The HeathenMachine Chronicles
The HeathenMachine Chronicles
Episode 34-Survival of the Fittest: Tactics for a Zombie Apocalypse
Prepare for an eerie, yet entertaining journey as we dissect the concept of surviving a zombie apocalypse. We've all watched those zombie movies and wondered, "How would I survive if this happened in real life?" Well, we're about to dig into those gritty realities and ponder over the best strategies to come out alive. From the significance of being armed to the wisdom needed in navigating a zombie-infested city, we're evaluating every survival tactic you can think of. We'll talk about the practicalities of survival, the use of suppressors and other weapons, and the impact of zombies that have evolved to manipulate doorknobs. Expect a lively discussion on the tactics of surviving a zombie apocalypse, from the importance of being in shape and using stealth, to the advantages of choosing a location like a forest or mountain. Whether you're a zombie enthusiast or just a fan of fascinating discussions, this episode will leave you captivated. Come join the circle!
What's going on? Welcome to another podcast. So initially we're supposed to have some video along with our last two podcasts, but we're dealing with some technical difficulties and we will have some videos soon. But until then, dive into this podcast conversation as we talk about surviving the zombie apocalypse. Do you have what it takes? Find out, key the machine out.
Speaker 2:Oh, all right, we're fucking live. We're fucking live, kiers. Well sweet. Should we explain last week at all or not Go for it, okay? So yeah, we last week was supposed to be our first episode with video accompanied by it and due to some technical difficulties aka we were not smart enough to plug in the camera- beforehand and overestimated the battery life. Yeah, man, yeah, we kind of fucked it up pretty hard, so this will be, hopefully, our first episode was video, so you guys can see our sexy mugs. Yeah, you're on the screen.
Speaker 1:Eventually we'll, we'll get guests and have some guests on here. That'd be pretty dynamic, absolutely. Yeah, because you guys don't see it, but I still a little bit cluttery in this spot and then, once we get that all squared away, you know we should have a pretty legit setup and all that happy, professional, professional quality, because only the best. But, let's be honest, because I think you see so many podcasts now and I think that a lot of ones that are actually doing good, like I noticed a lot of them they just don't put a ton of effort. Yeah, and like, which is maybe that's the thing now. Like maybe people kind of want more of a raw experience.
Speaker 1:Now, like, I was just reading an article about how I think people are kind of starting to get sick of social media, you know, because, like, when you get onto Instagram, it's almost you, it's. It's mostly like ads, targeted ads, stuff that is made by, like influencers and there's almost nothing personal about it anymore. So they're saying that group, group, like group messaging and like private groups and hangouts are becoming the thing, because then that way you can just directly interact with the people you actually want to. Yeah, you don't have to look at all the bullshit.
Speaker 2:There's so much bullshit. I do like the personalized feed so because I just get a mixture of like really fucked up memes like fatal car crashes, like just get all kinds of like solid shit that pops up a month and those are like you know let's see what kind of car crash it got today. It's like a fucking live leaks feed man. It's fucking wild.
Speaker 1:But you know it's crazy about. Instagram is like the most. If you accidentally click on something, it's like okay, good luck, because now your feed's going to be like no sure, the algorithm is like oh, this guy must like when fucking puppies get attacked by you know what I mean Like suddenly my feed is just dominated by animals killing everything. Like, yeah, what the fuck. And then like people doing the dumbest shit and there's basically porn on Instagram. I'm like, yeah, what the?
Speaker 2:fuck, there's a lot of advertisements for I guess I guess like and now are you seeing this?
Speaker 1:like these AI images are trying to pass off as like real people. I don't know, man, it's not real and people are still interacting with them as if they're like real or something you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man AI. I mean I don't want to get into that because we still have a whole subject matter. Oh shit, it's kind of the audio replication of you, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I was just watching. I was watching a little short today of Biden and Trump having like a conversation. Yeah, I think it's fucking hilarious and they were like just making dumb jokes. But it was hilarious. Shut the fuck up. No, the one of them what. Trump tells him a joke. He's like why did the? Why did the Mexican push his wife off the bridge? He's like I don't know. He's like tequila, you know what I mean. Like Joe Biden's, like that's racist. But it's also kind of like yeah, yeah, but it sounds weird because he's not mum, like he's fucking cool here. And who's that old fuck, that old fuck Republican who keeps? Who keeps like having a goddamn seizure? Hmm, I know who?
Speaker 2:I can think of his name he's freezing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's at South Carolina, right? Oh, I cannot remember his name. God damn it, man. No, mitch, mitch McConnell.
Speaker 2:That's all I was gonna say about it. What'd be wrong? Okay?
Speaker 1:Okay, Mitch McConnell, yeah, he had another episode where he was just like he just heard like to. These are the fucking people running our country. Man, that is terrifying.
Speaker 2:That's the motherfucker had to strap.
Speaker 1:Reboot man, you're like the windows down every, every politician that has, like nuclear codes and they're making these major decisions. They're like they're fucking, they're probably wearing diapers Right, they're forgetting shit. And you're like and dude, you're, you're running this. What now? Like get the fuck out of here, let's get some vitality back into, like I don't know this country. It's just old and decaying and it's like the politicians are literally representing what's happening with the country. It's like just rotting and just decrepit and you might as well we might as well get ready to get pumped with formaldehyde or something. Jesus man, I agree with you.
Speaker 2:I'm full. Hey man ain't no man, it's a good shit right there, right, yeah, yeah, I agree with. Obviously, you want to have wisdom, specifically associated with wisdom, and like having. I wouldn't want like a 30 year old running the country but at the same time like 80s is no, I don't want a 30 year old run in the country.
Speaker 1:I think, I think 50s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, you got wisdom 50 60, something like that, but I think once you'd be like, I think like 75, that's where you're like, all right, you can retire now. Yeah, I'm going to go away. Yeah, like, unless they're a total badass, they take care of themselves, because that's the other thing is like none of these politicians are healthy Like Robert Kennedy is like the only one who's fucking jacked. Have you seen him, robert Kennedy Jr? No, bro, is jacked Really. Yes, like, has muscle, has definition, has abs, like incline pressing, like impressive weight for his age, because I want to say he's in his late 60s, early 70s dudes. So that is the exception.
Speaker 2:It's like they should almost make him pass up a PT test or something Like bro, if you cannot walk five, can you imagine like like Biden Trump trying to do fucking like jumping jacks or mad and Trump?
Speaker 1:doing anything. Just like you ever seen golf. He's like a bag of like fucking sweat, Just. He's like pasty skin and he's all like lumpy and fucking. He's got like surrounded by baby fat, you know. Yeah, like he's like he never developed. Dude, I've got bunions, I've got what. Do you think why he has the funniest excuses to why he doesn't join the military? What was it like? He had like bones first. That's what was bones first, Dude bones first.
Speaker 2:I did see a really funny video. It was actually when he was golfing. It was a long time ago, but there was this. These guys, I guess, were there on the golf course with them. They were looking down, he was like carrying his clubs, or he was carrying a club and they seen him holding a beer at the time. Yeah, and they're like Mr Trump, is that a tall boy? He's like it's a. It's a meek little bullshit. It's like water.
Speaker 2:I didn't even think he drank. I mean look at his. I mean look at his gut man. I mean it's probably a little bit pretty sure he lies about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they all do.
Speaker 2:man who doesn't enjoy drinking while golfing?
Speaker 1:It does seem to be kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not much of a golfer, but I mean, every time any of my buddies tell me about golfing it's like, yeah, we were fucking loaded, I guess man, I don't, I don't golf, I'm not into it, but I also I'm not good at it because I've never want, like I don't give a fuck about getting out. Yeah, I would probably just go drive the car around and hang out. Yeah, that seems like it'd be pretty fun, but I'm like I kind of zero interest. I'll do some pop putting.
Speaker 1:I'll do some of that, but I'm cool and golf.
Speaker 2:You have to be absolutely just fucking like demolished to enjoy a sport. Is it worth playing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but then like look how angry these fucking people get when they're playing golf. It's like that doesn't seem relaxing at all, like I think you're all taking it a little too seriously. Oh my god, you've got that kind of aggression. Just go do Jitsu man.
Speaker 2:Get something out of it. You know, dude, like fucking that skit on Jackass, where they were like blowing the air horn on the golf court, she cracked me up. Jackass, classic, classic. Should we should? We say we should go in, okay.
Speaker 1:All right. So we wanted this episode to be fucking awesome, so fun. We asked ourselves this question how would we survive a zombie apocalypse? Right, like, what are you know? Like, do you have a bug out back? Do you have a game plan at all? Do you have a game plan? Right? And because not only will this be applicable to the zombie apocalypse, but, like I mean, some of the shit we're going to say is going to be goofy, obviously, but we're also going to have some little little nuggets of of, maybe some wisdom, yeah, applicable wisdom. So I don't know, like zombies, I think for me it's like one of the most fascinating things, right?
Speaker 2:Because it's so good.
Speaker 1:Well, it's terrifying. So the one of the first zombie movies I saw was Dawn of the Dead. So the original Dawn of the Dead, yeah, oh for so I was. No, no, no, no no. George Romero Dawn of the Dead, like oh yeah, so I was probably was a night of living dead, or was that?
Speaker 1:no, no, no, that's, that was the like very first one. Okay, go ahead. Night of the living dead was the black and white, and then they redid it in a color, dawn of the dead. It was Dawn of the dead and Day of the Dead, so Dawn of the Dead, the original one is also in a mall and it also follows a cop or a couple cops, but it's it's a little different, but okay.
Speaker 1:So I first saw Dawn of the Dead and, like, my parents went out. So I think I was home alone Because I was a, let me see, I would have been. Maybe, I don't know, I don't got it. I don't remember how old it was. I was not old, it's like 12 or 13 or 14. So, anyway, they go out and I start watching Dawn of the Dead.
Speaker 1:I make pizza rolls you know, oh shit, pizza rolls, bro. And like, within the first 10 minutes, dude, guys head gets blown off. Like people are getting, like I was terrified. I was like, what the fuck is this? And then I was fascinated with zombies ever since, like, and you know, I guess in my head I always wonder like, dude, what would, what would we do? What? What society do? Like fucking zombies were like, I mean, like, when you think about it, like fucking, we know, we just went through this whole pandemic, pandemic, whatever you know. And so you, you start thinking about like well, how did people act during this pandemic? And we handled a great, could you imagine? Well, I mean, okay, I actually like, do you think a lockdown? Because that they would do that in a zombie problem, that would try to establish martial law, so some sort of right, so like a lockdown, that'd be a problem, wouldn't it? I feel like that'd be a big problem because most people would probably stay, stay put, and I think that's mistake number one. Okay, right.
Speaker 2:So let's okay, let's, let's discuss, before we get this absolutely balls deep into the that, our game plans in the zombie apocalypse itself. Do it, let's lay down, let's lay on the parameters. Okay, so we got all of this pop culture. I mean, the past 20 years have just been littered with different kinds of zombie movies shows books comic books. So are we talking 28 days later? Sprinters, we talk and walking dead chambers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, because we were talking about this before for the pocket swear. Like 28 days later, you only really see the zombies a few times, right 20 and 28 days later. Like you see him in the church scene, yeah, they keep the mystery pretty. Yeah, like throughout the whole and then like towards the end, obviously they don't overrun that big mansion they're in. So and then you go to 28 weeks later where they really focus on the rage virus, you know, and fuck that. First of all, I would not want anything to do with a virus that did that to people. Jesus Christ, like for me, I think, the George Romero classic zombie that you know, you see throughout, like the night of living dead and even in like the first few seasons of the walking dead where they're decaying. Because I think a purist will say, like those 28 weeks later, or I am well, I am legend, obviously we're in zombies.
Speaker 2:They're vampires, right yeah, they're vampires. World wars these zombies were sprinters.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and they were. They could like climb shit.
Speaker 2:And so stack on each other's bodies like fucking yeah, like I think that's terrifying, yeah, that makes it way more terrifying, I think that would reduce our, our overall chances of survivability down to even slimmer margin, which there's actually been multiple universities who have like conducted studies and use actual, like epidemiology, like like stuff to literally calculate if we would survive, and most of the time it's not very high. I would believe that, yeah, and they introduce a lot of variables. So I'm going to say right now, if you are in a high population, densely urban, so like, yeah, area probably fucking dead, to be honest with you, this very it's funny, said I joke with my brother.
Speaker 1:He lives down around Tampa Bay. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, you better have some mad situational awareness because, like he, if, if he got caught in a place like Tampa during, so he'd be, yeah, he'd be, fucked, he, he would never leave. And like, look at where we're at now, like we are in the prime spot, we really are far away from city populations. You've got a lot of like kind of insufferable rednecks with guns. You know, oh my God, not a bad neighbor to have during the zombie apocalypse, because it could be bad with rating.
Speaker 1:So, like I think you're right, like, if you're in a city center, if you're in an urban area, if you're in the suburbs, like I, man, that's going to be a tough, tough go because, like, here's the thing you will, even if it's not a zombie apocalypse, it probably doesn't hurt to have a plan. Oh right, a plan of like, if there's a natural disaster, what are we going to do? We're going to bug out or, you know, have like some bug out bags and some extra fuel and you know things in that nature have escape routes and city plan and less congested roads.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like going back to the zombies. I think me personally, if, if I had my perfect scenario, okay, they would definitely be the fucking slow.
Speaker 1:Let's stick with the yeah, we'll stay with the walkers, yeah, like no, because when you think about the other kind, like the, the, maybe they wouldn't be zombies proper, but they kind of would be, because something's you know like the rage virus, right, they're being driven by some kind of virus that makes them violent. They can't make some stronger, they can't really feel anything. Right, you can also use conventional weapons to kill them. Right, you don't have to worry about a headshot, you?
Speaker 2:can just put that's because there's technically still a lot. So obviously, yes, yes, they're going to have a very so, like, I guess, when you're weighing.
Speaker 1:But the problem is right. When you look at our society I think I think our society they would obviously fucking fail at both. But think about how many people are out of shape and fat and just fucking soft. They would get annihilated by a zombie that could run. They fucking jump. Did you watch Black Summer on Netflix? I did not. It's a great zombie show, but those zombies are kind of fucking crazy, like not the ones I'd want to be around, like they can. Yeah, they're, but it's a really good zombie show. Right, that's another one. So if all of you want to get down on a good zombie show, black Summer on Netflix is really good. Okay, I think they did. I think they're on two seasons and I'm not sure if they're gonna do it again, but they're really good. But my personal preference man is the slow zombies like dawn of the dead, day of the dead, because so in those movies do the one people who are already dead, do they rise like?
Speaker 2:I mean is cemetery, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, the classics, the classics. No, no, they're, they're, they're already no. So those ones, those are, like all those other living dead shows, like they're reanimated, they're popping up from the grave. You know what I mean. I mean this is not that I think we keep it more grounded in reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, obviously a virus is not gonna reach something who's already long dead, like necrotic tissue, like there's no way, yeah, yeah like I never understood that, why they did that.
Speaker 1:Like George Romero had the right idea. He's like, look, it's an, it's like a virus. You get bit and you become infected, right, and you can then bite other people. Like that makes sense. Like that makes that's like plausible, it makes sense. You're like, okay, we're like all that other shit, like skeletons rising from the grave, and like, yeah, that's that's like all right, come on, man. Yeah, I mean, it's the voodoo shit, right, right. So, um, yeah, man, the George Romero, slow moving zombies.
