Are You Afraid to Mess Up Your Relationship (225)

What if the fear of ruining your relationship is the very thing ruining it? In this episode, Emilia and Alan talk about how fear can quietly take over love, dating, and emotional intimacy. They share why conscious couples and conscious singles may shut down, avoid deeper questions, or act distant when they actually care the most. Through a real coaching example, they reveal how fear affects communication, trust, vulnerability, and self-regulation. You’ll hear why accountability, bravery, and change are key to building a stronger relationship from the inside out.

If you want healthier love, a deeper connection, and fewer fear-led choices, this episode will help you see what might really be happening under the surface. Press play before fear starts writing your love story in invisible ink.

Show notes:
(2:11) When fear quietly ruins connection
(4:00) Holding on without caging love
(7:31) How fear changes the brain
(10:54) Why deeper questions feel scary
(13:30) The Conscious Couples ABCs
(19:41) Self-awareness and self-regulation explained
(22:03) Accountability, bravery, and change
(24:13) Outro

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Transcript

Emilia Smith

(0:03) Conscious Couples, business partners, and individuals, welcome to the Conscious Couples podcast where we share our life, love story, and relationship expertise to help you consistently cultivate the most magnificent relationship possible.

Alan Lazaros

(0:18) Never again will you feel hopeless and alone in your intimate relationship challenges. (0:23) We'll help you have the courage to be your authentic self, communicate effectively, and constructively resolve conflict.

Emilia Smith

(0:31) Having accumulated thousands of hours coaching, speaking, podcasting, and hosting live events with conscious couples all over the world, Alan and I are here to guide you in all things relationships.

Alan Lazaros

(0:45) Thank you again for tuning into the one place where it's not about you or me, it's about the we. (0:55) Conscious couples and individuals, welcome back to another episode of the one and only Conscious Couples podcast. (1:02) Today we have episode 225, are you afraid to mess up your relationship?(1:07) This is actually take two because Emilia last time did woo with fear. (1:14) Little ghost. (1:15) Yeah, exactly.(1:16) So before we jump into this episode, I want to remind everyone why we are here. (1:19) We are here to improve your relationship from the inside out.

Emilia Smith

(1:23) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(1:23) Sweetheart, what is your intention besides ghost noises?

Emilia Smith

(1:25) My intention is to help the conscious couples and conscious singles that are listening to us not have fear drive you and instead have them work on the skills that we are working on with our clients so that they can live a more full life and actually have great relationships, specifically the ones that are those ones that are intimate.

Alan Lazaros

(1:52) Yeah, fear will trap us in a cage if we let it. (1:56) Yeah. (1:57) So the core of this episode, fear manifests itself.(2:03) We have a client, relationship talks, coaching, inside out program client who dated a woman for two different times. (2:15) They went on three dates the first time and then he felt like he screwed it up and then he reconnected with her again and they went on three more dates and the second time that they dated, she felt like he couldn't be emotionally intimate and didn't really want to get to know her at the deepest level and vice versa. (2:30) He kind of was incapable of going deeper and she wanted more emotional intimacy.(2:38) He is now potentially reconnecting with her and regardless of what happens with that, we know you're watching and listening. (2:45) He listens every day, actually trying to catch up on all the old episodes. (2:50) Yeah.(2:51) So regardless of what happens with this, we wanted to do an episode on fear manifests itself because he cared so much about this working that he actually ended up making it not work.

Emilia Smith

(3:04) It's actually a common thing, right? (3:06) We care so much and therefore we have something to lose and so we end up second guessing ourselves or doubting ourselves or acting all weird and stuff or quite literally what happens and we showed this client blood flow changes from the brain to just your limbic system and so you lose access to the skills that you did have, what you do care about. (3:26) Like so you don't actually show up as your true authentic self and that that definitely changes the dynamic when you initially started as that.

