This week's In-Between episode invites special guests, Sarah Alice Liddy and Audrey Jean Flowers, from the Completely F***ing Clueless podcast!
Sarah and Audrey hail from the Big Apple itself, New York New York (sang like Frank Sinatra), and have that GZC - Gen Z Confidence, baby!
Seriously though, the three of us had so much fun. Topics for today's episode include:
Sarah and Audrey are fabulous! This conversation empowered me to own my content and channel my self-confidence like a queen.
You can follow Completely F***ing Clueless on Instagram @completelyfuckingclueless, TikTok @completelyfckingclueless and YouTube @completelyfckingclueless.
Follow Sarah, @sarahaliceliddy & Audrey, @a.j.flowers
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This week's In-Between episode invites special guests, Sarah Alice Liddy and Audrey Jean Flowers, from the Completely F***ing Clueless podcast!
Sarah and Audrey hail from the Big Apple itself, New York New York (sang like Frank Sinatra), and have that GZC - Gen Z Confidence, baby!
Seriously though, the three of us had so much fun. Topics for today's episode include:
Sarah and Audrey are fabulous! This conversation empowered me to own my content and channel my self-confidence like a queen.
You can follow Completely F***ing Clueless on Instagram @completelyfuckingclueless, TikTok @completelyfckingclueless and YouTube @completelyfckingclueless.
Follow Sarah, @sarahaliceliddy & Audrey, @a.j.flowers
Connect with me:
https://in-between.co
@in.betweenpod on Instagram
@elizabethcheney_ on Instagram
@theinbetweenpodcast on TikTok
The In-Between Podcast on YouTube
Hey, hey, hey. Welcome back to an all new InBetween. I'm your host Elizabeth Cheney, and I am so excited. I have the lovely ladies of the completely fucking clueless podcast here with me, Audrey Jean Flowers and Sarah Alice Liddy. They are fabulous. 25 somethings Mid-twenties, somethings Gen Z, somethings confidence queens. They are amazing. Um, I met them on the internet. That's how we do things nowadays. But Anyw, who welcome to the in Between podcast.
Sarah:Thank you. Hi everyone. So happy to be here.
Elizabeth:Um, this is lovely Sunday, Sunday morning. Yes.
Sarah:Yes. It's a rainy Sunday in New York.
Elizabeth:Yeah, it's, it's rainy and gross here in Atlanta too, but also New York. Ugh. How I, I just, I, I have fomo. I'm jealous do you ladies love living in New York? Is it amazing?
Audrey:I love New York. I mean, there's a lot of challenges to it, but I, I absolutely adore it.
Sarah:Yeah, I grew up here. I grew up 30 minutes outside of the city, and so I love it. And it's so funny because both of my brothers go to school on the West Coast and enjoy the West coast, and I'm like, I just don't see my life anywhere besides New York. Like I just can't see myself anywhere else.
Elizabeth:It seems like a different kind of beast. Like it just, it just, it seems like you don't know until you go there. Like you just, you
Sarah:For sure. Yeah. And I feel like because I've been navigating the city since I was young, because of all the theater stuff I would do, like it doesn't, it's, it's definitely a beast. And I'm like, oh, like this is just normal life. Sort of like, you know, you're just like, this is where I grew up. This is my habitat. So I'm like, you know, I'm gonna knock some people out on the street, put on my like bitch, focus face and just go for it.
Audrey:I, I I grew up in Massachusetts, so not that far. Uh, and so I'm glad that it wasn't like completely new to me.'cause I definitely had a lot of friends who, like, when they moved to the city, it was like New York, the City of Dreams. And I had very like, idealistic views of it, which like is very fair and I think a lot of people naturally have. I came here just enough growing up that I knew that like, it is kind of a garbage fire, but it's our garbage fire,
Sarah:Yes. Gar badge fire.
Elizabeth:you know,'cause I kind, I, I just feel like I'm gonna come off the plane or off the train and it's gonna be like New York, New York, like, just like waiting for me when I get off. So it's not like that. It's not.
Audrey:No, someone literally set, uh, my building, we put our trash out on the street, obviously, for them to pick it up and a couple months back, someone literally set it on fire and it melted two cars.
Sarah:Oh yes. The cars,
Audrey:And I walked out and there was just like a partially melted car that was on our street for two weeks and it was like, oh, okay,
Elizabeth:I don't even know what to say to that. Like that, that that doesn't happen in Atlanta, I'll tell you that. But that's who pays for that. Like that's, yeah. Hmm.
Audrey:insurance doesn't cover if your car gets accidentally lit on fire.
Elizabeth:That's what I'm just like thinking, like who's responsible for that? Oh gosh. Interesting.
Sarah:Things happen in the city. Like I'll be on the subway like almost every time I'm on the subway. There is a moment where you're like, ah. New York City because somebody is just doing something fucking insane. And sometimes I'm that person, like I'm literally like recording myself hand up like on the subway and I bet people look at me and they're like, New York City. Like that's just it. But it's also like so amazing in that way because truly nobody gives a fuck. Like you just get to like do and be whoever you want. And I think like that's the nice thing about like being a content creator in the city is that, yeah, sometimes I'm like, oh God, I'm like filming myself on the subway and then I'm like, you know what? Nobody gives a fuck. Like just do me.
Audrey:And there also are still like, I think for me, I plan on being in New York pretty long term, but I think what I would know is the sign that it's time for me to leave is if I don't still have moments that feel magical. Like there's still, like it is a really special magical city and like. There is so many beautiful, wonderful things about it, and if I stop appreciating those and stop seeing like the wonder, beauty and magic in those someday, like maybe it's time to leave
Sarah:Mm
Elizabeth:I love that. I do not feel magic living in Atlanta, I'll tell you that. Atlanta's not, it's not magical like New York. I mean, it's got, it's got great food, but I mean, still is New York, so I don't even know why that I even said that. But yeah, I I, I've never really been in New York, which is crazy'cause I was a theater kid and so I've never been to Broadway. Which Audrey, like you're trying to get on Broadway, right? Like that's like what you're trying to do.
Audrey:that someday. My dad
Elizabeth:It's gonna happen.
Audrey:and I'm like, I'll tell you, Jeffrey, when it's gonna happen. I'll let you know. It's not that I'm like
Sarah:It is.
Audrey:from you.
Sarah:It is so much harder than I think people realize, because I know when we graduated from our musical theater program, I was still under the impression that like, not that it was easy, but I think it was going to be a little easier than I thought. Um, it is so hard. It is so hard. And I think the entertainment industry as well, like just all the different like roadblocks that they've built up sometimes can make, therefore make it even harder. Um, but it, it's so like, cool getting to see not only Audrey, but other friends of ours, like trying to make the dream happen and like seeing all the steps that go into like making that dream happen.
Elizabeth:I was gonna say before we started recording, Audrey didn't know that I was on the, the, the platform and she was singing and it was beautiful. Not that I would be like, think anything otherwise, and she's just singing. I'm like, oh my God, this is lovely. This is
Sarah:Aw.
