Motivation Starts After You Begin

Motivation gets talked about like a magical mood that either shows up or doesn’t, and we think that belief is exactly what keeps people stuck. We challenge the “I’m not motivated” story and explore a more practical idea from Jeff Haddon’s The Motivation Myth: motivation is often the outcome, not the starting point. When you begin, even imperfectly, you create proof you can do it, and that proof becomes the fuel.

We dig into what makes motivation feel hardest: exercise that hurts, diets that require effort, projects that scare you, and life periods where you’re simply flat. We talk about “languishing”, why willpower can be the wrong tool, and how a pattern interrupt can restart your brain when it’s locked into a tunnel of avoidance. You’ll also hear how boredom can drive creativity, why deadlines can push you into a flow state, and how tiny wins build real confidence over time.

We share our favourite practical techniques for building discipline and better habits, including visualisation with all your senses, writing intentions down like a contract, and focusing on the next doable step rather than a perfect plan. We also touch on self-sabotage, how to respond without beating yourself up, and why enjoying the process matters when the “carrot” is far away.

If you’ve been waiting to feel ready, listen along and try one small action today, then tell us what changed. Subscribe, download, and share the podcast, and leave us a review wherever you listen.

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Welcome And The Motivation Myth

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hi from the English system. Welcome to Get Real with the English Systems. Hello everyone. Hello. Today we'll be talking about motivation. Is it a myth? Or not? What do you think? Or is it real? Is it real?

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Is it something? Is it nothing? Do we get motivated? Are we motivated today?

SPEAKER_01 0:27

We are motivated.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

We're certainly motivated.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

But how do we become motivated? Yeah, how do you become motivated? This is something that just sprinkles on top of you, sprinkle dust. Is it is it something that you have to work at, do you think? I think so. I think it's like exercise. It's everything. You always have to work at everything. You don't just get out of bed and say, I feel great, I want to do everything, it's wonderful. Yeah, I I really don't think you ever do that, do you? Yeah, I think first you unless you come on holidays or something, and then you're really motivated to see the new location. Yeah, and it's exciting. Yeah. And you're going to do super fun stuff. Sometimes you can feel ill after travelling or something. Oh, come on. No, I'm talking about a nice holiday where you feel good and you'll really love it, and you can't wait to go out downstairs and have breakfast or something,

What Motivation Really Means

SPEAKER_01 1:20

or go outside and go on the beach. That's different. That's not motivation. That's just that's that I don't think that's motivation. I think when you talk about motivation, it's motivation to get to do something. Motivation to exercise, to go on that diet, to these kind of things that you need kind of motivation for. Because I don't the others you don't need motivation. Why should you need motivation to when you're in on holiday? You don't need it. It's there. You already love it. You already want to go there. You so maybe motivation is for something that you're not really you're either frightened of doing or you don't feel competent enough to do, or that you're maybe you're right, you're frightened of it. Yeah, frightened, fearful. Or something that's hard to do. That's when you need to have motivation. Well, yeah, you it's also hard to go and exercise, isn't it? Because it because there's pain involved as well, and you can't be bothered. So you need motivation. How do you get yourself motivated to exercise? I think you get yourself motivated by actually starting it and seeing the success

Action First Then Motivation Follows

SPEAKER_01 2:35

afterwards. So is that what's in the book? In the book The Motivation Myth by Jeff Haddon, he actually says, yeah, that motivation isn't the final outcome, it's actually a process. So, and what is the process? It's it's it's not the first thing, you're not motivated first, and then afterwards. You you have to you have to do it first, whatever you have to do. For example, start the diet, start the the the marathon, whatever it is, actually start training, and then afterwards you'll become motivated. So it's a bit of a it's a bit of a chicken and the egg thing. It's a bit, yeah, it's a bit like you think no comes first, the chicken or the egg. Yeah, I mean all your life you're saying no, I'm not really motivated to do that. No, you're not motivated because you haven't started it yet.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

I think that's why they think it's a myth. It's because you're waiting for this motivation to arrive and you think it should arrive.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

When you actually start say exercising and then the next day you don't want to do it again because you're hurting. What do you do then?

