The HeathenMachine Chronicles
The HeathenMachine Chronicles
Episode 31- Jiu Jitsu: A Journey Beyond the Mat - Training and Mental Resilience
Are you ready to harness the power of Jiu Jitsu, not just as a physical exercise, but as a methodology for mental resilience and personal discipline? We navigate the thrilling world of Jiu Jitsu, the mental fortitude it demands, and the valuable life skills it offers. Join us as we share captivating tales of Jiu Jitsu's evolution, its transformative effect on martial arts, and the unique perspective competition brings to your training. More than just a martial art, Jiu Jitsu is a pathway to understanding one's physical and mental thresholds.
Why Jiu Jitsu. Join us today. As we talk about Jiu Jitsu, the benefits, we touch on some training, strength and conditioning and things of that nature with Jiu Jitsu. So if you're curious about Jiu Jitsu, join us for this conversation because I think you're going to like it. Enjoy, be the machine Out. All right, man, let's start. We're going to be live. Let's go, let's do it. Let's do it. Kiers, how are you man?
Speaker 2:I'm fucking good man, I'm just happy to be here Hot today. Yes, it is. It's fucking terrible. Arkansas Missouri humidity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. So I don't always check the weather And this is one of those days where I should have checked the weather for my workout. So I just assumed it was going to be like a normal summer day. But when you live in this part of the country long enough, you realize that at night, 10 o'clock at night, if it's still in the upper 70s, low 80s, it's going to be a hot day. And so last night I was. I went outside and I was like whoa dude it's. It was like still 80 degrees at 10 at night. And so I knew I was like okay, we'll see. So I got up this morning, stepped outside and I was like all right. And then I looked at the weather and it was already heat advisory And I was like fuck. So I went out and started working out.
Speaker 1:So and this is my first training session since my competition, so the way I kind of like I kind of fucked up my competition prep because I miscaged the timing It was my first one. So yeah, but so I ended up going usually like I'll train for hard weeks And then like do a D load week. So for leaning up to the competition, i did, i did five hard weeks. And then, coming into that, because I do, i only do two sessions. I do Thursday and Sunday, or my, my two strength and conditioning days. So that Thursday was the weekend before the comp, so I just did like a real light workout. And then Friday Friday we rolled really light And then Saturday I didn't really do much of anything. I stopped over at Coops and we just went over like some last minute stuff like moves and crap like that. And then woke up Sunday, you know, rolled or well, did the competition. And then I trained Monday Jiu Jitsu. But I took Tuesday off because, like man, I was just dude.
Speaker 2:Day after competition is a rough day.
Speaker 1:Well, i actually felt pretty good, like I was weird, parts of my body were sore, like my triceps, dude, were super. Yeah, what about your neck, dude? My neck was okay but, like you know, i bashed it in that guy's knee. So I re heard it Monday wrestling And I was like, all right, i gotta be real careful, because leading up to me hurting my neck real bad last towards the end of last year, was all these little warning signs of like bro, let maybe just take a step back. And that's why I didn't go Tuesday, cause I was like I just know it's going to happen, i'm going to, i'm not going to be able to. I try to roll light, but it just never it never works out, yeah.
Speaker 1:And especially when you got like all you young cats, man, everyone's just like you're like fuck it, we're going, man.
Speaker 2:I try to match your energy And it's always the best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do good Now, you do real good with that. But like I just uh, yeah, so I hurt that my neck and uh didn't roll Tuesday, um, took Wednesday off And then today. So today was like my first uh, real like hard session back and holy shit, like, so I'm changing up my, uh, i'm changing up my rep scheme Cause if there's one thing that that a takeaway from my competition, uh, i think that I'm going to be able to do that. Uh, i think it. Probably it made me realize how important muscular endurance is. Like strength is super important And that'll always be a component. But, um, this go around, i'm going to start doing like the jocco method, where I'm going to like 20 rep, like deadlifts, 20 rep, like today, um, so it's my first week into this block and it's usually like my acclimation week, so it'll I won't go all too crazy. So I did 15 reps on my trap bar.
Speaker 1:I like to 75 and my legs hurt Cause I like to do low bar. I like to do low bar, like on the trap bar, the underneath I always use the low bar. So when I haven't, i haven't trapped our dead lifted and like God, couple months, months, months, months and months, because and that was such a staple of my routine was a trap bar deadlift. So do my legs are fried. It was hot out Like. I was out there at a lot between. Let me see, i started at about 10 30 and finished up about 12 15 and I was bro, i was like I fucking It was rough.
Speaker 2:I skipped out on squats Like a fucking idiot for like maybe a month, month and a half. I just wasn't, really I wasn't being super disciplined with my routine. I decided to come back and you know what? I don't want to go heavy, so I'm going to do like a three by 10 at like a fairly decently heavy weight and, son of a bitch, my fucking hamstrings. We're just crying for the next like four days, man, oh my God Walk around.
Speaker 1:We do the things we do for her, for health and for jujitsu, yep. So, yeah, that's what we're going to talk about today. We are going to dive into jujitsu. I had my competition over the weekend and honestly it just it really changed a lot of the way I've used you jitsu. You know, because you and so many other people have competed. you know, always tell me like it's different, like there's training and you get a lot of value from it.
Speaker 1:But when you, when you get out there and you're competing against total strangers who have just as much to prove as you do and they want to be successful, also competing, really put jujitsu in the perspective for me, because I guess, the way I saw it was, competition is going to be, i think, the closest a person can get to being in like like an actual situation where you have to. like self-defense situation, yep, and yeah, granted, it's give rafts, there's rules and you tapping and all this other stuff, but but here's the thing, man, like you know, if you're in a self-defense situation, you get caught in that Like you have to fight your way out of that, right. And so I think when you're just training jujitsu and you miss out on that competition aspect. I think that's a big chunk of the importance of of jujitsu and what it can, what it can do for you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, man. Um, I kind of view it like this man. I feel like we have extremely good training partners. at the gym We're at, we have some very tough fucking guys, very strong guys, but at the same time. Well, and girls, of course. But man, i feel like if you don't test yourself in any capacity, i feel like it's kind of like you're building a boat but you're never putting that boat out on the lake.
Speaker 1:You know you never never know Yeah. And if it's going to sink or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, And I granted, I know we're going to have people listening that are going to be like, well, you know you're not getting punched in the fucking face. and then jujitsu turned.
Speaker 1:And you know it's a dude.
Speaker 2:I understand Like there is a lot of schools where it's watered down enough, right, they don't ever really take into account striking. but dude Tommy takes into account fucking striking like he. that is his bread and fucking butter.
Speaker 1:So I talked to some of the guys I was in line with right in the get onto the mats and I was talking about that. I was like, well, you know my I was like the school I go to, you know, our jujitsu is very fight, mma, self-defense oriented. So, yeah, we're working clothes guard, we're working guard passing, we're working submissions, but we're also working on like, oh, if you're in this position, you can throw an elbow, yep, or if you're you know what I mean And they'll are here you can throw a knee right into their side and we work stand up and we work punches, and so that's. I think that's one of the things I really like about LC is is.
Speaker 1:It's funny because you know we're going to read some excerpts from the Hicks and Gracie book Breathe, but Hicks and Gracie talks about the importance of exactly what we're talking about is jujitsu is is is so effective.
Speaker 1:But if you can't get a person to the ground, then you know that's going to be a problem. So, like, you need to know how to get someone to the ground, but you also have to be situationally aware, because you don't always want to go to the ground. And again, that's why, like the school we go to, because we train a lot of stand up and how to escape, like if we end up on the ground and we don't want to be there, how to escape And and you know, i think that's the value of the wrestling aspect of what we do too, because it's like I know there's a lot of jujitsu schools that I think a lot more of them are adding the wrestling component, but I think there's still probably more that don't. Oh, absolutely. There's a great number Right Where they're just they, like they, just they pull guard and like stand up. We're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, So they happen to when I cross train at a school. I asked the guy. I was like hey, man, you want to start standing up? We can't do that Like oh OK, that's weird Fucking crippled, i don't know, And I was like I just thought it was very weird. Yep, And I was. You know, I was only a five month, six month white belt at that point.
Speaker 2:Well, you know when you are first starting. I know Tommy doesn't implement the rule If he doesn't really want to start standing or do? people don't know how to fall. They're bracing with their arm. You know like well he tells you that?
Speaker 1:Yep, you know he's like. I remember when I first started he said like the first couple of months he's like start on your knees, you know, and then like, or guard, yeah, And then you'll get there to start stand up, or now it's like 5050. I'm doing like, leading up to this competition, i started mostly stand up with anybody that wanted to work, stand up, and then I think so I'm going to do that Memphis a GF in August. So I think you know, now that we got that wrestler there, i think I'll probably We need to work with that guy man. Yeah, Well, because you know, at that competition the trips were there And if I, if I got better position on the upper body, like the single legs probably would have been there too, if I was maybe a little more savvy at getting those Like I think, um, yeah, i don't know that the stand up elements is like really important, and but that I think that was the one interesting thing I did see at this competition was, uh, i just didn't see a lot of people pulling guard.
Speaker 1:I mean, i saw a lot of people. Well, they stand, not necessarily like there's quite a few wrestlers, um, but like there was a lot of heavy forward pressure and like I had a couple of guys try to swipe at my legs. So, like the, i think that current's changing. You know, it seems like it is.
Speaker 2:It seems like maybe for that competition. I see I've seen a lot of guard.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's what I assumed, that that that's what was going to happen to me, like people are going to just try to pull their guard and pull me into it And I'm thinking like, yeah, i'm going to do the guard pass to smash around and didn't work out that way, you know, and that's why I ended up getting You didn't fucking know, i know Right.
Speaker 2:That's which is plan C or D is what's usually going to go through.
Speaker 1:Man that well, that was another takeaway from that. Competition was having multiple avenues. So if one thing's not working like, have something in your back pocket and see that's. I think where in my first match, my no-gey match, i didn't have wasn't thinking that way, i was just very one track hyper fix.
Speaker 2:Like I want to do this fucking thing right here.
Speaker 1:And while at the same time I didn't want to end on the bottom or or anything like that. So I would hold a bad bit like I would just stay in his guard, even though he wasn't like threatening anything. And when he did I escaped out of it. You know triangles, i was pretty easily able to escape out of it. You know that company. You know leaving that competition like there's, there's a lot of things I think a lot of people don't understand about jujitsu. You know they. It's easy to be critical of it when you're not a part of it I was. You know it's easy to kind of poke fun at because it looks ridiculous. I mean, it looks super gay.
Speaker 2:It is fucking awkward the first day or two.
Speaker 1:Craig Jones, he wears that tie.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God. Yeah he wears the goofy as shit. I fucking love him.
Speaker 1:He's doing that tonight Is there UFC fight pass? Oh shit, yeah, flippa penha and Nikki Rod and I don't know who else. And then they got that I can't say his name. Really really good, really like a black guy. I think he's from, i think he's from overseas, but man, he's awesome. Yeah, really really good skill. Tall, he's like six to, i think. Oh, he's just a lanky as shit.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yeah, those dudes are fucking dangerous.
Speaker 1:I think he submitted cyborg at 80 CC like super fast. I think that's what I'm thinking of. So yeah, they're. But the one thing I think I really liked seeing was the, the community aspect of jiu-jitsu, because you know, you know you're training at your gym and like you have your little micro community of the gym, right, Like all the people that train all the time, I think. but then I'll go to this competition and it was crazy. It was like everybody kind of knew each other and such cool people. Well, yeah, like you'd see coaches and practitioners talked and you know, like chatting about their life, and then they go out on mats, compete against each other, try to smash your fucking head and like best friends after right And then hug and shake hands and then they go right back to talking about whatever.