Elizabeth:So it's gonna happen. Just don't give up. Don't give up.
Audrey:Thank
Elizabeth:Don't give up.
Audrey:I a kid, I was known for singing when I went to the toilet.
Elizabeth:I love that. I love
Sarah:toilet singer.
Audrey:Yeah.
Elizabeth:Um, the Ette sga. Audrey, Audrey, Jean Flowers. Thank you everybody. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. So, okay. I, I love, I love the vibes. New York, y'all seem very New York. I feel like I would thrive in New York, but whatever. We're here in the south, so, um. Sarah, you're talking about like, this is so New York, like when you're filming content on the subway, all this. So I kinda wanna talk real quick, like how did y'all get, get into content? How did you two meet? Like were you college friends? Were you like, well you said you grew up in Massachusetts, so I'm assuming not high school. Um, and then what got you into podcasting and content creation?
Audrey:So we went to the same music theater program, um, in college. And so our like class, which was our specific major in our grade, there was like 21 of us. Sarah and I were like pretty good friends. We became closer in the pandemic because we were in the same pod together, so it was only us and like three other people that we could see at all our senior year. with the pandemic. So we spent a lot of time together. It was like every single night it was like, so what are we doing? It's only us and we can only hang out with each other. So we're all hanging out, right? Like, what are we doing tonight? Watching more TV and drinking wine. Cool. Uh,
Elizabeth:That sounds amazing. I'm not gonna lie, that sounds amazing.
Sarah:That was the pandemic in college was like us, like, like just trying to rage like the five of us, like five girls. Like we were just like, you know, trying to make the most of it. It was, it was really hard. But yeah, we were, yeah, it was, and, and being in a music theater program during the pandemic was just like, especially hard because, I mean, the, the theater industry has still like, massively changed since the pandemic, like 12 Broadway shows are closing next month. Like, it is it, it's fighting the hard fight, the theater industry. Yeah. And so.
Elizabeth:like even now, like after.
Sarah:Yeah, I think it's really hard for like, uh, the, like productions that don't have a big star or a big budget to really do well. Like the shows that are, you know, written by passionate theater people aren't really succeeding. And it's so sad to see because like, those are really the, the magnificent stories that are being told. Not like that the, you know, big Moulin Rouge isn't great, but like, it's not going to be the same as like seeing something that's like very intimate and like very artistic, you know?
Elizabeth:I agree with that.
Audrey:of the cities, there's still a lot of empty storefronts. It's better than two and a half years, and it's gotten better, but there are still way more storefronts and restaurants and everything empty than there used to be pre pandemic.
Elizabeth:interesting. Well, I, I, that kind of surprises me'cause, I mean, I know during the pandemic, like New York was like, everyone's moving out kind of thing. But I, I kind of thought that that might have gotten a little fixed, a little, you know, different since, but I guess not.
Audrey:It's gotten better, but it's just. The city is not a hundred percent bounce back.
Elizabeth:Hmm.
Sarah:Yeah, it's definitely, it was scary during the pandemic. Like I remember going to my doctor's office like a couple times during that, like first like six months. Like it was scary, like seeing nobody there, nothing on the streets. Um, but yeah, we met in college and we got closer. As you know, we progressed in college and then. I was doing summer stock right after school, and I have always loved like podcasting. I got really into watching YouTube in college, um, and I was like, I kind of like wanna start a podcast. And I was just like, I don't wanna do this on my own. Um, I wanna have somebody to do this with. Somebody had given me advice to have something that was like artistically my own. Um, that was like her advice from being post-grad in the theater world. She was like, try and have something that like you're, you can show up to. For yourself that you're not like being rejected. You don't have to audition for all that stuff. And so I reached out to Audrey and I was like, would you wanna start a podcast? Because we've always had like very similar like aesthetics. And I thought that would kind of like be cool to work with. And you know, she was also in New York, a lot of like, our other friends weren't, but I don't think I would've started a podcast with any of our other friends. Like, no offense to them, love them, but like, it just like wasn't their, I don't, I didn't think it was any of their vibes. Um, and yeah.
Audrey:worked quite focusly together, so like we had to do a lot of like fundraising with our like class and like that was a big part of the college experience and Sarah was our like classes financial person, and I was our classes manager, so we'd already knew that we could work together Competently.
Sarah:A hundred percent. That's so true. I didn't even think about that. But yeah. And we decided that we wanted to start a podcast and it just kind of took off from there.
Elizabeth:I love that. Well, you, you, you both feed off each other very well, like your podcast. I love listening to it. it has that best friend vibe. It feels like you're just having like a girl talk kind of thing. But yeah. Well, well done. Good placement. Good placement ladies. Um,
Sarah:Yeah, we always say that like I'm the one that keeps us on the track and Audrey's the one that takes us off the track and it's totally true. Like I feel like we compliment each other in that really fun way. You know, I think she teaches me to like, you know, sometimes like not have to be so like stern and in the box and then hopefully I teach her like we're bringing it back in the box.
Elizabeth:that's good though. You need, that's like the best partnership right there. Like you need that kinda that yin and yang, so to speak.
Sarah:for sure. For sure.
Elizabeth:Yeah, doing the solo is hard. I'm not gonna lie. It's hard, but I don't know who the hell I do this with. So there we go.
Audrey:doing it alone.
Elizabeth:You
Sarah:we always say that.
Elizabeth:that's why we have breaks sometimes. And that's why I've gotten better about like journaling out, like what I'm gonna say. When I first started, I, I thought I had to have like a, a, a real in-between like, yes, a real in-between, but had to be something deep and significant and this or that. And like that is exhausting,
Sarah:A hundred percent.
Elizabeth:you're not like doing okay, like how am I gonna tell these people to love themselves today when I just feel like a trash can? You know what I mean? Like, so I've learned like, okay, you can take those shackles off. It's okay. Like you can have, it's your podcast, believe it or not. You can say what you wanna say. So yeah, it's really hard, but you both do it so well together, like, yeah. Love it. Um, so. Talking about confidence. I love when you talk about on your, you're on the subway and like, I'm just filming, filming, filming content and like, I'll watch your content. I'm like, God, I wish I could make those videos. Which again, I know I could technically, but I just can't do it. Like the aesthetic that you ladies like, and not even just YouTube, but like your generation seems to really capture, um, and it doesn't have to get into like a Gen Z versus millennial type thing.'cause I actually think out of all the generations, our two kind of really work well together.
Sarah:Mm-Hmm.
Elizabeth:'cause like we grew up on the internet, but y'all grew up on social media. So we have that together versus like the older generations who are just like, what's a printer? How do I open up a PDF? You know? But then you have like gen Alpha coming up, which apparently some of them aren't even born yet. And all I hear from my teacher friends is how entitled they are. So I just feel like Gen Z millennials, like. We, we, we get together like we need to be friends and cohesive. So with that said, gen Z seems to have like this confidence, like this online confidence persona that I, I want a piece of that cake. Like I want that de lulu that delusional. Like I, I'm gonna sound so old when I say this, but I'm thinking of old hashtags on TikTok.'cause like, I'm that millennial that, you know, turns on TikTok. Then two weeks later I see it on Instagram, you know, um, but like the, the tube girl energy,
Sarah:Mm-Hmm.
