In-Between: Girl Talk and Choosing Yourself with Jas Jakes

We're back with another episode from the vault! Please welcome Jas Jakes to the mic. Jas is a holistic trainer and yoga instructor here in Atlanta. She's also the founder of MVMT with Jas. 

Even though this was recorded about a year ago, everything is still topical. Prepare for lots of laughter, girl talk included, dating lessons (you're going to want to take notes!), and how choosing yourself is always the answer. How do you ground yourself when you're in the middle of doing a hard thing? We unpack that in this episode. 

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Transcript

Elizabeth 0:05

Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of The In-Between. I'm your host, Elizabeth Cheney, I should say welcome back to an episode from the Vault. Uh, this episode was recorded about a year ago with my good friend, Jas Jakes. I'm super excited to release it. It is the perfect mix of giggles, laughter, and vulnerability, which as we know is my favorite sweet spot. I just wanna shout out to Jas for joining me on the in-between and sharing her story and kicking back and giggling with me. So, without further ado, I, here is Jas. Jakes on the mic. Hey, hey, hey. Welcome back to another episode. I'm your host, Elizabeth Cheney. So I've been teasing a lot of special guests recently, uh, for the InBetween, and I am so excited to have, don't tell anyone else, but like my favorite that I've had planned. Uh, miss Jas Jakes Jas Jakes boo boo. You're gonna see that we have very similar energy. Mm-hmm. So this episode's gonna be amazing. Mm-hmm. So without further incident, everybody, Mr. Jas Jakes Hello. Welcome to the InBetween. Hi.

Jas 1:15

This is crazy to be here. Uh, we've been talking about this for so long.

Elizabeth 1:19

Your life flashes for your eyes. Just for a brief moment, quite literally. I've never seen that in real time, but I literally saw like a flicker in the eye. I was like, I was like,

Jas 1:28

come back. I got you. She said, are you okay? I said,

Elizabeth 1:32

I was like, Jack, hold on. You're gonna get on the store with me. I'm coming. So this is your first podcast, right? This is

Jas 1:38

my first podcast.

Elizabeth 1:39

All right. Well give the InBetween community a little bit about you.

Jas 1:42

So I'm Jas. JAS That's how I like say it if I'm, if I'm in the club and they're like, what's your name, shoddy? I'm like, Jas. JASI like whispered in their ear. Ooh. It doesn't, don't know how, I don't know how smooth it goes. Oh, I bet

Elizabeth 1:56

that's, they usually are like, what? Because she's whispering in a club. Yeah. Yes. Like, what, what? You like a

Jas 2:09

cute sly? I'm being flirty. It's like, really? You're just, and this one I'm like, like spinning in his ear. Oh shit. So that's my, that's my game.

Elizabeth 2:20

Okay.

Jas 2:20

Um, Jess? Yeah. yeah, I am a yoga instructor in Atlanta, a holistic trainer. It took me so long to figure out like what I wanted to call myself. Yeah. Like creating my business and yoga instructor, holistic trainer, because I think about how fitness is the, avenue to like mindfulness. Mindfulness is just what I wanna preach about and letting all your actions feel good in your body and your thoughts and all your work. So

Elizabeth 2:49

I could use that. Yeah. Often. That's my What about your entrepreneurial endeavor? So she's more than just an instructor. She's also a. Oh,

Jas 3:02

you say it after me. Where's the cue card

Elizabeth 3:11

sounded out. I promise this episode's gonna be serious.

Jas 3:19

I'm a business owner. That's crazy. Do you remember the other day? I was like, that's why I was Read my mind. Read my Mind. Also a business owner.

Elizabeth 3:30

Okay, so we have fun.

Jas 3:32

Yeah. I'm also a business owner. Yes. Um, second year. Yes. It was kind of like, I, I don't wanna say a fluke'cause everything happens for a reason, but I had a, a old client from a studio I was at, reach out to me years later and she was like, Hey. Do you do talks for, um, like corporations and, and people about why movement is good for the mind why movement is helpful for the body in your everyday life. And I said, that's so cool. Now I do. That's what's up. And she was like, okay, but you needed LLC because she works at a hospital And then I was like, oh, okay. I said, got it. Yeah. And that's like how movement was born. Literally. It was already like a, a thought. Yeah. Like years before and then she was like, okay, well I need you to have your LLC. That is so exciting. Yeah.

Elizabeth 4:21

So how me and Ja met, she used to teach at a kickboxing studio. Mm-hmm. And it was my first really intense workout since my separation. This angel was the instructor and as you can already see, her energy is like in incredible. And so you obviously know why I was like a magnet moth to a flame. I was like, I have to know her seriously. And anyw who she created such a safe space, yes. But it's like you gave me permission just to let it out. Anyways, go up to her. And I was like, Hey, I just wanna say this was a great class. I just recently got divorced and I didn't realize how much I needed this. And your response was, my divorce was final a few months prior to this. Mm-hmm. And I, I remember, I don't think I cried. But I remember immediately I felt tears in my eyes. Mm-hmm. And I was like, can I hug you? Yeah. I just met you. I honestly

Jas 5:10

feel like I asked you that. Like in my mind the story goes that I asked you that because I remember when you told me that I felt like in my belly, in my chest, just like. Ooh. Like that little fairy I was was talking about.

Elizabeth 5:24

So little fairy follows Jas. Little. I follow the ferry. Excuse us. We

Jas 5:28

follow the ferry. We follow the ferry. Yes. Um, she takes us and my friends have my location. They know where I'm at. Same, same. That's good. Yes. Um, and I just felt like, Ooh, I have to share. And I felt like maybe during that time I was kind of learning and having to discern like how much I was sharing with every individual I meet immediately. Yeah. But I was like, oh my God, she told me this. And this is not something that people normally say right off the bat. And I, story, story not my life, because it's me,

Elizabeth 6:01

a memoir because

Jas 6:02

it's me. And I go vulnerability. Like I want her, I want her to know that I also share this. I share this life and this love and so much with her. And I just, yeah. I feel like in my mind I'm like, can I hug you? We were gonna hug between. Yeah. We were gonna

Elizabeth 6:17

have a, yeah, we, and the friend that I went with was just like, you just really put yourself out there, huh? And I'm like, that's one way to put it. I

Jas 6:23

sure she was so nice, but I don't remember her because I only remember

Elizabeth 6:26

you. But you know what? Putting yourself out there creates incredible bonds, incredible friendships, that just put your life ahead. Mm-hmm. I'm glad you kicked my ass that day. Really? And you were like, good form. And I was like, yeah, yeah, girl, she outta good form. I know I'm doing something. I said

Jas 6:41

she had some shit to get out. I was literally shaking. I get it

Elizabeth 6:46

for like three days. I get it.

Jas 6:47

I mean, my, my first class after, I don't know if it was like after I made a decision I need to leave. I don't know. Um, but the noises that came out of my mouth when I was hitting the bag in that class, I was like crying. I, yeah. I, yeah. Yeah. I said to like, like shook it off lay, you know, like in the corner. But I was like, oh my God, I needed this. Yeah. This Energy to come outta me. Yeah. Yeah. So,

Elizabeth 7:07

so that's basically, that's not, basically that is how that is. We met and then we just slowly have, connected on Instagram and then you started doing yoga classes with movement with Jas. Mm-hmm. At the supermarket. And I was like, oh, I gotta go support and because I, I really liked you and I feel like we've just really gotten closer. And then also her birthday is the day before mine. That's crazy. That's crazy. Crazy.

Jas 7:28

And we like pretty recently figured this out though. Yes. Like, yep. Like a few weeks before our birthdays. Mm-hmm. You know, I was like,

Elizabeth 7:36

you're tourist winters your birthday.

Jas 7:37

I think you said some, you said your birthday is like May 14th. Yes. Because you maybe, and then I just remember I gave such an awkward answer because I could not, not just deadpan at me because I, because I was like,

Elizabeth 7:49

that's

Jas 7:49

exactly what you were, you were like, what is your birthday? And I go the day before yous That is actually exactly how you look. It clearly as that, because I couldn't fathom that. You're, because I know what you're about to say. I was like the actual day after mine. I said

Elizabeth 8:03

the actual day after yours. It was meant to be. It was meant to be. It was. I was as Jas was staying in the club. It's meant to be meant. She got. She thinks she's so mysterious, but yeah, they're just like, girl, you okay? Another story of my life.

