73. Joy and Purpose in Midlife with Reina Bach

Rediscover the joy of life's second act alongside executive coach Reina Bach, whose expertise in leadership development and coaching shines through our discussion about overcoming the stereotypes of midlife.

As we peel back the layers of personal narratives that often lead to what some women might call a 'midlife crisis', Reina’s insights encourage us to reframe our internal dialogue and embrace the transformative potential this chapter of life holds.  As women navigate shifts in identity post-motherhood, this conversation illuminates the path to unlocking a world brimming with new purpose and joy.

Reina and I talk about trying to shift out of planning mode and into being mode. To simply find the joy in things you love, with no pressure of an outcome. Finding activities and hobbies for the pure joy of it.

This episode is an invitation to celebrate simple, inspired actions that draw us closer to our forgotten loves, all while teaching the virtue of patience in an age that often demands instant gratification.

Every small moment holds the potential for joy, and how through mindfulness and a heart-set approach, we can cultivate a state of joy that resonates deeply and durably in our lives. Reina helps people find themselves and to find true joy and purpose again.

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Speaker 1: 0:40

Hi, rena, welcome to the show. So today I am happy to have Rena Bok with me because she is going to talk to us about reconnecting to our joy in midlife and the secrets behind how to do that. But first let me tell you a little bit about Rena. Rena has over 30 years of experience, both as a leader and a leadership development consultant, executive coach and facilitator. Her mission is to raise the frequency of joy in her clients, in both their professional and personal lives, because she believes happy people have a greater positive impact in and for the world and they enjoy themselves along the way, elevating their organizations and their communities.

Speaker 1: 1:28

So you say that you feel called to help those who feel lost and are searching or in transition and trying to figure things out, or they're numbing and want to feel engaged with their work, and even they might even feel disconnected and wanting a deeper sense of joy and fulfillment in work and in life. So welcome to midlife. My parents' generation called that a midlife crisis and maybe that's what it still is. This feeling of this is it. Is this it or that nagging feeling that time is ticking, life is by night and we haven't done everything that we want? Does this sound right to you that we women get into midlife and sort of have this crushing feeling sometimes of this is all that my life is about.

Speaker 2: 2:25

I think that's definitely a possibility and I think you know what's interesting, heather, is I have people in my life who are just a little bit older than I am maybe just a couple of years and I feel like my life is expanding and growing. And to listen to their narrative around and how they talk to themselves and other people Well, I'm just getting old or I'm forgetful, I forget things now and it's just I'm getting old. So I listen very carefully to what they tell themselves, because they're sharing it with me, and I wonder, gosh, if they're sharing it with me, how much of that dialogue is going on inside their head every single day? And so they have they train themselves to think that they're old and that this is it with their lives. There are some people like that, and you know as much as I try and have those conversations with people to say, gosh, you know you're not old, but if they're not open to a different story, then that's the path that they're on. But there are other people.

Speaker 2: 3:43

I just had a long conversation this morning, heather, with a client of mine. We worked initially together 20 plus years ago. She was 51 years old when we started working together and she ended up changing careers based on the work that we were had done together. But to hear her now, heather, she's 75. And she is happier than she's ever been, but she's just taking these next few weeks before the end of the year to get an additional certification, and she's a wellness coach. And so if you juxtapose those different positions in the thought process and what's possible and really believing that life can be what you want it to be, versus being resigned to this is the way life is, and I'm just going to ride it out those are two different ends of the spectrum, and so I really think that it starts with the outlook that you have, and so much of that also, heather, has to do with the people who you're surrounding yourself with. Has that been your experience as well?

Speaker 1: 4:59

I think so for me and for the people I work with as a nutritionist. I see a lot of women in midlife and a lot of their identity has been as a mother. So now their kids are grown and flown and so that is gone and their bodies are also changing a lot. Women are gaining weight. Women are let me reword that Women are just going through a big transition physically Not all women, but a lot of women, and we're losing our estrogen and everything. So I mean it's just inevitable. But that a younger body, being a mom, a busy mom, those things have been their happiness and their joy. And I think there's a sense of loss with just getting a little older as a woman and realizing that you're not going to get these things back. And so, especially for women who are just like stay at home moms, I mean they're like what am I doing now for the rest of my life, which might seem like just a cavernous period of time, does that?

Speaker 1: 6:14

make sense, I know you work with a lot of corporate women and who are in the corporate world, who are busy, who are working, but I think it's not that much different. I mean, you could be a midlife mom and also be working in a full-time job and just feeling like I've been doing this job for the last 25 years. Like is this it? Like is this really making me happy?