Elizabeth:girl energy. So talk about that and also understand like it's okay if you don't have that confidence all the time. If you did, I'd be amazed. Um, but what, let's speak to like the Gen Z confidence, which you guys think that online presence, is it an online presence or is it literally like internalize your persona and Yes, I am simplifying the entire generation to you two, but.
Audrey:I, I, this is something I've thought about a lot actually, and my point of view has always kind of been,'cause I think that Gen Z has this sort of like nihilistic humor to it, and I think it's because, like we are the very beginning of Gen Z.
Elizabeth:Mm-Hmm.
Audrey:and so again, I have a lot of siblings spanning a lot of different generations. And so I've gotten to watch and I think millennials were born when they were still sort of sold the promise of like the American dream and like, if you do X, Y, and Z, you can blah, blah, blah. Whereas I think like we were born in a place where it's like, Hey, the world's on fire. Good luck. Figure it out. Uh, and we were never promised, like we were into like, Hey, the world's fucked. Uh, good luck. And we were never told that we were going to be able to like buy the house, half the 2.5 kids. So I think there's always been this
Elizabeth:2.5.
Audrey:of like, ah, fuck it. Like
Elizabeth:That's a great point actually, like I thought about that, but I'd never thought about it explicitly said like that. And I That is a very valid point.'cause you're right, we were kind of told, like millennials were told that dream and that reality, and then we got to that point and it's like, oh shit, this is not how we were told. And like, y'all didn't even have that fake, fake out. You, you knew going in, I got my armor, this shit sucks. I'm like,
Audrey:entered the party and shit was already on fire and we were like, oh, so this isn't gonna be a fun time. Okay.
Sarah:Yeah. I feel like for me, you know, my parents kind of, because I've always been into performing and theater and stuff like that, they kind of always gave me this, go after your dreams. Like, you know, my dad, he works in finance and you know, he did that to provide for his family, but he was like, you know, I think in, in his dream life, he would be like a. A sports like broadcaster, like radio host, like almost like a podcaster. I've, I've told him to start a podcast. Um, he's a great, yeah, he's a great talker. And so he kind of always fed this like, to my brothers and I like, go after your dreams. And I think for me that is kind of like what I've led with, you know, whether it was like, I wanna be on Broadway or like kind of shifting post grad to like, you know, I'm seeing all these cool people online, like creating like things about their life. Like, I wanna do that too. And like you said, there are days where I wake up and I don't wanna film and I don't film. I think like, you know, like the pressure conversation that we had on CFC, like. We put all these pressures on ourselves, and I think when you are creating content, you know, you hear the post two times a day post on every platform, all of this, it is so hard to fucking keep up with. Like there a new platform comes out every day and you can only do your best and you like if you're doing this on top of having a full-time job, like whatever. So I just try and bring, like if I'm like, Ugh, I really wanna film today, like that's the day I'm gonna film because I'm gonna show up as like my best like self to that filming. You know? I never do it when I don't wanna do it. Um, and even, you know, there are days, I gotta say when we podcast that I'm like, not a hundred percent in it, but usually once I get like 20% into it, I'm like, good to go. So sometimes it's even just like, you know, taking the step like, all right, maybe if I start this. I'll, I'll feel that confidence, I'll wanna go into it, but if I don't like, it's okay to back out, like whatever. Um, but I think, yeah, it is really being d Lulu, like on the subway, like I have just learned, you know what people are gonna stare. They're gonna be like, what the fuck is this girl doing? But I have a dream and I wanna make that dream happen. And at the end of the day, like, who cares what this person thinks? Because like in a year, in a couple months, like. I, I could be like living my dream and it's because I took this risk of like filming my life and, you know, being cringe. I love Tess Barkley on TikTok because she always talks about embracing, like the cringe of it all. And it really is, it, it's kind of cringey. Um, I know like a confidence goal of mine that I have right now is posting more on my Instagram for some reason. Like, I'm so out there on my TikTok, like I do not care. But for some reason Instagram feels like still, like people from high school are watching. And so it's been a little bit harder for me to like post my stuff on Instagram, but I'm trying to like slowly just do it and, and like embrace it.
Elizabeth:I, I feel that about TikTok. Like I always joke and say, TikTok is my sandbox. Like. I haven't posted since I lost Luna in November, but I wanna get back into it. I'm getting back that motivation, also I need some sense of like, normalcy, you know? Um, but TikTok is like, I have that exact same mindset, like, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want on TikTok, just be crazy. And then I get on Instagram and I'm like, oh
Sarah:literally I get shy. I am like, oh my God. Like people from high school are like watching this. People are liking it from high school and it's just like, yeah, I'm trying to just be like, who cares? Like at the end of the day, this is like what I am enjoying doing right now, and I'm just gonna give it my all.
Elizabeth:I love what you said about like, it's cringe. Yes. But like in a year, six months. I'm living my dream like that. Like that was very powerful. And I think I'm gonna take a, a little note from that one. Uh,'cause it's true. Like I will overthink something and then I'll think, well, who cares about this? And I'm like, well, I'm watching content like this, so obviously I care. So like obviously somebody else is gonna care. Um,
Sarah:Right.
Audrey:in the world there's like kind of a thing of where it's embarrassing to care about something too much and it's like. That's so silly. Just let me
Elizabeth:good point.
Audrey:thing. Like my favorite TV show that I'm like very passionately invested in is a Dungeons and Dragons TV show. And is that incredibly silly? Yeah.
Elizabeth:I love Dungeons and Dragons.
Audrey:it's okay to care about things like.
Elizabeth:It
Sarah:A hundred percent. Yeah.'cause if you look at all the people, like let's say like, you know, I think there's a lot of influencers in New York that a lot of people know and follow in love. Like they decided one day to pick up a camera and start filming themselves out on the streets or taking photos. And like Audrey and I have done it before, like it is so awkward at points when people are walking past you on the street and you're taking pictures and tiktoks and stuff. But I think at the more you do it, the more you're like, I don't give a fuck. Because like, practice, like makes you feel like, all right, like I am building this confidence here. And then yeah, kind of like what I said, like, you never know what can happen by like posting online and, and shooting your shot. And you know, whether it happens in a month or years, like, I feel like I've watched different content creators who have had all the different types of journeys of building an audience. And so I just try and remind myself like, you know, you are fighting the hard fight. You're showing up in the best ways that you can. And, and that's enough.