Speaker 1:Okay, for me that's gonna be it, because it's gonna be. It's gonna be like you're gonna be playing this game of numbers, right, so, you know, I guess it'd be. It depend on where you're starting out, because if you're starting out in a city, man, like there's gonna be so many fucking factors you're gonna have to take in. First of all, you're probably not gonna be able to use a vehicle because it's gonna be congested, yeah, and so while you and so, while you're worried and you're you're hemmed in with this congestion, the virus is spreading. You know, like, so, like the zombie land, the zombie land zombies, right, they're like the George Romero zombies. Yeah, slow, you know, like, like that, but it's, it's gonna spread super fast, because when you think about people like, think about society now, how tolerant people are of just fucking homeless, crazy people that are borderline zombies already, and so imagine all of them just fucking coming at you and just biting you and shit. So I think if you're in a city, man like bicycles, bicycle, have bikes, okay, dude, bikes, like think about it.
Speaker 1:I think in a zombie apocalypse, you just you're not going to be able to rely on things that require systems. So fuel is going to be, especially for talking early power outage. Yeah, well, see, that's the interesting about power is, would, with the nuclear power plants automatically shut down? And I, I, I feel like I did research on this a while ago, okay, and I think what would happen is, I think a lot of these power plants, even the older ones, have fail safes to where, if they's no maintenance is done on them, they just kind of shut down. I think that's quite a while. So I don't think there would be any kind of nuclear meltdowns like people would think. Right, so let's assume that that not is not going to happen, right, like, because God damn, I mean, if the particular plants melt down, you might as well, just kiss your ass, goodbye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the road, yeah, like the road.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like, even like humans are just beating humans because it's like that there's no other food. But I think most of the plants would have a fail safe. I have to think they've thought of that. Like, okay, something crazy happens.
Speaker 1:So I think a bicycle, a good mountain bike, yeah, that you know it's got racks on it and it's funny, it sounds stupid, but like it's reduced noise. Yeah, dude, reduced noise, it can get you far and you can. You can pack it, pack it out with supplies. It doesn't require anything but maybe some grease for the chain, Basic tools, tire patch kit, in case. You know, because, like I used to mountain bike a lot and you know we'd hit sharp rocks all the time and just patch it up and boom, you're right back at it. So, like you know, obviously want things to keep your bike maintained. But I think you would get out of a city much faster, like if you had a bicycle, because you'd be kind of unassuming, you know everyone would be so focused on trying to get their SUV out of the fucking out of the, out of the road, you know, or or yeah, it'd be fucking chaos, like chaos dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, one more parameter before we go Are we, 28 days later, really focuses on like? If you get a drop of blood on you and like in your mouth or an orifice, then you pass on the infection that way. Is it only a bite, or is it that I think?
Speaker 1:the bite makes more sense Okay sure, so in that case, I would say saliva.
Speaker 2:I'm not a big. I would not be big into like melee weapons. I wouldn't ever want to tangle with something that could right up that close right. But yes, blood spatter not infecting me would increase the likelihood of me maybe trying to do that. I would prefer something that creates a distance, like a speed or something along that nature, like I wouldn't want to handle hatchet.
Speaker 1:So if we're thinking classic zombie, you have to do a headshot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if we're thinking like the 28 week later, not like you, just you can just shoot him however you want to shoot him, the fucking heart man, so it's so long. So I guess that is kind of the trade off because, like, if you can get affected by just the blood spatter from the 28 weeks later fucking rage, virus zombies, then they, you definitely would not want to be chopping them up with knives and fucking you know swords and shit, that would be. But what? Like the classic zombies? But see, didn't they start changing that in the walking dead, like later in the seasons? Didn't they start?
Speaker 2:Like they've been using melee weapons to say one there's no way, michelle. Yeah, but fuck it.
Speaker 1:I thought one of the storylines became like they're actually all infected. They are yeah.
Speaker 2:And then it's someone died without being bit and they rose back as a zombie in the prison.
Speaker 1:Is that my correct? No, no, I mean like literally the all the people that are alive, yeah, also have the virus.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's, that's the case, oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, so like yeah.
Speaker 1:So I guess there'd be that, like they all actually.
Speaker 2:Just it's some dormant fucking thing waiting on you to die, or, yeah, from the foot. I think the water may be turning the frogs game.
Speaker 1:Turning the frogs game. Oh my god, with zombies. Oh, that's terrifying to think about. Imagine if they have somewhere hidden away a fucking vial of zombie juice that they could pour into the water.
Speaker 2:What do you think, man?
Speaker 1:I didn't read the book, but I saw the old school TV series. I'm sure, but the stand is like 1200 pages man 1100 on the bridge, it's about 1100.
Speaker 2:So I mean it does make you think that, like I mean I'm. Do you not wonder what the military has in those secret, you know course, facilities?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I do, I mean you know they've got some shit down, but do you really think they've got some kind of zombie?
Speaker 2:virus. I think they have shit that could kill us all very fast. I don't know about anything, but it's a zombie virus. I think they could.
Speaker 1:I mean I think I'm well in the bet you they've got a weaponized form rabies for humans. That would be extremely similar. Yeah, so my hope with that would be like if somebody got this human rabies, because that's essentially what 20 weeks later is like it's a rabies virus moves really fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I guess I would wonder why. I mean maybe because you don't feel any pain, so it would make you stronger. You know people on like PCP and like hardcore drugs. They just don't feel anything. Yeah, I guess it'd be like dealing with that, yeah, like Germans in World War Two and doing that, yeah, but eventually the body would crash.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I don't know, the methods can go for a while if they stay, if they don't, they can, but they'll still, even they will crash, yeah, you know like.
Speaker 1:So like I wonder, huh, I don't know. I'm just thinking about zombie juice in the water and like I'm really glad I'm on a well.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, yeah, Well, water is definitely a huge advantage, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But then again I mean, if your like trick goes out and generator runs out of fuel, where are you going to be standing?
Speaker 1:Oh well, here's the thing, before we go further, if you are listening to this and you don't have extra water stocked up, you better fucking get it. You better like I'm on a well, yes, and I've got in that, my spare bedroom. I've got close to 30 gallons of just water, just in case, right, you know, like lose power or things go super crazy and I got a bug out or something, yes.
Speaker 2:Well, you're already got.
Speaker 1:I hear, bro, I'm already bugged out.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So actually I brought this book along because I read this one I was younger and I fucking loved it. It's the zombie survival guide by Max Survival guide. Yes, so good. So I will say, with doing some research, and it wasn't necessarily from this book during natural disasters there's typically like a 24 hour, like golden window of like people. Actually, when stuff first happens, like earthquakes, stuff like that, like after like the initial issue, there's typically like a 24 hour window where you can kind of like have some flexibility that you need to either pack the fuck up and go or you need to hunker down where you're at and make sure you got the supplies to go like right there. Like obviously, bouncing to a really populated supermarket when the shit hits the fan is not a good idea, but there's typically like you have a little window where you can either like get out without as much congestion before the shit completely hits the fan, or maybe gather a few supplies like a mom and pop shop and stay put man.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing that's. You'd have to be really plugged in, though, and the problem is is society has always viewed people who are prepared as like weird.
Speaker 2:Yep, you know what I mean. The whole show about just like exploiting preppers, like oh, he's gotta say preppers. I fucking love that show. It's so bad, so good. Somebody good idea. A lot of people just like watch that. Just wow that person's fucking stupid.
Speaker 1:Granted, some of those people were legitimately fucking and kind of wacko. Yeah, I met one. He lives in Missouri, really cool guy, keith Ford. Yeah, keith, what's up? I don't know, he doesn't follow me. We're not connected anymore, but hello, keith.
Speaker 2:He was on the episode.
Speaker 1:His wife shot her first turkey with a bow and she was like the sweetest lady. So Keith is a army vet and I talked to him. He's like I hate that they call me a prepper. He's like I'm. He's like I'm just prepared. I'm not. He doesn't ever consider himself a prepper. He's like he writes. He writes for the local newspaper like very articulate, really nice guy, super smart, right, very mechanically set, like dudes of genius. He's a guy you want to say yes, he's like I'm a guy. You know what I mean. You can do all kinds of cool shit, um, but he's like, he's like they kind of made him look dumb and he's like it kind of upset him, you know, because that's just how they're gonna do it, like that was the point of the show was to. I don't I want to say like obviously poke fun, but just to be like look at these dumb. Hell of a weird. Yeah, these weird people. Yeah, he lives over around Houston, missouri, okay, so that's like central, ish, central southern, deep in the Ozarks proper. You know, fucking perfect.
Speaker 2:Um. So, with that being said, so we got so far. Their walkers, blood doesn't transmit it.
Speaker 1:Um if you're in a city, you're probably fucked, um, seriously like and that's with anything, I mean, if there's any disaster and you live in a city, yeah, you're fucked Like that's just the reality in New Orleans.
Speaker 2:How many days it takes them to get water to uh.
Speaker 1:How many days it takes FEMA to get water to the oh, dude, it was a disaster for a long like the police department defected, they started looting.
Speaker 2:Take that for example, you guys. That's how well the government responds to problems.
Speaker 1:Man, people have to understand in a like something as crazy as zombie apocalypse, where just people starting or biting you and then, like every then, they're turning into some psycho Um, trying to kill you. I mean, think about how easily panicked people become now. Oh dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you think shit is like civilized? Yes, but like cuz see.
Speaker 1:I think even if there's people that survive, there's gonna be a mass calling like a suicide. I think most people would just kill themselves rather than have to gut out surviving like this fucking catastrophic zombie apocalypse. That's just like killing everyone and indiscriminate. Like you know, you woke up that morning, you gave your 10 year old kid a kiss and then there are fucking zombie and you had to stab him in the head with a fucking fire poker. There's a swaggering iron. You're like I always hated that fucking little shit. No, that's.
Speaker 2:I mean? I mean, if you're thinking realistically, like, okay, you're in the heart of New York City in a 500 square foot apartment, uh, surrounded by, and you're on like the 30th floor, yeah, you know, surrounded by millions of people, just jump out. Yeah, just jump on the window.
Speaker 1:You know you get your whole family right there. Just do everyone in favor and just yeah, Just just go off into the night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's that's. I mean that'd be a tough call, man. I mean you can take your chances. And actually they talk about, uh, I know in that book they mentioned like, if you are in, uh, an area such as that I mean, as soon as electricity go out, it goes out in a tower, um, elevator's gone Okay, if you can find some way to block, hate or destroy a staircase and a multi-store building and seal off and secure maybe the top couple floors, you might actually have some sort of shelter. And now, because I mean, obviously, if we're talking walkers like they can't climb, you know, they can't do anything. They're not world wars either. They're gonna stack up and get you, you know, or anything like that.
Speaker 1:I mean anything that requires maintenance, like when we think about you know, we live in this very advanced time and we do like technology is amazing, but also we're. It's like a house of cards, like all of it can get zapped away by a really strong solar flare from the sun. You could just wipe it all out. We were just super lucky to be living in a very calm time, absolutely In the universe, and then you start thinking about surviving a zombie apocalypse. You gotta, you gotta assume that everything, again anything that's like tied to a system is gonna fail, and probably relatively quickly, like signals, although I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I bet you the satellites would, they would keep doing everything. I suppose, like having a CBR, ham radio would be extremely ham radio. Ham radio because that's what the military would be using. They'd be using the ham radio system, they'd be working with civilian operators and and, and you know what I mean. But because you have to have a federal license to for ham radio, like I looked into it, like it's, I got a buddy, he was a corpsman and he's he's got a ham radio and he's got a license to go on the waves and like wow, I mean they're, they take it very serious, like people that do that in that world. It's.
Speaker 2:It's a very serious, they go ham with that shit. That's a good one. Thanks, man. Yeah, good one. I'm here all week.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So yeah, communication devices would have to be pretty simple. You could get just a basic walkie-talkie system, you know, but most people don't even have that. Oh no, again, let's just sticking with this fucking city thing. You know, because most people listen are probably living in a city or in your city, statistically, yeah, and the suburbs, because, you know, in the suburbs you might be a little better off. But I think people in the suburbs would have a false sense of safety because they would just like they would probably shut down in their house. You know, I think.
Speaker 2:I feel like a lot would, and let's take an account most people have. I mean, think about yourself, guys, as you're listening to this. How much food do you have in your home? How long could you live off that food with your family?
Speaker 1:Even rationing, most people only have enough food for about a week, yeah, and then your electricity goes out, your meat spoils and you got to think is most people aren't disciplined with food anyway, so a week's worth of food might not even last that long Rationing. I ate two burgers. That's one less than usual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, man, you got to think of all these factors that would be introduced into something like a zombie apocalypse, because, like suddenly yeah, you know you're going from living in a time of plenty to like oh shit, I think there's no food anymore, and again that's a thing that's relying on a system. So the zombie apocalypse hips. And if you like, I guess if you don't have a source of food you're going to, you know you could be so vulnerable, because what are you going to do in the city.
Speaker 2:Well, let's take it we. I mentioned New York earlier. Let's take somewhere that has extremely I'm not going to advocate for I'm not going to get super into the gun debate here but someone that has super stringent gun laws. So most civilians aren't going to be owning weapons. Yes, people who do own weapons are most likely to be already be criminals who haven't registered them. So the people who are already perfectly OK with crime now have this huge advantage against people who don't and no laws. And yeah, there's going to be a lot of of rating and looting and if you are, you know, poke your head out too much or make too much noise or anything like that, or make people aware that you have supplies, you're paying a big fucking target on your back man.
Speaker 1:All right, here's a question. So are you OK? So the apocalypse is upon us? Ok, right, the zombies are roaming, they're eating people. Ok, you get. You're navigating through your city or suburb. Do you take on survivors? Do you band together with people, do you? How do you vet? How do you choose who you're going to survive with?
Speaker 2:Well, I, mean you would say, ideally you'd be like, oh yeah, my family and friends would be perfect. But I mean, let's be honest, like anyone who you have that is extremely old, extremely out of shape, dealing with medical conditions, let's say your family is just in a totally different state.
Speaker 1:Let's just say it's just you, and, like your boyfriend, girlfriend, maybe you got a couple kids or something. So it's just your immediate family, nothing crazy Like, let's just say, grandparents are nowhere near where you live. Ok, you know. So as you're navigating through, you know like these are like decisions You'd have to think about because you know, do you loan Wolf it? Do you like? No, no, we're just sticking with us. Are you trying to join a collective or are you trying to be like, hey, let's band together.
Speaker 2:I would say, long term you would have to have a community. If we're going to be talking like being a group, you have to have. I mean, you can try yourself to be your own security, but there's no fucking way You're going to get sleep. It's tough. So I mean having a group would be ideal. But then again your whole point in selecting your group. I mean you know if you're carrying a backpack full of canned food and you run into another couple?
Speaker 1:of people. So that's the thing is like that. I guess that OK, so maybe they'll tie into that. So if you just run into people and they have no type of like, they have no supplies, they have no weapons, do you, they fucking?
Speaker 1:But let's say you've got supplies and you've got weapons. Do you, I do, take the altruistic route or the kind route and join us? Or you're like to get the fuck away because and then you come across people with supplies. I hate Join us. Like you, you've got some resources and we can pool them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so obviously as soon as the shit is probably in the first week, money or anything else is going to be out the window.