Speaker 2: 6:38

Absolutely. I think that there are a couple of things that you hold out of there, heather, is that it's the busy mom being active. Okay, now the kids are grown and flown Love that phrase. And so, with the physical changes, but there's also facing who am I now? So I think that the phrase midlife crisis for our conversation, we might want to consider as an identity crisis, and because, as moms, I did this too I wrapped up my identity in my kids. Yes, I'm working with clients too, but it all comes down to what are our values, where time is a finite resource and yet we continue to place infinite demands on it. So we have invested our time as mothers and making that a main focus in the experience that we want to create and provide for our children, and also working moms too. Right, balancing, doing that balancing act. But when the kids are now grown and flown, who am I now? And I find this and I went through my own identity crisis, I will say relative to corporate women as well they get to a point of success in their careers this is my experience when they say is this all there is? So they're really looking deeper within to say who am I now? Where am I headed? What am I going to create? And that can bring up a lot of fear, because same thing with the mom kind of standing at the precipice and saying, ooh, what's next, who am I? And so I think, having someone like you, heather, walk by their side to help them through those physical changes right, because those cannot be understated. Right, the body changes. We're not the same body, and if we've carried our own children, we're definitely not the same body. And so there's the hormonal shifts that we go through, but there are also the other things that may come with this beautiful wisdom, the wisdom of the body. And so listening to our bodies is huge. And in honoring the stage at which we're in this point of our lives, but also being kind to ourselves to say we may not have it all figured out, and allowing ourselves to be in the question who am I now? And the where to from here, what do I want to create? And so, in my experience, even allowing ourselves to ask those questions, giving ourselves the freedom and permission to be in the I don't know and I'm not sure where I'm going, and but also allowing yourself to believe that this is going to work out and I'm going to make this next chapter of my life amazing.

Speaker 2: 9:39

So, for the corporate women, it could be what do I want to go do now? I, with a number of my clients, I it is interesting because they've they've leaned on relationships, romantic partnerships, husbands, let's say, and, and maybe that those relationships have run their course and so now they're looking at hmm, okay, is it time to make that change? There's a whole lot under that, that shift, that change that would have to take place on many levels. It's not a decision to take lightly, but maybe the the, the risk of staying on course and in that relationship is too great to their own well-being on all levels physically, emotionally, psychologically, financially right, it depends, um, so, looking at that type of shift, or could be gosh, I've always wanted to go start a nonprofit, or I've always I've wanted to volunteer more time, or you know what I? I made a point in my life when I want to bump up my impact in an organization. I've been managing, let's say, this division, but maybe I want to go run an organization or get on some boards and have a bigger legacy impact. So it really it really varies on what that looks like, but I think, going back to the.

Speaker 2: 11:00

The midlife crisis, really, for me, I would say it's more of an identity crisis, and that's a calling in my, in my verbiage, is a calling of the soul to say, okay, where do you want to go now? What do you want to do to have that deeper meaning and fulfillment? And so, oh, I forget the author's name. Um, but not letting the music die within you when you go.

Speaker 1: 11:33

Yeah, that's nicely said. I mean, I think that you just answered that very well and I think you mentioned what you did mention right at the beginning was fear. You know that I think women get stuck in fear. I mean, and I and I know I mean I know this personally and I know this just from other women and people I've talked to that you know the possibility. I mean you you mentioned a couple of possibilities right In your career and everything but possibilities can feel overwhelming because there's a billion possibilities and they can feel really scary and then you can definitely land in the I don't know yet.

Speaker 1: 12:15

You know, I don't know yet. But that can then also bring up some fear of what if I never know, what if I? You know, what if I? What if I just don't know and I just sit here and like ruminate in this in this space. So what would you, what would you say would be, what's the first step, you know, to find more joy in midlife when you are dealing with your career and your bodies and you know all of it? What would, what would be the first step that you would do to work with a individual client?

Speaker 2: 12:48

Well, one of the key things is, heather, is not beating yourself up for where you're at and for not having it all figured out. Our in our society, our culture that we live in, we have this need for control and from my perspective, it's really a way to manage the fear of the unknown. And so, I think, being kind to yourself in your inner dialogue and how you show up and care for yourself so, from a person who's on the other side of menopause, right, managing that and honoring your body and not being mad at yourself for going through these changes, but so that inner critic we call it, so see if you can turn down the volume on on her, so that she's not ruling your life and your choices and limiting what those might be. So for some of us, heather, that takes a lifetime to build that muscle of being kind to ourselves. If we were, some of us had to relearn that from, or just learn it period. So there's that, and so allowing yourself the freedom to be in the unknown.

