In-Between: Finding Your Confidence with Taylor Hutton

This week's in-between features a special guest all the way from down under. Please welcome Taylor Hutton to the podcast! Taylor is the host of Create with Confidence, a podcast about helping others find confidence within themselves to go after anything they want in life. 

Here's a look at what's in store for this week:

• Stereotypes of America vs Australia (I couldn't help myself lol)
• The many pivots life takes you - Taylor has had many!
  • How those pivots lead you right where you need to be
• Setting the intention of your pursuits
• Keeping the right people in your corner 
• What could be holding you back
• Failure is ok
• Are you comfortable or are you coping? 
• An incredible story that helped shape Taylor's outlook on life 

This episode has so much heart and I'm so excited to share it! If you've ever doubted yourself or just need a dose of confidence, look no further, this is the episode for you. 

Follow Taylor on Instagram at @tayhutton and visit her at www.tayhutton.com! 

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Transcript

Elizabeth: 0:05

hey, welcome back to another episode of the in between. I'm your host, Elizabeth Cheney and y'all. I have a very special guest with me today for this week on the podcast. She is all the way in the other side of the world. Her name is Taylor Hutton. Sorry for that really horrible Australian accent, but she is the host of Create with Confidence. If you're not listening, you should absolutely be listening. I was on her podcast a few weeks ago and well. We just became instant friends. So yes, I do have a friend in Australia and yes, that makes me feel 15, 000 times cooler. So welcome to the pod. Taylor.

Taylor: 0:42

Thank you so much for having me. I am not going to try and impersonate your accent, purely because

Elizabeth: 0:49

I don't blame you.

Taylor: 0:50

we're not doing that. I am horrific at accents. I moved to, this is kind of so random, but that's kind of how we do these episodes. I moved to London in the summer. like ages ago and I started to just like adopt their accent and I came back and everyone's like what are you doing? So now I have to be very mindful

Elizabeth: 1:08

I could see that happening though. Cause like any, I mean, not that I am a accent extraordinaire, but for the longest time I could not pull off the Australian accent because I would

Taylor: 1:17

You did pretty good.

Elizabeth: 1:18

accent. Well, it's cause I practiced. I'm dead. I mean, when I went to Italy last year, like there were so many Australian tourists and I don't know, I just kept finding them. So I would like practice like after, I mean, I am a theater kid. Let me just, but for that, before everyone thinks I'm a psycho, I just practice accents for just fun. I'm an international spy. Um, but hearing them, I'd be like, Ooh, gelato, you know, and I would just start to like copy it. I'm a freak. I don't even know why I just admitted that to you and on the podcast, but, uh, there we are welcome to the in between.

Taylor: 1:52

You know what, that kind of just goes to show that when you did come on to the podcast, on my podcast, we just instantly clicked and it's like, we've spoken once literally on that call and now it's like just hanging out with a bestie. Absolutely.

Elizabeth: 2:09

I was like, Hey, I'm going to go record my Australian friend. And at first he was just like, wait, what? Cause he's like, are they here? Like what's happening? And I was like, you know, Taylor's like, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh yeah. Your friend in Australia. Yes. recall. cause I was like, yeah, whenever we eventually get over there, which we do want to go there next year, that's like on our list. I will be hitting you up because we're friends now. We're besties. So, you

Taylor: 2:30

Absolutely, please do.

Elizabeth: 2:32

um, but yeah, I love your accent. So before we kind of get in today's episode, I did have a funny idea and more so just out of curiosity, what are stereotypes that you think of when you think of America? And I'm putting you on the

Taylor: 2:48

no, don't do this to me. Um, look, I

Elizabeth: 2:53

want to stay away from politics, you can just FYI. Cause, uh,

Taylor: 2:58

I have to admit, I haven't met too many. American people in person. So my experience is very much based on like one or two people that I didn't have great experiences with.

Elizabeth: 3:13

Oh!

Taylor: 3:13

say that. But, um, you know, apart from you, you're amazing. And I'm sure there's so many amazing people out there. I've never been to America. It is on the list. Um, but, yeah. The one guy that I did have, he was very arrogant and very much took up so much space in the room and just talked over everybody and was very loud and very rude and I guess that's like so biased because so many people are not like that but I guess you know the stereotype about Australians is that we're very chill and very laid back and I've never been like one to that. think that I'm like that. But I guess in that sense, it probably was a little bit more. So, I don't know. I guess

Elizabeth: 3:56

was gonna

Taylor: 3:56

that was my bad experience.

Elizabeth: 3:58

I don't wanna say that's accurate, but that doesn't surprise me.

Taylor: 4:03

Okay.

Elizabeth: 4:04

You said, you said a man, right? You said an arrogant man, an arrogant American man, for all my listeners. Do we think that hits? Yes, we've probably all crossed one. But, you know, I will be the positive, the positive girlie for the Americans at the moment. And I will say most of us, at least the people that I know, are pretty awesome. But, uh,

Taylor: 4:25

Look, I don't think it really matters based on where you are in the world. There's assholes everywhere and there's wonderful people everywhere. So I don't think it's just associated there.

Elizabeth: 4:34

Absolutely. I will say my stereotype of Australians besides all of you looking beautiful, like I've never met or I've only met a handful, but like seen, I've never seen an ugly Australian person. I'm just going to say that.

Taylor: 4:47

I have.

Elizabeth: 4:48

She's, you're like, yeah, uh, you need, yeah. We we highlight

Taylor: 4:53

come to Australia.

Elizabeth: 4:57

So you're all just all like goddesses just like like because every time I talked to one of my friends were like what's in the water? in Australia because seriously y'all just Beautiful people. and I also assume you have the craziest most deadliest animals I feel like if I go to Australia, I'm gonna die by something like either a giant magpie Or a, one of your a hundred millions of deadly poisonous snakes, which that terrifies me. Or you're flying spiders or you're great white sharks. Like you have so many scary things like

Taylor: 5:31

Yeah, but like, I mean, they're not just gonna crawl up on you, like, you have to

Elizabeth: 5:36

so chill.

