39: Leiderschap en authentiek leven met Sanne van Paassen

Zoals je op de foto ziet in heerlijk weer opgenomen in "haar bos". Ze vertelt met trots over het plekje dat ze letterlijk heeft gecreëerd en meer ook figuurlijk. Hoe ze na een leven als topsporter een nieuwe weg heeft gevonden in het begeleiden van anderen.

Dit gesprek wil je luisteren om haar energie die eruit knalt, de mooie verhalen van Sanne over haar topsport en haar ondernemersreis en ook voor nieuwe inzichten die we samen ontdekken. Onder andere over moeiteloos dingen doen.

Ik hoop dat jullie net zoveel genieten van het luisteren als ik heb gehad met het maken van deze aflevering!!

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Transcript

Jeroen van Lierop 0:59

No enjoying.

Sanne van Paassen 1:01

I really came home.

Jeroen van Lierop 1:03

I'm going to take something with me. I don't have to be away anymore. Yes, actually everything. The magic. Who is Sanne van Pasen?

Sanne van Paassen 1:18

Yes, who is Sanne van Pasen? That's always the question. Which version do you want to hear from me?

Jeroen van Lierop 1:23

of course, yes, which version do you want to?

Sanne van Paassen 1:26

share. Yes, outsider Adventurer, full of energy, and I'm also really a life-enjoyer. Rest In unrest Action Delay Sportman. Boerdochter In unrest action delay sportsman farmer's daughter. Mother In the meantime it's been a year, more than a year. Those are the words that ring a bell for me when you ask me who Sanne is. You don't have a clear picture, do you?

Jeroen van Lierop 2:10

The words pop up when you ask me who Sanne is. You don't have a clear picture, do you? We're going to try to make the next time we're going to be here in this podcast a bit clearer.

Sanne van Paassen 2:20

First, where are we? Somewhere Sanne? I see very nice fruit trees that are growing hard. Sometimes I've had it hard to get Nice open spaces, that that I created myself, and we're here in the middle of my forest.

Jeroen van Lierop 2:33

You call this your forest.

Sanne van Paassen 2:34

Your forest, yes, my forest, you say my forest, yes, our forest, my forest, well, it's in my name, but our forest is of humble people. I think it's of everyone, because I'm not chasing anyone away.

Jeroen van Lierop 2:48

So if you want to sit here and picnic, be my guest, but it is a beautiful open space that grows, which is not tamed, so to speak.

Sanne van Paassen 3:08

A nice picnic bench, that's it, we are here on the first beautiful day of the year a bit yes, that's true In the sun, In the sun.

Jeroen van Lierop 3:13

What does this say about Sanne?

Sanne van Paassen 3:17

Yes, exactly who I am. I prefer to be outside. I work with my clients outside. Outside I come to my right. I'd rather be outside all day.

Sanne van Paassen 3:32

If I haven't been outside, I feel that something is happening to my energy. I don't mean just outside, but also in nature. If I have to go to the edge city one day because I have to be there by chance that's not by chance I choose to say yes to something, that I want to go to the edge city, then I notice how nice it is to come home. So this is this place, and especially this place how it is, how nice it is to get home. So this is this place, and especially this place how it is, because it is almost a hectare and around that parcel is a pump track, a pump track where children can cycle on. The children can now also really free bike again, because it has just recently been freed from forests, from fire. So if you listen now and live in the area of Vlierden, I would say go there once, have a nice picnic.

Sanne van Paassen 4:14

But I have had a dream once or I still have that I would like to have a mountain hut in the Dolomites, a very large mountain hut on a mountain with a large moose barn Really a lot of space for families. So there are different apartments in there. And when I give trainings or sessions that people with their families can come with their families, I go with one of the parents to work and then I dream that those children on their downhill track, that downhill track also belongs to me, so I have my own mountain, the downhill track belongs to my mountain hut. And then they start. Because I believe in business wins without losing private. I once spoke out this dream and this place really says that about me when I was creating this, this pump track, I was on the weekend, saturday or Sunday, and I woke up at 4 o'clock on Saturday night and I can tell you, if you do this, you're really busy with your schedule.