Speaker 1:And it's literally right away.
Speaker 2:Rick Lee going to be trading supplies. So I would say so we're talking about you're on the move, Like you have a backpack with all the belongings you're going to. Ok.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're biking down some alleyways. You know getting getting towards the city's edge. You know you're like you're navigating through it. You guys have made it and it's like you know, do you pick up? No, do you pick up people along the way. I just try to focus on getting the fuck out.
Speaker 2:Realistically speaking, I'm going to be kind of like we were talking about the walking dead earlier. I'm going to be I'm probably more of the Shane roundup.
Speaker 1:We're talking about the true survive. Me too, man. I mean like especially if you've got team shame people can see your backpacks full of shit.
Speaker 2:Speaking of people with dead weight is pretty much like you're kind of like asking for it, absolutely, absolutely. If people know you have supplies, you know they have supplies and you have something to offer, they have something to offer I feel like you might be better off. Obviously, if you know if there's a people driving down a car and they'll have AR 15s, you know, hanging out the window, I probably try to avoid those guys because I don't think they're there to negotiate trading. Right, you know, but it'd be tough man?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're. You know you're in this extreme situation and it's like you have to. You know there's going to get a point where you're going to have to trust somebody. You're going to have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but take for example, wasn't it? 28 weeks later. They're all in the house in the beginning, in that in this pregnant woman shows up, or is it a kid? I think it was a kid. Yeah, he shows up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like hanging on the windows. Do you let the kid in Because he'd be in chased? Yeah, do you like some of them didn't want to let him in, right Wasn't?
Speaker 2:there some people Fuck. I mean, it could have been a fucking trap, dude Bro, I would have let that kid out there. Sorry, yeah, but if he keeps banging on the fucking door and making noise, they would just go for him they wouldn't know to investigate the house because all the windows were boarded up. So they would have no reason to attack the house.
Speaker 1:They're just after the kid.
Speaker 2:I mean, you're really an ambassador spot. I mean, if I was okay, think about it. Okay, If I'm a marauder and I'm trying to get to see if there's people in somewhere, if they have supplies, how many there are, why would you not just use a kid as a way to, I mean, just poke at the soft spot in people's hearts to try to kind of?
Speaker 1:gauge. I think people like in that, do you really like? I almost feel like people would be terrified to even try to go marauding for at least a little while. I think that that would come a bit later. I think, like I think that weeks and months would have to go by where, like you know, because they're just I don't know man, I feel like they'd be so People don't have enough food to get fucking starving. You're not going to care man Like as soon as.
Speaker 2:I mean, think about you got a starving fucking family back in your house or apartment, you know, and you're like supermarkets fucking cleaned out shelves. You can't find food anywhere. Yeah, I'm finding some dipshit who doesn't have any weapons for defense and I'm going to fucking cull them and take over shit, like that shit would happen.
Speaker 1:Okay, and so here's the problem with that right. So say you're, you are another person navigating through a city, you have no supplies and you see a family with supplies, do you just fucking say go, take them out and take?
Speaker 2:their shit. Do I have my own family who's starving? Yes, you would. I would like to. I mean, morally speaking. I would like to say, hey, maybe you know we could help protect you. Yeah, let's just say we have weapons right, and so let's say we can help protect you and you come back and we could split up supplies and we could do some trading, whatever. That would be ideal, that would be ideal, that would. But if there is no negotiating, then you got to kill them. Yeah, that would just take their shit and let them figure it out. You know, give them a chance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but what if they come? That's risky. Yeah, you better off just being like look, I'm a Puchetti misery, I'm going to take your supplies.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm trying to imagine myself like I'm like there might be.
Speaker 1:you know, karma's a bitch and like you know, you're like fucking under attack by zombies and you go to a building and it's like they're the ones who are going to let you in. They're like, oh, fuck you, and they're just going to watch you get eaten by zombies. You're going to get like that kid on because you left him alive.
Speaker 2:Like who is that kid who played on? Everybody hates Chris. That got like destroyed against the glass in front of Glenn I watched that. Yeah, you did Walking dead bro. Oh, it was before.
Speaker 1:Oh damn it.
Speaker 2:Oh, spoiler alert for walking dead If you haven't seen it, fuck you, never mind. They said this is Chris. Everybody hates Chris. Everybody hates it. It was the African American kid from everybody hates Chris. Oh, remember, glenn barely got out and you just see the kid press against the glass Right Ripped apart. That was brutal. It's good kill. Um, yeah, I mean, I do believe karma's a bitch. Um, I'm not going to say I'd be like I want to take some moral high ground, just based on like I'd like to think I have enough character to be like. Not if it means if I know directly it is like my family or yours and there is no other option. I'm always going to pick you know. Yeah, I mean, I understand. I definitely see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1:Um, I just feel like I would probably choose violence every time. Yeah, I know, but I know, I know, I know that, but like I'm just, I, uh, I would take a Mongolian scorched earth earth approach where, like, you conquer a city and you just got to kill everyone in it. So you have no enemies, right, just get rid of them.
Speaker 2:Just just fucking kill it. I mean you probably are going to kill everyone.
Speaker 1:I mean because if you take a family supplies and you leave them there. Is that a fate worse than death? I think so. Yeah, especially if they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, like dad's a fucking banker and mom's a fucking Karen, you know, and the kids are just fucking confused about their gender and everything else and like, oh, you know, fucking oh we had to make them forget it.
Speaker 2:Here it was in the cabinet, so we decided to bring them.
Speaker 1:They're fucked. Yeah, you're going to leave. They're going to get eaten and, like the fucking, watch your kids getting by zombies.
Speaker 2:It will sell. You has a hammer, it's all you got, and they don't have anything. You're going to fucking hammer a kid to death, bro, if he's a zombie? I'm talking about, we're talking about the human family you just stole the shit from. Are you going to fucking beat him to death? The hammer all of them. That's harsh dude. Yeah, I'm saying like this is the brutal reality, especially in the case of somewhere.
Speaker 1:Listen, turn around, you won't feel a thing. Kid, I promise You're the closet yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go to sleep, so let's let's talk about some fun, okay, so one thing I do want to mention that was really fun in this book. That was a really good point. I mean, they obviously bring up a whole bunch of different strategies, a whole bunch of different weapons, right? I mean the? You know the plus size and negative size. They brought up a really interesting point I've never seen executed and I've never heard really talked about. So he was mentioning different ways to arm yourself. We'll take World War Z. He wraps magazines around his arm. Zines is good. Don't say that's smart. Yeah, they talked about chainmail, chainmail. Where the fuck are you going to get changed? I mean, let's just some fucking media nerd. Yeah, man who has, like, helmets sitting on this table or something, yeah right, he's got fucking. I see the helmet. No, okay, I think it's out of the picture. Yeah, he's got a Viking helmet. He's a fucking nerd. A shark suit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but where the fuck are you going to get a shark suit from?
Speaker 2:I feel about if you live in fucking Tampa. They don't have one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that seems like. That seems like a specialty item you'd find in the video game.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, I know, but like something it's made to prevent shark or help prevent shark fights.
Speaker 1:I think the magazine thing is actually practical.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know, I know I have the duct tape and magazines. Okay, but you still have, you can have any of them covering your joints, anything I mean, anything like in, like the area of the arm. I mean there's so many I mean. None of this is going to help if you get grabbed by a horde and just fucking pulled apart.
Speaker 1:I almost think you'd have to make something layered you could use like aluminum or something. What about Kevlar?
Speaker 2:for a chest it would work. I mean Kevlar, I mean plus. That would help stop a handgun bullets.
Speaker 1:Yeah to a certain caliber. Well, you know, it always seems like zombies lunge at you. So you, like, I think you definitely want your forearms have arms, and arms heavily protected, Like if you could get a riot shield. That'd be perfect. Fucking sweet. You know those would be laying around.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, probably, probably they're trying to establish martial law in time. Absolutely, they have shields and it seems like some of these movies and shows they handle so much differently and how fast the apocalypse takes place. Like World War Z, there was no golden window, like it was literally like and I think that's how it happened. It just happened so fast and there were fucking sprinters Like yeah, Well, even if they weren't, I think when you're in a city area like I mean, dude, look at a.
Speaker 1:I've been seeing this on YouTube. It's like there's a, this little, it's in Philadelphia and it's just loaded with fucking meth. Like the drugs are terrible there. So like it would take an area like that where people are just living right on top of each other.
Speaker 2:They're already acting crazy.
Speaker 1:It would. It would spread so fast, it would just overwhelm Dude, it would overwhelm everyone, you know, and I just because then if, if we're thinking about the fast moving zombies, then yeah, it's going to be vastly different. I guess I still think even the slow ones, it's going to spread pretty quick. Yeah, Just because people wouldn't know what was going on.
Speaker 2:And like why are you getting so close to me? What the fuck are you?
Speaker 1:doing Right. Yeah, yeah, dude, we're such a soft society. We would allow people to get into our space and you can't jujitsu zombies.
Speaker 2:That's the fucking problem. You cannot jujitsu zombies.
Speaker 1:Maybe ankle locks. You have to do a combo.
Speaker 2:I don't want anything close to the head though. Man, I'm going to single X, keep them away. I'm saying like dude, no, maybe not. I don't know if that works. They fucking started sitting up on you.
Speaker 1:The only thing you can just jujitsu for in the zombie is to just create distance, like that'd be it. Like you fell down, you're like oh my God, and you just sweep it and then get the fuck out of there. You never seen X guard. You undead Fuck, take that Get scrap bitch, I'm going to get the fuck out of here, and then he fights your way. Fuck, I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Damn, damn it. I thought the M&R role is more effective than this.
Speaker 1:It's funny because, like when I'm watching a movie and someone's doing something like shouldn't know jujitsu, but zombies like yeah, there's no.
Speaker 2:I mean, hand to hand is literally kind of null and void, no void.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but also like because I don't think. Do you think most people even have the peace of mind to grab weapons? I think I think somewhat. I think the reality is is most people I don't even like, think about how nonviolent our society has become. Hmm, right, like, do you really see people grabbing weapons, getting ready to, like, fight? I don't even know if they would know what to grab.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, there's obvious stuff like oh, there's a like who's got a tomahawk laying?
Speaker 1:around their house. I mean, besides us, besides, like yeah, besides us and stuff.
Speaker 2:I think most people like you know, even some of certain knives are outlawed. I mean like people I definitely understand, like, especially, I feel like more of the I'd say maybe we'll just say the city-ish crowd, and like the more. I don't want to get too political, but I mean they're not, they're not, they don't care about weapons, right, exactly, I mean you can't you can't pepper spray a fucking zombie.
Speaker 1:you know like I ain't going to do nothing, it's just going to eat that shit and still walk right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're going to spice up the flavor.
Speaker 1:The thing about firearms is, if you've got like a fucking I don't know a specialty round, like that's going to be detrimental because you think you want to have the basic nine millimeter five, five, six shot 12 gauge 22, 22.
Speaker 2:Think about how many rounds of 22 you carry in a fucking backpack.
Speaker 1:I have like 2000 rounds of 22.
Speaker 2:You can carry like 550 in, like a little box.
Speaker 1:You can carry bricks of 500. No problem, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2:So the thing, penetration wise, I mean, if you're talking about just strictly headshots, you know you got the basic, fairly common knowledge. 22 will work, yeah, and it has this sweet ability to like not have enough velocity to go through the skull twice, so it's typically in there and scrambles, so yes, absolutely so like, and that's what you're going to want to have.
Speaker 1:You're going to want to have weapons that can take these, uh, those, those kind of rounds 29 millimeter, five, five, six. You shot, you shot you shot.
Speaker 2:You've shot so many 20 gauge, 20 gauge, 12. Yeah, and then you've got guns and I want you to think about how many people own guns and enough rounds to be feasible and how many people would be able to accurately perform under pressure. I mean, you're military, you had the pressure chest, I'm not going to be a lot. Yeah, I mean shit, dude, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because, like, even the Taliban in Afghanistan were the fucking terrible shots, yeah, and they were like shooting at us with machine guns and still missing us, thank God, but like, so I think.
Speaker 2:But see, that's maybe their job was giving in the way. No, no man.
Speaker 1:A lot of them were from Pakistan so they wore you know, that's what's funny the bit of an aside. That's how we knew the regions A lot of these fighters were from, because, you know, they take their headdresses very seriously and Pakistan had a certain style, like the men in Afghanistan had a different style. So, like we, often after firefights, you know we'd recover artifacts and stuff and a lot of them would be like they would be wearing these Pakistani style hats because they always go oh, pakistani fighters aren't coming over. Like bullshit, motherfucker. I just smoked, like three of them, yeah, like they clearly are coming over here, but anyway, but you're right, under stress, under duress, I'm going to go ahead and say a majority of people are going to fuck up. You know they're. They're guns going to jam and they're not going to know how to tap right, bang or clear it or they haven't maintenance their gun in years and like they don't even know, you know, or they forgot how to use it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they fucking haven't cleaned their barrel. They haven't anything. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or they're trying to shoot it and it's on safety, but they're so panicky that they don't realize and they just throw it. Team Glock, Dude, people do fucked up stuff under pressure, Absolutely Like. And so you start thinking about a zombie apocalypse where there's these goddamn things walking around biting people and eating their flesh and pulling their guts out and just having a fucking organ party with your guts. You know, like this is so awesome, it's like a rave. And you're like, yeah, I was through to getting down man. Like that's their fentanyl brother. Yeah, Like the fucking brains baby. And so that's the other thing about the other zombie movies. Was the brains Like, why do they always want to eat the bread? I don't fucking know, man. That's why I, like the other zombie, Like just eat the flesh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're just fucking your flesh.
Speaker 1:You're blood and your fucking your kidneys and liver and stuff. I mean they probably like the, you know livers are human liver zombies, probably like bro. This is iron, right, there's a fucking, there's a fucking zombie liver and he just pedaled, he's peddling human livers, just crushing skulls. These are breastfed live. Human livers, man, like. These are vegans, you know, like some vegan livers, but they're actually awful because you need to eat meat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he'd have to be like he has to be pinning some like cerebral spinal fluid, you know just out Spinal tap.
Speaker 1:No, you get to that bone marrow, that bone marrow. So, yeah, I think a majority of people would be so useless with a firearm that. But you know, what'd be interesting is that even trained people can panic to like. That's the thing about training is, uh, has to be something you're really sustaining, like, even if it hasn't done it. Do zombies like.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's not enough. If you do it a couple times a year, like, you're still going to have that panic button. You know, and I think that's why, like, the Marine Corps is so successful with like, you know, the grunts is that we, you know we train so fucking much that when it came time to game time, we're like we fucking, we got this easy, easy, didn't even think about it. I, you know. I think you know we don't talk about Jiu-Jitsu, but I think if you do stuff like that on a daily basis, you're going to be one of those people who are going to be less likely to panic in these kinds of scenarios because you're like but I, you can't guarantee that cause, no one's ever done zombie.
Speaker 2:Well, you never know.
Speaker 1:Like oh my God, it's happening, you know.
Speaker 2:then you just get taken out like imagine the year I quit those old school guys like I only carry 19, 11, you know you got a seven round magazine.
Speaker 1:you're back in the corner with five surrounding you Like are you going to hit all your shots with another 20 behind them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know coming in. Just so I would say I'd say, rule wise um, no matter where you go, you need to always have like at least one or two routes out of there.