Speaker 1:And it was just really cool to see that. And I think you know when I, when I think about the value of jiu-jitsu in my own life, like I started jiu-jitsu because I felt like I was getting soft. You know, a couple of years ago I was visiting my parents up when they used to live up in Michigan And we had this confrontation with this, these drunken fools down the road, and I just remember thinking, like you know, i am confident in my strength. Yes, like you know, i'm not worried, but I realized I'm like I don't if, like I had to be honest, i'm like if I actually get into a fight, i'm like I don't know as much as I probably really need to know. And that was kind of a wake up call for me because I had been away from that for so long. I'm living on the road.
Speaker 2:Long time before us, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and so I. so I had that situation And so I finally came to a point where I'm like I need to probably start getting into something And like I found they'll see and the rest is history. I mean, it's like jiu-jitsu is rough, right, it's rough, and Yeah, your fucking ears swell up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get busted off the fucking time, yeah, but, like when you're done, you feel there's like the sense of invincibility you feel, because people who don't train in any kind of grappling don't understand the kind of strength you build and develop when you're grappling against another human being who is either has equal skill or is stronger than you, bigger than you, and you have to figure out well, how am I going to approach this person? And they're trying to choke you. They're trying to crank on your limbs and grown ass man. Yeah, and you have to resist that. You've got to fight out of it, either by using strength or technique or a combination of both. Yeah, and like. I think the value of that is it can't be under, it can't be overstated.
Speaker 1:Let me read this passage here real quick. So I'm going to switch over to brief and it's about Hicks and Gracie. Now, if you don't know who Hicks and Gracie is, hicks and Gracie is considered widely to be probably the most talented Gracie out of all of them, like with his jujitsu and his fighting. Was it Hoist Gracie that fought in the UFC in the early days? Was it Hoist? So it was originally supposed to be Hicks and he was supposed to. Well, you read the book.
Speaker 1:It's been a while, but yes, he was supposed to be the guy fighting in the UFC, not Hoist, but it's in the book. So if you guys want to read the book, i would highly recommend it. He family drama business. Oh God, he decided to not do the UFC, he did Valitudo instead. He went over to Japan and dominated over there. He would have dominated it, he would have been see.
Speaker 1:I kind of wish we would have saw Hicks and Gracie, because he was so much more aggressive than Hoist was. Like he strut. He wasn't just a guard puller Like Hicks and would stand and trade and go for the takedown where Hoist pulled guard almost every single time And it worked. Oh, people know what the fuck to do, right, but now I mean, look look at the debacle of Cron Gracie. Did you see that? Oh, dude, it was he. Oh, you got fucked up to me Why you just butt, scooted across the octagon. Yeah, he lost.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, like you can't do that anymore, like everyone's savvy to jujitsu and the weak points of jujitsu And that's one of the weak points It has been the takedowns. So you know, it got exploited, but anyway. So Hicks and Gracie um, i think that's why, like the LC and Tommy, you know, because that's the mindset they all have, like Hicks, and firmly believed you needed to be able to strike and takedown and the fight on the ground and get back up. He says it in the book. He firmly believed that. I don't know where, i don't know where the turn took to where jujitsu became, or it's becoming kind of watered down, you know.
Speaker 2:But I think anytime anytime you try to mass produce something.
Speaker 1:look at like karate schools, like it's just there Well and that's what's too bad about karate, because if you know you look at, look at karate combat now like karate is legit. Yeah, if you get into the right karate dojo you can like karate. you can fuck somebody up.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which I hate to. I hate to barge into this, but, dude, i seen a fucking story yesterday. I think McDowell July covered it. This guy no, I love McDowell July.
Speaker 1:He's fucking hilarious, right, but this 17 year old girl and her 15 year old boyfriend.
Speaker 2:This is overseas, i think it was, no, i'm not sure. Anyway, they were on the beach. These four dudes come up, literally throw this fucking boyfriend off a cliff into the water. He lived, he goes and gets help. And this guy who was running a bar nearby, who the kid found? he runs up and he is a karate practitioner. They are trying to rape this girl and he fucking beats all of their ass. Hell yeah, hell yeah. He literally saved this girl from being like completely sexually assaulted. Hell yeah, like. He called the cops first, granted, which was fucking smart, yes, but you know these guys, literally they had two of them had rocks, one of them had a twisted piece of aluminum to stab him with And one of them had like something else sharp they're trying to stab him with. And he kicked all their fucking ass. Good, cracked the shirt around his hand. Good, literally, i mean dude. I'm not sure if you can see it, but literally I mean dude. That's what's up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was fucking sweet, i'm like God damn dude, i love seeing a martial art applied in a self-defense situation. I don't care what it is, it's cool to see because I think I just I think people have been martial arts gets so misrepresented in movies. You know, it's seems to go All right. We cannot go there, dude. Oh my God. Dude, is that Akito Is?
Speaker 2:that what he does. Akito Harakido Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fucking hate that guy so much. Dude, okay, go ahead. So does everyone else, apparently, man Michael Jai White. You know Michael Jai White. Yeah, he's legit And even he had issues with him. I'm like Michael Jai White, what fuck? Steven Segal up like that dude's as bad ass as he get, like he's totally and he's strong as shit, that seems going to his ass kicks.
Speaker 2:so bad, Yeah, but dude he's so old now man. Fuck him. I don't care. Break that motherfucker's head, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just made it look cool, like you know, choreographed fucking action scenes, like that's the point is, society has been so like I don't know if he sensitizes the right word to use, but like I feel like martial arts it's just, it's in movies, it's like goofy, like people watch it and they're like, yeah, whatever, this is fun. Nobody thinks that that can actually happen. and it doesn't happen. that way, like when you watch mixed martial arts, like that's more realistic, like that's more what's likely to happen.
Speaker 1:And even in a street fight situation, you know, if you're trained and the other person is not, then buckle up because I mean, who knows what that other person's going to fucking do. And again, that kind of goes back to the value to Jitsu is learning how to control somebody and not necessarily having to hurt them. but it's like if it's just a one-on-one and you're not, you know, but it's not gonna stop, you're saying like there's not, there's no threat of like their friends coming in, you can just Secure someone to hold in there. you can even do it standing up if the person's small enough, i guess you don't actually have to fucking, you don't have to knock them out.
Speaker 2:Why about their head hitting the concrete? like you can literally just hold someone without fucking Enduring them absolutely like those back takes we were working on.
Speaker 1:Yep, those chokes and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:It's like you can get those from any position you know it's so. Yeah, okay, so, let me, let me. So this is from the foreword written by Jocko Wilnick, and I'm assuming most people listen. There's probably no Jocko is, i would imagine. So yeah, if not, just look look up Jocko. Okay. So This is what he says when he was bored. So this is when Jocko got to roll with Hicks and Gracie himself. This is back when he was a blue belt, like 225 pounds. This was. This is what he says when he was bored with my pitiful attempts at survival.
Speaker 1:We stopped sparring and talk for a bit. He asked me about seal training And he related to the warrior culture of my occupation. He also gave me an assessment of my jiu-jitsu. I Quote you do a good job, staying calm and bad positions, that is an important thing. Soon, and quote Soon, the class was over, we shook hands and I think takes in first time and for his knowledge.
Speaker 1:Over the next few days I thought about what he had told me you do a good job, staying calm and bad positions, that is an important thing. I realized that this did not apply only to Jiu-jitsu, it applied to my job in the seal teams as well. You're gonna get put in bad positions. The enemy might get the upper hand. You might be outnumbered or outgunned. Panic will destroy you. You have to remain calm and That, right there, i think, is the number one. Great greatest benefit of jiu-jitsu is Learning to stay at home, learning to identify that you're not in danger, or Learning to identify when you're panicking versus when you're an actual danger. Because I think people, you know, i mean when we first started, dude, you are so tense, right, and like you get caught in a weird thing and you just happen because, like I don't know what to do, i can't breathe, you know. But it's like, well, you know, you can breathe, like you, just you're not breathing Freely. Yeah, you have someone trying to strangle you. But see this, now this, let me see here I'm gonna, i'm gonna piggyback that Forward with another part and then we'll go on.
Speaker 1:So this comes later in the book where Hicks in his 13. He loses his first tournament. He panicked, tapped to was it jiu-jitsu or value to do? it was jiu-jitsu. He was a huge kid, he was like 13. So this is what he said Let's see At 13, a big guy got me in the tight, in a tight headlock.
Speaker 1:Instead of calmly defending my neck, i panicked, struggled and eventually tapped out. I was embarrassed that I tapped while Hollis watch had watched and Hollis Gracie was. Was Was at the time considered the most talented Gracie, but he tragically passed away. Okay, so this is continuing with Hicks and I got home and asked him to roll me up in the carpet for 10 minutes And not let me out, no matter how loud I screamed or begged. It was summertime and very hot and real. The rug stank. During the first few minutes, inside the carpet cocoon, i thought I might suffocate and die. Once I resigned myself to my fate and embrace the discomfort, my breathing slowed and I lost all sense of time. The next day, my brother rolled me up for 15 minutes and by the end of the week I had conquered my fear.
Speaker 1:This experience taught me an important lesson about jiu-jitsu. Sometimes it's not about escaping, but about finding whatever comfort you can in hell. That's powerful man. Yes, that, i think, is the power of jiu-jitsu. Like when we hear people talk about Seeking discomfort right or things like that, because that's we hear that a lot nowadays and Like well, what does that mean and what is seeking like? I think jiu-jitsu is the one obvious modality training system, self-defense system, martial arts system that someone could get into. That will Almost immediately increase your confidence And it will also increase your durability and your ability to handle really shitty situations like Being rolled up in a fucking carpet. I'm claustrophobic.
Speaker 2:You know, fucking hot it is in Brazil. dude, yeah, right, yeah well, i'm claustrophobic, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so when I was in the Marine Corps, we were training with the French foreign legion and We were doing what we're doing this. It was called a C cap course and it was a air and C obstacle course. So on the land course there's a portion where we had to we had to Belly crawl through these like a tunnel, like a really small tunnel, yeah, dude. So I got in there mid and that's where I learned I had I was claustrophobic because, like they, i got stuck in there, like the people in ahead of me were taking their sweet-ass time. So I get in the tunnel. It's hot, you know, summer in fucking Africa, jaboody, africa, jaboody, and so it's really hot. And I'm in this tunnel and like the sides of my vision start coming, yeah, and my section leader was behind me. I start kicking. I'm like get out, and like. So, yeah, i had to wait for everyone to go through and and crawl through.
Speaker 2:But Here's the thing you backed out and then still crawled through after the well, after the, everyone got out, so I can just go through real quickly.
Speaker 1:And So I remember when I first started jujitsu that that was something I knew I was gonna have to deal with, absolutely, and and so here I am, over a year in, and I Can't even tell you, last time I even panicked, tapped, i mean, it probably stopped by the third week, dude, fucking.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you what dude Shane is he? he makes you feel like he's being hard on you, but he fucking gets you used to being in a good, like a shitty spot. Yes, you're so much more comfortable after he gets through conditioning. Yes, what got you into jujitsu? What made you take the punch nuts like okay, i don't remember, it was Okay. So, like I told you, i did the stint before nerfing school.
Speaker 1:That's right. I did a six-month stint.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly I don't even remember much of it and when I started, i think it was after I Had a breakup It was my first, my first girlfriend ever. We had a breakup, yeah and you know, i was just like kind of just pissed off. Honestly, i needed I don't know why I went. It was just like I need like some sort of outlet and I tried it and, dude, i really don't remember a whole lot. I remember it was like I Was like man, i get my ass kicked all the fucking time. But you know, like I remember learning some stuff and like when I came back, i remembered I retained some information. I was still dog shit, but like Man, i don't remember the initial thought process because it was so long ago. I remember I wanted to do boxing to mm-hmm and I'm gonna kick boxing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i wanted to do kickboxing to and I remember staying after and doing that and stuff. and man Trevor Trevor Anderson, yeah, so I cannot wait for you to meet him when he comes back.
Speaker 1:I've met him.
