Real Food Stories
The question of "what to eat" can feel endlessly confusing, especially when we contend with our own deeply ingrained beliefs and stories around food. Blame social media, the headline news, and let's not get started on family influences. Passed down from generations of women and men to their daughters, it's no wonder women are so baffled about how to stay healthy the older we get.
As a nutritionist and healthy eating chef, combined with her own personal and professional experience, Heather Carey has been connected to years of stories related to diets, weight loss, food fads, staying healthy, cooking well, and eating well. Beliefs around food start the day we try our first vegetables as babies and get solidified through our families, cultures, and messages we receive throughout our lifetime.
We have the power to call out our food beliefs so we can finally make peace with what we eat and get on with enjoying the real food and lives we deserve. Listen in to find out how to have your own happy ending to your real food story. Connect with Heather at heather@heathercarey.com or visit her website at www.heathercarey.com or www.greenpalettekitchen.com
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120. How to Reimagine Your Next Chapter with Camille Wolsonovich
What does the next chapter of your life really look like? Whether you're dreaming of a slower pace, planning a big adventure, or simply craving clarity about your future, this conversation with Camille Walsonovich offers a fresh perspective on reimagining what comes next.
After 35 magical years at Disney, Camille found herself at age 50 searching for guidance on transitioning to her next chapter. When she couldn't find resources specifically addressing women's retirement experiences, she created My Aspirement - a movement helping women explore purpose and possibility beyond traditional retirement concepts.
We dive deep into the unique challenges women face during this life transition - from career shifts and caring for aging parents to health concerns and seeking meaning. Camille shares powerful strategies for navigating this "perfect storm" of midlife, including the concept of "backcasting" (envisioning different possible futures based on today's choices) and taking "micro actions" that build confidence through small, manageable steps.
For those feeling overwhelmed or filled with regret, Camille offers compassionate wisdom about extending grace to ourselves and recognizing how our values might shift during different life seasons. She suggests treating this transition like college - giving ourselves years, not months, to explore new possibilities for what could be a third of our lifetime.
The most refreshing takeaway? Retirement isn't about stopping - it's about starting a new adventure with purpose, possibility, and playfulness. Through community support and intentional planning, women can design futures aligned with their deepest values and aspirations.
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Hey everybody and welcome back to the Real Food Stories podcast. I know that, as time goes on, I am leaning into a season of my life that is very future focused. What my purpose is, and how do I go about realizing that? How do I want to live a healthy life? Is it just what happens when we start to get older? I think so because I know I'm not alone in this. I have friends and clients who are feeling exactly the same way as I am.
Speaker 1:So today we're going to dive into a topic that so many of us think about but often avoid until it's staring us in the face, and that is what does the next chapter of our lives really look like? Whether you're dreaming of a slower pace or planning a big adventure, or just craving more clarity and control over your future, I think this episode is going to be for you, because Camille Walsanovich is someone who helps people, especially women, reimagine what retirement and what's next can truly mean for you, not just in terms of finances, but in purpose. Possibility mean for you not just in terms of finances, but in purpose possibility and how we want to live. So, before we get into all the details, let me tell you a little bit more about Camille. After a successful and magical 35-year career with Disney, camille is now dedicated to her passion project, my Aspirement, which is a global movement reimagining retirement for women. Camille is a certified master coach, with a master's in human resources from Rollins College, complemented by a bachelor's in psychology from the University of Central Florida, and during her time at Disney, camille excelled in various operations and human resource leadership roles and played a pivotal role in establishing the Women's Inclusion Network, the first women's employee resource group at Walt Disney World. Her extensive experience in executive coaching, coupled with her transformative work at Disney, has made her a catalyst for unlocking potential in individuals, teams and organizations potential in individuals, teams and organizations.