Jas 8:24

Oh shit. I was literally, last time I was in the club, there was this cute boy that we were hanging out with all night. And as soon as we get into Mjq, he goes, bitch, you are sweating.

Elizabeth 8:36

Shut up. That's so funny. And then

Jas 8:39

we say, MJQ is hot as fuck. Hot as

Elizabeth 8:41

fuck. Wait, can we go together? Yes. That's where I met the

Jas 8:44

23-year-old, but I good because Good. As you should. I'm literally, oh spoiler. I literal only wearing a bikini there next

Elizabeth 8:51

time. I was sweating so bad. Honestly, I feel like there was some, some girls in there wearing, wearing that basically. Basically they were like in

Jas 9:01

boy shorts and a bikini

Elizabeth 9:02

top basically. And I was like, okay, I missed the memo. Yeah. I

Jas 9:04

mean, I don't know what, I need a trench coat for underground before, you know, to get down there with the rats. But

Elizabeth 9:10

rats, literally and figuratively,

Jas 9:11

literally one of my first times going down there with, since it's been like, hmm. Um, we had to get down a bunch of stairs and literally ran through rats. Ew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's how I was like, wow.

Elizabeth 9:24

This is Atlanta. This is, that was a very Atlanta night for me. Mm-hmm. Went MJQ, it was Southern Hospitality Night. Ooh, what a great night. Oh yeah. No, it was, it was amazing. And then ended up in East Atlanta Village, closed down Banshee. Wow. And then, you know, the street vendors, like the street food out there. Yeah. I ate a hamburger, beans and mac and cheese

Jas 9:42

At the end of your night. The end of my

Elizabeth 9:42

night. At

Jas 9:43

the end of your night.

Elizabeth 9:43

Dancing. Having a blast. People were hyping me up. They were like, fuck that guy. His loss.

Jas 9:49

You, you really need other people to say fuck that guy

Elizabeth 9:52

Right.

Jas 9:53

In order for you to be like, oh yeah, fuck him. Yeah. I'm like, he sucks. She recognizes me like, yeah, yeah. She don't even know what happened.

Elizabeth 9:59

But we're healing. We're healing, we're getting through it, we're healing. We're getting our booty on it. Our booty on getting our booties, bouncing at Mjq. Absolutely. Sweating our balls off. Absolutely. And whispering. Spinning in boy's ears and then meeting 23 year olds and you're like, oh god. It did not realize you were 23. We're at that age now. Yeah, no, that's like,

Jas 10:17

that happened to me at Pisces and I said, oh fuck.

Elizabeth 10:20

Early to mid thirties. Yeah. Watch out ladies. Like you're either talking to a 24-year-old or potentially 47. So there it is a spectrum. Lord.

Jas 10:31

Potentially

Elizabeth 10:31

it is a spectrum, but also no guy's your age because they're all emotionally No. Yeah. Unavailable.

Jas 10:37

Yes. Below or above. I'm having fun. It's fun. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm, I am having fun. I'm having a lot of fun and. If that's not the name of the game right now Yeah. Then I don't know what else is, you know? Yeah. And I'm learning a lot and I'm, yes. Learning

Elizabeth 10:53

so much about myself,

Jas 10:54

trying not to take any of the shit that they have personally.

Elizabeth 10:59

I'm still working on that. Yeah. But I'll get there. Trying, yeah. Trying, putting myself out there. Trying is a

Jas 11:04

big word. Capital. T-E-R-Y-I-N-G-T-Y-I-N-G.

Elizabeth 11:09

I don't think I spelled ate. No. I was just being stupid. what I, I don't gonna say I'm struggling with, but I'm, navigating is being open to potentially something. Yeah. If I'm gonna navigate that, how do I protect my heart mm-hmm. And it's like, well then you kind of have that conversation early on, so what are your intentions? Mm-hmm. But then some homeboys are like, woo, that means she wants to get married. It's way too soon. I just wanna know if my heart needs to be like, okay, patience, easy ride, or like,

Jas 11:33

but it's almost like, sometimes I will, I don't wanna like say dangle the carrot of that conversation, but I will do like a little bit of like, Hmm, I just want you to know that I do like you. I'm not looking for a boyfriend right now, or I'm not expecting you to be my boyfriend, but I just do wanna let you know that you can respond. You don't have to respond. I'm not expecting you to respond. And I think from their response,

Elizabeth 11:56

that gives you your sign, that gives

Jas 11:57

you what you need to know. Okay. That gives you data. That gives you data to know like, oh, okay, your silence is. Deafening or crazy that you just basically said no to me.

Elizabeth 12:12

She said deafening, but I, but yeah, you just said it's like, wait, I need to channel that you just said no to me. That's crazy. Have you met me? That's crazy.

Jas 12:25

That's crazy. Crazy, crazy.

Elizabeth 12:30

Wait, I'm taking that. Yeah, no, I love that. I mean,

Jas 12:33

it's like, okay, so you might wanna still Kiki and like flirt with me and all the stuff and like all that'll be cute. But like right when I told you that, I was feeling something more than just like us texting back and forth and you didn't. Immediately reciprocate that. Yeah. I'm just, I'm, I'm great. That's just good to know. Right? That's good to know because oh my God, that's genius. I don't want anybody who's not immediately gonna say yes to me. Right. Or who's not like, enthralled with me like that. And yes. Doesn't

Elizabeth 12:59

mean serious, like we're jumping down the aisle tomorrow, but it's just, but I don't want to say on the same page,

Jas 13:03

somebody says, sure. I don't want somebody to say Sure. To me. Ew. We're not sure people, I mama didn't raise. No. Sure. Do you see this scarf? I, I mean, do you see these lashes? Lasher? I have an affiliate link code. Wait, shut up. Yeah. No lash. No, literally. Look at that. I just teach her

Elizabeth 13:21

Lash. What's your affiliate? Oh, if you want her affiliate code. We'll, we'll, we'll exchange social media we'll at the end, but Yes. Yes. It Link Tree, um, she's got a link tree. Told you she was a big deal.

Jas 13:31

Lash of Eyes changed my life. Yeah. No, it's, it's, I, I, I cannot settle for sure.

Elizabeth 13:36

Yeah.

Jas 13:37

You know,

Elizabeth 13:37

I love that. Well, you're saying no to me. That's gonna probably help my ego so much.

Jas 13:43

And it's like, you gotta, like, I I, I really credit one of the studios I was at, um, early on in my like career is they had these pillars of, and they still do every employee should embody. Mm-hmm. And one of'em was humbly confident. Ooh. And it was like, it's okay to own your shit. Be humble about it. Right. You know? Right. So I'm not saying that to him. Right. But I like know my shit.

Elizabeth 14:05

You, you, you know what you bring to the table. Yeah. And not just like in skills or, but it's like also your energy. Yeah. I think that's so important. Yeah. I love that.

Jas 14:13

And it's, I'm

Elizabeth 14:14

stealing

Jas 14:14

it. It's really like, I don't know. That conversation that you were like we were just having about. When clients from other studios like see me out in the streets and I'm like, oh my God, please come up and say hi to me and I don't even wanna say like, please come say hi to me. But I'm like, she's saying please come say to me, I am, I am. If you see her, I wanna make sure you say, give her a hug. Give me a hug, gimme a forehead, kiss. Oh. Because I would love, I don't have enough. Nobody have enough. We, we

Elizabeth 14:37

need more forehead kisses. We, and

Jas 14:39

nobody gets enough. Yeah. Like you always can get more

Elizabeth 14:42

Wait.

Jas 14:42

Always can get more.

Elizabeth 14:43

PSA, if anyone wants to give me a forehead kiss, I'm down. Oh my God. That just made my belly turn. Stop happy, then make you so happy. It's just like, like made me squeeze my buttes a little bit too. I was like,

Jas 15:02

wow. Yes. And you just need to feel that I'm a care bear. Like, you know, give a grown ass man a, a. So it was so beautiful.