Alan Lazaros

(3:36) So I have a good metaphor for this. (3:39) Have you ever heard, I forget what song it is, but it says, hold on loosely, but don't let go. (3:46) Okay.(3:46) Well, this is before Emilia's time. (3:50) Growing up, my mom and stepdad liked classic rock. (3:53) I forget if anyone knows the song, DM me on Instagram or send it in the comments.(3:57) Yeah, exactly. (3:58) So hold on loosely, but don't let go. (4:00) So what this means is a drive to five between two extremes.(4:04) One of them is you're so afraid to screw it up that you hang on too tightly and your partner feels caged by that. (4:11) Okay. (4:12) Yeah.(4:12) You've been there apparently. (4:13) Been there. (4:14) And then the other one is you just are apathetic and don't care at all.(4:19) You need to be in the sweet spot of, yes, I'm fearful of screwing this up and I'm going to live courageously and vulnerably, which we're going to talk about the ABCs before we do that. (4:32) The conscious couples ABCs, which we just created, we're going to get into that in a second, but this is a place I want to go that I didn't expect to. (4:42) So I told Emilia that in my early twenties, I counted cards in blackjack.(4:49) I had a roommate of mine in college, his name was Evan and Evan saw my proclivity for gambling and my ability to win in blackjack. (5:00) And so he gave me money to play on his behalf as an investment.

Emilia Smith

(5:06) Wow.

Alan Lazaros

(5:06) What a smart guy. (5:07) Right. (5:08) Okay.(5:08) So yeah, he said, but when I give you this money, you can't play with scared money. (5:15) Interesting. (5:16) So there's a concept called scared money where I don't want you to no longer be objective because it's my money.(5:24) Because if it's my money and I lose it, whatever, no big deal. (5:27) But if my buddy trusts me and invests in me and we ended up winning a bunch, but he doesn't want me to play with scared money because in blackjack, it's all probabilities. (5:37) And if you count cards, there's something called a hot deck.(5:40) And he basically was fearful that because it was his money, I wouldn't do the objective rational thing because I'd be too emotional and too fearful of losing the money, which would then manifest into me doing the wrong thing and then losing the money. (5:52) Exactly. (5:53) So I think it's a good metaphor where you have to admit that fear is there.(5:59) You have to acknowledge and look that in the face, you have to accept it. (6:03) And then you have to move forward courageously, knowing that your tendency is going to be to over swing one way or the other.

Emilia Smith

(6:12) Well, I think what's fascinating about that metaphor love is that when it comes to money, that's very, very like, there's a lot to lose underneath that. (6:23) There's so much of our nervous system that's intertwined with losing money. (6:28) Just like in a relationship, our nervous system is as equally, if not more intertwined with priming the loss of any connection that we feel really deeply pulled to.(6:41) So for example, with this relationship talks inside out coaching client, this person was actually so attracted to this person and wanted to know this person way more, wanted to understand who she was, what made her who she is today, what made her the amazing woman that he really saw her as, as someone who out of all the people in his life has been able to help him feel safe to be his true self. (7:07) And so when that happens and we get around people that we really connect with on the intimate level, on the heart level, there's so much to lose. (7:16) So we quote unquote play with scared money.(7:18) And this is what that client had done. (7:19) He was afraid of losing matters of the heart. (7:24) And as a result of that, it kind of, it didn't leave him available to be courageous.

Alan Lazaros

(7:31) When I say be objective, what do you, what do you think about? (7:37) Because fear makes it so that your prefrontal cortex shuts down and you're unable to be rational. (7:45) And so when you're, when you care so much about someone or something, sometimes that ends up destroying the very thing you care about because you're incapable of being rational.

Emilia Smith

(7:58) And what we did with this client that you were on at this point in time, we had actually pulled up a 3d model of the brain and I had explained to him essentially what he's happening is blood flow. (8:10) It's not like prefrontal cortex text just shuts down. (8:12) There's a shift in the blood flow.(8:14) When we're fearful, we literally are fearful of losing something. (8:18) We shift the blood flow that's happening, our brain exactly to the extremities. (8:23) And specifically with the brain, it's not up here on that being rational, being the version of you that you want to show up with, with your partner, which also includes being vulnerable and whatnot.(8:34) Instead, you're just shifting blood flow down to, let's just say the amygdala and the hippocampus and not necessarily where you want the blood flow for something like that.

Alan Lazaros

(8:44) Fight, flight, freeze, fawn, trauma responses. (8:47) What was the other one? (8:48) Flop, fight, flight, freeze, fawn and flop.(8:52) And when you do those, so imagine you're fearful, you care so much about your partner that you're fearful. (8:58) So then you go into that trauma response, fight, flight, freeze, fawn or flop. (9:02) And then you screw up the relationship because of that.