Elizabeth:I love that. Hell yeah. Hmm. Top of that Gen Z confidence. Let's, let's get that like, good, good goodness. Um,
Sarah:try, I try, you know, telling yourself this stuff. I think, like Audrey talks about this a lot on our podcast, like, what you tell yourself is like what you're gonna believe. And look, there are days, like I mentioned, uh, a little while ago, like I had a really hard week mentally because I was sick. And so I'm feeling like, oh my God, I'm not doing enough. Like, ah, but then like I have to, you know, shift my mindset and say like, wait, let's pause for a second. Like, let's, let's look at what you actually did this week. I cut six clips while still having COVID and we're posting them online and we're showing up today. Like, you know, like give yourself more credit.
Elizabeth:that's a definitely a good rule of thumb.
Sarah:Yeah.
Elizabeth:well, my next question I was gonna ask is, do you feel like your generation is more online? do you feel the pressure to post? Because like I noticed the type of content that really is popular is like the day in the life the get ready with me. Like it's just like life stuff.
Sarah:Yeah.
Elizabeth:and maybe one day I will be good at capturing all those little moments. Um, I'm not, I'm like, I'm like that person's like, oh, that was a great meal, but I've already eaten it. So when I take a picture of the empty plate. Um, but do you feel one pressure to constantly post and share your life? Two, do you feel like your generation is too online? and just kind of talk around those themes.
Audrey:I constantly say that I'm glad that we grew up when we did. Like I'm really glad that social media was not really a thing when we were kids. Like, I'm so thankful that even like the iPhones weren't a thing when I was a kid. I'm incredibly thankful for that because I think that there are a lot of downsides that are negative for our fully developed adult brains, much less for a child.
Elizabeth:Mm-Hmm.
Audrey:as far as like filming stuff, it's not intuitive. You just start doing it and eventually you get kind of used to it. But like it's very weird and it's also weird of like, it is performative no matter how authentic, like the influencer you're watching is like there's a good chance that they did a couple takes of that. Like
Sarah:Oh, a hundred percent.
Audrey:to some level. And it is very weird existing, like in this performance of authenticity and like trying to sort of work the line. Um, and I'd say I definitely used to feel a lot more pressure with social media stuff. I think kind of like hitting the sort of like bottom of the pit that I kind of did has like kind of made it like I sometimes will go weeks without posting anything on social media. Is it probably the smartest thing long term? No. But if I really don't want to and I'm not enjoying it, it's a, I don't wanna make myself do something I'm not going to enjoy, and b, it's not gonna be very good content if you're forcing yourself to,
Elizabeth:Yeah.
Audrey:I think you have to sort of find the balance, but I think you gotta get okay with like just stepping away from it because it can be horribly toxic.
Sarah:Yeah. You know, Audrey, it's so funny that you talk about like. Our childhood and not growing up with it. I yesterday, or no, this morning actually, I was like looking on Instagram and I saw Scott Disick was, you know, had like all the Kardashian little kids over and what were they doing? They were filming tiktoks. Like, he was like, all the girls are over and they're all like shooting tiktoks and things like that. And look, do I think that it's a way for these kids to perform and express themself? It's a part of culture. A hundred percent. But like, I am so happy that I didn't grow up, like making tiktoks for fun. Like I played with American Girl Dolls and like, I was a nanny for a year post grad and I just saw like the lack of imagination in kids. And like all they wanna do is sit on YouTube and, and do these things. And I totally get it, but I'm like, wait, what happened to like playing house and like, and using your imagination and, and things like that. So I, you know, I think it's this double-edged sword and I think. For me now I have a nine to five that is in social media and so. I am constantly online. Like it is wild how much I am online. And, you know, something that I have to catch myself sometimes doing is like, I need to take myself offline and usually is when my weekends are, when I kind of take myself offline, like spending time with my friends or my partner. Like, I really try to step back, especially from TikTok and not like be on it so much. Um, but I agree with what Audrey said. Like I think you just get into the habit of picking up the camera. I know for me that something that helped me in my content creation was. Figuring out like what I do on a daily basis that I like to film. Like I tried the whole getting ready with me thing and I don't enjoy, like, I find it very hard to do my makeup and talk at the same time like it was, and I think a lot of people do, but like I get, it's a trend, but I was like, this just doesn't feel natural for me. And also, I know for me, doing my makeup is kind of like me time. Like it is a time where I decompress. I like to put on a YouTube video or the show I'm watching and, and take that time. For me, I noticed that the same thing in the morning when I would film, like morning routines, like I'm trying to get ready, I'm rushing all over the place and then trying to film it, it wasn't working naturally. And so for me, I figured out that like when I'm commuting to work was the perfect time for me to show my life and who I am. And it kind of stuck and people enjoyed it. And I think it, like, sure, I think it's like you're commuting with somebody to work, but also it felt like I wasn't forcing anything. Like it's just like me shooting my life. Um, except for the hook at the beginning. I will shoot that multiple times and I will shoot different versions of me. Um, that's just like the social media strategist than me. But, um, you know, I think it's a balance of like your life and the strategy and that can be hard.
Elizabeth:Hmm. And it's interesting'cause like the type of content generally is like your life. it's such an interesting dynamic as I feel like when I was growing up, the YouTube skits were like that, like skits. It was like scenes and like cute and and that there's still that and that's still great and I love that. But it's, it is interesting the social norm direction we're going where like the life is online, but yet somehow it's still not exactly like too much. So I don't know, I just, any, any thoughts on the matter? We can close this up, but I'm just curious, like, do you think the direction of the online presence, how is it going to help confidence maybe Hurt confidence? Because I think it's enabled more confidence.'cause you're kind of putting your, you're the star of your show, right?
Sarah:Yeah, yeah,
Elizabeth:your profile.
Sarah:yeah.
Elizabeth:where is the vanity? Where is the social interaction? If we're all hiding behind our keyboard? Like where is that? Like how do we become more online but still maintain that human existence and human connection, so to speak?
Sarah:Yeah.
Elizabeth:Is it, what is it?
Sarah:That's why I love the podcast personally is because I think that is a way for like us to connect with the people that we see online. I think, I mean that I love having these interviews and these conversations because we get to talk with the people that we are seeing online, getting to know them for 45 minutes to an hour and, and I really enjoy that. Like I really enjoy the conversation. It's really, you know, as you said, like I think only like media, social media being online is going to get more and more, and it's gonna be interesting to see how everybody tries to find their own balance because it's not like there's any regulated balance.
Audrey:No. And that's one thing with like us growing up is without pre iPhones, like I had access to a family computer growing up, but like it was in the living room, what children accessed was a lot more regulated. And so I have a niece and nephew who are nine and 11, who I'm very close with and are very important to me. And it's scary because they can get into corners of the internet that really aren't watched or regulated. And I even think
Sarah:Mm
Audrey:something that I thought about a lot with, have you seen everyone talking on TikTok about the 12 year olds in Sephora? And it's like.
Sarah:yes.
Elizabeth:Yeah.
Audrey:That may be
Sarah:Yes.