Elizabeth 15:12

Right? Wow. Even giving was like, it's just so, it's an intimate, that little, like if I was like a little duck, I would shake my tail

Jas 15:20

like my neck

Elizabeth 15:21

while we're having a moment. But anyways, someone sees

Jas 15:25

you out there and I, am, uh, as you say, feral when I'm outside as one would say, okay. And so I am everywhere, right? I'm going, I just love, I'm like a little butterfly. I'm like a little, I'm following that butterfly. I'm the same like yeah. That butterfly is going everywhere. Yeah. And, a little a DHD, but you know, we're the same fucking person. That's where I get to thrive in it. Right? Yeah. That's why I let, let just get it, let it go free. Yeah. And I love that. So if you see me pull me and be like, Hey girl. And just I and I, I love that. And I had an experience like that at Astoria for my birthday the other day. And, a client from one of the studios I was working at, she was like, I was so nervous to come see you and her friend partner maybe, um, was like, yeah, no, we had to have a little conversation, be like, no, if you don't go talk to Jas, like go say hi. And I was like, wait, no, like, please. Uh, because it was one of our first times having a real conversation outside of like, trainer client in the studio, good form this, that, this, that. Yeah. And it's like, above all, my community is what makes me feel like I I can believe in myself. So it's like I feel selfish that I wanna collect a community like Tamagotchi, but I just like Tamagotchi just like want my friends to be like, I just, I love, love and mm-hmm. If anything I've learned in the last two years of being a single woman, is that. I have received more love from my friends and these people that like, I know, see me, hear me, I feel valued by than my ex that I was with for like 11 years. And so, people say that I give that back. So it's like, I just want, I wanna keep that going with as much as possible. And people I'm friends with are some of the best people I know. And so it's like, okay, I want my friends to be your friends and your friends to be my friends. And like, just

Elizabeth 17:06

like, like keep it going. You know? That was my birthday. I was like, I need you to meet my people too. And now

Jas 17:09

I felt that and I loved that about your birthday. And it's like, if you see me, grab me.

Elizabeth 17:14

Yeah.

Jas 17:15

Let's love on each other.

Elizabeth 17:17

Forehead kisses. Forehead kisses. Unless you're creeping, get the fuck away. Don't, just don't, don't.

Jas 17:22

I also have learned that in this group of friends that I have that I adore, we all met in yoga teacher training. I am the muscle.

Elizabeth 17:29

Okay?

Jas 17:30

We're like out and about and. I'm at the front of the group.'cause I'm also sometimes the responsible one. Yeah. Which feels a little crazy.

Elizabeth 17:39

She's a business owner. Y'all wrote that

Jas 17:40

in there. Responsible. And so I'm leading the group and then I see some homeboys in the back and then I say, mm-hmm y'all, y'all three go in front of me. And then I am just like boxing them out, boxing them out. I just, I don't know if it's the ass, I don't know if it's the arms, I don't know if it's the death stare or just like my way that I like don't have to speak sometimes and can communicate, get the fuck away from us. Yeah. But

Elizabeth 18:04

your energy speaks for you.

Jas 18:05

Yeah. I really, I really try and I really feel honored to carry that role.

Elizabeth 18:09

It's so funny you say muscle. My first thought was, wow, you're so soft. Like, your energy is so soft. Like that's, that's, that's a talent. Yeah. I like to think that like, that's the kind of commanding energy. Yeah. But you're still you. But it's all Yeah.

Jas 18:20

Yeah. Yeah. It's like mm-hmm. I, oh, I feel like you have, I have friends that

Elizabeth 18:23

call me a

Jas 18:23

bulldog. Yeah. No, I'm like little on me. Could literally see.

Elizabeth 18:27

I'll fuck you up.

Jas 18:28

No, seriously. Fuck. My mom used to, um, when she would get mad at us, she would talk at us with closed teeth. Funeral. Funeral in the, and so it's like I'd channel a little bit of that.

Elizabeth 18:44

Yep.

Jas 18:45

Yep. A little bit of that. Thank you Ronnie. Juicy J

Elizabeth 18:47

Thank you. Juicy J Love her. Ronnie. Juicy J love her. My mom just raises her voice and like, she never raises her voice, so it's almost, it's very triggering. I'm Ooh, good. And she'd be like, Elizabeth, and I'm like, oh,

Jas 19:00

yes. You've heard that so many times. You had that, that that pitch.

Elizabeth 19:04

Whoa, okay. Mom raised her voice. She's not nice anymore. Hey Cindy, what do you need? Whoa. Sorry. Whoa. Yeah, no, my mom is awesome. Uh, she was a single mom, she was also handicapped, so it was just an interesting dynamic. Yeah. But she's definitely one of my best friends, and also my mother.'cause I know sometimes that they say, it's weird to have, like, your mother's your best friend. Not, I don't know who they are, but you know what I mean. No, they, but it's like, even though we're super close Yeah. She's still my mother. Yeah. For no, for like that respect is still there. Like, She's still my mom. Yeah. She'll still check me and I'm like, I'm 30. Yeah. Yeah. And then she's like, and I'm like,

Jas 19:36

I got it. Sorry. Like just the, like the, the fear. Yeah. She just has to look at you. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, I feel like my mother is never called her. My mother, my mom, her mother Rhonda. I call her Rhonda, my girl. Um, she's my girl.

Elizabeth 19:52

Yeah.

Jas 19:52

But she's my mom. Right. But she is who I'm gonna call. Right. When she's always gonna

Elizabeth 19:56

have our back. Like when our back, Rhonda got my back too. Girl. R

Jas 19:59

she will,

Elizabeth 20:00

Cindy will have yours too. Absolutely. Thank you. Cindy is a sweetie pie.

Jas 20:03

Um, love our moms. Right. Uh, but it's like every time I, like during 2023, there was a bit of a safety issue with my ex. And every time I would feel unsafe, my mom calling my mom. Yeah. Or like, when I would not be trusting my decision or there was something where I was like, Hmm, I think I can do this. And she would be like, okay, are you, are you sure? Like she would. She was there to listen, but she was also there to provide that motherly. I don't know if advice or just like, Hey, I'm stepping, in here. Mm-hmm. Protection almost. Yeah. I listen, but I wanna wanna let you know I'm sensing something. Yeah. So I'm gonna ask you something. And so I I really appreciate that, that relationship and the fact that like, not everybody has that. Yeah. So it's like, I agree. I was like, she's not, she's not like Besty, besty, besty bestie. Right. But she's like, my girl's my bestie.'cause I can know, I can tell her anything and that she's gonna support and no 1000%,

Elizabeth 20:53

and that's such a nice, or such a, not just nice, but peaceful. Yeah. Uh, yeah. No, it's like I tell my mom anything. Yeah. She drove up a few times to just kind of, yeah, because can I just, I'm a little nervous about the conversation that's about to happen. Yeah. Do you mind just like. Parking outside the house and being there in case I send you the code word. Yes. And it's like yeah. And no questions asked. Mm-hmm. And I remember one night in particular. She was out there for like, I don't know, five and a half hours. Like, she like camped out for me

Jas 21:20

moms.

Elizabeth 21:21

Yeah, I know. Oof. I, I'm so lucky. I always say like, when I do have children, I hope I'm like a third of the mom that she Yes, yes. Is my

Jas 21:29

mom was such a good mom. Yeah. I feel like my aunts would tell my mom like, yeah, you just got the best kids. And I'm like, it's her. That's a testament.

Elizabeth 21:36

That's her. Yeah.

Jas 21:37

So just a testament to that, that girl,

Elizabeth 21:39

she taught me self love before I even knew what it was. Yeah, no, for

Jas 21:41

sure.

Elizabeth 21:42

Yeah. Oh

Jas 21:43

man, mom, love you

Elizabeth 21:44

guys.

Jas 21:45

How did we so much get there? Lemme send that to my mom. Cut that. Cut that.