Emilia Smith

(9:07) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(9:07) When if you'd be better off almost not caring or being empathetic, because then at least you could be rational. (9:12) So one of the things that I've found coaching couples is the more that someone cares about their partner, in some ways, it's almost more likely they screw up the relationship. (9:26) And that's really unfortunate.(9:27) You and I, in the beginning of our relationship, we both just said, don't screw this up.

Emilia Smith

(9:30) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(9:31) And a lot of people would say, well, if you're so afraid to screw it up, you're going to manifest screwing it up. (9:35) No, no, no. (9:35) We were being humble.(9:37) We were being humble and we were saying like, okay, I'm going to look this fear in the face. (9:43) I don't want to screw this up. (9:44) I'm going to do this one right.(9:45) And I'm not going to play so scared that I'm not actually authentically me, but I'm going to actually have the courage and vulnerability to be fully me.

Emilia Smith

(9:52) Exactly.

Alan Lazaros

(9:52) And hope that that is what's best.

Emilia Smith

(9:54) Yeah. (9:55) Yeah, absolutely. (9:56) Like roll the dice in that.(9:57) And one, just to kind of give some of the listeners some context for this client, when the woman in the relationship that when he was dating would ask questions about himself, like deeper questions about like not just surface level. (10:12) What's your favorite color questions? (10:14) But what's your relationship with your family?(10:15) What's your relationship with your family? (10:17) His stress response, he had gone into a freeze response and then he would shut down, which is the flop technically. (10:24) And she would take that as, okay, he doesn't want to let me in.(10:27) On the surface, what it looked like was him just, he avoided. (10:31) It was avoidance behavior of actually going and sharing vulnerably what that relationship was with his family. (10:38) And understandably, when you have a challenging relationship with anyone in your family and someone that's a prospect that you really care about, asks you about that, it's like what comes up inside of everyone is like, oh my goodness, how do I share with them the dynamics that are here and not have that scare them away?

Alan Lazaros

(10:54) So when you asked him, you ended up asking him, were you fearful that she wouldn't want to be with you because of that? (11:01) He ended up sharing that later. (11:03) And here's the other thing, the anticipatory anxiety comes up too, where if I tell her about my relationship with my family and then I'm not even going to ask her about hers because then I think it's going to come back.(11:16) So she felt like he didn't want to get to know her at a deeper level when in reality, he didn't want the question back. (11:23) He wanted to understand her and get to know her, but he was so afraid that if he asked, what's your relationship with your family? (11:29) She's going to ask him next and he's avoiding that too.

Emilia Smith

(11:32) And one thing that I want to add into this, we have discovered through our work with men and women in the zone of intimate relationship, gender wise, men actually really struggle with this. (11:45) They won't go deeper in terms of the questions like this. (11:48) So ladies, if you've experienced this now, I hope you can have a breath of fresh air or at least some relief because your intuition kind of knew.(11:55) Those questions don't go deeper because ultimately it's fear manifesting itself. (12:01) So they don't send out a deeper question because they don't know necessarily how to respond in that question or fearful in return.

Alan Lazaros

(12:10) So men will purposely, will unconsciously not ask about you because if you go deeper, now I'm going to have to open myself up and match that. (12:21) And since I don't believe I can, I'm going to just not talk about it and stay on the surface.

Emilia Smith

(12:26) Right. (12:26) Or I've never contemplated that before. (12:28) This client was so vulnerable with us, but this is why you and I appreciate him so deeply is because he's like, I've never really contemplated some of these things.(12:36) So many more people would prefer that vulnerable response as opposed to just avoidance behavior, because that's when I've shared this with you, what women will experience is that avoidance. (12:49) And then they'll start to ask, was it something that I said or something like internalize that avoidance instead of actually knowing it's a lack of skill that is a self-protective mechanism getting activated, aka fear beginning to manifest itself.

Alan Lazaros

(13:03) So the more you really want to be with someone, the more likely you fuck it up, basically. (13:12) And that is, it's so interesting. (13:14) Yeah.(13:16) Because we can't be rational if we actually really care. (13:18) We're invested, right? (13:19) The more you care, the harder it is to be rational.

Emilia Smith

(13:23) Exactly.

Alan Lazaros

(13:24) Yeah. (13:24) But that doesn't mean you can't. (13:25) You just have to learn how to do it.(13:26) Exactly. (13:27) So let's talk about this. (13:30) The ABCs, accountability, bravery, and change.(13:34) So the problem is you let fear win.

