Rich Is A Feeling, Not A Number

Wealth shows up first as a feeling, not a figure. We unpack how to live richly right now by choosing what truly matters, noticing everyday wonder, and investing in small luxuries that elevate daily life. From stories of growing up with little to the joy of upcycling and the magic of a moonlit sky, we trace how gratitude and intention can transform simple moments into lasting abundance.

We talk candidly about debt, lifestyle creep, and the pressure to keep up, then offer a calmer path: identify one or two meaningful upgrades that you’ll use constantly, and cut the expenses that don’t move the needle on joy. Along the way, we revisit childhood scenes—handmade prams as Christmas presents, picnics that felt grand, a water tower that became a castle in our minds—to reveal why presence, imagination, and laughter outshine price tags. You’ll hear how awe and mindfulness raise your baseline satisfaction and why that shift makes money decisions clearer and kinder.

If you’re tired of equating net worth with self-worth, this conversation offers a practical reset. Learn how to review spending by feeling, protect rituals that make you come alive, and build a “feel rich fund” for small treats that sustain momentum. The goal isn’t perfection; it’s a sustainable rhythm where finances support meaning, not the other way around. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a softer definition of wealth, and leave a review to help others find the show. What’s one small choice that makes your life feel richer today?

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And What Rich Means
• 0:47 Money, Debt, And The Netflix Spark
• 2:10 Rich Without Riches: Childhood Stories
• 5:16 Upcycling And Making Home Feel Plush
• 7:20 The Moon, Mindfulness, And Awe
• 9:30 Choosing Luxuries That Truly Matter
• 11:10 Escaping Lack And Comparison
• 12:45 Laughter, Struggle, And Resilience
• 14:25 Freedom, Generosity, And Simple Joys
• 15:50 Practical Finances And Feeling Rich
• 18:05 Invitations, Resources, And Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:00

Living a rich life. Yeah, that sounds like fun, doesn't it? Yeah, I was watching uh Netflix programme on it.

SPEAKER_01: 0:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good that program.

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Yeah, I got questions. And I thought we could chat about that today.

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That's all we're gonna be talking about.

