When we think of abundance, what comes to mind? Is it monetary wealth, a fulfilling career, or perhaps healthy relationships? Get ready to redefine abundance with our inspiring guest Rebecca Whitman, a magnetic abundance mentor. Rebecca graciously takes us on a journey from her Hollywood days, wrestling with body image issues, to finding love during midlife.
Unravel the secret of turning scarcity into abundance with Rebecca's unique seven pillars of abundance and the power of journaling. From career to health and relationships, each pillar sheds light on a different aspect of life. Learn how Rebecca transformed her negative thoughts into positive affirmations
We wrap up with a candid conversation about menopause and body image, offering a haven for women struggling with self-acceptance during this transition. This episode is brimming with wisdom, self-love, and abundance, so tune in and enrich your life with a dose of positivity.
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Rebeccas FREE Abundance Journal click HERE
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When we think of abundance, what comes to mind? Is it monetary wealth, a fulfilling career, or perhaps healthy relationships? Get ready to redefine abundance with our inspiring guest Rebecca Whitman, a magnetic abundance mentor. Rebecca graciously takes us on a journey from her Hollywood days, wrestling with body image issues, to finding love during midlife.
Unravel the secret of turning scarcity into abundance with Rebecca's unique seven pillars of abundance and the power of journaling. From career to health and relationships, each pillar sheds light on a different aspect of life. Learn how Rebecca transformed her negative thoughts into positive affirmations
We wrap up with a candid conversation about menopause and body image, offering a haven for women struggling with self-acceptance during this transition. This episode is brimming with wisdom, self-love, and abundance, so tune in and enrich your life with a dose of positivity.
How To Find Rebecca
Rebeccas Website, click HERE
Rebeccas FREE Abundance Journal click HERE
Find Rebecca on IG HERE
Let's Be Friends
Hang out with Heather on IG @greenpalettekitchen or on FB HERE.
Let's Talk!
Whether you are looking for 1-1 nutrition coaching or kitchen coaching let's have a chat. Click HERE to reach out to Heather.
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Hey everybody and welcome back. Today I had the pleasure of speaking with Rebecca Whitman, who calls herself a magnetic abundance mentor. Rebecca is just full of positivity love versus fear, abundance versus scarcity and in a world where women are going through midlife, menopause, transition and all that surrounds that Empty nesting, our older parents, our health issues, our weight, our body image Rebecca has a really fresh perspective on how to shift your mindset so you can recognize all that you do have rather than what you don't. So I really encourage you to take a listen to my interview with Rebecca, especially if you're feeling a little lost these days and just wondering what is going to happen with the rest of your life. I know we can all get caught up in those kind of thoughts every once in a while. So Rebecca really has a positive perspective on it. So take a listen to my interview with Rebecca Whitman.
Speaker 1:Hey everybody, I am here today with Rebecca Whitman. Rebecca is a magnetic abundance mentor and author of internationally bestselling books phenomenal feminine entrepreneurs, business life, universe and how to make a six-figure income working part time. Rebecca was selected as life coach of the year by the International Association of Top Professionals and she hosts the Balanced, beautiful, abundant podcast. Rebecca's philosophy divides life into seven pillars of abundance, which include spiritual, physical, emotional, romantic, mental, social and financial. She helps people achieve balance with these seven areas so they can experience more fun and freedom in their lives. And Rebecca also has a personal story and I'm really looking forward, rebecca, to getting into your story and just to see how your story formed what you do now as a life coach. So why don't we just jump in? I know you have a story about some eating disorder issues and being on and off diets. I know you're in menopause right now and that's most of my audience, so why don't we just jump in and tell me your story?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I moved to LA 22 years ago and it was my childhood dream to be an actress. And from the second I got here, I felt like I was being judged for my weight and this was the pre-me too movement. So I actually had an agent say, before I decided to sign you, come back in a bikini. And I was in a bikini and he's like you need to lose five to ten pounds. I had to come back in a bikini again a few months later and he's like, okay, I'll sign you. So literally like so, being judged, I wanted to be an extra on the show entourage and you had to be a size four. I'm like five, eight.