Taylor: 5:37

looking for them. I guess, well, that's the thing, like, I grew up around them, so it's not a big deal to me. Whereas, like, thinking of, like, a bear, or, I don't know, whatever the other scary creatures you guys, mountain lions and stuff, like, we don't have that. So, like, you know, we've got, like, a small spider where you just, you know, Don't go in the bush. You know, like I live in the

Elizabeth: 5:58

Uh, I have literally seen pictures of some season you have where there is like mass spiders falling, falling from the sky. And I'm like, that is, that is my hell. Oh, that is my hell. so you're just saying, oh, it was just another day.

Taylor: 6:11

too. Well, I'm terrified of spiders too. So look, I don't do spiders. I moved to an apartment and I have not seen one spider in my apartment. So they're not like just everywhere. And great white sharks. Like you go to the beach, we've got like shark nets. Like you'll be fine. Don't even worry about it.

Elizabeth: 6:30

All

Taylor: 6:30

Sharknecks to, like, keep you safe is what I mean.

Elizabeth: 6:33

Every time I, well, I'm just like, yeah, my mind was spiraling. I was like, I have so many questions on that. Like, is there like a shark safe part of the beach? Cause like every time I hear of a shark death, it's in Australia. Like it's not America. Well, I mean, I'm just kidding. It's, it has happened in America, but I'm just joshing either way. It is nice to hear you disband every terrifying stereotype I have of Australia. But I would say, I also think that. Y'all, there we go, some southern slang, are very laid back and chill because I feel like it's just an adventure there. Like, that's what Australia says to me, like, or says, seems like to me, is just, just adventure. would you agree?

Taylor: 7:12

Yeah, it's Honestly, I love it. Like I've traveled a little bit all through Europe. I lived in London for a while and I feel like because Australia is so big, you can experience so many different like ways of living. Like my cousin, she lives in Queensland, which, well, it's kind of like Northern New South Wales. I'm going to say Queensland, like the Gold Coast, you know, so very beachy, very laid back. She'll come home from work and she'll be like, let's go and just go to the beach. And I'm like. What? Like, that doesn't happen. Like, I, I don't live like that. I live in Melbourne, so I'm very much like into the art and the culture and the food and the city lifestyle. And then you've got the desert and, you know, beautiful beaches, beautiful people, beautiful food. Like, you can go pretty much anywhere in Australia and you will find something that you will love based on, you know, whatever your interests are. So you've got to come. You've got to

Elizabeth: 8:06

Okay, no, I'm coming, and I may not come back, so there's that.

Taylor: 8:09

Ha ha! Well, you've already got one friend here if you do.

Elizabeth: 8:13

long as I don't see a snake, if I can go to Australia and not see a snake, because I think that's really what I'm hung up on, that might sell me. But if I see a snake, then all fear is activated, and I'll know. The snakes are falling from the sky too, like that's next. Um,

Taylor: 8:28

Stick

Elizabeth: 8:28

have a rainforest? Wow, I'm an, I'm ignorant. I didn't even know, well, apparently there's a rainforest here. Oh, is that a rainforest?

Taylor: 8:37

Well, you've got the reef is, like, the ocean side, and then on the other

Elizabeth: 8:41

am about to sound so stupid,

Taylor: 8:43

the rainforest, yeah. Well, if you don't,

Elizabeth: 8:45

not know

Taylor: 8:46

know, if you've never been here, how would you know? Yeah.

Elizabeth: 8:48

Well, I should have probably also paid attention in like, you know, history, geography. Yeah, man. I don't know how many times I'm like, oh, that's a country? I thought that was a city. My bad. Like, oh, goodness. But I know the main ones. I know the main ones. So, all that said and done. Thank you for joining me. Australia sounds like an adventure. You know what? When I do get my ass over there, we should team up and do, like, another, uh, episode. And we'll do it, like, Together, like in person, and then I can talk about all the things that I was wrong about. And you can find out all the wrong things you're wrong about about Americans, because I represent all of America. No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Nobody come after me. Um, but anywho, so you are a podcaster. Create with confidence. I love the name. and you have dabbled in lots of different, and when I say lots, I don't mean like a bajillion, but like a couple of different like entrepreneurial paths. And, um, I just, my first question is what led you down this path of one, I guess being an entrepreneur and then like, how did that segue into the podcast? Oh,

Taylor: 9:54

know how far to go back to kind of answer it to give the best picture, but I guess we'll go All the way back. Like my background is actually in photography. I always knew that I wanted to be a photographer. I was like at high school and I was like, I'm going to go to this uni, I'm going to get this school, I'm going to, you know, do all the things, got in and then had no idea what kind of photography I wanted to actually do. So like in uni, I did everything. I tried everything. I did portraiture. I did food. I did fashion. I did lifestyle. I did, you know, everything. And then after uni, I got a job at a family portrait studio and I still really didn't know like what I wanted to, but I was like, I got bills to pay, like I need a job. So I started doing that and I loved it, but I did not have the best experience with my boss and I'm not going to really go too much into like the details, but she was like, just wild. It was a wild time. And so, um, I made a decision, well I'll tell you one thing, I got sick, I'd been working like 50 hour weeks, like over, not 50 over time, but like, you know, 10 12 hours over time, every day I was there until like, you know, the sun went down, and we were really busy, and then obviously my body can't handle that, I hadn't been sick or like taken a day off in a year, and

Elizabeth: 11:15

And a year. Oh my

Taylor: 11:17

yeah in a year, and I woke up, and at this point I would have been 22? 21? Maybe?

Elizabeth: 11:23

so very young. Okay.

Taylor: 11:24

Yeah, yeah, really young. And I remember waking up and like my whole body was like Like I couldn't move my, where my bedroom was and my bathroom were, were probably five steps apart. I couldn't even get up out of bed to walk to the bathroom. Like my mom had to help carry me. And so I was like, I'm supposed to be photographing newborns. I was like, I can't go into work. Like I can't drive the hour and a half. It was going to take me to get to work to then spend, you know, six hours shooting two newborn clients. So I called my boss and she was like, I can't believe that you are doing this. Like calling in sick on, you know, at such a busy day. I can't believe you're doing this to me. You need to clean your house so that this never happens to me again. And my mom was a cleaner and she's always like had a very clean house. Also, Karina had never been like to my house before.

Elizabeth: 12:12

That is so bizarre and it's such a breach of like just

Taylor: 12:16

yeah,

Elizabeth: 12:17

So

Taylor: 12:19

And.

Elizabeth: 12:20

offensive. Oh my God.

