Chub Rub: Fat Babes & Crop Tops

In this episode of Big Sexy Chat, Chrystal sits down with Candace Frank, the artist and designer behind Chub Rub Clothing, a brand creating bold fashion, art, and accessories rooted in fat liberation and unapologetic joy.

Candace shares how growing up fat and unable to find clothes that fit pushed her to start making her own. That creative spark eventually led to an MFA in Costume Design and a career designing clothing that refuses to hide fat bodies.

Together, Chrystal and Candace talk about reclaiming the word fat, challenging anti-fat narratives through fashion, and why clothing should feel good physically and emotionally. They also get into crop tops, cow prints, trolls on the internet, and the importance of building strong fat community spaces.

Candace also talks about projects like Fat Con, her art practice, and the new Fat Babes Club keychain project, designed to help fat folks connect and celebrate being part of the community.

This episode is full of humor, honesty, and a reminder that fat people deserve dignity, joy, fashion, pleasure, and space exactly as they are.

In This Episode

• Growing up fat and struggling to find clothing that actually fit
• Learning to sew and designing clothes for fat bodies
• Reclaiming the word fat and embracing fat liberation
• Why bold fashion can be political
• Crop tops, cow prints, and dressing for joy
• Responding to trolls with compassion (and sometimes humor)
• Building fat community through events like Fat Con
• Designing clothing up to 7X
• The Fat Babes Club keychain project and connecting fat community

About the Guest

Candace Frank is the artist and designer behind Chub Rub Clothing, a brand dedicated to fat liberation through bold fashion, art, and gifts.

She earned her MFA in Costume Design and has designed and produced costumes for dozens of plays, musicals, and operas. In 2015 she co-created Bawdy Love Clothing, a plus size lingerie and kink wear brand that operated until 2022.

Candace also co-founded Fat Con, a three-day fat liberation conference in Seattle, and in 2025 helped launch Seattle Fat Mall, an eight-month downtown pop-up featuring fat-centered makers and businesses.

When she’s not creating clothing or art, Candace enjoys painting, crocheting, reading tarot, and photography.

Connect with Candace

Chub Rub Clothing
 Website: https://chubrubclothing.com

Instagram: @chubrubclothing
 Facebook: Chub Rub Clothing

Transcript

New Host, New Era

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to Big Sexy Chat. On this episode, Crystal sits down with Candace Frank, the artist and designer behind Chubrub Clothing, a brand creating bold fashion and art rooted in fat liberation and joy. Together, they get into clothing, community, trolls, and what it looks like to live loudly and unapologetically in a fat body. Let's get into it.

Meet Candace Of Chubrub Clothing

SPEAKER_03 0:27

Welcome back to Big Sexy Chat. I'm Crystal, the co-host. Well, I used to be the co-host, now I'm the host. For those of you who don't know, Murph is gonna take a little hiatus from Big Sexy Chat, and we're gonna keep on rolling with the rolling with the dough, rolling in the dough, hopefully. And today I'm excited to have my first guest since we announced the hiatus by Murph. We're gonna miss her so much, but she'll be around. Anyway, I'm very excited. Today I have Candace from Chubb Rub Chloe. Hi. Hi, Candace. So thank you for being here today. Thank you. On a Sunday. Yeah, it's great to be here. Okay. I love everything you do. Thank you. I love everything you stand for. Thank you. You see me all the time on Instagram saying, that's right, eat that donut, bitches. Eat those cookies, assholes. Because we both know as fat people that doesn't matter what you do, people are gonna hate on you anyway. So you might as well eat the fucking thing on camera or whatever, because I don't know why people have disdain for fat people. Projection. Yeah, probably. And then um, nothing pisses people off more than someone who's fat, sassy, happy, secure, proud, and not dieting. It really pisses people off. Truly.