Speaker 2:I know, but gets like actually, i know right.
Speaker 1:So I mean, i fucking love learning from him.
Speaker 2:But anyway, i remember he helped me a lot with striking and stuff and it was just uh, i Knew, once I graduated I was like I have to get back in there, like I can't just fucking give up on this, like this is too good to just never go back.
Speaker 1:And I'm very happy with my decision, even though all my joints pop and I Yeah, you know, they say Jiji, jiji to ages you a bit, and I think there's some validity to that statement, because I Hurt in weird ways. But but, but your body adapts and You hear this a lot. Right, you hear people when they just like Joe Rogan talks about this a lot about when you Grab hold of like a wrestler or grappler, they just feel different. They feel like wood, like Tommy dude's, like wood, like iron, he's a grip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like grainy, like just a lifetime of wrestling and grappling and fighting, like it turns your body into just Something that can absorb impact and fucking give it. Yeah, and then if you if you're not striking you can go twist someone's arm right off. Literally Twist someone's arm off like a chicken wing, no problem, like any one of us could do that right now. Yep, like Most of the white belts at our school could twist your fucking arm off. You know, like, which is crazy to think about. Like I tell people who are always hesitant about jujitsu Well, there, and I get why, man, because I fucking it's social media. You'll people post these horrific injuries and like people get in their arms, bet and broke. I love to send you like that's a Action. I don't think one person got hurt at all at this tournament, not a single person. If they did, it wasn't it? There was no bone or anything like that. Yeah, nothing crazy.
Speaker 2:Nothing crazy happened and 90% time the person who got the ship broke its. Their fucking fall, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, or the rare occasion I did see one where a guy was trying to like work a triangle and he grabbed his ankle. He snapped his own leg across the guy's back.
Speaker 2:How in the fuck do you do that? Do that man never had a drop of milk in his whole life.
Speaker 1:What he literally broke his own leg. It was a going across the guy's neck and you can see the guy. He covered his ears. It probably was loud as shit because me and Josh were grappling and we were in the geek Yeah, and we're against that back wall. He was. He had a clothes guard on me. I forgot what he was doing. But Are you trying to give me a triangle or something? But so I leaned into the wall and I accidentally Smushed his foot and I and it was right by my head, so I just here's. I was like, oh my god, dude. I immediately stopped like bro, are you okay? And he just was like Yes.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's broken. Then It was okay. But, like dude, having that so close to my ear was kind of disturbing because he just hear it all. You're like what the fuck? Yep, dude, your foot's broke. He's like, no, no, i was like, but what was all that shit? Yeah, why did I hear glass like it sounds terrible and like when I was so okay? so The guy I grappled in my first game match Yeah, tough, tough, yeah, super flexible wrists, and I was I tried to marry con on him before I got it eventually and I remember his wrist bending and I heard it like cracking and like dude did not tap, just Was great and Baron and man, and and then that's when Shane's like he's got, he's flexible man, he got you're gonna have to like readjust.
Speaker 1:And then that's when we we were broke up and then reset in the middle and I just Immediately tacked that arm and I think the key was like getting more separation between the head. Yep, you know, with the elbow, like separating that out and stuff like that. You try to get the elbow lower. No, i went high with it. So it's probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i gotta fucking suck that shit to the side. I know that's where I fucked up.
Speaker 1:Watch his range of motion, just Bottom out that's okay because it's like, look, that's something I can work on, yep, and that's the cool thing about this competition like we're talking about before we started recording, like you know, and Tommy's said it and everyone who's competed said it but I Don't think you can really ever gauge where you're at in your Jiu-Jitsu game until you come, until you put your Okay, so you don't even have to compete cross train at other gyms. Yeah, right then. And then that way that'll give you like, if you don't want to compete, and if you're at a gym, they don't care, then you could go cross train, man, like, go to other gyms and roll with people you never rolled with. Because I now understand the The necessity of competing. It's well, it's not necessary. But if you're serious About your Jiu-Jitsu and if you're serious about wanting to be really good, then you should compete or serious about fucking defending yourself.
Speaker 2:Yes, you have to have that simulated pressure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because all those people at that competition, they're just as nervous, yep, but they're, and they're coming at you at a hundred and fifty fucking percent. It was funny because I remember Cooper kept telling me he's like dude, it's gonna be different. It's gonna be different, and I knew he was right. But, like You can only understand what they, what someone, means by that, until you're there You're like whoa, this is different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, fucking get it now because that adrenaline really carries you through. Like when I started my first match, like You know, my breathing was a little off and I was just nervous and stuff like that. But I Don't know, we got, we got into it and my adrenaline kind of took over and And once the match was over I walked off of Matt and, like I remember, my whole right arm was just Like the cat dude filled with.
Speaker 1:I felt like it was gonna burst and I was like, and I don't even remember, no, i was like I Don't even remember it, i didn't feel it yet, you don't feel it at all. And so That's when I realized I'm like okay, i got to relax. I got to relax more because so, this is what happened with my, my G match. So I submitted that guy Mm-hmm. So this is, this is how it all played out. We got on, we got on the mat, that guy Grappled with the guy who eventually beat me. They went first. So then they're like okay, you're gonna get five minute break, and then I was gonna grapple with the other guy, loser, winner of that match, the loser okay. But so these black belts come in and they have to jump in so They do a match on our mat. So because what they're refing? so they had to get in, so they do their match.
Speaker 2:Would you think of the black belt match? really quick, it was good, super well, they didn't hear. No ghee, there's ghee, oh shit. Watch them. Try to get grips.
Speaker 1:It was actually pretty good. It was actually really good match. The one guy was really strong, but the other guy was really lanky and he beat him on points, but it was still a good match. So So they grapple the black belts, go, and then I Go and I grapple the guy that lost Mm-hmm. Meanwhile the other guy who won, he's on 15 minutes of rest already, damn it. So I, i beat the. So I think, and I think it was about the three minute mark. I submitted that guy, i got five minutes rest And then that was it. So like this guy comes in 20 minutes fresh And I'm like I was mostly recovered, but like my right arm was still kind of dude, i understand.
Speaker 2:yeah, i had a massage my arm last time, so I'm bringing my third gun.
Speaker 1:Next time I'm bringing this third gun and that was because that that The third gun is money. Yeah, so I should. I wish I would have brought it. I'm definitely bringing it next time. So five minutes goes by and I'm like I have to get back on there. I was like fuck, and then I, i Was just like I was tired, you know, and that really sucked because I Mean if I would have had a bit more. Now I can't be upset because that just tells me that I can, i can do more work on my conditioning.
Speaker 2:It just tells me yeah, but dude, That's like that adrenaline Yeah that's not. You can't hardly fucking train that man.
Speaker 1:I'm like you're right.
Speaker 2:That's true. I mean doing wrong. I'm sure your conditioning could improve in some way. Shape man. Or be a man for an old fart. You're in pretty fucking good shape, man, like Jesus, pretty good cardio. It's just that it's that damn like it's that damn adrenaline like that. Yeah, you realize it, but your grip is so fucking tight, oh.
Speaker 1:Man and I'm like so, and I Cooper keeps saying this. It's like oh, and there's actually a really good Passage in here that that ties into this. I'm gonna read it real quick. So this is also coming from breathe, and this is this is Hicks and Gracie on training. We trained so hard in the academy that tournaments seemed easy. Helio believed that the hearty train, the easier you fought. We learned at a very young age that there was no point in chickening out because it wouldn't get you out of anything, and so we were talking about how our style of training, especially at our gym, is so like Controlled aggression, right? everyone, everyone there is really good about like nobody's ever hurt each other. You know which is crazy? Yeah, like I'm, you know you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah and but yeah, we're like, we're usually training like 70%, which I think is awesome because I Mean other than competing, that's about as intense as you're gonna get, you know, and we've got so many up like upper belts at our gym and and so like. For me as a white belt, it's. It's so awesome because when I do go to this, these, you know, this competition, it's it's just you can tell. You can tell a person skill almost immediately, like what they try to do or what they don't try, like the guy not getting his hooks, it like for me to your back, that's almost. That's pretty fundamental. Yeah, like, yeah, and and it. Granted, i mean it was his first competition too, so he's probably the same thing going on, just nerves and and and like just mad respect to him for even competing, really, really good guy. But I knew that when he didn't get those hooks and I was like well, i'm, he's not staying on my back, like there's no fucking way He's staying on that such like.
Speaker 2:I mean That's such a. You know it seems like such a crude oversight from where we're standing. You know that tunnel is a real thing. It's a real thing. You can forget something small and be okay, but there's some things you just can't fucking forget, like you cannot forget to put your hooks on before you get on somebody's back, like dude, it's so important.
Speaker 1:But you know it's funny, because When people don't do, don't know jiu-jitsu like I would, it would never think that how often?
Speaker 2:How often do you see people actually in movies when they do like a reneged choke? How often people actually put their hooks in because that shit cracks me? never. John Wick done. Watch John Wick do it, he does samba to oh, he does. Yeah, but anyway he does it on some of those movies.
Speaker 1:Ah, I've seen it, maybe an instance that maybe like five times like you don't actually see jiu-jitsu a lot in movies, no, unless it's like a Stupid fucking MMA movie or something. Fighter, i'm gonna fight you should so lame. Yeah, i bet you look. Well, i bet you'll have it in Roadhouse. The remake that hope nobody watches because nobody fucking asked for it.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's kind of a record. The bad guy, i don't know what I don't know. Oh yeah, fucking Shit man, that's gonna be fucking. I hope it's. I do kind of hope it's good, though, like I mean, i fucking love that original so much, that is you can't replace.
Speaker 1:Swayze man, no man. And who the fuck wants a Roadhouse? remake anyway, you know, when the original still so good like all these remakes are doing terrible, yeah, like, and They want to blame the fans. That it's like. No, you idiot. It's because, like all, holly Hollywood thinks originality anymore is like gender swapping, race swapping. And There's your remake. Oh Well, we're gonna do ghost, we're gonna remake ghost buzzers, but they're gonna be all women like. Why.
Speaker 1:Why yeah, it's already there, like your fan base is already there. Yeah, they're fans of the original characters. Like you, don't need to change it. That's why I failed.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but they'll blame the fans were toxic or racist or whatever like they always have an Alex like oh Right, well, it's always, it's always.
Speaker 1:It's always our fault, yeah, for not wanting the garbage that they're serving up. And, like the writers, they're on strike and it's like good, yeah, nobody wants your garbage, it's still going on. Yeah, holy shit, how funny is it? Nobody gives a fuck. How funny is that, cuz nobody knows it's going on. Yeah, i wait. Good, writers are on strike. A couple.
Speaker 2:Like a month or two ago, i thought I heard about it They're still going, huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's no end in sight, and like I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck I mean especially the public because Okay, wow, sorry, we don't, we're not gonna be lectured to anymore. Oh no, you serve a shit and then complain We don't like it, like yeah, oh they're, they're review bombing or or people just didn't like it. Yeah, how about that? like you're a fucking thing of that possibility.
Speaker 2:You know, i love when there's a huge differential between like critics and you and viewers like yeah, we're like the rock made a score, so good like users, like this is like 7%, like this is dog shit.
Speaker 1:Well, that happened with the flash. Oh, they got pretty good reviews And I think the element, element, elementals that stupid fucking Pixar movie that just came out I don't know it is stupid, but they bombed. I mean, yeah, bombed horribly And it's like, well, no shit for one who's fucking. The superhero genre is the lamest of all. It's so fucking lame. I get people that listen, there's probably love that shit. Yeah, but like I, i love comics, but I liked non superhero comics. I like science fiction comics and The superhero shit I got into was typically Batman or spawn like that spawn, especially image comics, darker.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, i think that's why I like shows okay, because they're just there, they're. I don't think anyone can deny that their Marvel has just done, put out so much. I think that's why shows like the boys they just like turn everything on its head and kill the fucking heroes, like that's why that shit's popular. Because, like you know, like well, it's too.