Sanne van Paassen 5:18

And then you really think, 4 o'clock in the morning, I have to sleep Because we're going to schedule another whole day tomorrow. But I couldn't sleep anymore. The energy was so strong in my body and then I got up. I thought what is happening here now? And then I realized, fuck, van Paassen, the dream you have, you are already realizing it in your little Because my work, we are here at my workplace and around my workplace. Here I am regularly cycling when the children are here, and then I think, oh wow, it's already here in Vlierden.

Jeroen van Lierop 5:53

That place you dream of.

Sanne van Paassen 5:54

Yes, it's already here. So that's really what this place says about Sanne. And that I believe that dreams are much easier to realize, that it can be much more effortless. We have to laugh.

Jeroen van Lierop 6:08

Yes, we will definitely talk about effortless. But yes, Sanne, we also know you as a top athlete.

Sanne van Paassen 6:15

Oh yes, I didn't tell that. Yes, ex-top athlete. Yes, is it ex then? Yes, for me, yes.

Jeroen van Lierop 6:20

The whole time.

Sanne van Paassen 6:21

Yes, you're not that anymore. No, not in say I didn't write a book about life. That's what Top Sport is. So I believe in it that I still do Top Sport, but in the definition of back then Top Sport, do that wasn't boring at that time, although there have been phases of boredom. So that version no, that's not there anymore.

Jeroen van Lierop 6:48

How do you look back on that?

Sanne van Paassen 6:50

I wouldn't want to miss it. Cool, cool, adventurous, the most beautiful school I've ever been to Confronting, painful but also full of adventure. And also that time made sure that I really came home.

Jeroen van Lierop 7:16

Really coming home. Yes, what is that?

Sanne van Paassen 7:20

What it was for me in retrospect. I have been fleeing a lot, so the bike was a flight in the last few days To not be home, literally so at my parents' house, because I just noticed that there were tensions. So I was on the bike a lot to escape, to be away, to be in my own world, because I already felt that connection with nature, because I really liked nature. But also I traveled a lot with the sport and I often booked a training camp again. I thought you know if I'm gone again, and I find it very special that I no longer have to be away. And that's also nice because my friend and I have just agreed to each other we don't have to travel, we're here at home and coincidentally we are now buying a house in Portugal and coincidentally we now do buy a house in Portugal.

Sanne van Paassen 8:13

But not to flee, but purely to enrich From a different place. I come into motion, that's it. And what coming home is then the rest in yourself that nothing else is needed, that it is good as it is, that you don't have to chase anywhere. And that's a nice thing, that the results the results you realize in your life, or results what you realize, that it no longer has an impact on who you are, that you don't feel better or worse there.

Jeroen van Lierop 8:51

That In that top sport you were very ambitious.

Sanne van Paassen 8:59

Yes.

Jeroen van Lierop 9:02

Because you wanted.

Sanne van Paassen 9:04

Win. I won the World Cup. I wanted to become world champion. Yes, yes.

Jeroen van Lierop 9:16

I remember my presentation that I saw together with your sponsor of that time, the Kappers.

Sanne van Paassen 9:22

Who was also very clear about it.

Jeroen van Lierop 9:26

We have an ambition, we see a sportsman with ambition and we make that connection. The question that comes to me is how far that ambition is now different, because your ambitions are now also huge yes, but not again.

Levenslessen van een Topsporter

Sanne van Paassen 9:44

So, yes, this is from a very different place. So I just came home seems like I say, at least at the beginning of my sports career really had. Okay, I have to realize then it is be good enough. And yes, I am still ambitious now. Only, I also feel it is good now and that is also my challenge at the moment, because I think, wow, what the fuck does life lead to? I am so grateful for how everything is going and how everything is. Why would I want more? Why would I put in greater ambitions, while I also feel that that is the intention. So that is now, at this moment, the two-fight, although I notice that I have already made a nice shift in it. But it is from another place. You come into motion.

Jeroen van Lierop 10:28

Can you describe that?

Sanne van Paassen 10:30

Yes, now I feel it as it is already good and it is all. You know, it is all extra.