Speaker 2: 14:14

William Bridges is an author, consultant, and I go back to his transition model and he applied it to organizations and it also applies internally, it applies to individuals and the first stage is is there's a change and the change may be external to ourselves. Right, something happens we, we get divorced, we get a new job, we move, whatever that is, and then there's that kind of the neutral zone which is the in-between of not knowing. And so in that neutral zone, we we often want to jump to get to the other end of it and have it all figured out. That's in his, his words and in my own experiences. That is that's the juice in life, because it gives us that time period, if we can allow ourselves to bathe in that unknown and the fear and all of the emotions that may come up, like fear, anxiety, stress, even look so looking forward or looking backward, it could be guilt or regrets, so allowing ourselves to stay in the muck of that. But also out of that that neutral zone comes our creativity. And so if we can not want to hurry up and get to the other side to have it dialed in, and then the other side is, yes, it's so, it's a new beginning, so we have endings that neutral zone in the new beginning, and so oftentimes we look at the external change and we just want to get to the other side. But but this is the internal transition that allows us, on a emotional, psychological, even physical level, for us to really create a new beginning, and so I would encourage people to get permission to stay in the neutral zone, stay in the question, stay in the neutral zone and be kind to yourself, particularly the inner critic we're not having it all figured out, and I mean. Other other things would be to get a journal course that journaling is just so therapeutic on many levels, but something that you will read and no one else will and have honest conversations with yourself.

Speaker 2: 16:46

And, gosh, if, if I could rate, wave a magic wand, what would my life look like? What did I used to love doing when I was a kid that I no longer do? One of my clients, he, was a, an engineer at a big global company, and we had these conversations and he realized that he missed photography, and so he started picking up photography. He started putting it out online just to share with people. Well, he had so many requests that people wanna buy his work and it's not his main gig, but it feeds his soul. And so those are two questions If I could live a life that I wanna live, starting now fresh, late, and I actually call this an etch-a-sketch. If you let yourself kind of start over, what would life look like and what did I used to love doing as a kid, or even in teens, that I no longer do? And then take that first inspired step or the next inspired step.

Speaker 2: 17:59

We, our minds, wanna go to my mind too.

Speaker 2: 18:02

Project plan, okay, okay, yeah, I'm going to, I'm gonna do some painting, I'm gonna set up a studio and this, and that Already our left brain is halfway down the court or the ball field when our right brain is saying hold on there, hold on there.

Speaker 2: 18:21

So finding that balance between the left and the right brain, so that creativity and the space to look at possibilities, and then the right brain comes into solve, or the left brain comes into solve and get the plan going and move. So I think from a broader perspective, heather, it's allowing ourselves to stay in our heart space Call it your heart space, your right brain before we engage our minds to problem solve and get it done. And so that's that neutral zone, allowing ourselves to bathe and bask in the unknown, because we're gonna, if we don't let our left brain shut down and move and set up the project plan, our right brain brain might come up with some other things, some other possibilities that we never allowed ourselves to think about. We might find inspiration in conversation, in nature, in journaling that we weren't able to access because we were always go, go, go as a mom or a corporate leader.

Speaker 1: 19:32

Really great points. I think, just as you're saying, the painting thing, because I have recently started taking some painting classes. But I understand this. Rather than looking at it just step by step, just go buy some paints and some paint brushes I'm already out in, I can go out into left field. Well, what if I want to maybe sell my paintings and I'm already like 10, 20 steps ahead? Wait, I can't do that, how do I even do that? And then it can unravel, right. So these like, and then you can go into some overwhelm. No, I have just taken it step by step.

Speaker 1: 20:15

But I am guilty of doing that of, like you know, thinking like, yeah, I really love to do Bill in the Blank, and then it just gets it just snowballs and gets out of control and like, forget it, I'm not going to do that because it just feels like too much.

Speaker 1: 20:31

But I think that just sitting with that right practicing that we have to be in a little bit of discomfort allows the space to come up with some ideas and to ruminate on things and to think is that really what I want to do? And just, but I know that many of us I mean we want quick ratification, right when I see women who want to. They come in and they have weight to lose and they want to lose it right now, you know, like there's no slow and steady process. Sometimes, I mean, we go through this and then we, you know, many people realize it's a process, right, it's progress, not perfection. It's a. It might be a slower process than the anticipation that they anticipated, but I think we, a lot of people, do have a need for, like this, quick gratification. I mean, we live in a world of quick gratification, right, you know, with our phones and social media and everything, so practicing just that, what do you call it? The neutral zone?