Speaker 1:It's like all these, all these Marvel movies They're just the childish, they're fucking childish.
Speaker 2:There's some one big CGI cluster.
Speaker 1:Oh, the CGI is terrible, like the writings, awful the store. Look man, the thing about a good story is you have to have something at stake and there's nothing ever. It's like it's just gets bigger, like it gets so big. Like who fucking? all the multiverses are in danger. Like who fucking cares? man, it's gonna be fixed by the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:You know exactly. I'll tell you what the peak of popularity would probably be. So I think it was which movie wasn't worth it. I was fucking snapped. I don't remember if you watch any of them. It was one of the Avengers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but dude, like they killed off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they killed off Infinity war. Was that right? Was that fucking no, but anyway, he killed off half the characters right at the end of the movie. I think I'll come back. I know I'm not here to fucking stay. I was like holy shit, They just actually took a chance and killed off all these people.
Speaker 1:That's bad, i'll be back. They're already back. Yeah, of course they are. So it's like who the fuck cares except Iron Man? Well, he'll be back as a girl or something. No, and there's even talks of him coming back as, like what dude.
Speaker 2:Bob Downey Jr. Yeah, why, like fucking? I Mean to be fair. Ever since then it's been kind of like You know what it's funny is?
Speaker 1:I think with the flash, i think they thought, like bringing back Michael Keaton, ben Affleck, that it was gonna somehow help the movie and I could just no one gave a fuck. No, i gave a fuck, yeah which well They were trying.
Speaker 2:I think they've tried to rip on, like the whole Spider-Man hit, because they brought back all the old Spider-Man's and The latest movie they have that Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield. Maybe they were trying to kind of like riff off that and use that.
Speaker 1:Have you seen that? What is it? that's? the spider-verse one, the animated one. Have you seen those?
Speaker 2:miles, morales one.
Speaker 1:I haven't me neither.
Speaker 2:No, but then again, I'm not just, I'm not out looking for superhero movies. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll probably watch Guardians of the Galaxy 3 because I like the first two and they're the least Superhero like out of any of them, like, like. I feel like Guardians of Galaxy is like a good science fiction, yeah, like story and show, like you could remove it from Marvel completely and it's still really cool. Mm-hmm, i would would prefer it be separated from That whole thing because, like they don't. I think that's why Guardians of Galaxy has always done well, because it feels the least like a superhero movie. It's like they're often space flying around in spaceships, so it's like Star Wars, you know, it's like you look at it like that way. What about X-Men? though? You fuck with X-Men. I did in the early 90s, though, when they were like edgy Yeah, because that's man used to be edgy like I don't know. They're kind of cheesy now, but like in the 90s the X-Men were, it was dark. It was like a really dark comic series and especially Wolverine I fucking love. Like I Wish they did an honest, like a More accurate Wolverine.
Speaker 2:I wish they had.
Speaker 1:Logan dude. Do you watch Logan? Yeah, but Wolverine okay.
Speaker 2:He's six foot three. Why is he six feet?
Speaker 1:two like why is Wolverine sick? a Wolverine is a Wolverine because it's ferocious and small.
Speaker 2:Is he that way in the comics? Are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 1:me Dude. He's like five foot two in the comics.
Speaker 2:Seriously, yeah, holy shit, he's not tall, it's fucking huge Jackman, bro, come on.
Speaker 1:Fuck you Like get Tom Hardy or something man like get someone shorter. Damn, wolverine is a muscle bound like four foot eleven motherfucker in the comics. He's a compensating mother.
Speaker 2:He's a.
Speaker 1:That's what a fucking Wolverine is. It's not a bear, it's a Wolverine. That's why it's a Wolverine. They'll fuck up a bear. So why is he tall? I think it doesn't make any sense. Discrimination against short people absolutely this man is a.
Speaker 2:We're so fucking off course right now. Holy shit we need or we're gonna go. We are off to get so.
Speaker 1:That's all I did. That's how it goes. Yeah, i was bringing back jujitsu, so training wise. so, yeah, talking about the intensity of training, well, and I Can see why that's important. So I was watching a video Yes, actually I've been talking about this.
Speaker 1:I saw a video of a couple purple belts, right, and One was a purple belt who competed irregularly, and then the other purple belt was just one that just trained, yes, and they, they sparred against each other and it was night and day.
Speaker 1:It was like the competitive purple belt was way quicker, was Like his, his pressure and intensity was was greater, hmm, and it was almost like the other purple belt like struggled to keep up because And I get why, when you're in that competition mindset, you like, you like if there's a submission there, you better fucking grab it as quickly as possible. And so he ended up kind of overwhelming this other purple belt, just. And I thought that was really interesting because, like you don't see that when you're doing jujitsu and you're just training jujitsu, you know whatever for the health benefit, and like let me just make this clear, there's nothing, you don't have to compete, like, like, jujitsu is awesome and you're gonna get a ton out of it just by just training with your training partners. It's just that the competition aspect of it It really like It, highlights your weaknesses in a way that, like your training partners can't, because I.
Speaker 2:Mean your training partner shouldn't be trying to fuck you up, exactly right. I mean they're trying, they want to, they want to push you, but they want to keep you healthy.
Speaker 1:Yes, and, but a lot of times. Okay, here's. Here's an interesting thing. This is a very interesting phenomenon. I've Been learning about jujitsu. I Think a lot of like, especially white belts, they, i Can, i say this. So I think a lot of white belts get this misunderstanding When they roll with an upper belt and they like, maybe they get a tap or a submission. Yeah, like, they confuse that with them actually being good as opposed to like, not it that guy just like is letting you work Like. That's how that works. Like An upper belt, who's looking out for you will let you finish this submission. They will let you work like chase. He will let me work something. I know he is like I don't think for one fucking minute I'm getting mine up on shit. There's no fucking way. I'm like you fucking, because when he does that, i'm like bro, thank you for letting me work like. I know what you're doing like. I know I'm not getting like, but Thank because it's helping me, i And it's helping him because it's making me better.
Speaker 2:So we're putting himself in a bad position So he can learn to work out of it. Of course he can And you can work on because he does Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I just I know he's letting me work, so it's like it's one of those things where I think a lot of lower belts, white belts especially, they come in and they think, well, this guy can't submit me, or you know, they have this ego thing, yeah, and I was reading this on a forum and and it was funny because a lot of these upper belts were like, when you get a brand new white belt, any re-roll with them, just fucking submit them right off the bat, just so they know like, hey, welcome to the club. Yep, and you know, don't think we've had a good. I think we've had. I don't think we've ever had any real big problems with anyone coming in like I see this, we've been. Well, we had that one guy.
Speaker 2:Are you talking about a few weeks ago?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, name names, but like, yeah, okay. So we had this guy come in, you know, you know, it seemed like he was really trying to intimidate everybody, which was weird because he wasn't that big. Um, and he kind of he knew he was really wish you watched you about, like, did he grapple or not? Did he fight and all this other stuff? Did he tell you no? He told me no, but, um, okay, so he gets it, yeah, so, yeah. So he were on the mats and I'm I'm rolling with Shane and Tommy comes over and he's like Hey, go roll, cause he was him and Levi were wrestling over towards the wall and Tommy was like uh-uh, like, cause both of them are brand new, and Levi's giant, like yeah, they're being super aggressive. And so, you know, tommy's like Hey, go grapple with that guy. And then I think Shane grappled Levi.
Speaker 1:So I go over and I'm like, and he said he didn't really have any grappling experience and I'm like cool man, i'm like I was going to go, yeah, i was going to be a responsible white belt that you know more advanced white belt, yeah, yeah, and I was like all right, so I'm going to, i'm going to. You know, bro, before I knew it, that motherfucker was on my back cranking my chin and I was like all right, motherfucker, okay, like you're obviously have grappled before cause, like a brand new white belt would not know how to get into this position. So I was just like all right, so I gutted it out and I spun into him and I fucking scarf, choked the fuck out of him. I made him leave the mat and puke because I was like you just crushed him. Yeah, yeah, oh, absolutely Good. And well, he wasn't in good shape. Yeah, so he was already. He spent so much energy trying to trying to crank my, my jaw. Yeah, and I'm like bro.
Speaker 2:I got to say dude, you have some pretty good reneged choke defense Like it's, it's. It's pretty hard to choke back there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i well, he, um, he just he was trying really hard cranking, cranking, and I on a neck crank, or was he trying to choke right across my jaw? He was just trying to do like a pain maneuver, like cause he didn't have the choke, he thought he had it, but he I hadn't. You know, i had my chin against my, my peck, and so he was just cranking across that jaw, you know, across the jaw there, and so I mean it kind of hurt, but I had my. I was like, whatever, i've had worse, like I've had worse, and so I knew he was gassed. I could hear him just breathing so hard.
Speaker 1:And I'm just so, going back to what, uh, jaco and Hickson said about remaining calm, i just stayed calm. I was like I know this guy's not submitting me, i'm in a tight spot, i'm in a bad spot right now, but I know, i know I'm going to get out of it. So I call, you know, i just waited, waited, waited And I felt the minute, i felt his pressure. I just spun right into him and then passed his guard and scarfed him And he almost got Josh crazy arm bar because he told Josh the same thing.
Speaker 2:See, i don't see you Like you're trying to go to a potential new. I don't know if maybe he just cross training for one day or if he's wanting to come here, but you come to a new gym.
Speaker 1:He wanted to fight Like he wants to fight MMA. So you go okay.
Speaker 2:So this is his thought process. You come to a new fucking gym where you have it's your responsibility to make an impression and say, Hey, I am a responsible training partner and I'm going to be a good addition to this group, And your thought process is to fucking lie and then try to almost fucking injure people.
Speaker 1:You see the way he kickboxed after too. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I saw him in Chase Like we were like dude was throwing some retarded head kicks Like man, if there's one person you don't try that, it's like that's chase will fucking kill you, man Like and that wasn't long before his fight either.
Speaker 2:It was a few weeks, I'm like are you fucking insane.
Speaker 1:And then he got launched into that machine. Just, this guy got launched, he got absolutely launched And I think he then realized that the gym he had walked into for everyone listening, the gym we train at it's called the LC Lawrence County boxing Jiu-Jitsu, walnut Ridge, arkansas. So if anyone's ever in that area, stop by, i'm trying this man.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, You will love it. It's, it's, it is. It is probably considered old school Jiu-Jitsu, but don't make don't mistake that we do a lot of a lot of new stuff as well. But we're just, we're very oriented towards fighting and mixed martial arts and wrestling And those are all like super important elements to have. But yeah, I guess, I guess that's why I like the LC so much is we train hard, We train with intensity, We leave our egos at the door. I think, because when I first started, man and I think that's, I think this is another reason why a lot of people are hesitant about starting Jiu-Jitsu is the egos right And you see it. You see it a lot, And you see a lot of the drama that goes on in Jiu-Jitsu And I think a lot of people are intimidated by that ego, which I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2:It's a hard thing thinking like, okay, so my buddy, that my well-fought weights with. There's a lot of them that are dude, they're strong, like there's some that have surpassed me in strength and they're fucking, they are stronger than me now by all means, cause I've lost muscles since I've started this again And, man, i'm like dude. You guys can lift weights all fucking day, but I'm telling you right now, if you don't know how to strategically apply said strength, if you don't know how to strategically apply said strength, dude you're not, it's not going to fucking matter. I'll roll with them. And I've literally rolled around with these guys who are fucking, they're stop, they're stop, stop fucking guys. And the next day it'll be like, oh my God, i am so fucking sore.