Sanne van Paassen 10:36

It is plus and it is the basis. The foundation is just top and first it was the foundation. It was from short from being seen from. If I have this, then yes, that is, of course, really in the wrong place and that makes you go very hard. And also from that willpower, from that drive, from pushing, from giving gas, from working hard, from doing more. If I do more, I have more results. Yes, and that's enough right.

Jeroen van Lierop 11:05

Yes, I remember you once told me about winning, I think, in a World Cup race, that you ride over the line, that you see the photo of it, that you actually achieve something that was absolutely in your ambitions, but that you see someone else standing on the picture.

Sanne van Paassen 11:23

Yes, I look at that picture, then I feel and see a girl and I think, wow, what has she done? And I know that. My thoughts when I first saw that picture and also at that moment, and it goes back to that moment I don't know if it was on a podium. I'm standing with my prize in my hands and I feel deep inside Is this it now? Does it feel like that to find that world cup? And I hear that voice what's next, what's my next goal? And go, go for it.

Sanne van Paassen 11:50

Give gas and through and give, come on. So yes, also that eternal unrest, maybe that huge drive that was making the overtime no enjoying. Yes, of course I enjoyed it, but a different way of enjoying it than now. I am very grateful for my top sport time and for the people and everything that has met me. But it is well. It can also be different.

Jeroen van Lierop 12:25

Can top sport be different? Or do you mean life?

Sanne van Paassen 12:27

Both. But yes, I have a whole vision about top sport, that I have the idea that it can be much different, but also about life. That's the reason why I got really badly injured. If you live like that, your body will start to brake. Then at some point your body will start to brake, and that's what my body did and I felt it when I was revalidated after one and a half years. People in daily life also experience this. In the business world. They experience this. They experience this. They experience this that you hit the brakes, that you suddenly realize how I did it until now. That doesn't help me anymore. From hard work, from willpower. I say a wandering head, but you don't realize that you're a wandering head. And then you think you're very smart, that your head makes you over hours, that you're so smart, but in reality it's something else. What a mean laugh that is.

Jeroen van Lierop 13:44

You direct it to yourself, right?

Sanne van Paassen 13:45

Yes indeed.

Jeroen van Lierop 13:54

What would you have helped to prevent the injury? Because that is perhaps also the question for people who are listening now and think, yes, am I there? What did you help?

Sanne van Paassen 14:07

Yes, maybe this answer is not very helpful, because actually I didn't want it to be prevented because I didn't want to miss it. I didn't want this to be prevented because I didn't want to miss it. So, but a bit of your question of okay, with this wisdom of now. What helped me then is very consciously learning and experiencing that social delay is an essential part of life. That delay and especially I took, for example, during my exam periods that I was really mentally peak was namely a rest period physically. But that is, of course, not rest.

Sanne van Paassen 14:47

I see a lot of people in their daily lives make a mistake. They are just going through the door to knock through, and they physically ask a lot of questions about themselves. Physically, they go and strive for something in sports, they build a house, they become young parents, and then I suddenly think, hey, my body is pulling a wheel. I wanted to know that and want to experience it, but I couldn't receive it then. So back then those advices were given to me that I just needed more rest, and not only in my head rest, but also in my more rest, not only in my head but also in my body. I also wanted to experience that life happens before you. I wanted to control a lot, really a lot. That's why I have a bit of a judgment. Back then they also made an MBTI profile for me and I was really a judger back then. But if you know me a little bit now, you know me by now. Right, our previous appointment was forgotten and I was too late.

Jeroen van Lierop 15:51

And I didn't have my stuff in order. Oh, yes, Together.

Sanne van Paassen 15:56

So a judger in my top sports days. I was completely wrong. I was really planning on time. I was really very much of the structure. If I was in bed at 10 o'clock, I felt guilty that I was not in bed at 10 o'clock. I was pretty much yes, just, and if it went differently then I would have trouble with it. And now that you know me, I'm like wow, I'm going with the flow. I go from left to right. I think it's fantastic to move, literally and figuratively, to move with the other. I'm in a state like no other. I really like it.