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Yeah, and please do leave a review as well on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts because it helps other people find the show as well. Yeah, it does. So let's get started then. So, yes, how to live a rich life. I was thinking about it because I mean, apart from the fact that it's so easy now to get into debt. Oh, you're actually talking about real financial rich life. I thought this was gonna be like more Well, it's both. Both, okay. But it's so easy to get into debt to debt, and it's so easy to accumulate so much debt that you feel as if that you you could never live a rich life, like what the like what the program was talking about, because that was the financial advisor giving advice. Yeah, but it's also so easy to like not realize what living a rich life really is and how you can live a rich life now without actually being that rich, yeah. Without being yeah, because let's face it, most people are just like average or low income. I mean, there's not that many really rich people out there, so yeah, I think I think I thought the meaning of living a rich life was like, you know, more like w doing the best you can do with the money you have, or just you know, you know, enjoying it, I guess, enjoying your financial wealth and whatever, no matter how much it is. So if you've only got enough to go to the down to the coffee shop and and order a coffee, you know, sort of enjoy that moment because it's special for you because you're spending I don't know what on that coffee. Do you know what I mean? Well, I remember when I got my student grant, yeah. Um, because in those days, fortunately, we we got we got a grant and we didn't and we didn't have to pay back all the debt happens. And I remember thinking, gosh, I feel so rich. Yeah, and I've got enough money to go and buy a coffee. That's what I mean. And it was such such a lovely feeling. Well, us growing up poor, we know what that was like. We know what it was like to see other people sitting at the coffee shops and just not bothering about you know having a tea and a cup of coffee and and a cake, you know not worrying about it costs, not worrying about it. So when I remember when mum would actually say, All right, we're gonna go and sit down and have a you know cup of tea, and you get whatever you want, it was like, wow, I would feel rich, you know, think gosh. So yeah, maybe it's you know, I thought really, it doesn't really matter how much your actual income is, it's what you actually do with that income if you can manage to live experiences that that make you feel rich, make you feel rich inside and live a rich life. Yeah, live um because what does living a rich life really mean? I suppose it's subjected to each one of us. Well, yeah, I remember mum used to say things like, Do you want to um go on holiday to Spain this summer, or do you want do you want the family to buy a new sofa because this one's shabby? And we it was second hand, it was like someone's it's someone. It was somebody given it. It was definitely hand-me down. It was a hat definitely a handy down handy hand-me down, or it was just some some found on the tip at some point. That one wasn't, I remember. It wasn't, was it? No, because then she was very clever with her dressmaking skills, so she would refurbish it all herself. But in those days, people would put the they would get they would hire a skip, do you remember, and they would get outside their house and they would like throw their furniture in it, things they didn't want. So it was possible to get things off a skip. People would, yeah, yeah, we would get things off a skipway. We would, that's for sure. And we were like little scavengers, mum. We fo we found a table. Oh wow, where is it? It's in the dip. I mean, that's that's how we grew up, isn't it? Office chairs, everything we would find in the dip. We would literally go there, but did we feel poor? Not really, not really. When we found something in the tip, it was because we were so much we would feel rich, we would say, wow, we've just found this. I mean, what is the saying? You know, once man rubbishes another man's gold. And so when we found when we would when we would go on holiday, and we wouldn't have anything that was that nice at home, but when we would go on holiday, uh in the summer we would come back having had our lovely sunny summer holiday. Since we would feel rich compared to maybe uh our little friends that hadn't gone on holiday, even though they might but they had beautiful stuff at home. Yeah, they might have lovely new prams and the toy prams, yeah. Let's be specific. That's what I wanted. Yeah, because you wanted that real toy pram, didn't you? The one you saw in the shop. Yeah, yeah. Then Dad made us the little wooden ones which were adorable. They were, they were so special, really. But the other kids down the block were were jealous of ours. They wanted the handmade. They wanted the handmade little bag. I think that's because there was two of us, so we would be prancing along really happy with them. Well, yeah, obviously. And the little girl up the road, she was on her own, I remember. Poor thing, yeah. She wanted to wanted her pram. You wanted her ones, yeah. She had a lot. I can't remember wanting her one that was. You didn't care. I didn't care. You weren't as materialistic. No, I don't think I was actually. I don't think I noticed these things. Maybe I noticed it more because I was a little bit older. Yeah, being being just being more conscious of it, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, being what yeah, maybe I was just like I don't know what I was up to. Mum used to say I was a bit more mischievous, maybe I was just running around more. I don't know what I was doing. I was cutting the flowers off by the point. Yeah, cooking flowers for cooking. Anyway, the point is. Yeah, we would make little meals with these, yeah, for cooking because it sounds like with the peonies. It was just a you know, just bake just just children, child's play. Yeah, you would cook, we would cook with little flowers and things. Flower bias, yeah. In the that was our distraction. That was especially what I remember liking doing. Yeah, I would make tea with um with earth and water and then put it in this little toy teapot and serve. But then my mum saw us do that. She gave us real tea, I remember. Yeah, I remember that. And then I remember not washing the teapot properly. I remember the stink of that teapot. She would make us put our toys away and it had the leftover milk. The powder milk. I don't know. I remember doing it to our dollies.