Reclaiming Fat As An Identity

SPEAKER_02 1:57

When did you come out as fat? That's such a funny question to me. I have been fat. I was born fat. I was a big fat baby. Same. And uh I don't know if I came out as fat. I've always been fat. And I've always been like, yeah, I'm fat. Even in high school, I made a bunch of badges for all my friends that said, Do these shoes make me look fat? Because I thought that was really funny. Like, of course, your shoes can't make you look fat. Um, but you know, uh I've I've always been a very large human being. I'm also six foot two. Um, I was 5'11 in the fifth grade uh and a size 18. Um, and that's this is my life.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Candace, I'm older than you, but um, did you ever have that era in your life where you had to wear like professional clothes to work?

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Lane Bright face. I was a kid before Lane Bryan existed. So I'm I might be older than you think. Um uh yeah, I mean, definitely grew up like having to wear men's clothes from Walmart. Yes, that was all that was available in my size. Um and then Lane Bryant, of course, when Lane Bryant came around, and then I think around the end of high school, Torrid started existing. And I had one pair of Torrid jeans that I wore and resowed back together over and over and over again until they were like only thread.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

It's before only fans, only thread. Yeah. Uh-huh. Like I'm sure you've had this experience a million times, but your thighs rub together and it makes a big hole in your thighs. And um I don't know about you, but I'm 58. So, like when I was in elementary and junior high, corduroy was really in. And if you're fat and you wear corduroy, you can literally start a fire. Everybody hears you coming. Yes. Oh, I kind of like used to like corduroy, but now I don't, I think it looks so outdated, but sometimes it looks kind of cool now, too. But anyway, so um when did you when did you feel comfortable saying the word fat instead of chubby or fluffy or curvy or whatever?

From Diet Culture To Fat Liberation

SPEAKER_02 4:19

You know, that's a really good question. Um, even though I've been fat my whole life, I didn't really learn about fat liberation and body positivity and such until maybe about 15 years ago. So that would put us like 2010-ish. Um uh at the time I was in the middle of the most intense dieting I've ever done, uh, losing 130 pounds in maybe six months. Um, very unhealthy, and uh actually even ended up in the ICU, uh a really bad time in my life. And I found out about this, and at first it made me so angry. And actually, that's one of the tools that I use that memory of how angry it made me when I deal with trolls, because I get it. Like it's upsetting. You've been living your life by this rule, and this rule is like hard and fast and very definitive of who you are, and it's bullshit, it's total bullshit. And when you find out you want to hate the person who told you, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

You wanna are you saying you want to hate the person who told you it's okay to be fat and happy?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Yeah, uh-huh. It I mean, for me, it was somebody who I grew up with who became part of the fat liberation movement. And uh when I found out that she was into all this stuff, I thought she was totally insane. And I thought um uh I was mad. I was genuinely very mad at her.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Um, and uh I feel very thankful now that uh I had the opportunity to learn about it from her, that um she put herself out to be judged in order to fight for this thing she cares about and put me in a position where I can do the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Yeah.

Medical Bias And Bodily Dignity

SPEAKER_03 6:33

That's kind of why we decided to start our podcast. Just like if I make one 15-year-old girl or kid or some grown woman go, you know what, they're right. Because I know I've been on a hundred diets. Like our last guest, Jen from Plus Mommy, her parents met at a Weight Watcher's meeting. So she's basically been dieting since before she was even birthed. Yeah. And people feel a little bit like they're in control of their life when they're on an eating diet plan. And I I I cannot relate to that because whenever I was on a diet, I've never felt like I was in more control, other than control the fucking patriarchy, which now, because of the way that they things are growing going in the world right now, everybody's talking about like, hey, y'all, this beauty standard is really for men who like prepubescent children. Why are we trying to even meet this beauty standard? Which they're not wrong. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

But um, I'm just waiting for them to connect that to GLP ones. It's like right now we're getting the like they want peep pre-pubescent girls, and we don't want to be like that, and we're getting still diet, diet, diet. And it's like we haven't, a lot of people haven't seemed to bridge yet that those things are connected, and that, you know, when you're dieting, you're making yourself smaller and weaker. Uh, I mean, not to say that you want to get larger so that you're not small and weak, but I'm just saying um that seems counter to what we should want.

