The HeathenMachine Chronicles
The HeathenMachine Chronicles
Episode 32- A Discussion on Health and Fitness Topics
Today's conversation goes beyond the usual health chat, probing into contemporary issues like the impact of the body positivity movement and convenience culture on our collective well-being. We're also lifting the lid on some disturbing trends, like the rise of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and the labeling of health-conscious individuals as extremists. And that's not all, we explore unconventional training methods, offer insights on training for athletic performance, and discuss the significance of circuit training for conditioning and longevity. Come join the circle.
All right, welcome to another episode of the podcast. Today we kind of shoot from the hip talking about health and fitness. We touch on some training and some disturbing trends we are seeing. So join us and enjoy the show. He the machine out, let's go live. We're live. We're live now. So no more shit talking.
Speaker 2:No more. Ok, well, we'll cut it out, man.
Speaker 1:All right, what's going on everyone? So today we are going to dive into strength conditioning and live in that healthy lifestyle. Maybe a little nutrition, maybe. Yeah, definitely nutrition, because so I get people asking me on my Instagram. They're always asking me, like what I'm doing. Most people see the way I train, but I don't really dive into the nuts and bolts of training and then we can each kind of go into what we do. But we were talking about something before we started and I think this is a good jumping off point, and that's supplements. Oh shit, there you go. So here's the thing. So I've been training now for, let's say, 23 years and almost as long as I've been alive. Yeah, what do you fucking call me, old man?
Speaker 2:The shoot's Lacehead Bitch up and when at. That's all right bro.
Speaker 1:I'll take it. I'll take it Because with age comes wisdom. And remember I'm a silver fox.
Speaker 2:Silver fox. There's some gray in there, guys, just in case you hadn't seen it.
Speaker 1:Actually, my beard's going to be white and my hair is going to be silver. It's going to be fucking gangster dude, it's going to be gangster Tapping motherfuckers. I'm going to be like Gordon Ryan, bro. But I don't have to die Minds. The bleach, yeah, It'll just be natural. So I'd say supplements.
Speaker 1:When it comes to the health and fitness industries, it seems like supplements almost always lead the charge, right, oh Jesus. And when I was younger man, I was like trying everything. Oh yeah, I worked at GNC in my early 20s because I wanted that discount and I was like it allowed me to stay up to date on all these supplements. So this was back in the late 90s, early 2000s, when androgens were over the counter. Holy fuck, yeah, dude, Because there was a controversy with Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds.
Speaker 1:That's when people thought creatine were steroids. Seriously, this is 1996. And people thought creatine was a steroid Because Mark McGuire is using creatine. I mean, granted, he was using other stuff too, but they zeroed in on creatine. And for years creatine was seen as this absolute cheat code. You can't be in high school and take creatine. And it's the same thing with the reefer madness, Like just all the misinformation about it was mind boggling, but anyway, the point I want to hit on with supplements is people are always asking me what I do for my supplements and my supplement use is really minimal. I learned I would say I learned at a fairly young age that most supplements are fucking garbage.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, it's like 90% horse shit, maybe 10% stuff that actually helps, and even that that does, it's not that helpful, like nothing's going to do the work for you. That's the fucking long and short of it.
Speaker 1:And people sell the joint supplements you got and I'm sure there's some efficacy there.
Speaker 2:But I take it Good cost of meaning shit that actually does help especially with even older people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely, but, like well, for me it was definitely the TRT that helped with my joint pain the most, because I've taken joint supplements and sometimes I get some good results. But with supplements I think people end up relying on them too much. They rely on supplements. They get away from, I guess, with the basics of having a good diet right, having getting enough protein, getting enough carbs, getting enough fat, like I think people will put all their faith in a sub. I'm sorry, dude, I was fucking smashed in my head. Wait, dude, put too much faith in supplements?
Speaker 2:right, yeah, yeah. They're just like if I don't have my BCAAs, I'm not going to make any gains today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bcaas are not bad, Not a good recovery, but it's yeah. But nothing beats having and this sounds so fucking cliche, right, but nothing beats a balanced diet. I mean, look, you see all this carnivore.
Speaker 2:No, don't get in the fucking liver game.
Speaker 1:And then you see, vegan, and there's this big debate and for my whole life I've never actually subscribed to any particular way of eating, Because that's another question I'll get all the time is what's your diet like? What's your diet like? And I just tell people I eat whatever I want, right? But the thing of it is is I eat clean and healthy, like 85% of the time. Yep, you know what I mean. I eat carbohydrates, I eat fruit, rice and I'll eat bread. Yes, I eat bread, Eggs, meat and I'm eating like rib eyes, Like I don't give a fuck if it's lean meat or not, I don't care. Like I'm going to want the fat.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, if I'm going to be buying hamburger meat to make something like I'm not going to buy the fucking 73rd, you're like I'm going to get the lean shit Like there's no point in getting like that really fatty shit, sure, no reason.
Speaker 1:Actually, it's funny you say that because I had some weird like indigestion issues, I think, about a year ago, and I was eating a lot of ground beef. Like my go-to meal was like a burrito. I'd make this really good burrito wrap after my workouts so I started eating rib eyes instead and a lot of that went away and I think it's because I was buying ground beef that just had a high, had a really high fat, like I think it was like the 70, 30. And that's the other thing about eating is all these proponents of like these ways of eating, like carnivore and vegan and all this other shit. People's bodies react different.
Speaker 2:What's the big thing where everybody's just eating a shit ton of fat and protein? They want to eat any carbs. What's that fucking called Keto?
Speaker 1:Well, that's keto, yeah, keto, anything carnivores like that too, although I think that's kind of changing because you guys like Joe Rogan talks about this a lot. He says that he eats fruit, so he eats a lot of fruit with all his stuff, and I think that's the way to go. I'm actually going to experiment with that coming into this competition, because I'll typically eat bread before and after my workouts, where now I've been slowly replacing it was like two pieces of bread with each meal with like a piece of fruit, where now I'm going to start replacing that with just straight fruit, because you're still getting the carbs.
Speaker 2:You're still getting the sugars, you're going to have the energy, but you're not going to have this artificial bullshit. Right.
Speaker 1:Right, because, well, and that's like the other thing, like people that do these carnivore diets that are real hardcore about it, they won't eat any fruit, they won't eat anything, and like I don't know, I think some of the most successful athletes eat a wide variety. Like I have a wide variety, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, you can't, for example. So yesterday was my really busy day, so I had a G-class at noon. It was a hard fucking class, yeah, right, it was. Had a lot of people sweating my ass off, right. I had to eat like a little bit of breakfast. I go home and I'm like you know what? I had some salad, I made some salad. I had some grilled chicken on it. Man, it was fucking delicious.
Speaker 2:Nice, well, I didn't take an account was I was going to do a leg day and then I was going to do night class with Seth and I was like I didn't take an account, I didn't eat any carbs and I do. I literally got through with my squat set and I literally was going in there to when we were about to roll and I was like, dude, I can't fucking do this. If you are doing cardio on a regular basis, if you're doing it throughout the day, you are going to need carbs, like I'm just saying, you have to have some sort of energy conversion, like protein you have to have. I understand, like that's the only way to build muscles, to have surplus of protein. But, dude, you need some energy conversion If you're going to be doing strenuous shit throughout the day like Do you know?
Speaker 1:who Michael Chandler is the UFC. Yes, he actually talked about he did. He was on the carnivore. But, like so many athletes find out, when you're putting up that kind of energy, you have to have carbohydrates. Oh yeah, you can't, you just you have to have it. And it seems like everyone who competes in like a sport or something, that it's that intense, you know, like mixed martial arts, that you just you got to have those carbs. And I know there's some like baseball players that follow the carnivore, but they do a modified version, because I wish I could remember who it was. But basically this guy makes he's almost all carnivore, except for after his training he's, he's like a sweet potato pancakes or something.
Speaker 1:Okay, he has to replenish those glycogen stores, like that's so important. I mean, I get it. You're getting really lean. And the reason why I get really lean is because, you know, like bread, I can tell when I eat bread because I retain more water when I'm eating bread, where it's like, if I go a couple of days of just eating fruits, bro it, yeah, I can tell. Right, but like, my energy is still just as good. As a matter of fact, my energy feels a bit cleaner, if that makes sense when I'm just eating the fruit. But like I love bread because I put the butter on it, you know, I fucking love the. The caries Irish, oh yeah, caries Irish butter. Yeah, yeah, man, I'll put that shit on everything.
Speaker 2:Well, take, okay, when we say this, when we talk about carbohydrates, it is extremely, especially if you are not doing anything throughout the day. It is extremely easy to overdo carbs and I think that's a lot of. What gets people bigger is like you know. Well, if you sit around all day, you don't train. That day you fucking eat potato chips. You have a bowl of noodles Like it's it's really easy to cut and, man, those calories can stack up very, very fast.
Speaker 1:And, uh, you know what we talked about this. So this is something we were talking about before the podcast as well, and this is something I've been hitting on my social media, cause you mentioned the overconsumption of carbohydrates. We look at our society today and what do we see? We see a society that is clearly unhealthy, like physically and mentally, we like. It boggles my mind that nobody wants to call it a crisis, but it is a crisis, right? Um, you know, is it Peter Atea? You know, you know who he is. I actually don't know that. I hope I'm saying his name, right? How's the spell? That's Peter Atea, atea. People listen to this. We're like I can't believe he doesn't know him, cause he's on like Jocos podcast. He's been on Rogan's podcast. I'm the man of not knowing anything, if you haven't noticed. Well, he's a doctor and he's big on fasting, like the seven day fast, and a lot of people talk to me about that. Yeah, well, he, um, oh man, I'm going to lose my wait. What was I talking about?
Speaker 2:Well, you mentioned Peter Atea, and fasting is what we were kind of touching on.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the overconsumption of carbohydrates? Right. So so we're in this crisis. All right, we got, we got, we got a society that has, like, probably more food options than we've ever had before.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, it's gotta be right.
Speaker 1:And a lot of these food options are uh, I called it. Yeah, they're like low value, uh, low value calories, empty calories, it's sugar, uh, it's like. Oh, that's that's what Peter Atea was talking about was the rise of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And he said and that's entirely preventable. And so when we look at like our society and what people are dying from, uh, a majority of the deaths in our country are preventable. Like heart disease, right, heart disease is the most preventable.
Speaker 1:Typically that's a lifestyle smoking, alcohol, poor diet, sedentary. And now we're living in a time where there's this body positivity push, yeah, right, like. It's like we're living in bizarro land where uh, like like, mainstream organizations and politicians are fucking encouraging people to be unhealthy. And if you, if you, you push back against that, if you, um, if you don't agree with it, it's like you're the asshole man, yeah, and then now people, so MSNBC just released an article about, um, the rise of like how people that are into home fitness are apparently far right extremists. So they're like going after people now for being healthy and taking their health in their hands.
Speaker 2:How is fucking exercising political. That blows my mind.
Speaker 1:Well see I think it goes back. And so this is what I said in a post the other day is, I think this is what I think. I think a healthy population that's mobile, um, that can, that is adaptable, is dangerous. I mean, look at where we're at now, like, and people can say we're conspiracy theorists all you want, but when you look at what our government's doing and how people are living now, uh, we have a government that's dead set on, like, taking as much of our privacy away as possible. Taking away, okay, on dependence, pretty much.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about the big C word COVID. That was a great opportunity for somebody in a position of power to say, hey, you know what? Um, americans aren't very healthy, and you know, the talking mouths can blame people not getting vaccinated on the deaths, but the reality is and I'm not going to look up the stats, so you know, you guys can fucking fact check, yeah, you fucking look it up, but it was a high degree of people who died from COVID had comorbidities yes, they were overweight. They already had health problems heart issues, diabetes, yeah, and like. And then they had a lot of people who were sick. They had heart issues, diabetes and like, and then anxiety, right? So so so they fear mongered it. You know terrified people, jesus Christ, every time you look at the fucking news, yeah, so that would have been a great opportunity for somebody to say, hey, um, one of the best ways to keep our society healthy is to start taking care of yourself, right?
