In the final episode of the Women's Wellness Series, I have a very special guest joining me this week. Please welcome, Kiera Palmer!
Kiera is a entrepreneurial powerhouse having opened and managed several businesses (& does so to this day), on top of her latest venture, The Social Studio, which is a content creator studio for all types of creators and podcasters.
In this week's episode, Kiera is sharing part wisdom gained from her entrepreneurial experiences from the highs, lows, and everything in-between. Other topics include:
If you are interested in checking out Kiera's new content studio space, click here IG @socialstudioatl.
To keep up with Kiera and all her endeavors, follow her on IG @KieraPalmer.
Connect with me:
https://in-between.co
@in.betweenpod on Instagram
@elizabethcheney_ on Instagram
@theinbetweenpodcast on TikTok
The In-Between Podcast on YouTube
In the final episode of the Women's Wellness Series, I have a very special guest joining me this week. Please welcome, Kiera Palmer!
Kiera is a entrepreneurial powerhouse having opened and managed several businesses (& does so to this day), on top of her latest venture, The Social Studio, which is a content creator studio for all types of creators and podcasters.
In this week's episode, Kiera is sharing part wisdom gained from her entrepreneurial experiences from the highs, lows, and everything in-between. Other topics include:
If you are interested in checking out Kiera's new content studio space, click here IG @socialstudioatl.
To keep up with Kiera and all her endeavors, follow her on IG @KieraPalmer.
Connect with me:
https://in-between.co
@in.betweenpod on Instagram
@elizabethcheney_ on Instagram
@theinbetweenpodcast on TikTok
The In-Between Podcast on YouTube
Welcome back to another episode of the in between podcast. I'm your host, Elizabeth Cheney, and I am so excited. Not only do we have the last episode of the women's wellness series this week, but I also have my great friend, mentor, business guru, all of the things like I'm spoiled, rotten, special guests, Kira Palmer with me today. But additionally, I am filming in her studio. studio, which she's going to get into and talk about. It's called the social studio. It's a content creator space. So if I sound a little hyper and maybe I need to slow my role, it's because, well, I am extremely hyper and I probably do need to slow my role, anywho,
Kiera Palmer:slow my
Elizabeth Cheney:I digress, Kira, welcome to the in between.
Kiera Palmer:you so much. How exciting.
Elizabeth Cheney:know this is so legit. Like for those watching, you're probably like, wow, Elizabeth, did you up your marketing? Like, no, I just have friends in high places.
Kiera Palmer:you're so silly. This is really exciting because this is the first podcast that I've recorded in the studio. Oh,
Elizabeth Cheney:really? Oh, I love that. Ooh, we're just breaking some barriers. I almost said breaking cherries. I was like, Oh, maybe not
Kiera Palmer:do it in front of you? Ha ha ha
Elizabeth Cheney:those, those business
Kiera Palmer:is you. Yes. Yes, exactly. Ha ha ha ha. The more I
Elizabeth Cheney:the more I say them like, Oh, it doesn't work. I'm just gonna stop. It's gonna start. Yep. Totally. So Kira, um, just to let the audience know a little bit, I want to explain how I met you because it's kind of, I think it's a cool story.
Kiera Palmer:It is, totally
Elizabeth Cheney:So Kira. That is a woman of many, many careers, paths, opportunities, and she's going to get into that because today's episode is going to all be about entrepreneurship and pivoting and following the, the path less traveled, so to speak. But a few years ago, 2019 to be exact, Kira was, uh, she had a organization called the women project. And at the time. The in between was not a real thing, but it was an idea this I've talked about this many times in the podcast, like how I came to the idea of the podcast, where it grew from. So when I went to the women project, I went with my friend, Lisa, our friend, Lisa was like, Hey, I saw this on Facebook. I think it might be cool. It was a women's networking, like a women's professional networking event. So I'm thinking, okay, cool. I love meeting people. Let's go. So we show up. It's the Women Project, so it's all women. And I'm like, alright, I'm into this, because at the time, I was like, I want to do something to empower women, inspire women, so I was very attracted, and you know, like, like a little moth to a flame to this type of thing. So, we show up, and there's all these cool women, different walks of life, different ages, no one looked the same. I mean, there was one chick, and I always tell you this, like, she was an equestrian painter. Like, went to SCAD to study equestrian painting. Like, it was so niche, but like, this chick is getting thousands and thousands of dollars painting people's horses. But anyways, I kept thinking, Oh my God, this is the kind of event I want to This is what I want to do. Oh my, who is this woman? How did she do this? And I remember seeing you and I'm like, I want to be friends with her because I was so inspired that you created this group, this event, that was something that I had been like playing with this idea of empowering women here. You were actually doing it. You took the, not that it was my exact idea, but you know what I mean? And then that was it. We went our separate ways. I think I started following you on Instagram cause it was cool, whatever. And I was like, all right, one project. That's an, that's an aspiration. I love that. Then COVID hit. And live hit and depression hit and then eventually I finally launched the podcast and then fast forward to last year, Lisa, the friend is like, Hey, do you remember that Kara Palmer? Um, the woman project. And I was like, Oh yeah. Cause in the back of my head I'm thinking I low key like fan her. I would love to meet her cause like I want to be her maybe, I don't know. And uh, she's like, I've been talking to her about doing some social media stuff. We should all get dinner sometime. And here we are. And that was what, like August or July.
Kiera Palmer:even remember. It was last summer sometime, because I remember it was hot.
Elizabeth Cheney:Yes. I remember it was hot.
Kiera Palmer:And then I remember we, uh, the three of us had hours long dinner, because we were having so much fun. It was, we were so great.
Elizabeth Cheney:And here and like literally
Kiera Palmer:And then we snowballed into this, like, amazing friendship and, um, we, which is really cool. And I think it's a great segue into our conversation because we, good friends now, but when we get together, we goals and our aspirations you know, business and entrepreneurship and pivoting and, and all of those things. And I think that's great. Kind of something that makes our relationship special because we have this really great friendship, but we have the Business talks and things like that too. And you know, you asked me questions. I'm Building a studio for podcasting. So I'm like Liz what microphones do I need? I don't I don't know, you know, sir She says this one so I push order
Elizabeth Cheney:And then I am the one who couldn't figure out the sound at the beginning of the episode because I forgot to press a button. I was like, Oh, this button shouldn't be on. I can hear it now. We're great. But so true. I mean, I was thinking about like, what's something that I feel like you and I have, uh, Every time we start texting it somehow turns into but I can feel the momentum you can feel the momentum like we are each other's cheerleaders and it's so it's so cheesy in the most amazing way because like this is You're you're further along in your entrepreneurial path than me. So not to say that you don't have imposter syndrome I know we all do we're gonna get into that but it's To be on the path less traveled so to speak. It's so nice Comforting and validating to have such a strong Friendship with somebody who's done it and also like a business partner not partner, but like a business mentor in a way, you know
Kiera Palmer:mean, because I think at like entrepreneurship, You know to make a joke about the definition of entrepreneurship. It's basically like a crazy person Like a crazy person who has a delusion that you can do anything in the world, right? And then you get on this track and then if you can find people who are along that really outrageous crazy journey With you it makes you feel a little bit I'm trying to think of the right word, because I don't want to say safe, because it's a scary, entrepreneurship is scary. You have to have a really thick skin and, and be able to roll with the punches, right? But if you can find people who are doing that along the way or ahead of you, it helps because you're seeing, okay, they've laid the path. That means I'm going to come do the same thing and then lay this path for somebody else too. So you know. Like I said, if you're going to jump into the entrepreneurship world, you've got to be a little bit crazy. Because it's something completely, you said the road less traveled, and that's accurate. Because not everybody does it. It's hard, but it's also really invigorating and thrilling and all of those things in, you know, in one. Yeah, for sure.