SPEAKER_01: 7:17

Yeah. Anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:20

This was what I mean is though what we're what we're getting back to saying is that even though we did grow up poor, relatively poor, well, poor, yeah, definitely poor. It was poor. We had enough to eat, but it was poor. No, we were lucky we had enough to eat. Always enough to eat. Always loads abundance of food, but there was poor in other aspects. We did feel I feel like we lived a very rich childhood in the experience, in the sense of experience, in the sense of um I can't remember the lack, feeling lack. I know because um for instance, Paul McKenna, the hypnotist, he's uh he has an audio that's how to live your rich life. Rich life. Yeah, I love that. When I listened to it, he said, Imagine if you could have anything you wanted, all the richness and all the rich experiences. And I always feel really blessed because I always think, yeah, we had all those rich experiences because mum made us travel, you know. Even in even if it was just we went to travel to Switzerland, but it was a big deal in those days because people didn't really travel that much. So we've got to be able to do that. Well, we only went there because she had a sister that was there, so we could stay there for free. And yeah, but it that was a rich experience, yeah. Well, that was probably cost her a fortune, actually. Well, she saved up a year, didn't she? Yeah, to send us on an airplane alone, which she couldn't come because it was too expensive. And she had to work, and she had to work, so she sent us off with our little passports in those little plastic tags you would have hung around your neck, and off we went. I mean, I was nine, you were ten, yeah, we were very little, and uh yeah, that was a rich experience, actually. Yeah, that was pretty amazing if you think about it now. So, what you can do is like even if you don't if you're not very wealthy, you can create rich experiences for yourself. Like I mean, I remember just even going on a picnic sounded amazing. I remember thinking I felt so it was so like mum would be special. It was special, yeah. She would just make her little tortilla di patata, which is like a Spanish omelette thing, and that was already special. She would make it seem as if that was special, but it's just potato eggs and onions, and yeah, and delicious, and that was a whole faff around preparing that putting in the little basket, then going off down to the park, it was just down the road, but it seemed like it was a very rich experience doing things like that. Well, yeah, I think they were. I mean, they were rich because we had if you think about it, we were having quality time with it with our parents. Yeah, you're right, and with each other, and that is something that that's rare, but that's precious, isn't it? That's precious, and it's free, but it's free, and it's not really free because it's only free if you could if you if you could afford to have the time. She was able to do it because she was working from home as a child mind and we would have to do it. And working at night as an accelerator. She would take us with the babies as well. We would all go together with the little children, and for us, really, she was working. If you think she was working, she was minding the other kids, wasn't she? Yeah, the babies. But it seemed like it was time for us, it didn't seem like a chore. No, it seemed like, oh, we've got all these lovely little babies to play with and look after and be with. It was special, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I think you can I still remember the squirrels in the park. I remember playing under the willow tree, that the weeping willow tree.

SPEAKER_01: 10:56

I I always thought it was like magic when we would go under that tree.