Speaker 2:I've always been, like you know, strong, so like I vary between like a size six and an eight. So, yeah, it just was a lot of pressure and I tried everything I could to to fit that mold of being the Hollywood actress. And I tried the keto diet for many, many years and, although it did work and I did lean out, I ended up getting a gallbladder infection. And not only was my gallbladder infected, it needed to be pulled out immediately because it was creating an infection in my pancreas. There were gallstones that went from my gallbladder to my bile duct, and if that would have been blocked I would have been done, so I just like now. I'm all about moderation and a low inflammation Mediterranean diet, vegetables, fish, some grains, fruit and just drinking a lot of water and it's also about just self-love and just loving my body at every age and every size, and I've been in menopause now for a couple years and I had a pretty graceful transition into that.
Speaker 1:That's almost the worst case scenario of the keto diet, right? But I'm glad that you're sharing that story, because a lot of women get desperate to lose weight quickly and the keto diet seems appealing and then they realize either that they just can't sustain it or it's just another diet. But that's really the worst case scenario of what could happen on and off a diet. So thanks for sharing your example. That it sounds like it prompted you to really reevaluate and get a little more clear with how you want to be eating and living, and so you use the word moderation, anti-inflammatory and self-love. And now that you're here in the wonderful land of menopause, things are constantly shifting and changing. But you are a coach who focuses on mindset and abundance. How did you get into going from an acne career into coaching and how is your story influenced the field of work that you are in now, now that you are a woman in a different phase of life and with a different attitude about life, I imagine?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So what happened was I fell into working in the children's acting school business, which I totally loved because I don't have kids and the kids were available after school and on weekends. So when the kids were at school, I was attending lectures by great thought leaders like Michael Beckwith, abraham Hicks, wayne Dyer, louise Hay, marion Williamson, and I studied the law of attraction. I applied it to my job at the kids acting school and I started making six figures working part time. The one area where I was incredibly challenged was my love life, and I had a habit of picking emotionally unavailable, narcissistic men, and I actually married one, thinking he would change, which a lot of women make that mistake but instead it just got worse and there was a lot of verbal and emotional abuse. So I filed for divorce after just three years of marriage and, as my marriage was unraveling, my dad was dying in a nursing home. I was living in LA, where I still live. My dad was in Cincinnati, so I was flying back and forth and I never knew which conversation with my dad would be our last, and in one of our last conversations he said Rebecca, I think you should write a book. The way you're living life is very unique and I want you to write. So my divorce was finalized on a win. My dad was. His funeral was on a Wednesday. My divorce was finalized 72 hours later and somehow I didn't fall apart.
Speaker 2:And a few months later I was sitting across the desk for my financial planner and he said Rebecca, through your real estate investments and your stock portfolio, you're actually a millionaire, and I think you should teach women how you're resilient, because I know you lost your dad and you lost your marriage, yet you're having your best financial year ever. So I wrote a book. It's called how to Make a Six Figure Income Working Part-Time, and in the book I divide life into seven key areas, which I call the seven pillars of abundance. They are spirituality, health and fitness, emotions, romance, mental, social and financial, and when all seven pillars of life are in alignment, you are balanced, beautiful and abundant. So now I mentor women to go from burned out to balanced, beautiful and abundant. I have a podcast that's very successful called the Balance, beautiful and Abundant Show, and I'm now remarried to my soulmate. I'm experiencing great health and I really believe that when you have your life in alignment in these seven key areas, you can be, do or have anything you want.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have a lot to unpack, because that sounds like you had a really big influence from your dad. He was unfortunately about to pass away and he said you need to write and he saw something good in what you were doing. And right at the same time, your marriage your first marriage was ending, which was probably a good sign or something that you needed to push out of your life. Now a lot of women going through the menopause transition I mean, they're going through so much in their lives right at the same time. I don't know if you are experienced some of this, but not only just the dip in estrogen. So physically we're going through a lot of changes in having possibly a lot of symptoms and health issues sometimes menopause retriggers, disordered eating all things that you were getting away with or ultra dieting and stuff, things like kind of come to the surface again.