Speaker 2: 21:38

Oh yeah, william Bridges, and it's allowing ourselves to not race to have it all figured out and ruminate and to use cooking terms, because I'm a chef, you're a chef, marinate.

Speaker 1: 21:56

Marinate. Yes, yes, allow us to let it sit, so you?

Speaker 2: 22:02

so that's interesting. So you, you, you caught yourself, though, with the painting, right, you caught yourself and you said hold on, let me just go get some brushes and some canvases and allow some playtime. I threw that in right, and you light up, right, cause I can see you right now. It's like you light up when you think about allowing yourself just to play, right, and so, like kids do younger kids, before they get kind of indoctrinated, I'll say is they just do it for the sake of doing it and for fun, and there's no gosh. How am I going to make money doing my paintings, your paintings? How am I going to turn this into a business and make this and essentially justify, you know, by something that your heart might want to do and turning it into a business and because otherwise, ooh, how would I do something that I might really enjoy doing but not make it? You know, turning it into a business to make money.

Speaker 2: 23:09

Or and I've had this conversation with my mom she, she's in her mid-80s and amazing. She was a school teacher, elementary school teacher, super creative, and a number of years ago, I'll say 10 years ago, she would make what these purses, and they were called crazy purses and she. They were beautiful, cloth, purses, colorful, fun, and she would wear them to different and whatever. She went to a medical appointment and one of the nurses said can I buy one of those from you? So my mom made four of them for her and her girlfriends and I said you know, mom, this is my left brain kicking and, mom, you could turn this into a business. She was wise enough to say it wouldn't be fun and I would just be doing it to do it and and not for the joy of it.

Speaker 1: 24:11

That's a great story. I love that. Yeah, I mean the amount of times that I personally have said I mean, everything has the potential to be a moneymaker or a business. And and if I could just right sit with the hobby and do it for the sake of fun?

Speaker 2: 24:29

You light up, I can see your face, I said, and you light up when you talk about doing it just for the sake of fun.

Speaker 1: 24:36

Yeah, which feels a little like a guilty pleasure.

Speaker 2: 24:39

Yeah right.

Speaker 1: 24:41

Like I'm not so I should be producing something from it. I should be making money off of it. I should something should come out of it. I shouldn't just sit and paint, or you know, your mom making those bags just because it's fun, and so that's. That's another question that I have. That's a hard feeling of like we can just do this with no strings attached.

Speaker 2: 25:06

Yeah, I think that doing it with no strings attached and you brought up such a great point, heather, and that is the guilt, because the guilt is what's going to drive us into saying I need to turn this into a business, and once the left brain starts turning into kind of micromanage it, that actually shuts down that creative and it shuts down the joy of actually just doing it.

Speaker 2: 25:35

Ironically, if we were to give ourselves permission to be able to do more of the things and sprinkle in doesn't have to be all of what we do, because we live in a world where we, yes, we have to pay the mortgage or whatever else. But if we can sprinkle in those things that bring us joy and just for the sake of it, then it will actually feed our souls so that we show up as better people and more effective in the work that we do as our vocation. And for those of us and I am so blessed, I have to say I feel so blessed and I'm so fortunate because, and grateful because I am able to combine my joy and things that bring me joy helping women, helping men to recapture their own joy and be able to do it as my vocation I feel so blessed. So if you can't make the full transition, sprinkle it in without the guilt or the joy that's the inner critic that's going to come in. But if you can eventually combine the two and then you're really going to sail.

Speaker 1: 26:56

Yeah, that definitely takes some thought and work. But, yeah, not feeling like my time is spent being productive, doing something. I think a lot of women feel like that too. Is that just to play, you know? Feels like, am I not worth it, am I not deserving of it? That goes a little deeper. But I heard you mention before and I know that because we've talked about this that you do do something for joy and that you are also a chef right, a trained chef. So I just wanted to not gloss over that and tell me a little bit about that, how you became a chef along with being a coach.