Elizabeth Cheney:it back a few steps. Yes. You weren't always an
Kiera Palmer:weren't always an entrepreneur. No. I laugh.
Elizabeth Cheney:the executive, high paying, like, corporate, nine to five, I don't want to say dream because that's not, but the stereotypical, like, why would you want to leave what you
Kiera Palmer:have? Exactly. Well, I mean, if you think about it, what do you do, like, as you're growing up, right? Your parents, you know, go to school, you make good grades, figure out what you're going to do, what's your major in college? You know, that whole track that you're setting yourself up for, which is interesting because I pivoted right as I was graduating college. So I went to the University of Georgia. I majored in political science. I, yeah, I thought that I was going to go to law school and either become this really high powered attorney, which suits, by the way, it's one of my favorite shows, because I thought that's what I was going to do in my life. I also thought that I may go into politics, which is crazy, because now I'm just like, you know, that's a whole nother thing. I'm like, no, thank God, thank God I didn't do that.
Elizabeth Cheney:well yeah, you're too good of a
Kiera Palmer:Yeah, thank
Elizabeth Cheney:I don't mean that you don't have the fight,
Kiera Palmer:Right, right, no. But I mean, I, and I'm not about picking one side or the other
Elizabeth Cheney:other. Ugh, right, yeah.
Kiera Palmer:But, you know, that was what I thought I was going to do the entire second half of my senior year from Georgia. Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, I drove from Athens to downtown Atlanta. Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, all day. Interned at the Capitol and then took classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And you know Athens is an hour away from Atlanta, so it was, you know, I was just trying to set myself up, what I thought I was supposed to be doing. And then, was graduating, I don't, I didn't know if I was actually following a path that I really wanted to follow, or it was because, I knew that I would be successful if I went in this direction, because they make good money, they do that, and, and side note, you know, I mean, you know this, but I grew up dancing and singing, and I was, like, really, really, I was a really good singer, and I had a dream of doing that, and my dad, you know, was very supportive of that, but I was, like, terrified of being poor and unsuccessful,
Elizabeth Cheney:cool
Kiera Palmer:so I kind of gave that dream up, even though I had some, you know, successes in that way, right? We got to do some really cool things there. But I was, I just wanted to be successful and powerful and like all those things that you dream of, you know, when you're growing up. And so I thought that's what it, so then I got into high risk commercial property insurance. Woo! Right? Mouthful. And the only reason that I got into that was because one of my sorority sisters, who I was very close with, her father was in the industry. Those people make a lot of money and are very successful. And it's kind of fun in terms of the social aspects. You get to entertain, So, I was kind of confused about what I wanted to do, so I went and interviewed, got the job, started the week after I graduated, um, and then built myself a career in that space. You know, where you, you, the promotion, the promotions, the promotions, the more successful, then I've got this office in the corner next to the big boss, and looking out over the skyline of Atlanta, wearing Christian Louboutins every day. You know, I mean, I was very I became what I thought was supposed to be my path. So that, I mean, obviously that was not my path. But I thought that it was. I thought that's what I was supposed to do because, you know, I want to make, you know, my dad and family and proud. I want to be highly successful. And I thought that you know following society's rules, if I got this high powered job, and I get to buy all these expensive things, then working 90 hours a week for a boss that's really demanding and a job that you hate, that's just kind of what comes with
Elizabeth Cheney:enjoy working?
Kiera Palmer:like, I thought that was what, oh, wait, you mean you can actually enjoy what you do? Like, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, wait, you actually can take a vacation?
Elizabeth Cheney:What, vacation? I can't even say that. Vacation. Vacation.
Kiera Palmer:because there was like no such thing. I mean, obviously I could take a week off to go to the beach or something like that. But it was, hold on, let me answer these four emails. Four hours later, I'm still working on the laptop or I'm checking my phone every five minutes because your boss is yelling at you about something because you didn't return the client. He called you five minutes ago while you're on vacation. You didn't return that phone call within 30 seconds. I mean, there were, there was no vacation.
Elizabeth Cheney:Mm mm.
Kiera Palmer:in terms of where you can truly just. Shut down and take some time for yourself. There was none of that. So, you know, I became successful in the way that the definition of being
Elizabeth Cheney:Right. That's society has given us. Absolutely.
Kiera Palmer:miserable, but it took me a while to figure out that maybe that wasn't normal or like you didn't have to live life that way.
Elizabeth Cheney:So let me ask you this. So, this was your first job out of college that you just grew the ranks in. So, it makes sense to me why you wouldn't necessarily be able to discern, oh wait, this is not normal, like this is not okay, like this is not healthy, this is not a healthy work life balance. Because it's all you know, right? So when did you start to think, Or let me get a better question. When did you start to think this is not the path for me? And also, did you immediately go into, I could do this by myself for myself. Like I could go do marketing services and things like that by myself. Or were you just like, I got to get out. What are my options?
Kiera Palmer:just like, I gotta get out, what are my options? Well, it was a, uh, slow roll, long burn situation. And I mean, it was because, I'll back up a little bit, year, a few years into, and I know we're gonna talk about this, but I lost my mother to breast cancer when I was in high school. And from that moment in high school, all the way through my adult life, I've been involved with charities and doing things for breast cancer. And so, even in high school did the walks, in college, our sorority, we did all the things, you know, I mean, it just, and, you know, the three day, the Susan G. Komen three day walk, I mean, all those things I used to do. So, I started doing events on my own in Atlanta, and what I was, I started to do was put together something like a gala. And then I would, you know, obviously do everything myself. So that would be event planning, the marketing of it, the getting the donations, like all that stuff. And it started off kind of small and then I think my first event raised like 10, 000 and I was so, or 13, 000
Elizabeth Cheney:That's impressive.
Kiera Palmer:remember exactly. But it, you know, it raised a little bit of money and it, it lit me up.
Elizabeth Cheney:Ooh.