Audrey:of shitty, but I think the world has gotten really mean to children in a sense of these children are on TikTok, seeing these videos, calling them terrors, saying that they're awful, that they're gonna be awful adults, that we all already hate them. And I think that that 12-year-old is a hard time like that
Elizabeth:Middle school was horrible.
Audrey:time. And so then imagine going online and hearing everyone say like, yeah, we all hate you and you already suck and we're dreading you becoming adults. I, I have no idea how, but children need protection. And I think we as adults on the internet and honestly even in public need to be more aware of like children on planes are annoying,
Elizabeth:Children on TikTok?
Audrey:is annoying, but like. I think we all, as a society, I think America is very individualistic focused and I think that that is really sad and very harmful to our children because adults, and I see so many people talking about this on Take TikTok, just hate children for existing and like they can't control their existence
Elizabeth:Oh, that's so sad,
Audrey:and are annoying, but so were you as a kid, like get to be. Um, and I've gotten kind of off topic here, but I
Elizabeth:No.
Audrey:we as a society need to be kinder to children and we need to come up with better ways to protect them online. And I have no idea how.
Sarah:And if I think about my middle school self, like I like think the Sephora kid thing is like kind of funny. Um, but if, I think, but when I really sat back and thought about it, I'm like, if I think about myself at their age, like I was doing like the same thing because my environment was telling me like for example, like the Juicy Couture sweatsuit was like the thing to have. So like I was wearing the Juicy Couture sweatsuit to school and they're just doing like what they're seeing is the IT thing, which is like doing these skincare videos and Sure. Maybe it doesn't make any sense. Like me having like an a hundred dollars sweatsuit at 12-year-old was old was ridiculous. Right. But like. I, I think it's just like a product of their environment, but it's just like so crazy to see because at their age what we were doing was so different. Um, and you know, like the iPad kid and all of those things, like, it's just so different than how like we grew up.
Audrey:And I do think that as these kids are getting older, there is a weird sense of blame that we are putting on them.
Elizabeth:Mm-Hmm.
Audrey:That of reminds me of like. How like our generation kind of almost ended smoking and then vapes became a thing. And it's like very mad and anger at like these young kids for starting vaping and for vaping so much. And it's like, well, I dunno if we should blame the 16-year-old who got addicted to a vape. I maybe think we should blame the adults who actively marketed to children.
Elizabeth:right.
Audrey:and I, I just think as a general sweeping society, we've lost a lot of empathy and, uh,
Sarah:Hmm.
Elizabeth:1000%.
Audrey:there was so much more kindness in the world.
Elizabeth:That's why we need the in-between and CFC, because that's what we're putting out there. Like, seriously. It's true though. I also wonder if like the, the cringe, I mean, the young children are doing what, like they see, right? And maybe the narrative of like, oh, they're not good. They're like, entitled this, and this is because they also feel a pressure to be grown. You know? Like, I can't imagine being a 12-year-old on social media nowadays where like, it's saturation, over saturation. Like one can't think about like the comparison, like comparing myself to everyone. it's just, it's crazy. But too, like, I mean, when I was 13, I had snaggle teeth, I had acne, I was awkward as hell. And I see 12 year olds nowadays. 13. I'm like, why is she hot? That's weird. Like, that's like, you know, but it's like. Being online. you said earlier, double-edged sword. Like
Sarah:Yeah.
Elizabeth:you, you learn, but you also like the dysregulation and the feeling need to be grown and the attention that comes from that. I don't know. It's, it is alarming. Um,
Sarah:is. I remember in middle school when everybody started getting Facebooks, because like that, that was the thing, I, in eighth grade made a PowerPoint to convince my parents to get, like, let me have a Facebook because all my friends had one and they let me, I was like, I want, I want one. And you know, they let me have one. But my mom also had to have a Facebook and you know, she had to watch and regulate it. And it's so funny because at the same, around the same time, Instagram came out, but my mom had no idea what Instagram was. So I just like made an Instagram. And if I think about, like back then, like we were just posting like random things, like nobody was going after aesthetic. Like I really don't feel like the whole like influencer thing started happening until like we were in late high school, early college. So, you know, I think I. We did kind of get like the best of both worlds situation out of this, where we can remember a time where social media wasn't taking over and I think we can pull ourselves out of it. Like sometimes I'll be scrolling and I'm like, girl, you've been on this thing for way too long. Like it is time to hop off and, you know, try and experience life and world because you know that that's what's gonna matter.
Audrey:I made a when I was under 13 and my parents had told me I was not allowed to make a Facebook. So I made a hidden Facebook and my mom eventually, I think, told me who ratted me out. I don't remember who it was anymore. I think it might've been my sister. She might've been the one who ratted me out, or actually, no, I think it was a friend's parent. Told my parents, I got in trouble for having my Facebook account and I wasn't allowed to make one until like two years later.
Elizabeth:But you gotta be protective because there's
Sarah:Yeah. No, but also thinking about this, I saw a t, I saw a TikTok the other day that was talking about this, but it is so true. When we were in middle school, probably when you were in like middle school and high school as well, like there was like, like with AIM and things like that, and like, and like a Facebook, you got offline, it was like B-R-B-T-T-Y-L. See you later like, and you shut down for the night. Like, you know, you weren't allowed to be on this 24 7. Like even, like if I'm thinking about my first phone, like it was a like a slide up phone. Like there was no way for me to be on Facebook all night. And so now it's a little bit harder because of the iPhone and like technology advancing for you to like, like detach from it. Like I pick up my phone without even thinking about it all the time,
Audrey:feel my phone isn't on me, like
Sarah:literally.
Audrey:I'm like, where is it?
Elizabeth:there was, I forget what it's called, but the movie that came out on Netflix at the end of 2023 had Julia Roberts, um, Ethan Hawk. It was like kind of a doomsday type movie. Um, I should know what it's called. I, I'm being really bad by not, but it's, it just came out on Netflix and it had like an ambiguous ending, which I hate. Those kind of things. My anxiety hates those, but it's essentially like there's something going on. They don't know what's going on, but like all systems start turning off. They lose cell service, and so it's just like them dealing with all this shit. But all I could think about was like, I would be so screwed if I didn't have my phone. Like, what would I do if I didn't have my phone? And then I was like, oh my God. Then I felt very, insecure, like I felt defenseless, and I'm just like, well, you know, ignorance is bliss, I guess. I'm not quite sure, but it, it's like, it's like a, a third hand, almost like the phone. Um, I was gonna ask, one question I wanna know is, so one, when we were talking about the pandemic and graduating, I just wanna say I, yeah. Can't imagine being remote my senior year for musical theater. Like, that sounds so awful. I'm so sorry. I just wanted to know, or wanted to ask can I speak to your experience being at such a pivotal point, graduating and you are stuck inside. And then also do you think the pandemic and everyone like, like,'cause the pandemic kind of made everybody online even like the older generations. Do you think that's had an effect on society or even like your generation or you two personally?