Chubrub’s Mission, Sizing, And Prints

SPEAKER_03 8:14

Definitely, you know, because when I was growing up, it was definitely like, you know, I graduated high school from in the mid 80s, and um, it was definitely like you're gonna be polite, you're gonna be classy, which we all know the word classy is a social construct. What's classy in one culture is not classy in another. If you can't see me, I'm using air quotes around the word classy, smaller, quiet, you know, shh, don't be so loud, don't be so brash. But I was like, fuck all of this, and um, I don't know. I just wanted I didn't want to be like, I don't want to be smaller, I wanted to be like, I want to be president of the United States, I want to be, I want to be me. I didn't want anybody trying to control and I I have to stop us because I just get so excited to talk to you and I forgot that I really like my guests to talk about who they are in the beginning, and that share your website and all that your socials just in case people don't listen to the ending. I want people to who've listened nine minutes to know exactly how to find you and who you are, and then I'll get excited again.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Okay, so you want me to share about me? That's great. I'm so good at that. Um good.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Share your website for sure, though.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Uh, I am the designer behind Chubrub Clothing. Um, we make fat clothing and art that's bold and colorful and refuses to be hidden. Uh, it's all about fat liberation through joy and um movement, excitement, visual movement, all of that stuff. Uh, the website is chubrubclothing.com. Our Instagram is ChubrubClothing, our Facebook is Chubrub Clothing. It's pretty easy to find us if you type in Chubrub Clothing anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

I was checking out your website because I was looking to see like what sizes you go to and all that kind of stuff. And I know you know this like me because I also sell shirts, t-shirts. Harder to get things once you get above a 4x. Yeah, 5x, a 6x, 7, 8, 8x, it's a bitch to find. Definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

And you can't find it um on print on demand, so you have to have big stocks of them sitting somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Print on demand, people stop at 3x.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

I I get print on demand up to a 5x.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Okay, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

If I want to go above that, I have to stock it and score it in my tiny home.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

That's what I do too. So your clothing is meant to not shrink anybody. Like, even some of your prints look like a Holstein cow. It's true. It's the most in-your-face shit. I love that.

Art, Costumes, And Making What Didn’t Exist

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Yeah, I really like to turn the ideas that people have about fatness around on them. Like, hey, did you guys ever notice cows are incredibly cute and they're like really smart animals, and there's a lot of great things about cows, and cow print is really cool looking. And why shouldn't we dress in all cow print? And if that's challenging to someone, then maybe that's an opportunity for them. I think if they're gonna politicize our bodies, then I'm gonna politicize what's on our bodies. So hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Yeah, that's I love the um the prints called cow now, right? Or cow wow, cownow? Cownow. How now, cow, how now, brown cow? But it's not brown, yeah. It's black and white. Black and white is a classic color, it's classy, Candice. Very classy.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Anything.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Yeah, I love your shirt that you're wearing, fat and happy, and that's on your website.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Um, Moo Dang. I love to share hippo content. I love hippo content. I love all hippos. I think I just can't get enough.

Community Power And Troll Tactics

SPEAKER_02 11:58

It's important to reframe, like, we see roles on our bodies, and we think gross, right? But when you start reframing it, like when you start looking at a cute little hippo and he's all shiny and roly, or she, she's all shiny and roly and cute, and you start going, hey, I kind of look shiny and roly and cute. That's weird. That's a surprise, right? I mean, context is really important, and the context that we've all learned about our bodies is that they're never gonna be right. Never. I just like to share share places where you have to question the context. Yeah. Like I also love to take photos, I take all the photos or most of the photos of my models, um, the majority of the photos. And I love to take photos where they're eating, where they're like slouching, like looking fat, you know, where they're like biting something. Yes, eating a giant maple bar. That's exactly it. So challenging. And I really feel like people, the viewer, just having the experience of feeling angry when they see it forces them, hopefully, at least some of them, to question why they're feeling that way.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I've never heard anybody say, Oh my god, that polar bear is so fat, it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Right? I mean, there are pigs, there are hogs that are so fat, and I mean, they're just that's how they are, and so cute, so cute, so stinking cute.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