SPEAKER_00: 11:01

It was like so special, you know. And then there was a castle in that park. Do you remember it? It wasn't a castle. We used to call it a castle, but it was a water tower. Oh, water tower. Oh. It's probably still in Croydon. There's his water tower. Yeah, I fantasized about, you know, the wanted to go in there and thinking there were princesses in there. It was quite steep. It would climb up the I mean, those are experiences. Well, it's like Rapunzel's Tower, really, wasn't it? It looked a bit like that. It did. Because it had like old-fashioned brick. Very, very, very remote. Wasn't like a new thing. Oh no, no, it looked as really ancient, very magical. The whole thing was extremely, it was like going into some kind of film or something. If you think about our childhood now, looking back on it, and that's because it was based on perhaps having a parent that was able to see another side of her life as well, like our mum and our father as well. They they weren't too involved in the story that they were poor immigrants. They were more involved in looking around them, enjoying what they had, looking for rich experiences around them that could make them feel feel sp. You know, everything was special. Finding finding, I mean, come on, finding a sofa, a settee in a rubbish tip. You think, yuck, you know, no, oh wow, big claps, we were all laughing, and it sounds as if I'm making this up, but you know, there's two of us, we really live this. I don't know that we were so happy. I mean, I remember dad grumbling sometimes. He was a bit grumpy. He would get grumpy and then, you know, he would say, leave it. He would say, Leave it there, woman. What are you doing? But then mum would be able to fantasize how she was gonna redecorate it. She would she would go, you know, reupholster it basically. She would re-upholster it with the with the fine with the cotton. Yes, that would buy the that was a rich life. She would buy the wheel the stuff. The tea was from the dumb, from her dumb, or from the neighbour or whatever that didn't want it, had it. I mean, it was in a state. It was a terrible state, yeah. She'd have to clean it, she'd have to clean it and fix it and everything, and but then she would go to like Liberty. Yeah, to Liberty's. This was it. She would go to the Croydon, but she would get like Liberty type fabric. Definitely the finest. Spend quite a lot of money on that actually, when you're thinking about it. But I suppose compared to what uh an entire sofa would cost, yeah, and then she would re-upholster it and then make the matching curtains. So the whole thing looked rich in the end, it looked plush for for us. For for for us it looked for our standards, yeah. The fact that she'd made it by hand made it all really special. Yeah, she made it special. Yeah, so you can make things special. I mean, anything can be special. Anything I mean, and thinking about today's climate, uh, you know, it's it was a really good uh w way of like reusing and up. Definitely, yeah. So called upcycling stuff instead of you know, one man's rubbish was another man's rubbish. Yeah, exactly. Yes, and yeah, well that's it was very ecological as well what we were doing in those days without realising it, maybe. Obviously, we did not realise it. No, there wasn't so much awareness, but yeah, that is living rich though, really, isn't it? Well, she always used to say if you didn't have enough money to save for what you really wanted, and then she likes she would really buy. Do you remember she bought that expensive? I mean, the rest of the kitchen was a stake. Oh my god. But she bought that expensive cooker. That's her way of living rich, you see. So that's what we've learned from from our parents is that even though it's not much, you get one thing that that's very luxurious, that's like makes you feel rich and make that experience every time you experience that thing is gonna make you she loved it, didn't you? I mean, yeah, I still feel like that today because if I have a lovely I don't want to do brands, but my my lovely new laptop every time I see I love it. Yeah, I can't help it, makes me feel rich seeing that, even though now I know I can afford it. Yeah, but still it gives me that sense, oh, when I see it and it works so well and everything. It's more like with techno with techno I'm so amazed by it, or even the phone, you know, what it can do and everything. It makes me feel rich. Well, it is having privilege, it's a privilege, yeah, being able to have things. Yeah, but other people would take it for granted, I think. I think that's one of the things we've learned off mum and dad. Growing up poor. Yeah. But not just poor, but growing up poor with this rich mentality, like this rich enjoying it. It was so deep. Yes, the experiences were so like really. I think that really because like we didn't, for instance, uh, in the and I remember in the hall, we couldn't afford to buy a carpet, but yet mum would go and buy the best quality, like cut of meat, not not super solar steak on anything, but a nice roast. So that on Sunday we had a nice, you know, roast. But we didn't have a carpet down the stairs because she couldn't afford it. Because she couldn't afford to get a carpet straight away. She would put pennies. Do you remember she'd have to save up for it penny by penny basically? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So pound by pound, yeah. We always had like delicious food, it was always like make the most of what you've got, but like live rich, abundant experiences in what she did. Yes, yes, yes, that's true. Yeah, and that rubs off, doesn't it? And then she was very appreciative, also. Yeah, very appreciative, very grateful. So I don't know if she got that from because she grew up with that really rich aunt in Madrid. Yeah, but yeah, because she came from a very poor family, and then she grew up into a she was taken away, yeah, and taken to her rich auntie. She was ill. I don't know. It's like going into our family. We're supposed to be doing we're supposed to be doing a podcast here, and it's just like, oh yeah, we're gonna have a chat about our mum. I mean, I hope you're gonna get some benefit from this. It's it's just talking about our experiences. This really is getting real because this is how we grew up. Well, I remember as well or we can share with you. So I remember when I listened to the Paul McKenna audio as well. He says, in it, there's a piece where he says, This thief comes in to steal all this man's possessions of his house, and so a monk. So them or the man, the man says, You can have it, you know, you can have all my possession possessions. And then he sits in his empty house and he looks out, and he said, If only I could give him the moon. So he's looking at this beautiful moon, and he's thinking, if only I could give the thief this experience of looking at the beautiful moon. Oh my god, and it and that's what you can never give anyone the moon at all.

unknown: 18:25

Why did you talk about the moon?

SPEAKER_01: 18:27

I mean, I love looking at the moon. Why? I love seeing that full moon.