Speaker 1:Women are also experiencing empty nesting, taking care of older parents, questioning our careers, what we want to do with the rest of our lives. I mean, I know I'm certainly just in some of that too. So I think this all takes a really healthy dose of an abundant mindset. You have to think sort of like the glass half full, in a way, rather than the glass half empty, and a lot of women I come across maybe some of my clients think about all that they're losing right now rather than all that they're gaining and their bodies as they knew it, their relationships, parents, health and everything. So you shifted your focus quite a bit and then attracted your new husband and your writing books and it sounds like a really satisfying, fantastic career. So I'd love to talk to you more about the mindset piece or just your philosophy, before we get into the specific pillars. I would just like to just tell me a little bit more about your philosophy, how you feel like you attracted your new husband and how it's sounds like a totally different relationship than your old one.
Speaker 2:It really was. I was not quite yet a menopause when I met him but I wanted to reinvent myself so I called a coach. Actually, the coach called me. He was a friend of my ex-husband and he's like I think I'm supposed to work with you and I was really close to investing my money and starting a gym. And he's like, well, you've already written a book, why don't you just spend your money on marketing the books? I was like, okay, so the week before the book launch I went to a party thrown by the owner of my gym and I invited everyone at the party to go to my book launch party the following week and the only person who showed up was Ben and he bought a book at the book launch party and said, hey, can I have you sign this over a dinner date?
Speaker 2:And I was like sure, and I walked into the dinner date. He said very just, like jaded and cynical, I was wearing it on my sleeve, like oh God, here we go again, another LA guy. So he really wore me down by asking really kind, like open questions. He got me really comfortable talking about myself and my life and we connected and we ended up closing down that restaurant and it just coincided of meeting him with launching this new career. When the book came out I would start to go on different podcasts and on the news and lecture about the book and he was a former A-list agent so he was, like you know, cherry me on and it's been really great. So that is how I met him.
Speaker 2:It's a very different kind of relationship. He's very kind, he is like no drama and I wrote out everything that I wanted and he is like everything that I wanted. So one of the things was I wanted to be with someone who wakes up in a good mood because I teach. I call myself the magnetic abundance mentor because I really believe your thoughts create your vibration. Your vibration is what creates your manifestations and your reality and I want to keep my vibration as positive as I can, which that kind of segues into the beginning of your question of how some women think of menopause as a loss, and I really I thought of it that way at first, but then I realized we are, as women, internalizing the patriarchy to think that women are only valuable at a certain age.
Speaker 2:That basically came from the notion that women are only valuable if they can breed and, you know, bring other humans onto the planet and after that, you know, purpose is served, they're not beautiful or they're not worthwhile and I really think that that is completely just sexist and agist and I'm like I don't want to perpetrate that. So I decided that I'm going to feel sexy and beautiful and confident at any age and I think society is slowly changing and I think it started with the show Desperate Housewives that showed women in their 40s and 50s as like beautiful and sexy and had lives and now sex in the city. They're all in their fair and just like that. They're all in their 50s and I feel like it's changing, like society is finally changing where women that are, you know, pre and post menopause are considered sexy and beautiful and interesting and have lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with you. I think that things are starting to slowly shift, but it's slow. You know, there's still many, many women that I see, my clients, who you know are really caught up in. I have to look a certain way and I have to be at a certain weight and you know, to be, in order to be happy and fulfilled. Yeah, I have a fear of maybe losing my husband for just for the pressure that women feel around body image and it's so. It's changing. I can see shifts, but it seems like it's slow. You know it's slow but it's moving.
Speaker 1:So my question is you were saying that like so I just decided to. You know, I just turned my kind of my frame of mind around. How do you do that? You know, if you're really feeling like stuck, you know, and you're looking at everything like, oh, my kid's. Just, you know, my, I'm an empty nester and I, that was my purpose in life. Now, what am I going to do when? And I feel like I'm gaining weight when I never really did before, and how do you go about the steps of turning that around? Because it's one thing to just talk about it and just say, just start thinking, you know, in a different mindset, or just, you know, think with abundance, but it's so. It's one thing to talk about it and then one thing to really live it and believe it.