Audrey:Yeah, I think, I don't know if TikTok would've become the same sort of beast it is today, had the pandemic not happened, I think it still would've eventually like grown as a platform or whatnot, but I don't think it would've rocket launched in the way that it did, if not for the pandemic.'cause like I didn't download TikTok until the pandemic.
Elizabeth:Yeah, same.
Audrey:and as far as graduating in a pandemic, I feel like graduation is meant to be, like, feels like a rocket launch, like launch you into your future. I always make the comparison of, you know, that trombone noise that they make on TV shows or trumpet or whatever it is, where it goes, like graduating in the pandemic kind of felt like rr Yeah. It, it was like, okay. It was sad.
Elizabeth:Oh,
Sarah:Yeah, it, I mean, we were lucky enough that we got to like walk across the stage. You know? I think especially toward the end of our senior year, our senior class as a whole was like, you know what? We have been through a lot. We are gonna come together and celebrate this together.
Audrey:We also, we were in North Carolina, which a weird perk of that was not as many people wanted the vaccine there, meaning we were all able to get it pretty early. So I
Sarah:Yes.
Audrey:way before my parents, who, like my dad is now 70. He was already a senior citizen, meaning he was in one of the first waves in Massachusetts. But I got mine way before any of them because no one wanted it.
Elizabeth:No one's kidding.
Sarah:Yeah, yeah. We would all go, like, we would all go early on because nobody was really getting it. And so, you know, and we all wanted to be vaccinated because, you know, we wanted to graduate, we wanted to be able to spend those moments together. I think it's hard looking back on our senior year because it literally feels like a weird fever dream. Um, like it, it, yeah, it was insane. And you know, sometimes I think about, because the class of 2020 is like, oh my God, like we do, like we're, and I totally understand and can feel so much like empathy and sympathy for like not having a graduation whatsoever, but they lived basically a normal college experience until those last four months of grad, like four months of school. We were in that for like a year and a half. And so it really affected our education. Cannot believe they made us playful tuition for that. That is my opinion. But.
Audrey:arts degree online doesn't well.
Sarah:It doesn't work.
Elizabeth:you were performing. Maybe you guys did like webinar type things, like shows like that, like talent shows, cabarets, things like that. But.
Audrey:We
Sarah:we got inventive
Audrey:doing a show, and all of them are bad.
Sarah:Yeah, we did like one of my classes, you had to sing, like literally singing outside in a tent. Like when it got cold, you'd put on our jackets and we're singing with the mask on outside. In the middle of the university.
Audrey:So for certain classes we would lip sync with a mask on.
Sarah:Yes. To your own voice. You would prerecord your voice and then you would put the mask on and lip sync to your own voice. Like it was insanity. Just like looking back on it like
Audrey:I had a, in the first couple months of the pandemic, so the end of our junior year, I had a student concern report filed about me by a teacher. Uh. In which I, so I started the pandemic when we got sent home from school. I was at my grandmother's house in New Hampshire with two of my classmates, um, who two of us actually had student conserved reports filed by us, in which I then had to talk to someone at the school. And they were like, it was like meant to be a check-in, but this system was clearly not designed for the level of like mental health distress happening in a pandemic. So they're like, how are you doing? And I was like, oh, I'm wildly depressed and don't really leave my bed, and I'm just like barely attending my class or I was attending my classes, but like barely getting my work done. Um, and they were like, okay. And I was like. Okay, bye. I guess, uh,
Elizabeth:my God.
Audrey:that helpful. Um, and was also losing his mind, decided to start torturing his person. So the person would be like, how are you doing? I know this is a really hard time. And my friend would be like, no, no. How are you doing? This must be a really hard time for you. And I'm sure this full grown adult thought my friend was the biggest asshole in the world, but we thought it was very funny.
Elizabeth:I think that's funny.
Sarah:luckily our teachers were very understanding and I feel like they really were like, look, do what you can. Sort of a vibe. Like I remember a class my senior year, I did not like show up for like three weeks. Like, you know, like they really were gentle with us and they were kind of with do the best you can effort. Yeah. And then I think like graduating from that situation, you're kind of like, Hmm, where does my life go from here? Because especially during the time that we graduated, like things, it was only 2021. Like things weren't like fully catapulted, like back. And so, you know, we're in the performing arts industry, it's a live industry and you don't really know where you're going. And I think for me personally, like I was just like. I'm, I can't like continue this way. Like I don't want my life to be on pause anymore. Like I want to do something about this. And I think the podcast really helped with that because especially that first year post grad, like theater was still kind of like, you know, not back. And so at least it gave us something to put our creative energies towards because it was really all we had.
Elizabeth:I think that's really profound that you took that experience and that's where the podcast was like birthed from. I just wanna say, or just give you guys like kudos and validate the experience, but I can't imagine that being my college experience and then. Graduating, I can't imagine anxiety and like intrusive thoughts and just like the shit storm you were having to deal with graduating, which is supposed to be this huge pivotal moment in your life. And it's like, okay, the world is very much on fire. Sure we've been prepped this growing up, remember? But like, this is like legit, like I don't have this safety tools for this. I wonder if that's where like some of the confidence comes from. It's just like we were literally handed shit, so like in every aspect. So we are just
Audrey:we got nothing to lose, baby.
Elizabeth:exactly like, that's what I want. Like, I mean, seriously, like you ain't got nothing to lose. Why the fuck not like, I'm gonna make some videos and then boom,
Sarah:Literally,
Elizabeth:So it's like, yeah,
Sarah:I think for me, I got on TikTok in November of 2021. I, during the prior to the pandemic. And then during the pandemic I was going through my lowest of lows time. And so I was like, I was already so obsessed with Instagram at the time. I was like, I cannot get on another social media platform, or I'm gonna go crazy, like I'm never gonna get outta bed. But then once I saw people, you know, starting to gain these followings and starting to get opportunities from this following, that's when I got interested in social media because I was sort of like, okay, I've grown up a performer. I kind of know how to be like, put myself out there and be on a stage, like how can I use like social media to my advantage to be the star of my own show, as you said earlier, to get opportunities and things like that. And so. I think that was like, what was really cool about social media to me was like I saw some of our other friends from like college getting online and like getting like these opportunities like to be on shows on Broadway from like having their following. And so I was like, you know what? Like I'm gonna try and use this to my advantage and just like kind of go for it.
Elizabeth:And kind of carve your own path,
Sarah:Yeah. I've always loved that. I've always loved carving my own path. I took a gap year before I went to college, like, you know, have again, like kind of carved my own path, like with going into social media more after college. Like, I don't know, I'm kind of like never leave anything off the table. I think when people ask me about theater, because I spent so much of my life dedicated to it, they're like, oh my God, how could you just give up and like all this stuff? And I'm like. I'm not, I'm just like kind of moving about my life, trying to do what's best for me, like in this moment and like who's to say like in a couple of years, like I won't feel this calling to go back to theater. And you know what, when if that, if and when that time comes, like I will try and figure out how to make it work, but I can only can like control myself in the present.
Elizabeth:Yep.