SPEAKER_00: 18:35

I know. You know, I'm almost Well then. If you saw the moon yesterday and then the podcast will go, but yesterday, the moon was like semi, it's it was a semi, semi, semi, uh, what's it? I don't know if it was crescente or diminuishing or growing, but it had Venus underneath it. Gosh. So it was absolutely expected. It looked like a like almost like a drawing. The thing is, semi-circular moon, and then it had the star, the planet underneath. You have to like sort of really appreciate those things or look at them. Take a moment to look at it. Take it take a moment. And that's where the where that's I think life comes from. If you cut, but you just can't look sometimes. What do you mean you can't look? Well, like some people don't want to look. They don't want to be in a I don't think they don't want to look. I think they've never learned to look. It's something you have to have in the city. You have to close your eyes and then look open them again and and sort of like be able to absorb it because no matter what how many lovely things you have in front of you, if you don't know how to absorb them, it's like you can't really receive them. Or maybe you do receive them, but in a different way. That's what I say in the end. Like when I say I might tell my husband, look at the moon, he just says the moon, not the moon again. I've seen it before. I said, you can't tell me you've seen it before. Let's go outside and look at the moon. And he said, No, I'd rather look at you. I say, darling, I appreciate you want to look at me. But if we look at the moon, in the summer evenings, I can convince him to look at the moon like what you say, because I bribe him. I say, let's go out and have a drink or go outside. You've made me realise how I bribe him with that, you know, with that. I give him like a treat. I give him a treat. Let's go and have a nice lolly outside. Let's go and have I mean he doesn't really drink much, but I guess if I offered him an amar or italiano or something, he'd come out, you know. But anyway, yeah. It's always marvelled me but how it's it's just the way it's subjective, isn't it? The way you see different things. But maybe it's from if you grow up with a uh with a this like magical kind of yeah, magical kind of childhood. I mean if you have this kind of magic in your life where you stop a moment to be mindful to actually look at things, yeah. Um and how just to see you know how amazing things are. Because like the willow tree. The willow tree. I still remember the leaves, yeah, the squirrels. Yeah. The the the scent of the roses in the summer. I still remember walking up our little road and then the roses. Maybe it was more of an English thing. People have seemed to be quite appreciative in those days. Was it just our childhood? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, people like gardening a lot in England. I think it's just that, yeah, that maybe it's that bit of a nostalgic way of being of being a bit just being a bit more still and yeah, I don't know. I definitely think if you can be a little bit still and mindful, then you can really enjoy things. And and no matter what you're doing, and no matter how much you're actually earning at the moment or not earning, you can still have you know experience that richness in your life. The richness of because richness anything is relative, isn't it? Because like if you go on a positive, yeah. If you might think like if you're if you're more well off, you might think like you know, like flying first class is like amazing.

SPEAKER_02: 22:28

Amazing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 22:30

But if you if you if you've never done that just flying any class, just yeah, just going on a plane. I mean, it's absolutely amazing. What happened to us when we went on a plane, or even now when we fly just normal everyday flights, you think, wow, we still think we're in London. I mean that and especially now after the the pandemic and everything, you think you can it you can appreciate things even more, I think. Having freedom is already a great richness. Yes, indeed. Yeah, very privileged. Yes, yes. It's uh I think it's a very if you open yourself up to living a rich life, you'll notice how much richness you actually have in your life.

SPEAKER_01: 23:14

And what makes you feel rich.