Elizabeth 21:50

We're sweating in Mjq and now we're like, mommy, mommy, I've got

Jas 21:53

siblings to try to be out for the favorite, favorite child of the world. So let me send that to my mom. She's

Elizabeth 21:57

already like meters away. Like, you got this, you're definitely, you

Jas 22:01

have to

Elizabeth 22:01

meet my siblings.

Jas 22:02

They're, she's got a son. Uh huh Out of two daughters, she's got a son, which, oh, a mother. Mother and son bond. They talk on the phone for hours sometimes, and I'm like, Hmm. They don't live in the same state. And so I'm like, Hmm, let me just

Elizabeth 22:15

get in there.

Jas 22:15

Yeah. And then my sister, is

Elizabeth 22:18

she older or younger?

Jas 22:19

She's older. She's the best. She went to like Northwestern on a full ride. Oh sure. For academic and, athletic. Oh, wow. Played soccer. Yeah. Yeah. Played, professional soccer works for Atlanta United. I'll give her you her, um, Wikipedia page if you want. But she's got Wikipedia. She's legitimate.'cause she has one. Because she has one.

Elizabeth 22:38

That's insane.

Jas 22:39

And so who, that's nuts. I'm the funny one.

Elizabeth 22:42

She's the one with the fairing. I'm dead. Oh God,

Jas 22:51

no. Your roles? No, your roles. No your place.

Elizabeth 22:55

Alright, so I'm the black sheep, blah blah. Black sheep. No, no,

Jas 22:59

but she also, my mom says I'm also the one that's most like her.

Elizabeth 23:03

Yeah.

Jas 23:03

So it's very fun. Yeah. It's a fun dynamic that we had. That we had. Sounds interesting. Yeah, it's very fun. We like went on a vacation to Savannah a few weekends ago and it was our first like family trip with the four of us as a unit all together in like 12 years. Oh wow. So it was like I'm the youngest 31, just seeing how we are and the dynamics, it's like, wow, this is the same because we're all the same people, but I can see and I can name that this is what's happening with all of us and that like these are our rules and it's like cohesive and it's, this is us family. This is the work that we've done to like make sure that we are a loving, healthy family.

Elizabeth 23:39

I love that. I'm an only child and that's one thing I've always. I don't wanna say missed out on, I mean,'cause obviously I did, I'm an only child, I always wanted to have a sibling. But you also have your chosen family, have your chosen and I'm very big on like, the people I'm super close with. I'm like, you're like a sister. Yeah. Yeah. That's just kind of how I approach things. Yes. Same,

Jas 23:56

same, same. Same. Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth 23:57

Forehead kiss. Oh my goodness. Alright. So we just like, you know, said I love you to our mothers. Um, but, you know, cut this for next Mother's day. No, we will, because No, that's a great idea. Yeah, that's a great idea. I need do that. Seriously. I need her. Well, my mom listens to this. She's gonna be beaming. She's gonna be like, Ugh. Oh my gosh.

Jas 24:16

Artie. Keep a little bit. Love moming. My mom on. I'm serious about trying to, you know, move up a little, I know I won't ever be the favorite child for a long time. Like I won't be able to hold it. I'm, I don't sustain things. She said, I'll get it and then I'll just fall back down. Yeah. And I'll, but I think I can kiss the spot a few times. I can. And so every now and then I'll see, um, a reel that's like this girl reading a deep poem about, mom, I see you when you were me and dah, dah, dah. And I've sent things like that to my mom.'cause now that she's learning how to work Instagram, where to go. Rhonda, Rhonda, um, really proud of you girl. And, uh, she'll be like, oh my girl, God girl. That made me cry. And I said, got her.

Elizabeth 25:07

Your mom And I have that in common. I like any real or post, I'm like, I feel seen tear. I'm like, why does the internet just get me? It's like, oh, the algorithm. It's algorithm.

Jas 25:17

And I'm, I'm really working it hard so I can keep sliding those in. Gosh, it can't be too many, but. Sliding very

Elizabeth 25:22

much like you are gonna reach the stars. Yeah. And your dreams are gonna come true. And I'm like, it's a sign. I needed that. But really it's algorithm. Exactly. Because you've

Jas 25:30

liked all the videos. Yeah. All this woo woo shit.

Elizabeth 25:33

Like, do I talk about the universe too much? So, yeah. About that. My

Jas 25:37

crystal showing what you're big three.

Elizabeth 25:41

Not that I, if you were to be like Taurus, Sagittarius, Virgo. I'd be like, I don't know what the fuck that means, but I can tell you everything about myself.

Jas 25:49

Yeah. I feel like when other people tell me they're big three, if one of them are mine. Then I'm like, oh yeah. I'm like, yeah, I know. But if they're just saying like a Sagittarius cancer, Pisces, I'm like, oh my God. Uh, no, I'm serious. Knowing absolutely nothing. Yeah. No. About any of their signs. I'm with you. I just know my big three. I'm

Elizabeth 26:09

a triple taurist.

Jas 26:09

So you are, I'm very That's, you are stunt. You are. I'm very

Elizabeth 26:12

stunted. And some, and people like, oh, I'm a Scorpio Moon Capricorn, Pisces. And I'm like, blank, blank. No

Jas 26:20

new friends. No new friends. What does that mean? You don't need nothing. That's amazing. I mean, I'm to say mine a, I'm a Taurus sun, a Gemini moon in a Leo rising. So I take my Leo rising as I present so extroverted. Mm-hmm. And like so fiery. Yeah. But the Gemini Moon. That I take as covering more of your emotions as I'm like, oh, I'm a deeply emotional person. And deeply in touch with some of those emotions. And then Taurus being the calm, you know,

Elizabeth 26:53

I, I, I'm all Taurus, so I don't even know. Yes. It's like grounded as

Jas 26:58

fuck is grounded,

Elizabeth 26:59

strong, grounding.

Jas 27:00

Strong, if you wanna say stubborn,

Elizabeth 27:02

stubborn, independent. Like, if there's someone who's gonna make their dreams a reality, I feel like it's gonna be a Taurus, you know? Yeah. You

Jas 27:08

know, so,

Elizabeth 27:08

and also the Taurus will be the one to believe in said dreams. Yeah. It's like we're so grounded in who we are. It's like, well, why not me?

Jas 27:14

Yeah. Yeah. Why can't I do that?

Elizabeth 27:16

My favorite thing to say is, well, I'd bet on myself.'cause if I'm not gonna bet on me, who will? Who?

Jas 27:20

Who will?

Elizabeth 27:21

Who will, who will?

Jas 27:22

Mm.

Elizabeth 27:23

Yeah.

Jas 27:23

Right. Yeah. And that's something I feel like I've tried to lean into a little bit more with being single because I leaned on my ex so much, and I don't think that's, there's anything wrong with that, but. To be with him my entire twenties. Yeah. Like such a developmental age, obviously, and lean on him so much to where codependency obviously was there and I was just so scared of can I even make it without having this sounding board, without having this mm-hmm. You know, to lean on. And so it's like, oh wait, I can bet on myself.

Elizabeth 27:55

Mm-hmm. And it

Jas 27:56

will work out.

Elizabeth 27:56

Yeah.

Jas 27:57

And it might not be exactly how I thought it would be, but it will work itself out.

Elizabeth 28:02

Yep.

Jas 28:02

Especially when I'm actively, confidently, intuitively betting on myself.

Elizabeth 28:06

Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

Jas 28:08

Learning a lot.

Elizabeth 28:09

I love that. Learning

Jas 28:10

a lot.

Elizabeth 28:11

So the dating world is interesting.

Jas 28:13

I mean, I'm, I'm keeps me on my toes. It keeps me on my toes. I'm not gonna say I hate it.

Elizabeth 28:18

Yeah.

Jas 28:18

It's, I'm gonna say it's trash.

Elizabeth 28:20

I'm gonna say I'm learning a lot about myself. I'm learning a lot. And people. And

Jas 28:24

people.

Elizabeth 28:24

And boundaries. And boundaries

Jas 28:26

and what those that represent and how, you know, how to say'em, how to scream'em, how to kick'em in people's faces and how to just block people, but

Elizabeth 28:32

also healing. Healing because it's like healing all the wounds from the previous relationship. Mm-hmm. And being like, okay, okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then realizing, oh, wow. It's a renaissance.