Speaker 1:Yes, Um, absolutely, yeah, Okay so, okay. So, let's say, you're out of the city now. Okay, right so.
Speaker 2:I've killed. I've killed multiple families.
Speaker 1:I have this. Well, possibly it's possible, or or you banded together and they're in your group of three or four is now a group of seven or eight, okay, and you're all kind of on the same page.
Speaker 2:Are they capable?
Speaker 1:Are they? Are they ready to do this fucking survival when? What are your next steps? Where are you going? Where are you going from there? Like, are you, can you get out of the city? Uh, okay, let's say you manage to get some kind of vehicle, okay, that will accommodate all of you. What's the climate like? Where am I? Well, let's say it's um, say it's like the fall, winter's coming, winter's coming, yeah, but get okay, winter's coming, it's dark over here.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's say it's like. It's like, give me a location, are we talking? Are we talking like mid fall, like 50 degrees, or talking mid fall like 30 degrees? I mean like Missouri. Missouri, okay, excellent.
Speaker 1:So I'm not going to worry about. I'm not going to worry about actually, no, let's say, like New York, because that's a big congested area.
Speaker 2:So, holy shit, you know they. I think on one of those studies and like one of them was by uh, I think Cornell did one, I think it's what I said earlier they said that if, uh, uh, zombies were to walk from New York, even to get to like upstate New York, it would take them like a significant, it'd take them like three months just to walk there.
Speaker 1:Okay, but what if? See, this is how it's going to spread Cause. Remember, they're going to get people, are going to get bitten and they're not going to change immediately? No, they're going to drive off. They're going to drive off. Yeah, no, it's going to spread that way.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean obviously the concentration when you get to less densely populated areas, like, unless they they follow some sort of hoard mentality, which it seems like they do most.
Speaker 1:Pop culture yeah, they band together for some reason which, if you think about it there, if they're going back to these primal instincts, it would make sense that they would kind of maybe hoard together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, but obviously if you go to a population town of a thousand versus you know like, uh, several million, you're still not going to have that big of a hoard in, uh, in the 10,000 area there's. It's not possible that they're going to be. You're going to be dealing with less of what I'm trying to say. So, um, I do not know the exact like like geographical, um like landmarks of New York, because obviously I've never been there. Um, I personally would go south.
Speaker 1:Say like, say you're Jonesboro.
Speaker 2:Jonesboro. Yeah, I'm headed back. I'm headed back home. I'm heading back to fucking where I'm from. Dude, I'm getting the fuck away from Jonesboro. I'm heading north, back towards where I'm going. Okay, uh, let's see Jonesboro and I'm in a vehicle. Um, I feel like seven or eight people. Yeah, I personally know um, people who.
Speaker 1:I'm friends with, so you're going to go back home, is there? Are there people around there?
Speaker 2:Very, very minimal. Dude, I live like two or three miles down gravel, so not perfect. Yeah, and I've got, like I've got like one neighbor who's actually within, like you know, like a quarter mile. So, um, and they're, they're pretty cool people.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, probably going to go back home, um or or let's, let's even, let's change the setting Okay, fictional city, hey, okay, right, about two million people. Okay, outside of fictional city, hey, it's, it's relatively rural. Okay, uh, let's say to the north, it's cold, right, there's mountains. To the south, uh, there's, maybe big tracks of forest out to the west, you know, you can, is whatever. So, with winter coming, and uh, when in World War Z the book I think, they talk about how a group of survivors went north and the zombies froze, yeah, and then thought out and then came back to you know, but like so, would you like say it's fall? I mean, would you have that?
Speaker 2:Would you even think that, like these are zombies, we should go north because there's a good chance that they're going to just well, if we're fucking following the concept of they technically still have, if they're not like actually having vital functions, yeah, like walking down to the technically don't have a heartbeat, you know you can chop off, right, they're going to keep going, right? Um, I still feel like if they're, they're using muscle tissue like this, obviously none of it makes sense, like in a way, speaking like that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Okay. Think about that mushroom, the, that fungal virus. Are you talking about the one from the last South America? Oh, what are we talking about? Well, no, there's an. There's an actual like fungus that can manipulate Like a body.
Speaker 2:I know, but they fucking like if they're dead. They're not breathing, they're not getting oxygen, their muscles, they physically couldn't move.
Speaker 1:Right, which means something fungal maybe would have to be controlling them.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've seen the last of us, brother. They made it a cordyceps was what they used. Why would they use cordyceps? Those are good for you. They're saying cordyceps mutated. That's so. That's so stupid. Viruses mutate all the time.
Speaker 1:Mushrooms don't mutate. Mushrooms are fucking. That's why Paul Stamets was upset with that show. I get it now.
Speaker 2:That's the premise of the fucking game too. Oh, I didn't play any of that. It was supposed to be. Really, I'm not a PlayStation guy, but it was supposed to be extremely good.
Speaker 1:I missed that train, not the second one I missed that train?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's okay. I mean I guess I kind of did too. The show was decent, but I would say I would definitely go towards the. I would be more inclined to go towards the forest. You're still going to have reduced population. Mountains is going to be, I'm assuming, much lower temperatures. Yeah, I mean visibility would be great, but at the same time, resources are going to be very limited. You're going to have to be constructing your own structures, walls, et cetera. Yeah, if you're not, or if you want to build walls, I mean it'd be great to have a bunch of trees around. Plus, I mean wildlife would be much more limited than the mountains. I'm assuming, like, if you're talking about hunting, if you're talking about forging your own food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it could be Like I mean you would be able to, but not if you're in a state like Wyoming or Montana or you know what I mean. Because me, I'm going west, dude, I'm going west, you get me north and south.
Speaker 2:You bastard, you didn't give me another option. Well, I said west, I mean, but you said mountains or four, I would say west.
Speaker 1:I guess I'd go west because it's just flat, it's flat and there's just there's not. You know, I lived on the road and so it was funny. When I was living on the road I would play these scenarios in my head. I'm like, if something like that happened, what would I do? And I'm like I had solar. You know, I had solar in my RV. I had propane that would run my fridge, but it also run on electric. They would run on my solar and the west is just so sparsely populated, but you know. But I guess the one thing you have to worry about is if that these zombies are hoarding together like where are they going?
Speaker 1:Because I think in World War Z there's another. They're like the battle, like they're on the desert earth. They have some kind of battle and they're just. Millions of them are masked, walking across the landscape, dude, but you would see that You'd have plenty of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean in a flat, flat scenario. I mean think about how they got ambushed at the farm walking down the downside to that is lack of wildlife.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be the one obvious downside. I mean, your canned food is gonna run out, dude your rice and beans.
Speaker 2:Eventually you have to be able to grow your own cuz.
Speaker 1:I didn't see a lot of when I was like I spent a lot of time out in the desert out there and they're just Scrubby areas and like there's not a lot of anything, really like you'd be living on fucking lizards and rabbits.
Speaker 2:I'm okay, without that I prefer. I like deer meat, it's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no deer, there's like nothing out there. Yeah, I know. So I'm saying I'd rather be in the woods.
Speaker 2:Yeah, personally I mean yeah, obviously you're gonna hunt the population out eventually, but I mean well, cuz.
Speaker 1:You gotta think most people are gonna be fleeing the city Right, they're gonna be getting the fuck out. All Gonna know where to go. All people are probably thinking is like I need to get as far away from here as possible. And when you look at the east coast, like the east coast is just so Congested, man, it's fucking atrocious. So it's like the whole east coast I feel like would be compromised. And then like there would be this exodus going west, midwest you know what I mean. Like because everybody's cuz it gets less and less popular as it gets towards the middle of the country. Hmm, you know.
Speaker 2:So it'd be like a tidal wave of people who are starving and looking for resources.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bet, you see, like Donovan right, small town, small city, I'm willing to bet you that these small towns Would, they would like they would wall themselves off, you know, I mean they wouldn't let outsiders in, like I feel like that would happen Like an Alexandria scenario. Dude, my neighbor, my well, I guess, my neighbor, he, he was like bro, he's ready, he's ready for fucking survival, like we had this conversation. He's like, dude, if something happens, it's a cult, I'm gonna cut, I'll cut these trees down a little bit, access to the road. He's like I'll watch the front, you can watch the back, and I'm like All right, dude, I like you, dude, we'll get along. Man, yeah, we're gonna do great. I'm like we're gonna fuck people up. We're not taking none of our stuff, but that's what people are gonna look for, people from the city they're gonna be looking for. But I think it'd be crazy out here too, you know, I think, I think it would, huh, I think I'd have to get that way.
Speaker 2:But I mean Still, I mean, like I said, just the lower population idea. Like I mean, think about how long it'd take to walk here from Jonesboro. Do Jesus, exactly long ass time and if we're if we're, and one thing it never really gets covered much in the walking dead or anything is like how long till they decay so much they can't move anymore, like how long before they just collapse?
Speaker 1:yeah, because I guess after a while yeah, they just wait I would have to wait them out. But, like you know, maybe the rate of decay is really slow. Yeah, you know, maybe, like the virus, you know, maybe that maybe there's like a like a preservative in there, that like, so maybe it takes them a couple years to decay. That would suck, that would suck, that would suck a lot, and then you'd have to, like you'd have to do more work to eradicate More of them, would you risk using Well unsuppressed firearms all the time?
Speaker 1:That's a good one, geez cuz. Yeah, noise attracts them, I wouldn't smell. Attracts them, man, I would do everything in my power to be quiet, I know but I Fucking.
Speaker 2:Katana is not practical, it's not. Daryl Dixon's crossbow is not fucking practical, it's not.
Speaker 1:I mean even trying to get a headshot of the crossbow. Good, fucking, yeah, try that. I Mean maybe at five yards, but anything beyond that, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's just fucking, unless you're practicing on that every fucking day.
Speaker 1:The head is a teeny little moving target and that's why, like even the military were taught that the T-box drills, like you know, to the chest one of the head, you know, because, like To to the chest boom, that's like that's gonna stop most people. Yeah, the head ones, just, you know, for bonus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said I was in God Got him, I guess, suppose. If it's those zombies, though, I guess the two in the chest would make much of a difference, those fucks, unless you sever their spine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the classic zombies, they're just gonna eat that.
Speaker 2:They're gonna keep rolling, you gotta fucking get a crush that skull and that's, and that's not an easy, that's not easy target to hit over and, over and over again, especially Think about.
Speaker 1:Okay. So like, think about if we're dealing with the fast movers Right, like think about how that would change the tactics, because center mass all the time, well, center mass all the time. But then, like you got to think about movement, because if these things can chase you so right off the bat, anyone who's not in shape, they're fucked. Anyone who can't run at all, they're fucked. Old people are fucked, fat people are for sure. Well, that's the other thing about any any major catastrophe. Think about Like there will be a mass kill-off and it's gonna be in the hospitals because they're gonna lose power. The generator is gonna fail. Anybody on critical Such limits done man. Think about people that are on type one diabetes medication.
Speaker 2:I was mentioning earlier any severe medical condition.
Speaker 1:You're fucked, fucked anything you need medication for you're fucked. Think about how many people are in medication right now. No, fucking hell, dude, there'd be immediate withdrawals on Fucking oxy cop, like, and that's things I don't think people think about, right, when something like this happens a zombie apocalypse You're like oh my god, zombies. But then you're like, oh shit, I'm on heart medication. Yeah, like oh shit, I'm on blood thinners, like I've got gout.
Speaker 1:you know just, we already almost have an art you know and it's like, well, you can't take your fucking ambient or whatever, the fucking worse sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you think you're depressed. Good zombie pockets. What do we discontinue? Your Zoboff bitch, take that. Yeah, no more, fucking no more at all.
Speaker 1:You think you're anxious now no more at all, so you can't write your weird newspaper articles anymore.
Speaker 2:Say goodbye to your colon if you're teeth shittering. You're about to learn the true meaning of anxiety. Mother, how was it entertaining? I was a good like, let's say just unnecessary, but kind of like, yeah, just funny, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's like. So, really, the zombie apocalypse is perfectly tailored for people who are in shape. Yep, okay, especially if we're talking about these fast-moving zombies, because I feel like some people would take that as a challenge like, alright, motherfucker, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna outrun you and you probably won't be able to because they're just, yeah, they don't seem to be very tired very fast and they're just gonna run through a window or a wall.
Speaker 2:They have no concern black summer zombies.
Speaker 1:They were kind of like that. They would just run through doors just terrifying, terrifying.
Speaker 2:How many fucking doors I can actually like stand that like I mean you, how well you have, I mean you have something doesn't care for, breaks its fucking neck on a duck, it doesn't give a shit doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 1:Let's see. If that thing breaks its neck, does it kill it? Yeah, but maybe you know, because if, if the, if, the like these 20 Week later zombies, you know they could run and it's kind of just a virus that there's maybe a cure for. You know, if they get that neck broken, like, how would it affect?
Speaker 2:them.
Speaker 1:They have, or it you sever that spine and that electrical connection, then I'd have to assume they're physically can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know there's no way, yeah like they're not coming back from that. Yeah, if I sound, if the spinal cord severed, there is no communication from the brain to the rest of the screen.
Speaker 1:We don't, yeah crowbar to the spine, yeah, but you're gonna have to run, you have to get distance from them. Because that's gonna change your entire tactics, yep, of how you get out of it, of how you deal with them. Because, because it just adds this whole dimension of like oh shit, these are smart, they're deadly, they're like predators, yep, and you're suddenly the prey. Say like for me that's way more terrifying, absolutely, because you're gonna like, and I think more people would kill themselves from that scenario. I think more people would rather have the slow-moving zombies or just like.
Speaker 2:Bumping into walls. You can slowly watch your family get devoured, just like right, just instead of like seeing them get smashed first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have another speared.
Speaker 2:You have another 45 seconds to process it. You know, as your feet are getting eaten, here's my method. Okay, I'm going through a small town when I'm clearing it out. Okay, I'm gonna get a truck. Make sure it's got enough diesel. I'm trying to, obviously. So you're gonna go to diesel, I'm diesel gas whatever, I'm just thinking I want something with a large bed.
Speaker 1:See, I'll never get a diesel there's, so I don't know how to work in a diesel. What I don't know how to work on a diesel engine.
Speaker 2:Okay, I guess, whatever anything, it's got a fucking bed. Okay, you gotta think about these things. Listen, man like this is survival bro this is early on.
Speaker 2:This is like clearing out an area. Okay, I'm gonna go through with air horns and I'm gonna have about two or three of my escape family, my escape group Okay, so you're gonna draw them to you. Yes, we're gonna lay, I'm gonna have two people lay in the back of the bed and we're not gonna give a fuck. We're gonna get all our ammo, multiple weapons. They're gonna lay in the bed. We're gonna air horn, we're gonna draw all the ones in the surrounding area via noise. Okay, and we're gonna get them in a nice big train. So, even if you miss the first one, maybe you can just like hit a headshot or something behind them and we're gonna systematically just go at a nice, maybe like first, second gear pace.
Speaker 2:Okay, and we're gonna slowly shoot the ones behind us or to lead the rest of them away, like I mean, think about that shit, man.
Speaker 1:You could that reminds me of how, like planes, indians hunted buffalo they would corral them and then push them over cliffs.
Speaker 2:We wouldn't really be. They'd be more following you.