Speaker 1:Camille is energized by the infinite possibilities available to women pursuing their aspirations, and her vision is simple yet powerful. Every woman deserves to be calm, believe in and share her best self with the world in ways that are uniquely hers. I love that. So hello, camille. How are you today? Hi, great, I love that. So hello, camille. How are you today? Hi, great, hi, heather. So let's just jump in and talk about a little bit about your journey. I want to hear a little bit about your magical 35-year career, and then what made you decide to pivot and transition to create your own space? My Aspirement to help other women Great.
Speaker 2:Thanks. Yeah, I started at Disney on a college internship at a really you know time of growth at Disney. So I got promoted pretty quickly through the ranks in operations and had a chance to play many different roles. I grew up in a military family so that was ideal because I loved doing different things, one of them including opening Disneyland Paris. So I was there for six months or so in Paris and after some time in operations I was put on a special project around managing labor, which is a huge big deal at Walt Disney World, which would also kind of move me into the HR ring. So I had a chance to support many parts of the business in human resources, including Disney advertising out of New York and all the businesses they have across the country.
Speaker 2:So really just a lot of great opportunities. I had really a great career. I loved everything about working for Disney but like anything else, corporate, it's a lot and it's a lot to be doing it while you're raising a family and everything else. So I always just envisioned a time in my life when I knew I might have an opportunity to do something different and when I went looking for it at about the age 50, I knew my timeline. I wasn't necessarily sharing that with anybody else, but I went looking for something in that space to help me make the transition and I couldn't find it. So my aspirant was really born out of something that I was looking for and couldn't find, and the research that showed there wasn't anything out there really compelling for women.
Speaker 1:So that's interesting. So you had a really sounds like eventful and great career, but you're ready to move on and do something next. You're kind of having that calling and you were feeling a little lost, I think, like so many of us, and so good for you then, for creating something to help other women, because we're all feeling, I mean, I know that I am definitely like what is my purpose in life and what's like my next, what are my next steps? So you then created a company called my aspirement and and it's tell me how then you work with women to help them some of the work and how it kind of got started.
Speaker 2:I'd been doing some work with a futurist at disney. We were doing long-term strategic planning with our clients, but a lot of those same concepts can be used to help you plan longer term for your own personal life. So I knew that I could use some of those concepts. Meanwhile I kind of grew up as a little bit of a neuroscience nerd, kind of following some of those concepts around gratitude and really making sure that you had kind of an eye for what your future held, etc. And I knew, if I could put those things together and make it simple for women, that I could create something that they might actually enjoy and perhaps prioritize in their life when they're likely not prioritizing themselves much.
Speaker 2:And I wanted to organize the concepts in a way that helped them kind of rediscover themselves a little bit, then explore these facets of their life and then help them kind of create an action plan or path or something around it. Because I think sometimes women are just overwhelmed. And you're right, purpose is such a huge part of what we all need and, again, purpose is often changing at this stage of life. So I wanted to give women, you know, a way to pursue that. Maybe you know. Plan for what would be next.
Speaker 1:So what are some of the the common patterns or struggles that you see in women who come to you, especially those that like like this transition. So you're in your 50s, you know, like just this time of we're so in between, so many things right, like maybe transitioning out of our careers, we're just wanting something, maybe not as stressful. We've got aging parents we're thinking about. I mean health issues are cropping up. We, we're in menopause. We're like oh, like all all the things are like happening and like we're not prepared for it.
Speaker 2:It's sort of a perfect storm, right, it's sort of the perfect storm, and so one of the things that we have to do that I wasn't necessarily over-focused on the beginning when I was creating it is helping women to find more about themselves. Nobody wants to hear it, but they got to do a lot of self. They got to do some self work, not into like a deeply I'm not a therapist certified kind of way, but from a coaching standpoint, helping people to kind of understand more about what they, what their motivations are, what they really love, what they're kind of far away from and spend some time, you know, believing and getting to know your worthiness Again, things like that, what you really do love, not for anybody else but for yourself. So there is sort of this big notion around that Finding that. There's also a big notion around making sure you understand as you look forward, where are the most maybe uncertainty and or the points at which you have areas that are most interesting.