Kiera Palmer:so proud of that, right? But I, I mean, every day I wanted to get up and do more work with that, right? I wanted to do, yeah, I mean it really was. And then, this is a long story so I'm going to like make it as short as possible. But I, um. Back in 2011 or 12. I can't remember what what year that was. I know there's some things came out about Susan G which they're still a great organization, but With technology being the way that is you can you can now look up to see where your donation dollars are going So, you know when you look at a charity that you want to support they have like ratings, you know, so unfortunately, it wasn't But all the money wasn't going to research and so I thought to myself, okay, well what else could I do? So then I started researching and the Breast Cancer Research Foundation, there was this press release that they just partnered with these three girls in New York City. That called themselves Save Second Base, which we did here in Atlanta, but then they renamed themselves to the Pink Agenda. So I just reached out to them and I was like, I'm flying to New York. I want to come have a meeting with you because I'm down here in Atlanta raising 50, at a gala, and I want to put this money towards something better. So, let's do it. Long story short, flew up to New York, had a meeting with them, boom, boom, boom, back to Atlanta, we're now the Pink Agenda. And so I was doing that for a few years and everything in relation to that had to be, you know, the event plan, the da, da. So I was like self teaching my things, especially like how to build like a dummy website, you know, like a landing page and like things like that. Self taught, right? I just was teaching myself how to do that because I was passionate. I had calls that I believed in. I wanted to do something, so that was going on while I was doing corporate, so I, I really just, man, woo, but you know what, you know the term that they've like quoted in the last year or two, the quiet I mean, I was doing that back in like 2014, so, I just wasn't happy, I was like doing all the, the breast cancer stuff, right,
Elizabeth Cheney:the fifth on that one. I'm not speaking. Don't get me in
Kiera Palmer:so when I say I hated my job, I hated the job. I hated the job, but I enjoyed being around people, I enjoyed being in meetings, I enjoyed building relationships, I just hated the job. I mean, intern doesn't light me up. I don't care, I don't care that it's hurricane season because I don't live near an ocean. I mean, it just, I, I was, you're right. So I think because I had that, and when we talk about pivoting and being knocked down and all that stuff, that's a whole story too, but I will say that. But because I knew that I could do that, and then because of some of the things that started coming along past that with the introduction of Instagram, and the introduction, I mean Facebook, I joined Facebook in college, that's really dating me, oh my god, I mean when you used to have an at edu address to join Facebook, yeah, I did that, yeah, I
Elizabeth Cheney:high school and we were like faking where we
Kiera Palmer:Yes.
Elizabeth Cheney:We're like, oh, we, we go to Whitewater College. Like what? Like.
Kiera Palmer:So I had my little UGA. edu Facebook account. I mean, when, you know, social media first came out, but then Instagram came on into the scene. I remember I was in Paris when I, with my friend Amanda, when we posted the first picture to Instagram. You know, so that happened. And so I started the Pink Agenda account that grew. And then, And when you talk about things in terms of oh, I can't do that, which I don't believe in at all I was seeing all these people and then I'm taking this back to like 2014 15 when Instagram was so easy You just posted this really pretty picture and you could grow. It was so
Elizabeth Cheney:It's like back when Valencia was
Kiera Palmer:Yes
Elizabeth Cheney:Yeah, we remember those times.
Kiera Palmer:Man those are the
Elizabeth Cheney:Good old Valencia.
Kiera Palmer:I I I love to travel, as you know, um, I travel quite a bit and didn't get to do as much as I wanted to back in the corporate days because of
Elizabeth Cheney:90 hours a week. Yeah.
Kiera Palmer:and I really wanted to do that more, and so I saw all these influencers becoming influencers when it was the new thing, you know, traveling, so I thought to man, I really wish I could travel and create content for this new platform, but I would never be able to do I'm never gonna be able to do that because I can't even like take a full week of vacation. So that's not an option for me, which was a lie. It's a lie that we tell ourselves.
Elizabeth Cheney:Bum, bum, bum. Bum,
Kiera Palmer:It was a lie. And then, a flash forward to 2016, I guess, which is right before Equipment Job, I started posting some of the pictures that I'd had from these vacations, and it started growing. It was fun. And, you know, because it was easy. And so, I was like, well, maybe I'm not going to be a travel influencer, So that was kind of the whole, like, long way of explaining that I started laying the foundation earlier than I knew I was laying the foundation, right? Like I didn't realize that that's what I was doing because it was it didn't have a huge light bulb moment until years later I left my company and went and worked for a client. as kind of like the number two right hand person because his person had left and I had been working with him for a long time. Now, he is crazy. He had a very bad reputation for being but I just wanted to get out of what I, you know, like I needed to change, went to that, it was a horrible idea and then that's the job that I quit. So it, I have some really insane stories that go along to. Why that is and quickly being able to tell you the reason I quit, the reason I said I had enough was because when I say that, there was no vacations, you worked insane hours, that was accurate, that's accurate. You just didn't have life that didn't revolve around everybody you knew at the company. So like, I had all these really great friends, most of them were like work friends, you know. So. my girlfriends and I used, like, used to do a girl's trip to New York for a long weekend every year, but everybody got a, you know, grew up, had babies, like, it was just very hard to get all five of us together at the time, and, and so the Lion King musical was coming to Atlanta. We bought tickets months in advance, right? And so we were gonna plan this, like, big day, um, to go to this, um, shows, Broadway show in Atlanta, I told my boss, you know, weeks, I mean, so far in advance that I needed to leave early that day at four. I mean, God
Elizabeth Cheney:God forbid. Um,
Kiera Palmer:so, I put it on the calendar, it was the whole thing, and at about 3. 30 on that day, after me telling him multiple times that I needed to go and, you know, leave early, da he like, throws something on my desk and is like, you can't leave until this is finished. So, long story short, I didn't leave until about 6. 30 p. m. And missed the early dinner and drinks and all that stuff that they had. And as I'm driving down the downtown connector to Echo, the restaurant that we were meeting at, he called me and was like, there's something wrong with the cell X and the spreadsheet. Can you fix it? I'm like, I am on the interstate right now. No, I cannot fix it. Pull over to the shoulder. I'm like, I'm not going to pull over to the shoulder. I'm sitting in traffic. And you guys, if you're, if you're in Atlanta, you understand like the downtown connector through downtown Atlanta, is a nightmare. And so, this is how dumb that you can be when you're in a situation that you don't need. I pull out my laptop, I connect to my hotspot on my phone, I'm sitting in traffic, and I'm trying to manipulate a spreadsheet as I'm driving. I mean, it just was so bad. So I get to the restaurant and my friends are like, Kira, this is unbelievable. This is ridiculous. You can't live this way. I remember my friend Amanda being, So supportive and saying, Hey, you know what? Working at Starbucks is better than this, you know? And she was right. It was just like, it was falling apart mentally. And, and so, you know, we talked, she's like, you should just quit. We went to the show. I left the show. some really drunk, nasty messages from said person, boss. Um, like really, really inappropriate stuff. So at home, waited for Trey to get home. He came home. I was like, can't do this anymore. I stayed up all night. I Put on my little Yankees hat walked into the office next morning. I was like, I'm out I said I'm giving you three weeks cuz I know how we were right in the middle of busy season And I know that was not good, but I was leaving for Hawaii in three weeks We had planned a trip and so I thought this I said you got three weeks and then I'm out then I came home and I had no idea I had no plan. So, you know when we talk about entrepreneurship, I don't recommend doing that because that's just
Elizabeth Cheney:that just gave me anxiety hearing you say that. I'm like, Oh, we were
Kiera Palmer:will, uh,
Elizabeth Cheney:like rip the rug, rip the rug.