Taylor: 12:21

I was like, Excuse me? I was like, what? And she's like, you need to call all your clients. I'm not calling them for you. So I called them all. Obviously my clients were like, yeah, no, that's fine. Like, don't, if you're sick, don't come near my

Elizabeth: 12:31

Yeah, they're not gonna want you, yeah, especially a newborn. I can't believe your boss didn't think about that because I feel like that'd be more negative, like a worse impact. Yeah.

Taylor: 12:38

Yeah. She's like, you don't sound sick. I'm like, well, I'm not like sick as in I've got a cold as in I can't move my body, my body's so exhausted and burnt out. And so I think it was from like that point in time that I was like, like, this was, I think about six months before I left, but it was that day that I was just like, I've put in so much effort. I've put in so much work for you. I, you know, I'm like the manager there. I'm training the staff. I'm doing everything. I'm bringing in the most sales. I'm doing the most work. For you to say that to me, like, that is so disgusting. This is, I do not want to be a part of this anymore. I need to get out of here.

Elizabeth: 13:13

you.

Taylor: 13:14

And so I, over the next six months, saved every penny that I had. And I was like, I am going to Europe. This has always been my dream. I want to fly overseas, live in London, live my best life in London. I don't know what I'm going to do over there. And, Like no fears like came up around it. I was like,

Elizabeth: 13:31

love it. Love

Taylor: 13:33

like in hindsight now I'm like, why won't you like a little bit more scared? But I was just like, it's going to be fine. And everyone kept trying to like convince me, Oh, what if you don't get a job? I'm like, of course I'm going to find a job. Why would I not? And you know, anyway, I got over there, I literally, I literally took 5, 000, which, That's Australian dollars. So in American dollars, it's probably like two and a half. I don't really know the conversion rates, but anyway, it's not much. And,

Elizabeth: 13:59

ask me.

Taylor: 14:01

I had the, like one week's worth of accommodation booked and everyone's like, don't you think you should have more? I'm like, nah, of course I'll find a place in a week. Why would I not? And I just, I went into it with like so much delusion and I feel like it helped me because if I actually knew. What was on, like, the other side. I wouldn't have gone, because when I got there, I had, like, a breakdown. I had to go and, like, stay with these random people who were, like, friends of friends of friends. And they were lovely, but I was so far out of my comfort zone. And then three weeks later We were all in lockdown because of the pandemic. So I spent my My I was gonna be like travel photographer. Like I was gonna travel all around Europe. Had all these plans. I had set up my blog. My social media was going. And yeah, three weeks later I was like, Well, now what am I gonna do?

Elizabeth: 14:50

you were stuck there?

Taylor: 14:52

Yeah, I was,

Elizabeth: 14:53

Were you able to get out or were you stuck?

Taylor: 14:55

I could have got out, but I had like signed a six month lease and I just started a job. So I was like, and I also didn't have a TV. I was like, I was getting my news from social media and I wasn't really on social media a lot. And so like the only reason why I was on there, it's like post my travel stuff, not to like stalk people and, you know, watch the news on it. So I really didn't know how bad it was, which once again, blessing in disguise. And. And so I was over there, I was like, Oh, okay. We have to line up to get groceries. Oh, that's fine. Like I I've seen worse, you know? And, um, so I really had no idea. And it was kind of throughout that time that I was like, wow, what am I going to do? Like in the meantime, I was going to start this travel blog. I was going to do this. I was going to do that. And now. Like, I can't do any of that because I can't leave my house, let alone travel all around Europe creating a travel blog.

Elizabeth: 15:47

timing. This is wild timing. I just can't. Wow.

Taylor: 15:51

Crazy. And so then I started, like, I was working at a job over there, like a random real estate, like, customer service job just to kind of pay the bills. And then in my spare time, which I had a lot of, I was doing, like, trying to work with other travel brands to help them with, like, How you can travel from home and like writing blogs to help them still make money and still like connect with their clients, even though the clients can't actually travel at the moment. And so I was working on their social media and then that kind of turned into me starting my own like social media management, like freelancing business. And then I came home and I did a course, I heard about like being a virtual assistant and I was like, That sounds like fun. Like, we can't really go anywhere. We can't do anything. For the last year I've worked from home. So maybe let's just go all in on this. Like, I don't want to work for somebody else. And I had bad boss experience. So I'm like, I know I would be a better boss than that. So why don't I just be my own boss?

Elizabeth: 16:55

Yeah. I can relate to that. I know what you mean.

Taylor: 16:58

yeah, absolutely. And so I think there's a lot of people who can relate to that, to be honest. And yeah, yeah, well. Unfortunately in one way, but then fortunately in another, because it means they're going to be better bosses for people in the future, right? They're changing that narrative. To the young people, you know, coming through, they're not going to have that same experience, which is amazing.

Elizabeth: 17:19

Yes, that is absolutely true.

Taylor: 17:21

Yeah, but for me, when I came back, I was like, yeah, what am I going to do? And then it kind of all evolved from there. And I like to call myself like the pivot queen. Cause I like throughout everything that I've done, like, I don't know really like what I'm doing here. Like, I'm just like, Oh, well let's just try that. And then if it doesn't feel good, I'll just try something else. And I'll just try something else. In the start, it didn't exactly serve me well. Cause I was like, well, it's not working. So I'm going to jump and, you know, shiny object syndrome. And so I never really gave myself enough time to fully see it through, but as I have kind of, you know, I've been doing this since 2020, so, you know, four years or like three and a half, I guess, depending, I can't even really remember when I started, but, um, Throughout that time, I've learned that actually you need to be a little bit more patient and building it, like building your own business. In theory, it's like, yeah, why don't I want to work for somebody else? So, you know, it's, I'll just do it for me. But in reality, it's a lot harder than that. And you have to kind of build a lot of self belief and self confidence. And I guess in a way I've always had that. Cause I was like, yeah, I'm going to go to Europe. It's going to be fine. And it was fine, but it was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be. And so that has been like a core pillar of. Like my business now and through virtual assisting. And then I started my coaching business and started my podcast. And the one thing that people always took away from working with me and from being in my, like my sphere, I guess you could call is like the underlying confidence. Like when I started business coaching, I was like, okay, so you need to have contracts, you need to have invoices. You need to have this, you need to have that. Anyone can Google that. Like everybody knows that realistically, but. It's the inner confidence that you actually need. And that is a lot harder to build, especially when, you know, you just start your business and you're like, Oh, I don't know what I'm doing.