Sanne van Paassen 16:36

This week before my holiday, three clients said hey, let's do the appointment differently. I thought, oh yeah, we'll move along, totally fine. But back then they made my profile from the shadow side Because I was completely in that cramping and that was the wrong image of reality. At that moment I had a lot more of that relaxedness and this is who I am. I can't say that now, but then I was just in a survival mechanism. I was acting and being To keep all those balls in the air.

Jeroen van Lierop 17:12

If you then have to look at. You said you were injured, revalidated. I don't know if you went cycling afterwards, went cycling again. Is it going to be different then? Yes, yes, definitely.

Sanne van Paassen 17:26

Yes, you know it's going to be different and I have a lot of people who can really help. First step and I also share that in my book is a high energy level is the basis for success, and if your energy doesn't flow, you really have to cut it right away. Because the moment your energy is low and I kept pushing, at the moment you know giving gas and thinking tomorrow I can train an extra hour. You know, the moment you don't feel like it in training, don't do it either, because then you're also a head of the team and you're doing it yourself. So I did indeed revalidate.

Sanne van Paassen 18:03

After that, I also went around differently. I went around more flexibly. I was also much more oh, I could fly much more. But then the voice came and, yes, what is now the most important thing in your life? What is it about about in this life? Then I thought is it about winning? So that was the second phase of my sports career, really asking what is it really about? What is the most important thing? And that's a nice question that everyone can answer what is the most important thing for you in life? And is that also what you are most stressed about at the moment? If the answer is no to that, then you have something to do. I come into action.

Jeroen van Lierop 18:53

And in your top sport, the answer became no. At a certain point, yes.

Sanne van Paassen 18:58

Stronger still. I knew no, yes, I knew he would say no, but my head said yes. So that was the second phase of my top sport career. You know and everything. Let's be honest, your body never pulls on the handbrake for no reason. And I see too often people only look at the physical causes but ask yourself the question what does this injury want to tell me? And of course I did that too. And if I really was honest with the answer where I didn't dare to listen, is this really for me? Is this really my path? And then I wondered, when I heard that answer, is it not time for something else?

Sanne van Paassen 19:43

And I had my own team and I had everything very good for each other and I had a pretty luxurious life, I made a lot of money with my sport. But there was also a voice in me who said but you can't do that Towards your sponsors, towards what you have built up, towards your coaching team. And yet I kept pushing. And that was a very nice lesson for me, because I knew deep inside that it was time to stop. And I said to the outside world I said if I still belong in the top 5 in the world this year, then I'll keep going, but deep inside I knew it's time to stop. So what do you think has been my best performance at that moment was, I guess, number six.

Sanne van Paassen 20:21

Yes, exactly that. And then I realized again that's so bizarre. So if you start to ramble from your head, your outside world is a reflection of your inner world. So the moment your outside world gives you different results, why are you not honest with yourself and in my case, I wasn't honest with myself and then you get those results. So I have to grin sometimes and I think, oh yes, so fucking serious, so simple, is it? Yes, and where can we be more honest with ourselves? So that was fantastic. The school was very painful, but I'm really grateful.

Jeroen van Lierop 21:04

When the top sport is over, you can start developing something new. Do you have to reinvent yourself?

Sanne van Paassen 21:10

No, no, no, I absolutely have to get. Came home and it was with myself.

Jeroen van Lierop 21:18

Did this come quickly? The idea, the new path.

Sanne van Paassen 21:20

Yes, yes, I actually already knew, say, at the end of my top-skill career, I knew that I was going to guide other ambitious people how they can win sustainably on all fronts of their lives People who also walk against the light, who have come a long way through willpower, notice that this is it now, or if I keep going this way, then the price I pay is much too high.

Sanne van Paassen 21:44

But I did have a few convictions. Who am I? And I had a commercial education, completely zero coaching experience and education. So then I told my friend who was a supervisor go start all by yourself. But still, I went to a job service and started following a course. Within two years my first client called me without knowing that I was planning this. He said I don't know if you do this, but I want to be your coach. I thought this is brilliant. So I just told you that I will soon give an experience about smooth sales. That feels unnatural to me, but for me it has always been about rolling and going very self-sufficient.