Audrey:to college of my own path. I went to an arts high school where I majored in theater, like was very focused on that, like the whole college process, got into a college, had a very clear plan and the pandemic just fully blew that up.
Elizabeth:Yeah.
Audrey:I just
Sarah:That's another thing.
Audrey:Kind of had to like rebuild my life a little bit from scratch. And I would say like there is such a weird now split divide of like the before and after. Like the person who I was before
Sarah:Not the same.
Audrey:incredibly different from who I am. Like
Elizabeth:Absolutely.
Audrey:I don't know, for better or for worse, like or different, I would be an entirely different person had the pandemic not happened
Sarah:Agreed.
Audrey:better or worse, but incredibly different. It just blew up entire life. Point of view plan. And we just had to start all over.
Sarah:I think be
Elizabeth:Or, sorry.
Sarah:No, no, I, to go off of that, Audrey, like, I think because like you said Elizabeth, it was this like transitional period of our lives where this was happening. I do think that that gave the little like, fuck it energy. You're like, you know what? I couldn't leave my house for six months. Like, fuck this. Like I'm just gonna do something about my life because like the same thing could happen a year from now, a week from now. Like, so let me just do something and see where it goes.
Audrey:And I
Elizabeth:No, absolutely.
Audrey:by the time we started the podcast, like I think both of us or Sarah had done a show over the summer, but I needed something so badly to put my love, care and attention into of like,
Sarah:A hundred percent.
Audrey:like, I took a, a like year and a half long break from auditioning. I auditioned for like the first year I was in New York and then took a year and a half off. And it's because in the pandemic we were kind of doing all the worst parts of theater and none of the parts that are fun. And I kind of it a little bit. Um, and I just wasn't loving it anymore and I wasn't getting to do any of the parts that like made me really excited. And like this podcast radically has changed my life, even in just the sense of. It gave me something to put my love, care, and
Elizabeth:Mm
Audrey:into, which I You need to have things in your life to care about. Otherwise, what's the
Elizabeth:Yeah. Right. Creative, creative outlet, like 1000%.
Sarah:Yeah. Even today, like even today, where we're in a much more, you know. Post pandemic world, like things are pretty normal for like the most part, like I still am grateful that I have something that is not just my work. Like I was talking about it the other day with my partner, like I am so happy that my worth and my value is not a hundred percent on my job, that I do make content on my own, that we have this podcast, that there's now multiple streams of things where I can feel like achievement, success, passion, creativity, for
Elizabeth:Mm. I just wanna point out at 25, almost 26, for you to already have that mindset that my worth is defined by me and not my job. Or this or that is so fucking, just badass. Like Yes, that is so, that is key Slay. Yes. Like. I didn't learn that until just a few years ago. So I just wanna commend you. Like that's a great outlook. And, and because of that, because you don't tie your worth into that, you tie your worth into you and like what you create, like, it probably helps motivate and can, you know, pushes you. Um, Audrey, I have a quick question for you is, so you talked about how you kind of had this whole plan, kind of like the path that you were walking and then the pandemic said Hmm, and then imploded it. How has that been post pandemic? cause was similar in the sense of like, I thought I had to follow a certain path. Um, yours was still a little bit more personal to you, but I was, because I, I loved what you said at the beginning about like being fed the American dream and the generational differences, but how has the implosion of your path, how has that affected you now? How are you navigating it now?
Audrey:It's absolutely terrifying. Yeah, absolutely terrifying. Um, and I'm still trying to figure feel very behind all the time. it is, it is absolutely terrifying and I'm also super privileged on a ton of levels of like, I am so lucky and blessed and have so much support and privilege, um, but it's been terrifying and it's been fucking hard and it's, uh, I've questioned myself a lot. I've been like, is this what I want to do? and it's been very scary a lot of the time and not very enjoyable. but I've always, similar to when we recorded our episode with you, you talk about not having regrets. That's something that I've always kind of said is don't really ever think of myself having any regrets because I like where I'm at and I wouldn't change anything to jeopardize that. And you know, in this past year I've had times where, like I've said that saying, and it's not felt true because I've been in really bad places, uh, I've been really fucking low and I've not really wanted to exist anymore. Um,
Elizabeth:I've been there.
Audrey:to get to the other side and being weirdly thankful for the. Bad shit. And for my life plan getting blown up and for the things that it allowed to come into existence, like I'd been so focused on theater forever that like, honestly, probably even doing a podcast wasn't something I'd really ever considered because I was just so focused on that. Um,
Sarah:a hundred percent.
Audrey:once I reached the other side, I'm gonna be stronger. I mean, I've been absolutely blown to pieces and I'm building it back up little by little. Um, and it sucks a lot of the time, but I'm like slowly figuring out. And I did, for my 21st fifth birthday, I did a lot of mini interviews with people and one was my dad. And so my dad has raised six kids. I'm his six, we span 23 years. So the oldest is in her late forties right now. And I think hearing him talk about how like every kid a is gonna have their own path and that like, that's really hard and that like. They're not gonna figure it out right away. They're like, they need support. It's not like you turn 18 and you're out of the nest. And like, I think the gentleness and kindness that he saw for each of his children and their paths, because we've all had very different paths, a lot of us very non-linear paths. and like a lot of us still don't really know what we're doing.
Elizabeth:that's okay.
Audrey:but I think the kindness and the, the way he saw it of he was so proud of us, regardless of our accomplishments, um, really made me feel more kindness towards past me.
Elizabeth:Hmm.
Audrey:Got a little bit lost in that, but that's roundabout answer.
Elizabeth:no. That was beautiful. and thank you for sharing your, your truth and your vulnerability. you know, I just, I think that's beautiful that you recognize that, and I want you to know something like, for me, in my twenties, it was figuring that out, figuring out my path, figuring out and learning that it's okay that I don't have it figured out. Figuring out that. The unknown, which used to terrify the shit out of me. Like I have very bad anxiety. So unknown, inconsistency? No, like loose ends. Hi, I don't like that. You know what I mean? Like do not, and leaning into the unknown, the, like, the non predicted path that was like, oh, stab me in all the, like everywhere. Like I can't handle that. And I have learned that through, you know, self-growth, self-love loving myself, leaning into that unknown. The opportunity is endless. So like, you know, I, I commend you for, for doing the pod, even though that may not been like your original idea. And I commend you for like. Navigating the path of, alright, I'm learning that this is like the path that I thought I was gonna walk is not it. And I'm overwhelmed and that's scary as shit, but I'm also learning that somehow I'm walking it. I don't know where I'm going, but I haven't fallen yet. And that is the beauty of it, is that you're actually never gonna fall. Um, and the more you walk the unknown path, the more you get comfortable with it because you know, it's not like it, the end of the world doesn't, doesn't meet, it doesn't happen. You don't fall. So.