SPEAKER_01 3:39

I mean, I tell you

Visualisation As A Starting Trigger

SPEAKER_01 3:40

what I do. What is it? What do you do? Well, I visualize it. Or I think if I if if the exercise thing comes into mind, like if I think I should be walking or I should be doing uh whatever it is, yoga or whatever, then I think I'm thinking it, that means I should be doing it and I'm going to go and do it. Because the thought has gone in your mind. In my mind. If I'm thinking, the minute that thought hits me about going to do exercise, thinking about exercise, I think there's a part of me that wants to do it. That part of me is what I would identify as my motivation, which is coming to it now, talking to you about it. So it's that part of you that has the thought. Yes, the part of me that has the thought. So once the thought is there, then that means it it will be done. Well, I say to myself that it must be done, I must be done. It must be done, go do it. So, what if everyone has a thought and they say, I want to get a different job, or I want to ask my boss for a raise. So if the thought is there, they should do it. They should go and do it. I don't know if they should do it, but they should they take some actions take some actions towards it. Um obviously there's always the the the the what's it called, the ecological aspect. Is it you know, can I get a new job now? Obviously, yeah. Obviously, if you're thinking about it, there's a part of you that knows that you can do it. Because otherwise you wouldn't even be contemplating no. If you're in a position where you know there's a possibility that you could get a raise or you could change job positions instead of doing this, you could become that or whatever it is, I don't know, hospital administrator or whatever it is you're doing at the moment, and you want to get you want to go to the next level, but you think I think the thoughts there do it. If the thoughts say when in doubt, do it. When in doubt, just do it, yeah. Just just grab it.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

When in when in doubt, check it out.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, I know you when in doubt, check it out again. That seems to be our mantra.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

If you're thinking about it, there's a part of you that thinks that you could do it, yeah. Otherwise, I don't think it would come into your mind. Or you could or you should.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Or it'll be Yeah, but you know what they say about shoulds? Shoulds get like uh oh they put you in that position where you say I should do it, but then I won't. You know, the word should, you know, it's a bit of a I would say I should do it, so I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

You think of it so I could have done it, so I will do it.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

You will do it, yeah. So you are kind of a highly motivated person in already, though, aren't you? I am, I suppose. In a way. But when something hits me, I want to do it. If it's inspiring. You want to do it because inspiration flows within you.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

But what the problems broke

Flow State And Deadline Pressure

SPEAKER_00 6:40

any inspiration flows within you.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

It's really difficult for it to happen, actually. And it's called the flow, it's the flow state, which is really marvellous. And yeah, I think we do get into the flow, you get into the flow by visualizing it. You visualize it when when I was in the flow is when we were writing our books, and I remember the only way I got into that flow was because we were pushed into having that deadline, and our editor said, if you don't do it between this timeline, we will not publish your book. So we thought crikey, you know, we really got and we started. Now I remember getting into that lovely flow, and I thought this is such a lovely state to be in. I didn't actually realise it was the flow that everyone took. I mean, the flow. Yeah, the flow is wonderful, yeah, it's mythical. What is it? The flow people don't know what it is. You don't know what it is, maybe until you've experienced it. It's like the motivation source. I think if you've got the flow, then you then you're on the go kind of thing. You really you don't even think of motivation because you are motivated.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

But the flow comes like for me, it came with discipline because I would have I would have to.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

I've had to sit down at the computer or throughout the day constantly think about what we were what we were gonna write. Yeah, ideas.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Ideas.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Yes, exactly. We were motivated enough because we had the deadlines, so maybe sometimes motivation comes with deadlines as well. Thank uh thankfully so. Thankfully so. Yeah, I don't know why I said that that just came out because you think thank god there are there are deadlines. I mean, normally we hate deadlines, but you think thank goodness there are deadlines. What about if life is all one big deadline? You're born and then you died. You've got an expiration date. So if you think, could that be enough motivation to get yourself? I can't do it this year, I can do it next year. It's not good enough, is it? Because you don't know if you'll be here next year. Exactly. Once again, forever optimistic English sisters. The truth is there is that deadline in our life though, isn't there?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

I know, but we tend to forget about it, but we tend to delete it and not think about it all the time. Because I think it'd be too much pressure if you did. It's awful, awful, yeah. Always thinking about it. It's an awful way of living. Yes, it is when you're gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Yeah, yeah. Even though we all do. Yeah.