Emilia Smith

(13:39) Why does that happen? (13:41) I want to just do a quick pit stop on that. (13:43) What we're talking about in this is dysregulation.(13:46) And we've had episodes that talk about regulation and emotional intelligence. (13:50) Emotional intelligence, we often have this question come up from people like, what is emotional intelligence? (13:54) There's five different components.(13:56) And I'm just going to talk about the first one, which is self-awareness. (13:59) And then the second one, which is self-regulation. (14:01) So you need to have skills in order to be in a conversation with someone that you love and care or want to pursue in order to self-regulate that blood flow.

Alan Lazaros

(14:09) So how does someone know if they have high self-awareness? (14:12) And how does someone know if they have high self-regulation?

Emilia Smith

(14:14) Usually the person that says, I don't know myself at all, is the one that actually has been learning themselves more than the person that's like, ah, I have 10 out of 10 self-awareness.

Alan Lazaros

(14:24) I used to do an assessment with my clients. (14:27) This was three or four years ago. (14:30) And the manifestation equation, one of them is self-awareness.(14:34) And I'm going to use two different examples. (14:37) So the least self-aware client, he's no longer a client. (14:39) He did not have high self-awareness at all.(14:41) And we went through and we used to do zero to 10. (14:44) And we got to self-awareness. (14:45) He's like, 10.(14:47) I'm not kidding. (14:48) I'm not kidding. (14:49) And I was like, right.(14:51) The person who actually has pretty high self-awareness, she was like, oh, for me, I just don't understand myself at all. (14:56) And I was like, that is not your issue. (14:59) You know what it is?(15:00) You don't know the economy at all. (15:02) And she is probably listening, by the way. (15:04) It's funny.(15:04) But the truth is, is yeah, it's so paradoxical. (15:07) It's like someone saying, I'm so humble. (15:09) The first time you ever said I was humble, I was like, yeah, I've never identified as humble.(15:15) Thank you so much. (15:16) And you're like, that's exactly what a humble man would say. (15:17) And I was like, oh, am I humble?(15:19) So anyways, the point of this is we need to identify. (15:23) How does someone identify whether or not they're the one who's diluting themselves into thinking they're self-aware?

Emilia Smith

(15:32) I don't even know how to answer that or where to begin. (15:34) That's a whole conversation, in my opinion. (15:36) Maybe you have a better approach to that.

Alan Lazaros

(15:39) If your gut, if your quick reaction is I'm super self-aware, you're definitely not.

Emilia Smith

(15:47) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(15:47) If you're contemplating and going, I think I am, then you probably are. (15:52) You're more than most people.

Emilia Smith

(15:53) Yeah, exactly.

Alan Lazaros

(15:54) And again, this is all dependent on statistics and all that kind of stuff, too. (15:57) Yeah. (15:58) Number two is self-regulation.(16:00) So this one isn't as difficult. (16:02) If you aren't self-regulated, you have a really hard time controlling your own temperament and your own behavior. (16:09) Right.

Emilia Smith

(16:10) So this, for example, this is where people go initially to temper, but dysregulation is also not the explosive type. (16:20) It's also the collapse and the avoidance. (16:22) And that's what this client was going through.(16:23) Very dysregulated and then would avoid.

Alan Lazaros

(16:26) Can you articulate for us what you would observe if someone was good at self-regulation?

Emilia Smith

(16:32) Yeah, likely if like in the moment, if they were like kind of sitting together. (16:36) Yeah. (16:36) No, in general.(16:37) Oh, okay. (16:40) What you would see in a person is that they're breathing usually from the bottom of their belly. (16:45) So their diaphragm, they're not up here.

Alan Lazaros

(16:48) Fair. (16:48) Let's do better. (16:50) Who's someone who you think is very good at self-regulation?

Emilia Smith

(16:55) Someone that I can say. (16:58) Don't give me a name. (16:59) Just think of them.(17:00) Do you have them in your head? (17:01) Yeah. (17:01) I was going to say in context, I would give this to Bianca Thomas, my partner.(17:07) Okay. (17:08) At Evolve Ventures. (17:09) And I would say that because obviously she's someone who is well-therapied, but she's also really worked on her regulation skills.(17:16) Perfect.

Alan Lazaros

(17:16) Okay, good, good, good. (17:17) So Bianca, shout out to you. (17:18) And she's a client of mine as well.(17:19) So what would you notice about Bianca? (17:26) Like imagine no one knows her.