Speaker 2:You start peeling this stuff back. There's probably one or two or three areas of your life that you want to focus on more and that kind of tends to get overwhelmed into just a little bit more order so that women can kind of build that path for themselves. But you're right, part of it is that they're overwhelmed, they're likely not prioritizing themselves and, just like you mentioned, from a health perspective, your health's not necessarily going to wait right, and it's probably just about in these ages that we're starting to realize that it's hard to put ourselves on the back burner much longer with any length of time. For us to be super healthy into the future, for that to be super, for us to be super healthy into the future, yeah, the time is now, I think.
Speaker 1:I think that it's like kind of the wake up call decade you know to to get it together like use it or lose it right now. But let me just back to like the struggles. I mean like these patterns or struggles, so overwhelm, I could totally see that I, I admit I definitely feel overwhelmed sometimes with, like I mean it just seems like there's a lot of unknown coming up with, you know, my mother who's aging, and I mean just with everything you know. Just it just feels very unknown and that feels overwhelming. What other things come up? I mean that there's just too many things to think about and to hone in. Yeah, there's too many things.
Speaker 2:So some of the work we do is to help women to kind of explore all these different facets. When it comes to your relationships, your health Money is not off the table. It's there. But at the same time, what is the concept of enough? What are the things that are a part of your legacy? How do you want to deal with your stuff stuff physical stuff, emotional, whatever.
Speaker 2:So some it's just sort of pulling apart this tight knot that just feels like a lot, kind of loosening it up a little bit and helping women to kind of see there's some things that maybe need a little bit more attention than others, and then you can put that in order. So that's part of it, and then prioritizing it in a way that allow them to like what do women prioritize themselves? When do they do? Maybe when they get together with their girlfriends. So a lot of it was like how can I put them where they, how can we meet them where they are, where they want to be anyway?
Speaker 2:And again, when women get together they can be pretty powerful together. They enjoy being together. So I wanted to make sure there was some community in it too, if they want that. You know we do some coaching one on one If they want that. It was about making some of what the content is pretty flexible because I want to make sure that whatever the overwhelm is or whatever their struggle is, it doesn't become an excuse for not kind of doing what they need to do in honor of themselves.
Speaker 1:I think community is so important. I definitely wholeheartedly believe that, especially around this age, I think we can start to feel really isolated and alone in this and maybe it looks like everyone else has their act together except for us, and just dealing with all the feelings can feel very lonely. So if you know that other people are Right, like even our, like everyone else has their act together except for us, and just dealing with all the feelings can feel very lonely.
Speaker 2:So if you know that other people are, Friendships, right, like even our relationships, are changing, you know, because maybe our primary relationship they're saying our relationships with our kids because of the way they're aging, our relationship with their parents, are changing and just helping to connect women with each other and maybe even with some resources that they don't have time to go look for. That would be interesting if they were just provided with it. To explore the topics a little bit more is what our goal is.
Speaker 1:Health and wellness is definitely something that I am personally interested in and I focus on. So I want to just ask about that a little bit, about that a little bit. Is that something that you see come up with women who are like kind of reimagining their future and their purpose is to focus on health and wellness? Because I know that there are some people. I've got some clients. I mean they can be very resistant because what was working for them back in their 30s is not really working for them now, but they don't want to like make a lot of change. So how do you work with people who are like resistant to changing?
Speaker 2:Some of it is to envision their future in different ways. So one of the exercises we do is to imagine their future in a couple of different ways. If you stay on this track that you are in the way you eat, the way you sleep, whatever what does your future look like 10 years from now, 20 years from now, whatever and then have them create a couple other alternative futures. What would happen if you change your diet? What would happen if you change the way you exercise, whatever? What would that future begin to look like? And what are you living for?