Speaker 2:I would say to your question that all thoughts come from fear or love, or you could also say scarcity or abundance. So if you're coming from scarcity, it's there's never enough, like there's always going to be someone younger, skinnier, sexier, smarter, more famous, wittier than you. And if you are coming from abundance, it's I am enough and the man that is lucky enough to be with me will appreciate me at every age. And how do you do that? First of all, you're aware when you're in scarcity, like, oh okay, I'm in scarcity, I'm thinking that I have to look perfect or I'm not good enough just at the body that I have right now. And then you catch yourself. And then what works for me is I have an affirmation that will switch me from scarcity to abundance. So I like to say affirmations like I am enough, I have enough, I am willing to set myself free. That's a big one. I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. Things are working out even better than I can imagine. And I just keep working with affirmations. And in the book how to Make a Six Figure Income Working Part-Time, after each chapter you get three affirmations that will help you feel more confident in that area. So affirmations have been a very big tool.
Speaker 2:Another big tool which I'm so excited to give as a gift to your audience is I have been doing this abundance journal ever since I was a teenager. I met a woman at a 12-step meeting named Janet, and she told me this is how you write in a God journal and I kind of expanded on it and what the journal does is it takes my scarcity, fear-based thinking and it helps me flip it over to positive. And when I write out my fears and concerns and I see what they are and I consciously flip them and write them down, then I'm kind of retraining my subconscious mind to think from negative or scarcity thinking to positive or abundance thinking. And I really credit that journal format and doing that every morning for almost 30 years, no matter what, to why I have been able to walk through this archway in such a graceful way because of the right mindset.
Speaker 1:I love that. I'm a big proponent of journaling too. I've been journaling since I was probably 10 years old and I have all my journals still, which is really funny too. You'll sometimes look back on them sometimes scary. But I love that idea of this flipping your fear, writing it down, getting it out, because there's one thing it's hard to just say just say a bunch of mantras, because then they just become like I'm on autopilot. I really do believe in the power of journaling and getting your fears out onto paper and then you say you then flip them around and rewrite them or re-just look at them in the opposite way. So that just sounds very much like a gratitude journal, which is something I also keep. I think all of this it really does help shift your mindset around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I also would like to share a poem that I wrote that helped me internalize this whole self-acceptance, and it goes like this I am not what I have. I am not what I do. I am not my age, my height, my weight or my dress size. I am not my relationship with men. I am not what other people think about me. I am not my society. I am what I am and it's enough. I am as God created me. All my needs are always met, all things are working together for my highest good. Everything I do comes easily, effortlessly and elegantly. Everything in the universe is for me. Nothing is against me. Life is supposed to be fun. I stopped taking myself so damn seriously. I stopped fighting anything or anyone, even you, thanks God. That poem really helps these issues that we're talking about.
Speaker 1:I love that. That's a really nice poem. Did you write that I did? Oh, that's really nice. Yeah, again, it takes practice. It takes probably commitment and practice. I want to talk about your seven pillars of abundance. How did you come up with these seven? I also want to ask about the romantic pillar, because I was curious when I looked over that. Your pillar is that I was wondering about romantic versus relationships or family. Does romantic fit under? Is that an umbrella?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great question. I found the pillars. I was going to a bunch of sales trainings and personal growth trainings in my 20s. They taught us to set goals in each of these areas of life. They didn't have romantic and that has always been an area of my life that is challenging, as I shared before. I wanted to have goals and intentions in that area. I would say that family and kids and all that are under emotional, but romantic is something that has been really an Achilles heel up until this new marriage. I've been very intentional about shifting that and that's why I added that as one of the pillars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense. Family, other relationships are under the emotional umbrella. Tell me more. If one of these is out of sync, do you focus solely on that one area? Are you focusing on all of the areas?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I like to look at my schedule on a Sunday night and I'm not hitting every area every day, but they are in order of importance. So every day I want to have a morning practice where I tap into my spirituality and that's where I write in my abundance journal and I'll read from spiritual literature and whatever else you know people love to do prayer, meditation, then fitness. I don't work out every single day, but probably four to six days a week, depending on the week. And then I look at emotions. I consciously try to stay high vibe and stay on the love channel. When I catch myself on the fear channel, which is only human, I'm aware of it and I'm like okay, how can I shift back to love? And a fast way to do that is through gratitude or affirmations. The next pillar is romance and I we try to have one date night a week where we go out to dinner, we don't look at our phones, we don't check our email, we're having a really connected conversation. So that's not something that we do every day, but once a week. Mental, I am constantly doing my personal growth and the nooks and crannies of my day. So I'm listening to podcasts, audible YouTube when I wake up when I'm driving and when I'm getting ready for bed, when I'm walking the dog, so that's something that I just kind of fit in. And social I try to have one social visit a week with a friend, with a girlfriend, where we have lunch or coffee or go for a walk. That's not something I do every single day. And then, finally, financial that is just setting up my week because I believe in having multiple streams of income. So I actually have four income streams and I set up my week and time blocks where I am very focused on the area that I'm in and I think of it. As you know, when we went to school we had those five subject notebooks and we were like doing our English homework, we're doing our English homework when we're doing our math, we're doing our math and we're doing history, we're doing history. So I'm very deliberate about setting up my week where when I'm, when I'm totally focused on which income stream I'm doing. That's all I'm doing. I'm not like going back and forth or anything like that. So that is kind of how I set up my week.