Speaker 2: 27:42

Yeah, and I also love wine too, so I studied wine executive sommelier. But well, my grandmother was a chef and she passed away when I was very young. But I used to love to cook as a kid and when I was working in New York teaching investment classes at an investment bank. So, very left-brained, I was an engineer undergrad. I actually wanted to go to chef school out of high school but I kind of got guidance to go be an engineer, which I didn't even know what one was. So I was a software developer and one thing led to another, I ended up on Wall Street and so then I decided you know, this life doesn't really fit me. I love New York City, and so I checked into going to the French culinary institute it's now the International Culinary Institute in Soho and a girlfriend of mine and I got the literature, shared it with her, and then I decided to move to Colorado and she went on to. She was working full-time at an investment bank and she went on to go to the French culinary institute.

Speaker 2: 29:08

We stayed in touch as friends and 9-11 happened, and so I waited five days because I said, oh, karen works in Midtown, she might have lost some friends, and 9-11, I'll give her some time. So I ended up calling one night and a woman answered. I said hi, is Karen there? Long pause, and she said who is this? And I said this is her friend, reina. We worked together at Solomon Brothers in New York. Long pause, and she said Karen's missing. So Karen was the type of person who would walk into a room and light up the room and she was just excellent at everything she did. She also was chefing at a five-star restaurant. On the weekend she was a great mom, cyclist and VP at a bank.

Speaker 2: 30:06

So that moment for me, heather, I took a look at my life and said wow, my life feels like Groundhog Day. I feel like I'm recirculating this same experience every day. And that's where I felt numb inside. I felt like I was kind of flatlined, and so I made some huge changes in my life and ended up. One of them was to go live in Scotland for a little while and travel around Europe, which I did, finish my master's degree. And then I said the one thing that I've wanted to do for a long time is to go to chef's school. And so I went to and lived in New York and went to the French culinary institute.

Speaker 2: 30:55

That's where I discovered studying wine as well, and so that experience, karen, touched my life so deeply and so grateful to have known her, and so for me, food has always been a way to connect with the soul. And I mean, you're a nutritionist, heather, and so I'm preaching to the choir right, and so it is sustenance, it's connection, it's relationship, it is beauty. And one of the things that I love about the French culture is and a French man shared this with me he said what is it about the culture, the joie de vivre? And he said the French have a way of celebrating life's smaller moments, and even a cappuccino has a beautiful swirl on the top and the attention and, in my experience, art on a plate, and so just the attention and the excellence and going into creating the food and, of course, the wine and the experience of tasting a wine and taking yourself into the vineyard and the grapes growing and the warm sun and the process to create this beautiful bouquet and experience in a glass. So that's a long answer to a short question.

Speaker 1: 32:27

Well, no, I'm very glad that you shared that, because it sounds like you are your own best example of what you do now. Right Is that you were in a career I mean maybe got pushed into going into engineering and everything, and not exactly what was bringing you joy and happiness but that something tragic happened with your friend to prompt you then to seek out something that you really wanted to do and that you get a lot of joy out of, and that, even going further, you know, just which I think is a great point is that you can find joy in little moments. Right, it doesn't have to be what am I going to do with the rest of my life, you know. I mean it can be right, but it can also be just those little tiny moments in everyday living, like the swirl on the cappuccino. You know it can, really that can cultivate joy, Am I right? Am I going in the right direction? Absolutely, you are, absolutely, heather.

Speaker 2: 33:40

And I think that you know, going back to, and I've done some research on the distinction between happiness and joy, and you can find different descriptions out there and definitions, but for me, happiness is really more of a bleeding, temporary thing and the joy is more of a way of being, a state of existence, it's an outlook and experience in and with life, and so it's really a mindset I call it a heart set in looking for what's right in your world and building that muscle, because we are so trained biologically to look for danger and to mitigate the danger and manage the fear that comes up with all of that, so control and versus looking at life with a sense of curiosity and trust, and so it's different. And so if you have that heart set, that mindset which it takes some rewiring, and that's what I help my clients do is to cultivate that inner way of being and so that you are retraining yourself to look for those smaller moments and the cappuccino with the swirl on top or the heart, and I have I'm looking at my fireplace right now the mantle and I have a sign on it that says believe. Believe that life is good and whole and you are worthy and you are whole, just as you are, and sometimes that takes a lot of unpacking, that I help with my clients to help work at subconscious levels for some of these old tapes, old paradigms, limiting beliefs, so that we can kind of set those aside. They can set them aside to then open up this, the world, to new possibilities and take it one moment at a time. Yes, we can use our left brain to create a plan and do all of that, because I think we need both, but honoring and allowing, giving permission to that heart space, that new mindset, heart set of looking for what's right and what's good in our world. And you're absolutely right, it could be the most minute things that show up in our world. But if we're not and it comes back to Heather being present in the moment because we spend and Akartole wrote a great book, the Power of Now been out for a long, long time.