Jeroen van Lierop 22:29

Going self-sufficient.

Sanne van Paassen 22:30

Yes, that's pointless. Again, that's pointless. Yes, we have to explain why she has to laugh about it.

Jeroen van Lierop 22:38

Because we have a different opinion about it. Yes, or had Jeroen or had we're going to experience it.

Hoe creëer je een moeiteloos leven

Sanne van Paassen 22:47

Yes, I'm curious. Maybe it's in the meantime had have. Well, that's fun for me. I just shared on LinkedIn a post about how easy it is to run your business, that it's all about yourself, when you're really on the right track, that the flow is flowing. I noticed that. I noticed that my company doesn't have to work for that, and then you reacted yes, but why can't it be difficult? You always have to do your job for it there, but you can also run from a place, from a place of your company, that the work no longer feels like work, as if time flies and that also has something to do with Groningen and Kairos time, of course.

Jeroen van Lierop 23:37

Yes, but you think about it differently. No, I think about it the same way. Okay, for the people who think Gronos and Kairos Explain quickly.

Sanne van Paassen 23:49

Gronos is Gronos, how the time ticks. So the time is now, I think, half past three in the afternoon and we are here. In terms of time, we are here until half past four, until three o'clock, but it doesn't matter. But it can also be that we are here and I often have that that I am in the Kairos time and that we are here and that I think it's half past four, that in reality it's six o'clock, and then you're so in your hum, you're so nice to flow, there's such a synergy, and that is a effortless life. So then you're in your zone, in your state of being, where you get the time in a different dimension and the moment you're able to get a different dimension and the moment you are able to go to that dimension to create that dimension, that is effortless.

Jeroen van Lierop 24:53

Yes, I completely agree with that. No, I did indeed respond to that post. Also because I interpreted it as a word without any difficulty and I now see so many people act as if they are becoming a millionaire without any difficulty, and I absolutely don't blame you for that, I'm not a millionaire either but also in that Kairos time, I believe that you have to put your energy into it and that you can't go anywhere without putting your energy into it.

Sanne van Paassen 25:30

And.

Jeroen van Lierop 25:31

I could have described it better. Maybe Indeed, that can be effortless, but that does mean that that energy has to go.

Sanne van Paassen 25:38

Yes, but that doesn't mean that your heart has to work.

Sanne van Paassen 25:41

That's something else I couldn't have expected that there would be so many different things. But I can also imagine that I feel that a lot of people you know, they make certain statements and think that's not right with you, that doesn't fit. You say it but it doesn't flow, it's inconsistent. You promise something but it's not pure. And I really believe in going selflessly, flow, state of being, life that you think oh yeah, oh yes, that's what she knows, oh funny, and of course you have to focus your energy on it. And yes, of course I'm still a farmer's daughter. It's also up to the guest, but from the right place. And so you come from a place that is short, from fear, from it would not happen to me, or from proof. Or you come from a place of pleasure happen to me, or from evidence. Or do I come from the place of pleasure, of fat, cool, cool. That's a different place.

Jeroen van Lierop 26:44

Yes, and that costs another energy to take the next step. Yes, yes.

Sanne van Paassen 26:48

Yes, yes, yes.

Jeroen van Lierop 26:54

Without wanting to be silly, but that's just a question that comes to mind. Did you write your book without any trouble?

Sanne van Paassen 27:01

Writing my book. Yes, nice question, by the way the editing, wow Writing went in a flow. I didn't write my book from chapter 1 to chapter 7. So I wrote from 5 to 7 every morning, or 5 to 8, depending on how long I was in my flow. In the morning the world was still and I was already writing. And then I asked myself which part of my book do I want to write today? This also says about the type of person I am. I am always someone of the big picture, of the overview of the global, and if you ask me about the details, we just built it then I said really, send me a list with three choices that I can make about keeping the toilet roll, because I think it's really terrible. No details, you know. And that last part was really just okay. This is the deadline for Easter. You have to read this again. Go for it. But the writing process, yes, yes, that's beautiful.