Speaker 2:In terms of the seven pillars and the rest of your question, yeah, when one area is off, others get affected. You know, when we're in a bad mood, when we're off emotionally, then obviously our romance gets affected, our social life and our financial life. You know, when we are, you know, having a bad month financially and not able to pay our bills, and we get stressed out and we're not going to have friendships or romance. When we're not working out and we're not going to the gym, then you know we are also going to be like not having as much energy to go out and make money, you know. So they're all. They're all interconnected.
Speaker 2:I don't believe in achieving perfect balance, even though I say balance, beautiful and abundant is the name of my community. It's more like a symphony. And when, when all these areas are playing together, you have a harmonious life where you're in a flow state, versus when you're just obsessed, like maybe someone's just obsessed with food and they're obsessed with going to the gym and they don't even have time to have a relationship or earn money that's when things get really out of balance.
Speaker 1:So it sounds like you give your clients some clarity around that, right? So if someone comes to you and says I'm just feeling going through menopause and I'm just feeling so I don't know what's going on in my life I mean, you helped to pick that apart and I've been falls into these categories how long does it take when someone comes to you and says my life just feels like it's out of control and it's a wreck and I just can't get happy with anything. I feel like just everything feels negative. How long do people work with you for?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't take me long. I mean I have different coaching programs that are anywhere from seven to 10 weeks and then I have ongoing support. Every Tuesday at 12 Pacific three Eastern, I have a complimentary women's circle for any alumni of my programs or anyone who just wants to check me out as a coach and that's going to be in my link tree which you share. But it doesn't take long because I'm not a therapist. I don't believe in like. I do love therapy and I've had therapy myself for a long time.
Speaker 2:I'm not currently in it, but I don't process childhood trauma and what I'm doing I am coaching people to get the results that I've gotten. So there's a saying if you find somebody who has what you want you do what they did, you can get what they got. I simply share a roadmap that will get them results and once they have the roadmap, then they have it. And I offer that accountability group on Tuesdays and, yeah, most people are often running. People will feel a shift after just the first session with me because it's not just philosophical, I give actual tips, tools and strategies to affect a change that day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just speaking with you right now is definitely reminding me just to take action and just to. We can get lost in our day to day stuff and then slip back. So this has been a great conversation for me too, because it's just reminding me to really focus on that abundance journal and my gratitude, and I've been actually going to be honest, I've been slipping on that a little bit lately, so I'm going to start that again this afternoon. Yeah, definitely. So your program is really like a program of action. You're not sitting in the past with people looking at their trauma. This is action steps that you can take right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I do have a program on how to manifest your soulmate, and the first step is to process and release your past. So we do look at relationships, what went wrong, what went right, look at the old patterns and see where they're no longer serving you. And so we do look at the past in that program. But then we're like, ok, this is the old pattern of relationship, this is the old type of person that I'm attracted to. Now, what do we want to create that's different than that? So that is a program called Seven Steps to Manifest your Soulmate in Midlife, and that is something where we do look at the past, but not for very long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, you don't want to be gazing and staring back at the past for too long, right, we want to be moving forward. I imagine that would be your philosophy. So your abundance journal, I mean this is something that this is a morning practice for you. You said do you recommend doing it in the morning or could it be done any time?