Speaker 2:A lot of people say, well, I would want to be able to lift my grandkids, like what would you want that to look like? Really look like. So they could kind of say, okay, well, if you want to be able to lift your kids, your grandkids, at that age, what would you have to do 20 years from now? Would you have to do 10 years from now? What would you have to do? Five and work backwards. So the foresight concept called backcasting, to help making it a little bit doable today. So even breaking it down to something simple as researching the gym that you're going to pursue, or this week I'm going to try one new recipe, because I know I can trade out something and create what I call micro actions to help women get the confidence from having honored themselves by keeping a commitment to themselves without being overwhelming. That's just one way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think thinking ahead into your future. I love that. I mean, I think you know thinking 10 years, in, 20 years, in what does your future look like if you do nothing? Right, you know, you know you've got some like health stuff happening and you do nothing about it. What does that look like? I think that's.
Speaker 1:I think that's really powerful exercise to do. I mean, I feel like I've even done that for myself in in different ways and, yeah, knowing that like I don't want to be 75 years old and like dealing with whatever health issue you know would come up, that I did, that I just chose to ignore, and so I think that can be really powerful. But I also think you mentioned, like you know, doing like micro steps, small steps, right, and and to help women get unstuck, kind of, or just you know, rather than saying like you better get your act together because by the time you're 75, you're going to be a mess if you don't right, I mean that's that's not effective either. But if you just do these micro steps, like try a new recipe, you know, research, the gym, what do you love to do, you know, for exercise, you know that those kinds of things, right.
Speaker 2:I think what I find with women, particularly when it comes to health, is like one of the things that will stop us in our tracks is if we or someone else we know gets medical news that has to be immediately dealt with, right Like. I just feel like anytime you've gotten that, call your doctor or your test results are whatever, I feel like we all just wait for that, instead of just thinking what if it wasn't waiting for that? What if we could just imagine a world where that will never happen? But I just feel like we just need other things. That literally stops in our tracks to promote a different behavior set, and it's hard. I get it. That's why I think I feel like community helps and accountability helps, and I don't have all the answers. I've tried lots of things too, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think that that that people do kind of try to dodge the bullet, you know, until it like maybe gets them. They get the lab reports that's when I see a lot of clients too is that they come to me with they've got high cholesterol or their A1C, their diabetes markers are high, and then now they have to do something. But yeah, if you could get them before that even happens, that would be really great too.
Speaker 2:If they could imagine a world where that was, just you know, their best life, was still there and they could actually do something about it. And I feel like even when they get results like that a lot of times, then the treatment becomes you're right medical. It becomes medicinal. Food is medicine, right, so we can help one see that sooner. A lot of it is about peeling that back all the way to the behaviors. Or how did they grow up? What did food really mean in their families? How does it play out? How does it change now that you're not cooking for a family, et cetera. It's just stopping to explore some of those things and giving women permission to consider what would be different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I mean, I guess then that goes into like this mindset kind of trait, right? I mean, there's like this you can look at things like a couple of ways. So I mean, what role do you think mindset plays in planning your future? It's so huge.
Speaker 2:It's like the first thing, it really is the first thing. And so many women I don't want to say they don't want to hear it, but we've got to start there. We've got to kind of do some work to really help them to think about things from a point of gratitude. We've got to help women think about how they are really when they've been successful, changing something they haven't, so we can kind of employ some of those same strategies into whatever else has to change. Coming up, you know, and really getting at helping them to explore what they really love, would it be to your point? What, what movement might they enjoy? What food do they recall enjoying, like?
Speaker 2:How many of us have, like, totally changed our diets because of whatever our kids like or whatever something else is happening in our life? So mindset's huge. It's got to come first and we do some work around it on purpose, just because everyone's going to kind of come at it from a place of curiosity and worthiness and what they deserve. I think that's it. It's huge. It's hard, though. Can you imagine how hard that is for women?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I can, because, well, especially when I mean you just said like worthiness and I mean you have to, I think come with a sense of kindness and compassion too, especially when it comes to changing your physical body, everything Otherwise you're you know. I'm just thinking about like women just being on and off diets their whole lives. I mean diets are so punishing and and we're used to that, right, we're used to like women, I think, are very used to like just punishing themselves on diets or like berating themselves and and that never works in the long run. Right, that's like short, little short term fixes. So, yeah, so I think the mindset shift is is definitely the foundation for any change.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Health and wellness.
