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Castor Oil for Energetic Healing | Wendy De Rosa & Dr. Marisol Teijeiro, ND
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In this episode, Wendy De Rosa sits down with naturopathic doctor and visionary teacher Dr. Marisol Teijeiro, ND, to explore the often-overlooked energetic and spiritual dimensions of castor oil—a traditional remedy with profound healing potential.
Though rooted in science and medicine, Dr. Marisol shares how she once dismissed the “subtle body” aspects of healing, until a personal health crisis opened her to the deeper intelligence of this sacred oil. What followed was a journey of profound transformation.
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- Ways to use it to deepen meditation, rest, and intuitive connection
- The link between the gut, liver, and energetic flow
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Welcome to the Wendy DeRosa Sessions, a place to ground your energy, trust your intuition, and awaken the light within you. Welcome everyone to the Wendy DeRosa Sessions. I'm so glad you're here. And in this episode, we are going to talk about castor oil. I'm so excited to welcome to you, Dr. Marisol, who I've come to know in this past year as the Queen of Castor Oil Packs. And I have such a cool and interesting story about how uh castor oil has come into my life and how I met Dr. Marisol. But first, I just wanted to welcome you, Dr. Marisol. Thank you for watching. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Wendy.
SPEAKER_01:I'm so excited to speak with you. Number one, you know how much I admire and love the work that you do. And even just have the opportunity to reach out to your people, which I'm sure are all along the same vibe as me and you, which is wonderful. So this is a great opportunity. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you so much for being here. So here's what I want to share first as we're getting started is uh we so we're talking about energy healing, and and most of my you know, my audience is you know, intuitive, sensitives, empaths. They're oftentimes in positions where they're being with people or they're leading people, or they're people that work with people, and we are um, you know, sort of the sensitive, empathic, intuitive beings. And my work is about diving deep into the energetic system. But what's interesting to me is castor oil packs have been something that I've had in my field of my I say, my arsenal of different, I don't know, 25, 30 years, but I've never talked about them. I'm just so glad that we're bringing this out into the um yeah, into the conversation because they may not be new to some people, but how we might use them within our healing and our energetic system. I think it's you know important to kind of revive the conversation and bring it into this realm of of energy. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because I I do believe, like if we really look back, and you know, you're not alone either. You know, I began really speaking about castoral packs from the realm of like the physical body, like what it did from a physical perspective, right? Because as a trained naturopath, that's how I learned them. Um, but then what I realized when I actually was putting them into use in my body. And then years later, I actually realized that it's more of an energetic tool than anything that connects you, connects your energy body back to your physical body, which is so powerful, especially if you are an empath or highly sensitive. Like I fit into all of those categories, right? I mean, that's why I love your work so much because for me it's been so foundationally transformative. And then, and now that I have in my toolbox, I've got my Wendy De Rosa, I've got my castor out back, you know, I've got my different things, and then like my meditation and my different different aspects, like good food, nutrition, all the things that give you good life and give you good like qi or energy, as I say in traditional Chinese medicine. But yeah, it's like it's it's part of the toolbox in the energetic, energetic wellness. And I think a lot of people shy from speaking about it in an energetic perspective because they both they believe that it belongs in the physical world, but it actually is the bridge between both, which is a cool thing about castor oil packs.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, I mean, I'll have a Chinese medicine story because it's one how I got introduced to it. But I first want to start out with just how did you become the queen of castor oil packs? Honestly, it was following my intuitive hits.