Speaker 2:Let's shut down the gyms in the meantime.
Speaker 1:Isn't that fucking bonkers? So here's the thing. They're criticizing people for home fitness, but they fucking shut the gym down for like a year and kept fast food joints open. Explain the fucking logic in that Fuck so many.
Speaker 2:Please Somebody explain the logic in that? And guys, home equipment is not fucking cheap, like actual weights and everything. Don't even give me started machines, like they're fucking crazy Talking thousands of dollars to have like I might as well just be like a fucking militia member.
Speaker 1:I mean, I live off the woods, I train at home. Like God I'm a straight up Dude.
Speaker 2:He was literally cleaning his musket when I got here, and that's right.
Speaker 1:Bro, I was watching the Patriot. That's a fucking solid movie, Dude. I love that shit.
Speaker 2:Look at that. I've seen that movie. I love that movie. He did see bullshit the movie you saw.
Speaker 1:I know something, so yeah, so I think it's really weird that there's this body positivity push. But, yeah, it's like the powers that be still refuse to highlight the benefits of a healthy lifestyle. Right, like, why aren't we seeing that push? Right, like, why, why is it that people that gravitate towards fitness and gravitate towards why are we looked at as the weird ones? Right, I think about this. Like this is this, is this is like a weird thing. Right, so they call us health nuts. Right, like, which is a pretty demeaning term, but like nobody, that doesn't bother anyone. But you tell someone they're obese and holy shit. Like God forbid, you, fucking God forbid. You criticize someone who's not taking care of themselves. Right, and there's a tactful way to do it. I don't believe in berating somebody for not. You know, and I make that very clear in my social media I'm not going to do that, but I'm not going to accept it as healthy.
Speaker 2:No, that's the problem, and I want to touch on this really quick, just so we don't sound like completely ignorant assholes. Go for it. So, matt, have you ever been, have you ever been like any any overweight like at all? Never, okay, so I will talk about this briefly. So my family, some like some of them, have problems with obesity and I'm going to say firsthand, I have seen the cycle. My mom I love her to pieces is actually a birthday today.
Speaker 1:Mom, somehow you hear this happy birthday.
Speaker 2:Tell her. I said happy birthday but like, so she had me. And obviously with pregnancy, with women, like it is super common to retain some of that way. You know, when I got older man, I started listening to the dare people who come through my school and I'm like, oh my God, my mom does drugs, cigarettes or a fucking drug yeah, I was preaching on that so she quit smoking and then, well, you know, you lose nicotine a lot of times.
Speaker 2:People, to cope with that addiction loss, they, you know, they'll eat, no, you know, blow binge eat. And she has found herself in like this whole one. I have witnessed it and it makes me, it breaks my heart to see it, but she has. Every time it's like she tries to start doing something. It seems like it makes it worse, like on our mental health, like she already like hates being that way and it's this constant, it's this fucking negative spiral.
Speaker 2:And no, guys, if you, I'm not saying she's, she's not fucking 400 pounds or anything, but she's just like it's a, it's a fucking pitfall man, you, you hate yourself a little more and you cope with that by eating more and it's just like. It's like emotional eating, yes, you know, and, like dude, it's really. It's hard to get started, it's hard to lose that weight. That's a large hill to climb and we understand that. But we still can't. We can't glorify this, we can't say like, oh no, that's okay to be that way that you know you're going to have, you're already pre diabetic, you've got the signs of congestive heart failure, like that's not shaping up to be a long healthy line.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like the numbers they have on, like people in this country that are pre diabetic they're. They're pretty staggering. Again, I'm, you guys can look this shit up. We're not. We're not such a high speed podcast. Yet they were like let me, hey, jamie, pull that up.
Speaker 2:We don't have a Jamie. Yeah, we don't have a.
Speaker 1:Jamie. But like hey man, you can just look around at our society and see how jacked up Everyone's becoming to hear in the South to it's like, yeah, everything's deep fried.
Speaker 1:It's bad. Like the proper Midwest. Michigan's not the fucking Midwest, okay, neither is fucking Wisconsin. That's so annoying. That's like it's not Midwest of anything. Literally it's not. It's north, like what the fuck? Get your directions right. People Fucking geography Right here. Sorry, I just had to get that out there. But you're right. In the South there's, there's, and you know people want to like link it to education, and I guess that could be a part of it, but I don't. It's not just the South, though, anymore. I mean it's, it's. It's a nationwide Dude. It's a worldwide problem, because now it's like the US is kind of the epicenter, though it's a well, because we export our fast food Like like anyone else needs that shit like dude. I was in Dubai and they're like McDonald's there. They call things different names, but the Royale with cheese, that's literally what it's called, bro, you fucking with the whole picture behind the truth.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's a royal with cheese. 100%, you gotta be fucking kidding. I'm not kidding Because we laughed about that. You're like, we laughed about it because that's literally what it was on the.
Speaker 2:What about the money? Why would they call it like the eighth of a kilogram with cheese? I don't know, dude, it was the royal.
Speaker 1:They're right, holy shit. Yeah, that's how they do the Volta, at least in Dubai. That's how we saw it. I didn't. I didn't get to go to any other fast food joints in any other countries because, like Greece, didn't I Mean. Why would you eat fast food in Greece? Their food is fucking amazing as it is. They probably want variety if they have it so good man. Well, they eat a lot of meat, a lot of chicken, and they they. You ever had of a shawarma? If you ever have a chicken shawarma, I've never had a shawarma.
Speaker 2:They're delicious. It was actually considered Indian food, am I wrong?
Speaker 1:that I Think it will. Middle Eastern Okay, I grew up in Dearborn, you know, and there's a East Dearborn has a very large Middle Eastern population and so the food in East and Dearborn is amazing. If you like Middle Eastern cuisine, like Dearborn is the place to go, because they're Lebanese, iraqi and Iranian mostly so, but anyway. So get them back to the this, this, this body positivity. You know, you mentioned your mom. It's funny because I love my mom to death too and she's kind of had the same struggle and she's actually doing really well now. She walks, her and her, my dad, they go on walks and she's lost a good amount of weight. Yeah, awesome, and she's, she's keeping it off, which that's been her. Her personal struggle with with food and weight is that she would lose weight and then it would just come back because she was always chasing a diet, like she wasn't making those lifestyle choices, and so this is like another topic, right, like that's really like lifestyle choices.
Speaker 1:You know a lot of people that are unhealthy. They they're whole lifestyles typically unhealthy. They're usually Not getting them right I'm on a sleep, they're. They probably don't really follow a routine and like I get it. People criticize people with routines, but there's a reason why routines work, like when you know you got to do certain things at certain times and makes it easier for you to stay on track, and so, like when you look at people that you know have extra weight and they, they're emotional eaters. There's also a lot of other unhealthy things going on in their lives, like they spend an order amount of times Time just Sitting like not doing anything.
Speaker 1:Well, dude, our bodies were made to fucking move. There's a reason why we have arms and legs Crawl, walk, climb. We're supposed to do all that stuff. That's what we have adapted to do, and yet, you know, we live in a time where, you know, convenience is I think convenience is Is kind of guiding everything. All of our technology is Death and motivation. Dude, absolutely like, why leave your house when you can literally have all your garbage delivered to you? Uber Eats, like. I hear people talk about Uber Eats and shit. I'm like I've never had, I've never been able to have. Well, you don't live in bum, fuck nowhere. So it's probably not I know what. Just, and I probably still wouldn't use it, though, because I'd like to cook. I cook my own food, and that's the other thing about people who tend to be unhealthy Is they're probably not preparing their own meals. Oh god, no fast food all the way in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or or they're getting. They're buying Frozen food, like those frozen meals that you put in a microwave.
Speaker 2:They're buying shit like they're hunger man's like.
Speaker 1:I know people who literally, they'll eat like pizza rolls and like that's their dinner. Like pizza rolls, like ember. There you go, and she can get away with it right now. Oh yeah, she's young, yep, but that shit will catch up, I promise, because as we get older, our metabolism slows down. So for me, anyway so it's like my mom has has also dealt with this this kind of relationship with food, because I think that's where I mean a lot of this starts right and again, she was a smoker too. It's. There's that connection where a lot of smokers stop and so they they compensate. Well, they got my taste buds back and this tastes good and it's like, no, it's because you're so used to putting something in your mouth and oral fixation is a real thing, dude.
Speaker 2:It's like absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm quitting. I tell people this I smoked a little bit in high school and into college, like my Stinton college and in my early years, and that was super easy to quit because I started working like I got even more serious about my work and I just quit dip yeah, I fucking broke. That was the hardest because I didn't even pick up dipping until the marine cork.
Speaker 2:That's such a common thing in the military? No, I guess, because they're like you.
Speaker 1:You know it's like a jujitsu competition. You get there and they're like, oh, we got to hurry up. And then you have hours where you just you wait and like in the military you can't go anywhere. So like if you're, once you're in the armory, you can't just leave, like because there's weapons out, like you can't do anything, like you have to literally sit there and just wait for five hours. So what do you do? You bust out, dip and you just dip and like, well, what would you go to them?
Speaker 2:I'm kind of curious. Grizzly wintergreen, that's so basic, god damn. But it was the strongest A man, no, I. The skull is actually stronger, believe it or not.
Speaker 1:I Didn't like skull man, like I always got the biggest buzz from grizzly wintergreen. Or if I wanted to get fans, I'd get the Copenhagen wintergreen, copenhagen, copenhagen's nice, I know I actually looked at our thing.
Speaker 2:We actually do have quite a few overseas listeners and they're probably wondering what the actual fuck we are talking about Holy shit.
Speaker 1:They know because when we train at the foreign Legion they had dip too. Oh really, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I know in Mexico it's not as common. I don't know about.
Speaker 1:I think it's pretty common in Europe. I don't think it's unheard of In Africa. They chew cot which is like Like a, it's like coca, almost like it's like their version. Yeah, it's called cot when we're in Djibouti.
Speaker 2:That's where to go, djibouti.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna fucking find a way to get every episode.
Speaker 2:That's gonna be the ongoing joke.
Speaker 1:So booty, fucking Djibouti, but they would like. So part of what the foreign french foreign Legion was doing is they were remapping their routes because they had, like these smugglers smuggling this cot because it's like a, they can turn into a drug, so like and it rots your teeth. So you could tell like a cot user, because their teeth would just be all rotten and stuff. Um, so I don't even know why we're talking about that. How do we get on that?
Speaker 2:How do we get? We were talking about dip and you're talking about in different countries and cultures.
Speaker 1:But dipping, quitting that was the hardest. So the oral fixation like that was it took me probably five tries to quit dip and then I finally stuck when Ah, let's see my then wife we went on a trip to Maine and we were just, we were so far away From a store that I ran out and I was like all right, that's like I'm done.
Speaker 2:It's telling me about the process of like going through that, like just not having any. It's suck dude.
Speaker 1:But you know I was, I was, I was already like healthy and I already had a good mindset with food. So but it was a hard. Uh, it was hard because I was all like antsy and then you get, uh get moody, like you know you're not having this extra burst, and uh, it didn't last too long, luckily. And then, once I quit, I was glad because I could, I could feel it my gums, it does fuck with your, yeah and so. So, like my mom dealt with this emotional eating. But where she's made the change is just she's made lifestyle changes. So she does intermittent fasting, um, she cuts off, she like she'll stop eating after eight o'clock at night and she, she's like she's In a better place mentally.
Speaker 1:Yep, she's, she's losing weight and that makes her like, when you see, that and and and here's the other important thing about that weight loss is that, uh, all those earlier times she was losing weight, she would lose it really fast, right like, oh god, I lost 20 pounds over the last two weeks and that's like whoa, that's a lot. It's hyper aggressive.