Speaker 2:That was awful, holy shit. And of course, you know like the tap does not take long, like people, if you don't train, you're going to be just the most spazzy motherfucker who's literally just going to flail around on the ground like a fucking idiot. Like it's, it's, it's not pretty man. And a lot of people like I just want to do boxing, i just want to do striking, like I don't, i don't want to go to the fucking ground. That's gay Dude. If you want to fucking hit me, guess what I can do to you. I can fucking grab you. Yeah, i can shoot a takedown. Yeah, over extend on the fucking jab, go ahead. That's what that guy did to chase and that fucking MMA match And look what fucking happened to him man.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Like shit, Like absolutely. You guys. I mean, look, I'm all down for fucking boxing, kickboxing, striking, It's great. But if you get up, if you get in a fight with someone who knows any wrestling, yeah any judo?
Speaker 1:yeah, you're not hitting anything.
Speaker 2:Well you might hit him. You're great, you might hit him. But, you might. you might end up on your fucking head too, You know, and that's not pretty on concrete.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing A grappler who's grappler heavy, like It's not like they don't know what their weaknesses are, it's not like they haven't grappled with a boxer, yeah, like people and I get a lot of jujitsu schools, the water down ones don't do that. But are we? we do that And like that's again. I think that's that value of training, training hard and and training jujitsu in the way it was meant to be used, which was for self defense. And like all throughout Hicks and Gracie's book he constantly hits on that.
Speaker 1:He's like jujitsu is always supposed to be about self defense. He's like it's not supposed to be a sport necessarily. He's like first and foremost, it's for a smaller person to be able to control a larger person. Like that's it. That is the purpose of jujitsu. And where I don't know where it kind of I'm like I love where it's going now, like I love, i love, like these wrestlers coming into it because it's evolving jujitsu into a really cool, you know just a very, very efficient martial art system. And when you start throwing in the strikes and the kicks and elbows and you know learning how to strike on the ground, when you start throwing all these things in man, like you're going to become formidable. You know like you're going to become a hard person to deal with. Let me ask you this Like what's what is your? what's your training like for your jujitsu? How do you train? Like what's your? what would you call your style of training Like? do you do? Are you talking about with?
Speaker 2:weights, or are you?
Speaker 1:talking about outside. Yeah, just like just in the gym, like in the jujitsu gym.
Speaker 2:Yeah, outside of jujitsu. So let's say like, if I'm like competition prepping, let's say Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So well that and and general training.
Speaker 2:So, weight training wise, most of the time the formula that's worked best for me for just like putting on muscle is a pretty low weight, i'm sorry. High weight, low rep Okay, i like to do that, maybe I used to do that maybe three or four sets of five heavy weight, like that's what. That's what puts muscle on me personally, but then again I have a lot easier time gaining weight than I do losing it. Yeah, um, so if I'm not trying to cut for competition, i'm just going to try to coast. I'm probably going to do heavy, heavy weight, low rest Most of the time, yeah, and then again. But you know, like that's not training your muscular conditioning as much.
Speaker 2:But, I do have three classes a week for that Right Um yeah, and jujitsu is good for that.
Speaker 1:Yes, it really is, yes.
Speaker 2:Um, so I I'm, i'm doing weights like that. Um, if I'm competition prepping, I'm going to be running Quite a bit. I like to make sure that, like I might have that lack to gas it for my forums, because I'm just gripping somebody's gear, that fucking Sure. But I like to be able to know like my gas tank is going to be better than most of the fuckers out there.
Speaker 1:How many, um how many days a week do you lift weights?
Speaker 2:Uh, with man, I am too much of a bitch to lift on when I'm, when I'm doing 12 hour shifts at where I work, um, with driving, showering and like eating like I actually haven't time to eat before work and shit and get food ready and meal prep Dude, i don't have time to fucking lift before like for work, man, it's like I go home, sleep, i mean shower and sleep make sense, get up, you know, and get the food ready, go like it's. So I left about three days a week, okay.
Speaker 2:That's good, like it's like you know, i try to just get it all in there and I do three Jiu-Jitsu classes a week. That's really good, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, like that's when you do, you do, uh, your Tuesday you do two, yeah, and then I hit legs. You do G, and then yeah, yeah, and then you hit legs. That's a big day, yeah, it's a fucking shitty day I sleep like a baby, i bet, but I mean that's pretty heavy day.
Speaker 2:And then like, if I'm really trying to obsess over technique and I'm really trying to maximize retention, i do have a journal where I pretty much try to write down every single fucking thing I like in my own words, i try to just like puke that back up at the end of the day. Yes, on Tuesdays that can be really hard when you're covering two different classes of technique. You know you've got Tommy covers, but he covers and then Seth goes over in like every fucking detail about half guard right now, right Impossible way, and that's a. You know that's a. It's hard to get everything down but I got to say that does maximize the way I memorize technique. And then like, just because of my previous experiences, i always work fucking escapes before I go compete too, just because that is like never doing that again. I don't want to get stuck in a shitty spot ever again.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to.
Speaker 2:I'm like you know how I did to you. I made you like. I made you escape from a mountain. I made you escape from my back. Yep, i sat there, made you do what Five times on each, over and over again. Yeah, yeah, i want someone to do that to me. Set that with me, and it helped a shit, and I felt a lot more comfortable. But you know what, if I get a bad spot, i'm going to get the fuck out.
Speaker 1:I don't care Right Immediately, like you're going to get out so fast that they're not even going to understand what happened. Yep, you know, um, yeah, that's. It seems like that. That's always the thing, cause I know there's a lot of people in jujitsu that don't do any extra like weight training, any extra strength and conditioning, and that's fine. Yeah, i mean it's great cardio, i mean shit, dude, look jujitsu by itself, if you're in like the right place, the right school it is, it's got to be one of the most effective strength and conditioning systems out there, because you're going to build strength right And you're getting, you're going to have amazing conditioning because you're fucking grappling and rolling with men and women of various ages, weights and intensities.
Speaker 1:You know functional strength. It's not like yes, it's not active resistance. It's like when we're picking up weights in the gym, we're just really having to fight gravity, that's it. When we're in jujitsu, we're fighting another person who doesn't want to be controlled, yeah, and so they're like they're giving a massive amount of effort to not be, you know, strangled or joint locked or anything, and then we're using energy to try to get them in that position and vice versa. You know when, when I have to roll against someone like Shane, who's three hundred and forty pounds. I know I need to be on my A game and you know I also know that I will have to use aspects of my strength for as good as it does against him to minimize you know the things he can do like, especially when it gets on top.
Speaker 2:I'm like there's certain spots, like you know, like you can't get there, you're not, you're not going to get out Like you have to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like for people don't do jujitsu. Um, one of the like when you're rolling with somebody who's much, much bigger than you, the last place you want to be is underneath them. It's the worst spot to possibly be, especially if they're like a super heavyweight and they're they're over that 300 pound barrier, like a lot of them will just like to smother you like smother tap or they, they, they know they're big and they will use it. They'll pressure. Oh God, um, that's how I hurt my ribs.
Speaker 1:You know, when I first started, dude, like I was getting pressured from some of the bigger guys and it just Dude, i and I was dumb, i was a white belt, like really thinking I could fight out of it and I would. I hurt myself doing it without using like really technique or anything like that And it. But but about the training? it seems like you've got like the crowd who just relies on their jujitsu, like Mike Musimachi, right, like a name, right, a big name. He doesn't, he doesn't do any weight training, he just he does jujitsu seven days a week, 12 hours a day.
Speaker 2:He eats fucking pasta every day.
Speaker 1:Once a day. Yeah, he's once a day. And then he he said he does, uh, he'll do some low intensity runs, like if he needs extra recovery he'll go for a little, that's it And that works for him. But then he got someone like Gordon Ryan, nikki Rod and those guys who are lifting weights. I mean, obviously you can tell you can't use Gordon, you can't use Gordon.
Speaker 1:I don't think you can use Gordon Ryan for any example, cause he's such a like, he's so out there, dude, yeah, you can't, you can't use him as a basis of comparison, like he's not, he's the outlier, yeah, so so whatever he does, he does. Like me, i, before I started jujitsu, i I didn't really think about the how I should train. I knew, as I was gearing up to begin jujitsu, i knew that I I needed better conditioning because I was, you know, for so many years. I was your typical meat head, uh lifting and not fucking with cardio at all. Just my, my cardio is like I'll do 10 reps. You don't have to be like I'll just do 10 reps, but instead of 12,.
Speaker 2:that's good, bro, right.
Speaker 1:But then I, i so I got. I found this um Instagram page and website called jail health strong with their uh, josh Bryant runs that and Tom Haviland Have you? have you seen him on Instagram? I have not, dude, he's a big six foot eight Australian dude who's just lifting massive amounts of weight and he trains like outside like I do, like, yeah, he uses gingers, he uses dingy equipment like super cool guy. Well, i found them and I started looking at their training programs and found one and kind of molded into something I wanted. And from that point on I I started doing this circuit style strength conditioning where I'm just combining, i'm not lifting like super heavy, but I make sure the weight I'm lifting is. So in my head when I'm setting up all this programs and training this way, i'm like, okay, i want to mimic having to physically handle somebody and then add on the like. So today, is that where your sandbags came from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You motherfucker, what do you know? Well, yeah, that's why I got the sandbags. Okay, so that's exactly why I got them. And it kind of paid off Like yeah, like if I would have adjusted my hips better on that toss, i would have probably legitimately hit that toss and his fucking feet would have went in the air because I had the strength to do it. Do you want to work on those? We should.
Speaker 2:Yes, we should fucking one day or Tuesday or what Let's do.
Speaker 1:Monday and Tuesday Fuck it.
Speaker 2:We'll do. We'll do a Gino G.
Speaker 1:Dude, wait, no, we'll do. We'll do no G, okay, cause I won't be there for G on Tuesday. Cooper got a G, finally. I know That's gonna be awesome. Have any of the G, all right, everyone. So check this out. I mentioned it before. So if you're an older person, i should probably dive into this a little bit. I think a lot of older people avoid Jiu Jitsu because they see these young savages, these, just these, and they watch and roll and they're just doing all this acrobatic, athletic stuff, you know, and it's like I think a lot of older people see that and like, well, i can't do that, but what they failed to understand it that there's like a ton of older people in Jiu Jitsu and it's not always like that. So when I started Jiu Jitsu at 40, you know, i was in good shape, had conditioning and some muscle and strength, and I'm like, okay, i'm good. And then we meet someone like Cooper who's 17. He's fucking 17, weighs 200 pounds, has the strength of a grown ass man.
Speaker 2:Beyond, beyond a grown ass fucking man, he's still developing, yeah.
Speaker 1:Soaks up to Jiu Jitsu like a sponge, pisses me off. Yeah, so good. That's why Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Like he's beyond. He is literally just gifted with Yes. Like who else retains technique like that?
Speaker 1:Well, fighter, like people that go on to be fucking awesome Yeah.
Speaker 1:I told him he should like get another year and I bet you he he does a respectful job and 80 CC open, like yeah, he's that good. So it's funny because here I am, i'm an older guy, and here comes Cooper and like I'm rolling with them and he starts getting better and he starts beating and he starts subbing me and I'm like I had to put my ego in check. I'm like, yep, i was like fuck dude. I'm like this is what a lot of these people are talking about. When you're an older, older guy or gal doing Jiu Jitsu and he rolled with these young, just specimens and you're like fuck, there's just, there's what happened. Yeah, like god damn it. But there's also value to that, because when you defeat that ego, like when, when you can put that ego aside, you will learn. So I was, you know whatever I was like god damn it, how's it getting better? I'm like you know what? What is he doing?
Speaker 2:Training a shit.
Speaker 1:Yes, And that's why I started going to Seth's too, so I could get more rounds with like you and him, and when I knew I needed to work on my escapes, you know, i was like Kiers Cooper, like and Seth, i'm like that's who I need to work with But, like I think a lot of people older people avoid that Jiu Jitsu because it well, it is difficult, but I think that's just a terrible reason to not do Jiu Jitsu. So I don't know if you were there for this. This was like last year, okay, a couple brought in their kid, never came back, ever came back, but he wanted to do Jiu Jitsu, really bad. Okay. So he does it and the class is wrapping up and he like had a really good time and his parents are there talking to April and I'm like, hey, you guys should do Jiu Jitsu. And they're like, no, no, we could never. Like we could never do that And like, using all this really kind of like condescending terminology, like defeating language, yeah, and like no.
