. Sure could have. Because you had a dream, and I was simply asking, who cares?

SPEAKER_03 2:54

Or why do I don't know how I worded it, but I was just like, why does that matter? What does it really mean for the dad to give the daughter away? Or the parents, because some parents both give the daughter away. What are we really doing? Are we really giving them away? No, like I don't know. I was very, I mean, listen, I got married at 18. I was very an inactive participant in my own, in my own wedding. People would ask me what I want, what the I don't care. I didn't care about any of that. It was a beautiful wedding. Yes, it was. Beautiful wedding. I did not care about the details because I was not that girl sitting up there waiting for my wedding day.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Uh I did not, I did not dream once.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

I wasn't either. I wasn't one of those girls that's like, oh, I dream of my wedding someday.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

No, no, I didn't know what games, and then I guess I thought I was gonna be with a certain person who was not who I married. And then I started thinking, like, okay, I'm gonna have two boys, and then I started naming the boys' names, and then like that was it was just became something I thought I had to do, like go to college, but I didn't want to do that either. I don't know. So I'd say that to say, like, I'm a very non-traditional person. And so when when you were like, Well, I'm giving her away, and I'm like, well, you know, as much of a non-participant as their father is as well. If if my daughter came to me and said, I want my dad to walk me down the aisle, I I would, I don't think that I would care because I don't know what it actually means. So that's what I wanted to like dive into. Like, what do these traditions mean? Like, do we need to Google? Like, I I really don't know. Like, somebody just did it one time and then we're just following along, just like the don't wear white after labor day thing that gets on my last nerves.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

And that also gets on my last nerves as well. There's absolutely things that I think we should question. Like, why do we do this? Right? Like, why can't we wear white after labor day after Labor Day? Who said? But to give context to the listeners, I'm hoping there's people that are listening. So I had a dream that um my daughter was getting married, don't know to who, don't know to what, whatever. And um, I was like play going back and forth with her about who's gonna walk her down the aisle. Now, not in the dream, but in real life, I've told my child that since she was probably like eight or nine, that I will be the one to be walking her down the aisle. Because in my mind, it means that you know, like you belonged to me at this point, and now I'm I'm handing you off to like someone else kind of thing. And it would just really irk my entire if her father, who has not really been a part of the the scene, would be like, Oh yeah, I'm walking her down the aisle, and I'm like, sir, we got zero child support, you were inconsistent. What gives you this notion that you had anything to do with her and how she's been raised or whatever? So that's my stance on it. Um, Tam, I know you're gonna unpack that for me too. I just I never thought that I was gonna have to raise my kid by myself because I didn't want kids in the first place. I was gonna be fun auntie, and I was really good at that role. I was really good at it. And when, you know, he kind of wore me down and I was like, okay, we'll have a kid. And I was like, okay, well, she's gotta be a girl because I'm lost on boys, don't know what to do with them. And um, with a girl, you know, we can go get our nails done, you know, we could do like little kitsy stuff, right? And God did hear my prayer. Thank you for that. I was just like, oh crap, now I have to do this by myself. And my grandmother used to say, um, you know, you weren't meant to pull the wagon by yourself. And I was like, right, granny, like I'm mad. This is hard. It's hard because you don't get an opportunity to like tag year it because I'm exhausted. I'm tired. And so for someone to come in at the ninth hour to swoop in to be like, yes, you know, like I had all these things in in my mind, you know, because it's the whole scenario that I've created in my mind is that you're gonna come in here and people are gonna think that you had something to do with this when you've had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than the sperm. Hope that's not like inappropriate to say on here, but that's all you contributed. When it came to emotional support, developmental, socially, school, uh, doctor's appointments, um, crying, you had nothing to do with that. So to get up on her most important day of her life, I struggle. And so from a very early age, I've told my child, I will be the one to walk you down the aisle. Now, if you want your father to walk you down the aisle, that's fine too. But I will also be walking you down the aisle. And then unfortunately, in the dream, in the dream, um, I was trying to debate if I was gonna say, you know, when there's that part in the wedding where they say, um, who gives this bribe, you know, to this groom or whatever. And um, I was like, we do, we, no, no, I do, I do, because I am the one. Okay, so those are my look, I got all the way on my soapbox. Okay, so we can unpack it. We can unpack it.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

But that's that's my stance on it.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Um I just feel like I'm listening and like saying it. I'm like, but who in the audience is like, oh, was her dad in her life from two to five? Like, no, they don't care.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

They're not in their thinking about that. And I mean, you have to like erase all of all of all of it and just be like, this is her day.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Does she want like the walking up the aisle is like five freaking seconds?