Discipline Over Willpower In Real Life

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah, but I mean, going back to motivation and the idea that it's a myth, I do think that is correct, actually. I think like with everything in life, it's discipline, unfortunately. Unfortunately. We hate to break it, do you? There isn't this special source, like everything.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

I mean, it's discipline. If you think about relationships, you have to, it's like discipline to keep them going.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Keep them going. Because they fizzle out. It's only in the beginning that everything's lovey dovey, then afterwards it's constant work and discipline, I think. You have to work at it. Yeah, you have to work. It doesn't sound nice, like sounds horrible. Work is work, work is is is associated to to bad to bad. But imagine if I told you we had to give up our work, you'd have a heart attack, wouldn't you? Oh yeah, we do. You'd hate it. Yeah, if if someone said we can't do what we're doing, this part of our job, yeah. I love it. We can't do what we do. You say no, I want to. It's what get kick you out.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

If someone says you can't, so maybe that should be added to the motivation thing. You can't do it. Ask yourself, you can't do it. I say if you wanted to go on a diet, and somebody says no, you're not allowed to do that, you're not allowed to cut back. No, you're not allowed to eat healthy, you're not allowed, you're not allowed to have fruit and veg or water, you have to drink things that fizzy drinks and sugar and cakes all day. God, that would certainly put me off. And me, yeah. No, I want to. You're not allowed to get out of bed in

The Not Allowed Trick For Drive

SPEAKER_01 10:55

the morning. You're just that just I mean, imagine when they say no, you're not allowed to get out of bed. That's the worst thing. Like, I've been seven days in bed if you've got the flu or something. You can't wait to get out of bed. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

So, yeah. So maybe the part of you that they're not allowed, maybe when you want to feel motivated, you can just imagine a voice saying, You're not allowed to do that. Yeah, God, that'll put you.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

I mean, it would work well for us. For us, because we're a bit polar that way. We don't like people telling us we're not allowed to do things. What to do or what to do, but unless it's a deadline, then we want to be told what to do.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

It's a bit weird, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 11:31

I didn't like the deadline when they first the publisher said you have this deadline. I thought, God, that's a hell. I I mean, I can't do this, I don't want to do it. Isn't it curious to notice how when you do have a deadline you manage to fit everything in? It is curious to notice that, yeah. Like I would I noticed that when I was really particularly stressed at a time in my life, like when our parents weren't well, and my husband said, You should go to the gym, you should work out. Oh god, you're choking. How on earth can you be so insensitive and think I can go to the gym now? But I've got all these thoughts in my head. He goes, You need it, you need physical exercise to to help you with your stress. So I of course I didn't listen immediately, but it took me a while to come to the con to the to that conclusion. And in the end, when I did go, I thought, you're so right. When you think you haven't got the time, that's when exactly when you should be doing it. Yeah, when you really need to be doing it. It's when you think, no, I haven't got the time for this. Uh oh, think about this. No, that's when you have to do it. Just when you're thinking you haven't got the time. I can't go on that holiday. I can't take a break in the weekend, I just can't know you can. You

When You Feel Too Busy

SPEAKER_01 12:45

actually not only can you, that's when you have to actually need to do it. Yeah, that's when you need to get the motivation and say, No, I will do it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sometimes you can get into that rut when you just don't want to do anything. Oh god, yeah, you know, you feel low. You feel low, you feel what's like melancholic. You're languishing. That was the term I listened to in a podcast, and it says there's this new term, it's really ancient actually, but now they've brought it back up again, and it's called the languishing. It's like you're just kind of in a mare feeling, you're not great, you don't you don't feel either good or bad. You're just like I think a lot of us are feeling that after the pandemic, exactly the world situation, yeah. And so when you're in that languishing state, that's that's it's quite difficult to find yourself getting motivated again, isn't it? Well, definitely it's not willpower. You can't be bothered, can you? No. And it's not the willpower, it's not saying saying you haven't got enough willpower. I don't think willpower has anything to do with it, really. Or no, or does it?

unknown 13:50

No.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

When you can't do it, you just can't. When you're in that landish. You don't even care about willpower. It's just a word thing, what the hell? Yeah. Yeah, you don't even it doesn't come to mind. No, willpower is like saying, I must do it, I will get out of bed, I will stop playing with this guy. You've already got power, so you don't probably talk have to talk about the will. No, it's just already there. I think motivation comes with visualization and then action. I think that's the recipe to get motivated. Right, yeah. So first visualise that you've done doing it, and then that you've done it, and then how you feel afterwards. Yeah, and that feeling of accomplishment and success and thinking, yes, I did this. Yes, how does that feel? And if you can see yourself