Elizabeth: 19:11

Right.

Taylor: 19:11

that's kind of like a long winded story.

Elizabeth: 19:13

No, no, that was not long when I thought that was great. And also like, yes, you can Google that, which great call out, but when you are trying to start your own business or your own, like whether it's a podcast, whether it's a company, whether it's a blog, whatever, um, You may, you can Google all the things and then it's like information overload, but there is something of value when you get that validation or that validation from education from someone else. So, of course they probably loved you you are the confidence queen. So a few things I just want to point out or not point out, but bring up is one, I think it's super bad ass that at such a young age, you had a toxic boss and you girl boss your way out of that situation. I, I just, I

Taylor: 19:56

I thought it was normal. Like,

Elizabeth: 19:58

That's even more badass. Are

Taylor: 20:00

and my mum was

Elizabeth: 20:01

you thought it was normal to know your boundaries. Wow. I am so impressed.

Taylor: 20:06

No, I meant that like, her treating me like that, I thought that that was just normal, that that's like, what it was like. So I just put up with it for so long. No. No, my mum was like, get out of there, girl.

Elizabeth: 20:20

but even still for you to get out of there the way that you did, and then to just be like, screw you, like that is very impressive. And then to jump to a completely different country with the delusional confidence, the delulu confidence, that's like what it was trending like, you know, lately. Which I try to embrace that and like you, like there is something of value to it because it's like uninhibited Just I'm gonna bet on me who says I can't I think we talked about this on your podcast Why not me and I mean For you to be 20, what, 22, 21 with that kind of confidence, that is amazing. I didn't get that confidence until like a year and a half ago. Like, you know what I mean? And I, I was like 31, 30. So, uh, that's, that's really impressive. so, Pivoting. You've embraced pivoting. Even though you can't predict what's going to happen, you know that no matter what's going to be thrown your way, you're going to pivot. You're going to make it work. So what's been the biggest pivot you've had to make? And how do you embrace that uncertainty when you have to do a pivot, when you have to make a pivot? Oh,

Taylor: 21:32

I mean, I think like the biggest out of your comfort zone pivot that I've ever made was like moving overseas, but in business, it's always been like a little baby step over here. Like it's related, but it's not quite the same. And so I think the biggest, if we're talking like business wise, I feel like I've already kind of spoken about like moving overseas would be going from. Being like a virtual assistant, someone who's doing the work to then doing coaching, that would probably be the biggest pivot and realizing throughout that whole process that people don't always just need the information, they need you to believe in them so that they can build the belief themselves, because a lot of the time, you know, like we were talking about, like that validation from other another person, right? Yeah. you It's all good and well to be like, you don't need anyone to validate you, you're great on your own. But if you don't believe it, sometimes you actually do need just one person who can believe in you. And I think about, like, when I was in high school, and I was like, I'm gonna get into that uni course. Of course I am. There's no problems. And then any time I would, like, waver in that, my mum would be like, You told me you're going there, so like, you are. I believe you're gonna do it, so like, go back in your room, do your homework, get that score so you can go. Like, sometimes you just need that one person, and I was really lucky that my mom and my family were amazing, but Sometimes throughout that whole process, your family aren't amazing. And like some of my extended family were not amazing throughout that process. And, you know, when I was starting my business, how's your little business going? You know, like those little comments and, you know, things like that. Yeah. I had one that was like, I saw your little post the other day. It was very funny. I'm like, thanks. Goodbye block. And those people are not the people that you want to keep around. If your family and friends aren't supportive, like when you're just starting. Get rid of those things. You don't need those people. But you do need the people who will believe in you. And a lot of the time, the people who have been where you are, but are also like now where you want to be, they're the ones that you should go to for advice. Because they're the ones, or not even advice, but like the belief to be like, yeah, you can do it. Because they've been where you are. They know what it took. Yeah. And they're now in a place where you want to be. So they know what it's going to take for you to take that next step to get there as well. And I didn't realize that that was going to be part of my journey. So I think it was amazing that there was so many people coming to me who resonated with my story and resonated with my journey and who trusted me enough to put, you know, their self belief in my hands for a little bit until they could take it back and have it back themselves, which was really nice. Thanks.

Elizabeth: 24:19

that. No, it's so fulfilling. So do you still coach? Is that like your current business?

Taylor: 24:27

we might be coming back. Uh, I had a little bit like about six to nine months ago, I kind of stopped all my coaching. I pulled it all back and I was like, I'm doing business coaching, but life's a bit more like if people want to transform their life. Yes, it starts with confidence and that's always been a pillar of my business, but it's a bit more than just business. Like, I don't want to just teach people how to be confident on camera. I don't want to just teach people how to make more money in their business. I want to teach people how to change their lives. And so.

Elizabeth: 24:51

Ooh,

Taylor: 24:52

My pivot in my business kind of went down more of a like mindset confidence route and like the first season of my podcast was very much about building your business, how to become a virtual assistant, how to start your online business, how to make digital products like, you know, All that kind of stuff. And then now for season two, which is why I had you on, it was very, you know, relevant about the like, why not me is more about like building confidence holistically so that you can transform your life from the inside out with like mindset and, you know, switching those perspective shifts and things like that. So yeah, I kind of, I might come back, but for now it's just kind of finding my feet around, like, what do I actually want to do? We're in a, we're in another pivot.

Elizabeth: 25:37

But I, but, but each pivot is you like, like the original intention was I want to work for myself. And then you went down the, virtual assistant path. And then it's well, I guess it was a social media thing first. And then it was the assistant and then it was the coaching. And now it's like, coaching, but it's not. Business coaching. So each pivot has been from like you discovering like a different part of yourself like it's like a fulfillment pivot each time. And I'm really happy you shared that story because to me what I heard is you don't have to have it all figured out. When you start, it just takes one simple intention. Like yours was, I want to work for myself. Mine was, I want to create my dream job. Oh, just got a thumbs up. Don't know where that came from. Oh my goodness. That was silly. Uh, sorry. Um, distracted. but like mine was create my dream job. And. You lean into that, you being you, Taylor, me, Liz, you listening, you lean into that question, that driver, and then you just see what happens, let the magic happen. And, for you, I want to say, I did not have the confidence you had going into it. I was like, I want to do this, something's telling me I'd be really good at it, but like, I am terrified and have a lot of imposter syndrome. And. For you to just say, you know what? I don't know how, but it's gonna happen. I'm gonna make it work. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but there's magic in that because even though you don't necessarily know exactly how you're gonna make it happen, you just know you're gonna make it happen. And That's when The things you can't explain occur. The canon events come into your timeline. You meet the person that opens a door. Like, it's just, it's crazy, that's the one thing that I have picked up from, like, my journey with, you know, my pivots and making this podcast turning it into where I want it to go. so. I think that's really cool, that all your pivots still came from one trace point, you know, and I'm, I'm, I'm going to go on a limb and assume you don't regret any of it because it all led you to where you are to find, like, basically your higher, almost a higher calling, which is true, but very, like, I didn't mean to sound so religious, but you know what I mean? like, what serves you?