Audrey:I think like the thing that I've learned getting older is the more you do things, the less scary it becomes, and. applies also to life of like, you get more comfortable with it and you eventually, your brain and body start to learn that like, even though this feels absolutely terrifying, like it's not gonna kill you. Like,
Elizabeth:Mm-Hmm,
Audrey:like that, that anxiety can feel so real and it can feel like this is the end of the world and it's not. And I don't trust that all the time. There are still days
Elizabeth:Oh, of course not.
Audrey:very much wins. Like the mean wins. And I think like it is the end of the world and I am an absolute shit human being and that like, it's awful and I've already ruined everything. My life is over. I've already fucked up too much. Um,
Elizabeth:I feel that. I feel that.
Audrey:but like every day that you keep going, your brain and body and like heart learns that like, oh, okay, the world didn't implode'cause we fucked up that thing.
Sarah:Literally, literally.
Elizabeth:I mean, the world literally imploded your plan and look, you're figuring it out. You're finding new ways and u-turn and new turns and other way, like no path is linear. And I think that's beautiful.
Audrey:Fucking infuriating,
Elizabeth:loved that. Oh, for sure, for sure. Fucking infuriating. but thank you. That was really beautifully said. Um, and it's just, it's really cool. Like, I know I'm not that much older than you, you ladies, but it is like cool to hear your stories.'cause I'm like, I remember like just, I, I, I think the twenties is truly like. I don't even wanna just say finding your path.'cause I think, like, I think you mentioned this, um, Sarah on when we were recording for CFC, but like you can find it in your thirties, you can find your path in your forties, your fifties, but your twenties is about just trusting that whatever path you find or path you land on or path you crisscross with, as long as you trust you, like it's all gonna work out. Even if you can't see that,
Sarah:Yeah, I feel like I like a similar, I don't know who mentioned this, but my, oh, maybe similar to your sister Audrey. My mom, when she was in her forties, I was in high school. My mom never finished her undergraduate degree and so she went back to school at NYU and got a degree in psychology and then she went on to Columbia and got her master's in social work. And so I just feel like watching that at her like in her forties and now she's a very successful therapist and it is so amazing. Like just watching her like go on that journey kind of like also taught me like really you can make dreams happen at any age, whatever it may be. And so, you know, I think it's hard. There are definitely days like Audrey said, where my brain does not wanna, you know, remember the, the rational like thing where it's like, hey, like. You are still just 25, you're trying to figure yourself out. Like some days I just wanna have it all figured out. I want the podcast to be like number one on Spotify. Like all these things. But like, I also like, remember, I try and remember too that like, you know, I, like I said earlier, you're putting in the fight. You're do, you're showing up, you're giving your best effort and I really do feel like at the end of the day that will be like rewarded in whatever way that comes.
Elizabeth:Completely agree.
Sarah:Yeah.
Elizabeth:Oh, this has been such like, I love, this has been a great conversation. I feel so empowered. I'm like, I'm gonna leave this and go over record content.
Sarah:Yay. I love it.
Elizabeth:Oh gosh. I'm like, you know, who cares? Who cares? Everyone's staring at me. Geez.
Sarah:Literally.
Audrey:We're flying violently through space. Might as well have some fun.
Elizabeth:Right. I think about that actually pretty often where when I get like really like in my head about some shit, I'm like, wait a second, we are a speck on a blue rock that is actually also a bigger speck, but still a speck and like just floating out here in nothingness. Like yeah, it's, it's that that will, that will humble you just a little bit or it'll spiral you even more. Take your pick.
Audrey:think about it for too long. Then it gets scary.
Sarah:No.
Elizabeth:Because then you're like looking at like, like conspiracy theories and you're like, is this a simulation? Did I take the wrong pill? Like what is happening? Yeah. I feel that. Yeah. Although I do love to introspect sometimes, but it is, I have to be careful I'm in a good head space when I do it. Um,'cause yeah, it'd be like that. Um, okay, well last question, just, uh, and I apologize I didn't send this to you beforehand, but I'm just curious, what inbetweens are you currently navigating? It can be big, small, it could be stupid, it could be empowering, whatever.
Audrey:I am, I'm in the midst of restarting my like first proper audition season and I'm like, isn't fully built out, so we're just kind of pasting shit together a little bit, pulling out shit that's like from high school and we're like, let's up. This works.
Elizabeth:That's exciting. When does audition season start?
Audrey:It is like January through March is one of the main audition seasons.
Elizabeth:All right, well break a leg.
Audrey:Thank
Sarah:Slaying
Elizabeth:for Audrey.
Sarah:slaying sliping. So my in between is I feel like I am in this like learning to become a financially independent adult. I've been very privileged my whole life with, you know, parental help and now I have my big girl job, I moved out and so I'm learning, you know, how to budget and all these things and you know, very new in this, in-between. And so I'm very like, ah, that stage of the in-between. So, um, I feel like it's gonna be a big in-between, for me, this like entire year of like, my life is, you know, learning to budget, how to spend my money, paying rent, all those things.
Elizabeth:I say when you figure it out, let me know. Actually, this is a great time to plug. I have a guest coming on, she's like a financial advisor for like very rich people and tell them how to spend their money. She's, uh, we're recording in February, so we'll have
Sarah:ooh.
Elizabeth:conversation and her thing is about like your relationship with money and the shame attached to it. So like us joking about how we can't budget, but like deep down we're like, fuck, are we stupid? You know, like she helps like disband, like societal norms, even gender norms and like how we approach money. So little
Sarah:Ooh, I will listen to that because I think that's the hardest thing about, like money for me is like your relationship with it and, and how you feel about it. And it, for me, with a girl with anxiety makes me anxious. I'm like, ah. So, um, it's definitely a, a crazy in-between like, you know, learning money
Audrey:you're taught or I feel like it's something that like
Elizabeth:You're not,
Audrey:teach, but like if your parents don't teach you anything about it, good luck. Figure it out, bitch.
Sarah:literally.
Elizabeth:like, save money. I'm like, great.
Sarah:Like, okay, cool.
Elizabeth:How do I do that? What's a budget? How much do I save? Like I don't, I don't, yeah. Yeah, I, yeah, I get that. So, alright, well you ladies are fabulous. So where can all my listeners find you?'cause they definitely wanna follow you after this.
Sarah:Oh, thank you. Um, my personal pages are all at Sarah Alice Liddy, and then Audrey. You wanna give your personal,
Audrey:My personal Instagram is a J Flowers and my TikTok is something else. I don't know. Look up Audrey Flowers. It'll probably come up.
Sarah:she has two different usernames, and then you can follow us on Instagram at completely fucking clueless.
Audrey:TikTok and YouTube, I completely F-C-K-I-N-G, clueless.
Sarah:Woo hoo.
Elizabeth:Love it and I'll make sure I link you on the show notes so there's that. But all right, everyone, thank you so much for joining us on this Week's In Between. And you can follow me on Instagram at Elizabeth Cheney underscore and the podcast at In Do Between Pod. Follow Me on YouTube and TikTok at the in-Between Podcast. So we'll see you next week on an all new in-Between Bye.