Stinky, stinky, you said it stinky, yeah, but cute. Yeah, I don't understand. Like when I used to have my boutique, you know, I would tell people who are really struggling, have you ever been near a redwood tree? Do you know how fucking enormous a redwood tree is? Nobody goes, Oh my god, that redwood tree is huge, it's hideous, it's too big, it's too fat, it's too wide, it's too tall. And then you go stand next to a redwood tree, you feel so tiny. Yeah, like beautiful. Put this in perspective, y'all. It's we all like every redwood tree is fucking majestic and they're all different sizes, they're beautiful, they're strong. Why don't we see ourselves that way? And why don't we see others that way? I mean, you know, it's just reprogramming.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

You should have to reprogram yourself, essentially.

The Keychain Club And Belonging

SPEAKER_03 14:32

I want to read off some of your other shirts, okay? It's um STFU, shut the fuck up. Everybody should have that one for sure. You have PCOS, I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 14:42

Because you know my co-host Murph has PCOS. So you have a PCOS shirt, Fat Witch, Fupa Pride, hello.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

I got a chalupa though, not a Fupa.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

I have an epic, I'm just gonna come out right now on your show. I have an epic Fupa. It is like a whole titty, and I need to be proud of it, and I need to be with people who love it, who appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Yeah, I've never met anybody who went, oh my god, your your lips are way too fat. I I can't put my tongue or my penis there. It's just no way.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

It's not how it works, you know? Never not even once.

SPEAKER_03 15:17

I've been fat since the third grade.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

Be with somebody who that's not their thing too, right? But if that's your thing, that's that's where I'm coming from. So Yep.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Fat babes. Of course, the one you have on now, Fat and Happy. I love that one. Um, you have crop tops. Yeah, but my god, fat girls can't wear crop tops, Candace. What are you thinking?

SPEAKER_02 15:38

I know it's crazy. I love to get my tummy out.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

Feels good, huh? Get some air on it.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Tummies are so cute.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

When did you yes, they are? I mean, I love a worm tummy. When did you start learning that you could sew or you could make clothes or that you were an artist?

Fashion Rules, Comfort, And Confidence

SPEAKER_02 15:56

You know, I think this is actually a story that many fat designers have. I learned when I couldn't buy any clothes. So I when I was young, I couldn't buy any clothes that weren't um men's clothes or business casual, of course. Uh, especially when I was in high school, Torrid didn't even exist yet. So I just learned to start making my own clothes. Um, sometimes from a pattern, sometimes I just winged it. I don't really know exactly how I pulled it all off. I just started making stuff all the time on my mom's old green sewing machine. And uh later, much later, I went to college for theater and film. And when I was there, I started learning costuming. The costuming led me to learn more about sewing. At this point, I have a master's of fine arts and costume design. Um, I know a lot, a lot about how clothes are made.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

Um uh I can't remember where I was gonna go after that. And you you draw and paint and sketch and all kinds of other things too, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Yeah, I draw all the patterns on all the clothes too. Like um the one, there's one that's like snakes all interwoven. I hand drew all those snakes and everything. Um, and then I paint, I post art a lot, I make stickers, um, all kinds of stuff. I honestly I'm one of those kind of people who the through line of all my work is the fat liberation, but the um techniques really vary a lot. I mean, I just posted today a digital woodcut that I did. Um, I, you know, I'm not like always doing those. Sometimes I'm doing paintings or um collage, all kinds of art.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

I see you have a, I'm gonna just call it a fat mannequin behind you. Oh, yeah. Fat form. What size is that form?

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Uh he's a 3X.

unknown 18:06

Okay.