Speaker 2:They're like what? no, what they've been condescending to you, or were they?
Speaker 1:They're like there's no chance, like it was just it's too hard, like we, like we could never do this. And I remember thinking I'm like you know your kids hearing you talk like this, your kid is hearing you Like man, like how do they know? Like you don't know you can't do this, you haven't tried it. Yep, like why are you defeating yourself before you even put yourself out there? You know, this is a lot of what I talk about on my social media, where it just comes out of like people are afraid to put themselves out there, especially guys. You know, guys, we've got an ego problem Like that's look, that's just the way it is. So there's nothing more. Emas demasculating. Are you masculating? Masculating? I'm not sure what the correct arm oligoby.
Speaker 2:I think that's what they do.
Speaker 1:I think it's emasculating Yeah. There's nothing like more embarrassing than having another dude literally just control you and do whatever they want, make you feel like a fucking doll.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fucking Right. So, but but see, that's the wrong way to look at it And unfortunately, a lot, of, a lot of guys can't get past that. They see it as, like you know, they'll never admit it, but then that's why they never come back, but they're embarrassed Instead of thinking okay, you know what, i'm going to get better, i'm going to get fucking better, i'm coming back for you, right, i'm going to, i'm going to come to every class. Yeah, i'm going to learn and I'm going to get better and I'm going to fucking submit you, right? And and it's crazy, how many people don't think that way? They just we train at a gym, the other half is a gym, and, like all those people, are always watching us, yeah.
Speaker 1:They're always watching and you know some of them want to do it, but like they're, they're training, they got muscle, they're big, and then they look over and they see what we're doing and they want none of it Like they want. But here's okay. Here's another interesting thing, and this is another thing I didn't really understand, or until I did jujitsu, i kind of knew this in the military just because I trained hard when I was in the Marine Corps And even though I wasn't training the most efficient way, i was just me, had power building, you know, trying to be big, yeah, and it kind of carried over to my job. But so most people that train and work out like that's all they'll do, right, so they just they're going to the gym, they're lifting weights, doing some cardio, doing CrossFit, but when I started jujitsu I realized that most of those people they will never know what that training is going to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like, like you may, you may curl that fucking 60 pound dumbbell, right, but if I have your arm, Felix, in an arm bar, right, that's not going to do shit, or?
Speaker 1:are you going to have the durability? Are you? are you, are you going to have the mindset to not panic? Yeah, If someone gets a hold of you, Okay great, You might think you're big and you're strong. But is your cardio up the part? Probably not. Most people do not. Oh, dude, especially with grappling, the kind of conditioning for grappling is that much muscle requires so much fucking oxygen, Like literally.
Speaker 2:if you try to go for a three or four minute round, you are going to be fucking dying.
Speaker 1:Casey brought in a new guy. Yeah, do you remember that? It was like a lanky guy A little bit. I remember us talking about it. So we rolled. I rolled with him and really good kid, and he was like very first class. He's like man, i don't know what to do. I mean, just just come on, just great. I was like just look, you want to like control my wrists, like you want to get a hold of me and start, you know. So he did a pretty good job. I let him work. Yeah, i was like he got him out and I was like, cool, all right. And then I broke out, spun around, got on top and I started scarfing him and this poor guy scarfed the new Okay, but I wasn't even, i was only starting it and he tapped Dude, scarf is fucking tight.
Speaker 2:I do it right Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just working into it and he tapped and the poor guy went off and puked Yeah. You bastard Oh man, well, look, people need to know what they're getting into. Yeah, i wasn't being mean, i let him, i let him work, yeah, and but then I was like, okay, like, let me like, just so you don't think this is just so you don't think you have an advantage, i'm going to fucking submit you. I have a question.
Speaker 2:So I mean obviously, Tommy just rolling with Tommy. So usually I have like, i mean, dude, roman Tommy is fucking awesome. I always love it when I get to, but he is he ever like. Not long before I went blue, he put me in his scarf For maybe we were doing like 10 minute rounds. It was a long. It felt like a long fucking round, of course, because I was in his scarf. But he put have you ever been in his scarf? Nobody's twisted me. Oh shit, that's fucking terrible. So he put me in scar for what felt like three minutes.
Speaker 2:And you keep mine. I was almost a blue belt at this point. I've been doing it a couple of years and I hadn't I haven't fucking pressure tapped. I don't know how long he about fucking made me pressure. I was like this guy is fucking testing me right now, Cause I tell you what, dude, he vacuumed the air from my lungs and I fought and fought and fought to get my elbow to the mat. He's got that way, Like that way. He showed us where you dig your feet And I know he was.
Speaker 1:I know he was Son of a bitch.
Speaker 2:I'm like he is literally just fucking testing my mental resolve right now. This is, but that's, That is. It has to be. The greatest benefit of Jiu-Jitsu is one of the greatest benefits of being a person.
Speaker 1:I mean, i'm not a person. That's not a person. That's not a person. That's not a person. That's not a person. That's not a person. That's not a person that you are talking about. So you don't have to worry what the current power of Jiu-Jitsu is learning your comfort threshold, learning that you are capable of handling I don't know violence is the right word but your you're, your mind and body are capable of weathering that kind of storm. You know, i think, a lot of people.
Speaker 1:They get very comfortable in their life and that's fine, Yeah, But you know you can't, you can't always life's gonna be And see, this goes beyond Jiu Jitsu, Like. This is why I like what Jaco said in the beginning about you know, I think I've already said it but the greatest value of Jiu Jitsu, I think, for anybody getting into it, is learning to not panic. And it does carry over. I think Jiu Jitsu is one of the few things a person can do that will carry over into almost everything in their life. So much confidence, Right, because I did a reels about this And you know some people you know agree, disagree or whatever.
Speaker 1:But you know there's this messaging on social media that talk, like I kind of mentioned earlier, about seeking comfort And I think I agree with that. But I think the message is getting a bit culty and it's getting a little skewed where you know people are doing ice baths like she just comforted and I jump in their ice bath And it's like, yeah, and all these other things. But I'm like, but it makes me think about Jiu Jitsu. I'm like Jiu Jitsu is the one thing that you do that will almost, if you stick with it, like in that first week, you will feel a change. That second week you will still and, like it just keeps going, Like it starts in your mind, you start gaining confidence and you start realizing that your body's capable of really, really good, like really amazing things, and you're capable of defending yourself. And then, like, for me, the change started mentally And then I started seeing those physical changes where I dropped some body fat, got leaner, I started getting stronger in different ways. Weird areas, Yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't ever use when you're lifting.
Speaker 1:Right And that you can never use, because most people, when they're training, they're training in a very linear way, up and down, they're not moving in multiple planes, they're not rotation, they're not doing anything like that, they're just training like a bodybuilder, which is fine but No strength will do.
Speaker 2:Strength will take you a long fucking way. Strength is I'm not dude, we're not even shitting on strength Like, if you have strength, imagine applying that to what we do, like it's so much fucking better, man.
Speaker 1:Like in my competition, i'd say my strength. There's no way someone's stronger than you, i don't fucking care. No, no, it was very helpful. Yeah, because it just simply it allowed me to. It just allowed me to not be in any kind of real danger. You know, i could I don't know muscle out, because I didn't use just muscle, i did use a lot of technique as well.
Speaker 1:But when you combine that, when you combine strength and technique, it's like good fucking luck dealing with that person, because there are some people who will only use strength and they'll just try to bash their way And sometimes it'll work and sometimes they'll get caught and submitted. And but then when you've got someone who, like that's where I was going, that's where I was going with earlier about you got people who train jiu-jitsu and they don't do anything else. And then you got people who train jiu-jitsu that also do some form of strength conditioning And I feel like and I don't think anyone will disagree but when you get two people, say you get two blue belts promote at the same time, you know they train jiu-jitsu four, five days a week, yep, skill sets, kind of the same. But one guy does strength conditioning, like that guy's probably gonna have. He's gonna almost always have that advantage over the other person And anybody who adds that element of strength and conditioning almost every time will have that advantage over just the person who does just jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 1:And again, there's nothing wrong with that. But I, yeah, i'm definitely one of those people who thinks that if you do jiu-jitsu you should absolutely have something outside of it, even if it's just calisthenics, even if it's just body weight stuff like that's fucking. I think that's all Ray does, and Ray is strong, he is very strong, like he is strong in weird positions And like he says that's really all he does, just body weight, like calisthenics. It's crazy what you can do with fucking nothing man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i mean so you don't even need a lot to do it. It's just I think if people really want that complete package, then they definitely need to add that element of strength conditioning to their jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 2:And you know? just to add really quick to I know we have at least some female listeners out there, obviously. Oh yeah, if you're a female, for God's sake, if you've listened this far through our fucking rambling, I was gonna say, if you're considering doing this, this fucking sport was designed, like you said earlier, to provide basically strength where you might not have any. Like leverage is what it's all about. Like you, if you are in a scenario where, like God forbid, someone is overpowering you in a spot you don't wanna be in there are so many different ways and submissions and stuff to get yourself to a safer spot, It's always better to prevent shit like that from happening, to be aware of your surroundings. But like, this shit is fucking important, like this could mean life and death, like I'm just saying you really just looking at your local school, I guarantee you there'll be at least one or two other females, hopefully, if you feel comfortable just training with them. But like, seriously, take the shit into consideration because it can be a fucking lifesaver for anybody.
Speaker 1:Well, not only that, but you gain a bunch of friends like.
Speaker 2:you'll surely become immediately a part of a community, A fucking cool community guys, like some of the nicest fucking people, like they will try to pull your head off one second, you guys will be fucking hugging the next. Like it's so special man.
Speaker 1:But that same person will happily give you all their knowledge, like how did you do that? And they're gonna do it, they're gonna. They're gonna, in fucking detail, they're gonna play out of it In detail right.
Speaker 1:And they're gonna absolutely do it. That's again like going back to that competition. I already knew I've enjoyed the community, but going and seeing it at such a large scale and just seeing, like All different schools, well, we're all there for the same reasons And so like, okay, yeah, granted, we're competitors, but at the same time we all know what each other's feeling We like, we all are, and it's like I didn't see one person get butt hurt or upset or anything. It was just like you take what you, you take it and you give it Like and that's just the way it is. And that's like I mean, like I love that, like you gain so much. Like you see where I live I live pretty rurally, i don't. There's no one else here. So another reason why I wanted to Jiu Jitsu and wanted to join was cause I was like, dude, i need to plug into a community And I want to plug into a community of like-minded people Who I don't not to sound demeaning, but it's like I didn't want to be around soft ass people Like I'm a fucking Marine man, like I've been around some of the hardest motherfuckers that there are And it's hard to find that when you get out, it's hard to find people that understand that mindset. You know, and people who serve the military will 100% know what I'm talking about. And Jiu Jitsu I found it, you know. That's why, like I met you, i'm like, oh my God, kiers reminds me of a fucking Navy corpsman. Like dark sense of humor, talk shit. I'm like this is exactly what I was looking for in Jiu Jitsu And I found it. Now there's one more passage in here I wanted to read because I think this is the other thing about Jiu Jitsu Like it will tell you who you are And you will know what a person is about the first time. You fucking roll with them. And this is what Hickson said about it. He said I loved teaching Jiu Jitsu because it revealed a person's true personality.
Speaker 1:When I stepped onto the mat, i saw people dressed in white and they all had belts around their waists. Once they engaged, it was impossible to hide their nerves and their fear. Sometimes a small, soft looking guy was the true warrior because he was resilient and brave in both victory and defeat. The coward was fine when he was kicking ass, but as soon as he got in a bad position, he would be the first to exclaim stop, i'm hurt. Stop, i'm tired. Stop, i'm old. It was easy to read the mind of a coward, even if they are naturally aggressive.