Speaker 1:It's almost guaranteed to rebound, because you know it's more realistic to try to lose like a pound a week, maybe. That's. Yeah, that's even like, that's pretty, that's sustainable. Yeah, because you got to look at the health and fitness game. You have to see it for what it is and it's the fucking long game. It has to be something you do your whole life. It has to be a decision you make, and so she. She made that decision and so now they walk daily. Uh, they eat, they eat good, and even if she cheats, she will allow herself to cheat because she knows she's not gonna eat after eight o'clock. And she's helped, she's stuck to that right. And now she's seeing the results and she, you know she's 65.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not getting younger and the and that's the other crazy thing about, uh, this body positivity, and there's I don't think there's any science that that shows that being obese is good. Right, I mean no, I don't. And if there is, I'm gonna really call bullshit on that, because that's. I don't think anyone will deny the fact that when you're carrying around excess body weight, that that's reducing years, that's taking years off your life. But you can reverse that and that's what bulls, my mind, is like. People will pay. They will like they'll pay insurance. Right, they'll pay insurance for life insurance. Oh, I gotta have my life insurance. Um, I gotta have my health insurance. I gotta have insurance for my house. I gotta have insurance for my car. I want to have insurance for my video games and my video game consoles and my tv. And he had no. Mother fucker stops and says, well, maybe I should uh Like there's a, there's free insurance. And that's called taking care of yourself, it's called eating right, it's called Doing something physically active every day.
Speaker 2:Well, if you want to cash in your life insurance early, you can just continue Absolutely and everyone else gets the benefit, all the people in your life.
Speaker 1:You're like thank god, that fat fuck died. I do this for my family. Sorry, I don't mean to, you know, yeah, we're poking fun, sorry, that's okay, fuck, whatever. Yeah, people listen to this. Are that easily offended? Then they're just not the right crowd. Yeah, so then we're not even being mean, but uh, I just it blows my mind and I get there's people out there that struggle with, uh, that relationship with food. Right, like I get it. Man, it's an addiction there, dude, absolutely. And it's like especially with depression, and yeah, there's a lot of depressed people right now. Mental health is all time low.
Speaker 2:It feels like yeah, all time.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying like no, I I think there's something to that.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it's with, without the history of our nation. I'll say that I'm gonna say, yeah, I'm probably pretty depressed and, like the bubonic plague era, like Pretty fucking sad.
Speaker 1:They seemed a bit hardier back then, like, yeah, they seem like they can endure a little bit more. It seems like we're now, um, I don't know, man, durability. It just doesn't seem like people are as durable as they they used to be. And when you think about the amount of people that are on pharmaceuticals for for not just mental health, but like that ozempic, like Okay, so now you're gonna get people who Get on this ozempic and they're gonna have to be on it for the rest of life, because these people, like all pharmaceuticals, almost do they always treat, they mask Almost all, especially ssri's. They're just masking the symptoms, like that's what you treat.
Speaker 2:A lot of people treat symptoms.
Speaker 1:They don't treat root root sore exactly, which is getting to the base of your fucking trauma. Like they would just rather take a pill and lie to themselves that they're okay. And that's the same thing with this ozempic. I've been alive long enough to see Weight loss drugs come and go. My mom was doing one of those injectable based weight loss drugs.
Speaker 2:Ozempic is literally I give that it's for a diet, fucking betes it's for it's not to help you. Wait, I literally it helps, like over, like it. People do it once a week and it really does help keep their blood sugar lower. I have first hand seen it. It is effective. But you should not be taking medicine away from diabetic People. Yeah, I could help your weight loss, or that you're too lazy to do the shit the right way?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, but if you're type 2 diabetic, well, you can reverse that Well, I'm talking about like people like in my populace of where I work, like long-term care, like I mean they're not exactly doing jumping jacks where I'm coming from too.
Speaker 1:No, they, they missed the bus. Yeah, this should have started earlier. They wouldn't be there that maybe would be Jack.
Speaker 1:LaLaine. Hey man, jack LaLaine was in his 90s and it's like swimming across alcatraz and shit. So, jesus Christ, I'm gonna be that motherfucker if I live that long. Dude, I just refused to. And that's the other thing like quality of life If there's any other reason to take care of yourself, be healthy, be strong. You know quality of life when you Can move your body in any way you want. You know, when you're like when I see someone who's severely obese, it's like they're trapped in their butt. You ever think, like, how do they wipe their ass? How do they shower? How do they? How are they doing their basic day-to-day activities when they require two airplane seats? It just it seems like it leads to a whole host of problems that are entirely preventable.
Speaker 2:Every like basic activities of daily living Are gonna be super fucking challenging. Can you imagine that? Like that's like no.
Speaker 1:See, when I was young, I I don't know why Uh, the fitness bug bit me when it, like as young as it did. I just knew. When I first started working out at about 16 or 17, um, I was doing bodyweight stuff and then my parents got a bow flex, oh, I started with the bow flex dude. I fucking love the bow flex.
Speaker 2:Holy shit.
Speaker 1:People will shit on it. I shit on bow flex. I fucking hate it. I loved it Like it got me into working out.
Speaker 2:I know, but the weights are so fucking inaccurate. I'm the one, of course, like the bendy, the bendy black.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh fuck, it's just that's like, it's like resistance bands, that's all it is, you know. And but it was my, it was my introduction to training and that led me to free weights, which I mean, that's the king like right there, free weights, is it? But, uh, I, I wrote like a contract with myself when I was young. I, I, I made a promise to myself that I would always take care of myself, that I would always be healthy and like, I would always be like at a you know, I call it fighting weight, you know, just basically be at the weight I should be at. Um, and I would always be healthy. And I never went back on that, even like.
Speaker 1:Whatever I had going on in my life, whether it was being in the military, being a combat, like, uh, and I had been criticized for this my whole life. Like, growing up, I was always the weirdo who's like bringing his food everywhere, you know, like, you know, I'd go out and I'd bring my own food with me because I'm like, I'm not eating that shit. Like, fuck you, I don't care if you're offended, I don't give a fuck. Well, fuck you like. And so, because my health was important. So I was like the meal prep guy, I was doing that shit 20 years ago. You know where everyone's doing it now, like look at my Instagram, I'm meal prepping. That's like cool, bro, like I also eat.
Speaker 1:I happen to be a neater myself. I happen to eat healthy food as well, uh, so it just caught on at a young age. I never let go of it and it's funny because Maybe you were there. We're talking about this Cooper, um, because he's run into this. So when I was like in my early 20s, people were, they were always negative about working out because they weren't. So it was always like, oh, just wait until you're in your 30s. And so I get into my 30s. I'm like, okay, yeah, fucking tough. What? Oh, wait until you're in your 40s. And I'm like, well, all right, I'm in my 40s now and Now I'm doing jujitsu. Yeah, now I'm training harder than I've ever trained my entire fucking life.
Speaker 1:Right, and those people who will say stuff like that, those are the people who are projecting their insecurities, or they are actually. They are actually telling you that maybe they were like you at one point, but they didn't have the discipline to stay with it. Because that's what it is, it's fucking discipline. It's jocco style discipline. Discipline equals freedom. That's why he talks about that, because when, uh, when you're able to take care of your body and your mind, you're able to do more stuff. Right, you're, you're like you fucking feel better, yeah, and you don't need to buy two airplane tickets Exactly because you can't fit in one chair. Like isn't that a crazy problem in our system? That's a Like we look around the world and there's people starving, and then you come here to America and like there's people and just running around on rascals and walmart oh my yeah, because they're fat yeah not because they're handicapped.
Speaker 1:Well, they're handicapped because they're fat, yes, but don't say that to them because they'll blame. Oh, it's genetic, it's part of my family, it's like dude.
Speaker 2:There are. There are people with actual genetic issues? I'm sure there is, but the percentage is.
Speaker 1:Fucking low, right it's. It's the same argument people for against abortion. They're like oh so if this girl gets raped by her dad, then I can't want to have abortion. It's like the reality of that is happening is so fucking low that Like why are you using that as an argument?
Speaker 1:Like that's a terrible argument because it's like that's that's probably not even a percentage of what Actual abortion, it's just these fucking slots going out getting banged out. I mean, like I don't give a fuck, like women treated and I'm I'm pro-choice, right, I'm pro-choice, but let's call a fucking duck-a-duck, all right. Like there's a lot of women out there that just Look they.
Speaker 2:Like having sex without protection. They don't want you to wear a condom.
Speaker 1:Yeah then, so they just Get their little plan beer or whatever the fuck it is.
Speaker 2:I mean good on them, I don't give a fuck. It's their choice. I'm not gonna classify plan B as abortion.
Speaker 1:That's like, literally like Nothing, like that's like it's an ironic that planned parenthood is called planned parenthood when you're not planning anything You're not planning parenthood? Yeah you're planning to actually do the opposite, like I don't want to. This should be like Planned. Fucking dying fetus. That's a death metal band.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, I saw them at a concert. Yeah, dark.
Speaker 1:Freedies.
Speaker 2:They sound pretty fucking gangster dude. Yeah, they're awesome man.
Speaker 1:So yeah, man, this push for body positivity, I think, is a fucking terrible idea. I don't know where it comes from and I don't know where it goes. I mean, where does it go from here, man? Like I don't.
Speaker 2:It's pretty much the inversion of everything that's healthy or normal. Like that's pretty much where we're at.
Speaker 1:And we're criticizing people that take care of themselves. Yeah, which is crazy. You know, like there's a hashtag I use now and it's strength is never a weakness, because before he came over, he was talking about body of mind, and this is another thing I mentioned in my post, because it seems like isn't necessarily like strong, healthy masculinity is under attack. I just think strength in general is under attack, and what I mean by that is people who have strong character, strong mind, strong bodies, strong thoughts, like they're like dangerous. Now, right, yes, which, well, I mean without. You know, I live way out here, so it's like I feel like I get to, I have this outsider's perspective and it seems like that's what, for some weird reason, that's what's going on. It's like strength and confidence are being attacked and they're just being labeled as toxic masculinity or something like that, but yet, which I don't know.
Speaker 2:It boggles my mind because that's kind of against our human nature. Like, okay, this is like I'm going to. I'm going to reference like a Bill Burr skip, which I don't agree with Bill Burr and everything. He's hilarious, he is fucking hilarious. But I mean, he makes a few comments about this, but he's talking about the attack on masculinity. You know, you females, you know, are going to want like these fucking sensitive soy boys. But like, when you're fucking, front door gets kicked in and the shit's about to hit the fan, do you want the guy who's up grabbing a weapon or do you want the guy who's hiding under the covers looking at you?
Speaker 1:like Okay, so I'm going to branch off of that, because, did you see, a couple of weeks ago there was like a viral TikTok of a liberal girl, like a liberal woman, saying how it's she's upset because there's no masculine men in her liberal circle, like most of the masculine men she knows are all conservative. But yes, she won't date a conservative guy.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that issue's kind of been created by I mean, I'm talking to my buddy who lives out in Oregon and he's experiencing the same thing.
Speaker 1:He's a very masculine, it's confident guy. You said ex-Marine, right? Yes, I was in the Marine Corps with them and he's in an area he's in Oregon which is very liberal and he's in a town that's even this, he bent bent Oregon, and he's a black man, very good looking Denzel Washington, like black man and he confirms that he's like it's weird, because you know, he's. It's like a lot of the guys out there are just very passive, you know very and and he, he is very passive, he, he does, you know, he does well for himself with the ladies, yeah, and that's almost the. That's the number one thing almost all of them talk to him about is just, there's this lack of masculine guys and it's like hello, haven't you been fucking crying about how masculinity is Toxic, toxic, right, and so you can't have both, like you can't have Matt, you can't have neutered guys and expect masculinity, and just suddenly man up out in nowhere, right, Like look dude, we're guys for a reason.