Underwear That Actually Fits

SPEAKER_02 18:06

It's but he can be padded out to be many open sizes. Yeah. He was uh salvaged from a large retailer in the Seattle area who was throwing him away.

SPEAKER_03 18:17

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

And he's worth probably like$700. So I had to take him.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

They're pricey, I know.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Even fat mannequins just for your store is really expensive.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Almost impossible to get.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Yeah, I know. So tell me, um, first of all, do you have a good time at FatCon? We didn't really even get to talk at FatCon.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Yeah, it's always a world when I always have an amazing time. Unfortunately, this time I did come down with some kind of virus halfway through. So I had to miss the um fashion show, but the video of it was amazing. And I'm lucky to have a team that put it together for me while I wasn't there. Um, but yeah, FatCon is always just amazing. It fills your whole cup up for the year. You know, I find I walk away feeling invigorated again, ready to get back in the trenches, so to speak. Um dealing with trolls and all of that stuff, as you can probably guess, can be very, very daunting. My posts sometimes attract a lot of trolls, a lot of trolls.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

You bad girl. You're just so naughty out there acting all like you're just gonna live.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

I love it.

Access, Sizing To 7X, And Allies

SPEAKER_03 19:27

I do too. I do too. Sometimes I really like to fuck with them back because I love to say, like, thank you for your engagement. And then Facebook, Zuckerberg, pays me when I get a lot of engagement. And I'm like, thank you, cha-ching, cha-ching, and that pisses them off. Well, I like to say, what fat girl, did a fat girl turn you down, Bob? Taylor, Tyler, Dakota, uh, whatever their incel's names are, did a fat girl turn you down, or did some fat girl hurt your feelings? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

I love that. Um, one of my favorite things to say to them is uh just to hit them really hard with like a lot of therapy and love. Like, um, okay, so let's say somebody says something like, um, you need to earn my respect, and you haven't earned it with a body like that. So one of my favorite responses to something like that would be like, um, uh, I'm really sorry that somebody taught you that you have to earn respect and that your body isn't valid unless you earn it. But, you know, I hope you work through that someday. And I find that it stops them really in their tracks. Like they're not really ready to be read like that.

Gratitude, Cross-Community Lift, Closing

SPEAKER_03 20:40

That's great. I like that. I need to adopt that one too. Yeah. Also, you know, and Jen from Plus Mobby talked about this in her TED talk. You know, you deserve dignity respect just by being existing. You don't have to burn a donut by getting doing a certain amount of steps, or I can't have ice cream unless I go for a run. I'm like, y'all are doing life wrong. That's not how this works. Just I deserve all the dignity and respect that a thin person gets afforded just for being existing the way they look. Why wouldn't I get that much dignity and respect? And that's what Jen was sort of advocating for for her TED talk. It's like when she was, you know, having be a baby, people didn't want to give her oxygen. Like she didn't earn the right to breathe, clearly, because she was fat. Like, that's fucked up. It's wild.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

That's wild. I mean, I it's the same when I've had to have some surgeries, you know. In the last few years, I've had some health issues I've gone through, and none of them have been really related to my size in any way. But of course, the doctors want to wait and pass you off to somebody else until they find a doctor who's willing to do it. And inevitably, the doctor willing to do it says something like, That's ridiculous. This is easy. I don't know why they did that. Um, but you know, it's the same deal where it's like, just give me the dignity to give me this surgery and move on with my life. Waiting for months is hurting me in a different way.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

That happened to me twice. Yeah. And anesthesiologists were just like, I'm like, are you gonna give me a lecture? Like, what are you talking about? I go, Well, I'm fat. Aren't you gonna tell me you can't sedate me? They're like, no, do you think you're the first fat person I put under for sedation? But I was worried right up until the minute they put me under, they were gonna turn me down. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it just should not be like this. Fat doctors have internalized anti-fatness. Definitely. They don't learn much about fat bodies in medical school, and as you probably know, they don't take fat cadavers because they they don't have the right equipment and all that stuff. Anyway, I I could go on that whole I want to talk about I want to talk about Chub Reb because you have such good stuff going on. I know community means a lot to you. You have a really when you were sick, your community was like right there for you, and they all stood in for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