Speaker 1:Jiu Jitsu is the equalizer of people who either fucking put up or shut up People who do Jiu Jitsu on the regular. They put up Like they're putting their ass out there. They're not running from anything, they're fighting, they're giving it their all. And then there's like the people that come to class and like you never see them again, holy shit, man. Because they learn something about themselves. They learn that they don't like that, like they learn that they're just maybe not built for that. And again, i don't want to scare anybody away from Jiu Jitsu Or bash on people who's another?
Speaker 1:point, Yeah, or bash on that who? just? it's not my thing. But again, you can't guarantee that you're going to go through this life just not being in a danger, not ever having a physical confrontation. And look man, it seems like our society is getting a little bit angrier, a little bit more hostile. I mean, you never know anymore when someone's gonna have to fan Yeah like you don't know that.
Speaker 1:And it's funny because now, like, i think about me that two years ago or whatever, when, when that shit was going out of my parents, and I think of myself now And I'm it's, it's funny I would have handled it. I wouldn't have engaged in any kind of fight, yeah, but in the back of my mind I would have been, i would have been totally OK. I'm like, because you know, here I am a year and like Two, one or two months into Jiu Jitsu, four days a week, and like my confidence level. I don't even think I had this kind of confidence in the Marine Corps because I wasn't training Jiu Jitsu in the Marine Corps. I fucking wish I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stupid of me because we had a corpsman who was a brown belt and he was a competitor and he was a whole shit Dude. So good, doc Brown, we, me and my buddy Rashid. We talk about him to this day because my buddy Rashid went and grappled with him. He's like, dude, he was so good And he was like he would have probably been a super heavy. He was like two thirty to forty. That is fucking scary dude. Yeah, like he had mad cauliflower here, like, and I wish I would have taken advantage of. like dude, we got this brown belt Jiu Jitsu Corman who fought, i think he wrestled, for the Marine Corps wrestling team, like total stud.
Speaker 1:But I mean, whatever man, i got into it and it's, it's helped with so many things. It mental health man. Yeah, like You got, like you go to Jiu Jitsu man and maybe I don't know, maybe you're having a bad day, you're depressed, but then you start rolling and you can't think about that. Fuck, no, because if you think about that you're getting choked, yep, and that's not fun. And so suddenly, like you're into your first role and all your problems just go away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this what, what more can grab your focus than someone threatening to break one of your limbs right Choke you, and right And look, you can even go to your class and be like look, i had a shitty day, who I want to roll hard with, like, and you tell that person, like, look, let's fucking, let's, let's be intense, yeah, and they'll, and they'll do it Like that's the cool thing, yeah, like you both understand, like you know, because they now understand, like, ok, you need to work, let's, let's do it like, let's fucking go, and I think that's the again, that's the cool thing about you do So. I think Humans are aggressive And I don't know why we forget that Men, especially, are aggressive. I think we try.
Speaker 2:for some reason we try to wipe that away Like we try to neutralize that.
Speaker 1:Well, we're, and we're still trying. I mean, it seems like there I shouldn't even say that, it just seems like our society. There's this weird push to feminize everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it feels like it, doesn't it? I mean, masculinity is almost becoming like what it's, like It's not trending anymore. Yeah, isn't that weird.
Speaker 1:So fucking crazy. Yeah, and it's like you need it. I don't give a fuck how anyone feels about it, you need it OK For families.
Speaker 2:It's good for, it's good for fucking any Like well?
Speaker 1:Well, they always want to highlight the bad aspects, right, Like, like, like, you know, like, women don't have those same bad aspects which they do, and you know what's ironic is women, the, the, the, the hormone that dominates them is testosterone too. It's like women have it out. I think they have more testosterone than estrogen, even if I'm not mistaken, do they Not sure?
Speaker 2:That's right. Well, i mean, obviously it converts, you know, whenever need be, but I'm not sure exactly what.
Speaker 1:It's just funny because test is a very important hormone for for women. You fucking need it. But I think you jitsu is especially good for guys, like I think, as our society just gets weird and and and almost demeans masculinity, and especially like I don't know how we view it traditionally, where you know a guy is seeing as like the, like the gatherer or something like that you know, which is nothing wrong with, but Yeah, there's this weird message around masculinity. I think Jiu Jitsu definitely is really good. It's good for women too, obviously. But I'm just saying, when we think about our genetic makeup, guys especially really benefit from Jiu Jitsu Having some sort of output, especially as you're growing up.
Speaker 2:And like you're, i mean dude, if I have a fucking boy at any point, like I want him to be in this shit early, like I mean, dude, you know how much like that helped. I mean, okay, you know we haven't really even touched on this, but like we talk about people getting into altercations and shit, like, honestly, training reduces the chances of that shit happening. Yeah, like, if you know for a fact that you can handle most situations to get thrown at you with someone in hand to hand combat, like you're kind of less likely to do it, like the most time that idiots at bars starting fights don't know a fucking thing.
Speaker 1:They know to throw fucking crazy haymakers or soccer punches. Yes, yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's like it's not people who train No.
Speaker 1:It's almost rarely ever anyone who trains, and when it is, it's so obvious Because that person who doesn't train gets put down real fast, real fucking.
Speaker 1:People don't understand their body and their and how are how the system of our body works like that adrenaline dump. If, going back to Hickson saying, you know, make the training environment making it really tough, you know it's that same saying that they have in the military where you, you bleed more in peace. Or you, you sweat more in peace, so you bleed less in war, it's that same mindset, right. So it's like you train your ass off and you put yourself in And like that's the other fun thing about your jutsus You can purposely put yourself in the worst positions just so you can get better at getting out of it. And the more you do that, the more confidence you gain, the less panicky you're going to be in any kind of situation, because any stranger who's going to try to strangle you, you're just going to laugh. You're like dude. Do you have any idea? the kind of people who've tried strangling me Like you better, fucking try harder.
Speaker 2:Yes, the goofy movie jokes where they just like hold their throat. It's like, oh, i might get the fuck out of here. Yeah, like the double hand choke.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, go ahead and do it, bro, yeah.
Speaker 1:See how that fucking works for you. Please, please, do it. See how that works, bro. Like, come on, you know. Next thing, you know they're Jared. Bro Got a little got put to sleep on Monday. What happened? You were didn't see it. Ray got him. Oh man, it was one of the situations, though, where, like you know, you're like, where, like he, he didn't think that, he thought he was fine, yeah, and then we all look and and Port Jared's like out Oh man, Oh, he's fine.
Speaker 2:He woke right back up and got right back to it And he was like oh, fuck, i thought it was good. It's a weird. It's a.
Speaker 1:It's a weird feeling putting somebody to sleep It is because and well, here's the thing Sometimes a choke doesn't feel dangerous And suddenly like oh, wow, yeah, suddenly you're waking up And my vision is black. What the fuck And see? here's the other thing is like, um, getting choked unconscious is not the same as being knocked out. Oh yeah, if there's, you're not causing brain damage, it's, it's not anywhere near. It's like getting punched in the fucking head because your, your brain's bouncing around. You know, if you get put to sleep with a choke, it's like You wake back up like immediately pretty much Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, and you can get right back to it, you're not going to have any. Because he literally got up like, shook it off and like Back to rolling. I went back to rolling. Fuck yeah, dude, jared's a tough mother. Fuck Jesus Christ. He's strong, yeah, and he's got good skills, man, like I think, other than the black belts. I think he's like the oldest.
Speaker 2:Yeah And dude, you're still fucking going at it. He's 52, man Still just fucking crushing people. Man, It's bad.
Speaker 1:That's why I hate people here and people say like, oh, i'm too old, but it's like there. Do you know? the Jiu-Jitsu grandma is on Instagram. I think I've heard of her, but tell me. She's like she's in her 70s and she just got her purple belt. She's like 73.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine someone trying to rob a grandma and her just fucking throwing it, just wrist locking you, oh my God, reaching for a purse, breaking your wrist, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like what happened? Like I was robbing This whole lady broke my wrist. Man Like fuck. Fucking hilarious Yeah she's in her 70s and then, like, there's so many stories of guys and women in their 80s and they're getting belted up and fucking sweet, there's just so many reasons to do Jiu-Jitsu. I can't Again. Whatever you don't want to do it, you know it's certainly not going to be looked down upon, but I just find people's reasons for not doing it to be incredibly weak.
Speaker 2:No, dude, I see red man. I don't need you, I don't need to buy.
Speaker 1:I fucking.
Speaker 2:I see. I see red and people's bodies drop for those motherfuckers out there who see red I have.
Speaker 2:I have a quick message for you. So I was training this. This guy come between that I went to school with and he was like hey, man, i'm not really interested in the whole ground game, but I'd like to work on, you know, maybe, some boxing or kickboxing with you. And this was like a couple of nights ago And I was like you know what man like, i have some like fundamentals down in kickboxing, like I'm obviously there are so many better dudes to learn from. But if you want to like just learn how to throw some basic combos and work on some shit like dude, fuck yeah, i'll help you with work. I'm happy, dude, if anyone, if, if anyone listening to this knows me and you want to work on something, please fucking just contact me. Like I don't give a fuck, i work with anybody. But he, he's like, hey, now I want to do this. I'm like OK, like let me finish doing these reps and we'll go in the back. We'll work on some boxing, you know. So I just taught him some basics. You know arm and elbow positioning when you're nice and your thing, you know, and we start. I was like, ok, so here's how you throw a jab, you know, you know how to do a jab and a cross And you know, ok, so let's work some combos. You know, work on head positioning, you know, show them like a slip and a roll, just basics, you know. Just get running through some shit And anyway, i'm like OK, so now I want you to do a jab, cross and throw a hook on at the end.
Speaker 2:I'm like listen to your hips. You know, obviously if you throw a left right, the next one should be a left. So it's a left hook, right, he goes to throw this hook and he just completely misses the bag. Oh, and I'm like this is a great point. I'm like, so I was like I want you to take that. Like obviously you don't know your distance on boxing And this is something that people don't really think about, because if you don't train it this is the problem with the seeing red thing Like you don't even know where your fucking arms reach. You don't know where your punches reach.
Speaker 2:You expect to go in there and throw a fucking three piece on somebody, knock them out. But if you don't even know where you're going to hit on somebody, how do you expect to do that? You have to fucking train people.
Speaker 1:Well, step it back even more, trying to hit a moving target, fucking shit Yeah. Okay, yeah, great, you can hit pads and mitts and heavy bags and all you fucking want, but the minute a live person is front of you, that shit goes out the window. Yeah, plus, they got good fucking head movements Right And they're punching you in the face And all of a sudden you're like and you just want to run away Because you've no fucking clue. Like you see, like what's his name? Damn it, he's fighting this weekend.
Speaker 2:How am I going to?
Speaker 1:free his name. He's funny as shit. Loudmouth fucking UFC fighter Sean Strickland. Oh, he's fucking funny. Yeah, he. Some guy walked into his gym and like challenge him to sparring. He's fucked him up. Holy shit, Fucked him up. I mean it seemed like he was a good fun But like, yeah, but there's people that do that. They'll go challenge people and they get their ass kicked. Can you imagine having the gall to do that?
Speaker 2:I wish someone would do it at ours.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, no one's ever come in.
Speaker 2:I've told Tommy I'm like dude like I wish I could Just watch you go whole hog on somebody so fucking bad.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, And that used to be a thing because in Hickson's book he talks about they used to do that. They'd crashed Ojos and just fuck up people.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah they. It was like a war.
Speaker 1:They're like wars. They just go to all these other gyms and fucking just beat them Like savage, i know, but they were also trying to prove their system, you know sell their system and what.