Taylor: 27:47

Yeah, I think, absolutely, I don't regret any of it, um, I do wish that I had of maybe given myself a little bit more time, a little bit more patience throughout the beginning because yes, obviously there was a calling that I was like, I'm just gonna make it work and, you know, there's that resourcefulness that, you know, comes from, you know, being Well, that was horrific. I'm not going back to that. So I gotta make something work. Like, there's a, there's an element of that as well. And unfortunately, a lot of the time, like, the pain of staying the same has to be greater than, like, the pain of change for you to actually make a change. And so

Elizabeth: 28:22

Yes.

Taylor: 28:23

There was so many times where I was like, I can't do this, you know, I'd get off a call and, you know, with a client and they'd be like, nah, we don't want to work with you. And I would just be in tears afterward, like, obviously not on the call, like, I would cry with them, but afterwards I would be like, what's wrong with me?

Elizabeth: 28:38

we're good.

Taylor: 28:39

I'd be like, no worries, and then get off the call.

Elizabeth: 28:42

And you had all the worries.

Taylor: 28:45

yeah, and I would be like, I'm not good enough, this is never gonna work, like, the amount of, Like rejection I had to face throughout that, you know, or the amount of times I showed up and I did a live call and, or like a live call. Um, like a live video on like Instagram or whatever. And like, my hands are like shaking under the table and there's like one person on there and I'm like, I'm a total failure. Like nobody is ever going to resonate with whatever I'm doing. Like, what am I doing? I just look stupid. You know, or I would try and do like transition videos and they, like, I look back now and I'm like, cringe, like horrific. But that's one way that you know, that you're growing in a way as well. Like I can look back at that now. And go, Oh, look at where you started. Oh, my stuff is so much better now, but it's because I started back then when I was terrible at it. Like you are never going to be great. If you wait until you're perfect before you start. And I think like, that was such a huge barrier. Like that was such a huge barrier for me because I've always been like a people pleaser and a perfectionist and like, you know, high grades at school. And, you know, I always had to be the best. And. Then you get out and like the big wide world and you realize I kind of suck at a lot of things. There's so many other people who are like so much better than me at it. And sure, like I'm great at a lot of things as well, but I'm great at them now because I started when I sucked and that's okay as well.

Elizabeth: 30:13

Absolutely. 1000%. And you know, I love how you said the fear of change has got to be the fear of saying the same has got to be greater than the fear of change. And If you think, Oh no, I'm afraid of change more than that. I am almost willing to bet no, and there's just some, there's, there is power in leaning into the unknown, leaning into the what if leaning into the why not? I just lost my train of thought where I was going with this.

Taylor: 30:41

I'm going to share with you something that a friend said on my, she came on my podcast and we were talking about this exact thing. And she said, I want you to ask yourself, are you actually comfortable or are you just coping? And I was like, okay.

Elizabeth: 30:54

Oh, great. That's a

Taylor: 30:56

Sorry, what?

Elizabeth: 30:58

That

Taylor: 30:58

I was like, that's so true, right? Because a lot of the time, whatever you're doing right now, you're actually not comfortable. Like, it's, it's familiar to you, but you're not comfortable. You're just coping, and that's kind of what you've just always done. And that kind of was like, hit the nail on the head for me, and I

Elizabeth: 31:12

Yeah, my mouth

Taylor: 31:14

now every time.

Elizabeth: 31:15

like, what? Like. That is, wow, see, and that is the power of language. You put some words around that and now, boom, implode my head. So yeah, that's going to be on a post. I guarantee it. Um, I just remembered my question, or where I was going with this is, you said like you can't let the, thought that you have to have everything perfect and put together before you start. Thank you for saying that. And I just want you to know, like, I struggled with that. I think a lot of people struggle with that. Because one. It's you, you are putting yourself out there, whatever the case may be, that is vulnerable and especially because you are essentially taking a step off the course that most people are following. So all your alarms in your head are like, Mayday, what are you doing, chick? Like, where are we going with this? And then you internalize that everyone's judging you, but like who knows if someone is, but most likely they're probably not. And then on top of all that, all you see are the success stories. All you see are the people with like the successful business, the big podcast, all the followers, this and that, but, but, but you've got investors. So when you're starting at the bottom, wherever that is, whether it's like you literally don't have a single clue what your podcast is going about, or you have been prototyping a product and you're finally going to launch it. I feel like that fear is normal and natural. And, um, I've been mentoring some people lately and they've talked about like, I just can't stick with a name. I just ended up not liking it. Did it, did it. And I finally said, did you think that maybe you're just talking yourself out of it because you're afraid to start? Oh shit. I didn't think about that. And I was like, cause honestly, half the names you just told me, I really liked. And you've talked yourself out of them. That sounds like you're having imposter syndrome and it's just, it's easier to keep, keep trying before you actually do, because in your head, it's like, what if I fail? So what? If you fail, that's what we call a pivot. There is success and failure. Everyone fails. We need to normalize failing, which sounds very weird, but you know what I mean? Um,

Taylor: 33:15

like, winning all the time. Like, because you don't learn when you're, like, living your best life. Like, that's not when you're challenged. You're challenged through those hard times where you have to reflect, like, Hmm, is this actually what I really want? Oh no, it's probably not. Oh, I failed at it. Okay, yeah, you failed at this one thing, but now you're actually on your path to the thing that is actually going to be fulfilling. Did you really fail? Probably not. It's just when you're looking at it in, like, such a micro little, like, step. Like, if you zoom out and you look at, like, the grand scheme of things, no, you didn't. It's just a step, another step.