I mean, I've got just a whole community of ride or dies. It's amazing. And they step up for me again and again. And I mean, I've got local community, I've got community around the world, and that's part of what fat liberation is. It's like we need each other for validation, for safety, for understanding. Talking to somebody who just gets what you're dealing with without having to explain it is very important.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

So now more than ever, because our hateful um government is like and they're racist, and you know, it's just so gross. But um, I want to know more about the keychains in the your keychain club.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Yeah, um, uh, this is a this came about really organically. Like, I wanted to make these keychains. First, it was just about making keychains, okay? Like, I liked the idea of somebody having something on their keys that constantly reminds them of being part of the community. You know what I mean? And so I made this keychain that was like Fat Babe's Club, and they're all individually numbered, so you get your actual place in the club. Now, this is so silly of me because for some reason it didn't connect to me to actually make a club at first. But then, of course, one of my dear friends named Eli, he was like, Listen, why aren't you making this into a club? He, you know, he's very resourceful. He like threw together this list right away, sign up and right at FATCON, we were able to start capturing having people claim their numbers directly. And um, we're just gonna use it as a way to connect community, let people know about important things happening, have discussions. We're still kind of trying to figure out exactly what technological framework we want to do it in. I really don't want to create another Discord.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Oh, yeah, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Yeah. Um, but it I think it's shaping up to be kind of a um newsletter that takes submissions. Um, and I'm really excited about it. And I actually will be releasing more keychains. I've only released um the first 50 so far, but the keychains will go up to 9,999. And I will make sure that every one of them goes to a person. Um I love it. And you will have your number. So when you get number, and let me assure you, 69 is called, okay? So we're twice 666, all the numbers, all the special numbers. Um, but you can still get a great keychain. And when you get your number, um you get to register it, and that's yours forever. Or until you maybe you could pass it down to your children. Tell people how to get one.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

How can we get one now?

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Um, well, you can't get one right now.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

Oh, okay. Not online.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

And then uh, no, that's right. Uh, March 1st, we will have them on our website, Chubrub Clothing, and you'll just you can pick your actual number. Um, but there's you know, it's like a drop-down, you have to pick that one number, and then it won't be available anymore. So you'll want to be like right there.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Okay, I'm gonna mark my calendar March 1st. I want one. Yeah, March. So it'll be on chubrub clothing.com? Correct. Okay, cool. Um, when you uh when you all have community events, are you like me? Do you find it super powerful and kind of fun and kind of like a big fuck you to go out to eat with a bunch of other fatties? Oh my god, yes, it's the best, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:07

One of my favorite things is to make it like into a whole production, like where we're like feeding each other and stuff, like people are like getting upset. They get so mad, yeah. They get they get really mad or they just stare a lot. Um, I don't know. For some reason, pushing people's button with things that are like girl, excuse me, for some reason pushing people's button with things that are like not really a challenge if you're not fat. Like, no, no one thin would care if a thin girl was feeding another thin girl some cake, you know what I mean? But when two fat girls do it, it's it's a thing, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Blasphemy.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Yes, exactly. So stupid, it makes me so excited to force people to feel that and maybe realize how ridiculous they're being. I I don't know why, but this is like where all my juice lives.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Same, same. You know, like when I was about in the third grade, I don't know why who I was so angry at, but um when I was a kid, you could go make your own uh iron-on t-shirts to get transfers and stuff, and for some reason, I got one that said when God created man, she was only joking. I know now why I was mad at the patriarchy. I my dad was not happy. I'll use my own money, and I could I love wearing that shirt, like it started to fall off the shirt, so I was trying to iron it back on. I just wanted to piss people off, and I don't even I didn't even know why I was so angry then, but now it's it makes it all clear to me now. But then I was like, I was an angry little fucking 11-year-old. Damn woman, what happened?