Kiera Palmer:blow through some serious savings if you do that. Because you're not going to have an income coming in. So I don't doing that. But that's how that, that's how it happened. That's how I was kind of pushed into entrepreneurship. But,
Elizabeth Cheney:So it sounds like you just kind of had your, for lack of better words, wits end of corporate America. You're like, I'm done with this. I'm done with not having a life. Like I, I have no identity other than work outside myself.
Kiera Palmer:Correct. Yeah, and I think that, I'm one of those people to maybe to a fault Really knows how short life is and it's not worth it Yes, I was making a really good money and I could buy basically whatever I wanted, you know But what's the point in having that money if you're not happy and you Like I had a really great closet had great clothes and you know, 50 plus pairs of designer shoes, but who cares? I mean, yes, they bought me, they made me happy in the moment. And yes, I'm happy wearing them into an office every day, but that was my life. And I would, that, that was it. You know, I didn't see my family all the time. I didn't see our friends enough. but what's the point? So I probably to a fault, make decisions based on life is a way too short for this shit kind of thing,
Elizabeth Cheney:I was going to say, and that comes from your mother, maybe this is too soon in the conversation to ask, but I was just going to say, how did her, Untimely death at such a pivotal age you were a senior, right?
Kiera Palmer:I was, it was in between my freshman and sophomore
Elizabeth Cheney:But oh, oh bless your heart how has that shaped you because you said like you live like life is short. So i'm gonna has how has that? shaped you in your career path and not even just career but your life and then also like I'm curious did it start as like an anxiety and now it's a an affirmation. I'm just i'm
Kiera Palmer:Oh, it's all the things and it's an ebb and flow throughout your entire life, right? So, because when you have something like that, like super traumatic happen in your life, you can go two different ways, right? You could, you could become a disaster of a human being, meaning, and not because you wanted to be that, but like the depression, the anxieties, all those things could steer you down a road that you don't want to be in, right? Or you can use that to fuel you in a, in a very good way. And I think that I've done both. I mean, there's been times, I mean, obviously. Especially right after the fact, I was a kid, you know, a young teenager and all that, but, even just starting little fundraiser things, trying to make something happen from tragedy, even with something like that, I wanted to do, but what, what it's become now is that I'm an adult and I can make decisions, I mean, we all can, right? We make decisions that we want to, but I'm trying to really maybe this is something I've done in the last. Six years, you know, since I've been on the entrepreneurial journey and stuff like that really thinking about what matters in life and, something even this year that I've been thinking a lot about, you know, now that I'm a serial entrepreneur, I've started multiple businesses. I have several businesses. I've done different things and all that. But, how is that guiding me? And how is that pushing me? And then, the thing I was really trying to focus on this year was, in kind of what we were talking about at the beginning of this conversation, about paving the way for others. leading in a way that thinks about others and not just yourself. And my mom was the most amazing human being. She was just so selfless all the time. Like, just really gave herself to, I remember I got into cheerleading and really, really enjoyed that part of my life and she became a cheerleading coach because, you know, she was at every single one of my practices and all that stuff. So as I was on the little varsity cheerleading team, my mom was coaching JV, you know, so we were having this little thing together. She's just such a giving person you know, I try to be that and I, and you know, we're, we're human. We're not perfect. And we make mistakes. Um, and I know that we make bad decisions sometimes and, you know, with the information that we have, but I think that when, like I said, when you go something that horrific, you really have to focus on it a little bit and like sit in the grief of it and understand what that grief can do to you and, and try to do something positive with that grief. So, with that said, now that I, have done this journey of entrepreneurship, I'm starting a business, da da da, I do that mostly and it's not, and I think sometimes people go wrong when they think, oh I just want like to get out and make more money. You know, money doesn't mean shit if you're not happy and if you're not fulfilled and all that. So my main goal through what I've been doing all these years is how can I live a better, healthier, happier life? And what career would set me up for that, right? What, how, gives me the freedom to spend more time with my family, gives me the freedom to go visit really epic destinations, give me the freedom to still be financially stable, but also have all these wonderful things that are going on in life, because for the first half of my career, I didn't have these things, and that's important. And, even aside from just work, You know, when you think about what you're doing and all the stuff we're doing and how you can help others, I think to myself, what do I wish that I had during that time, during entrepreneurship time, all that, what did, what resources, what help, what guidance, what friends, what circle, all of those things did, would do, did I wish I had when I was going through a hard time in my life or going through my early stages of entrepreneurship? And if you can figure out a way to lead from that, like how can I help others? Oh my gosh, like the stuff that comes back to you. Is more than you can create just by trying to do something to make money, you know, so, I think when I say loss of my mother has shaped me in every single way, I truly mean that, and I mean that not just business and life and friendships and all that, and I know it's been a long time now, but I think that's what keeps me focused and grounded and open to things and, and open to learning and, Pivoting if I need to and all this stuff because I understand how important life is, you know? And even just my relationship with my father is so great,
Elizabeth Cheney:It is very beautiful.
Kiera Palmer:thank you. He's the best
Elizabeth Cheney:he's a sweetheart.
Kiera Palmer:best. I mean we are opening the studio. My dad was in here like every day helping me build
Elizabeth Cheney:He's going to have his own business
Kiera Palmer:right If you're watching on video right now, we're sitting in front of this Fireplace TV wall thing that I literally just showed my dad a picture and was like can you make this happen and he did. So, but it took me as an adult to also like realize that, okay, I lost one parent, you know, how can I make the one parent that I have left this relationship even more special and that's spending more time and doing the things and I was not doing that early in my career. And I have time for him and I have time for my family. So, yeah, all that to say, I think that, All of those things that, you know, happened during that time period of my life, the, loss of my mother, who, by the way, was very, obviously, very close with, so that was very hard, but just, like, letting that live within me always, like, and not trying to push that out, and not trying to push down an emotion, or something like, it's just with me, it's, it's flowing through me always, because she's flowing through me always, right, and I, and I think sometimes that she's, uh, when I think about her, it's beautiful. Who I want to spend my time with or what project I want to work on next or something like that. I'm not like all the time focusing that that's the reason why, but that is part of the reason why, you know. It's just like subconsciously there all the
Elizabeth Cheney:Oh my gosh, that was so powerful. I was like, it's my
Kiera Palmer:was like,
Elizabeth Cheney:Mm.
Kiera Palmer:Yeah, yeah. So
Elizabeth Cheney:that's very, that's very beautiful. yeah, I almost like it's about turned to a therapy session. Um, and I I, do feel like, especially with the studio, you're creating, and maybe I have a bias because I do feel like we're friends, but I also do feel like you're a business mentor to me as well. Um, and I think about what I know of you and our relationship. And I think about the studio and you were just talking about leading others, like your purpose, like purpose meets passion, like leading others. following the path that fulfills you and helping others find that path themselves. With this studio, I see so much of that. You're creating a space to help others, like, follow their path, follow their craft. And it's kind of a full circle moment. And I'm just now kind of putting that together right in this moment.