Elizabeth: 33:46

1000%. I could not agree with you more. So well said. I'm still reeling from the coping comment. Like that was

Taylor: 33:53

I knew you'd love it. I knew you'd love it. And one

Elizabeth: 33:57

that's amazing.

Taylor: 33:59

the other things that you mentioned as well is that, about like, people probably aren't judging you. That was something that, like, the fear of judgment was like such a big thing that I've really struggled with. And what I realized is actually, yeah, there are going to be a lot of people who probably will judge you. But. They're not the right people anyway. They're like, they're not the people who you're actually going to be helping. And so their judgment is actually should mean nothing about you because of the people who actually need your support or, you know, need your product, need your guidance, need your advice, whatever it is. That's like your thing that you do, your art, your poetry, your music, whatever it is, they're not the people who are going to be judging you because the people who actually need what you're doing are going to be like, where have you been all my life?

Elizabeth: 34:46

Yep.

Taylor: 34:47

And here you are, self sabotaging, talking yourself out of it, because you're like, oh, Aunt Betty might judge me for it. Come on.

Elizabeth: 34:54

This random person from high school who used to bully me because they had no self worth. Oh, they're going to make fun of my self love post. Well, that's more of a projection on them than it is me. So,

Taylor: 35:08

It's always a projection. That's something I talk about all the time, and it's something I didn't realize. Like, we all carry our own insecurities. We're all, you know carrying whatever, whatever it is. Everyone has something and if you don't deal with it yourself you're going to project it onto other people and most people who are judging you, that's what they're doing. They were too scared to follow their dreams. They're miserable and they want to tear other people down to make themselves feel better and we're not subscribing to that because we were made for so

Elizabeth: 35:42

Speak in my love language.

Taylor: 35:43

so. Hmm.

Elizabeth: 35:45

in my love language, Taylor. Yes, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I always love to say like In addition to that, you have to be your biggest fan, because if you don't have you, who's gonna have you, right? Like,

Taylor: 36:00

Yeah, well why would anybody else believe in what you're selling or what you're doing?

Elizabeth: 36:04

right, now that's not to say that there's not seasons where maybe we need support, but That still means you've got you, you know, you're getting the support that you need. So, which, you know what, that trickles back to my favorite two letter. Well, I was like two letter word, but I actually think it is two different words, but self love. Wow. I'm really showing that I'm an idiot on this episode today with you. I think I'm just like starstruck cause I'm like, this is, this is my Australian friend.

Taylor: 36:29

No, you're so fine.

Elizabeth: 36:31

I'm dead. Oh God. So, um, next question I have is, um, cause I, I am curious'cause I have an amazing mother as well and I'm so blessed and grateful to have such a cheerleader supporter. and I know that not everyone has that, but hopefully they can find a tailor or a list to help feed, you know, fill in the gaps because, you know, friends can be family too. Um, or your favorite podcasters. Just gonna throw that out there, um,

Taylor: 36:56

Ooh.

Elizabeth: 37:00

piece of advice you've ever been given? And, or, a moment in your life that changed you.

Taylor: 37:09

This is a really hard question. I feel like I've been given a lot of great advice in my time. I'm gonna go, I'll answer that question at the end. I'm gonna answer the second part first, just because I don't want to confuse everyone. Um, I'm gonna say that, and this is kind of, like, a bit deep, a bit heavy, we're gonna get vulnerable on the podcast. But,

Elizabeth: 37:28

go. I've cried on my podcast before.

Taylor: 37:30

when I was young, my, I lost my cousin who, I think I was like 20, 21. And I lost my cousin and he was only 14 at the time. And he was like the baby of our family. He had a heart condition, but none of us even knew he had, he didn't know he had. And I really struggled when we lost him because I'd never really lost anyone that had been close. Like I lost people who were, you know, old and who had lived a full life and, you know, who were sick, who, you know, you looked at them and you could say, Oh, they're in a better place. I didn't know how I could say that about my 14 year old cousin who wasn't with his family anymore. And he lived life to the fullest. And I think, like, he had a heart condition where he really shouldn't have been playing footy, he shouldn't have been, like, jumping around in the pool, going to water parks, like, all the stuff that we loved doing as kids, he shouldn't have been doing, if we had have known. And I think, In a way, when you first hear about it, you're like, Oh, well, you know, if he hadn't have done any of that, maybe he would have had longer or, you know, whatever. It's so easy to start kind of spiraling into, like, the what ifs. But he passed away peacefully in his sleep, went to sleep one night, said goodnight, love you, to his family, and just didn't wake up. And, like, that in itself is, like, so heartbreaking. But I'm so grateful That I get to experience like the grief of losing him and it's kind of the anniversary of him passing was like just a couple of weeks ago. So this is kind of why it's like heavy on my mind. Every time it rolls around, I always I'm inspired again that like, you never know when, like, is your last day on this earth. You, he could have literally dropped dead at any single moment, like him playing footy, when we were jumping on each other, like as little kids in pools on, you know, holidays, like any time running around playing backyard cricket, any one of those times, he could have literally just dropped dead right there and then. So it makes me, like, just think that you need to live every moment as if it's your last. Like, live with no regrets. Say everything, and like, follow every dream. Like, don't settle in jobs where you don't feel valued. Don't settle in relationships where it's, you know, you don't have unconditional love. Like Do, like, life is so short, literally go out there and follow every dream that you've ever had. Like, in the grand scheme of things, when I think about, like, all the things that Tom missed out on because he passed away so young, I think, am I really that scared that, like, you know, whoever from my high school's gonna care about what I post on social media? Like, no, like, it's, it puts everything into perspective. And so that has got to be, like, obviously it was heartbreaking at the time, like so much grief, so much pain of losing someone so young, but I am very much an optimist. I like to look for the silver lining. It helps me get through things, helps me wake up with a smile on my face every day. And that's got to be one of it, that now I get to live this amazing life and not for him or in honor of him, but because he showed me how precious life can be and how. how much fun he had every day. Like, I can still hear his laugh, his little red head, and he was just the best. And because of that, like, he'll always live on. So that has got to be, like, the biggest, like, turning point in my life. And I think, I guess the advice kind of goes back to that, is that you never know, like, when time is up. So, like, why Why? Like, why not you? We'll go back to that, you know?