SPEAKER_00: 23:16

So when you're doing something, you become like a little bit more aware of it and think, oh gosh, yes, this makes me feel rich in in in a multitude of ways because I'm really experiencing it. Hmm. Is that right? That's how I feel. Well, I think so, yes, because for someone feeling rich might be to have like a luxury chandelier in their house or something. Oh, yeah. We know a lot about that. Yeah, we sell them. We sell them. We know a lot of people say, I'm really saving up for this. Yeah. Sometimes I think, gosh, you know, you really want to spend like I don't know, 2,000 euros on this now when you're you're saving. I mean, we had I had a client once, we both, you know, she was saving for ages. Then her grandmother gave her some money, and so well, then she bought it. So obviously, that's important for her to have a piece of you know, Italian Murano glass, something special. That was going to make her feel rich every day. She looked at it, so you can understand why why you would want something like that, yeah. Because it was something that you know, you really makes you feel it's all about feeling, really, isn't it? How you feel. It's more about feeling than anything else. Than being. You because you can have you know so much money in the bank but not feel rich, yeah. Or you can feel rich. You can have so many assets as well, not feel rich. Yeah, or you can just feel rich by having one or two things, or like what you said in the little story about the moon. You can always maybe feel more as if you want more as well, and you're never rich enough, you can feel you can get stuck stuck in that in that feeling of uh of lack. Yeah. Which is not really healthy. It's not healthy. No, that's that's a bit sad if you're in the stuck in the feeling of lack. That's what you see when you see that you know the people that are trying to keep up with other people all the time. With the journalists, with the next-door neighbours, yeah, with the society. And maybe on social media as well. You're always trying to keep up with someone else, and you never feel quite rich enough. Yeah. But most of the really beautiful things in life are free. Well, that that's what they say, and as cliche as it is, I think you know, you reach our age and you begin to realise it is absolutely true. And some of the things you buy are beautiful, like what I was saying before, you know, a new computer or a new chandelier, and you can really appreciate them, but sometimes, yeah, just having a picnic in the park and I don't know, doing really simple things can having an afternoon to yourself. Uh ha reading a book, having a chat with a friend can be precious. And pr n there's no price. And I think there's also no price to like living a life where you're not always worrying about money either. Like making sure that you do get your finances in order as far as as much as you can. So that you can avoid that anxiety. Don't overspend on things that aren't really giving you that much value. You can you can like if you want, you know, you can evaluate them a little bit and think, okay, so I'm spending this amount on this, I don't know, going out every Friday night or whatever, and spending this amount at restaurants, then I'm doing this and this. And you can think, how do these when I do these things and these activities, how do I really feel? If you if you're mindful of it, you'll realize it and you'll say, No, that's really great. It makes me feel absolutely wonderful. Wonderful, it makes me feel rich, it's really important part of my life. Well, then you leave it. But if it's not, maybe you can feel rich in other ways. You can think about it. How what it what it actually is that makes you feel rich. I know. It's weird, isn't it? It is because it's so much feeling rich. What is it? It's not feeling happy, it's not feeling sad. You can have multi-billion. Or does rich yeah, you know, we've worked with people that are ultra-high net worth people, and they don't even feel that rich because there's the next person five billion bought. They're always talking about it's just a million, yeah, whatever. So yeah, it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't really make that much difference, no. I guess it's if you have been brought up in a different way, and and you feel you're always in lack, uh, then I think if you're aware of that, you can you can you can work on it, you can fix it. You can fix it. You can fix it by just starting to appreciate all the little things that you've maybe been taking for granted that you didn't realise you were taking for granted. Having a good laugh is like priceless, and if you find someone you can have a good laugh with, then I would say never let that person go because that's that's that's being rich for me. Having a good good laugh, or just sitting and watching a film that makes you laugh at you know, even that, that that's rich. Lovely, isn't it? That's that's great, you know. Because you sometimes you forget how important laughter is. Oh, yes. The the older you get, you know, you find you you laugh less and less. Remember there was a time when we thought we didn't laugh much. Yeah, I did. It was before we started all our studies and our NLP and things, and we were thinking, life's not that funny anymore. Just saying it, yeah, it sounds so funny.

SPEAKER_01: 29:01

We did think that. We did think life wasn't that funny. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_00: 29:08