Kiera Palmer:right in this moment. Yeah, it it feels like all of the things, all the cherry of the work, the this, the women project, all that stuff, which, You know, it's a whole nother story, but I mean, all of those things kind of came together into this. And, you know, get excited about all the things that we can have happen in here, and all the creators and the business owners and things like that, that they'll be able to come in and use the space to, you know, make their own magic. You know, I mean, those
Elizabeth Cheney:that's like something that you're very passionate about and you're good at. Like, you have your businesses, your marketing agencies, and I say agencies plural because this chick over here is like doing all the things all the time. but like this seems maybe I'm being, hopefully this isn't too bold to say, but this feels like this is a big driver, a big passion. This is exactly what's
Kiera Palmer:This is what feels the most aligned. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. And I think that, when you, I think that people, when you start, entrepreneurship for example, okay, let's just, we'll talk about that because that's who I am, I'm an entrepreneur, so when we talk about these things, like, that's what I mean. So, I think that we're, as a, As a human species, we see everyone else doing things and we think that we can create these things overnight because the internet, the social media, all that is telling you that you can create these things overnight. Yes. It's, it is a lie. It's a lie. It's a
Elizabeth Cheney:lie, everybody.
Kiera Palmer:I mean,
Elizabeth Cheney:It is a lie.
Kiera Palmer:you, if you were just meeting me right now. Say somebody came in here and they're like, I'm the owner of the social studio, right? That's so cool! Tell me about it. Well, I had this idea in December, and then I just did it. You know, I mean, but, so it might seem like, okay, you did this overnight, how crazy. Well, no, no, no, this is something I've been working on for years, I just didn't know it. You know, so, and it's been building up to that, right? And so, I think that we get in this really shitty place, and I will say that because I do it, we all do this comparison, which, Okay, so you know the saying, comparison is the thief of joy, that has some really good meaning to it because you don't want to over compare yourself's number, you know, they're step 25 to your step 2, right? You don't want to do that, but I also think comparisons can sometimes be a good thing. because if I see some, see somebody doing something. that really inspires me. I don't feel envious, like, Oh, I wish I was her. I'm like, how can I
Elizabeth Cheney:do that?
Kiera Palmer:Yeah, and so it inspires me. So I know there's two different ways to think of that. And I, and I'll say, going back to social media, showing everybody that, it's overnight It's not overnight success. It's years and years and of working. And so, when I decided, seemed like overnight to open up the studio, that was actually years and years and years of getting to this from running the women's organization, organization, excuse me. The marketing agency, the social media agency, all those things led up to this because I know how big, you know, content creation is and finding a space. I know that if you want to record a podcast in person in Atlanta, most of the places are very bro ish, right? They're all neon lights and desks with tables and dark spaces and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah,
Elizabeth Cheney:said
Kiera Palmer:And I just wanted something like a little bit more feminine that could be used by men and women, but a little bit more airy and fun and, and so all these things kind of came together and now that the, you know, we're about to open to the public, I feel like I'm more aligned than I've been in years. This feels so good. Like, what I was supposed to be doing all this, this whole time, but it also took years of me going through businesses and learning the ropes, because opening a brick and mortar business is a whole lot different than opening an agency from your house, because you don't have overhead. You don't have to rip out a bathroom to make it ADA compliant. You don't have to, like all these things that I've learned along the way, but you got to be prepared for that stuff, right? And so, when you set out to do these things, and I don't know where I'm trying to go with this, but. you know, you said this, you've been looking in from the outside. You've known me for a little while now, you know, it does feel more aligned, but it's because I built it up to that point. Remember earlier when I was saying I was laying foundations that I didn't know I was laying, I was laying foundations and it was laying and now I have a studio, you know? So, that's why I think, you know, being resilient and if you have something that you really want to do, whatever that fear is, um, Oh, I don't want to fail. Oh, I'm afraid of other people, blah, blah, blah. You got to ignore that
Elizabeth Cheney:You have to.
Kiera Palmer:You got to feel the fear and do it anyway.
Elizabeth Cheney:Because this is your
Kiera Palmer:Yes,
Elizabeth Cheney:as Kira has said so much now about like, life is short. I know I'm always talking about how we are specs here in the universe. And like, our life existence is a story. Speck in the, in the timeline
Kiera Palmer:I'm like, is it even a spec? I mean we're on this like floating thing through the
Elizabeth Cheney:That's also a
Kiera Palmer:billions of years. Like it's crazy. We're
Elizabeth Cheney:all specks upon specks. Like
Kiera Palmer:it's really
Elizabeth Cheney:and also existential. But with that, because of your speck existence, why not?
Kiera Palmer:I mean. Why not? Why not
Elizabeth Cheney:Why not you? That's my favorite thing. Why not
Kiera Palmer:the time is going to pass anyway. Why not fill it with something that is lighting you on fire? My favorite, okay, my favorite quote is, Be fearless in the pursuit of what sets your soul on fire. Because if you can find that, oh my god, it doesn't feel like
Elizabeth Cheney:Right, exactly.
Kiera Palmer:you're excited to wake up the next day. time is going to pass. No matter what. So why, like I said, why not go try something that you've been wanting to do, okay? I, I joke all the time that, you know, I have a degree from the University of Georgia, but really my degree is in the University of Google and YouTube, right? I figure, I mean, I have a, like an, I joke too, just saying, one of my special talents is I just have a way of figuring shit out.
Elizabeth Cheney:Ooh, I say that too about
Kiera Palmer:right? I mean, just figure it out.
Elizabeth Cheney:I just want to figure it out.
Kiera Palmer:Because there's so many, especially, I mean, we are living in the most incredible times in terms of getting your fingertips on knowledge. You can, you can literally open up a computer and figure out whatever it is you need to figure out, right? So, if the time is going to pass anyway, you've got these lofty dreams and goals, I mean, if you don't take action, if you don't put one step in front of the other, even if you don't even know where you're going, you, you literally are never going to get there because you're not doing anything.
Elizabeth Cheney:And I know that sounds scary, but the path, less traveled, the path unknown, the getting out of your comfort zone is the scariest thing, but it's the most exhilarating, the most fulfilling, the most you're going to find your life's purpose.
Kiera Palmer:I mean, There are, you know, I mean, there's so many different types of stress. I mean, you, you, it's funny, you've been talking to me through this whole process of the studio opening and all this stuff, and I'm so stressed, but it's so much better of a stress than working at my 9 to 5 job, right? I, I welcome that stress, because it means I'm doing something. And, we, I think we all are guilty of negative self talk, and like your inner critic and things like that. That's, that's not. exclusive to you. We all do it, right? So, if you're thinking to yourself, Oh, I mean, I can't do this. Well, you're probably right, because if, if you think you can, or if you think you can, you're right.