Speaker 1:Guys are guys for fucking reason. I'm not going to get into this trans debate or anything like that. I'm I fucked that. But guys are guys. Guys are guys because they think logically typically, and they can tend to be able to put their emotions aside to get something done. Hopefully, hopefully, and that's okay, like, and there's exceptions to that and that's okay too, there's balance to that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Like we can tap into our quote, unquote feminine side if we need to, if we're in a crisis scenario and, you know, maybe yelling and being aggressive isn't the tact to take or the tactic, but maybe you have to kind of like, be more of like I don't know if mother's a word, but like a parental role where you, just you got to, you know you have to, you have to exude some feminine energy, you got to calm people and assure them and things like that. There is definitely a time and place for that, absolutely so. I think that's just really funny, that that Bilber says that and you're seeing people complaining on both sides Like you know this, this, I wish I could remember the tech, but I mean it blew up, it was on the news even and she's just complaining about the lack of masculine men and these very liberal circles and it's like, well, yeah, because they're all like, they're fucking like transitioning to women now, yeah, I mean competing with women.
Speaker 2:They've literally, like they've fucking white knighted so long for this, this movement, that they're just. It's our time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I'm not going to get in there. Yeah, we'll stay cool. That's a, that's a fucking, that's a can of worms, dude.
Speaker 2:I someone tell me who listened to this. Or like man, you guys get off topical.
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah, that's the point, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just fucking. That's the point, just kind of go for it. I thought I will say today I feel like we had probably less reference material than usual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is just a shoot from the hip kind of episode. Yeah, we'll see how people like it, I guess, with like the, the undercurrent, just health fitness stuff, like that. So why don't know? We, sorry, go ahead. No, no, I'm just going to say we touched on a lot of this body positivity.
Speaker 1:I was going to figure we can I don't know start talking a little bit about things you can do, you know, especially when it comes to strength, strength conditioning and even like strength and conditioning with Jiu Jitsu. So because before I started Jiu Jitsu, I was not sure how to train for Jiu Jitsu, right, I think a lot, and you know it's interesting because, like with Jiu Jitsu, you see a lot of, you see a lot of like different training styles. Oh yeah, and I think they're all, they're pretty generic, because most of the training and I'm not saying it's wrong, it's not, it's not wrong, there's no right or wrong way is basically what I learned, if you're trying, if you are training, if you were like actually working to get better at it, that's a good thing, like I mean.
Speaker 1:I well, that's why I think functional strength Like I. So before I realized I was going to do Jiu Jitsu, I was doing like a very traditional power building kind of workout, which was good, but I was really missing the conditioning because I would like do a set and I'd rest for three minutes. You know, lifting pretty heavy, but you just you're not getting any kind of conditioning element from that. And I was doing a lot of traditional stuff, like I think, the stuff people see me doing right now. I wasn't doing that two years ago. Like I was doing barbells, dumbbells, just linear planes of motion up down.
Speaker 2:Which is great it builds strength but like the difference between moving static weight and trying to control a human person who is using their entire body to try to get away from you? Yes, is too very different.
Speaker 1:And that's where I think unconventional functional type training is very valuable. And you know a lot of people, I don't think, know where to start or how to implement stuff like that into their routine, and the way I did it was it was like a very gradual process. So I just I realized that circuits would be the way to go right, like circuit training, because but the problem with circuit training, especially in the popular view of circuit training, is you almost always see it with like aerobics or body weight, or you see people circuit training and they're just their training was super lightweight and they're not. And so that's when I came across that jailhouse strong and I was like, well, let's see what's going on with this. And they had this. Their system is based off. It's called PHA peripheral heart action training and what it is is basically I'm going to forget their names Bob Guida. Bob Guida was this gold era or silver era bodybuilder who popularized. He didn't invent it, it was the professor he worked with. I'm going to forget his name. But so Bob Guida was a bodybuilder who started this circuit style training and basically he would have like five to eight movements and he would do them all in a row and then not rest and just go right back through and you do that three or four times and your fucking heart rate staying yeah too amazing effect. But what jailhouse strong did is they kind of put their own little flare on it. They added strongman stuff and then I took that and I added my own flare to it, which was more.
Speaker 1:Once I started doing jiu-jitsu I started being able to identify like movements that would really benefit, like I loved, like bear crawls and the sandbag, the fucking sandbag. I get so many people asking about sandbags and if there's one way to almost instantly improve your functional unconventional strength, especially with jiu-jitsu, it's sandbag training. So literally dead weight, man, dude it. Not only is it dead weight but it's shifting. It's like shifting dead weight and with jiu-jitsu you never know which way your opponent's going to go. I mean there's always that shift.
Speaker 1:So like the sandbag for me is like the basis of my unconventional sort of functional training program because I'm using a sandbag in every workout. You know, grip, it's going to work. Your grip, your forearms, your shoulders, your traps, I mean your core, like the kind of the kind of movement like I'm doing the sandbag suplexes and man, I like I get the core engagement I get from something like that is fuck, is top notch, you know, and then that directly transfers over into jiu-jitsu. But, with that being said, there's a lot of successful like power lifters that do jiu-jitsu. So I guess that the like what do you do? What I do?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I definitely follow a more traditional weight training program. It's definitely the same as yours. I mean, I honestly kind of use jiu-jitsu as my training for jiu-jitsu. I know it sounds kind of goofy, but that's okay, no, that's all right, I do. I really like a basic. I do just a push, pull legs split with I do. I like free weight. I really like my dumbbells. I think dumbbells are more practical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dumbbells are awesome, obviously, with my squat I'm doing, I'm doing bar deadlifts, like I'm probably going to be doing barbell, obviously, but yeah, I mean I really I really like using my dumbbells for a lot of my movements. But I mean, yeah, I said more traditional, like if I wanted to, if I really try to add in cardio, I really like just hitting the road running. I don't think running is a really great translation over to jiu-jitsu. I mean it increases your cardio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had a stint where, when I was boxing, I was getting extremely tired. I was like I mean, I was literally at the point where I was running, like I was running three miles like every other day and I was like I was getting. I was boxing dude and Trevor Anderson fucking great guy he was, he was working with me. At that point we do one three minute round. I'd be gasped. I was like what the fuck is wrong with me? I'm boxing is tiring, don't get wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I literally asked Trevor. I'm like, dude, I'm doing so much to try to get my cardio better and I'm just tiring out and this is when I keep mine as early on. He's like dude, like when you get in the pocket you don't breathe. I, literally as soon as he said that, and I started exhaling with each strike, I started making sure, even in the pocket I was taking the time, you know my mouth guard, I'm taking time to breathe I noticed a tremendous increase in, like how much I could perform. I'm like there's just little stuff that you can do like that. Well, that's why I got that breast trainer Exactly. We've been talking about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been on it about a week and I noticed people have been asking me about it. I'm going to probably do an update on that coming up, but it's a, it's it's trinket. You know, that's the and I didn't really even think about this, right, like people, I think. When they think of their lungs, I think people assume they're like a muscle, but they're not. The lungs are just literally a bag, yep, and your diaphragm is what's responsible for opening them up. So you know, the diaphragm is a muscle, yep, which means you can train it to be stronger. So this little O2 breathing system, it's like this rubber thing you put in your mouth. You breathe out forcefully all the way, you breathe all that air out and then you inhale through your, not through your nose. You don't use your nose at all, but you're inhaling through the mouthpiece and there, on the other end, on the other side of this tube, it's like a little hole. So it's actually like resistance for your diaphragm and I, after using it for this week, I mean.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's a long enough trial related to it.
Speaker 1:No, but you know, when you include it with all the stuff I'm already doing, I would, I, just I would. I like to think that I am noticing very, very small changes, like if people see both of them. It could be, it could be. But I mean it is strengthening my diaphragm. Yeah, I do like 30 reps every morning, like on days I'm not doing my strength conditioning, I'll do it in the evening, and on days where I'm doing jujitsu I'll do my breath stuff in the morning. You know like I'll do, but it's 30 repetitions, so you only want to do them within I think it's under four minutes and, and there's three different exercises you can do with it. But after my competition I was like man, I really want to improve my conditioning even more, because I think there's always ways you can improve.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, you know, being satisfied is the death of motivation. Like you have to keep pushing, yeah, and I try to explain to my girlfriend and she doesn't. She's like you look fine, thank you, it was fine for the web. I'm like, if I don't push myself at all, I'm like, oh, this is good, I'll just stay here. I literally won't put in the work. Like you have to put in the work, you have to motivate yourself. Yes, you can't just be like, oh, yeah, I'm good, I'm just going to stay here. That's when you fucking go downhill, that's when you start putting on the weight. Like you have to continue to push all the time, find ways to improve. I'm not saying I'm not advocating for body dysmorphia, like, oh, my God, I'm a fucking lard ass, which I mean a lot of the stuff I'm in the fitness thing, like they. Like like looking at yourself like, damn dude, I'm fucking obese and it's all reality.
Speaker 1:Well, there's that they call bigorexia, which is hilarious, I mean, I'm sure there's people that have it, but I don't know. I think. But see, that's another. That's like another. Like oh well, what can we give a name to people that want to have muscle, like what's called bigorexic? It's like that is like, that's crazy. Why would you not want to have like muscle? Well, but, but I will say this there is a point where, like a bodybuilder gets so big, like they're almost obese. It's like they had the same mobility issues that an obese person has, yes, and like like when Jake Cutler or Ronnie Coleman were at their biggest. It's like, how are they wiping their ass? Like those motherfuckers are barely move their arms and tie their shoes, like they're walking upstairs, like dying, Like that. Okay, let's make this very clear Bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is not a sport. Let's make that fucking clear. Bodybuilding is not a sport. Damn dude. It is not a sport. I will say it's an art form. Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 2:It's not a sport, so you're going to get some big motherfuckers after us, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some big non-mobile motherfuckers. That. What are they going to do? Let's come over and snap their shoulder.
Speaker 2:They can't even fucking run away like 20 feet and one.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, look, I've loved a bodybuilders and I think bodybuilding is very relevant, especially if you have an injury. Like bodybuilding style training is excellent for someone rehabbing a muscle or something. But I mean, and I get people like, well, gordon Ryan, gordon Ryan Ryan, you know, basically trains like a bodybuilder and well, that's fucking Gordon Ryan man. Like, yeah, the dudes also, you can't, you can't use him as an example for anything. You know, fucking freaking nature. And like I had any trains you just do three times a week, seven times, or three times a day, seven days a week, you know. So it's like who fucking does that? Like Mike Musimachi.
Speaker 2:Yeah like their full time job is jujitsu. Yes, full time Like yes.
Speaker 1:So you can't, people can't fucking do that. You can't take those training protocols from people like that. But I'm like, real quickly I do want to go over how I've programmed my training this time. So I got my competition August 12th. So because I have a lot of people asking me how I program my stuff, so this like so I train Sundays and Thursdays are my strength and conditioning days, right.
Speaker 2:Listen, a lot of people probably like scoff at that. Like only two days of weight training, that's crazy, but actually it took me.
Speaker 1:it took me months to get comfortable with that because I was had the same mindset. I'm like I'm not doing enough, yeah Right. Like I'm doing three days of strength and conditioning and I'm doing three days of jujitsu. And I talked to a friend and he's very you know, very knowledgeable about a lot of this stuff as well and he trains twice a week and he started putting like the guy people he trains on this twice a week protocol and this very minimal style training. So I was like all right, fuck it, I added a day to jujitsu, dropped a day of strength and conditioning. So now I'm doing two days of strength and conditioning and it's working out really well because I don't feel over trained, so okay. So let's like take my Thursday workout, my Thursday workout, because there's a bunch of things I've changed because of my competition.