Speaker 2: 36:30

But if you, in his book he said, if you ask, I think it's a giraffe, you're in the jungle and you ask a giraffe what time it is, and the giraffe said what do you mean? What time is it? It's now, what other time is there? And so if we can allow ourselves to be more present and speaking with a food nutritionist yourself, using food and wine and our senses to help us move from our head into our bodies. Use our senses and really accessing that heart space. Again, that's what I love to help people do, and it could be the smallest of things, like you're sipping your coffee, you're not chugging it, you are taking a sip of water and you're really, you're present with that that sip of water. So it does take some, some intention and permission to allow you to build the, the attention to the moment.

Speaker 2: 37:32

Now, for me, I don't know about you, heather, I love people who do yoga. I've tried it. I've hurt myself a lot of times. I don't know how that was possible, but I did. And for some people it is meditating. Yes, I do a pause, practice daily, and going to church, spending time in nature is beautiful. I love that.

Speaker 2: 37:55

And so accessing I like to give people a different way to access the present moment and simple things like you're eating your dish, if you're, if you're out to dinner, what spices are you noticing in there, mmm?

Speaker 2: 38:09

Going to the supermarket with fresh, organic fruits and vegetables, taking the colors and the smells and the shapes, and just that. So from, from all of your senses and then what are you feeling inside? So, going back to, yes, life's smaller moments, everybody has access to them at any given time. And so, through the senses, through nature, through just allowing yourself to notice and it doesn't have to be full time, because we can't spend our all of our time, I'd say, given, in the world that we live in but if you can sprinkle in more of those moments of presence, it's going to elevate your, your vibration, your energy, so that then you can. That's one of the ways to help retrain yourself to look for what's right, look for what's inspiring and pay attention to what are you noticing? Oh, what are you noticing when you look at this beautiful majestic tree out in nature, as the colors are changing, what? Where do you feel that in your body? And so is there a kind of an invitation to enjoy all of yourself and everything that you can experience.

Speaker 1: 39:25

So yeah, I agree with that, noticing slowing down, getting mild, especially with food, right, we can both certainly relate to that. You know, just even when you're in your kitchen just chopping vegetables, just notice how does it feel, how does the knife feel in your hand, how does you know taking a breath, slowing down and just getting really mindful of smelling the soup cooking, all of that. I try to encourage that and it is a practice, I mean for sure. So it sounds like you've got a lot of tools in your toolbox that you use with your clients, reina. How can people get in touch with you? How do they work with you?

Speaker 2: 40:06

Well, that's a great question. Thank you for asking, Heather. So people can go to my website. It's reinabockcom, that's R-E-I-N-A-B-A-C-Hcom, and people can set up just an initial strategy session and a 15-minute conversation and I'm pretty quick to say, yes, I can help you or I may not be the right person. I have a broad network of coaches who I work with and who I could pass them along to if it's not a fit. But it's just a conversation I also have on my website. If people will email me directly, I'll send them a link to three audio podcasts that I've created, just very short, on some various tips to help them with their lives. So they'd get a series of three of those and I think they're maybe only eight minutes long. So if they want to email me directly, I'd be happy to send the link and it's simply reina R-E-I-N-A at reinabockcom.

Speaker 1: 41:13

Okay, well, great, and I will go a step further and put all those links in the show notes so people can get those that way and get in touch with you. Reina, thank you so much. I've had a great conversation with you today and really insightful tips and tricks and a lot of things to think about, just about cultivating joy, especially when we are entering midlife.

Speaker 2: 41:37

A lot to think about A lot to think about. And, Heather, thank you so much for the work that you do, because I think that it's unacknowledged for women and not really paid attention to the help that you can provide to them to help them through that transition in midlife. And so I wished I had known you a few years ago, I have to say, because I'm sure you would have helped me kind of manage a number of different things. So thank you for what you do. Oh, thank you for saying that. I appreciate it and you're because I would love to share this podcast with my social. How best can people reach out to you to get your help, Heather?

Speaker 1: 42:28

That's a great question. I am just my name Heather Carrie dot com, so www dot heather carry dot com, and then on there I have links to lots of free resources my blog, my recipes, my podcast and my coaching sessions and all that information on there. So that would be great, Thank you, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2: 42:52

Fantastic, Heather. Thank you so much and may you thrive and all of your listeners absolutely thrive in this next year, 2024. Right, Thank you so much right.