Speaker 2:The work you do too around. You know food and nutrition and making healthy choices and how that really does help you and feel better. It's not, it's not hoo-ha, right, like it's science, but it's. It's really hard and there's women probably working through some resentment. I let myself go, or you know how did I get to this place and whatever. And so, yeah, the relationships with food and everything has to be explored a little bit before we continue to move forward and talk about healthspan versus lifespan. That's another thing. We might all live long, but do we want to live long in what way?
Speaker 1:You know I think that's Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:If we can give ourselves. I think think about it that way.
Speaker 1:Definitely we want to right there's no point in living long if you're going to be really unhealthy and like sickly and everything, and I mean you want to feel good, so yeah. So I think that there is. You know, there can be some kind of like resistance. And I think my next question is like what, if?
Speaker 1:What do you do with women who just feel really behind, like, uh, I'm already 55 years old and I've lost so much time and I'm not just even talking about health or health and wellness, but all of it, you know, like financially? You know they didn't have the career maybe they wanted. Or I mean, how do you start with women? I'm sure you've talked to some women who have regret over how they, you know, spent their lives, or maybe they chose to be stay at home moms, and here they are in their fifties and they never got their career off their ground. And what are they doing now? You know that. I'm sure you've got, you know, a variety of different women that you speak to on this, and so how do you get women to just not feel like that regret?
Speaker 2:One place is to find a way to really instill a sense of grace in terms of where they are and what their history has led them to right, whatever choices that they made. You know, not make them bad ones. Everything happens and has happened in their life. So just kind of go back a little bit Again. Some of the work we do around change is to say you know, not make them bad ones. Everything happens and has happened in their life. So just kind of go back a little bit Again. Some of the work we do around change is to say when were you resilient? Like when? When have you done things to? You know, do some better things, whatever, just anything we can do to kind of like instill this sense of you can do these things and you can make some changes now.
Speaker 2:So for the woman that you know regretting losing their career, your career can start again.
Speaker 2:Like, let's put what you want to do with your purpose and how you want to contribute at this stage is part of your actions, and so that might be the path for the woman who gave too much to her career and they're so bitter about it.
Speaker 2:They want to spend time with their kids. That becomes their action step, but again really helping themselves to kind of give themselves some grace is a huge. It goes back to mindset a little bit and it goes back to this whole thing around understanding your values and then understanding your value. Because if you get really clear on what your values are like, you might've made that choice to step out of your career because your value was your family. So you might regret not having a career, but you made a choice based on your values. So if you do the same thing today to do some of the work to kind of really identify what those values are, then they can really begin to give themselves kind of some credit for the value that they you know, know your worth, you know and the value they continue to bring to make that transition into what they could do with it as they look forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great point. I think that your values might change, I mean, from being like a young mother to now being an empty nester. I mean your values might shift a lot and depending on the season of life you're in, right, but I think that's so important to hone in on what is really important to you, cause that's almost like a you're guiding light, right, you know, like you're a contract almost that you have with yourself, with yourself, but it gets, it gets really lost.
Speaker 2:It gets really lost in your life, though, when you're serving a corporate leader or something, or when you're leading a household, you know, full of kids and having to raise them, or you know particularly, you know single moms or whatever like it's all hard. So it's sort of like you might be instilling your values, or that you're helping your kids to know what they should value, et cetera. But it is kind of like turning it inward a little bit to get really clear, so that you could use those to make really intentional choices about your time, about your energy, about your resources as you look ahead, because ideally we're all going to live longer and healthier, and so what do we really want for not just the next few years, but could be potentially, like, you know, a third of a lifetime or whatever, and that's that can be daunting too. But if you can kind of break it down and see that as such opportunity, like there's no telling what they might be able to do with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a almost like a contract right that you have with yourself. That like, yeah, I guess you don't want to break Right when.