Emilia Smith

(17:28) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(17:29) And we all hung out. (17:31) What would you notice? (17:34) What would be observable?(17:35) One of the problems, you don't want to know why the inner work is so annoying. (17:38) There's nothing tangible. (17:39) It's so hard to notice.(17:41) There is.

Emilia Smith

(17:41) Usually at number one, so this is obviously there's asterisks to everything, but usually the pace by which someone's walking on their quote-unquote baseline, how they're breathing. (17:54) I know that's again, quote-unquote, not observable. (17:57) Their body language, when people are dysregulated, they're either way over puffed up.(18:03) Yeah, or shrinking. (18:04) Or really shrinking, right? (18:05) Shutting down.(18:06) So people that have a natural posture that's not over or under, that's very observable.

Alan Lazaros

(18:13) Yeah, that's a good one.

Emilia Smith

(18:15) That's a good one. (18:15) Posture is a good one. (18:16) Posture is a great way to share that.(18:19) We could keep going. (18:20) I mean, it depends on how they are able to stay present in the conversation. (18:24) Eye contact is a really good example.(18:26) People that are able to be dysregulated fast.

Alan Lazaros

(18:28) What would be some indicators of bad? (18:31) Because one of the ones that I go to, and I actually am curious of your take on this. (18:35) If you are unable of controlling your own behavior, I feel like you suck at self-regulation.(18:40) 100% on my part.

Emilia Smith

(18:41) Because it's just impulse control.

Alan Lazaros

(18:44) Like I tweaked my knee in the gym yesterday a bit. (18:48) And I had to sit with it. (18:50) And I was like, okay, and you knew.(18:51) You knew. (18:52) Oh, yeah. (18:52) And I was like, okay, Alan, what can you do?

Emilia Smith

(18:54) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(18:54) Like this happened, you're frustrated. (18:56) But what can you do? (18:58) All right, we're going to do some abs.(18:59) And then we're going to go for a run. (19:01) And I was slow at first with the run. (19:02) And then I saw what I could do.(19:04) I just, I'm not going to do heavy squats today. (19:06) I had to work through the discomfort of my own mistake. (19:09) And then get back on the horse toward my goals.

Emilia Smith

(19:13) The opposite would be you slamming gym equipment around you, externalizing your behavior and exploding.

Alan Lazaros

(19:19) Or shutting down completely, leaving the gym.

Emilia Smith

(19:21) Or just moping.

Alan Lazaros

(19:22) Yeah, exactly.

Emilia Smith

(19:23) I think we should kind of get back to what we had written down, which is the fear manifesting itself, right? (19:29) We got on this because the fact that dysregulation that was related to the blood flow that we talked about. (19:34) But when you really care about something, your behaviors start to change because of likely the dysregulation.

Alan Lazaros

(19:41) So self-awareness is these are the things that tend to throw me off balance or off course. (19:48) Right. (19:48) And for him, it was talking about family.(19:50) Nice, nice. (19:50) And then self-regulation is when I do get thrown off the horse, how quickly do I get back on and back to center? (19:56) Exactly.(19:57) All right. (19:57) And then so the solution, so the problem is you let fear win. (20:02) You actually do care and you either overly blow out the candle by smothering it or you pretend you don't care at all, which destroys it.(20:11) Right. (20:11) And then it dies on the vine. (20:12) Right.(20:12) Present the solution. (20:13) ABCs, we got to go here. (20:15) Accountability, bravery and change.(20:16) These are the CCP, conscious couples podcast ABCs. (20:22) This is the solution.

Emilia Smith

(20:23) So last night when I was on the call with him, I had asked him a couple of true or false. (20:28) And this was earlier this week as well. (20:29) I said, true or false, you're fearful that you sharing about this family stuff would scare her away.(20:35) And he said, true. (20:36) And I said, OK.

Alan Lazaros

(20:37) Oh, yeah.