SPEAKER_02 28:51

Yeah, I was a very angry teenager as well.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

I had to wear tough skins from fucking Sears, and they would have to like hem them like 18 inches, so they would fit a man, but they had to fit my my fat little body, and you know, I'd have like I mean it was bad, you know, and they're tough skins, they are itchy and stuff, stiff. No wonder I was mad, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

They could have cut off the bottom of your pants and put them on the bottom of my pants.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

They wanted to make it so I could, you know, let them out as a couple taller, I guess. Oh, I see. We were, I think we were kind of broke. We were kind of a little bit, and um we we had everything we needed, but we didn't have a lot of extras at the time when I was little, you know. And yeah, I think my mom was just trying to this is gonna be a problem like her whole life, so let's figure this out now. And then I then I moved to my blazer phase, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

So I oh my gosh, the blazers, the blouses.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

Blouse, yeah, with the ruffles. Oh, I can't set anything fussy now. What's in right now for fashion? Like, what's the new thing that our everybody's talking about? And can can fat people do whatever they want, wear wherever we want. Do we have to follow any rules now, Candace?

SPEAKER_02 30:01

No, we don't have to follow any rules. I mean, here's the rule I would like you to follow. Wear something that makes you feel good, whether that's physically good, emotionally good, I don't care. However, you feel good, wear something that makes you feel good. If you want to be in something comfortable, wear something comfortable. If you want to show your tomtum, show your tomtum, you know. Um uh I grew up in Florida and it's hot as fuck in Florida.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

It's humid, which makes me really bitchy. Oh, it's awful.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

And I grew up like layered, like shirt, sweater, jeans, paint, you know, like all this stuff in the hottest days of the year. And more than one time I had heat stroke because of this. Um, so comfort is really important to me. Uh, staying cool, making clothes that stay cool is really important to me, strangely. But um, what is in right now in fashion?

SPEAKER_03 31:01

I mean Well, so I noticed some skirts now are made with longer backs. So, because whenever I put a skirt on my eyes, can we just have that in all skirts now, please?

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Do you mean it like it's a high low, like it's dramatically longer in back, or is it just a little bit to accommodate your butt?

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Just a little bit to accommodate my butt is what I've seen. I've seen both.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

That's how we make our skirts, and um that's how it should be. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

If I'm if you're over like a size 12, I think you need a little bit more because hips and butt cheeks, right? So when you go this way, you go right and left, that brings things up. And then when you have a babao, that brings things up. I just I don't want to show my ass to everybody, some people, but not everybody. I mean, yeah, you should get to decide. Thank you. That's it, that's all it's all it is, right? I should get to decide. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Do you make underwear? Yeah, I do make underwear, I make um songs and uh what I call swimmable lingerie because there's like half the people like to swim in it, half the people like to wear it as lingerie. Personally, I think the best use of it would be jello wrestling, it's washable and then it's hot as fuck. So yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Do you know Bertha from Size Queen Clothing? Uh, I don't think so. I'm wearing right now underwear or bathing suit with donuts all over it.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

I love it.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

I think they're supposed to be a bathing suit, but I love them so much I have them on right now because you know when you're 58, you gotta wear a panty liner with everything because it's fucking gonna if I sneeze, I'm gonna pee everywhere. So it has a like nice big fat crotch. I need like what is that stupid crotch called? That stupid crotch. I don't know. What's what's the crotch area called? I want I want a bigger I want my white crotch. Gusset? The gusset, I need wider gussets for my fupa.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Yes, yes. I we do I specifically design our panties and bottoms to have wide gussets, like it's like a little hammock that holds your fupa. And then you kill you're welcome. And then also they have um all fabric, no elastic in the leg holes. Because I don't know if you've ever had leg holes that start to like cut into your like skin skin.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