Speaker 1:You know, people can argue about repetition range and stuff like that, and typically on my compound lifts like so Thursdays I start my lifts with the trap bar deadlift. Okay, typically I would and let's say that the training programs before my competition I would usually work in about a 10 rep range and use a fairly amount of weight, like four or five, oh shit. Okay. So four, four, four, five, 10, 15 for 10 reps, god damn son. And. But that was pretty brutal, it was pretty brutal. And then again it's a circuit. So I do, I do a couple more movements. Yeah, yeah, I still do that. But so what I'm doing now, though, is so now I dropped the weight, I'm doing about 275, but I'm hitting. I hit 18 reps last time, so I'm going like, really, cause there's one thing that that the jujitsu competition told me was that I could do much better with working on my muscular endurance, and that's one thing people need to understand.
Speaker 1:When you are making a program, especially if you do a sport or if you competed, anything like your program is supposed to compliment your goals, your your yes. So I mean, if you're not training for anything, you just go to the gym and lift, like that's fine, but I'm really talking to the people who are doing jujitsu, mixed martial arts, box and or, or or any other kind of sport. Right, like, um, your training has to be supplementary, right, it can't be like, oh man, I'm going to. I guess it can be. I shouldn't say it shouldn't, and I'm sure there's some, but for me, I had to make the mind shift of like, well, I'm not a bodybuilder, I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder, I want to be athletic.
Speaker 1:I want to be an athlete. I want to train like an athlete. I want to train like a tactical athlete. I want to be. I want to be able to like, I don't want to gas out in jujitsu and if, like, an emergency situation goes down and like, this is the other thing about tying into a like being obese, like you're fucking liability If I'm, if you're fat, you're a liability.
Speaker 2:You remember? Uh, not to be. You remember the walking dead I'm. You know, you want the first fucking Otis baby?
Speaker 1:Yes, shoot that motherfucker in the leg and run and it's like that's that's not being mean, that's just cold hard facts. Yeah Well, it's like, uh, what was the other movie? Um, the zombie movie? Uh, you mean, come on, give me some details and I'll pull it with Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 2:Oh, zombie land dude, zombie cardio. That's a real number one, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Another one. Holy shit, poor fat bastards. We're at the beginning of the movies, running the football field, the bad guy just gets eaten by the zombie.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, liability man, be an asset, not a liability, right? So this go around on my training program. I, I, I it's crazy because I'm, I'm still doing I do three. I do three separate circuits, right, and my first circuit it's a five movement circuit, so goes like trap our deadlifts right into burpees. Jesus, I, dude, fucking. After those two movements, my, I'm like, I'm, my heart rates probably 90% of my max, but I still have three more movements to go.
Speaker 2:This guy's a glutton for punishment. Yeah, I love that shit. I fucking love it. Okay, fucking Goggins.
Speaker 1:Fuck off, I'm not as bad as Goggins because, like I'm like today, I took a day off. I didn't train today, like I woke up. I, I woke up, I did some, I stretched, did my breathing exercises, did a little bit of my grappling dummy and that was it. Because as I get closer to this next competition, I'm just start ramping stuff up Cause like well how people will ask me how I set my stuff up and like with my, my, my circuit training. Like I always put the hard, heavy, compound stuff first.
Speaker 2:That's. I think that's the right thing to do oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:But. But if you want to, if you want to mess around with, if you want to mess around with conditioning, then and maybe even mimic like wrestling and MMA, then then you know you could. You could actually flip, flop that and do like burpees and then like the searcher squats, which would be rough, oh my God. But you know, like and and and and for those searcher squats you like, if you're doing a high rep number of burpees, I would, I would, my, my set of searchers would probably be heavy. I'd do like three, three, you know, because in that way you're almost mimicking, not just being in a, a, a sparring situation, but that that's mimicking like combat, cause that's kind of how combat was.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, one minute you were just, you know your heart rate is somewhat elevated and then boom, snap of the finger, you like you're off the charts, right, you know, and there's that adrenaline dump. So I think you can train your body, though, to to handle that, and I think, like, with this circuit style of training, I think it, uh, I think it prepares my body for those scenarios. That's why I think, like I came into jujitsu, um, even my first day of class, I didn't, I didn't really gas out. I, I just didn't know what the fuck I was doing, yeah, but I never ran off the mats to throw up. You know, I was never like oh, I never tapped because I was like tired, because I had. I had started training already, I think a year before I'd started this circus style training.
Speaker 2:Did you do it specifically for jujitsu? Oh yeah, okay, so that is bad ass. I want to say, for those of you I know we've talked about jujitsu a significant amount, if you were going, if you're considering to train, please don't be that fucking guy who uses the excuse. Um, and I really want to get in shape before I start doing that. Um, guys, do you know how many fucking calories we burn in one fucking class Like like this is I mean?
Speaker 2:I'm not saying you know, I mean nobody wants to be the guy who comes in the class and throws up Like that's okay, like that happens though, like that's part of it, like this will help you get in shape significantly. Like this you add this in my motor. They even do more stuff outside of class. Like, don't just sit around and wait and make excuses till you fucking die. Don't be that guy. Just get in there and fucking try it. Okay, that's my soap box. Go ahead. Sorry, nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I, I, I changed my training because I knew I wanted to do jujitsu and I knew the way I was training was just uh, it would have worked, I guess you know. But what I was missing was that conditioning component, and that's where the circuit training comes in. That's why I'm so big on circuit training. Now I couldn't imagine going back to training the other way, like for me, I feel like it'd be a step back. But um, I would probably. I'd probably get really big, because you can't train in the circuit style. You could probably get big and gain muscle. I mean, I've gained a bit of muscle, but that's not my goal, you know, and like that's, that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1:Uh, with training, right, I think people start training and like they've got these very surface level goals, which is fine. They want to look good, and you know, I want to look good for the beach and it's like all right, that's good, but that's not a good reason. I don't give a fuck what anyone says, like okay, but do you want to be like in good shape your whole life? I mean, do you want to live for a long time? Do you want to be around for your kids for as long as possible?
Speaker 2:Maybe your grandkids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like fucking, you know, and it's like, uh, so, yeah, people, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Man, I was just ready, I was preparing myself for jujitsu and I just knew that what I was doing for myself I didn't feel like it was enough. So when I started adding in these circuits, but I changed everything for me, Like it took a couple of weeks to get used to it because, like I was fucking sore and when you're doing compound movements and you're you're combining with all this other stuff, like your body has to adapt to all that, especially when it's used to just training like a power builder, you know, you just, you know you get your heart rate up a little bit. But then you've got like three minutes to rest Because, like the way I work, okay, so right now, this is how my circuit set up. So Thursday I do my first circuit five movements, two rounds. I usually rest. Now the round of five movements can take anywhere from seven to eight minutes to complete, depending on what movements I'm doing, and I won't rest anymore than two and a half minutes, like.
Speaker 2:So I'll rest two and a half, so your heart rate is never fully returning to baseline. No, not really. You don't have enough time, dude, no right.
Speaker 1:And like, so I get the second. And then this is the reason why I so because typically I would do three, three circuits, each three rounds, and then each circuit would have three movements, so I'll do nine total movements. So after the competition I was like, oh, I, I need to, I need to increase my muscular endurance. So I decided to do the first circuit. I was like I'm going to put five movements, so I start with a compound movement and then say with the check, like, what I'll do then is I'll try to work up or lower, up or lower, unless it's like burpees or something you know. Just that way it kind of buffers the lactic acid buildup Right, Instead of being like trap our deadlifts, jump squats, would. You can do that too If you're like. But that's a very specific reason why you would do something like trap our deadlifts and then like jump squats, maybe if you were training more days a week and you were isolating said muscles?
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, like Michael Chandler, does this a lot Like cause. I watch his training cause like his style of training is is kind of similar to mine. Like he does a lot of circuit stuff, like and he's strong and he's very good condition and he will do I forget, I should know the name but so he'll do like a couple sets of heavy trap bar deadlifts and immediately go do like box jumps, you know, to increase that explosiveness, power up. But I don't, you know, I like to, I like to alternate. I will do that sometimes when I feel like I need to work on my explosiveness. But I'm 41. So, like this man's like a firecracker.
Speaker 1:That's not well. No, it's not that it's like John Donahue will say like look, dude, when you get older the first thing that goes is explosiveness. Yeah, and I can't keep up with you or Cooper, like, in terms of being explosive, because, especially like Cooper, like just their job, like job you know all your young kids like you're moving, and so for me I can keep up to a degree, but it's more about like just I don't know, being positionally strong, I guess, and and maintaining the little bit of explosiveness I do have because I'm not bad, I'm not in a bad spot for my age. So, no, so it's like, but I think this training has really helped with that. It's helped cultivate and keep that going, because, and then when you think about two days a week, you know a lot of people will think like that's not, that's not enough.
Speaker 1:What's factor in the Jiu Jitsu classes? Well, yeah, but I think even without Jiu Jitsu. So there's this guy named Mike Mentor who was a bodybuilder in the 80s and 90s and like him and Arnold like went at it. Well, mike Mentor was a proponent of this system called the heavy duty and a dude trained like once a week. What humongous but dude, this shit there, like Dorian Yates was another another bodybuilder who got into this heavy duty style of weight training. So what was that? One day like it was intense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they were literally like it had to be for like five or six hours, no way.
Speaker 1:No, no, not even dude, like that's what was crazy about it was. It was a very minimalist type of training.
Speaker 2:How the fuck do you do that? Besides, you know, you know panning.
Speaker 1:I don't I can't go into the specifics because I never really got into the heavy duty. Yeah, and I haven't, like, researched enough, but minimalist style training has been around for a long time because I think a lot of people are over training.
Speaker 2:Like I think it takes quite a bit to over train though Like come on yeah.
Speaker 2:I yeah, probably can if you're doing like, okay, like, let's take, you know, arnold you mentioned Arnold like he was doing what? Like maybe two workouts a day, I think. So Wake up, eat, workout, take a nap, eat again, go work out, like. But, dude, this guy, his full time job was lifting. He ate enough calories to do that. He had nothing else to do but sleep, workout, eat all day Like. Most people aren't going to be able to do that kind of output. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, right, thanks, well, okay, so maybe it's not the over-training, it's just the quality of their training. Yeah, where most people they're going to the gym and they're like, okay, I'm gonna do chest today, so they do their chest and then they go to the gym on Tuesday I'm gonna do chess. Yeah, it's chest egg I'm gonna do chest and maybe I'll do legs. Yeah, dude, how many people neglect their legs, dude.
Speaker 2:It's so tempting everybody I'm saying if you're a dude, like most dudes are gonna fucking hate legs. Most females love like crazy.
Speaker 1:But like it's funny, you say, I got a friend lives up in Michigan and he said the same thing. He's like he would, he would be squatting and he get, he worked. He worked in on a set with this girl. They were squatting and she fucking she destroyed him. Yeah, hold right on. And he was like and he's like, cuz so many the guys won't even train their legs. He's like, and and he was with this girl and she's fucking destroyed him because she was just Squat. Well, you see, at our gym, I mean, you see there's a lot of women squatting, like, like good Like lots of weight and they're playing into their genetic like strength.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how you want to do chest and everybody.
Speaker 1:I love doing legs. Man Like Especially jiu-jitsu, having strong legs.
Speaker 2:It's so important. You gotta have a leg up mean feet like hands. Man, that's like a little man, yeah like squeeze strength, oh yeah, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Where it's? It's like the whole footlock game, right, like in the early days of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. It's like footlocks were frowned upon and no one. It's like, and Dean Lester comes along, he's like that's half your fucking body You're neglecting. Yeah, like what are you doing? Like that's insane. And that's the same thing with training your legs. Like you want to keep your testosterone levels high. You want to, like, gain muscle, fucking squat dude.
Speaker 1:There's so much testosterone Hamstrings like it's crazy Squat, and I don't give a fuck what kind of squat you do, just squat like I don't back squat anymore. Why?