Speaker 1:Well, but it's kind of the same concept where you just you try to, you're hurting them all together. You know you can get them all together so you can systematically pick them off. Yeah, because they kind of do that and the remake of Don of the dead right or they. They get in that bus and they're fucking they don't. Isn't there a part in there where they have to draw their?
Speaker 2:attention, I forget them.
Speaker 1:You know the Ving Reims version, that shit was. I watched a video about the guy ass. He's like why did they leave them all? Like, why did they just stay in there? It's indefensible.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:Well, it is right and then they're running massive there and there's it's a mall, so there's not like a ton of food. Yeah, I mean there's okay the food court, but I mean they had a long second last.
Speaker 2:I mean they had the perfect. I mean, look, honestly, I know the ending obviously didn't work out in the post credits Cut, yeah, but going to an island this small enough to like keep things away, we're gonna assume these things can't fucking swim, right? They can't, right, they can't. Oh yeah, I mean they can't walk through a fucking ocean flow, I know, but they're not gonna be able to navigate. Okay, if you go to an island, the fish are probably be eating them. Yeah, it's like maybe a couple miles offshore, you know, and just fucking like maybe be able to like go back and forth with the boat and get some eyes. I mean, that would be the most I did. They had a good idea, think about where the mall was.
Speaker 1:It was in Minnesota, wasn't it? Don't? I don't know, I don't want to quote you on that, man. Okay, so it was either Milwaukee or something somewhere up north. Right is where that mall was. So what fucking island are they on? So that whatever island they're on is probably in a lake up north? And that anyway, because it's gonna get fucking cold and they have no supplies, right?
Speaker 2:like I thought they were down south more.
Speaker 1:My crazy, no no, they were like it was Minneapolis or Minnesota or Milwaukee. Wow, who's up north?
Speaker 2:so they would have to go to the wet. Would, I feel, the West Coast for that? Or they go the East Coast.
Speaker 1:Well, it'd have to be near them because I mean, where is? Probably just on some small lake, yeah, you know, unless they went to the Great Lakes, like I guess. But that would only work if they were in, like, like Wisconsin or something.
Speaker 2:Hmm, I mean, but think about what better defense would you have than just being somewhere they can't swim to?
Speaker 1:I Mean, what could possibly be well, cuz I think in World War Z they did have a Floating barge right where people were living on it, but then even that failed. How that fail, I forget. See, I shouldn't even brought it up cuz I don't remember. That's okay, no, I mean, but I think. But okay, so like a maritime based survival strategy could work pretty well, absolutely. But I think the downfall to that is like you have to constantly return to shore to get resources, so there's always that risk.
Speaker 2:If it wasn't a decent enough Climate. Maybe you'll arm. Yeah, I'm certain like fuel, and like I mean in a city, think about how many vehicles will be sitting there's waiting for gas to be siphoned. You'd have to have, obviously, to mix the boat fuel. You would have to find a nice surplus of that oil to mix it with. If we're talking about a two-stroke, yeah yeah, boat engine, yeah, that would be kind of difficult, since that comes in very small quantities typically. God damn, there's a lot to think about.
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying. That's why I think I think a lot of people like even if we're being realistic about it like I think the chances of survival for most people is gonna be pretty fucking small, because Most people just don't know how to survive. You know, in any capacity like are you know we're multiple generations into like Just having everything always given to us or available, and it's like we have food on demand, we have medicine on demand, you've got everything on demand and like. Then, all of a sudden, all these luxuries are taken away and I just don't think most people would have the mental willpower to like handle it.
Speaker 2:No, I'm opposed. Most people don't know anything about Survival itself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm a how to use firearms or how to kill someone, like something, how to defend themselves. You know a lot of people don't have that aggressive button.
Speaker 2:I Don't man get people hungry. I feel like there'd be a lot more people who are fucking flipping that marauding switch, you know like yeah, yeah, I could see that like yeah, but I still think a majority of them would just probably kill like it'd be like a mass suicide.
Speaker 1:Families are just like all right, we're gonna do this together. Yeah, would you rather like they'd go heavens gate? You know, heavens gate cold.
Speaker 2:I mean would you rather? I mean would you watch your family? I mean I know, obviously we're gonna try it, you know. But like I mean, Would.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be playing the survival game.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be like, yeah, yeah, let's say you, let's say you had, you had kids sitting in front of you and you, like, you, realize that there was no possibility you were in a such situation either. Would you, rather than be ripped apart and bitten or turned into whatever the fuck those things are, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, that's a tough one. Think about the ending of the next. Thank God I don't have kids because I'm gonna great, but I can't low and wolf at the whole time. I'd have to join a group eventually, but I mean you have.
Speaker 2:You have a lot to offer, though, because you're post-military, bad ass knowledge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean well, yeah, I've got like combat experience and defense, and I mean think about how valuable Survival books would be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, think about like a whole bookshelf of survival books exactly. It's fucking like that. You see how valuable that should be when you take down the internet. I live in a good spot like.
Speaker 1:I live in a place where most people are gonna bug out to Like the forest, you know, and like I've chickens, I've got eggs like, and I've got seeds. So if I have to start a garden like, that is a perfect. Yeah, I have a seat bank, yeah, and it's like I know how to Garden and all that other seeds.
Speaker 2:Yeah awesome Bakers Creek baby. Oh my god, I'll be a great um. One thing I mean I like I don't want to get to the day like People like will have like one or two boxes ammo. I think they're good to go. I mean I know I have enough rounds to kill everyone in my hometown. That's what that. That's. That's why that's how many I want. You know I'm saying right, yeah, if they turn into zombies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, and most people don't I don't stock, but the ones that do have probably too much. Honestly, there's seriously like look, I've got a pretty healthy supply of ammunition and it's still, I feel like, not near enough that I would need you know, like.
Speaker 2:But I mean suppressors, you wouldn't be able to get a hole. I mean those would be a decently idea. I mean they're still making noise.
Speaker 1:It was a tough you could make those pretty easily, though. I give me an example suppressors. Well, you can make them out of like Bottles. You know like ways you can do it. Have you ever heard of an actual like suppressed 22? It is so in Afghanistan, our designated marksman rifle had a suppressor on it. Yeah, it was a M16 a To I'm 16 a to that was stripped down and modified, but it was had like a nice scope on it, had a Suppressor on it. So it was like you know, you hear like the yeah, puff, yeah. Um, those are like no 22 is fairly quiet.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's not that snappy sound.
Speaker 2:You know I'm gonna say, if you put a suppressor, me I view, have you like listened to, like an audio or like heard one, a suppressed 22 being shot? It is fucking wild, it is so quiet. Yeah, I mean, obviously, guys, 22 is not gonna be like you're accurate round you're taking out fucking a whole group from a Big range.
Speaker 2:You know that'd be like a. If you're going through like a city block, yeah, minimal, like we're not talking like a population of hundreds, like just go through and just you know, yeah, I'd be a great weapon of great choice, yeah.
Speaker 1:I just I Set myself up because I'm kind of a weirdo, I'm just like dude, I just want to already be in the spot. Oh, my god, I want to already be at a spot. Well, that's like, look at the fucking pandemic man. Like Shit got crazy, and just think about how benign that was compared to like a zombie apocalypse, like, yeah, that'd be terrible. It freaked the fuck out. What people did? They bought toilet paper and they like didn't buy supplies that you would need, like just toilet paper, like.
Speaker 1:So I think a lot of people would be in for a rude fucking awakening. Yeah, I think we're going back to like stone ages. With a little bit of technology, we can rebuild, yeah, which would probably be a while. Yeah, cuz you got to think like, I mean, so many people are gonna die and it would set us back, and which could maybe not be a bad thing. You know there's a lot of people out there that think that you know humanity has has risen and fallen multiple times. A great reset there, yeah, which I I feel like makes total sense. Yeah, I can't believe, in the billions of years this planet has existed, that, like Weed, you know that there weren't other civilizations that rose and then just time wiped them away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's what millions of years, can easily wipe away anything.
Speaker 2:They always talk about the pyramids like how was it possibly constructed? And never. Yeah, like I'm Hancock, I Well, yeah, I mean, but I mean an advanced civilization, maybe a yeah, a big civilization before constructed it?
Speaker 1:Well, because they're dating these rocks now and they're saying these rocks are far older than Egypt. Like they were there, they had to have been there before Egypt, or you know, built by some previous civilization in Egypt, just co-opted it, you know, and they fucked and yeah.
Speaker 2:I think about. You're like you're walking around in the fucking desert and you just see this massive fucking structure. You're like I want to be whatever this thing is. Like that's badass. Like yeah, these guys will come back and give us some shit pyramid. Yeah, I mean, if I was just had known nothing else than fucking stone and rocks and sticks and shit and I just seen that, I'd be like, damn, the people got one of our. I'm gonna worship this. It seems like I'm gonna hang out here.
Speaker 1:We're gonna bury our dead kings in there. Yeah, they think they actually. They've never found any actually buried in a pyramid there was. There was like tombs or something. There's supposed to be secret passages inside the pyramid, I think so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't know if they've.
Speaker 1:That's not a history we may never, ever know. People probably know what if it was a zombie apocalypse that took those motherfuckers out. You know what if it's in the permafrost that's melting right now Like? There's another scenario. They have found actual like.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, in microbes they're like dude, that would suck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like an airborne zombie virus, we'd be totally fucked.
Speaker 2:There'd be no way. I'd like to just be fucked Like.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how. Maybe some people would be immune to it. There would have to be some some. There would have to be some people that would be immune to it. Like it just makes sense, because not everybody got COVID, not everyone's ever going to get it, so I feel like there's like an airborne zombie thing would be kind of the same way. I really want you to read the stand.
Speaker 2:That is an airborne. It's an airborne virus, but it pretty much 1% of the population is immune.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but isn't it like very biblical, kind of like biblically themed, about who survives and not.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say it's biblically themed. It does have themes of like. It does. I mean there's like a good versus evil and the good kind of like is obviously kind of Christian background and you know like, and they talk about God a little bit. But it's not like you know, and I would say the antagonist definitely has like devil like qualities. He's kind of like a mystical, like. I mean you know how Stephen King is, he always gets a little bit supernatural I know it's such a solid book man.
Speaker 1:You know what? You know what? The problem that always seems to be in these zombie shows that they show like the group inevitably has someone who's just a fucking asshole or they don't want to play along and it's like I'm sorry, but I'm gonna take the shame approach and just take them out. Yeah, you can't be having people like that in your group, Fuck.
Speaker 2:Otis, shoot him in the leg and let him Fuck. Otis.
Speaker 1:Fuck Otis dude. Seriously, like you can't be doing that, Like you can't, like you can't shoot Carl, dude, you bastard, no Carl. I just, you know, like in a zombie situation, man, you're going to have to make some tough fucking decisions Very fast. Yeah, like, and those decisions could, yeah, they might, suck Like. Dude, I didn't want to kill that kid but it's like, well, you're him, yeah, no, fuck that kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that kid. There are so many, there are going to be so many situations where being the good guy is going to get you killed.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't think there will be any good or bad. Well, like, some people will maybe try to play that game, but because you have to think, the preppers, they're going to be all set, they're going to be, they're going to be dug in, some will take survivors.
Speaker 2:Do you think the preppers, who have had their entire like arsenal, all their stockpiles, is showcased? You know, I think they're going to be massive fucking targets. People can figure out where they're from. I don't think most people are going to know, because you have to think like they keep it pretty anonymous on the show.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, ok good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got to think like but yeah, but they're friends and family break down, probably fairly quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how do you know anyone that knows how to read a fucking map anymore? Most people don't. Yeah, so like that's another very simple skill that most people don't even have. Like Google Maps isn't working right, like you can't rely on your phones anymore, or like that's. You know, maybe satellites, I don't know Maybe they have to update, but then suddenly they stop getting the update, so things are going to start being off. You know, maybe there's somebody that actually checks to make sure and then that shit, or like power, gets cut off so these satellites aren't, are no longer communicating. I don't know. I don't know the exact science of how that all works, but I feel like I lose internet signal just when it's like fucking storm out, like, so I imagine the apocalypse zombie apocalypse, you hear something just like you ever seen.
Speaker 2:Live for your die hard yeah.
Speaker 1:Is that the Bruce? The was one of the. Yeah, I didn't see it.
Speaker 2:Oh, they literally like. It's pretty much like a. It's a technological assault on the US terrorist and he bit like they shut down the power and the internet and they watch people go fucking nuts. That's see, that's what happened? And that's just. That's not even. There's no virus. There's no like people flip the fuck out Like you. Take away these modern like cushions we have. We're so goddamn dependent on that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's why the zombie thing is such a great parallel or metaphor for just Our society, because, you know, we don't need a zombie virus, just something crazy like that happened. Yeah, this is years and years ago. I was living, let's see, this would have been maybe the late 90s, early 2000, or had it been the late 90s, because of the whole East Coast lost power, oh wow, buffalo, we look for like two days in the summer and like dude, people were nuts, like I'm talking millions upon millions of cross, multiple states, no gas, like it was nuts. And it was just two days and just people went crazy and like, can you imagine and like it? During you know the pandemic, people are hoarding toilet paper and just being crazy, acting fucking crazy.
Speaker 1:So then let's think about a zombie apocalypse where, whether they're running after you or they're slowly scampering after you, it's like you just up the stakes because now people are like it's. I think that the terrifying thing about the zombie thing is like they're trying to like bite, like attack you you know what I mean Like they want you, man, they're coming after you and they're going to like tear you apart. I think that's the terrifying part, like of of anybody, or nobody wants to get it. Like, kill me if I get it, you know, like I don't want to be one of those things. What do you think it's like? Do you think there's any kind of consciousness? If they, if you were a zombie?
Speaker 1:yeah, I'd like to think there'd be any kind of imagine you like there's like what if you're trapped?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're trapped inside. You just watch yourself eat your family. Yeah, that'd be awful. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1:That's kind of funny.
Speaker 2:It's like a dormant yeah.
Speaker 1:You're just trying so hard not to be just ripping your five year old daughter's stomach open, just eating your guts.
Speaker 2:You see your dad at your mug. You're the counter, yeah.
Speaker 1:And your wife uses it to smash you in the face as you're eating her fucking jaw yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm numb man, we're painting such a beautiful picture. Oh hey, I forgot to bring up the whole long time. I forgot to bring this shit up. Ok, so guys get this. Ok. So the Pentagon and the military actually developed this thing called Conplan 8888. You can look it up. It is completely you can read it, because it was basically they were trying to teach people who design like what I don't know what, the counter, like any sort of like natural disaster or like terrorist attack or like country invading, as they design plans to essentially like combat any of these scenarios, and they had to develop something they couldn't use like real world countries or events, anything. They wanted to make it where people who were like junior how the fuck would I even word this whole thing? It's like a fictional training scenario.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so essentially, yeah, they go into like a very, very thorough plan about how they would respond to a zombie apocalypse. And they actually cover multiple types of zombies. I mean, it's like it's it's wild and you can read the entire world. It's called again, it's a Conplan 8888. It's like it's four eights.
Speaker 1:Conplan 8888. Yes, and it is people.
Speaker 2:It's. It's a little bit like apocalypse. It's how the government would respond it Ideally, if they could actually maintain Definitely martial law.