Jas 28:41

Yeah. I feel like I, I mean, I've said this already, I like just getting reps in and then it's not even amount of, she said reps, it's not even like amount of quantity.

Elizabeth 28:50

Yeah.

Jas 28:50

But the quality of just like, i've never been courted like this. Right?. And even when it's like not a great experience, it's like, okay, I've never had that learning, taking note, pivoting, maybe taking a pause.

Elizabeth 29:05

Okay.

Jas 29:07

Maybe reporting some of those profiles and then redirecting and being like, okay, okay, okay. Maybe I am a little hesitant, but I am learning from my last experience that I want this to be. Said, and I want this to be, known about myself. I mean, you, we were saying it earlier, like known about myself, like, before we get too into this. Right. You know, like, I want you to know that like, I want you to take me on dates. I want you to like Right. Have respect for me and be aware of like my time and that like my, I don't have a lot of time. You know, Please just respect my time and I'll respect yours.

Elizabeth 29:42

I'm gonna work on that. I took some notes from Jas earlier well, first off, I love the whole, you're saying no to me. That's like my new mantra, you know,'cause there's so much dialogue on dating, especially dating in your thirties But. You do need to protect your heart.'cause we've established, we're lover girls. We are. Mm-hmm. I have shrunk that for way too long. Mm-hmm. And now it's like, oh no, she's there. But also it's so scary'cause I've conditioned myself to think I don't need this and I'm not like this, you know, I don't need this and I don't like this. That's crazy. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. I love this, I love this and I have to have this.

Jas 30:13

So it's actually how I function.

Elizabeth 30:17

Yeah.

Jas 30:19

That's literally how I function.

Elizabeth 30:22

Yes. Tell me. I'm pretty, I actually do like that.

Jas 30:25

I feel like I met, uh, this guy at like El Malo once the last bad Sunday. And he asked me something and I just was like, I'm gonna be radically honest with you. Uh, I like attention. And he was like, what do I do with that? And I said. Give it to me. I should have said that. What do you mean what I do with that? Shoulda said that. I'm just literally home run for you right now. I don't know. What else other information you need. You my dog. She needs a new daddy. Yeah. So, um,

Elizabeth 31:10

P-S-A-P-S-A. This is Jas' dating profile. She's looking

Jas 31:13

for a new dog. Looking

Elizabeth 31:14

for a new dog. Dad. My

Jas 31:15

two dog dads, I got two of them. They're bad, but they could use a father figure. Oh my gosh.

Elizabeth 31:25

So funny. Yes. You know, um, so what did you say to the attention? I don't know.

Jas 31:30

She went, Jas. Because the music was so loud, he probably didn't really hear what he said. Anyway,

Elizabeth 31:39

she was like, I don't know. Yeah.

Jas 31:42

Thumbs up. I just smiled and laughed and threw peace. Sign. It runs away. Yeah. That's my go-to. Yeah. That's it. That's essentially how that interaction ended is that I like, yeah. I was like, oh, he went to go get me a drink. Perfect time right away. Let me leave.

Elizabeth 31:55

Unless yeah, I should have waited. I, I had peeped

Jas 31:57

at him and I saw that he, he was just standing there, so I said, I'm tired. Yeah. It was in interaction that I said maybe, and then quickly was like, no. Yeah. And I'm happy to. Have learned it's okay for me to kind of get my hopes up a little bit or be excited about something. Yeah. And, just celebrate that I got excited and Ooh, I like that. Yeah. Like not have expectations that that excitement needs to necessarily lead to anything.

Elizabeth 32:21

I like that approach. I think we talked about this, you can kind of sift out either by vibes energy or just literally what they say and like small actions, what someone's about. Yeah. Like, this guy is totally a player. Yeah. You know, et cetera, et cetera. But when you do have those connections where it's like, wait. Funny senses are not going off yet. That doesn't mean I'm in love with you, but it means I am interested. Yeah. In like another date ooh. And sometimes those still don't even work out. Yeah. They don't pan out. Yeah. You know? It's not a full proof way to decide. I will say that. Yeah.

Jas 32:50

It's not, it's not work yet. Doesn't work yet. It hasn't worked yet. Yeah. Actively did not work the first time.

Elizabeth 32:57

We're still testing it out. For sure. Trial. Trial. And we might always be in trial mode. Trial definitely. But that's okay. You know, Uber. But with that said, being excited, I almost said grateful, but yeah. Be grateful, excited for the excitement. Mm-hmm. And not feeling, it's not guilty, but the excitement happens, it doesn't go past a second date, it just doesn't work out. At least I'm learning. Like sometimes I'll feel I don't wanna say shame'cause that's so dramatic, but it's like, no, absolutely Liz, you lover girl. Like, but you should have

Jas 33:23

known, be realistic. There you go. Yes. And it's like, but that's okay for me to, it's okay for you. I wanna be excited. Have been excited because I was showing interest in you, and you were showing interest in me and this felt really good. Yeah. And it's okay that like, that

Elizabeth 33:35

felt really good. Right. And all of those little moments, I think heal the lover girl in me. Yeah. I like that a lot. Actually, I'm gonna have to remind myself of that because I'm also all about the inner dialogue in your head. Yeah. And like how you talk to yourself really matters. It's plays such

Jas 33:48

a big part in how you receive and Ooh, I'm so sorry. How you receive and how you give and what you, yeah. And like what you're open to is. I feel like my internal dialogue has shifted so much. Mm-hmm. And I mean, I, I'm just excited about how much more it can shift and how much nicer I can get to myself. Yeah. because for real it's like, it's actually okay. Mm-hmm. It's okay. Like I tell myself actually it's okay. A lot more than I used to. Yeah. Because this anxiety, girly it's, I mean, my anxiety can take over so much sometimes. And so just the fear of overthinking and fear of everything constantly will overwhelm me. Yeah. but learning how to be like, it's okay. Right. And these like little moments of I don't wanna say like reclaiming well yourself love or like, whatever, but like, of being like, oh, you're saying no to me. Right. And like owning it and being like, oh yeah, that's actually okay that I'm saying that. And again, it's not like fuck you. But it's just like,

Elizabeth 34:41

oh, no. Like recognize my specialness, my uniqueness. Yeah. And you're missing out. Right. For having shrunk myself for so long. Yeah. I refuse. I refuse. And I'm not gonna become jaded. Yeah. Because I believe in love. Yeah. I love love. like, love is in every place in my life. Yeah. And it's like, okay, I wanna feel everything, the good, the bad, the messy.

Jas 35:00

Yeah.

Elizabeth 35:01

Even if I have to find my flow with, all right. Boomerang it back, you know, I, I won't ever go back. No, no, I won't. No. I don't think, knock, knock on wood somewhere, but I don't think there's. Any number of bad experiences.'cause you learn as they come, it's just you heal, you work on it. Yeah. Whatever. I don't see myself becoming jaded because. To me that's letting that negative energy win. Yeah. Yes. No, absolutely. You know, and it's in a way like you are shrinking yourself. Yeah. So no, no to shrinking and yes to embracing that you're lover girl.

Jas 35:30

Yeah.

Elizabeth 35:31

Maybe a little boy Crazy. Yeah. Because boys are cute. Because they're cute

Jas 35:35

when they have those short shirts on and those big pants on, and they just look cute. I'm like, ugh.

Elizabeth 35:41

To get super cheesy, you know what? Feeling I will never get tired of the moment before you have a first kiss.

Jas 35:47

It's so fun.

Elizabeth 35:48

It's so like,

Jas 35:50

well, they won't, they, they will, they'll,

Elizabeth 35:56

it's like a forehead

Jas 35:56

kiss

Elizabeth 35:56

on

Jas 35:57

stair. It's, it's, it's, it is. And then getting to like. Feel sorry to dad. My dad is not watching this. Sorry. Dad. Rda. Cindy, you? Yeah. Cindy and Rhonda. Y'all know, fuck it is. But me and Jakes would never, sorry dad. Um, getting to like, feel their lips. Mm-hmm. It's like that's what lips feel like. Right? It's like a new, it's like, I don't know. I, this is so cheesy and love a girl of me, but I feel like. Hungry. Having that first kiss is gonna be like, I've never touched lips before in my, but it's like that a good kiss. You know? It's like, right.