SPEAKER_03 9:11

But it's it's important, otherwise, she wouldn't do it. Is it important to her? Um, well, I've made it important to her because I've told her this from a very young age that I will be the one to walk her down the aisle. So I've made it a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

And I'm not, I'm not against you walking her down. I just I need you to figure out why you don't want him there.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

I just I feel like it's a slap in the face. I feel like when we decided to have this child, we decided to do it together. And you jacked that up. And then I didn't get the luxury of being like, well, I can't do it today, or oh, I don't have the five dollars today. I didn't get the luxury of tapping out when he did. And so I just feel like raising, and it's funny that we're filming this today because my daughter turned 20 today, and I just not gonna cry, but that was hard. It was hard. There were very hard days that we had, and you know, I would say 80% of raising her was super fun, right? She did dance, she did modeling, she's very much has her father's personality, very outgoing, charismatic, draws you in the whole nine, right? And if someone were to try to come in to be like, oh yeah, I had something to do with that, like this amazing person, and really the only two, the only three people that had a lot to do with that is God, my child, and I. And then, of course, my mom, my sisters, my dad, you know, the whole shebang of bang. Like, I could not have done, I could not have raised her by myself. Like it, you need a like they say, you need a village. Yeah, you really do. You really do. I mean, we were sleeping on the floor at one point. I stayed with you. In fact, I've stayed with all of my sisters at some point in my life because life has just lifed. And so I guess I just take like pride, ownership. Like, I don't know, like I almost covet, like this was so hard for me. It's like someone saying, Oh, you got your therapy license? Well, I'm gonna stand and take the therapy license with you. And I'm gonna be like, but you ain't got nothing to do with that. I studied, I did all the work. What what makes you think that you can come in and say that you had something to do with me getting my therapy license when you didn't?

SPEAKER_00 12:09

That's how I go. I don't know why that makes me so angry.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

I get like I understand what I understand where you're coming from. I mean, honestly, she's not coming very I just need to do the right thing out.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Well, I I also just wanted like, does she care? Is she saying like no, he can't be there, or no, of course not. Of course not. I mean, I think that when she was growing up, and you can relate because you have a daughter that's around the age that me and my kid started to struggle a lot. And um she is a lot like him, and it wasn't until she was around this 15, 16 or 14, 15, 16 era where she would ask me all the time, why are you and daddy not together? I'd be like, Ask him. Um, because I never wanted to be the one to taint his image for her.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

I wanted them to have their own relationship, just like I have my own relationship with her, and she can see things for what they are, whether that be positive or negative, she'll see it for herself. And I just, I don't know. I just think that in this time of her life, it was very interesting. Like, for example, graduation, right? He uh he did come down with um his wife or what have you, and um they uh threw money at us at you know, after the party was over, to be like, oh, here, put this on, you know, the party or whatever. And it was just like again, slap in the face. Like you you knew she was graduating this whole year. And you waited until after the party was over to then be like, okay, well, here's a little bit of money. And I wanted to be like, where was this when she was three and four and five and six and seven and eight and nine and so on and so forth? Like, why now? Are you trying to like ease your own conscious conscience? But but I definitely made, sorry, going back to the point, I definitely made walking down the aisle a big deal for her because my father did not walk me down the aisle because I didn't walk down an aisle. And so being able to be a part of that is a big deal for me.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

And that's the other part too, is like I hate that through like her father and I split up when she was like three. And I think our divorce was finalized when she was five. I think it was five. And I never dated again. Like I didn't date anyone, I didn't bring any other men around. I did have a best friend at the time that was male, and that was just kind of like a slow burn, you know, like you trickled in here and there. Then they started saying, smell my fingers, and then they just kind of created their own relationship. And so he would come to her plays, and and he was like a very positive male role model for her, and so was my brother-in-law's, all of them, even you know, yours at some point, he was still significant in her life, and yeah, so I just yeah, anyway, so moving on.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Jesus. I get it. It's a lot. It's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