Sanne van Paassen 28:06

Yes, yes, and now that I would write my book again, I would. I think I would better take the others in that, I would better take them in that I am very clear about the big picture, about the rough lines, and I would perhaps even dare to say, that meenemen, dat ik van het grote plaatje, van de grove lijnen heel helder ben, en het zou ik misschien zelfs wel durven zeggen van ik vertrouw jou het redigeren overlaten ja en dat ik het niet meer nog een keer over te zien.

Sanne van Paassen 28:28

Nee, dat zou ik echt helemaal loslaten. Ja of niet allemaal, dat kan ik niet zo goed zeggen. Dan krijg je een document terug met groot en dan denk je, dat is wel heel veel groot, maar iedere dt fout is groot. Als je mijn teksten leest, was ik daar. Then you get your document back with a lot of red, but every DT error is red. If you read my texts, I don't like that, ben. I think, bas, it's getting better, so that Gemierenheuk is also red. Don't call me with that Gemierenheuk. Don't call me, I'm not going to do it After that?

Jeroen van Lierop 29:01

yes, after your book and your career, after your top sport, you say that you're in a fantastic place. Yes, did you come up with this five years ago?

Sanne van Paassen 29:19

Yes, yes, I did think about it.

Jeroen van Lierop 29:23

Five years ago. I like that you dare to say that.

Sanne van Paassen 29:26

Yes, I have to laugh about it. I think, yes, it is like that, but you feel guilty. I don't feel guilty about it, but it is something that you notice. It's not natural how I grew up that I say this. That's where you get this laugh from. I thought five years ago that I would be successful in my top sport. I know everything you can think of if you really want to, but what do I really want and what is really necessary to live really well? Then there is not really much needed. So then I don't have much to want. So what do I still want if there is not really much needed To live to my satisfaction? So that is sometimes the thought circle, and lately I notice that a new dimension has been added and I feel like I want to go for that.

Jeroen van Lierop 30:24

And what is the new dimension? Do you want to share that?

Sanne van Paassen 30:27

Well, two things. On the one hand, business-wise or well, business-wise is just work-wise Giving the systemic work a much more. Give the systemic work a podium With everything I do. I even see systemic work on the podium in front of me With big groups. I only did it at my own event.

Sanne van Paassen 30:48

And if you think systemic work, what is that? You really start with the undercurrent, whereby, not from the answers coming from your mind, but from the field, the system that gives insights, that you can really give insights from where you think oh, that's why I always do what I do. Now that I've looked at that, something has changed for me, also in me. For me, this has helped a lot in yes, a piece of recovering from my injury, growing my company, letting the flow of my life go without difficulty. It meant a lot to me and then I can give it even more space in everything I do and, on the other hand, that I am going to use my company in other ways, so also investing in holiday houses.

Sanne van Paassen 31:39

I always saw in front of me I just talked about Dolomites, but that I have a few places in Southern Europe, in the Dolomites Ardennes I see here in the Netherlands, two houses in front of me and in Sweden. So there are, I think, five or six holiday houses, and not only holiday houses. I see it as a place. A holiday house sounds like you're going to your family, but I would also like you to write your book there. So the house in Portugal we just bought the house in Portugal. It will also be a place for rest, silence and a creation place For you with your clients or to go cycling very far, which is not unimportant. Still, you still cycle, right, yes, yes, it's a way of meditating, of being Very nice.

Jeroen van Lierop 32:35

I'm absolutely not a top athlete Not yet maybe but I have that with swimming, that's my sport. So when I dive into the water, that's so automatic that flows like that.

De kracht van in beweging zijn

Sanne van Paassen 32:47

I have that with swimming too, or swimming but not all of it Swimming, then I think already quickly I'm swimming all the time on the water. But in terms of movement, I think it's really fantastic Because the breathing is so important and that you breathe out well, that it is so decisive for your technique and that movement makes such an impact, so you just put your hand in differently. I think, wow, how fantastic that you can be so fine-tuned.

Jeroen van Lierop 33:14

Yes.