Elizabeth 36:32

But speaking of, as long as it's the first kiss, so it's as magical in that moment, and then you have three seconds before you realize, oh no, this, wait, put that tongue back. Just, it's too soon. It's too soon. Guys, listening soon. Do not just open your mouth and stick your tongue in mine. Like there needs to be a flow. Like

Jas 36:57

goes straight in there

Elizabeth 36:59

and I'm like, can we move our lips around a little bit? I mean, yeah, yeah,

Jas 37:01

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a open close

Elizabeth 37:03

How did kissing even start? Like Yeah. It's so weird when you think about just two people smashing their faces together. Smashing. Yeah. If I

Jas 37:10

think about it too much, I'm like,

Elizabeth 37:12

it's weird. It's so weird. Weird. How the fuck did that? But it's so hot. So good. Why is it so good?

Jas 37:17

It's so good. Uh, I have a notes app of all the boys I have crushes on and girls, but all of my crushes

Elizabeth 37:24

Yep. I have started to journal all the, hopefully none of the guys I've told you are listening to this, cause all these experiences are teaching me. Yeah. Like I'm calling it the Renaissance of Liz. And so I've, I've started to journal about them and I just feel like I have these very, like, there's always a plot for the plot experiences. There's always a plot. There's always a plot. I told my girlfriend, I was like, I need to stop saying for the plot because I be for the Ploting a lot. A lot. But you know what? I kind of love it. It's, it's fun because all time it's exciting. Yes. Even the shitty parts. I'm like, but for the plot, need character building. Needed

Jas 37:53

to have guess I God, I had gone through that one. Wonder where the next chapter's gonna bring me. And then my mine are like, May, 2025 and then I'll have another notes app April, 2025. And like I just like in that one notes app, I'll just like date it, date it, date it, and just love it. Write my paragraphs. It And you, are

Elizabeth 38:11

they ever the same, you ever have like any ones that like carried over to the next month? Yes.

Jas 38:15

Yes. I'm like, Ooh, how are we here again? Thought I learned that lesson last month. Ooh, how did we get there? Oh, the exact same way we got there last time. Got it. Got it. Thought we learned. Thought we figured out different things. I was gonna get not a forehead

Elizabeth 38:31

kiss person though. Yeah. Crossing out. I love that. Yeah. So let me ask you this, we've talked about our authenticity and that's what makes us, I think us, well obviously authenticity makes you you. Wow. Who would've put that together? Insightful. Listen to me for all the advice. I couldn't have said it better myself,

Jas 38:52

genuinely. Honestly. That's what I think I sound

Elizabeth 38:56

like when I'm in

Jas 38:57

yoga class. That's why I'm like, y'all are getting something from this.

Elizabeth 39:00

Very much so. Let's talk about that in a second. But wow. Our authenticity is, I think what draws people in. It's like, what is our magic? Because. There's not a hundred percent authenticity out there anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And then also I think we're, we're so happy and comfortable being us, and we love us. Even all the loud parts, all the small parts, like we're like, this is us. Like this is me. I own that. But after going through your separation, doing the hard thing, how do you keep yourself grounded? How do you stay true to Jas? How do you believe in Jas? How do you continue to just put yourself out there and be you and not let the world take that away?

Jas 39:38

I, it's funny when our, with our yoga class earlier, when the intention and the theme was about gratitude, I am so thankful that I've had gratitude to lean back on because I've been able to be grateful for a lot of the decisions I made. And I remember right after I got married, I thought. This might have been the worst mistake I've ever made. Like, what did I just do? Oh God. And then that was May, and then January we weren't doing well and I remember asking for a divorce and that immediately, and then the pandemic happened. And so then we, really tried to work it out and like he was my best friend. So it's like, let's, let's do this. You know, that first year is always the hardest year. But then to fast forward to 2023, we had one of our first incidents and I thought, I can't do this anymore. And I remember driving up to my friend's, uh, bachelorette party and I was like, I'm not gonna tell anybody'cause we're all happily engaged, married women, so I'm going to play the part and just be, but in my mind, I've driven up this mountain and I know that I cannot do this anymore. And I said, I'm just gonna sit on that. And I drove down the mountain, I said. I'm gonna give this everything I've gotten. Because when I thought that I wanted this divorce or when I've thought, I don't know if I could do this, I couldn't say like, it was just forever. This is forever. So I'm just stuck with, I'm stuck with forever. Oh my God. That's what I felt like. It's like you're in my head. And so, and I just was like, okay, if I'm stuck, I'm gonna figure it out. But I was like, you know what? I could see that this could be the end, but I don't want it to be, so I'm going to give it everything I got. And so for eight months I did. And by the time eight months was over and I literally could not get out of bed. And when I was out of bed, I only wanted to be back in bed. And when I was in bed, I didn't wanna get outta bed. And I was like, that's everything. Mm-hmm. That's all that I got. Damn. And I can so often think back to those pivotal moments and be like, you did the hardest thing you could ever have ever done. And like, and then you did it. And then you did it, like you thought about it immediately after you got married and then you thought about it in January when you were like, something's not working and you aren't talking to his family that you've been friends close with for six years. And yeah, also you're not feeling supported and you're not feeling like he's like putting your family, your unit first. And but then it was like, okay, I'm gonna try, I'm gonna make a decision, I'm gonna make a decision. And every time I was like, you're giving it everything you got, you've given it, it, everything you got, even when it gets so hard. And then to like be done and then yes, to hire the lawyers and like to go through that process that was tough and that was heavy. But then to actually sign, and I think what really like made it feel so much lighter is when I read. In the paperwork that the dogs are legally the wives. That was it. How beautiful.'cause I also didn't want the dogs. I didn't, I didn't want the dogs. I don't know how I'm gonna take care of the dogs. Right. I'm not necessarily, I was a dog person. We'd had'em for like our whole relationship, but I was like, he knows the dogs, right? How am I, his parents live here. He can board them. You know? I don't, and then I have the dogs, but then when legally they were mine, I was like, oh my God, you did it. Oh my God. The only thing you kicked out was just like this man, you have your life. Wow. And it just, I don't know, that's, I can look back on that to like circle it back around. Is that like, I'm so thankful that like I made this decision that like was that felt right? Which is like, sit with it. You're done with it. Sit with it for this whole weekend. And then I went down, I said, that doesn't feel right. You have to give this everything you got. And then made that decision and every time I would come back, like we had a couples therapist that we said we weren't religious. And we obviously know this was a very big mental health problem on my ex-husband, but we brought him into our couples therapy and our therapist ended up sending me multiple articles that were like, how a wife should treat a husband in the biblical sense. And I was like, okay, okay. But that like makes me

Elizabeth 43:39

angry.

Jas 43:40

Okay. Okay. Um, and you're going, you're still dealing with all this shit. Yeah. And I'm like, I guess I can't do that. If I'm trying to do it, I can't do it with him. So like, we stopped seeing our therapist and it was, I just, there was so many moments where I was like, I'm trying so hard, so I've gotta pivot. Okay. I'm gonna trust the way that I pivoted. And I mean, even like that therapist who was terrible, but he like yelled at me one time and he was like, you're wishy-washy. You gotta figure out what to do. And I'm like, because this man is crazy right now. This man is coming home and he's crazy. Yeah. And you gotta protect yourself and. So it just felt like, okay, okay, then y'all, you are gonna make me make a decision. Okay. Yeah. I've gotta choose myself then. Mm-hmm. Because none of y'all are trying to choose me. None of y'all are looking out for me, and I have to look out for myself because what is my therapist telling me that my peace is way too expensive to be disrupted by y'all?

Elizabeth 44:26

Amen.

Jas 44:27

That was just the hardest thing to do is like, okay, my piece, well, my piece had really never been there. Right. I've never been settled, but I was like, oh, same. My piece is actually too expensive.

Elizabeth 44:39

Mm-hmm.

Jas 44:39

I've gotta make this decision and I've gotta follow through with it. Now

Elizabeth 44:42

my needs matter. Yeah.