I think just girls are just so like they have yes, they have emotions, you know, yada yada, right? But like I don't know if I had a boy that it would be that big of a deal, you know? They don't they don't care about that. They don't care about like why didn't you get my hair cut every two weeks? Why didn't I get the latest Jordan sneakers or whatever, you know? But with girls, it's just it's so much more emotional. You know, the you know, when it was time for, you know, um what do you call those things? Like the end of the year homecomings and stuff like that. Like, you know, my dad was there when I went to my senior prom. My dad is very well, daddy is very much like a oh, you're so beautiful. I love, you know, just so involved. Yes, and like so emotionally present and supportive and encouraging. And so I feel like I thrived on that, but I also thrived on my mother, who's very much uh, why did you get that wrong? You're a female, independent, get up, do this. You know, you do not fail, you you know, you keep going, keep going. And so I feel blessed because I had both sides of the penny, right? And my kid didn't. She had me. And I tried really hard in these 20 years to give her the emotional part of it, you know, because obviously I'm a therapist, and the hardcore, like we're independent. We get up, we we may we may struggle today, but we get up and do it again. No, um it was just you know how it is. I mean, you you've been pulling your wagon for a while as well by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Nobody wants to nobody wants to do this by themselves. Like it's hard. So someone swooping in and being like, oh yeah, let me walk her down the aisle. For what? For what?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah. I mean, I I guess I like that way, like, even with her friends, when she wants to like, can we stop by the gas station? Like when you said that, I'm like, oh, I've done that with her friends. She'll be like, Can you stop in the gas station? I want to get like all these their favorite snakes for like so-and-so's birthday. And I was like, But you didn't give me anything for uh or my birthday, like you didn't think it was just oh, I don't have any money, and like then you're asking me for things on my day. And I'm just like, so you you care about your friends more?

unknown 19:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

I feel like a little bit of a narcissist when I do that because I'm like bringing it back to me, and it's that's not what it's about. But it's also sure, that hurts your feelings. Like, excuse me, I provided your entire life, and you want to get their favorite you you have money all of a sudden, and you want to get them a gift, and I like I'm stopping by this door and this door.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

No, I don't want to do any of that. I don't.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

I really don't, but no, I get I I get what you're saying because it is it feels like I've been here doing all the work and you're just you're getting praise.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

Yes, you haven't done things, and you've done nothing. And I'm sorry, but your once a year um Christmas gift or once a year, that does not equate the day-to-day. Oh my god, there was a comedian. There's a comedian that I am absolutely obsessed with right now, and he made this very comment in his sketch. He said, you know, my mom, you know, had me day to day, right? But my father was like, you know, he came around every now and then. He was like, but there was always an expert, uh, an expiration date. There was always a return date, you know. There was not a return date when I was with my mom. When I would go with my dad, it'd be like for the weekend, and then I come back, you know, to like real life kind of thing, right? And so I commend those parents that, you know, and and I am also a firm believer of the kids deserve to be happy and see their parents happy and staying together because the kids is not fair to you or to the kids. So not all marriages work out. That's fine. Where why is there not joint, you know what I mean? I'm not saying that y'all need to live uh, you know, door to door. I'm not saying that. But like, you know, take them for the summer or you know, like it I get it, if I have them every week for school, then why don't you have them every weekend? Like, I can't imagine Tam not being around my kid.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Like, I can't imagine not having her around. And the fact that someone can go through their life and just I, you know, honestly, I don't know what it's like for him. Because maybe it does mess with him. Because I know she stayed with him for like seven or eight months, and I was sick, like throwing up, calling my mom, and mom just had to keep saying, Do you really think that he would call? Her harm, Rebecca. You've got to calm down. She will be okay. And I'm just like, you won't let her answer the phone. I haven't spoken to her. She was crying the last time I talked to her, you know, and she could 100% been manipulating me, and I would have felt for it because I I do. But I was sick. Like I was sick to my stomach throwing up because she was not with me. Maybe that's codependent. That's another episode for another guy. Shoot. I'm better now, folks. I'm better now. I mean, we've been apart for two years now. I'm I'm doing pretty good.

unknown 22:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

I have survived. I'm here in LA. She is in Atlanta. We don't talk every day, even though before we did separate, we were like, we're gonna talk every day. And honestly, life life, right? So it's like, no, I don't, I don't talk to you every day, but I do know, like, if it's been two or three days, I'm like, oh no. Uh you do that to me too. You're like, if I have to scroll too many times to find your name, then it's a problem. I don't know if mom, do you think mom and dad feel that way?