Speaker 2:I talk about like little, taking little actions. The other thing we try to instill is just trying some things out like and not being afraid to fail at them, because we also as women, we have this perfectionist thing too. Right, if you want to try pickleball, go find a place to try it, you know, let us know how it went, that kind of thing. Or you know it doesn't have to be. You know you're going to go buy a brand new set of golf clubs and take lessons for the next six months. You might go to a clinic on a Saturday morning just to see.
Speaker 2:You know those kinds of things. You say, don't be afraid to suck at something new. It's kind of a joke, but not really and be seen doing it, because right now we don't want anyone to see that we are not holding everything together. But we really won't know unless we try some of these things. If any of these things kind of like light the light that's maybe been a little dimmed in our soul because it's been so long, things like that, it's what we encourage women to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, women, I think, think, notoriously, are wrapped around this perfectionist mentality. At least in my world I feel like there's just a lot of perfectionism. I know for myself. I mean it's like you have to fight that all the time to not look perfect. And I think the fear too right, there's a lot of fear that goes into just trying right things. But I know like you, when you do try things and you get, you know, just push past your fear, you do feel really empowered, right, you feel a lot better about yourself that you totally. Because what's the, what's the alternative? Staying stuck where you are, I mean like where you don't really want to be? You know something else is out there and you have to go out and try.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just has to be. It just has to be this stage of exploration, it just has to be this adventure kind of mindset and, if we can, it just could be just about anything we want. But one of the stories I tell is a woman that always dreamed of. She always dreamed of owning a winery. She always thought in her future she would love to have a winery.
Speaker 2:When she really went through and did some of the work and visited one and she realized that it's just really dirty. You know, it's really dirty. She's like I don't know if I really love this. It's a lot of dirt. So, but if we don't try out things like that, she might now never choose to own a winery. But if she spent the next, you know, years dreaming of what this time would be in her life and she would already know that that's not her thing, she could be moving on to the next thing. So that's why sometimes just experimenting or taking small actions, it also just sort of like reignites you know a little bit more about who we who we really are.
Speaker 1:I think that's a great example. I mean you have to go and try and not be afraid to fail or not be afraid to realize that this isn't. For me I thought it was. I mean, it seemed like dreamy to own a winery and then, once I got in there, it was like it's dirty, it's hard work, it's a lot of physical labor, whatever it is, and and I'm not into it. Physical labor, whatever it is, and and I'm not into it.
Speaker 2:But if she really got to it, it's like what did you really love about that idea? She might've loved the community of having people for wine tastings, or she might really loved you know, something just about wine. Okay, what else then? What else is there, you know? What else could that be? That's not that so, but that's why it could be kind of this sense of adventure and that's why I love women in community. We can laugh about it or we can tell each other stories or we can, like encourage other ideas. That's what you know. We can be of service to each other.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, yeah, exactly. You can share these stories and be vulnerable and not be afraid to talk about your fears and or your things. That you kind of messed up and I love that with the winery. Yeah, it's one thing to be on on this side drinking the wine and having going to the wine tasting and looking, you know, making that look all like romantic. But then to own the winery is a definitely different, different scenario.
Speaker 1:So I just wanted to ask the topic of retirement. I know it just in my circle with friends and everything is definitely up. I have a, I have a lot of friends who are getting laid off from their jobs now in. You know they're like turning like in their sixties and that you know. So the prospect of retiring is kind of a. But I think for my age group that word retirement meant you just quit your job, you know, you stop working and then you go like sit on a chair in your house and you watch TV and it just seems I always just remember thinking like, oh, this feels like so bleak. But when is like a good time to start like really thinking about retirement? Is it 80 years old? Is it 50 years old? Is it like, is it? Do we have to be like, financially comfortable, is it? Is there some kind of a timeline that you see, I you know?