Jas 44:43

And I matter. Yeah. They're not, I don't even know what they are, but I know that they're not being met right now. I know that I do not feel safe in my body, in my home and being me. Yeah. Like I feel it's such a compliment every time I can hear you're just you, you're authentically you. Because I remember just constantly every day getting up and being like, okay, how are you gonna act today?

Elizabeth 45:05

Oh.

Jas 45:07

What's gonna make the, make him the least mad.

Elizabeth 45:10

Yeah.

Jas 45:11

Sitting in my car, like when I would get home and just being like, okay, this is how you have to act. And then I would go in, you know? Yeah. And that's how I would like, have to act until I went to bed. And then even when I would go to sleep, I would be like, I really hope that I don't have a dream and I say anything that can make him mad while I'm sleeping. You know?

Elizabeth 45:30

Yeah. Wow. So I, I feel like I compartmentalized my version of me with him, so Well, that's why I was in deep, deep denial of the reality I was living. Um,'cause I poured so much into myself, and I had the podcast and I was making friends and I was networking, and it's like, this will sustain me. Yeah. And like now looking back on it, as much as I was pouring in, it was just like an empty drain right behind me. Yeah. And it's like, well, this is why nothing's moving forward. Mm-hmm. Even though I have all the energy, all the positivity and the ambition, it's like, what? What? Yeah. That's hard. Yeah. So is that what you lean on? Like do you fall back on that strength of Jas? Yeah. And that's what keeps you grounded?

Jas 46:10

Yeah. And it's crazy because I never thought I would admit this, but he, my ex-husband was the first one to start calling me Jas with it spelled like an S. Okay. Like my whole life growing up, everyone spelled it with a Z and I hated it. Yeah. Hated it. You're not a Jas with ZZ I'm not, yeah. I'm not a Jas with a Z. You're not, you know, I'm just not. No. And with an S made me feel so authentic to me, and so, I don't know, I just feel like I then took it from him. Mm-hmm. And just ran with it. It was like, okay, this is, yeah, this is my name, this is who I am and this is like, hearing it and seeing it spelled JAS that was like the first part of me that felt so authentic and the most part of me that felt so authentic and true. When I spelled my name JAS. being able to say that like, this is my business movement with Jas, and then having people call me that, and then me introducing myself as that and that I feel like is like the fairy Yeah. That I like follow. Yeah. You know, because that's authentically me. Mm-hmm. And I don't ever want to be called JAZ.

Elizabeth 47:09

Right. I

Jas 47:09

don't ever wanna feel like JAZI

Elizabeth 47:11

don't think it's weird that you take it from him. If, if you wanna get deep with it, in the demise, the ending of that relationship, which is you choosing, you, you can look at it as he gave you a gift mm-hmm. To fully claim. Believe it or not, like my ex gave me the name for the podcast.

Jas 47:26

Wow. Oof. Yeah. And

Elizabeth 47:28

I love it. Yeah. And it's, people know me by it. And I don't think weird. I don't feel guilty. I don't feel shame. Even with this one piece of what?'cause it's like, yeah, well, for lack of a better word, at least he gave me something. Not kidding. That's horrible. That's horrible. Don't mean it like that. But I really don't, I'm not a hater. But especially because that was one of the many issues in our relationship. He never supported me in my dreams. But then in a weird, ironic twist, he gave me this, the life. Yeah. Because I remember the moment I was like trying to couple names and he's like, what are you trying to get across? And I was like, getting from point A to point B, whatever that that line is, he's like the in between. And I went, oh my God, I just got goosebumps. I was like, that's it. You really do. You

Jas 48:09

do? Yeah. Yeah. I feel, Ugh. I feel that that's, I love that you shifted that perspective for me because I feel like with my ex being able to call me Jas, it made me feel confident. Like, in this person I love so much, and that like was my best friend. Who I felt for so long had seen me so long to be able to call me that. It's like, okay, I can call that to myself. Mm-hmm. It's like, thank you. This is who you are. Yeah. Like, thank you for giving that to me.

Elizabeth 48:35

Yeah.

Jas 48:36

But it's mine. It's mine, and I'm gonna go and I'm gonna

Elizabeth 48:38

claim it and I'm gonna go on with my life. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's beautiful. Yeah.

Jas 48:41

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Elizabeth 48:43

Finally you got something from me. Yeah.

Jas 48:45

You're

Elizabeth 48:45

saying no

Jas 48:46

to me. That's how I'm saying it to them from now on. It's like, you fucking kidding me? I, you see these change

Elizabeth 48:56

colors from green, blue. We're not psycho.

Jas 49:06

We just know what we're about. Just know your worth. It's like, and it's like, not even like, you have to quantify it. It's just like that I'm so worth so much and worth so much and you're about to miss out on so much. It was such a mistake that you made.

Elizabeth 49:18

Yeah.

Jas 49:18

Fumbling the bag with me. Yeah. And it's not a matter of like Mm, but it's like, wow. You fucked up. Yeah. Because I'm such a gift. Mm-hmm. And I am so thankful that I can recognize that. Yes. You know, and I True. I just hope that everyone and every woman at some point can like, recognize Yes. That they are such a gift. They 1000% separated, divorced, single, dah, dah, dah. No matter, like your existence is, you're a gift. Your existence is a gift. And it's just that I feel like, huh? I feel like that we would just all feel a little bit lighter.

Elizabeth 49:52

I agree. Yeah. There's just too much pressure. Like think about all the things that had to happen for you to be here. Yeah.

Jas 49:59

Yeah. O my mom thought I was cancer when she,

Elizabeth 50:03

Rhonda.

Jas 50:05

Rhonda, come on now. They weren't, they weren't trying and she took so many pregnancy tests. Guess she was an oncologist. You need to go to the fertility clinic. Said, oh shit. Well she had ob how to do IVF for, I don't know if it was my sister or brother or something like that. And so, yeah, they weren't trying and she said, oh, I'm pregnant. Yeah, girl. Little old

Elizabeth 50:25

me Yager. Hey girl dad. Like I'm coming and out Uhha. Yeah, I know. I love that. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I was wanna say you are like a natural on the mic. I've done like fever classes and. The intention setting behind the class before we do it at the end always speaks to my soul. I'm always like getting emotional and I'm always like, I dunno if you want like a whole podcast, but you could do like a weekly intention setting, just like five minutes. That would be

Jas 50:49

so fun. You would do so

Elizabeth 50:50

well

Jas 50:50

with that. That'd actually be so fun. I thought I was like, do I? Because it's so interesting moving from the space of I just consider myself a trainer. Mm-hmm. An instructor and then moving into, I don't know what space I'm in right now, but I know what my mama said. It's like, it's so fun watching you build this brand.

Elizabeth 51:11

Mm-hmm.

Jas 51:11

And stepping into that a little bit more, it's like, oh, my only thought about being a podcast was like, do I just like record? Classes. And then it's like, oh no, I can do other things. Mm-hmm. I can just speak. Yeah. I can just speak Yep. And not teach. Right. You know? And, and, and, um, yeah. I'm excited to see what that might unfold. What, what? Like

Elizabeth 51:34

I'll teach you a thing, please. Or two, please. Yeah. No, I have all the equipment. I'm such a professional. This is incredible. So before we close, well

Jas 51:44

already,

Elizabeth 51:45

girl, this has been so good, right? Oh, um, I, what do you foresee in the future? What are your big dreams? Now that you've reclaimed yourself in a way? Mm-hmm. Not in a way you have and you're fully you. Something I can absolutely resonate with. And it is the most exciting feeling. Still scary.'cause you're still learning a lot in the process. America picked that heart. But also, here it is.

Jas 52:10

Take it, hold it carefully. Gradual,

Elizabeth 52:13

fragile. Ooh. So weird. Anyone who's not watching this on YouTube is probably like,

Jas 52:21

what is happening? What? The noise.

Elizabeth 52:27

Don't break Doughboy around. I'm dead. So funny. Love it. Um, but what what are next steps is like a job interview, but where do you want movement with Jas to go? Like what do you ultimately want to be known for? Oh, sorry. I was like impressed with my own question.