Elizabeth: 41:15

Hmm.

Taylor: 41:16

And I think there was actually one other piece of advice that popped up, and that is, you only have to be one step ahead of somebody to, make a difference for them, to make an impact on them. So, like, we always think we always have to be so far ahead, and, you know, going back to, like, that perfectionism thing that needs to be perfect. But, like, no, you just have to be one step ahead. And whether that is, you know, you've done a little bit more mindset work than your best friend who's going through a breakup. Maybe it's that, you know, you're one step ahead in your career, or you've just started the business. Like, you just need to be one step ahead. That's it. Stop putting so much pressure on yourself. Take a deep breath. Life's too short to, like, stop making everything, like, putting so much pressure on yourself and, you know, not having fun. Life's supposed to be about having fun.

Elizabeth: 42:01

I just want to say thank you for sharing that story. I started to get emotional myself listening to you talk about it because I could just, I don't know, I could feel the weight of your words and I could feel like, I mean I can obviously see you but I can just feel the truth and like the belief behind it. And I was going to say, not for him, not in memory of him, but it's because of him.

Taylor: 42:26

Yeah, like it's for me. These aren't his

Elizabeth: 42:28

No, no, I know, but it's,

Taylor: 42:29

helped me see the bigger picture through it.

Elizabeth: 42:34

And I just think that's such a beautiful outlook. And I am going to be honest, like, I'm sitting here very inspired at the moment. cause it's not, it's not that it's, I mean, yes, girl, like I'm going to give you that. But, of course it's not like it's things I haven't, you know, thought about before or read. But to hear you say, like the way you just told that story and I'm just like, I don't know. death does change you. I mean, I've had my experience of grief, um, heavy grief when my dog passed in November. but, to unabashedly like, all in, authentically just embrace life for what it is, is the greatest freedom I think we could ever have. And your outlook on it is beautiful. And I just really appreciate you sharing that on the in between. Man, yeah, I got a little in my feels there for a moment. I was like, oop, I need to keep it together. Like, I don't need to boo hoo and make her feel awkward, but, uh, yeah, that was, that was beautiful. and yeah, for you to be so young, too, and take it, and take that as like a mantra, like his passing, but for what he stood for, essentially. At least that's how you viewed it. And, um, I think it's beautiful. And I can see how that would definitely carve your path and enable you to help others.

Taylor: 43:45

And I think like there's so much negativity in the world already. Like, I don't want to add to it. to that. Like, especially if we're speaking about like my cousin passing away, it's so easy, and a lot of my family fall into it still. And I don't blame them, you know, they lost their son, they lost their brother, they lost their, you know, grandson, you know, whatever it is. But my outlook on it is very different. Theirs is like, Oh, Tom should be here. Oh, you know, every family event, it's always like we're missing somebody because of, you know, he's not here. And it's From a place of sadness and misery, whereas, like, yes, it's sad, and there's nothing wrong with being sad. Like, I cry just as much as, you know, anybody else when I think about it. But, for me, I don't want to be dragged down on all the negatives, because he was not a negative person. He was always, you know, like I said, he was always full of life. And so, That's my way of, like, honouring him. And I think grief is such a beautiful gift in itself. It's horrible, it's heartbreaking, it's gut wrenching, but feeling it so deeply means you had an amazing connection with somebody. And not everybody gets to experience that. And so, for me, it's a gift that I get to live this life, and that's just my way of honouring him and to thank him for inspiring me in a way and like showing me the real meaning of life, you know? Like, and he only, he was only 14. So like, that's pretty powerful in itself.

Elizabeth: 45:20

Absolutely. I, just, beautiful story. And, um, I'm sure wherever here he is, his energy and his spirit is, are, he couldn't have the best, the better, the many better of a person to, to share that message. Hmm. I'm like, where do we go from here? Like, that

Taylor: 45:40

I know.

Elizabeth: 45:40

so beautiful and epic. Like, oh my

Taylor: 45:42

So heavy. Yeah.

Elizabeth: 45:47

but depth, heaviness, but beautiful. and I agree. Grief changes you 1000%. So what is next for Taylor? So you have had this beautiful. and I don't even know how many, well, you said you moved to the Europe during COVID. So like four, three, four years. So in four years you have pivoted, pivoted this boom, bap, boop, boop. And as we've already heard from the stories, like it wasn't like completely hardcore pivots where you went from construction to medical, like it was all kind of carving your path, which I like to call out. Cause I don't know for anyone starting any kind of endeavor, it's overwhelming. So it's good to hear stories. Um, so what is next? You've shifted into now this new, I don't want to say new version of you, but like you are even more elevated in like your Your belief, your confidence, and what you want to do. It's more than just business. You want to help people. It's similar to like what I'm trying to do, like help people believe in themselves, love themselves, so they can go and do the damn thing, whatever it is.

Taylor: 46:51

Yeah, I don't really have, like, a full answer for that question. And I think, like, there's two types of people in this world. Yeah, I think it's okay. There's two types of people in this world. Some people are like, yeah, I know exactly what I want and I'm gonna go after it. And I've definitely had, like, periods of that, like, going back to the uni thing. I'm gonna be a photographer. I'm gonna go to that uni. Like, it was no other path in my mind. And it was, like, there's a clear route. But for me now, I'm like, Oh, let's just get in the car. And we'll just like, see who knows where we might stop. You know, we might stop in here. And I think sometimes that can be beautiful too, because you find out things along the way that you, you wouldn't have necessarily like stopped in and checked in on and found, had you had like a clear direction in mind. And I always used to feel like there's something wrong with me. Like when I would listen to podcasts when I was first starting my business and you know, I was like, Oh, like, yeah, this sounds like a cool idea. I don't know. Like what else to do? Like. You know, I don't have like a 5 year plan, I don't have like a 10 year plan, and everyone always says like, you know, uh, if you fail to plan, you plan to fail. And I was like, yeah, uh, uh, but I don't know, like if I don't know how, how am I gonna plan for

Elizabeth: 48:03

that just made me like lose my breath. I was like, like,

Taylor: 48:08

like that gave me

Elizabeth: 48:08

I haven't heard that one.