Languishing And How To Restart

SPEAKER_01 14:40

actually doing it, like you want to go for a run, see yourself putting on your training clothes, putting your gym shoes on, see yourself feel how it would feel to be running, the movement, how your body feels. How free, you how free, yeah. Sometimes it can be like flying, yeah. And if you're walking, you're looking around, if you're walking outside, you can see the cherry blossoms, whatever's going on, you hear the sound of the birds, and you can feel, you know, after you that that feels good, you know. So that's already if you if you can visualize and imagine that for a little bit, I think you're gonna want to put your training shoes on. Yeah, and then you can also involve your senses, like the sense of smell, attach, oh yeah, how it feels to put the shoes on, yeah. But involve everything.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Involve everything, and you'll soon be going.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

You're gonna go later, that's why you'll be running off or you'll be taking a nice walk. And if you're not able to walk or run, you can imagine yourself doing something else, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

If you're gonna say you can do.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Yeah, in this case, motivation often people always say, I'm not motivated to go to the gym, I'm not motivated to I don't know, whatever they have to do. But I think there's that time in your life like when you're like 18 or 19, when just everything you've got that that that energy, that energy and that that wanting to see the world, you know, motivate you don't even need to talk about motivation. And then once you've seen stuff and you've done stuff, then maybe you need something new and inspiring to to like something new to learn or something that will motivate you. A new project. Yeah, maybe you're right. But what about when you are very young, if you are languishing? Sometimes you can languish. You can languish for a long time and have that language.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

What does that language mean? It's just when you don't challenge doing anything. It's a state.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

You feel a bit low, I think. Not necessarily low, but you all you want to do is like binge on uh TV shows and play games. Or play games, yeah, video games, and you don't really like it. That's when you're like you're kind of stuck in a rut,

Boredom As A Creativity Tool

SPEAKER_01 17:00

I would call it. More than languishing. But you need then that's when you need to open your mind up to new things, do new things. I just you know, just do anything, yeah. Just do anything. Just do anything to interrupt, like what they say in neurolinguistic programme a pattern interrupt interrupt. Interrupt that pattern. Your brain thought interrupt and get out. Yeah, it's it's it's the getting out is what you need, the so-called motivation to get out. I mean, even just get up and go to the loo, and then maybe just walk around and do something different, and then think if I still want to go back and do that in ten minutes, I can, but happy. Your brain for time playing because your mind kind of goes out the the way our brains work, they just go into like a like a tunnel focus, and you're just focusing on that one thing, it doesn't give room for anything else. So that's what we always say about how why boredom is so amazing. Boredom is a good one, yeah. You you kind of need to get bored in order to, you know, from what was it? We we we we said something from great boredom arises great ideas. What do we say? Inspiration, great inspiration, yeah. It's like you kind of need to get bored in order to be able to to create new things. That's why children need to be bored.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Yeah, we used to make our children get bored, and then when they were bored by not giving them anything to do, come and play, come and play in the garden, yeah, and then they'd come out with these amazing creative games.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

They would, yeah, put little bits of logs together, and you would think, God, you were bored a minute ago.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

So bored, I'm so bored. Yeah, but instead of like putting the TV on and giving them some device, which you know they just go and get bored. Yeah, get bored, go on, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

See what comes from boredom. Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, maybe we kind of as adults, but do you think as adults we don't we don't give ourselves time to be bored? How much how many you know, people you don't even want to be on your own for five minutes with your own? You're never bored nowadays, really, because either you're watching an Instagram reel or you're doing let's tell the truth, unless you've practiced becomes a great difficulty. Yeah, you're cut off internet, you've got nothing, you're just literally sitting in the in a place where you're just bored, and then you're just forced to look around you and but then if if it's kind of a forced boredom, I don't think that's too productive either. Because you can go into that different state, can't you? What do you mean? Well, like I was imagining you're bored, you're waiting at a dentist's office or something, then you're not really bored because you're not bored, that's waiting at the dentist.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Yeah, it's waiting. That's boring. That's boring. I mean, that's that's frustrating.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

If you can use that time to think about the projects or do things, you know, think about things you're gonna do in your mind. But usually when you're waiting at the dentist,