If you're sleeping with it, nuts. I'll wake up in the night the next day, I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm like being cut in half.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Yeah, and so I feel like what happened with a lot of manufacturers is like Torrid, for instance, they just started taking off the elastic, but then your junk can just fall right out of it at any time. So this way with the cloth binding, everything gets held in place. I mean, I even have like pole dancers who buy them specifically because they know they're not gonna have a lip slip. Um it's they're frowned upon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Unfortunately, they are frowned upon.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

A little illegal.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Unless you're thin, then it's okay. Anything if you're thin. I've noticed that too, yeah. Although Janet Jackson did get in trouble for her nip slip, but um, that was him and her.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

That was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

It was old days, really old days.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Yeah, we didn't even see a nip. It was uh it was uh pasty.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

I never, yeah, I don't was stupid. Um so what's next for you? And also tell everybody too, like what sizes you you uh create and make for everybody because I know it's like you said, we talked about earlier, it's harder to get anything over a 4x.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah, we do a large up to a 7x. I won't make anything smaller than a large unless it's like a t-shirt and you can wear it as a supporter, as an ally. Like I I thought I would never go under a large, but then I was at an event and uh vending, and a performer came up to me and said, I want to wear a shirt that says fat girls don't owe you shit, even though I'm not fat, I agree that fat girls don't owe you shit. And I was like genius. So I started making those available then, but everything else goes up to a 7x. Um, no, pineapple. That is not correct. Um, many things that I carry go up to a 7x, especially when I anytime I can decide, like when I'm doing the full manufacturing of it.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Some of my t-shirts, you know, like you were saying, it's so hard to find the larger sizes, and um, I have yet to find a source where I can do that. Uh still working on that. But um, yeah, anything that I make or that I have made uh does come up to a 7x. That's really important to me. I've really been from 2x to 7x. You know, I've waffled through those during my life. And I think the whole time I deserved access to things like this. Everyone else of any size deserves access to things like this. I even think the smaller people do deserve access, but I just have only so much energy, so they can go ahead and not get it.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

Yeah, there's that. And they can buy clothes anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

But what's that?

SPEAKER_03 36:26

And they can buy clothes anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Did you see the girl at this last the third fat con? She found a shirt thrifting that said she was very petite girl. And it said, fat girls taste better. I did not see that. No, I told her, you don't have to, you don't, you never have to thrift again. That is it. You have hit that's the land, that's what everybody's been searching for. Every thrift person is looking for that shirt. You found it, you could retire.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

I was like, girl, where'd you get that thrifting? I like clearly she's into fat girls, you know? Yeah, it's so beautiful. That was all I bow down to you and your thrifting abilities. And she's actually from the Bay Area, so she's like, I think it's Sunny. I hope she listens to this so she knows I'm giving her a shout out because badass t-shirt on fat girls taste better.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Yeah, that's a good one. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

I agree. Thank you so much. All your posts make me so fat and happy. And I like I said, I love your shirt, and I appreciate your politics and your love of community because I feel the same way. I love my fat community, and we need each other. We all need each other right now.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Yeah, we really do.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

I want my community to know all about you and know about you, how you handle the trolls and with your about your clothing and your, you know, just like your overall, you know, your overall uh love and you're cheerleading all of us on all the time, I feel like. So I I appreciate you so much.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

I'm glad that comes across because that's really important to me.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

I I really genuinely do think of myself as a cheerleader for other a fat cheerleader. Yeah, I have a fat cheer set on my website.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Great, love it. So, Candace, I appreciate everything you do. Thank you so much for being on Big Sexy Chat tonight. And as soon as we have this edited, we'll get it out to you, and you can share with your community, and I'll share with my community. Well, I'm sure we have lots of overlap, but I'm sure there's lots of people that don't know in my community don't know about you, and your community doesn't know about us. And yes, we want to make lots more fat liberation in the years to come.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Yeah, thank you for having me. It's been anytime.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

Go chubrubclothing.com, go check her out.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

You're the best.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

See you later, alligator. Goodbye for now. Happy cow.