Sanne van Paassen 33:15

Yes, really, and that you feel that you are moving. Yes, it really can be, and that you feel that you are moving, yes, that is really fantastic. What does swimming mean to you? What does swimming?

Jeroen van Lierop 33:27

mean to me Pool. Yes, actually everything.

Sanne van Paassen 33:35

Oh, yes, even everything. Yes, yes, yes.

Jeroen van Lierop 33:38

Yes, yes, you know that's a nice question. Swimming means swimming is my origin. I came to the swimming pool earlier than I came to my grandpa and grandma.

Sanne van Paassen 33:48

Are you serious? Yes, yes, yes. So you grew up with the dad life right?

Jeroen van Lierop 33:50

Yes, yes, I know in the swimming pool. You can put me in the swimming pool, I could get out. I know it like this how old were you when you started swimming? I was five with swimming lessons, but I was always in the pool. My father swam and I was there always. So I grew up with the pool and when I walk past a pool and smell the glory then I come home and a little later, also as a volunteer. I did a lot of things and until today I can present big swimming competitions.

Sanne van Paassen 34:29

I learned a lot there and that's where my development is. Yes, cool and that's nice. We didn't have to do that. I take the movements, the sport, very often in my sessions. In the past it was always I go with you on the bike and then that is the basis of the way of working, either in one-on-one or in group sessions. That I did, and now I more like to vote. Where is this person and in what way or what form of movement is supportive of that? I'm going to walk with someone in a moment. The other time I'm going to bike, I'll take a boxer with me someday.

Sanne van Paassen 35:01

But the movement is so metaphorical for your own development and I think it's so fantastic and you probably recognize that very well. If you walk somewhere in your daily life or in your personal business development, it is much easier to train on another front, to first become independent of it and these skills, experience, energy, competencies to take with you what you want to change. So then you have it already embodied and then it integrates more easily in your life or even more, where I often go in search of Just when I was a lady who experienced some really traumatic things and she was also stuck in her business personal context and she told me how she felt about sports. I said how do you feel and how do you do it when you? She was very much into strength training your PR squad. And then she said like this.

Sanne van Paassen 35:56

You know, they suddenly came out. So if you take this energy with you to your context where you now have the question mark and she says, oh man, that works like this, oh jeez, Then I have that power pose. Before that meeting goes in, nothing can happen to me, and not from fighting that power pose, but just that she comes in from a certain energy From strength. Yes and rest, yes and connection.

Jeroen van Lierop 36:21

Yes, yes, that's funny because I'm not going to swim that much now because my challenge is not there physically. Yes, yes, so I'm doing crossfit, oh Metco, yes, yes, where Indoor with Fitpartners.

Jeroen van Lierop 36:37

Oh, yes, I can recommend it to everyone, and I'm really, I really have to get away from it. Shall we just write it down like that. But the experience you gain precisely through that physical work and precisely through the challenge and also learning to go over some limits, which I don't do so easily, so then yes, that is fantastic. That whole physical component, let's say, is much bigger than I thought myself, and I notice that again now that I'm doing it myself. Yes, yes.

Sanne van Paassen 37:16

Yes, and yet I assume you're still swimming, right?

Jeroen van Lierop 37:19

Not much.

Sanne van Paassen 37:20

yes, really. Please do that too, because there's your meditation, there's your rest, there's your being, and it depends on what phase your company is in. But I don't believe in that. But don't forget that rest you always need that rest. Sure, and if you just talk about swimming Then, for example, it's like coming home.

Sanne van Paassen 37:46

So, don't forget that I really have. When I'm on that bike again and I do it a lot less than before, and I'm also doing strength training, because my physical growth is much more there but when I'm on that bike I think, then something happens in my body. There comes an energy free, a memory that I think wow, and you have that too, and everyone who listens now also has that, and we must not forget how powerful that energy is.

Jeroen van Lierop 38:11

I'm going to take that with me, stronger still.

Sanne van Paassen 38:13

one of my clients I shared that on that post. One of my clients, also an old top athlete, and she shared a picture of me with Sanne. I'll never forget the first time I got a touch. She said this is Schaatsen. With Schaatsen, if I go back to that energy, then the world is man. I can do anything. That's incomprehensible. You know, if I connect with that, then I really feel. I just feel her energy. We often leave the comfort zone, but we must not forget the magic. The magic there you are in your Kairos time.