unknown 23:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Like, oh, I didn't hear from them today or this week, or yes, but mom is more, you know how she is. Like, she's just gonna wait.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

She's she's she's like that. She's gonna wait and be like, oh, well, hello. Oh yeah, she is. I'll be like, hi. I've been super busy. You know, you almost have to give a reason why you you haven't talked to them because you just not fathom, like, I'm here every day, girl. Yeah. I mean, she misses us. She wants, you know, us to be around more, talk to us more.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

But me today. I was like, oh, hey girl.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

I mean, I think that because you live so close to them, they rely on you a lot. Because even when like daddy or mom like call me, they're like, oh, well, Tamara was just here, Tamra did this, Tamara, Tam, Tamara, Tam, Tamara. And I'm like, oh, I'm so grateful, you know, that you're so close because I do worry about them. I mean, my mom will be 80 this, or our mom will be 80 this year, and she looks, I mean, she doesn't look 80. Let's let's start there, but um, you know, they're getting older in age, which is why traditions, sorry, getting back to the whole thing, but like that's why traditions are so important because it's like who's gonna pass down, you know, one nine-nees if if it's not us, right? Our mom, when she would like count things, it would be like one nene-ninny nene, two nine nen-nies. Like, I just feel like that's almost making me like sentimental, but it's like that's like comforting. It's like home, you know. Um, you know, Dahlin fussing at us. Dahlin is our our grandmother, but you know, fussing at us every time we walked in the door. I feel like if she didn't fuss at me, I'd be like, What's wrong with you? She'd be like, Well, I can't say nothing because you know, people get their feelings hurt. I was like, you might as well just say it now because you didn't already make it a big deal now. But where every time I would walk in the door, she'd be like, Oh, you fat. I'm like, Thank you, Don. Thank you. She'd be like, I mean, you're still pretty.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Uh uh. And she thinks. No, I don't really, I don't really remember her fussing, I guess, because I don't I never really went over there by myself. Like her and I didn't have that kind of relationship.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

I always like try a little call or somebody would call me like I'm going over there. I'm like, okay, great, I'll meet you over there. Cause I didn't want to be by myself. I didn't really, she could never hear what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

She'd be like, huh? I'm really like, talking in your throat. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

So well, I guess she did fuss at me. That was the fussing that I was the fussing. It's just like it makes you feel loved. Because it's like, oh, you didn't.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

And then when I would leave, when I would leave, she'd just be like towards the end, when I would leave, she'd be like, oh, see you in another six months. I was like, no, I'll be back before that, dog. And I wouldn't. I think that, but it's like, oh no, I'm just not a I guess because I we just by the time I came along, there was no cousins, there was no family.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Like it was only Dolan's house that we went to. So I just don't really have that that type of vibe.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

We're like, I gotta see my grandma, I gotta, I gotta do this, I never do that. I just didn't really have that spirit.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

I hope our kids feel that way about our parents. Like, let me check on Nana and Papa, let me see what they've got going on. Or, you know, during the holidays, we always knew that we were going to Doll in the Papa Wills. Like it was, it was second nature, like it wasn't even a question, you know? It was just this is what we did.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

She didn't want to carry on that tradition. So then when nobody wants to go there, it's I mean, I don't think it's a surprise now, but in the transitional period when we were all like married and had our own families and doing our own traditions. I'm sure it made her sad, but I'm like, you didn't want to carry on Dahlin's tradition of cooking and hosting. You didn't want that. So you don't got that.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Is that it? Because I feel like mom is all about like not centering fellowship around food. But Dolin was a host. I'm I'm so glad you said that word because that's exactly that's exactly where we get it from. She was a host. And she hosted people all the time. She always had some random people. Sorry to those random people. She would have like random people.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

She did. She did.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Yeah. I love to host. I'd love to be at my home. You can come here.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

I mean, that's how I felt. I'm not trying to go nowhere. I'm not trying to travel. I want to drink and be merry. And I could do that in my home, and all I have to do is walk up the stairs.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

Mm-hmm. And I mean, the age we are now, it's like people don't come empty-handed. I mean, if you have the right friends, too. Yeah. So it's really not all on you. It doesn't have to be all on you. I I don't like to bake. They will bring me the desserts in a second. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

I appreciate it. I want to eat it. I don't want to cook it. Whatever's going to take me a long time, you don't have it.