Taylor: 48:10

Mmm. And I think, like, don't get me wrong, there's a time and place, and I do keep that in mind every now and again. Because you do need to have a plan, but You don't need to be attached to it. And what would happen is I would have a plan. I'd be like, right, well, all these experts are telling me I need to have a plan of where I want to be in, like, one year, five year, ten year, whatever. And then I would be like, I really wouldn't do that anymore. I want to try this instead. And then I would, like, guilt myself, shame myself, and be like, well, you can't stick to your own plan. Like, how are you ever gonna, like, be successful if you can't even stick to your own plan? And like, the negative voice would come in. And so, um, For me now, I've realized, and it's taken me a long time and I'm still not there, but like, it's okay to just float, like intentionally floating, don't get me wrong. But it's okay to like change your mind and to pivot and to be like, well, I want to do something else. And like, that's okay as well. so for me at the moment, I've been in that stage for like the last nine months. I pulled back all of my coaching and I'm like, well, what do I want to do? I don't know, I'm gonna keep doing my podcast because I find it's a very like, healing way for me to kind of like, talk through and be vulnerable with like, the people who listen about what I'm going through. But also, Maybe one day I want to write a book. Maybe one day I want to go and live on a farm and raise chickens. Like, I don't know what my life's going to look like in like five years, in ten

Elizabeth: 49:33

Better watch those snakes. Absolutely.

Taylor: 49:37

But, you know, like, for me, if you had asked me like five years ago, Where do you think I'll be in five years? I can tell you right now, I wouldn't have told you that I would be starting my own business, living my living, you know, in an apartment in the city, you know, having a call with you on a Friday morning at 8am. Like that's just, that was never in the cards for me. I would have said, Oh, I'm probably going to be an advertising photographer or, you know, have my own like photography business. I don't know, like, I want to travel the world. Maybe something will pop up there. And I think just being open to opportunities is the best, best type of plan that I can give myself. And so, I don't know, there's lots of things I want to do in this life, but I don't know what, what actually is going to come next. And I think that's okay. And I think giving yourself permission to not know is freeing as well.

Elizabeth: 50:25

I agree because the intention behind you, whatever, like there is intention in, in like embracing the unknown because like you said, it's float with intention. I'm not just like whatevering. I am whatevering, but like with an intention. So I, I agree. I appreciate that because the more conversation, especially for me, but I think anybody like and, and even if you don't want to start a podcast or start your own business, hearing more people talk about the unknown and embracing it and then finding success with it disbands that stigma, that fear, that coping. Yeah, that crazy ass comment that blew my mind. Like, it helps disband that. And it helps you embrace it. And then, boom, you are living your dream. And, it's not gonna happen overnight. But, blink, and then you're gonna be like, Oh shit, it did happen. Cause that's kind of what it feels like sometimes. Even though, like, in the moment, it feels like forever. But you're like, oh shit, I actually did the thing. I didn't even know where I was going with this thing, but I did the dang thing. So, yeah, I appreciate you saying all that. This has been a beautiful conversation. And you are just a beautiful soul. So I, I, and I do feel like we resonate a lot. Like, I think, I feel like we're very similar people and like we have similar mindsets and not that our stories are similar necessarily, but just in like following a dream, as cheesy as that may sound, whatever that dream is, your dream was to work for yourself and not work for a corporate world. And mine was, I want to create my dream job. Of course, I was like, I don't know for myself, but at the time, I was like terrified of that thought. I was like, I am not an entrepreneur. What the hell? I am not smart enough to be an entrepreneur. What the heck am I gonna, like, make money off of? And it's like, me, bitch. I'm gonna make money off me. Um, but anyways, ha, sorry. Turning into,

Taylor: 52:09

I love

Elizabeth: 52:09

pop album. Um, But yeah, sorry. but you have like really like fulfilled me up and I'm sure anyone listening is going to feel the same. Um, so I appreciate you embracing your unknown and sharing your cool, creative confidence, because we all need more of it. So thank you for

Taylor: 52:30

so. Thank you. Thanks. I love always chatting with you. I feel like we always have such, like, good vibes. Like, there's good energy on these calls. So, thank

Elizabeth: 52:39

Absolutely. Well, we'll have to plan one again, like this year, because, um, there's like a few guests that I would love to have back, and you're one of them, just because I love your, I just love your outlook. It just, and it's easy to talk to. Um, so, I guess, I mean, I was going to say any parting words, but I'm like, I think we're good, unless you have something to say, because like, you've dropped so many good parting words. But, uh, I'll give you the, I'll give you the floor, and then once you're finished, please tell everyone where they can find you.

Taylor: 53:07

was going to say, my parting words are, go and listen to my podcast. I feel like,

Elizabeth: 53:13

you go.

Taylor: 53:14

I feel like people have, uh, yeah. Sometimes

Elizabeth: 53:19

like my podcast, you'll like Taylor's.

Taylor: 53:21

Yeah, yeah, it's very much same vibe. I talk all about like building confidence from within so that you can transform your life on the outside. And we talk about, you know, At the start it was very much business, so you can go back and go all the way back to, you know, episode one if you really want, um, more of like business minded and confidence in business. But if you are like struggling with friendships or relationships or, you know, whatever, then season two is probably gonna be better for you. Um, and we're talking about like how to, uh, kind of reconnect to the roots of like confidence and how you can actually start to build up like your self belief. And so I feel like that's everything that we've been like speaking about today. So if you have enjoyed this episode, you yeah, come listen to mine as well. And I hope that you've taken something away from this episode. So

Elizabeth: 54:11

Oh, I have, I mean, it takes one person, right? Like I'm just saying I have 1000 percent and I'm going to go on a limb and assume everyone listening probably has to, um, and I will make sure that I tag you in all of the posts I make for this and in the show notes. So y'all go find Taylor, go, you know, go and find her. She's on the other side of the world. Good luck. Uh, but definitely find her on the internet if you can. And, um, Yeah, it might be a bit easier. Um, but, uh, thank you so much, Taylor. You are a delight, and I really appreciate you sharing your story.

Taylor: 54:45

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Elizabeth: 54:47

Awesome. Well, thank you everyone for listening. Like I said, I will be sure to, uh, put all of Taylor's information in the show notes and on the social posts and yeah, that's the way the cookie crumbles. So if you are not doing so already, if you're new here, you can follow me at Elizabeth Cheney underscore or at in dot between pod, both on Instagram and then the in between podcasts on YouTube. And until then, I will see you next week. Bye.