Jas 52:56

Like a cam response ready to go. She,

Elizabeth 53:01

I saw you kind of go, oh shit. Okay. And I, I was like, damn girl, that was good. Write that down. Oh my god. I come down on not your two. Shit. Okay. Anyways,

Jas 53:14

is Repeat the question. Can you repeat the question?

Elizabeth 53:18

I'm just thinking about the beginning of the episode before you start recording and I was like, you ready? And you're like, blink, blink, blink, blink. I dunno.

Jas 53:25

Yeah. Wait, what? My armpits immediately started sweating. It was like, clinch says, but she just a little bit,

Elizabeth 53:33

she's like,

Jas 53:34

it's like that. So raven, Steve.

Elizabeth 53:36

Oh my god. Yeah. God. Wow. So funny. Oh goodness. Okay. No, the, I'm like, what was the question? But I was so excited about, so good. Um, what do you wanna be known for? Mm.

Jas 53:48

Like I know this year I'm very excited. I got a scholarship to, go through my 300 hour yoga teacher training, which that and some other requirements will allow me to lead yoga teacher trainings. But I was kind of talking about it earlier. I, I love to teach. Mm-hmm. Um, I love to educate, which I did not know at all. This would be any type of my path. Um, but I like to see when people get it. I like to see when it resonates with them and in a deeper way. So I would love to lead some workshops on, just things that I've learned throughout my, yoga experience that support how you live every day. Ooh,

Elizabeth 54:24

love that.

Jas 54:25

You know, and, and being able to get real with a lot of people. I mean, like, this was my life and it's messy and it's not perfect, and I'm never gonna say it's perfect and I'm never gonna think it's perfect. I don't want it to be perfect. But I do know that you can be a little nice to yourself on the way

Elizabeth 54:39

there. Yes. You

Jas 54:41

know? Yes. Um, and I. Want to spread that as much as possible. I wanna spread that to the masses. And yeah, I think that, I told my dad this when we were having lunch. I was like, I don't know what's to come, but I just know that, I have faith that success is gonna be there. Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth 54:57

Yes.

Jas 54:57

And I don't know what success looks like. I do know that I have a passion for instructing and teaching and like creating a space that people can feel and move in their bodies and feel good in their minds. I, I don't know what's gonna come, but I'm, I'm really excited about what's, what it's gonna be. and doing this is like, oh my gosh, this is a whole nother avenue that Right. Whether I tap into or not. It's like, this is a really cool experience that I'm like learning from and Aw, you know, will be able to, Use and have a little bit in my toolbox.

Elizabeth 55:24

It show. Yeah. It shows you other, yeah. You said avenues and it shows you the different layers to which you can do your thing be Jas. Yeah. I was like thinking, I was like, this is where we overlap. Like the self-love, Mm-hmm. Like it's so important. Life is hard enough. Like suffering is inevitable. Like we're all gonna suffer in some way. Yeah. Um, and I don't even mean that doom and gloom'cause I also think it tests you. It teaches you. Yeah. And I'm not trying to diminish anybody's hard thing. Yeah.

Jas 55:45

No.

Elizabeth 55:46

I don't know why bad things happen to good people. Yeah. But the resilience can either go one way of being negative, shutting down or it can show you what you're capable of overcoming. Mm-hmm. And I think to get there you have to love yourself enough. Yeah. To take the positive route. To take the peaceful route.'cause it's so much harder. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jas 56:06

And I love that I keep coming back to, In yoga, we have a lead or a help lead, uh, yoga teacher trainings right now. And we have this thing called your Alpa, which is kind of like your mission. And I haven't quite figured out what it is, but I know it always comes back to like, come back to the light, back to being light, come back to feeling the light. It's like you can come back to the light while you might get really mad at the car that cut you off, or your ex-husband or this or that, that this, you know, come back to being the light. Like you don't have to diminish your light. You don't have to let anybody steal your light. You can feel light and you can always choose that over the other option that you know is going to. Not serve you. Yeah. It's gonna drain you. Yeah. It's gonna be a disservice to yourself. Right. Er, like be of service to yourself. Mm-hmm. You know, be that light. Find that light, come back, choose the light.

Elizabeth 57:00

Yeah. And it's so hard, but being around people, like hearing conversations like this, whether it's podcast books, friends, it helps make that easier.

Jas 57:09

Yeah. Yeah.

Elizabeth 57:10

Yeah.

Jas 57:10

I've had some really, really incredible girlfriends in my past, few years that have just, we've just sat on the couch and we've just cried. Yeah. And it's been like. I love you girl. I love you girl. Right? I love you girl. Yeah. You know, and it's just like speaking into each other. Mm-hmm. And I mean, that's something that, ugh, all cherish forever, but like that's that. Yeah. That's what it's about.

Elizabeth 57:32

'Cause having people that pour into you just as much as you pour into them, like it is crucial. It's diff it's it's magical.

Jas 57:38

Yeah. It's a different, it's a different type of love.

Elizabeth 57:40

Yeah. And it's also cool to be on the other side of that and then be able to be that person for someone new.

Jas 57:46

Yeah. Yeah. You know? Oof. Yeah.

Elizabeth 57:47

And show them it's gonna be okay. Yeah. It's gonna be hard as shit, but it's gonna be okay because in the end you choose you and there's nothing more powerful than that. Yeah.

Jas 57:57

It was really like, it was so lovely for my heart the other day at my yoga class and we were in the park and what. Four out of six of us. Yeah. That was nuts. Divorce going and I, I mean, I was like out of, out of like, we are all y'all in my life. I've all met y'all within the last year. And it's like, it's crazy. You know? I

Elizabeth 58:15

feel the same way. So it's

Jas 58:16

like, yeah, and then you're the group of your friends and I was like, oh my God. Right. I've never been around this many women who are just like me.

Elizabeth 58:23

Yeah.

Jas 58:24

I love this. Right. Like it was so whether we had talked about it or not, right, it was like, wow, this just feels just

Elizabeth 58:30

being single in your thirties. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jas 58:31

Just feels so seen.

Elizabeth 58:33

Yeah. No, I completely agree. It's magical. Well, that was incredible. Wow. So everyone wants to follow Jas. And if you're in Atlanta, you should absolutely check out her yoga classes, and I'm sure there's gonna only be more things that present itself. So tee up your handles. Uh, drum roll please.

Jas 58:52

On Instagram and on TikTok, uh, you can find me as Jas, JAS Jakes, J-A-K-E-S altogether. Um, I also on Instagram, if you really wanna keep up with all of my movement, happenings, it's movement with Jas. MVMT, with WITH, Jas, JAS.

Elizabeth 59:10

I am so happy we finally did this. Mm-hmm. Finally. You are incredible. And I am so glad that I approached you after that class

Jas 59:18

I was telling somebody, I was like, I met this girl. She's so cool. And I was like, and the way that she's approached me and like been like, Hey girl. I sent you my number and you haven't used it. Hey girl, this that. I said I loved that because that was tea and that was like exactly what I needed. I was like, I need somebody to like follow up and do that with me because I'm just, but behind

Elizabeth 59:36

that I was like, please be my friend. And then

Jas 59:38

I'm like, it worked. It worked. So I'm so thankful I'm yes I,

Elizabeth 59:41

You were the best. I'm so glad our path crossed and I would like to think maybe it was far forehead kiss.

Jas 59:51

There goes that. I keep thinking not my favorite Pillsbury boy. Oh my God, that's so funny. With wings. And on that

Elizabeth 1:00:04

note, everybody go find your fairy, which could have many meanings. I feel like. I mean, go find your yourself. Authenticity is you a, authenticity

Jas 1:00:16

is you.

Elizabeth 1:00:17

But go, go find your worth and recognize that it comes from within. So there, Gary, that was a, that was, that's good. Go. That's a good closer. That wasn't awkward. Thank you. Anyways, we know how

Jas 1:00:27

we're doing. What

Elizabeth 1:00:27

we're doing. All right. On that note, I'll see you guys next time. I'm Elizabeth. This is Jas. Wow, that noise was atrocious, but we'll catch you next time. Bye. Bye.