Speaker 2:Um, you're obsessed with searchers like a fucking cycle.
Speaker 1:I don't just do searchers, I do Bulgarian split squats, I do those are fucking, I like those. I like those more than searchers, no kidding. Yeah, I just do the searchers because I think there's this is a really good element to carry over into jiu-jitsu, just that, and especially when you get under hooks, you know, yeah, but Bulgarian split squats, I like those because I I've become a real big fan of, like Single limb training. I love doing metric. Well, no, like I like doing Like one-arm dumbbell presses. Yeah, you know, I like I've.
Speaker 1:I Think doing stuff like that has has helped my strength more than using a barbell or or something that keeps both arms fixed, where, when I could train each leg individually and each arm individually, I feel like I've gotten the best results because I can work in better ranges of motion and you, you effectively negate the imbalances that are created when you train with a barbell. Yep, because I had massive imbalances from my right and left side when I started doing single leg. A lot of the Bulgarian Um split squats and pistol squats, lunges Maybe, yeah, lunges absolutely. And and even um split squats yeah, you know, the knees over toes guy, the split squats like it was. It was, it was rough there for a little while because you know I was so uneven, but now I so in this, in this current cycle, I'm doing incline one-arm dumbbell presses and I'm hitting 15 20 reps and I'm both sides and like even that there's a bit of an imbalance because my left side struggles a little bit, I think everybody.
Speaker 2:You know, no one's gonna be perfectly symmetrical, there's no way.
Speaker 1:Wait, let me okay. So I'm gonna go back to what how I have my workout set up. So that first circuit I'm doing five movements, take a two and a half minute rest, run through it again and then I'll take about a two minute 45 second rest to get my next circuit set up. So this time my second circuit, it's only two movements but I'm doing four rounds, geez okay. So, like my Thursday workout, it's I, it's a sandbag suplex ladder, so I go All my different weighted sandbags, I'll work through that with the 200. Yeah, holy fuck, I will this, I will tomorrow. Okay, like so, because my first two weeks and my, my training are usually like to get acclimated. Like I'll probably go four weeks, take a D load and then I'll have two or three weeks before the competition. It's a month away, exactly a month.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'll. So I'll do two more week. I don't know, maybe I'll just train straight through, because usually I like to like, usually I like to do four weeks, and then I wouldn't go the Thursday off, though, obviously, right, no, no, no, no, that week I'll do, I won't probably train at all, I'll just do jitsu, like that's what I did last time. But man, I felt it the first day back to training. Man, I was like it's crazy how fast things went downhill. Yeah, I was sore shit. So, yeah, so that second circuit's a four, four rounds, and it's the same rest, bro. Actually I do less rest, I do two minutes because Because those the two movements usually only take me like two or three minutes. So I'll just, I'll rest for maybe two minutes and then the the third circuit again five movements, same protocol, boom, hit them. Two and a half minute rest and then I'm done. I'm usually done within an hour and a half hour, 45, like. But that's not like a stand-around talking to your friends playing on your phone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's like I. I went for it. Like I wake up, I set everything up.
Speaker 1:So you know because that's the downside to circuit training, especially for people that train in a gym Is like a shitty gym, like planet fitness. They don't even let you circuit train. You can't bounce through, you're not even allowed. Yeah, like literally, it's in their rules. You cannot circuit train. It's misleading to like people like, let's say, you're using four different objects in the gym.
Speaker 2:And you got a full gym. You know, if you leave that for long enough, someone's gonna be like, okay, I guess I can use this, you know, and that I can see where they're coming from. You know, if you're occupying like four different stages, like that's for smaller gyms, that's a big fucking portion of things. Man, I don't give a fuck what MSNBC says. I'm glad I don't go to a gym anymore.
Speaker 1:I love training at home. Man, I can't fucking get into it. I have such trouble, I have such drive-thru training.
Speaker 2:I struggle, I can run at home. Yeah, I can do little stuff. But man, dude, like I love it, my homework out there, dog shit, god, I love it. Well, he's just do you have, maybe just need the right equipment.
Speaker 1:I know I have like dumbbells.
Speaker 2:And a couple resistance pants. That's all I got. I've invested a lot in mine, yeah, but it's taken years.
Speaker 1:also like I haven't trained in a gym. Let's see the last time I actually worked out in a gym would have been, uh 20. Let's see, probably Thanksgiving of 2019. I actually worked out in a gym. Is it hungry or is it 19? 75?
Speaker 2:Well, and even, and then, before that it was.
Speaker 1:Probably a decade, yeah, like because I was living out in the country, dude, and so I just had all my shit with me. I'm so used to like I used to drive 35 minutes to go to the gym from where.
Speaker 2:I live before Jeff and Howard. Did you do too? Yeah, I know, I love it. You're fucking crazy dude. Oh, dude, it's worth it. You have a lot of time.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't even matter, because. The closest any jiu-jitsu school is in the world. The closest any jiu-jitsu school is is an hour fucking way. There's one, a popular bluff now, but it's like, uh, it's a traditional Gracie, gracie Baja or Gracie, what one is it? No other Gracie like, not the Gracie Baja, whatever the other.
Speaker 2:I should like the like, the newer one, like in Jonesboro, like it, like I think that's technically a Cerberus Federation, no, morgan family. Hmm, have you seen that one? That's very new? No, I've seen stuff posted about it.
Speaker 1:But this one in pop of bluff is a Gracie affiliate, ib JJ F affiliate. So it's like very traditional, very uh, fuck some shit up, just go right. You know you have to wear a white gi. It's one of those schools where it's like you have, you know, and they don't really do a lot of no gi work. So, yeah, I, um, I feel like it'd be a case where like, uh, like Cooper was talking about he went to that that one gem and it was like they're like dude, you're, you're, what are you doing? You're savage, like you're going too hard. Man and Cooper's like this is how we do it all the time. Man, like that guy coming in, like I thought we'd be light sparring, like bro, we are light sparring. Like uh, oh, this is light sparring dude.
Speaker 2:Like uh, if this is like how many sports can you go 100% almost and keep your partner safe, like, why not utilize that intensity? Yeah, yeah, I have days where I'm like you know what? I'm just gonna match energy to anyone I go with, I'm just gonna. I have to put myself on cruise control some days. Man, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually know it's funny Um, I've had, when I've I tell I had I talked to Tommy about this when I first started jujitsu Um, I was carefree, so like I would go in and just roll with anybody. Where, like it's weird, it's like the more I've learned, the more I realized that I have to like I have to be kind of selective with who I roll with, because I can't always Smack like I can't always go all out, like I just can't, if I want to sustain this for a long time. It's like, yeah, I'd love to be able to always like go against all the biggest guys and the you know. But it's like, hey, there comes a point where it's just becomes detrimental, where it's like I'm not learning Anything, I'm just you, just like. I'm just not, I'm just surviving or something you know. And again, I'm in good shape, I'm strong.
Speaker 2:But it's like that doesn't matter because there's still the wear and tear you like when you roll with lower belt, like is if you're not just trying to just crush them and submit them Whenever. Like you can learn, you can work a lot of your technique and they can learn a lot from you. Like it's very, it's beneficial.
Speaker 1:Like and I love, I love hard rolling, I love hutch barring. It's just I've gotten more mindful of like who I roll with now, because there's days I go in there I'm just like, I just want to, I just I want to work on certain things like I don't want to just Fucking go crazy back. Yeah, it always works that way and and it's universal Because it's almost like a joke where you're like, all right, dude, um, this is gonna be a light roll. Yeah, we'll fucking see about.
Speaker 2:That wasn't a lighter all but 30 seconds in like seconds in you like all right, well, I'll fuck it.
Speaker 1:I guess we'll see you fuck. Huh, yeah, we'll just keep going. Um yeah, so I don't know. My my style of training definitely Changed for jiu-jitsu and, like these circuits have been very, very helpful, not just for jiu-jitsu but I think for my overall health. Right, this circuit style training has been really good for my heart.
Speaker 2:You know a lot of people don't talk about that like you. A lot of people with the resting with like really high blood pressure, that's a big hypertension?
Speaker 2:Yes, a lot of people even attack a cardiac. Their heart rate Saves over a hundred, like, even like in normal times. And, guys, if you systematically push your heart and workouts and you Intentionally elevated it via exercise whenever you are resting, over time it will be lower, like we're some of the best athletes in the world do. They are considered brady cardiac, which is less than 60, what we'll go ahead, 48. That's fucking nuts. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because you push yourself, yep, your heart is not working as hard. Guys. Hearts Literally wear out. What do you guys think congestive heart failure is like? It's literally. If you are constantly fucking beating heart, even at resting, because you don't take care of yourself, like it's gonna wear out faster. It's not gonna work as good Like. This is a muscle man, exactly.
Speaker 1:This is exactly muscle, that's perfect like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay. So it's funny you say that come, glad we. I'm glad you hit on that because, um, there's people who work physical jobs. Yes, and A lot of times they're they're like they will talk shit about people that work out like, oh well, I fucking, I work construction and I'm like I'm carrying this and this and it's like oh yeah, is your heart rate getting over 70% of your max? No, it's not. So guess what? You're still gonna have the same fucking problems. I don't give a fuck how physical your job is, your heart rate is still, it's not reach might go up for 30 fucking seconds, If not even yeah like, not even, dude, you still need.
Speaker 1:If I had that mindset, all right, I would have been in fucking Afghanistan, I would have went on patrols and I'll be like I went on a patrol, I was a patrol for 14 hours and I got into a firefight and, uh, that's all I need to do. Nope, I went back to the patrol base, did my after-action and I got my fucking ass in the gym and I got my heart rate up. Jesus Christ, yeah, well, that's just the way it is. Like no matter what I had going on in life, I worked for scots lawn service when, right before I joined the military.
Speaker 1:Now, people don't know, working for scots lawn service sucks, it's lawn fertilization. So every morning I'd have to load my, my van up with like 60 bags of 50 pound bags of fertilizer like 60 of them, holy shit and then liquid for and like all day I'm hoisting these 50 pound bags of fertilizer and putting them in a hopper and and and you know, doing this on people's lawns. But I still, at the end of the day, went to the fucking gym and trained because, no matter what, my heart rate wasn't getting elevated. Let me sure I was lifting heavy stuff that's going to help with, maybe your static strength like Gabe is a great example. Yes, bro, he's a farmer and grappling with him is like grappling with steel, yep, but he's in good shape because he also trains in the gym, like after jiu-jitsu. He's like a fucking Only guy.
Speaker 2:He's the only guy.
Speaker 1:I know who actually will lift after jiu-jitsu what you do too, I guess, sometimes on Tuesdays. Yeah, yeah, like, and like he's over there just doing, like he's trying to get like 100 pull-up, like so strong I fucking love gay, but yeah, and so he never makes that excuse of like, oh, I'm a farmer, so I don't have to do extra. No, he's like I want to do, I need to do extra work because, like, yeah, he's doing hard stuff for farming, but again, it's not getting that heart rate elevated right, which is that's the key. I don't give a fuck. If you work a physical job, that's cool, but chances are your heart rate's probably not getting to that threshold where you're going to receive any kind of benefit. And have you noticed, like construction workers, a lot of them are fucking fat. Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2:This is almost like too much for me not to share. So my dad has wrote he's worked Road construction most of his life and he also farms. Okay, and I remember when I started getting into weights because my, my old basketball coach, jeremy kud fucking Great guy, yeah, this guy, he really got me in the weight training I and I remember when I first started I was wanting to go to the gym all the time, you know, and take the car and be like my dad. I want to go lift, you know. And dude, this guy fucking roasted me for this shit like he.