Elizabeth Cheney:Oh! That's,
Kiera Palmer:you know, and so, if you say, Well, I've never done this before, and I don't know how, or I'm afraid, then, then you're not going to do it, because you don't believe in yourself. And if you can figure out a way to have unwavering belief in yourself, you'll find a way to do whatever it is you want to do. Now obviously, my favorite word that's like my lifetime word, I have every pick words, you know, for every year. So this year my word is momentum, because I feel like there's a lot of momentum going on. But my like lifetime word is limitless. Because, um, the only limit that you have is the one that you put on yourself. Now, and I say that, and I want to put a little asterisk by that, because I can tell you right now, there's probably somebody listening that's like, yeah, but what about, you know, X, Y, and Z? Meaning, okay, there's things that we cannot control. Okay, so, but I'm talking about the things that we can control. You don't really have a limit. So, whether or not that you think you can, you're right. And then the second part of that, if part of that is not the, oh, I don't think I can figure it out, because you can. But if you're really worried about like what other people are going to think or you're worried about failing in front of others, then you're probably not cut out for entrepreneurship because there's two parts to that. Number one, every successful person that you look up to, every single one of them. I mean, you think about the Sarah Blakely's or the Ed Milets Hermosy, like all these people that we all look up to. They have had. crazy amounts of failures. And they talk about that, right? I mean, you know, Sarah Blakely's story is so cool to me. You know, where she just did not take no for an answer. You know, or Hermosi talking about how to sleep in a gym. Like, I mean, they had nothing. Just working, working, working. So, failing, you gotta think of it as like failing forward.
Elizabeth Cheney:I used to tell sounds like should my catch slogan be like fail up? He's like, I don't know. Fail up should be like your whole podcast slogan. He's like, but I get the idea.
Kiera Palmer:yes, but fail for because failure just leads to success
Elizabeth Cheney:yes.
Kiera Palmer:fail if you don't stop.
Elizabeth Cheney:And failure isn't failure for like what we think of as a society. Failure is like pivoting. Failure is learning. Failure is wait, you know what? I don't think I like that anyway. So let me, let me go this direction. Like it's a scary F word. It really is. But it's actually an F word that you should
Kiera Palmer:Right, because I think about, okay, first of all, no one is perfect. No one, a boring, like, you know, imperfect is boring as fuck. Like, I mean, who wants to be perfect? Or if I'm looking up to you and I say, hey, how'd you start this business? How'd you get there? Well, I just woke up one day and turned on the light switch and there it was. No, no, and then like, and then you're like, okay, well, no, we're inspired by people because they take the punches and they keep on rolling, right? They pivot, they, they do all these things to get to where they need to go. So if number one, if failure is what you're afraid of, then you're not cut out for it because you're going to fail. It's going to happen and they're going to have to pivot. It just happens. It, whether or not it is like a complete shutdown of a business, which I've done, or just a pivot. That's it. You're going to have to embrace that. And then the second thing, which I think is where the failure and the being afraid of what people think are the two main things that hold people back.
Elizabeth Cheney:Ding, ding, ding.
Kiera Palmer:can find a way to get past that, because You know the phrase, like when you're growing up, Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt
Elizabeth Cheney:Biggest truck of shit
Kiera Palmer:is bullshit. Words hurt feelings. You know, like, when people say hurt, but if you can find a way to be resilient in that and let it kind of bounce off of you. Um, what is
Elizabeth Cheney:Oh, what, what
Kiera Palmer:Was that something about bounces off of me sticks on you? The glue thing? I don't remember that thing. But if you can find a way to just like, let it move past you. Like, yes, it may kinda upset you. I mean, we're all human. If someone doesn't like you, you don't really want them to not like you. But I think we forget that we're all human. Obsessed with our own shit, you know, like I'm thinking about, you know, what am I doing this week? So I may think I have a fleeting thought about somebody, but I feel like most of the people do. Right. So you got to get past that. And if you can figure out a way to pass the fear and the way to do that is not going to like go away. You're not going to just all of a sudden wake up one day and think, Oh, I'm invincible. No, no, no, no, no. It's just learning how to ignore the noise and keep going. Ignore the noise, keep going.
Elizabeth Cheney:And this is also where my favorite two letter word, self love, comes into play. Because self love is what's going to give you, it's going to help enable the confidence. It's going to help enable like, Okay, that was really mean what Kira said to me, but like, I'm not doing this for Kira. I'm doing this for me, and I'm just picking on you. Like, Kira is just some random person on the internet. I don't
Kiera Palmer:I mean, because gosh, you get a lot of flowers and then you're gonna get trolls making
Elizabeth Cheney:Exactly,
Kiera Palmer:they're always gonna be
Elizabeth Cheney:there's gonna be people who are insufferable, and there's people on the internet who like, think it's funny, and there's people on the internet who are jealous. Like, it just happens. So, you love yourself. Enough that even when the going gets tough, so to speak, you know that you're gonna make it out and you love yourself enough that when you do fail, you don't, that's not the end. You love yourself enough that when you fail, it's like, okay, well this is another opportunity. This is another pivot. This is another, another, another thing. So It's all easier said than done, but like that's why the foundation of loving yourself and believing in yourself and believing in your dreams and believing in like, Hey, there's something more to this. Like something's driving me. I, and I know you would agree, like lean into
Kiera Palmer:hmm.
Elizabeth Cheney:lean into that. And also just for everyone listening, there's nothing wrong with working nine to five in a corporate company either. However, if it's toxic as hell, get the hell out.
Kiera Palmer:I mean, some, I had actually somebody say something to me one time about, you know, some people need to have an, I'm like, course we need people to work nine to fives, right? What would we do if like a society broke down? We didn't have food? Law firms, I mean like, yes, but my point is, is that if that is not lighting you up and you feel that there is a bigger calling and you feel that there is something else out there for you, you feel like you can operate something on your own because you want that freedom, it is 100 percent an option for you and it 99. 9 percent of the time becomes the most fulfilling thing that you
Elizabeth Cheney:Even the failures and the hard parts. Like it's still
Kiera Palmer:Oh, the pit, the knockdowns, the, I mean, the roll with the punches that we joke about. I mean, like, they're always there. I mean, there's no way, but I don't even think I'd want to know that person. Like, if you, there's no way you can get through life without going through that. Same way with business. And, you know, entrepreneurship is the coolest thing. The coolest thing. I mean, How cool is it that you just get to use your talent to create an income to do the things that you love to do? I think it's just the most magical thing, right? I mean, how special is
Elizabeth Cheney:special. It is.
Kiera Palmer:how grateful, how blessed am I that I get to do this? I'm telling you, if you could just figure out a way to get those two things, you, I mean, you literally are limitless. mean, you can be fearless in the pursuit of your passion,
Elizabeth Cheney:Mm. This is so empowering. I'm really glad we met and I'm just, I'm, I'm thinking about 2019 Elizabeth who didn't know that this was going to be a podcast who wanted to, at the time, empower women and empower others to believe in themselves, but I didn't know, I didn't know what that meant. And then to see this organization, the Women Project, and I'm like, I want to, I want to know her. I want to do this. And here I am knowing you, being friends with you, and I'm doing that, but on my own way through the podcast. thank you so much, but it just. I appreciate what you said about if there is something that is inside you that is tickled by the idea of something more or something different, lean into that.