Speaker 2:it's funny, I don't. There's not one way, obviously, but what I do encourage is, like I don't know how you first started saving or thinking about retirement, but your model is probably built on something that you perceive from your past or your family, right? So what I'd love for women to do is to be thinking about it. You know, as they get employed and as they're saving money or whatever like, whenever you start saving for retirement is when you should start planning for it. I know that sounds crazy, but if we could encourage that kind of save some time and energy along the way for everything that's not financial too, that would be great. Now I also know that's a little unrealistic. If I was talking to a group of women my age, I'd probably be looking for a woman to say you know and it's not even an age because it's probably more related to your life stage but probably five to seven years before you might be thinking about it is when you obviously should have yourself all taken care of financially. But start thinking about these things and don't wait until you get to your retirement party to have people ask you what you're going to do with your time or whatever. So that would give you because I tell people the story about college. Like college is like a four to five year timeframe between, like when we're growing into our next career for the next 30 years of our life, and we give ourselves those four years to explore and be curious and try things out and meet fun people, and all these times of life we want to go back to because it was such a great time. There's no reason why this time in life shouldn't be about that long to be getting ready for what is going to be a stage of life that likely is as long, if not longer, than your first career. So people put that mindset a little bit around it, like, and it was fun and interesting, and like that like sign me up, yeah, like I'd want to go to the football games in the tailgates again, you know, or whatever, and that would be.
Speaker 2:But that's why. That's why if it gave them some years and not just months or weekends or a workshop here and there, you know that would allow them the time to explore some of these things fuller, fuller, more full. There's a ton of work to free up your space, get rid of stuff that you don't need to be able to plan for, maybe your next physical move, who knows? I mean that stuff just takes time to explore. So as much time as it takes 37 years to plan for it financially, there is that much kind of time and effort. But you know, could we do it with a few years? Absolutely, that helps answer the question in a long way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. I think my next question was going to be what's one piece of advice that you wish every woman like 40 and above? In their 50s would hear about planning their future. But it sounds like I think you answered it that we give ourselves the time to really start start thinking about it. Don't get yourself caught off guard All of a sudden. You're 60. And you're like what am I doing? You know, just give yourself some time to plan and dream. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I get in back in touch with those dreams and if you, you know, and find another woman you want to go through with I mean, we all have girlfriends that we make time for occasionally right, you know things like that Make sure that you've got a family or a partner or a spouse that you talk about it. You know that this is going to be something you're going to build into your you know the next few years, because it's important to make sure that those you know the years in the future are are planned well and are something to look forward to instead of something with such dread or fear, if that helps.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely Well, camille, this has been a fantastic conversation and I am excited to just start thinking and dreaming a little bit more and and being in your membership group. So I wanted to ask you how can people work with you or learn more about you? And I know, like I just said, you started a new membership, so tell us a little bit about that. Sure.
Speaker 2:Like always, find out more about us on our website, myaspirementcom. And also our new membership is my Aspirement Collective Again a monthly, topic-driven, low-cost, easy, nothing too hard to do. We're going to take one of these topics a month to explore it and again, participate as much or as little as you can with your time. We'll record some of the things, we'll grab some experts, provide some resources per topic, et cetera. That's what the month's going to look like, and so, again, maybe we'll put the link in the show notes or something like that. Definitely my Aspirement Collective. But you can also find us, my Aspirement, on all the social channels, and we've got information about the collective there too.
Speaker 1:Okay, great, I will definitely put those links in the show notes and I know people are gonna be interested and I think a membership sounds great, so women can gather together. You know they're busy, so like again.
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to create a forum where people can find us and engage without it being too much of a time commitment or a burden. But women owe this to themselves and their future.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 2:Heather Always good to talk to you.