Speaker 1:I mean, I haven't done a hands down, obviously. How are you going to keep people who are starving in their fucking homes?
Speaker 2:They would try. I don't know. They did OK. I know like we outnumber.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but we're like, we're so used to authority, though Well, most a lot of people just listen.
Speaker 2:That's people who aren't Like watching their family star, like I'm just saying like yeah, I still think you know.
Speaker 1:OK, here's why, here's my.
Speaker 2:I think early on Sure.
Speaker 1:Here's my pushback on that. So I was watching a YouTube video a couple of weeks ago and this guy's a self-defense guy and he was kind of like he was basically saying you're only ever going to respond to a crisis scenario by by how you train. So he was using. It was like two or three months ago. Like that guy in France went through a park and was like literally stabbing babies and like you know, mom's always like I'm going to fucking, I'm going to turn to a mama. Well, like none of the moms did anything, like didn't try to stop them. One woman just did this really weak ass body check and fell and just screamed like that was going to do something, you know. And then, luckily, some guy chased after him, but that was after the fact.
Speaker 2:You think I get killed or not. I don't remember, I hope so.
Speaker 1:I don't remember. But the point is is nobody reacted the way they probably thought they did Most panicked and just collapsed. Yeah, didn't do anything. So I don't think a lot of people would get violent. I think that they're going to just Go sobering, yeah, very pathetically, into the night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, I think everyone has. I don't think if you train you're going to be able to utilize it appropriately. But I don't think Well, but getting your big, you know going around getting your fucking. I can't imagine how fucking awful what they went through was. Yeah, but I mean man like slowly getting back into a corner like starvation, like Potentially being I mean we're talking like the situation is kind of under control, like they they're patrolling the streets. Never under control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they're still like they are trying to implement some kind of martial law Because, like I imagine.
Speaker 1:I don't come out like, well, you know. Again, I guess it depended on how. If we're talking like the fast walk, the fast moving zombies, then I don't think them that would ever has time to really respond, like there might be. There might be a response from like the police, like special units or something, but I just I don't. I just think too many were too lethargic. I don't think we'd be able to handle it, man, it happened so fast and most people are not in shape. So you got these, these like zombie creatures that can actually run and jump over fences and like manipulate doorknobs and stuff like that. That's wild, yeah, man, you're totally not. That's not good, like, and I don't think, I think most people would just shut themselves in, yeah, and they would starve because they're like, I'm not going out there, I'll just starve you know, I couldn't make myself starve to death.
Speaker 2:I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 1:I would just carry a pistol with one bullet, shoot myself. Yeah, dude, totally. And see, that's tough. And like when you actually start thinking about it like it seems like the zombie apocalypse would be super fun, but then you start thinking about it like God, it would kind of suck, man, because like the good times are over, like I got to do all this work, now I got to find my food and a lot of it's going to go bad because it's.
Speaker 2:You know I mean how many people have a stockpile of.
Speaker 1:All the meat and the meat markets that's going to spoil all the stuff in the colds, in the cold and freezer stuff. That's all gone, like that's going to rot, get bad. And so then you have spam Kansas, you know better, fucking like spam. Yeah, you know eggs, commercial eggs are going to, they're going to rot because I mean, you know they, they rinse them, and eggs, like, when a hand lays an egg, it's already got a protective barrier over it. So as long as you don't wash that egg, it'll last for Like a like a month, maybe longer. Yeah, they don't go bad. But when you wash them, like all these, like the, so those eggs are immediately going to be bad and they're just going to rot, you know. So your food choices are going to be limited.
Speaker 1:If you don't know how to hunt, you're screwed. If you don't know how to process an animal, I think you're in a lot of trouble, right? If you don't know how many people know how to do that, not no one, like barely anybody. If you don't know how to garden, you're probably in trouble. That's the thing, and so that's what I think is the best way to do it. That's the thing, and so that's what I think about with like a zombie of survival and getting into a group of people who have different roles. You need to have people that are, that have skills, and you're going to have to make that hard decision to be like OK, what did you do? You worked at a bank. Ok, what else did you do? Like I golf on the weekends, yeah, all right. Well, fuck you. You kicked that fucker out. That's dead weight they have. They have nothing to offer. You're going to eat up your fucking food, man.
Speaker 1:If they don't have any mechanical skills and it's no, it's not enough that we could hold security and it's like can you shoot?
Speaker 2:this yeah, can you even swim? I mean you can swing a golf club. Can you think it's hard enough to?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so many things to consider.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, and that's why it's important to have your own skills. I mean, I'd like to think medically I'd be able to offer some sort of yeah, totally yes, I mean the medical skills would probably be one of the tops.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tell the survivors like, look, I'm a nurse, so like you're come with us, like we need medical attention, yeah, but then again I'm not going to have.
Speaker 2:I can do stuff. I'm not going to have any. I mean obviously I don't even do any stitches, I'm not. I mean I could probably. I could probably put sutures in, yeah, but like, if you don't have any medicine, I mean if I had like an IV bag, I could run a gravity drip you know, nobody's going to care.
Speaker 1:They're just going to hear a nurse and like, yep, you're with us, yeah, and then you just fake it. Yeah, but what I could fake it, dude. You know, if you're like, oh my God, these guys are going to kill me if they find out, I'm not like I like to just fake it. I don't know, he was weak, sorry man.
Speaker 2:The stuff makes me shit. We're not the amputate, dude, I'm sorry. Like we're taking it off, sorry, bro. Trust me, dude, you couldn't. Even even if you took someone's leg up to be, they'd be dead and you might as well just fucking get rid of him, Like unless they have a tourniquet. But you know what I'm saying. Like even if you turn a kit for long enough, you're killing that tissue. I mean, someone with one leg is like they are done Like dead weight. Didn't Herschel have one leg? Yes, he did.
Speaker 1:Rick had, and he got his fucking head cut off with a samurai sword.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, Did he get his armor leg cut?
Speaker 1:off, I think Herschel.
Speaker 2:I thought it was his leg. Yeah, he got bit, didn't he? And Rick had to sell off.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and then the governor got his fucking head off. That's brutal, bro, damn Herschel. The show was good at that time. That actor, I think, legit passed away Herschel, he did For real. Yeah, yeah, it was such a bummer when he got axed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like when he got to kill Herschel like that, so fucking hurt let's just you know, the governor was the best. The comic books that was supposed to be Tyrese. They switched. Really. Did you read the comics? No, I just know the fun facts. I'm down with my dream.
Speaker 1:I've got a few issues. I got issue 100 where they introduced Negan, and then that's the same issue he bashes Glenn's brains, in which I was really surprised that they. It was pretty, it was super graphic in the comic and they managed to kind of capture it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like eyeballs hanging. Yeah, I love you, man.
Speaker 1:Get out of here with your hallmark bullshit. Fake ass. Love sentiment.
Speaker 2:Here comes this fucking barbed wire rap baseball bat on your fucking head. Was it Lucille? Lucille, exactly, lucille the bat.
Speaker 1:I made a Lucille. It's somewhere it might be in my storage stuff. Would that be a good zombie apocalypse weapon?
Speaker 2:Barbed wire is not going to penetrate. I mean it could.
Speaker 1:Maybe if you just start creating distance, but I feel like it's super impractical man.
Speaker 2:Man, what is? I feel, like I said, like guns are going to draw, especially if you're in a densely populated like. If you shoot a gun you might as well just you're fucked if they're going to be.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's the thing I think if you're by yourself, you do everything in your power to not have to even interact with a zombie. Yeah, like rely on stealth and hiding just because you know you don't know how many are around there. What if they're kind of dispersed? And then they you're fucking, you're fucking went up and like what if they give off a pheromone or something? Wasps like if you kill one, like they give off a pheromone and the other ones are like oh, our boys in trouble, we're going to fuck you up now. Yeah, it's like what if zombies had something like?
Speaker 2:that I'd like to think they don't, they couldn't communicate. I mean, like obviously we can't do that. I mean, actually we do have pheromones, technically, humans do have pheromones. We don't really realize it, we do, but I don't yeah, like it's not very sure, but like I would.
Speaker 1:if I was by myself and like I was going on a little mission, I'd be, I'd just do everything in my power to not even worry about it, maybe if I could get like a knife kill or something. But like I'd have to be, I wouldn't even want to, didn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't want to take the risk. Yeah, I mean like one solid message You're fucked, yeah, so I, you know.
Speaker 1:But if you're in a group, boy see, that's the problem, because then you're having to trust that they're all going to be quiet and quiet. Someone always fucks it up, always, always, so you can't even count on that. Knock something over. You know, like you, fucking idiot, you know that's when you push them into the zombies and then run, shoot them in the leg man.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you fucked up. You're going to be you're going to be the distraction.
Speaker 1:There you go. Sometimes you got to be shamed, you got to be shamed, you got to be shamed. I think that's the route to go. Like that's harsh, yeah, but I think when you take the chain approach, it's like going to be very harsh in the beginning but then in the long term you're going to have a really solid core group of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a tough group of I mean tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But then if you establish that cut through attitude like what happens, if you like, that could very easily like backfire you know like, because then it's like a survival of the fittest, like it'd be like in a fucking.
Speaker 1:It's already. It's already survival of the fittest. True, yeah, yeah, but I got to think there's going to be, certainly there's going to be, plenty of groups of people that cooperate. Right, I mean, surely you have to like the, like the Mormons and the LDS, like I feel like they definitely cooperate.
Speaker 2:And if a wall built so fast?
Speaker 1:there's a hole up in their church. Yeah, like the sci-fi church, fucking Mormon. Mormonism is a sci-fi religion, bro. It's literally a sci-fi religion. It's wild Egypt. And alien.
Speaker 2:Who was it? Who was Joseph? Something? Joseph Smith, joseph.
Speaker 1:Smith, bro, he liked little girls. You got chased out of town for that shit Awesome Pedophile.
Speaker 2:Pedophiles and religion. Get the fuck out of here. No way, no way. It's almost like that's a theme.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, joe Rogan has talked about it. He's like every fucking cult member always has sex with everyone's wives. It's crazy how that works. Zero cults have ever existed without the fact that their leader is a guy who's fucking other dude's wives. It always goes that way. It always goes that way. What kind of cult do you think would pop up from a zombie apocalypse?
Speaker 2:First of all, the whispers are fucking stupid idea. I hate that shit.
Speaker 1:I think maybe Do you think people would worship the zombies? Do you think they would see them as like, oh, we can't hurt them, we should be nice to them. I bet you there would be people like that.
Speaker 2:Hopefully, I think, from lack of intellect, I think they would die pretty fast.
Speaker 1:Well they would yeah, but I just I'm saying I think there's probably people that would be like no, but they have feelings.
Speaker 2:Like you don't think that they're probably worthy. I'd be like Ben should appear on the corner like facts. Don't care about your feelings, they will consume you.
Speaker 1:That's a pure poppin' up out of nowhere Fucking yamaka. God, motherfuckers definitely dying first. Oh god, shit, he's definitely getting killed. Yeah, he's not exactly a prime, he's weak man, he's kind of weak. I doubt he's got any survival skills. I don't think he can use any weapons. At least Lex Friedman's got jiu-jitsu and he's smart as fuck. Yeah, he is, so he's probably got some good mechanical skills to add to the team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, there's so much useful shit you could offer. I feel like one thing about being like if you're prepping, like if people, if a lot of people, know that you have shit, like you already got a target on your back, you know like that's the hard part, yeah, but who's going to know you have stuff? Uh, I mean, if you talk about it a lot, you know what I'm saying. Like or if you're one of those people who actually still have a little bit of a gut, maybe, like you're not like super in shape, they're going to see like this guy Pretty fucking healthy, where you getting all your food from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you might need to share that buddy. You know like I mean, how easily would a group turn on you if they realized you had some extra food stock piled in there?
Speaker 1:How do you think it spreads worldwide the apocalypse?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that depends on how fast they turn, if it's like World War Z I don't know Because didn't someone get bit going on a plane? Or something. Well, yeah, but that's like seven. They turn in seven seconds. It's retardant. Yeah, that's super fast. Yeah, I think I kind of like the slow process. That makes more sense, obviously, yeah, someone could ride a plane from one coast to the other and still be, you know, spread the whole virus thing without the whole plane going down like that movie.
Speaker 1:I wonder how long it would take for them to shut down transportation once they realized it was like it was getting out of control.
Speaker 2:Man, if you were like flying from like a major city to a major city, I feel like that would probably be. You know, someone flips out in the airport and bites the other. You know, and you know the plane. There's already someone infected on the way over and they're just ready to take off.
Speaker 1:They're like dude, we're getting out of here, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean man, I want to. I got this random hobo fucking bit me on the way to the airport.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean that was like in Zombieland, remember, where he lets the girl in. Yeah, she's like some homeless guy bit me and he was like, oh, and then she fucking tries to kill him. Yeah, that was a great scene.
Speaker 2:But that's a great movie. He was just so excited, Just like there's a girl in here.
Speaker 1:Do you think there would be? You know, I feel like that's what a survival would turn into, like you'd have to find ways to have fun. Yeah, Because you know the walking dead is so serious, so grim all the time, which gets kind of old and lame, and you're like, okay, dude, people wouldn't be like they would literally find they would be have fun. Yeah, you'd have to have motherfuckers be making jokes. I mean like, look, you'd have to. You'd have to have a very dark sense of humor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man let's make a game out of killing them, pin the tail on the zombies and shit, and just like, like in Zombieland, they stop at the gift shop and like let's destroy it, like that would be so much fun, exactly. And then you go into the grocery store to go do some hunting and just kill the zombies in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I don't. I think I would definitely like any. Any interaction with the zombies would be have to be somewhat serious.
Speaker 1:Well, the interactions would have to be. And sure everyone's gonna be sad like, oh, my family's dead, you know whatever, so is everybody else's bro, come on Quick crying about it. Yeah, like like that's in the past. Okay, we're living in the present.
Speaker 2:That was 20 minutes ago.
Speaker 1:We're living in the present. How many positive motivation people do you think would be fucking alive, like could be. Like all right, listen guys, all we got to do, we just, we just have to think success, positive affirmations, okay, you can do this, the motherfucker going down. That's how quickly you'll see that self help shit disappear.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, man, I mean, you know this thing with the rating though, like if you, if you know someone has a bunch of weapons, like damn, how the fuck do you approach going at them? You know, like, I feel like nighttime would be a very dangerous, especially in like a Well, I see, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Didn't zombies sleep in the day or something? Weren't they less active in their time?
Speaker 2:There were some that were like they had some of the movies.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, let's, let's assume that they keep human circadian rhythms, so nighttime they're trying to chill.
Speaker 2:Don't sleep in something like.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, well, but, but, but they always make zombies like oh, they're going to a mall because they have these latent memories, okay, yeah, yeah, that's kind of weird. Yeah, I mean like the wall. They always kind of like you know they're. Oh, look at the zombies returning to like you know what I mean. It's like what if they're, I think it's black Friday, you know they're all together I had to trample each other.
Speaker 1:You get bit by the zombie. You, just, you just think about the mall. No, nowadays it'd be shopping on Amazon, so I don't even like hardly even exist anymore. Yeah, I know it sucks. So people, I guess we wouldn't have to worry about it. It's people just go in their house and click on their computer and just return it. Fucking powers up and you're like walking like bro. What are you fucking doing? Just click.