Kiera Palmer:yeah, and you you said, you know, we've we've talked about a few things and we've brought up the women project Which is no longer in existence, right? I mean and I've pivoted now because something happened there and it was not great and it was Heartbreaking to me and We don't have
Elizabeth Cheney:We don't have to get into the details, but you know, it was heartbreaking to sense that you were growing. You were getting in other, you were getting in other states, other cities, like we were going national.
Kiera Palmer:trying to think, about nine cities, that we were operating in. And, I got, I mean, just, I got kind of screwed over. Um, I put my trust in the wrong individual. And there was, um, a situation in which broke my heart. I mean, just. really tapped into that, like, insecurity that you can feel when you're doing something. And so, you know, knee jerk reaction, I shut, I shut it down, um, because I had so much, uh, negative, correlation to that, even though we were doing something really, really amazing, But when we talk about pivoting, you know, and doing all that, that was a year and a half ago, and now we're about to relaunch something that's very similar, but better, under a different name. Thank you. So. I just took some time off and, uh, kind of sat back and thought about what I wanted to do in the future when it looks like that and been having conversations around that and how do we want to bring something like that back to, you know, the city and to the cities we were in and all that stuff too. So, when we were talking about rolling with the, I love saying that, rolling with the punches because you're going to get them. And if you just. Um, you could end up coming up with something even better. You know, if something doesn't work, something better could be coming along. And here we are sitting in my brand new content events podcast studio and that's about to open and we're about to relaunch our. Women's organization, which I guess I could say a women. So, but if you, if you look back to where I was in the summer of 2022, when all this was going on, it wrecked me, you know, I mean, it really did. But I think that. If you can understand that you're gonna go through stuff like that in business and in life And it's okay to take a step back and think about it and say is this something because I couldn't shut it down and then Never thought about it again, but obviously it's been something that's just like eating at me like non stop But you know and really thinking to myself is this what I want to be doing do I want you to die and then The answer to that is while I've been growing this other stuff. Yes, I still want that So I'm gonna redo it, you know? So, it's okay to take some time too and really think about what, what do you really want? What, what do you really want? Are you now, is it something that you really want? Or is it something told you Right? So, anyway, just wanted to add that because I
Elizabeth Cheney:No, I'm glad you did
Kiera Palmer:know, when we talk about pivoting and stuff like that, that is a, I mean, that's a whole long story for another day, but that is something that I grew very successfully and then just like light switch on and off, turned it off because it was not aligned with me at the time due to something to an outside factor that I had no control over. No, I could have handled that before that happened so that it wouldn't be such a wreck. But of course, I have like blind trust in people which you tell me the sky is green. I'm like, okay That is something that as a businesswoman I've had to learn over time to you can't be too too nice all the time You have to be like make sure you're protecting yourself
Elizabeth Cheney:True, but props to you for still being a badass woman and having those protections and boundaries in place, but also still being a good person, like not getting jaded by that. Like. I think that really is a testament to you and your strength and your determination and resilience of like, this is really unfortunate. And like, and I say all this to also state, it's not that you didn't feel, it's not that you invalidated your feelings, you allowed yourself to process, but you're also like, all right, I'm not gonna let this negatively affect me in any way. I'm not gonna let this make me insecure because I'm a badass. Like, I, I, and I hope that like, especially now, you can look back and see, but look at what I did, look how much it grew, holy shit, yeah, I got screwed over, F that, but look at me now, and now it's turning into something even bigger. Bigger and better and even though at the time you didn't see this studio happening But but it has and it's something that's even more aligned with who you are So again, this is just another example of like pivoting and failing up failing forward and how it can work out in the best way. so I just that's I'm really glad that we talked about that because Pivoting is also scary and it's like I
Kiera Palmer:But pivot, it's like the, pivoting is probably one of the coolest tools, or one of the most useful tools that you can have in your
Elizabeth Cheney:Right, right.
Kiera Palmer:if
Elizabeth Cheney:time
Kiera Palmer:Oh, I mean, life,
Elizabeth Cheney:what age, doesn't
Kiera Palmer:I mean, anything, right? If you can figure out how to, like, position yourself in a better way. Like, if something, It's not going your way and you need to pivot in a different direction. If you can figure out how to do that and do that quickly, then, oh my gosh, you become invincible. Right. I mean, I mean, unstoppable, limitless, you know. I mean, it just, all the things, yeah. Because you're like, okay, well, that didn't work, so I'm going to go this direction. Or, you know what, I don't, I don't really, I don't like that, or I don't enjoy that, or maybe I shouldn't have been spending so much time with this person, or all of those things that you're learning throughout your life, you become this like power machine once you get into that spot, where you can just say, nope, pivoting, nope, pivoting, nope, pivoting, you know, so yeah, that's something that you should, in terms of life, entrepreneurship, whatever, if you can master that, Oh my gosh. So if you get all those things in a row, like you, you can get to a point where you can ignore the noise of others opinions, you can ignore the noise of your own fear and just do it anyway, because you're, you're, everyone is afraid. If you guys, I'm not kidding you,
Elizabeth Cheney:then no
Kiera Palmer:up this, oh my gosh, opening up the studio, I've been terrified. It's a brand new, this is a brand new adventure, it's scary, but if you can just learn how to ignore that and then know when to pivot, you're golden.
Elizabeth Cheney:you can embrace change, embrace the fear, you're limitless. Yes.
Kiera Palmer:Exactly. Yes.
Elizabeth Cheney:So one of the last questions I want to ask you, Kira, and I feel like you've given so many great nuggets of wisdom. So I feel like this might not even be worth it. But I'm just kidding. Of course, it's worth it. But what is a piece of advice that you would give your younger self?
Kiera Palmer:give your younger self? What a good question, because we have so much knowledge since you were a kid, right? Like you've learned so many things, and I think there's tons of things that you could say to that. You know, whether it's don't worry about others think of you, it's not going to matter, you know, like whoever, that bully in high school, it does not matter, you know, stuff like that. But I think part of what we've been talking about and what has really, really resonated with me, you know, looking back is that the reason my word is limitless is because the only limit that you have is the one that you put on yourself. And if I knew, you know, when I was younger, that X, Y, and Z wasn't the limit. Or if, you know, I didn't have to go to college and then get this job and da da da. Like, I wish that I knew earlier on that not only is the phrase the sky is the limit also bullshit, there's a lot of stuff past the sky. You know, I mean, it just, you think it is. Like, if we're sitting in a building and then there's the roof on the ceiling, you know, ceiling and you don't think you can go any further. You just can't even bust through it. I know that's very random, but, um, I just wish that people knew, and I think more so within yourself, that there are so many amazing opportunities and possibilities out there, but you have to just know that you are not limited by what your current situation is, right? If you are struggling financially, if you're struggling in a relationship, if you're struggling you know, at your job. Whatever that is, you can pivot, you can change, because there is no limitation to what you want to do, or what you want to accomplish. And again, I know that there are quote unquote some limitations, meaning if I woke up this morning and decided I want to be an astronaut, There's some limitations around that, right? But then you know what I would start doing. Okay, what do I need to do? Oh, probably need to go to school. Okay, what school? Oh, I don't know if I can afford that. How would I afford that? What can I do as a second job to start saving money? Like, you start laying the um, the path that, that would get you there. Now would I ever get there? Probably not, because that's not my zone of genius. Dear God, any math, science, no thank you anymore, right? I am right side of the brain to the max, but. But what I'm saying is that there's always like a possibility to wherever it is that you're trying to get. There's, there's always an option. So I just don't want people, I wouldn't want myself, you know, others, stop limiting yourself. Because you're doing it to yourself. That's on you. That's on you. So if you knew when you were younger, that you weren't going to have a limitation to whatever it is, the dream that you wanted to do, and if you had that like planted within you, and you never, ever waver from that, can you imagine what you create? You know?