Speaker 2:He really did. He was like you know, why don't you go split some wood? That'd be just as good. You know why don't you go do this? And you know, over time, like I started off pretty scrawny my junior, senior year, I started putting on muscle and then, maybe like a couple, maybe two, three years after I started lifting man, my numbers started going up, my body started changing even more. I started putting on mass. Finally, not too long before cove it, I did a deadlift competition for, uh, st Jude's they had like a benefit wanted artens on muscle.
Speaker 2:Nice and dude, I go and he comes to watch me, him, mom, and Uh, they, they all come and they watch me do this shit. And I remember me, my buddy asked and we, we'd both signed up, we were both hyped up, for I'd trained for this shit for a long time and it was just straight bar deadlift. You could do straps, you could do rolling, so there wasn't like a whole lot. You know, like the outlawed, you know I had a belt on and uh, I, we worked up from. We, I started like four or five. I went to like maybe like four something, and then I did 500, I went to 500 once before, so I did five me, my buddy, actually both hit 500 and then the next set you know we had.
Speaker 2:You had four sets that you could try to do. You know one rep and they're like dude, like go for more like that. 500 looked fucking pretty easy. So they put on 525 and I fucking deadlift 525 and like pretty much like nice class like, and that was like impressive. That was my peak, peak strength probably, and I remember my dad after that totally looked at it. Different things like I. That shit works Like I don't think I can fucking do that. Like yes, he's mentioned a sense and I'm like I'm like dude. I told you like this makes a difference, like dude, splitting wood is good for you like it is physical labor.
Speaker 2:It's good, absolutely yes, but weight training is a different beast. Like it's not the same, it's not.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not enough like and like. There's so many people will just like oh, I'm cutting wood and it's like Well, I do too. Yes, and you know what I also work out. Yeah, and guess what? I'm in better shape than you are. Like, that's a fact, because I'm getting my heart rate elevated when I'm splitting wood. My heart rate's not that's not elevated.
Speaker 2:I can make. If you're fucking shitty at it, you're having to swing over and over right, you get a bunch of knots like right, but I've split wood so much that it's just, it's automatic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. It's like when your body becomes efficient at something, it doesn't work as hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've noticed that you did too. I'm not. I don't. Yeah, I don't cut as much weight with it anymore.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've noticed any kind of plateau like that. Would you do I? Well, maybe I have, because I felt like in the beginning there I saw a lot more changes in my body and like maybe now they're just, you know, maybe I'm just not seeing them, but I think other people see the change, like other people see the changes in you before we ever will. But yeah, you, just, you totally change. But that's just. I wanted to. I wanted to like bring that up because I think a lot of people out there they get this weird Misconception that because they have a physical job, that they're somehow benefiting from it and it's like when you're not, you are but you're not in the way you think you are.
Speaker 2:Yes, you.
Speaker 1:You're definitely benefiting because you're burning calories, but a lot of those same people are also drinking beer, shitty food, yeah, and then they go home and they don't do anything Right and they smoke.
Speaker 2:I worked all damn day. Woman, I don't want to do the dish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're like. I know plenty of people who work physical jobs and they train at the gym and you know what? Those people are fucking in incredible shape. Yep, because not only are they getting the benefit of that physical Job that they work, they're they're they're getting the benefit of getting their heart rate elevated and working on specific things for their body, not just Like.
Speaker 1:I connected with this guy in Instagram a while back and he's a he's an iron worker and so he's putting up trust, like he's putting up steel and fucking welding eye beams and shit, and you know what fucking works out every day, I guarantee, trains, his huge. Well, he was in his 50s and he was lean and an incredible shape. Jiu-jitsu guy does kettlebells. He's um, I want to say he lived down in Miami, because he's down on the beach, like to have a big beach set up, dude, that's so cool. He's just dude. He was always working and and I like I appreciated what he always said about it because, like he had, he was saying the same thing. He's like, yeah, I work a physical job, but I also train because there's that benefit. You know, you got to get that specific target heart rate or you. You know you're not, you're not and and you just yeah. Again, going back to what we said earlier, it's a fucking lifestyle. Look, if anybody made it this far in the podcast like, follow it or in.
Speaker 1:It's all right, like it happens, that's okay. Um, the biggest thing when it comes to health, when it comes to not just like physical but mental health, is it's a lifestyle choice. You choose to live this lifestyle or you choose not to, and I've been criticized for oversimplifying things, but I think that's a pretty simple choice, right? Of course, most people don't make that choice because, um, you know, we talk about genetics, right? Mm-hmm, so, genetically on my family, um, and I don't know if this can be genetic, maybe it's just a trauma thing, but, like, alcohol and addiction are a big thing in my family on both sides.
Speaker 1:Um, obesity, not so much, but just bad, those addictive kind of behaviors are our problems. Like alcohol, was you know it killed? Like my grandpa and my great grandpa, my cirrhosis or what? Yeah, yeah and um, so I don't drink. I chose, that was a choice. Now, I was going down a dark path, especially after I got back from Afghanistan. I went to rehab, but, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't drink, like so and doesn't benefit I mean I enjoy I enjoyed.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed a drink on like.
Speaker 1:Then be once, maybe twice a week like I don't do that anymore, because here's the thing, and that's when I hear people like who are overweight, they're like it's genetic, my family it's like well.
Speaker 2:Obesee doesn't run. In your family no one runs.
Speaker 1:No like, because I could use that same expect and be an alcoholic because it's genetic, but like, no, no, no, it's a fucking choice, man. Yeah, I chose not to drink. I chose not to. I Mean, it's that simple. I don't like and so, yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1:I've been accused of over-simplifying things, but I think people overcomplicate things. There's no to give themselves excuses for you. I said that it's funny. That's exact that. That's exactly why I think people overcomplicate things, because every time someone overcomplicates something, they get more excuses. It gives them more excuses. It gives them more outs. It gives them more room to negotiate their way out of doing this shit they fucking need to be doing.
Speaker 1:And If there's one thing a person should be doing right now in their life, it's taking care of their bodies. Taking care of their bodies, their heart, their mind, because, yeah, granted, there's gonna be exceptions. There's people that train and they're still shitty. People that, yeah, whatever that happens. And there's people that don't train, who live to be a hundred, you know. There's people, oh, dude, you know, have shitty diets and they smoke and they drink and they like live to be a hundred years old. They fucking happen, yeah, and those are what we call exceptions to the rule. It doesn't mean that you can do it, and that's the weird excuse people make for like smoking, oh my great-grandma. Oh, it's always someone else. Like oh well, my, my granddad lived to be a hundred, and it's like and they smoke crystal meth every day.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe, yeah, at least in San Francisco or LA, maybe, fuck, yeah, dude, some fucking Grandpa living on the street. I smoke crack every day. I'm a hundred a.
Speaker 2:Crack rock a day keeps doctor.
Speaker 1:Oh, holy shit, probably not. But so, yeah, man. So health and fitness, I think, are the cornerstone of it's, like the base of everything. And again, okay, you don't have to work out, you don't have to take care of yourself, but I think you're missing out. You know, I think people that choose to I Neglect their health, I mean, look, that's on them, that's yeah, that's fine. But here's the thing, man, that's just gonna come back and bite you in the ass.
Speaker 1:Like I said when I was younger, people would criticize me because I was Well, they thought I was obsessive about my health and fitness. And look at me, I'm 41 now and a lot of those same people. They're not very good, they're not good, they're not in good shape, right like they're struggling. And I'm 41 and I Feel like I can, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep going, I'm not gonna stop because you're here smoking some young ins, man. Yeah, because, and I think that's the value of taking care of yourself, and there's never too late to start. That's why I tell people like, that's why my mom 65 and she's finally Seems to have found that balance with Living that healthy lifestyle right, making the right choices, because she decided to make it about her lifestyle right instead of just. I'm gonna get on this diet and lose a bunch of weight and hopefully it stays off, and that's almost a sure.
Speaker 2:Fireway to fail, you know and that brings me back there's you mentioned that a couple times now that I've been want to touch on this people who follow these Extremely stringent Like, if you don't give yourself any sort of of break, like you don't like okay. Okay, let's say you like rebies, right, rebies obviously are not the most lean steak, but they're fatty. Okay, let's say you eat chicken and rice For like two meals out of the day, every fucking day. Dude, if you do that to yourself for a month, you're gonna hate your fucking life. If you don't ever give yourself a ribeye or just something, any sort of shit. I'm not saying cheat meal all the fucking time, but let's say, like an ice cream cone, for fuck's sake. Yeah, if you don't give yourself any sort of break, have any flexibility you will quit your diet, yeah, and you will go right back to eating dog shit all the time. I keep have to have some sort of allowance, like. I think that makes it so hard to follow when you're that stringent on everything.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like a lot of these diets aren't even meant to be. They're not, they're not sustainable, right? They're like. They're like they might be good in the short term, yeah, but see, nobody thinks about that. Like people are, so they, they want that instant gratification of being, like I lost weight and they don't plant. That's why it's you got to make it a lifestyle choice, right? But I agree with you hundred percent. It's it's these extreme diets like when they deprive themselves and of course they're gonna fail, like of course you're gonna fail.
Speaker 1:No one can keep up with that not, that's nobody can. Even elite athletes will probably Um cycle there the way they eat as well. Right, and actually a lot of athletes probably eat.
Speaker 2:Like poorly. You know well you talk about my loose match earlier. Yes, and you know you've talked about how this guy literally eats like a fuck ton of pasta and pizza and pasta One meal at the end of the day like that's crazy. Yes, but also how many hours a day is he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's training. He probably trains 12 or 13 hours a day.
Speaker 2:I think someone said that yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like again there's I Mean people won't do this, but the only way anyone's gonna ever nail down like the perfect diet is they got to experiment, they got to try it. Like you got to try different things. Like I've been for as long as I've been training like I, I've never been afraid to try different things, try new things. Like you know different approaches to working out, different styles of training and and that's the other thing, a lot of people just get locked into Training a certain way and because they become comfortable with it and they become used to it. So it's the easy way. Yeah, so even in like fitness and health, there's there people can get complacent with, with their health of fitness, like, and then you see a lot of people they go to the gym and they are walking on the treadmill and that's all they do and they're real low intensity and they're wondering why they're not losing weight and it's like well, that's because you're going to the gym and You're walking on the treadmill for 30 minutes but your heart rate never elevates. Yeah, I mean fucking 90, but tops, yeah. So it's like, of course, your body, you're not. You have to force your body to adapt, you have to make it. In the only way you're gonna make your body adapt, the only way you're gonna make your body get stronger, the only way you're gonna make your cardiovascular system better is by making it, by forcing it, and the only way you can force it is by Leaving your threshold of comfort. So you're, that's so hard for people, I know, but that's what you have to do.
Speaker 1:Yep, and you know, it's crazy that people don't want to sweat, like that's the thing I bet you would. You just, I don't want to get buddy at the gym, right, I'm like Like people, it's funny because I actually feel kind of back, dude, I sweat so much. But I heard so today I heard jockeau and Dean Lister talking about it's actually called Chinese water torture, like in jiu-jitsu, where that's the thing you just you get mounted something, just trip sweat on their face on purpose. You just buddy rash guard, just smear it. Well, so they happen to be in my last match in In my competition, I got on top of the guy and, dude, my sweat was dripping on his face. I was like, yeah, motherfucker, take that shit in his eyes. I'm like that's a great strategy. Holy shit, I'm gonna, just I'm gonna fucking you know what.
Speaker 2:HIV. Somebody up, that's fucked up man.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get mount on someone, I'm just gonna sweat in their face.
Speaker 2:How bad do you want to win the long game? Yeah, you know I'm saying like give them HIV, You're you may lose the match. You're gonna fuck them up.
Speaker 1:Might be illegal, thinking you're a jail for that. But yeah, I learned. I actually learned that like like sweating people's faces, like actually a tactic.