Emilia Smith

(20:37) I was there for that. (20:38) You were there for that one. (20:39) The one last night that I asked him, I said, so you're fearful that that scaring away would happen again if you were actually to be vulnerable.(20:48) And let me ask you this. (20:50) Do you believe in your ability to apologize if you do mess it up? (20:53) And he's like, yeah.(20:55) I was like, are you someone who takes accountability? (20:58) You take ownership. (20:59) You apply your work ethic even if you don't know how to make things perfect.(21:04) He's like, yeah. (21:04) And I'm like, OK, so if you do mess it up, likely your brain is skewing you to the worst case scenario, catastrophizing, et cetera, and what that's going to do. (21:13) And therefore, she's going to be unforgiving.(21:15) Is that fair to say? (21:17) He said, yeah, actually, I was so surprised at how well she took my apology for messing things up before. (21:21) I said, awesome.(21:23) So that's how the ABCs go.

Alan Lazaros

(21:23) Because of people in the past that were unforgiving and didn't take apologies well, or use them against him. (21:30) So he's essentially fear was manifesting itself. (21:37) His fear was screwing it up.(21:39) Therefore, he wasn't vulnerable. (21:40) Therefore, he screwed it up. (21:42) And this is what sabotage really is, essentially, is it's unconscious self-sabotage because you actually do care where she took that as, OK, he doesn't care to get to know me.(21:51) And it's the exact opposite. (21:52) He actually cares about getting to know you so much that he actually shut down instead of leaned into courage, which is why courage, humility and vulnerability is so important. (22:00) So important.(22:01) Accountability, bravery and change. (22:03) The ABCs of the Conscious Couples podcast accountability. (22:07) I did that.(22:08) It's on me. (22:10) Bravery is do the thing you're afraid of. (22:13) And change is positive behavior change as a result of getting better.

Emilia Smith

(22:20) Right. (22:21) So I shared with him that this was inspired as a result of the secret life of Walter Mitty. (22:26) But you're watching a movie club and the whole premise of it is living life is by the ABCs.(22:31) And per that movie, it's adventurous bravery and creativity. (22:35) And I said, live by the ABCs, at least with your interactions from here on with her, because that will override the, quote unquote, fear. (22:42) But the ABCs of the we are so powerful because accountability.(22:48) Bravery and change. (22:50) The we BCs. (22:51) The we BCs.(22:52) Those will change everything when it comes to fear. (22:54) And honestly, if you live by that, you will not have fear manifesting itself again and again.

Alan Lazaros

(23:01) Real quick. (23:01) Plug movie club for everybody.

Emilia Smith

(23:03) Movie club. (23:04) Evolve movie club. (23:04) We watch a new movie every single month.

Alan Lazaros

(23:06) And the link will be in the show notes to register. (23:08) Correct. (23:09) Registration is free.(23:10) Registration is free. (23:11) I'm there. (23:11) I've been everyone.(23:12) It's a blast. (23:13) It is.

Emilia Smith

(23:13) Yeah. (23:14) If you want to go deep with people who are for evolving to become their best self, we watch movies as an excuse to do that. (23:21) And then we get together once a month to discuss it.(23:24) So to become a member, it's free. (23:26) Go ahead and click that link.

Alan Lazaros

(23:27) Yeah. (23:27) It's a private behind the scenes in Zoom virtual gathering. (23:30) It's a great space where you can contemplate your own life through these films.(23:34) Awesome. (23:35) Huge fan. (23:36) Also, on the 18th of June, we have a free relationship talks virtual event.(23:40) This will be our 60th event. (23:42) And if you have not done your free relationship talks coaching breakthrough session with Amelia and I, that is a huge mistake on your part. (23:50) I always love making you laugh.(23:52) Do that now. (23:53) That is free. (23:54) It's in the show notes.(23:55) Anything you want to add before we go? (23:57) Don't let fear manifest itself. (23:58) Yes.(23:59) You are in control more than you think. (24:01) And if someone sabotaged a relationship with you on accident, maybe they cared more than you thought. (24:07) Maybe.(24:08) Maybe. (24:08) And, and, or maybe they're a dingus. (24:10) Okay.(24:10) I know you'd laugh at that too. (24:13) So as always, it's not about you or me. (24:15) It's about the we.(24:17) We'll talk to you next time.

Emilia Smith

(24:20) Thanks for joining us for another episode of the conscious couples podcast. (24:24) We love connecting with the conscious couples community. (24:27) So please check the show notes to connect with us and say hello on social media.

Alan Lazaros

(24:31) If you and your partner resonated with this episode, please leave us a five-star review at the link in the show notes and share this with someone you love until next time. (24:41) It's not about you or me. (24:43) It's about the we.(24:45) We'll talk to you next time.