I think we got stuck in the rut or something. Stuck in the rut, and you have all your problems. I mean, everyone's got problems. Yeah, you hear all these problems all the time health problems, financial problems, the car, the the car, the house, the kids, and or or the lack of kids, because you want to have kids. Like I suffered from infertility problems that I was for years and years doing IVF and blah blah blah. So, yeah, and then sometimes you think, well, life is hard, you know, because it's it's not that fun, it's not fun like I thought it was, like you know, like that magical childhood kind of thing. You know, then it if you live if someone broke down that magical childhood, I think, well, it wasn't that magical. Exactly. When you break it down, you realise mum and dad were immigrants, they were broke, we we got everything was a struggle for everything. Was a struggle, terrible struggle. Mum would have to work night shifts, and she would not only do that, go out on a bike in the night on a bicycle. So that when we were little, I remember thinking, you know, oh my gosh, I hope she comes back okay. I hope a bus doesn't run her over. She was tiny as well. She wasn't, you know, like we came out more or less tall, like our father, but our mum, she she would like, if you if you can see me like that. My little Miss Pepperpot was. Yeah, she was absolutely tiny, and she would go off at night, she would say good night, put us to bed and everything, and then say, Alright, Mummy's going to work now. I would hate it. I would just think, gosh, I hope she comes back alright. And then in the morning when I'd hear her like little bike coming back in at 6 a.m. or whatever, I think, phew, she's come back and she's okay. So yeah, it wasn't all roses and elves and fairies and making little it there were struggles, there were struggles, yeah. But somehow the richer part of it came through. Came through it, like enveloped it more. It's it's it's what we chose to see and perhaps what we were taught to see more than the other. We were taught gratitude, weren't we? We were taught to see that it seems silly now, but it's true. We're deciding to have a laugh now. No, it it doesn't seem silly, it's uh it was love and gratitude. It was, yeah. And that's all you need, really, isn't it? Yeah, it was like yeah, love and gratitude. All our basic needs were basically met most of the time. Yeah, and when we didn't have enough money to buy school uniform, mum would make it for us and make out as if that was super special. Then you would remember you say uh you would get teased for it, but you know, you would say, Hey, you know, I have uh a different school, school uniform, whatever it would cost you, mum's gonna call it school uniforms, because literally mum could not afford those. They were they were expensive, those school uniforms. You know, you'd have to have all those little things, a little hats and everything. Well, we had to buy those. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But anyway, yeah, we hope you're gonna go off and live your rich life and think perhaps a little bit about yeah, what makes you feel rich, you know. Yeah, and could be just buying and do more of that. Yeah, I mean, the other day I was asking my son, what is it that makes you feel rich? And he started looking at the pink salt of the Himalaya now, Himalaya, and he said, This makes me feel rich because it's like comes from so far away, and even though it's not it's still quite pricey actually to buy. It's very pricey compared to normal salt. Compared to normal white salt that's had, yeah, but you know, even small things like that, that it's not gonna kill you, it's not gonna kill your budget to buy a packet of that if that's what makes you feel rich. Exactly. It doesn't matter what it is, but you know, I think being aware of it and spoiling yourself sometimes, you know. With these kind of experiences as well, is good to to let to release. To let you have a nice like cup of coffee on a nice terrace. On a nice terrace, yeah. Always remember when I was younger that I was always well, I did do it, but it was like special. It was special, yeah, and you'd appreciate it. Yeah, definitely. We still appreciate it now. Exactly. I think that's that's the secret, really. To never stop appreciating always feel a bit like what you were saying the other day, a bit like a student. Still feel like a student now, and thank goodness we know we're uh we're okay. Fine, but I still I don't know what it is, it's probably because we grew up poor like what you say. Yeah, I think so. It never does quite leave you. No, but I think it's a blessing. I do believe it is a blessing. It's like a bit privileged actually. You are, yeah. It would be like the opposite of what you would imagine. Obviously, that's the kind of I'm not saying you know, if you haven't got food or no uh the kind of poor poor we experience that it my mum and dad, I mean my mum and dad might say, but they were always grateful and happy as well. No, they were super grateful. Yeah, yeah. So it's not as if you know it's luckily, you know, it was okay for us, but obviously if you're if you if you if you're is struggling even more, it's obviously it's not the same thing and it's very difficult, but no, you can I think you can you can still I think you can still find children in the very very poor countries that traveled the lotes they're happy. I don't know if they're happy but they they they're very cheerful and you said in some of your when you came like hitchhiking when you didn't have you didn't even have any money. That's the time I felt people were to you. I couldn't believe the sense of freedom, yeah. Freedom and with no money to it. Yeah, everyone was so generous to you. They would just offer us meals and uh everything, it was wonderful. It was dangerous never do it, but it was I mean, it was I did it in those days, it was yeah, years ago in the 80s. Yeah, and it was still quite dangerous coming over to the Mediterranean countries. That's yeah. Anyway, let us know what your experiences are, and if you're living your rich life, and if you are struggling with debt or anything, you know, I'd recommend you watch the Netflix. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch it, it can help you. Absolutely. And do come and say hello on our YouTube channel as well, or on Twitter or at Kept Real with the English Sisters on Instagram. Come and follow us as we're growing there too. Yeah, come and join our family and share your experiences with us too.

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Yeah.

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And if you want us to talk about something on the next podcast, just just write, just write it down. Right. And we'll we will we'll take it to you. Write to us and we're Oh, and also check out our book uh Stress Free in Three Minutes, which is available on Amazon and in all good bookshops to order, also on Kindle and Audible. Exactly. There's a lot of gratitude in there as well, isn't it? Oh yeah, yeah, they're very short, like little hypnotic stories, really, aren't they? Hypnotherapy, really, in tiny size bites that you just read one tiny little thing and kind of gets your unconscious mind working on it. Easy to digest. Yeah, very, very easy to digest. It's a bit of a bit of a particular little thing, isn't it? Oh yes. Special. It's special, yeah. When we're writing it was special for us. It was, it was therapeutic, and um we know that many of our colleagues hypnotherapists actually use it in therapies, but it's it's it's good for everyone. It's good to be stress-free and anxiety free. Okay, thank you very much. See you see you online. Bye bye. Bye bye.