SPEAKER_03 28:49

You are an excellent host because it's very like welcoming. You have food, you have cocktails, you like our our cups are never dry kind of situation. And I am grateful for that because when I do go back to Houston, it's like, oh it's like I don't I don't have to perform. I don't have to like you know put on a show. It's just like I can just sit down and be me and drink and be merry and watch something good on TV and scroll my phone. Like, what better relaxation is that? But I do, I mean, when I did have friends, like we did a Friendsgiving that was super fun. And you know, I did have like lots of you know get togethers at the house, and those were fun too. I do feel like I get that from my grandmother, and I don't get that from mom. Like she's not a no, hey, everybody come over, or you know, like when we go to Dolans, there was always cookies in the cookie jar. I don't ever recall a time that there wasn't until she got a little bit older, and then you know, I would bring, I would just bring the cookies and be like, taste this, you know. Um, so in the cookbook or whatever, it it is heavy on her because in my growing up, she was the cook. I don't recall my daddy cooking ever. And when I talked to him about it when I was making the cookbook, I was like, Daddy, I don't recall you cooking. He's like, because I didn't.

unknown 30:24

I was like, dang, okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

He did, I mean, he for me, but when we moved here.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Oh yeah. When he was like that, I would say that was my caregiver because uh mom was at work, she worked like 14 hour days, 12 hour days. Like, didn't see her. And if I did, it was because she was off, and I was more mad because she didn't take me to school and I had to catch the bus still.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Because I'm like, girl, you off. If you like Tatum, you're off. Why aren't you taking me? And then now I'm I've many times apologized to my mom, like, I'm so sorry. This is your day off. It was your day off, girl, and I get in there. But I did that as a teenager. Well, I just see your body, and how come you're not taking me? Right. And that's what she sees. So I'm like, I either have to purposely get up and leave, which is still right. Like, but if I'm if my body is here, she is going to think like, oh, she can take me.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

You're available, you are free and available.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

I have to catch the bus, like, just why though?

SPEAKER_00 31:24

And I'm like, every day, every day you ask me this question, girl. Get up, that is your transportation, not me.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

It is a pro I was like, it is a privilege for me to take you to school. The presentation is El Buso. Yeah, and since then, Lane has been finding a ride to school every day. He likes to stay with another family for a day, four out of the five days, just that he could ensure that he had a ride to school because he said senior year, I will not be on the bus.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

And that just means like you are capable. You are capable. When it is something that you want to do, you will find a way. So don't come to me with I couldn't find, no, no, no, no, no. If you were able to find a way to get to school five days out of the week or four days out of the week, you could find a way to take this trash out. He didn't have a ride home. I really thought it was gonna be, I thought it was gonna be a little girl.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Those don't messed up my nail appointment. And sure enough, she had already communicated and said, Can I go to McDonald's and then the volleyball game? Do you have a ride home? No, I need to come get you. Okay, cool. Don't be alone, don't leave yourself anywhere. Have a buddy, especially if you're walking. Um, but then as soon as I put my feet in the water, landing close. Can you come pick me up? Um, are you still at work? No. No, I'm not. I was like, what happened to the 18 rides you've had since school started? Where are those people? And he hates when I ask questions. He gets so flustered, it's hilarious. He'll be like, what does that have to do with right now? Like, right now I need a ride.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

And I'm like, That's how we were raised. I feel like you had to come with your dissertation before you had to defend it.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

I'm still not gonna get you because I'm literally in the chair, but like I really am concerned. I'd be like, no, I'm really concerned. I would really like an answer on where is your rides? Did you think that you had one and they left you at the last second? Like, I really want to know what happened. How why weren't you on the bus if you didn't have a ride? Like, fill in the blanks for me. I got questions. So he'd be like, but that's that's never mind, mom. And then be like, if you can't problem solve, how are you gonna go out to college? He's like, I've literally been problem solving the whole year. I was like, oh, the two and a half weeks.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

You're doing a great job. Super fantastic. Oh man, look at the time. Good God. Okay, well, on that note. Take a look, look, closing thoughts. Take a look at the traditions that you have now and really sit back and question why do I do that? Do I still believe that?

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Is it serving me now? To a fun talk out loud.