Speaker 2:Have you seen Sean of the dead, the end, where he's playing the games?
Speaker 1:and his buddies right there. That's a good one. Oh, it's such a classic yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, but the thing I can look at people in the you know yeah, people in the UK, though, like what are the? I mean, they literally are just going to have a lot of knives or a lot of yeah, they're going to have some problems.
Speaker 1:They're going to steal shit from the government and like how much fucking I'm.
Speaker 2:I don't man most of.
Speaker 1:Europe is like that, like most of Europe. You know, I don't think they're very. They might have like shotguns and hunting rifles, but shotguns.
Speaker 2:Another thing like I mean, if you're throwing slugs down and you're fairly accurate, close range, okay, but buckshot, you know you're not going to have a guaranteeing, guaranteed brain destruction, I suppose.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, even if it's well, because buckshot isn't necessarily going to kill you. Yeah, you know, especially if they're like the fast moving zombies, they're just going to piss them off. Yeah, Like bitch, what did you just do? I'm going to chase you through this wall just run through the wall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I fucking slugged though, like surely if you landed anywhere, yeah Done.
Speaker 1:You're definitely going to take a limb off. Yeah, if you're close enough.
Speaker 2:Maybe take a leg off. What are they going to?
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, bro, you can get away from that shit Totally. I don't know. I think for me, man, my ultimate goal in the zombie apocalypse like you got to get a good core group of people. It's like the game dammit dude, I'm going to forget it it's on. You can download it on XBOX state of decay. That's a fun one. I love that game. I played state of decay to door. Checking zombies is such a fun time. But then it's like it's a strategy based game. Like you got to go out and get supplies Medical we need medical, yes, medical character. If they get hurt, they got a rest, then they slow down and you can't you know what I mean. And like cars get damaged and then they run out of gas and it's like I'd say for a simulator, like that's pretty good, yeah, because you're like you're going to have to direct allocate your resources.
Speaker 2:Allocate your people like what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Everybody's got roles. Your different decisions can affect the outcome of different things. And like, I think because in that zombie survival you're going to have to have a group of people You're just going to eventually, you know, maybe maybe your initial escape Say maybe you don't have a family, you're like me and you're just like a single person, or you're like your family's not around and all you have to do is worry about yourself. I think in the, I think in the early stages, that's going to be like an advantage, Like being by yourself without having any attachments. You're like okay, all I need to do is think about survival. Once you can be on the city, say, like you know in the suburbs, because, remember, even if you get out of the city, most cities are surrounded by suburbs, so you're still going to have to navigate the suburbs, you know, which can be complicated in itself, and interstates are going to be out of the question.
Speaker 2:Oh, the interstates totally out of the question. In cities at least, I mean outside would be maybe.
Speaker 1:But then once you get beyond the suburbs, you start getting those maybe little less sparsely populated areas. You're eventually, I think, at that point. That's when you start looking to join a group. You know you look for other survivors, like you're kind of beyond the immediate danger. You know, maybe you've got some supplies, you're by yourself, so it's like you know it's going to probably be fairly easy to go look for shit, for food, because you don't have to worry about anyone else but yourself. And then but but yeah, you're definitely going to have to, like you're going to have to find a group. You know, I think that's a must.
Speaker 2:What are the odds of me? I noticed that in the walking dead they had a jail on them, Like that's Super convenient but defensible. I mean like if you go on a jail, like, what are the odds of like all those prisoners are going to be dead?
Speaker 1:I'm sure there's a, I think, in walking dead. I feel like they had escaped or something Like they broke down one of the three.
Speaker 2:There's like three or four prisoners there was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was still some in there. They're kind of rotted though. They're pretty rotted though, weren't they?
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, they were, there were some alive. You know, like there was like remember, those prison Rick had, rick had.
Speaker 1:That's right. They were holding them. Yes, that's right. I think most of them are getting the fuck out of there. I don't think anyone stay in the prison if they can get out, yeah. But then it's like Do they even open this? Like do they lock them down and just leave them there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You know, that's one thing you're like. Ok, maybe the government, the police, all these people like these are all people with families and friends they have. You think they're going to fucking let their family get fucked up to save you?
Speaker 1:Not at all. Fuck you, dude. Like that's what happened in New Orleans, you know, after those major earthquakes or hurricanes, is like a lot of those cops are like fuck this, yeah, we're we're, you're on your own.
Speaker 2:My family needs water too. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Like you know, my family's just as much danger. So I think you're right. I think we'd see a big breakdown. Yeah, with, with like this civil authority and people like sorry dude, like like being rams you know he was a cop and he was trying to get to his brother yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. But, like you know, if, like, if your family is like five states away and they're safe in your National Guard, ok, maybe if it's fairly contained. But, like, for the most part, if the shit's going to move so fast, I don't think you're going to be able to mobilize in time to. I mean, if it can't be controlled, like people are going to go to their families, yes, so I think so OK, so I think it helps.
Speaker 1:You got to find a good group of people to survive with Right. You should have at least I think I would rather have a rifle over a sidearm. You know, if I had to choose one or the other and I only had action, some automatic, some automatic, probably some automatic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, high cap magazines, would you go fully kitted?
Speaker 1:That's a lot of weight. That's a lot of weight. I would. I would strip down only to the most absolutely necessary.
Speaker 2:No, armor, probably not a. Would you do a tactical rig? Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:If I had, if I had acts, I'd probably have play carrier.
Speaker 2:Would you actually put plates in it, though? Probably, at least for?
Speaker 1:a little while yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you figure out where especially you're right, especially going through the cities and the suburbs, because you know, I think someone could just they might not even be shooting people, just shooting guns, just in general, you know. So probably and I definitely have a day pack with probably I would prefer to have like freeze dried food or something, or beef jerky. You'd have to be stuff that's like super easy to eat, like a bunch of cliff bars, and you know, because you gotta think, man, in that initial, that initial part, it's just the only goal is to get the fuck out. Yep, like you got to get away from the populations because that's going to be the biggest risk. And then, once you pass those populations, you can then kind of maybe reassess your supply situation, maybe think about like, oh, let me hunker down for a day or two to you know, and then an angle from there, and then reassess the situation, probably keep moving. Would you rush to?
Speaker 2:store early on if you realized about like a dollar general, something simple that I would.
Speaker 1:I would have to get into a position where I was concealed and I'd watch it for a while. Really yeah.
Speaker 2:Just to see. Yeah, most people are just everybody sprinting in and out like you got Nah.
Speaker 1:I would just, I would just leave it, I wouldn't bother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but how much of me even think about how much food do you have here Like shit man? You know how much like that would be worth to some people if you had like a whole bunch of canned food a whole bunch of freeze dried food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just seems too risky.
Speaker 2:It is risky, yeah, I'd probably go like yeah, but the fucking main, or dollar general, how fucking crazy you think that you're. I mean, oh here, yeah, yeah, all the guns I'd probably be fine, yeah, all the guns.
Speaker 1:I think people are going to be coming out here. Yeah, like that's the only thing. Like St Louis is two and a half hours away, but I don't see. I think most people wouldn't be able to get out of there. They'd get stuck. And then they'd get stuck in the suburbs and even if some manage to trickle down here, they don't know where to go. They don't know what to fucking do down here. They don't know where to go, like they're not going to just turn down some random dirt road.
Speaker 2:Oh, this looks like a great place to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bet you, there's a ton of supplies down here and this is some angry redneck shooting you to death. Yeah, get the fuck out of here, because I promise you the people down here are going to be like are you from the city? Get the fuck out. Yep, locals will help the locals, but they probably won't help the city people, man.
Speaker 2:I mean, what are they going to provide Exactly?
Speaker 1:I mean half the people down here are poor as fuck. Yeah, like bitch. What do you think I got, motherfucker? Yeah, I got fleas and ticks. That's what we got up in, this motherfucker.
Speaker 1:My kids got headlighted, so I'm hunkering down here, dude, like, if I'm in the situation I'm in, I'm hunkering down to my place, you know, because I can hunt deer rabbit. I got plenty of wildlife. Fuck your dogs. Your dogs will kill rabbits for you here, and they have. Yeah, absolutely, I'll kill the rabbits and bring them to me. So, like I'm already in a really good spot and I would, I would definitely host people, like I know, like if strangers came, I probably would kill them immediately. I'm just, I just don't think it'd be worth the risk.
Speaker 2:A single guy Looks like he's starving, I'd kill him. Yep A kid, he was a little bit like I don't care who they are.
Speaker 1:Dude, I would definitely not want to take care of a kid, so that kid's on his own.
Speaker 2:Maybe I won't kill him. You don't know who's scouting. You don't know who's.
Speaker 1:Well, that's true, but I'm not taking any chances, man. I'm like fuck that, there's no room for niceness here, like I only got enough food for me.
Speaker 2:This is making me want to buy more guns and long like long term food supplies.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing with that is, though, like if you have to leave us a place, you can't carry all those guns with you. Just, you know it's like yeah, but in the hunker down scenario.
Speaker 2:You know the hunker down yeah. And I load everything in my vehicle and go out to where I would plan on going Right.
Speaker 1:Um take everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I would assume, when you can get. Well, I guess even like, let's say, from Walnut Ridge, you'd probably be okay. Yeah, cause Walnut Ridge is exactly a big town.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean I just. I mean I live in an apartment, so you know, I would not want to be. I would not want to be where I'm at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think people living in smaller cities have a better chance of getting out, yeah.
Speaker 2:Plus, I mean, what the fuck is around Walnut Ridge? I mean, unless someone was like it's just flat, feels, yeah, it's fucking.
Speaker 1:Rice fields, rice fields, nothing it's stuck in the mud over there, dude? Yeah, but again, all the people from the cities are going to be looking for places like this. Yeah, and I think you're going to see like clashes between city people and country people, along with zombies, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got the ammo, buddy God.
Speaker 1:There's so many things to think about, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's still, it's very I feel like it was very entertaining. It's like it was good. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1:What are we at, man? I think we're over two hours now.
Speaker 2:But you didn't think this episode was going to go that far, did you no?
Speaker 1:It was good though. Yeah, but there's so much to think about with zombies, it's a ridiculous thing to talk about. But like hey, man, you never know. Because it's like how would you really react to a scenario, like a situation like that and I you know it's fun to talk about, but when you, I think, when you really think about it, you're like it would really fucking suck man. It really would man, Because everything you know is going to change, People are dead and like, like you're probably going to have to kill a lot more, right?
Speaker 1:And it's like do you have, do you have that switch? Yeah, like, do you have the switch to do that man? It's like, and if you don't, then you're, yeah, you're going to be compromised, it's going to be a problem?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to switch my. I just thought about this. Like on my rifle, I keep a holographic on there, but I'm going to switch that out. I'm going to eat iron sights. That's battery. The battery's going to fucking die.
Speaker 1:Yes, and shooting with iron sights, that's a skill Takes practice.
Speaker 2:I prefer, I much prefer. I mean you could use scope.
Speaker 1:I mean that's fine, but I mean In the Marine Corps we had to qualify on iron sights at 500 yards. Wow, yeah, and how big of a target. Fucking tiny. I mean it's a big target 500 yards is very small, yeah, super, like the size of a rabbit. Oh my God, yeah, so we do. It was a hundred, 300, 500, I believe, is what the distances are, because from the 300, we have to do standing and kneeling. I'm assuming 500, you're prone, prone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then the 100, actually the 100 might have been kneeling or standing, I mean and then I think maybe the 300 kneeling God, it's been so long. But yes, there's all these skills you're going to want to have. That's why it just look, it pays to know stuff. It pays to know how to do things. It pays to be an asset. It's like, oh, I talk about being an asset In a zombie apocalypse. You better be an asset, because nobody wants liabilities around you. You can't provide something.
Speaker 2:No man, nobody can give you a fuck. You're like get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:You can't cook your food if you can't fix critical things like generators.
Speaker 2:Cooking food, you're going to use it in a fire, right, it's just to start a fire, right, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Or if you cook food that's going to smell, especially that's going to attract people and it might attract the wrong kind of people yeah, man Hunger.
Speaker 2:People smell food, smell fucking steak cooking. They're like, yeah, that sounds pretty good. I might just take that. I don't smell like no human cooking Molotov cocktail. That's a great one.
Speaker 1:You know. The thing about that, though, is like if you catch a zombie on fire, it's not going to die right away, it's going to walk around on fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If it catches all your shit on fire.
Speaker 2:Would you burn bodies just to be sure, or not, if they're around your homestead?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. I have a designated body burning area because, dude, it's stink. I think I'll bad down smell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would just burn it just for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you burn it it might smell kind of bad, like charred flesh. You might get kind of hungry, but it's better than smelling rotting flesh. Rotting flesh is dude. It's the worst In just that summertime. You're like bloated bodies and you're like you should probably burn it. Yeah, reduce, and you know that reduces incidents of any kind of disease occurrence.
Speaker 2:Well, if you lose, you have to burn If you lose, you'd have to have if you were in any sort of building and you were trapped in there. You'd have to have some sort of waste if you couldn't go outside much. Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1:How do they handle that and walk in dead? Do they just gloss over that like everything else? Yeah, Like they gloss over, like how they get gas and stuff Trash bags.
Speaker 2:You actually have trash bags and throw it in a certain location.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean like what I mean? People who get. Yeah, you got to think about the waste you're creating. Yeah, because you got to think, like toilets, they all rely on electricity. You know, pump water back into the tank, you wouldn't be able to flush any mean.
Speaker 2:You could flush but you wouldn't be able to Right. You'd flush but I wouldn't be filled back up when the power goes out and you'd be fucked.
Speaker 1:So here's a little. Here's a little survival tip. Say, you're out and about and you're like fucking, you're in the suburbs and they're deserted. Now and it's deep into the apocalypse and it's not looking good and you need water. Just water tanks. People's water tanks in their house Yep, there's going to be water. Hot water heaters typically 40 gallons Yep, it's going to be water.
Speaker 2:If you are in an area where something is starting to happen, I would immediately fill up your bathtub. So, most maximum capacity. Yes, not use it. Yep, extra water. Yeah, there you go. There's another. How many gallons?
Speaker 1:How many gallons of tub can? I'll probably quite a bit. Yeah, hundreds, maybe 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100 gallons. Yeah, there you have that. Typically it's good for cooking and drinking to have, I think, at least a gallon a day per person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so here's. I can tell you so when I was living on the road, I boondocked most of the time, so I'd be off for weeks, and a seven gallon water cube lasted me for about a week, so about a gallon a day. I could get away with it If you were, even if you and I was even sharing with my dogs too. Yeah, so that's actually. That's pretty, pretty fucking solid. Not bad about a gallon gallon and a half.
Speaker 2:So if you're rationing, you can probably get away with a lot less A lot yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think it's going to be discipline. I think you could go pretty far, but yeah, there's all kinds of little hacks, yeah, like water tank. Yeah, to make rain collection systems too. Definitely You'll need a filtration system for sure, because I mean sand charcoal socks they make. But or you can get a life straw. I got life straws all over. I have actually looked at those.
Speaker 1:I have. I've got the classic life straw, so if anyone doesn't know the life straw, you can literally just drink water out of a puddle. It's. They give them out in African stuff. They're really, really cool.