Speaker 2:It can be done any time. Some people do it in the morning, I like doing it in the morning, some people like doing it in the evening. You could do it midday. It's just something that you want to do every day and create a habit with it, because it will change your life.
Speaker 2:I have all my journals since I started doing it when I was 19. I could fill a mansion with how many journals I have. I don't even know how I'm storing them. Some of them are at my mom's house in Ohio, some of them are here, but it's been the number one tool for moving me forward toward my goals and dreams. And I just love writing. I love telling on myself, because when I have negative feelings and they're just swimming around my mind, they are creating anxiety and depression and I don't even know what's wrong with me. But once I get them on paper and actually see what my negative thought is and then, like I said, I flip it into a growth opportunity or I reframe it then I have power over my own life. So I'm not being run by my negative thinking or my limited beliefs, and that practice has really developed me into the person that I am today.
Speaker 1:Totally agree. I think journaling is like having a therapist with you. Sometimes it's like the best kept secret of just kind of working out all your emotional stuff and it sounds like you're really doing that. But it's a practice too. A lot of people when I say to them like you might want to journal this or hear some journal prompts, they do not get or they are not comfortable putting pen to paper. But it sounds like your abundance journal. This is a great first start and I will definitely link that in the show notes and so everyone could get their hands on that and start the process of shifting your mindset around.
Speaker 2:Make it like fun. Like let a candle or incense that smells great. Like have your favorite caffeinated beverage or warm beverage. Like make it a beautiful ritual and make it fun. And it doesn't have to be a drudgery like writing a term paper in college, you know. It can be something that you create like sacred space around and then habit stack it with something that you do anyway. Like if you have coffee every morning, habit stack it with okay, you're going to grab your coffee and then you're going to write in your journal. So I really think that you can reframe journaling to make it more like desirable to do and fun.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I think that's such a good point. You said that you know that it doesn't. It's not like you're writing a term paper and I think that's a people. When I say you know like you might want to get a journal, they're like, oh really have to journal, have to write. It's not like that. It's really it's so helpful and you feel so good after you do it. So that will definitely get linked in my show notes. And, rebecca, I want to thank you so much for just coming on today and talking about your seven pillars of abundance, and I love the word abundance. I think it just sounds so positive and like forward thinking and sounds like that's what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really would just want to leave your listeners with this. Like you're the perfected age and you are enough and you're beautiful with any body type, any age. And I know this sounds so cliche, but beauty comes from within and mirror work is so powerful. Like look yourself in the mirror every day and we're so used to looking at oh, I have a zit, I have a wrinkle, I have this, I have that, I have a double chin like look at yourself in the mirror for five minutes a day and look at what you love about yourself and you might not even have anything at first, but just, oh my God, I, you know, I like your nose, I like your hair, whatever it is, and build and before you know it, you'll have a self love practice. And we don't have to feel like at you know, as women that are at a certain age, that we're not valuable anymore. We are even more valuable because now we have wisdom that we can help others with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so true. I mean you have to really love yourself first before I think you can shift anything in your life. I mean you have to come at it with some just some self love and compassion for you first.
Speaker 2:So yes, self compassion and that's the last thing I'm going to say like changing how I talk to myself in my own inner dialogue has been life changing, because I'm a recovering perfectionist and that is why I had eating disorders, because I was so mean and harsh to myself and when I started talking to myself in a more loving way and I still catch myself being a vicious taskmaster and I'm like Nope, be easier, be more compassionate. How would I talk to a best friend? And I think self compassion is an amazing, amazing antidote for any kind of angst about going through menopause or body image issues.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I think it's. I think it's it's a game changer, or you know, just going through this experience right now and all that we are are going through. So, rebecca, thank you so much. I appreciate your time and I know my listeners are going to love this conversation.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me on your show, Heather.
Speaker 1:Thanks, have a great day.
Speaker 2:Thank you, you too.