SPEAKER_01:As if I can really like back then I didn't know. Back then I just knew that it was like, you know, my first job in the natural wellness industry. I walk in. There's uh, you know, I'm having now I know from you it's like a clairvoyant episode, which is where, you know, there was a halo around these bottles of oil on the bottom floor. You know, something was pulling and attracting me, like I felt, right? Like I was going through all the clairs that day. I was feeling something. I I kneeled down. I, you know, picked up this bottle. And at the time it was all dusty because castor oil really has taken a trajectory where it was loved and then people don't love it, it falls out of fashion, and people forget about it. You know, it's a little bit more work than especially before, not now, because I made it easy to do, but people would forget about it. So I was at a point in time when castor oil was really being kind of left to the side. And I remember kneeling down and just picking up this bottle, not knowing what it is, and my heart just like really had like an expansion, like just kind of like a boom-boom. I don't, that's the best way that I can describe it. And I'm just like, I need to know more, is what you know came down into my mind. Like, I need to know more about this stuff. At first, though, you know, I went to go speak with the wellness counselor at the health food store. And honestly, I was so resistant to things, and this is something I learned later on in my life about resistance. And, you know, I really needed a castor oil pack, but I thought it was woo-woo. And I thought castor oil was snake oil because it could do everything. And so I just became so resistant to it, right? Which is ironic because one of the major actions of castor oil packs is that it reduces resistance in our body, right? And when you reduce resistance, you can get more into your energetic flow. But for me, I was like so resistant. This is so woo-woo. This is so not what I want to do with my life, right? I had just gotten into the natural wellness industry. And then, you know, fast forward 10 years later, I'm in naturopathic college because I've been dealing with all these symptoms of anxiety and stress. And, you know, nothing's really helping me. And I'm I'm feeling so much, and no one can help, right? Like beyond if they want to, they wanted to give me, you know, obviously lots of antidepressants and anti-anxieties and all these drugs, which I just I didn't believe in. Like I'm I'm not into into medical drugs, right? Unless there's a time and a place for many of them. But I don't think it's a first avenue, right? And for most cases. And, you know, in naturopathic college, I was trying to find the solution for myself. And sure enough, you know, that there you have a a group of hundreds of empaths. So you can imagine like the energy that you're feeling in that, in that, in that, in that building is intense. And then on top of it, the energy of the stress that everyone's dealing with, because it's like professional level college, and you know, they didn't make the program easy. It was like 80 to 90 hours a week, you know, plus studying, like it was intense. Like we had to learn everything conventional and then everything from uh a naturopathic physical modality. Unfortunately, they left out a lot of energy medicine, which is sad. The only exposure that we got to it was traditional Chinese medicine and homeopathy. Um, but there could have been so much more that we could have done, but you know, time was limited. But it was there that in my final year when I was walking into clinical practice, like I broke. I burnt out completely. And I and mainly because throughout Nash Path at college, I was waking up in the middle of the night with these like five alarm fire panic attacks and like an elephant on my chest. And it was it was so intense, Wendy. Like I would do what I could, like I would go for GABA and magnesium. I was trying all the natural stuff, you know. And then at one point I kind of succumbed to getting the drugs because I was like, I need something because I can't sleep. My body is just, you know, breaking down and I'm drinking more coffee to compensate. So everything was off with me. And then, you know, sure enough, you burn out because no, no, no, no physical system can maintain that amount of trauma and stress for a period of time or eventually it breaks. And so I broke, I couldn't get out of bed, and I was frustrated because here I was doing all the right supplements, I was eating all the right foods, I was doing the product the protocols, you know, and I'm worse off than ever. And, you know, finally then, like click in my head, even though people have been telling me to do it for a decade, you know, Castro packs is that one regret that I look back and I'm like, man, people have been telling me to do what would I look like and feel like now had I been doing them from the beginning if I just listened and dropped my resistance. So that's my first sign for people out there is drop your resistance to that and think about what they could, what with how you could feel and be with them. And I I ended up taking this old trade show bag that was made out of organic cotton. Cause one of the things that bugged me about the way that people were recommending castor oil packs is they would say put the oil and put like saran wrap plastic around. That's what I remember about it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like the old school way. And and I'm like, that's toxic. Like I and I was trained in toxicology for a long time. So for me, that was like that was on top of it feeling a bit too woo-woo. Like, what would this castor oil pack with oil on it actually do for my physical body? Um, but but again, I was thinking the wrong way. Um, and you know, I just I couldn't bring myself to do it, but then I'm like desperate and I'm like, I'm desperate, I'm gonna do anything. I'll I'll like move mountains because one thing about me that I found out in that time and space was that I will not give up. Like there is no giving up any any bone in my body. And I I just wasn't ready to give up. So I sewed myself that nice little organic cotton bag, put a nice clean tea towel in it, and then I put the castor on my body and I placed the pack on my body. And it it was like the best way that I can describe what happened when I put it on that day is biblically, is like it felt like the sky opened up and angels began to serenade me. And like I just felt like inside my body. I felt good, I felt calm, I felt centered. I felt what I'd been trying to do for years, which was trying to meditate, and I just couldn't do it because every time I try to meditate, I'd get a panic attack. And then here I am doing this castor liver pack and or castor wrap or whatever people call it, castor pack, and I'm just in a state of zen. Like I feel so good. And I'm like, and I was going from feeling so bad. And you know, sure enough, too, my labs looked kind of normal. So it wasn't with until I like had to like I investigated so deeply to find something wrong with me, but something really wasn't wrong with me. Like, although I thought