Speaker 1:What better way than not to do it, than to just walk in a random martial arts studio? They're like, hey, give me your best guy, i'm going to beat him. I'm like, ok, yeah, and he fucks him. They're like, wait, what'd you do? Show us, like what, i want to know this. Yeah, like, how did you do that? Huh, let's see Anything else we need to cover. On Jiu Jitsu, i mean there's so much to cover. Yeah, It's just man.
Speaker 2:I mean We definitely touched on, like, the importance of competition, the pressure to the value of training, yes, the value of strength training. I feel like we touched on most of what we wanted to touch on.
Speaker 1:I think. So. You know, we touched on the and, and we can even do a whole separate episode at some point on just like strength conditioning and stuff like that for Jiu Jitsu. I just kind of wanted to talk about it. Yeah Man, your first fucking competition. Yeah man, it was so cool, i learned so much and I You know what else. You know, the thing about competition is it gives you something to train for. And so suddenly now my training is taken on like a That's so much more meaning. Yeah, yeah, because now I can, yeah, like I have goals now, where before I was just training just going in rolling. All we learned today, okay, Right.
Speaker 1:Right, you know.
Speaker 2:and then like there was, with no real end goal other than just going and just You get in kind of like a, you kind of get like a cycle, like that, you know like you get into a law and you feel like you're not improving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, and I was, i was kind of dealing with that And then, but after this competition, i'm like because that first role on Monday felt great. Oh dude, i had the same thing happen to me in my last competition.
Speaker 1:Like I felt like I leveled up, yes, which is crazy. Yeah, because, like Cooper, that's what he was saying. He's like, dude, look, you know, we train in here, we train intensely, but he's like it's not anything like what's going to be in a competition, because it's going to be like this times a hundred. You can't fucking simulate it, man. And so now and so you know, i compete Sunday and then go to go to train on Monday And all of a sudden, i'm like it's like everyone's moving slower. It's crazy. Like I'm like, am I in the matrix, you know, because I was just the day before? I'm like just fucking moving and moving and moving and like going train. I'm like, whoa, i'm, i still have that.
Speaker 1:And it's funny because I've heard this, i think on Rogan's podcast too. They're talking, or someone, maybe it's Daniel Cormier, he said it, but he said, basically, when a person becomes a champion, they automatically level up, like their skill set improves by like 30%, holy fuck. And so I think, like I think that's the, I think that's a value of competition. I think when, when a lose, you Like you'll take that feeling back to your gym and you're going to like, without really realizing you're going to train that way. Oh, fuck man, like with more intensity, with more like um, what's like more intention, you know, and like trying to get somewhere quicker. Maybe move a little bit quicker, because you understand, if you pause too long you can, you can get put in a bad position. Yeah, so you have to keep moving and like so, yeah, that was, that was really funny Monday, going into train and be and just feeling like I was moving way faster And I was like, and I hated missing Tuesday.
Speaker 1:I knew I needed the day off, though but, i, hate, but that's okay, because I worked on hip tosses on my dummy or worked on So like I was watching my video and I was kind of breaking down how I did my Kamora or the Americana and I just was working on improving that on my grappling dummy. So I was still doing stuff. And then every night, typically, i'll eat my edibles and then in that living room I'll I'll like, just I'll do flow movements, just like wrestling getups and stuff like that, where I'll just 20, 30 minutes in my living room and I'll even grapple with my dog Like he'll, seriously I'll, i'll work like in my garden and like he, like Marley, my poodle, he loves to fight, he fucking loves wrestling, yeah, so it's fun. Man, i'm not mean. There's a guy on Instagram who actually uses his dog. They just belted him. The belted the dog, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1:I think he's a big old pity of nicest dog just, and he like literally does instructional videos of him doing like you know, moves, putting like on his dog. It's hilarious.
Speaker 2:Watch out for this fucking paw lock. Dude hold on.
Speaker 1:Like that dog's gonna fuck someone up. That dog's gonna like fucking do, like a oh my plot on somebody.
Speaker 2:He like why does that?
Speaker 1:dog do that. That's bullshit. This dog's better than me.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, man Fucking the airbot of Jiu-Jitsu.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. So yeah, that was like the big thing with competition. I think one you should train Jiu-Jitsu, and if you train Jiu-Jitsu, you should consider consider competing once, just once, just to get a feeling for it, and you're going to learn a lot and you're going to know where your weaknesses are And you're going to know what your strong points are, so you can work on both. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, i've never trained harder than after I went to my second and I got fucking crushed. I tell you what after that, i was so fucking pissed at myself I pushed myself harder than I ever have Like well, for this second one, I think, say I got to be careful because I don't want to over train.
Speaker 1:You know, i'm all excited about starting this And it's like, yeah, so I'll have to keep that in check. But but yeah, it makes, it makes my Jiu-Jitsu. It's like now I can go into class with intention, where it's not just like, oh, we'll learn the technique of the day And you know, it's like now I can do the technique. But then when I start rolling with somebody like, hey, i want to work on this, can like, and they'll obviously always do So I can start specifically working on those things that I like. Cycontrol, i need it, i need to. I gave up too much space in Cycontrol So I was put in guard and that was on me, my mounts really good. So then I can, i can figure out ways to tighten that up.
Speaker 2:You know more submissions from out Maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. And then tightening up my scarf or tightening up like we're going to work on some of those hip tosses, like, and especially doing it in a no-key.
Speaker 2:And hip toss is the only thing that's risky is man you are. you are providing back exposure. man, That's the thing. when you turn, when you turn, You gotta be quick, Very fucking quick. These judo guys are fucking lightning fast.
Speaker 1:I know, i know. Well, yeah, but that's why we work on it. Yeah, you know, because if it presents itself you might as well go for it. I mean, yeah, you do risk yourself to back exposure, but I don't know, i think sometimes the work, the risk is, is worth it. You know, i think my dog is going crazy in the background, like you guys are recording forever. Okay, so, jiu Jitsu we'll dive into strength and conditioning specifically for Jiu Jitsu at another time. I just kind of want yeah, i want to go over it Share some thoughts from Hickson's book.
Speaker 1:It's a great fucking book, by the way, as you guys haven't read it, yeah, it's really good If you just want to read the mindset of somebody who's fought their whole life. Not to mention he's a super interesting guy too. Yeah, he's breathing techniques. Oh, i ordered. You know who Boss Rootin is right. Yeah, i ordered his O2 breathing system. What the fuck? It's a diaphragm breathing. Yes, my conditioning is about to go fucking through the roof, dude. So it strengthens your diaphragm. So, like, that's how he's trained. It's awesome. It's like this mouthpiece thing and you can adjust Like you like. There's specific exercises you do. And, yeah, i just ordered it, so I'm going to be, i'm going to be, i'm going to be doing breath work, so I'm going to be actually working on breath work.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, yeah, start making weird fucking like yonking noises while we're rolling on my B alarm.
Speaker 1:That's all right, i'm going to be, because I won't be tired. I'll just be in the zone, baby, like I'll have an unlimited gas tank. So I'm going to, yeah, i'm going to start. That's another component that, like made me realize I can improve my conditioning. Yeah, you know. So I'm going to, i'm going to throw that in there. I think I'm going to do a bit of running and I'm going to cut weight for this one too. What are you cutting to? Yeah, probably 175. Okay, 175, 176, which I'm there, like today after my training I was. I went outside at 178, came in at 173. You sweat, your fucking balls off.
Speaker 1:I sweat so much. I still haven't. I still feel like, cause I got a little dizzy out there. You know like dehydrated man I was, even though I had. I had a protein shake Like I do, like a little like a water down Gatorade shake thing, and then I had my big, like 32 ounce jug in my, so I had 52 ounces of water And I drank it all and I still didn't feel like I was hydrated, like I was, cause I came in and started cramping and I was like, oh, this is fucking me, You did liquid IV, man, i did.
Speaker 2:That's what was in my other one.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, it was liquid IV. I sweated out in 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:It's a fucking half of a gram of sodium dude Like that's a shit ton Gone. Just the fuck are you doing out there, man Well?
Speaker 1:so high rep, trap, bar, deadlift. So this is how I broke down. This is my new, my new cycle. So, circuit one I do two rounds, but there's five movements in that round. So trap, bar, deadlift, burpees, ring pushups and um, um, uh, what else? ring pushups, um, one arm lateral raises and then, oh, mace, 360s. So I do that two times, um, all high reps. Then the second circuit is sandbag suplexes Those got me And then sandbag floor presses from the floor and then like a sled row, and then so that's three movements, three rounds, and then the last round. The third round was two circuits, or two rounds, and then that's another one of the five movements. So that's what.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't all like heavy, yeah, i mean, except for this cause. Like weight wise, i'm going to probably go mid, mid weight, high, high rep, except for my sandbag training. I'll keep that the same. We're out like cause, like there's a lot of value in, in, in, tossing around this big heavy sandbags. Fuck yeah, man, especially what you did to like dead weight, yes, so all of you out there. I mean, i mentioned this in the post, but you've seen how I train. It carries over a hundred percent, um, all right, curious. Anything else you want to add in to the?
Speaker 2:uh, no, dude, I think we've probably did like a lord of the rings worth. So we did movie length.
Speaker 1:Well, we didn't go over the history, but again, there's so much to talk about. Yeah, jiu-jitsu, we just wanted to share some of our experiences. What to expect, the competition experience, maybe some of the training that can go along with it, and the fact that you should 100% add at least one or two days of strength conditioning on top. Here, jiu-jitsu, i think we'll, we'll, we'll, elevate your game.
Speaker 2:So you know what people if you're, if you're tossing it around the idea of maybe attending a class, dude, you get one fucking life. Just try it. Go to go to do me a favor. Go to like two or three classes. Of course the first one's going to be weird, but, like guys, you only get one life And you know, you never know when, like Matt talked about before, when the shit might hit the fan. And you know what, if somebody has a knife for a gun, fucking run. Obviously, obviously don't fucking engage somebody.
Speaker 1:You're not going to be Chuck Norris.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if someone fucking grabs a hold of you and you can't run anywhere, man, you need to know how to deal with that.
Speaker 1:So don't be don't be any, don't be a victim. It's that, that's fuck that victim mentality. Yeah, that's what I think. When you start jujitsu, you are empowering yourself And I can't think of, i can't think of something that you can do for yourself. That's better than that. Yep, you know self empowerment. So check out jujitsu, check out your local gym. I promise you, wherever you live, there's probably a jujitsu gym in your area.
Speaker 1:Or you can just drive a fucking hour like that Real real quick for those who don't know like we talk about Guy and Nogi. So Nogi jujitsu is typically the aware and the rash guard, the shorts, and it's a lot more wrestling Pression shirts for those who are Yeah, yeah, and then the G is, you know, the pajamas, the kimono, the. It's the traditional garb of jujitsu And it's kind of it's not as popular right now. It's kind of it's kind of losing ground to Nogi.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, keep in mind people. If you live in any sort of area where the climate gets cold, learning how to fuck people up with their jackets and their collars and everything else can be extremely valuable. So clickable Yep. So keep that in mind, guys. Yeah, You good man.
Speaker 1:I think so. So, yeah, i think we're going to wrap this podcast up. Check out Norse Fitness for all your supplements and lifting stuff, and they actually have a rash guard for jujitsu. You use code heathemachine to save some money. We're going to probably wrap this up. if you're on the fence about doing jujitsu, just fucking do it. Just do it already. Just do it. Yes, all right everyone. you all have a good night. That's keep it. keep up to date with us. Follow me on Instagram at the heathemachine. Kierstue is on Instagram as well. I think it's the do 42.
Speaker 2:The do Kierstue 42. That's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's fun And the more look, the more traction we get, the more episodes we're willing to do. We're eventually going to very soon. I have a feeling we're going to have some guests on here Fucking exciting, yeah And then we'll eventually get a video format. So thank you all for listening, thank you all for the support. We're going to keep this going And we'll see you all next time. Thank you, guys, yeah.