Harnessing Thoughts Into Healthy Actions

SPEAKER_01 19:55

you're usually a bit frightened. Yeah, that's what I mean. Worried about what they're gonna do to you. You're not in a perfect state of creation, creating. When are you really? We probably use those moments, though. I think when you maybe use those moments, it'd be useful to utilise. It would be great to use utilising those moments, how many more moments we had in our life. Oh gosh, yeah. Um, utilising the the cues to think about things that we were gonna do or to look out and see how other people were feeling, absolutely different worlds. Look, even looking at the inter We love interior design, looking at the decor. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Look at the lighting that we love lights.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Yeah, could all come up, it could all be useful. Can't you? Instead of just thinking nothing, just being just being annoyed or frustrated. Yeah, you've got you have you I think what we're getting to here to say here is that we do have choices on how we uh you know or how we utilize our brain power thinking and our thoughts aren't just random, we can kind of direct them if we yeah, and I think when we do direct our thoughts, we we get motivated. It comes naturally, it comes naturally, yeah. So it's a myth in the sense that it it's something that's not it needs to be harnessed. It's a myth in the sense that oh, I will wake up and I will be blessed with motivation today, and you don't have to do anything about it, and you can just no, I think that's gonna go and catch it. You have you have to you have to catch it, you have to direct your thoughts, you have to harness them in a way, harvest them, yeah, harvest them as well, and and and yeah, don't just wait, make them work for you. Yes, that's a good point. Make them work for you, make your thoughts work for you. So if you're thinking I should be going on that diet, or I'm gonna eat healthy today, eat healthy today. Yeah, eat healthy and see yourself eating healthily, like see yourself taking the first bite. Of that piece of fruit. Actually, see yourself, taste it, see yourself going to buy it in the grocery shop, see yourself doing taking all of these steps in order to feel, and when you see yourself, then afterwards, you're most likely going to do it at some point or other during your day. You'll find yourself at that grocery store buying that healthy food. Because you've already taken the first step in your mind. Yeah, you've actually seen yourself take the first step of you know, of actually tasting that juicy piece of fruit or vegetables or whatever it is that you like or preparing that meal, you can see yourself preparing the meal in the evening and that lovely healthy choice for yourself. Yeah, maybe that's kind of motivation comes with once, as we said, with discipline, with doing. And then also with visualizing, but then also with um seeing the outcome

Small Wins And The Saboteur Voice

SPEAKER_01 22:55

as well. Well, with the outcome, I think if you visualize it, then you go to work, blah blah do your day, and then you actually just do pop in and buy yourself, then that's then you see success. No matter how small it is, it's success, isn't it? Because you did it, you did it, and you could you did it once, that means you can do it again, and you can repeat. Sometimes I visualize myself, I try and do this exercise with the shopping, yeah. With visualizing yourself, stopping at the same, and then I find myself just driving past. But no. Ah, that's because you're sabotaging it. Yeah, so what happens that you can sabotage yourself so many ways, yeah. So what but now I think the thought is there, shopping, you do it, do not waste mental energy. Now you do. Sometimes one or two times it doesn't work. No, it doesn't always work, it doesn't always work, but then I don't think you should have to be so hard on yourself. It didn't work this time, let's do it again next time. Let's try it again, yeah. Let's I mean it's like what we always think. It will come forward to one step back. It's okay to to have one step back as long as it's not always backwards. As long as you've taken that one step forward, you're still ahead, aren't you? You're still ahead already, just by thinking about it. I think you've thought about it and you'll do it. Making it sound so easy, you thought about it.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

You thought about it and you'll do it now.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

You will do it. Whatever it is you plan to do, that's it. We're giving you the motive from now. That's the secret to motivation. Yes, just take the action, no matter how it all comes into your head, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

I'm gonna do I'm gonna do write my essay, do my book, do my write my project, finish whatever I'm doing, you know, make make that dress, do whatever you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

I'm gonna go and do it. If you're thinking about it, or they're just a little fleeting. Sometimes the thoughts are very very, very uh they're very fleeting, they just come in and you're watching something and it just comes in. Oh, I could be doing that. Oh yeah. Well, I could be turn it into I want to do it, I will do it. Yeah. I think if it's coming into your mind, there's a part of you that wants to do it or thinks you sh you you will feel better after you've done it. I suppose what we have to work on after is how to get rid of Mr. Saboteur, or Miss Saboteur, the one that the part of you that wants to sabotage stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

That one can get lost. Don't want to be seeing that one around.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

No, no. I think it is like, you know, is motivation a myth in uh Jeff Haddon's book where he does say motivation is not, you know, it's not at the beginning, it's it's a final thing. So it's not what we think it is. So it's after you've run that map and you've looked back and you think, yes, I was motivated to do that, I did it. And now I can do another thing because I did that. Yeah, you know, it's like if you win a competition or something. Yes, the successes give you strength. Yes. If you if you if you can flip a pancake once, you want to flip a pancake, then the first time you ever flip a pancake and it drops on the floor, okay. Then you try again, you flip it again and it actually goes where it's supposed to go in stay in the pan. Yeah, then you're motivated enough to think I can do this again, no matter