Speaker 2:Just cross man, just crushing me a master nose bone in your fucking sternum. I'm all about that, dude, and you know I. One more thing I really do want to mention, because I think a lot of people we talked about diets, we talked about, like, maybe, some do's and don'ts, and a lot of people are still like, okay, well, what the fuck do I do? And one of my favorite fitness authors is probably Michael Matthews. I fucking love his books and he breaks it down really simple. And you talked about oversimplifying shit and this is literally it. Okay, so everyone Burns a certain amount of calories per day. And this is, this is science. Okay, this isn't like fucking hocus pocus, shit. Right, so everyone burns a certain amount of calories a day. Even if they were a vegetable who couldn't move, they would burn a basic metabolic.
Speaker 1:Sure, like a brain. Yes, you're brain like 20%, exactly.
Speaker 2:So, like, literally, if you didn't move all day, you would burn x amount of calories and a whole bunch of different factors going to this. We're talking like age, weight, gender, everything plays a fact in this. Okay, it's not completely, completely accurate, but it's close at the ballpark, okay. And then if you take into account, let's say, how much you do a day, like if Matt and I, if we train that day, we're gonna burn Probably a lot more calories today because we're doing a lot of movement, you know. Or if you sit on the couch all day, you're not gonna burn that much more.
Speaker 2:Literally, weight loss is Eating less calories than you burn. That is pretty much along. In short of it, like, you can sit here and over, complicate it with a bunch of fucking fad diets and a bunch of other shit, but, like guys, if you're eating 3000 calories a day and you only burn 2500, you're gonna gain weight. Mm-hmm. If you flip those, you're gonna, slowly but surely, you're gonna lose weight. And if you continue to have a good diet and Consistently come in underneath that calorie threshold, you are going to lose weight. Like it's Literally that simple. Like I know it's in that counting calories is not easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, and like how much energy you burn a day, that's not gonna be accurate. Like a treadmill is not gonna be completely accurate Telling you how many calories you burned on your run there's no fucking way for it to completely calculate that right. But if you undershoot that, you will lose weight. And, like I, for those out there who are looking for some fitness advice, obviously your style of working out has to fit you. Yes, I had to find a diet that fits you. Yes, but if you want to lose weight like you're gonna have to do that like you're gonna, and it's hard. My movesimetry might do it, but it's hard to outwork a bad diet. Yeah, like you, you can eat shit, sure, and you might go and run three miles, but yeah, running three miles is not the same like that one part as many calories as a fucking big mac meal, dude.
Speaker 1:Well, especially as you get older, it becomes even more imperative that you watch what you eat. Let's like, let's end this with sure, some things. Let's uh, let's go over things people can do. Like so, because a lot of times you'll get people like I've got this going on. I've got this going on. So, one of the first things, if someone wants to start taking better care themselves, right you, it's got to be about time management, right? Oh, I don't have enough time and that's everybody. Shit, that's bullshit. Because, again, it starts with a choice. You got it. You got to decide that this is what you want to do. You got to decide that you want to be healthy, got to decide that you want to be strong, and these are decisions you have to make. So that's the first step, and you don't have to jump into a crazy workout program. You don't have to jump out to a crazy diet.
Speaker 2:If you go into that deep and fast, you're probably gonna fuck. Yes, I'm gonna fail.
Speaker 1:You're gonna fail because and that's what a lot of people do they're like they'll find some workout program. I'm fucking you to where social media like I'm gonna do this, and they do it once and like fuck that. Yeah, they can't. They can really walk the next. Yeah, and it's like I tell people To keep it simple. Okay, all right. So if you have never been active, start by walking. Okay, daily walks, did it's legit man? Yes, daily walks.
Speaker 2:Okay, nature actually boost your mental health, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You get outside, you get some sun, you get in that vitamin D and then, once you start, maybe you're getting a little more active that way. Body weight movements I cannot stress how important it is to do push-ups, body weight squats. If you can't do push-ups, doing from your knees, doing from your knees, absolutely Pull ups. You know, if you can't do pull ups, there's there's machines, they know there's a system machines.
Speaker 2:You can use bands and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Because before, like and no one does this but honestly, before even start weight training, you should, you should have a very firm grasp with how your body moves with its own weight. Right, and it's crazy how many strong people can barely do pull-ups or handstand push-ups or anything like body weight-wise. Like it's crazy because most people just dive into like I'm gonna start weight training and yet they don't even know what they can do with their own body, mm-hmm. So I would say, keep it very simple in the beginning. Right planning is gonna be key. Meal planning, like taking one day out of the week and using that day to Like see what you have. You know a lot of people will use Sunday, right, because traditionally Sundays like the day before the work week. Yeah, so a lot of people will take that Sunday. They'll prep their meals, they'll look at their work schedule, like okay, up, this Monday is gonna be really busy, but I've got 40 minutes when I can.
Speaker 2:I can go to the park and walk and do some push-ups and you might have to cut off some Netflix time, guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah and then that isn't that fucking crazy that people will bulk it. Having to cut into their sedentary fucking mind-numbing bullshit programming because they Rather than take care of their health like that blows my mind I mean dude, you can.
Speaker 2:You. If you guys play your cards right, you can do a little bit of both. Yes, you don't have to sacrifice entertainment. And how about this?
Speaker 1:you can get your treadmill and set it in front of your fucking TV. Absolutely there's no reason why you can't do all this stuff. There's I know plenty of people that have like an exercise bike in their living room and they'll get on that and they get a great workout and they're watching something. You know they're still there, they're still present and it's like again, it's people over complicated. Because they see, because I think people in the fitness industry over a complicate things intentionally, intentionally, because Bullshit programs, their workout programs, which lists most people.
Speaker 1:Most workout programs. They're just rehashes of someone else's workout program. Just remember that if you're buying a workout program from someone, they definitely got it from someone else and they're not gonna do it for you. Yeah, you have to do yourself. Yeah, so keep it simple, right. Plan. Plan your week out so you can fit in Whatever training you want to do. You want to. You know, make those good choices with your food and Duration.
Speaker 2:Fucking drink water. Don't drink empty fucking carb drinks guys. No, no, some people do. This guy I mean dude, I know so does good. Sweet tea is good. It's all delicious, sure, but think about how many calories that's taking up. If you are putting yourself on a 2000 calorie diet, you drink a coke it's 230 calories you just killed. Do the math for me an eighth yeah of your calorie intake. You're not you're not even a cop, you're still fucking hungry, do one can of coke, it's like 60 grams of sugar.
Speaker 1:That's fucking awful. Okay, and so, finally, the truth is coming out about sugar and like sugar is actually the biggest cause of Like vascular diseases and and obesity. It's not fat, it's sugar, it's too much sugar, and so that's. Another great Place to start is limiting the amount of sugar you take in. Yeah, and it's crazy at how many people will struggle with that, cuz sugar is a fucking drug. It's a drug. Yeah, it's addictive. There's a reason why there's fat people everywhere because they can't stop eating food. Mm-hmm, and I will. It's funny that now people are saying obesity is like genetic.
Speaker 1:When you could look in the 1960s and like, how many obese people were there? Holy shit, they weren't a lot. They were a lot. Look back in the 1940s how many were there? How many were there during the Great Depression? Obviously, probably none. Yeah, man, they didn't have access to the food. So keep it simple Take a day, you know, spent like you know. Take a day and use that to prep your meals, get your workouts in order. If you need to hire a trainer man, like if you have absolutely no idea how to navigate a gym, like, it's not a bad idea to maybe get a personal trainer for maybe find a yeah, find a friend.
Speaker 2:It's not an idiot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely a friend. You trust you trains man. Be like hey, um, can I come with you? Or, you know, explain to me what's going on and and and I bet you any money. That friend would be so happy. Me good friend would do that. Yes, they'd be so happy that you're finally taking care of yourself. Absolutely, man. So, yeah, like, look for a trainer or a good friend, maybe to show you two ropes. There's man. Look, there's so much information out there right now and that's good and it's also bad.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna keep repeating my message of keeping it simple. Um, start with, if you've never, ever done anything in your life, start by just getting up and moving. You know, walking, doing some body weight stuff in your house, and then start chaining on other things that you can add on to that. You know, keep your I don't keep your diet simple. I mean, and like and like here said it's when it comes to calories, like calories and calories out. You know, if you're consuming 3000 calories and you're only burning 2500, you're you're gonna gain weight. But if you're eating 2500 calories right, and let's say I Don't know you burn like 700 in a workout and you're keeping that same caloric intake, you're gonna lose weight. Yep, I mean, that's just. That's the nature of the beast, fucking math. They're simple. Guess what? You can even eat a little bit of ice cream here and there.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, a little bit pizza every night, like like my mom, she's intermittent fasting and so every now and then she'll have one of those drumsticks, those chocolate, oh yeah, yeah, those things. And she's like, and she's still losing weight. Yeah, and she's not. She's not starving herself, she's just she eats good through the day and she just knows, at eight o'clock she's not, that's it. She can't have anything. So she'll have, like, her drumstick, and then that's it. Yeah, and then they'll get up the next day, they go for their walk and I think she's lost like Like 20 something pounds, good for you know, and it's gonna keep coming off.
Speaker 1:And and, like I said, she she used to take one of those those like weight loss Injectable things and she's still getting the weight back because she stopped using it. Yeah, and that, listen people, if you get on Osempic, you're gonna have to be on that your whole life. But that's not something you just stop, because if you're not gonna change your fucking lifestyle, guess what you're gonna gain that weight back the many you stop taking that drug. I don't think Anyone should be taking a weight loss drug that you need. It needs to be a holistic approach like at. If there's anything you take away from this podcast, it's got to be lifestyle choice taking of our.
Speaker 2:I mean yes, please better, I plan it like honestly all the crazy shit We've.
Speaker 1:We've said this whole podcast at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:It's a choice. Yep, and and guys I this may sound crazy to some, but for those of you who are struggling with mental health, which I know you've covered a lot in your part yeah, that's like literally a. A good workout Can have the same anti-depressant effect as a fucking SSR. Absolutely like guys Will make you feel better about yourself. It'll make you feel better about your life, like it will make pretty much everything better if you consistently exercise. And I fucking mean that. I've been in a dark place and exercise has helped me kind of crawl out of that. So, guys, fucking get out there and just do it. I know it's hard and you know you get home from work you don't want to fucking get off the couch and go do something, but I'm telling you your life will be better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. And for me, like as I get older, I'm finally in a spot now where I can say I've lived my entire life almost of health and fitness and it's really paid off. I mean, sure I'm sore? Yeah, of course sometimes I hurt, but At the end of the day, like I'm still super active, I'm still able to, I'm still very, very functional. And I'm not saying I'm old, I mean 40. I hate thinking like a 41 is not old, but there was.
Speaker 2:There was a time.
Speaker 1:Where 40s was considered old, you know, like where, like the 40 now is different, you know, because science is advanced and nutrition is advanced and Our knowledge of working out and how it affects the body has advanced. So I think, like starting with my generation, I think we're gonna see an older population that's still gonna struggle with a lot of the same problems, but you're also gonna have this segment of old people who are just old people, who are just old people, who are just old people, who are just gonna be in awesome shape. Because I think more people now, even though obesity is a huge problem, I still think more people are working out now than ever before. More access to gyms, man, more, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I think that's a huge, that's a huge thing.
Speaker 1:So, look, take care of yourself. Okay, you have kids, man, like, if that's not a good enough reason to want to be in good shape, and I don't know what else, I don't know what I can tell you, I don't know how anyone could convince you otherwise. But Look, man, life's better when you're in good shape. You can do more, you can, you can achieve more, you can enjoy life more. Yes, you know.
Speaker 2:You got anything else, man? I mean no, dude, if the shit hits the fan, you want to be able to you know, be able to get out. These people have these fucking bug out bags packed and all this ammo and food ready to go, and if they tried to haul that fucking ruck more than Hard attack they would stroke out.
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Speaker 2:Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1:Yes, Appreciate you. That's awesome. We will see you all next time.