Elizabeth Cheney:Seriously. I think about this so often sometimes, because I feel like part of like why we all as a society feel we're scared of fear and failure and we don't love ourselves and all of the things is because society doesn't teach us how and doesn't prioritize it. So yeah, if you can find that, like, maybe that's what we're trying to do here is teach people even at the earliest age. Yourself.
Kiera Palmer:you're your biggest champion, right? I mean, now, it's pretty really fantastic, I will not lie, to have people, I mean, having people in your corner. Yes. Right? I mean, that is, that is great. Very good,
Elizabeth Cheney:You, you need that. You need
Kiera Palmer:need and if you can I mean if I'm mentoring somebody I can say I can take a look around you Let me see who's in your life and who you're spending time with and do that and I can show you your future I mean if you can surround yourself with people who want to see when who care to see when are there for you during your rough Times like that's important. Okay, obviously and I'm not diminishing that at all I'm very blessed in my own life to have people who are Crazy supportive and, and they're my biggest cheerleaders and things like the relationship that you have with yourself is the most important one because like we've said before, if you don't believe you can, you won't. If you don't da da da. So if you know, deep down, what it is that you can do or you're not limited to do, then that is gonna drive you further than anyone giving you words of affirmation is going to do. Yeah. Because it's a self belief.
Elizabeth Cheney:exactly. And that is ultimately what takes you to the Your own personal top is your, you,
Kiera Palmer:and if you're not whole and if you're not good and if we're not you talk about self love a lot And that's very important, and I know that's something that you know you could spend a whole nother hour talking about but so having unwavering belief in yourself But also loving yourself enough to know that if you can be very Happy within yourself and know that you're on the right track doing what you love doing what lights you up You're gonna make everything else around you very good, too So like if you're a mom and you're you're taking care of yourself You're doing the things that you want to do. You're going to be a better mama. You're going to be a better wife. You're going to be a better friend. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cheney:And then those relationships, the people that you're like interacting with, they'll benefit
Kiera Palmer:Yes,
Elizabeth Cheney:and then they'll go be better people and then their relationships will be benefit and that's what we call the ripple effect. So see, it all starts with you. It all starts with you. Oh, I love that. Well, is there any other last parting pieces of advice you'd like to give our fellow, our fellow, my fellow listeners?
Kiera Palmer:Well, I just love that you have me on. Thank you so much. I'm having such a good time talking to you every time we talk.
Elizabeth Cheney:for sure.
Kiera Palmer:but yeah, I, I will just add this. I was thinking about this morning when we were talking about entrepreneurship and you know, just how exciting that can be and all that. And I thought to myself, this is so random. I'm going to share it. Cause I made myself giggle a little bit, but do you know the show Ted Lasso,
Elizabeth Cheney:Oh God,
Kiera Palmer:the best show? Cause they have so many good little, Nuggets of knowledge and self love and all that stuff and there's a part and I remember writing this down in my notes And when I talk about having limitations and stuff like that, there's a point in the show where Roy Kent is With Keely and then gosh, I'm drawing a blank on her name Hannah the boss lady Rebecca Rebecca They lead this dinner and the guy that she brought she's like, okay, so what do you think and Keely's like, oh, he's good He's a great match and then you know Roy Roy's He's like, oh, for you know, he had his attitude and he says something and I wish that I like knew the entire quote, but it resonated with me like in life and entrepreneurship and that's why I'm bringing it up and we would talk about limitations. He says, don't you dare settle for fine because he said about the guy, he's fine, but what makes you think that he deserves you? You're like, you're epic. Don't you dare settle for fine. And so that is kind of. Um, a lot of the stuff that we've been talking about in this episode and chasing your dreams and believing in yourself and da da da, I just want to tell your listeners, don't you dare settle for fine. You're bigger than that. Don't do that to yourself. Don't settle for fine.
Elizabeth Cheney:No, you're
Kiera Palmer:Life is too amazing.
Elizabeth Cheney:It's too amazing. Ooh, gosh. I think that's how we end. That was so, that was so epic. I'm ready to go take charge. Let's go. Let's go. I loved
Kiera Palmer:I love
Elizabeth Cheney:Well, for everyone listening, where can they find you? Because you have so much, you have a vast plethora of knowledge, but you also now have an epic social studio space. So, where can everyone find
Kiera Palmer:so um obviously we're all all over the social medias And you can follow me personally at Kira Palmer at Kira Palmer Instagram Which was where I usually hang out, but I have a marketing agency. I have the studio I have The business class. So there's all these places that you can find me. But the studio, if you're in Atlanta, is called the social studio, a T L on instagram and business class women on instagram as well, which is launching here soon. We're relaunching. So yeah, you can find me on there. I usually live on instagram. It's probably like my older millennial, self talking, haven't yet grasped. I'm kind of on it like the tick tocks and all that. But that's where you can talk.
Elizabeth Cheney:I love it and I'll make sure I link everything in the show notes so y'all be able to find and you'll be, see Yes. Come say hello and you'll, I, you're gonna be seeing me here all the time, so I mean, just by default. Hey, maybe we'll have like an in-between event here too. I would love that.
Kiera Palmer:Oh, girl, you've got to put live
Elizabeth Cheney:Yeah. This is, this is
Kiera Palmer:listen to her. How
Elizabeth Cheney:This is so much fun. Oh, stop it. Stop.
Kiera Palmer:Oh, my goodness. Well, Kira, and
Elizabeth Cheney:Oh my goodness. Well, thank you Kira, and what a fantastic note to end on my women's won series. My women's wellness series that has nothing to do with women's history month, but I'm doing it on women's history I think that's so
Kiera Palmer:perfect, it makes perfect sense, like why not?
Elizabeth Cheney:so much sense because we're making
Kiera Palmer:making history. That's right. Her story. Oh
Elizabeth Cheney:Oh my gosh. Okay on that note. Thank you so much for listening If y'all would like to follow me, you're not doing this already You can check it out on instagram at in dot between pod and elizabeth cheney underscore. That's my personal So follow me there too because like your girl's trying to grow both And then this episode will also be on YouTube at the in between podcast. So until then, I'll see you next week. Bye.