Routines Kindness And Enjoying The Process

SPEAKER_01 26:35

how small it is, even in a very simple example. Which I think motivation is is is also inborn in us, really, because otherwise we wouldn't do anything, would we? Ultimately.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

So you mean it's already there, we don't have to harness it.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

No, I think as I think as adults we do have to harness it. Yeah. For specific goals that we want to do, even just to get out of bed, I think we certainly have to harness it. Um I think just doing it.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Just if you think about things too much, you will end up not doing them.

unknown 27:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Like when I had to get out of bed, now the minute uh the the I think I'm gonna get out of bed, I just get out of bed. That is not true. I might go back to bed in the film. Do you really got to just get out? Today I did. They just and I thought I'm not if I think about if I think about it's nice in here, I won't get out. No, you just get out, and then think of the next thing that I'm gonna get my lovely coffee. Coffee, yeah, something else that motivates you. So it's always the next thing that we're thinking about, yeah. That that keeps you keeps you going. When you have to do things, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Let's face it, it's not life isn't a piece of cake, it's not always easy, is it? No, no, no. There are things that you have to do that you don't particularly want to do, and then I don't even know if motivation comes.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

I think then it's just really it's just about just discipline and structuring your day so you just know that you have to do it, and then you have to go to work. The motivation is the money, isn't it? If you if you get paid, the motivation is a paycheck. You know, there's always a carrot like you're gonna get your carrot at the end of it, aren't you?

SPEAKER_00 28:19

No, not always sometimes it takes a long time to get the carrot. So then what keeps you going? The the final visualization that it's worth it or enjoying the process, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Definitely enjoying the process if you can. Yeah, yeah. I think you can in everything. If you're sweeping the floors, you can become a mindful thing. Yeah, absolutely. And and it can be nice, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Yeah, even like doing housework or doing if you whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

If you if you happen to be doing a job you don't particularly enjoy now, even just being you know nice to people around you, having that cheery smile. I mean, they always it always affects you, doesn't it? Definitely affects you. You have a you always when you come into contact with someone that's like that, it always leaves. Kind of special, isn't it? Yeah. Wonderful, really, isn't it? So, really, we've all come back down to it that just be nice. Just be nice and just get out of bed and go to work and do your stuff, and then the rest of it will just come.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

So just come naturally.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

I think visualize things that you want to do, and then the I think that's what we do. If we want to get real, that is what we do. That is what we do. Well, it's what I do and what you do. Yeah, but we've learned to do that. We trained. Yeah, that's what I mean. It didn't just come naturally. Maybe as a child it does come naturally, but I think even children you can help them. Um yes, I think you can. You can definitely help them. You can help them by saying, visualize this, visualize it's already done, visualize the that you've you've you've done that thing. Imagine how happy you're gonna feel once you've done that. Even if it doesn't go exactly how you you thought it would go, it's still an achievement because you've done it. You know, and you're gonna feel relieved that you've you've done it. You've done it, yeah. Because it doesn't always go amazingly. No, no, no, but it's still it gives you a good feeling, yeah, because you did it. Yeah, yeah. And the the truth is that I mean, even in the in the coaching, in the sports coaching and everything, they they teach to visualize, don't they? Visualise the final outcoming and then let letting go of the outcome. Yeah. So you're visualising everything going well, but then you just let go, and then you say, Well, whatever whatever will be will be. You kind of just enjoy the process. Yeah, that's

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SPEAKER_01 30:55

it as well, I think. Anyway, good. Let us know how you get motivated. Is motivation a myth? Do you find that discipline works more? Yeah, what is it that motivates that every time the thought comes into your head to actually go and do it? Yeah, yeah. You know, write that down, write write what you're gonna do down as well. Writing it down can help, I think. Yeah, I think that I think that can really help. If you're kind of like a more visual person, you can actually see it written down on paper, like tomorrow I will do this. I think you're kind of self-hypnotizing yourself in a way to actually getting it done. Absolutely. So that's probably yeah, very good if you kind of want to see it written down. It's like the written word must be must be done. Sign it as well, put your signature down, good idea. It's like a contract.

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SPEAKER_01 31:58

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