Speaker 2:I was about to joke about that. So they actually do get in people in Africa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they buy one and they just give that to them, yeah, and because it's anti-microbial, parasitic and all that stuff. And then I've got a gallon catch bag that I can just hold a bunch of water in it and that filters out, so a life straw. Oh, what are those little tablets they put into it to iodine?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's iodine tablets. You can use that to purify your water.
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, I think it's iodine. It is Because, like you, you can't assume you're going to always be able to boil your water. Yep, yeah. I mean nowadays I mean dude there's so many contaminated water sources Like that's a problem.
Speaker 2:I mean there's cities that have I know they have gravity, like water towers and stuff, but eventually that's with no one refilling shit. It's going to run out, yeah.
Speaker 1:You're going to be fucked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's one thing I mean, like you are never going to stop needing a large surplus of water, and no matter how many gallons you have, it's just food, I mean everything.
Speaker 1:Like you got to think, if you're going to hold out on this apocalypse, you better have a really solid, very long-term plan, because it's going to have to last the rest of your life. Yeah, 50 pound bag of rice. I got to live this plan out the next 50 years here, like let's get this, let's get this. Shit, I can't rely. Like you know, none of the corn is going to regrow because it's all GMO. Fucking, one shot seed, you know. So it's not like like shit, shit, I can't grow back. Thanks, what's that? What's that company? Oh, monsanto, thanks, monsanto Bear, monsanto, purdue, all those fuckers.
Speaker 2:And they say that if you were, if we were to go to a random planet in order to actually repopulate and regrow the human race, like completely, it would take 99 people to like actually read it. I mean because if you take a mind, if you just take your family out there, it's like, well, we're waiting to die unless we, you know, get a lot of Menevon and you know you get kind of weird. So I think we're repopulating, yeah, you know, so that I could say that take, say I take a group of 99, 97, something like that people in order to actually unrelated people to actually repopulate a planet or populate planet.
Speaker 1:You know, that was the unique thing about 28 weeks later, or 28 days later is at the end of it. Remember how the plane flies over and you realize like, oh, it must just be isolated to Great Britain. You know, and I even in the second one, so I'm saying it's like, if it happens, say that the center was here, it's probably going to be China, Cause, let's be honest, everything comes out of China. But like China, China, the Chinese and you can buy a China.
Speaker 1:So you got to think, like what if it originates somewhere in the U? S? And like how does it, how does it cross the continent, you know? So what? Yeah, so we'd have to get bitten by some random effect.
Speaker 2:And we destroy this entire side of the planet that we could make. Let it migrate. I don't think it would. Canada be a place to be really hard to spread. I mean they're so minimally populated All the cities would be fucked still but yeah, canada would be a good place to go. Mexico, canada be good, mexico might be all right. Yeah, I mean, there's so much desert.
Speaker 1:You know very dry, yeah, and you know they. Probably the corpses would probably desiccate faster, like zombies would probably dry up faster. And those they're baking out and drawing, yeah, literally, if we're talking classic zombies, if we're talking the pissed off ones, like they don't matter, they'll just be sprinting through the sand. Oh, you know what? Another one of my favorite zombies is a resident evil, the one where they're in the desert. Ooh, I've not seen that one. I think it was revelation where they're, like they're going out to Vegas. That's my favorite one, really. Yeah, that was a good one. Like cause they're holding up in an underground bunker or like umbrella is. And then what's the girl's name? Mia Jojovich. Yes, she's with a group of survivors and they're like in semis and like they got a gas truck tanker and they're all like played it out and Kind of like Mad Max yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, totally like. It's totally Mad Max. Yeah, well, you know, resident evil they're the cheesiest movies they really are. God, they're so awful. But that one was fun to watch. That was the only fun one I liked watching. They're cheesy fun, you know. Yeah, like the storyline got all weird and like there's actually a hundred million of me.
Speaker 1:Like there's a ton of copies of the girl, right. Yeah, there's like clones of her. I cannot tell you have watched. Yeah, there's like all kinds of clones over and stuff. And it's like all right, cause that's what that one was tackling, though I think it was revelation, cause it was there experimenting with clones of the girl, and then she's got like psychic powers and stuff and yeah, man, they went off the rails on that. Didn't this start off with zombies? Yeah, it's supposed to. Yeah, but all right, what else? What else was with zombies, man?
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, we have hit a lot. I mean I was kind of going into the book just a minute ago. I mean we've had a lot of different stuff. Yeah, horses, god damn, I didn't think about that. That might be pretty solid. You mentioned bicycles, man horses, you gotta feed them.
Speaker 1:You gotta feed them. And then who knows how to ride a horse? Like you gotta know how to ride a horse. I don't like horses. I don't know how to ride a horse. There's a certain way you gotta approach them, yeah, like I just don't see horses being very practical For those for those Sorry.
Speaker 1:I think a bicycle is the best it's. It's. Look, dude, it's got everything you need. It's got it's. It's got your ability to take you somewhere. Yeah, you gotta use your weak ass bitch legs, but like, get over it, you know what I mean. It doesn't require any fuel other than you. It doesn't really. You know, it's not going to buck you off of it. You know what I mean? Like in a fairly simple to operate, all I got to do is pedal and hit the brakes, and this I mean. I just think it's. I think it's just a. It's kind of a no brainer If you're in a very congested area and you got to get out fast and get a bicycle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people can catch you on a bicycle. I feel like if you're hauling, ass now.
Speaker 1:But I mean, yeah, If you're hauling ass, not really, but I think yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean there's always that risk, but it's like I mean, I think about one of the more iconic scenes. Okay, the walking dead starts, rick's trying to find people. He rides that horse. He does ride the horse and he just turns a corner and boom. I remember that, yeah. He gets bucked off or whatever. Yeah, I mean how. If, like you, run into something like that, I think horses.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean they're practical if you live out where we're at. I mean they spook I mean, yeah, they spook.
Speaker 2:If you guys want to know how to approach a horse, guys make sure it's like fairly wild and approach it directly from behind. Okay, guys, yeah, and then you'll be great. Okay, they love it when you do that. So I guess I might kick in the head here, but you know, it's what happens, yeah, they listen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not big on the horses. Most people have access to horses, no.
Speaker 2:I don't know. They're just, they're so expensive and it's like I have a four wheeler I mean I wouldn't be good at on the bike.
Speaker 1:I think a motorcycle would be like the next best bet. Oh, that's like that. But again. Most people are going to have a motorcycle and it's not like.
Speaker 2:Man, you can, we get it out of traffic. You can keep a bike in your apartment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can just shoulder that fucker and run down the stairs and just get the hell out of there, you know. But I think a motorcycle is pretty good. It's like it's up there because it's small. Have a dirt bike, man, you can take it off. Well, I got my Yamaha XT250, man, it's a dual, dual purpose bike, you know. I mean, it's a dirt bike just with headlights and that's it. That's so cool, man.
Speaker 2:I've always wondered. I had a dream about riding one of those last fun dude. Yeah, actually, I'm selling mine. Yeah, how much, bro? I don't know, I've never been like 1500, 1600.
Speaker 1:200. Take it, it's a nice bike, it's a good shape man.
Speaker 2:I've never. I've never rode before. It's something that just intrigued me. They're fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just the 250 is too small, it's just doesn't. I see you as a Harley guy, I just the 250 is really fun. I got it for was living on the road, but it's just underpowered. Like good luck driving on the highway with it because it struggles to do 70.
Speaker 2:This is Christ, how fast you fucking drive.
Speaker 1:Well I, it was my only other form of transportation on the road. I'd have to get on the highway. I mean it's 85 miles an hour South Dakota so. South Dakota. Oh my God, all out West. Yeah, dude, it's like 80 miles an hour, the speed limit once you're out there.
Speaker 2:I've seen 70. I've never seen 80.
Speaker 1:I've seen 75. 85 by 80.
Speaker 2:I've ran 80 plenty of times yeah.
Speaker 1:Typically man out in South Dakota and Wyoming and shit like 80. Damn dude, it's wide open. It's a flat, wide open highway. It's how most interstates are, but out there it's just it's. I know that's a different level More, yeah, dude, like it's mind bogglingly flat. You just see forever feels like forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. That's why I believe in the flat earth, you know.
Speaker 1:That's a price, mitchell.
Speaker 2:Like you go like any. Bravo kicks in the door like motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:There's a 10th planet. That's why I named it 10th planet. What Planet? Noboru Nooburu, the planet that supposedly the Anunnaki live on, and it only comes in or over to every.
Speaker 2:I just heard about the Anunnaki earlier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, they're in the Epic of Gilgamesh. They're just, they're like a cabal of gods. And then people are like, oh my God, aliens Like okay, dude.
Speaker 2:Holy, I was watching a video that was about if you've ever heard of the guy Taren Towered. No, he's an actor, right, he's played. He played the original Iron man. He's the the African American guy.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, apparently he is like a self-proclaimed scientist, he's been trying to prove.
Speaker 2:I'm a self-proclaimed scientist, exactly, and that's, you identify the scientist. So he's been trying to prove for like 10 years that one times one is two. He has a whole. He has a whole, fucking like dude, this guy has a whole. They caught terriology. Okay, it's like actually a thing. And he and he referenced he actually released a paper about some of this stuff and in the paper like an actual supposed to be a research like scientific paper he talked about the on a knocky man.
Speaker 1:They thought that's where 10th planet comes from. That's a while. I had no idea Eddie Bravo's into that shit, so that's why I called 10th planet.
Speaker 1:I know it's a huge conspiracy theory buff, but I didn't know that's the name behind. Because I want to say Joe Rogan talked about one of those episodes and he told he gave him the name of that. Well, him and Joe Rogan are like super close. I know I've seen your episodes. Yeah, like, joe Rogan was there when he beat one of the Gracie's. Oh, you know, he wasn't supposed to yeah Down at ACC. Yeah, yeah, and that was in Brazil, I think, and rebate them and then and then yeah, and that because, like Eddie Bravo is the one who got Rogan the smoke weed. Yeah, like, which is hilarious. I know that. I think Rogan just did it always. He's like no, it wasn't until like mid 30s he started fucking smoking and shit.
Speaker 2:Crazy. It's like look at me, he's fucking chilled out now. Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the dude's 56 and he looks great man. Like you know, he's got all this influence on people's shit on him sometimes. But yeah, I think it could be a dick sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how it goes, man. I think we probably make better podcasts.
Speaker 1:That'd be nice, right? Yeah, I think we get the biggest name guests.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we get Chuck Norris coming on next week. Chuck Norris, we're going to teach him how to be tough. Yeah, I think he wasn't actually a pretty big proponent of Jiu-Jitsu when it first came over. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's the one who invited like a bunch of the Gracie's up to the States. That's so cool, yeah. And then he yeah, because I think Hennard talks about the story but yeah, chuck Norris was into Jiu-Jitsu like early in the seventies, way into it. That's so crazy, yeah, yeah. And then then I think, like Jocko, jocko got into in the early nineties I want to say he actually got in hooked in with like Hicks and Gracie.
Speaker 2:Do you know? Chuck Norris was in the hospital recently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Really yeah. Well, dude, he's like he's in what mid to late eighties. Now he's up there. He's still in good shape, though Chuck Norris would fuck up zombies like it was just nothing.
Speaker 2:He would even use a weapon. The zombies would run away. They would, they would run, they would bite him and after three days they might die. Finally, right.
Speaker 1:No, they would just turn into humans again, like Chuck Norris is the cure. They bite him and they're like oh, thank you so much, chuck. Finally. Yeah, or Chuck or Chuck bites the zombies and the zombies are running away, like Jesus Christ, get him away from the love he was spread. He's the 28 days later. Like you see a horde coming at you like dude fuck, and the behind him is Chuck Norris just fucking coming after him. Get the fuck over here. I'm not done. He's like Scorpion, get over here.
Speaker 2:He's just lassoing him and bringing him in. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fuck yeah, so any other zombie stuff?
Speaker 2:No, I kind of I glanced at the book a little bit. I'm sure there's some other random shit the book's got like. The book's got like the siphoning fuel and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I, you know we didn't really get to need to get too deep into it.
Speaker 2:No, dude, I think we did. I think we did good man.
Speaker 1:Look everyone, if the zombie apocalypse happens. I'm just telling you now, most of you are fucked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're just going to be honest. I mean, you can, you can start probably fucked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can start, but you're probably not even going to get out of your house. This is totally this is going to happen, so I hope you're especially if you live in a city like just good luck, yeah, don't come here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, you're on your own now. Yeah, if you start getting hungry, door Dash will not save you.
Speaker 1:No, the government, they will not save you either.
Speaker 2:So, even with that plan, even though, one is coming to save you.
Speaker 1:Because that's the thing now. I was like no one's coming to save you, you better be ready. Well, who said that? When did that become a thing? There's this guy named Greg Anderson on Instagram. He was like a cop and he quit during the COVID because he wasn't going to enforce any of the stuff. And like he's got a pretty big, he's a jujitsu guy, he's a black belt, I believe. Really cool dude, but like he's like, his thing is like no one's coming to save you, you know. So you better be prepared and it's too bad of advice. Greg Anderson, yep, on Instagram and he's got. He actually just built a big jujitsu place up in Washington. He lives off in the woods.
Speaker 1:I would have decided to vacation up to Washington. See that that's a group of people you'd want to hold up with, like guys, like he's got a nice thing going on up there. They got a bunch of fucking savage people ready to survive and hunt and live off the land. Like that's the scenario to have. Really, that'd be best. Yeah, get yourself. Find yourself some Amish. Oh, dude, like I'm an Amish now I'll convert. I'm good, let's fucking, let's all milk the cows.
Speaker 2:That's the joke. I was trying to say I'll churn the butter Like they'd have. They'd have walls built before it even got like a day in.
Speaker 1:Fuck you. Well, that was like the Alexandria had walls built around it. Remember, in Walk and Dead?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had a bunch. You needed like a good. I mean, how would you even weld? I mean you could use ox settling the. I mean like a, okay, a cutting torque. I don't know how you would run an electronic welder. I don't either. That's a lot of power, exactly Lots, lots of power. Well, I mean actually a lot of them are. They have generator welder duo so you could run it on gas and you could weld. Yeah, it'll go quickly, though yeah, I'm thinking how long hours last it's got to be refilled like every like maybe four or five hours, maybe that's good. Yeah, it's a very small thing, I mean. And we actually we keep fuel tanks at our house that we keep like they're like hundred hundred twenty gallon tanks. So you know, you could like, theoretically, power long enough to weld a fair amount of stuff. You know, interesting Walls around the whole city? Probably not, probably not. Yeah, that's probably not going to happen.
Speaker 1:Does look like a lot of labor, yeah, I know, and with nobody there, like who the fuck did this Exactly? They're not all gone All this work and they just fucking. They're small, fucking like just gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, you need like a whole fucking construction team just to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Guys, this perfectly placed city with walls around it, let's take it over Giant ass gate. Luckily there's no one. Oh wait, maybe there were people and there was people in Alexandria.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a bunch of zombies, right? No, whole community people there was, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just remembering, because Rick was upsetting the balance a little bit. That's right. That's right, yeah, so I don't know, man, you all better be ready to go through zombie apocalypse.
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Speaker 2:Oh, do we not get last week's episode? No, it was fucked, man, you could have done the audio though.
Speaker 1:It was fucked. No, the audio was fucked too. What happened to audio Dude? It was just bad so much it wasn't worth it. Yeah, so I scrapped it. Okay, it'll be all good, love this one out.
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