Jeroen van Lierop 38:56

Already Nice, also already, also already, yes, yes, beautiful hey.

Sanne van Paassen 39:04

Sanne, what is the next step for you? I don't know if there is a next step. It depends on what the next step is. What is the next step? Step Jeroen.

Jeroen van Lierop 39:21

Which next step are you curious about? No, because I want to fill it in.

Sanne van Paassen 39:25

You really want to leave it open? Well, look, it's now June. I'm really going into a slow summer. So really enjoy, nora, our family, go on holiday together, enjoy our home, enjoy this place. Here we will camp. So my next step is really to rest here.

Sanne van Paassen 39:49

But if you see, the next step in my business is to take that place, go outside with systemic work and also what there? That's quite new. I see something in front of me that I'm going to create at the end of the year that might be cool. I want to bring a group of people together, not just for the coaching, of course. I offer my programs for that but I know how nice it is to sometimes or sometimes preferably structurally to be in an uplift in the energy, and I know that I can create that context very well. So I want a group.

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Sanne van Paassen 40:28

I always say that I work with winners, peak performers that name still has to come to me but I want to bring a group of ambitious people together who want to go with each other for a year, with online meetings every now and then. I'm just going to bring in my talents. But basically, it's not about fixing something. It's purely from the inspiration, purely from hey, I'm going to hook up because I want to put in cool things this year and I believe in it. If I was with you, dusanne, and a group of inspiring people who also hook up with you, I would go much faster. So also with live meetings, and that will not be a live meeting in the sense of Go sit down Coachesessies or something.

Sanne van Paassen 41:13

No, it will be live meetings, co-creations of each other. So you see it like an inspiring network when the intention is to really yes say, your potential, your growth your place, your fire, yes, not even to double, but even more, you know really, to let it bloom Nice.

Jeroen van Lierop 41:42

And that's going to be at the end of the year.

Sanne van Paassen 41:46

We're going to keep an eye on it. Yes, yes. So that's a next step, and a next step is Portugal, of course.

Jeroen van Lierop 41:52

Yes, and what I find nice is that you also dare to say that it starts with peace. Yes, and what I like is that you also dare to say that it starts with peace.

Sanne van Paassen 41:59

Yes, yes.

Jeroen van Lierop 42:01

The ambition, indeed, also starts with taking care of yourself, resting, being able to start there and then take the next step. Yes, very much.

Sanne van Paassen 42:10

Yes, well, it's very cliché, but I actually have. If the basis is good, if you can enjoy what's going on, then the rest will come. So much more and much faster than you expect.

Jeroen van Lierop 42:23

That's just fantastic, yes certainly hey, at the end of a nice story and a nice conversation. Watch the show notes for all the data. Share the LinkedIn pages with Sanne and her website and also a link to her book. Of course, het leven dat is pas topsport. For all the information, share the LinkedIn pages of Sanne and her website and also a link to her book.

Sanne van Paassen 42:41

of course, Het leven, dat is pas topsport, het leven ja, dat is pas topsport, het leven is gewoon genieten, jongens. En dit is niet het einde. Dit is een nieuw begin.

Sanne van Paassen 42:53

Ja, Mijn laatste vraag is eigenlijk wat moet er nog gezegd worden worden? Nou ja, misschien is het wel mooi voor de lieve luisteraar, die er is, als je nu aan het luisteren bent ik zat net even met mijn ogen dicht, en misschien mag jij dat ook wel doen. Misschien, als je aan het autorijden bent, is dat niet zo handig. Maar check gewoon eens even, waar ben je vandaag al dankbaar voor geweest? Want op het moment, dat je echt dankbaar kan zijn voor wat er is, but just check, what you've been grateful for today, because the moment you can be really grateful for what's there, then the next step is closer than you think, and that's really like that. That's what I'm really looking at. Yes, Namaste.

Sanne van Paassen 43:36

Namaste.