it was my hormones, I thought it was this, I thought it was that, you know, and there was some evidence of that. But what I ended up realizing was that I was dealing with actually like an energetic disease, was that the the stress had become so much for my poor system that and I was just constantly giving away my energy, like you know, like through my grounding cord, something that I learned through through you. I I've just been constantly giving away my energy, not repleting it from my back body, and and truly just you know, I became an empty vessel, and that's not life, right? It's not life to be an empty vessel, uh a full vessel, like full of pleasure, full of of everything, you know, and and what I saw myself too doing is that in order to find the fullness, I would go to things like food or you know, I had a closet cigarette smoking addiction back then, you know, or or alcohol. So I would go to other things, shopping, work, you know, I'd go to other things to fulfill me and give me pleasure. But what I really was desperately seeking was to learn how to be and not keep on doing all the time, and to feel that fulfillment from from you know, source. I I was craving it so badly and I just didn't know how to go about it. And all the ways that I was trying just weren't helping. And so this was my gateway into meditation, and then my gateway into like embodiment, my gateway into understanding that I was just focusing on the physical and I forgot about the energetic side of me, and then my gateway into dropping resistance and getting into flow, and so it was just so transformative. Like few things in my life have transformed me that way, like Castro Pax have, Kripalu has, you have, you know, tuning your horn there, but it's true, you know. And uh yeah, so it was one of those those those things, and I was like, wow, like I and I rushed back when I got better, which was quicker than expected, a lot quicker. They gave me a year, I got better in like a couple months. Oh, went back, only missed a semester instead of a whole year, which was such a relief. Oh, such a relief because I wanted to be a naturopath so bad. And it's like when your dream is almost there and you know it's about to get crushed. I was like, no, this can't be happening. So it was so relieving. And I just realized I think I was given a mission at that moment was to really like serve the patients of number one people who come to naturopaths and energy workers, because the people who come to naturopaths and come to holistic practitioners are typically the people who are empathic, who are feeling more than other people because they're not getting answers in the medical world, because the medical world, number one, just wants to numb you and and and make you lose your magic, you know. But the can the alternative complementary places are really welcoming and and they're best places to be. So it was just like I realized that I had to become the messenger for the castor oil pack because it was losing it losing its place in in wellness medicine and in energy medicine and in naturopathic medicine. And it and it wasn't just about the castor oil for the good looks and the skin and the eyebrows and eyelashes and hair, which it does all that too. It wasn't about that. The most important thing with the castor oil is castor oil pack, and that that's what I'm here to really speak about.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. Everything, I mean, I have so many thoughts with everything that you're saying, and it's almost like you're a um, you know, a preserver of an ancient medicine. Yes, in so many ways. You know, castor oil was so it was introduced to me through it through a um an acupuncturist. So I was like classic spleen chi deficiency, like prone to gain weight, damp constitution, um, sluggish digestion, sort of that classic kind of yeah, spleen chi. And I remember the acupuncturist saying at the time, you know, do yeah, take the flannel cloth and the fan wrap and put it on and it was messy. Um and it and it's similar to what you're describing. It's like I did it for a period of time and then forgot about it for years and years. And it's interesting because about I just the other day, um, Jessica and my team sent me a video to review to look at something from years ago. She's like trying to find the right video. And I looked at myself in that in that video, and I was clearly in a completely overly empathic state of my life, teaching, working, but like stressed out. And I feel I looked at myself and I said to her back, I was like, I feel like the entire world is in my tissues. Interesting. Looking at myself. And she was like, that's really interesting. It's like, I mean, you definitely look different now from when you looked back then. But what happened was I ended up going to, I don't know, I was like in our local, we have like pharma, pharmaca's not there anymore, but I think it was like a similar type of store. And I ended up seeing castor oil packs, and I was like, maybe I need to do a castor oil pack again. So I go and buy my castor oil pack and I, you know, come home and I do it for, I don't know, I was trying to help myself during that time period. Same grounding, healing my spleen. I was very aware that I was going through like a reactivation of, you know, this chronic spleen sheet flare-up. And um, so I did it for, I don't know, maybe a few months, and then I stopped. Yeah, yeah, and then I met you in February or whatever last year at Kropalo this past year. And you gave me a castor oil pack and some oil and you know, to test. Um, so yeah, so you gave me this castor oil and some oil to test, and I ended up, I think I like took, I was like, well, this is great. I have everything that I'm unpacking. I put it in my like, I put it on my shelf and I was like, well, I already have one, so let me use up what I have. And then turns out I go to my closet one day and I pull out this, I pull out what you gave me, and I was like, wait a second, you've seen this before. And I go into my other cupboard, and here I am carrying the exact same box of or the exact same package of what you handed me. So I've had your castor oil and your um pack this whole time, not even realizing it.
SPEAKER_01:So I don't know what I love that you say that you felt like the world was in your tissues because you know, when it comes to castor oil packs, this is actually something that I talk a lot about to people because one of the things with castor oil packs is that, you know, we store everything, like traumas, we store everything in our tissues, right? And a big the big saying in the natural medicine world is your issues are in your tissues. Yeah. Right. So it doesn't surprise me that when you're you're in an empathic state like that, like overempathic, that you're you're just carrying on everyone's traumas and problems. And I felt very much like that also, too, when I was in active clinical practice. Like now I've just I've I've I've stepped out away from practice to really become the spokesperson spokesperson, but really to honor, as you said, this traditional medicine and and be the preserver of it because it really deserved its place like on top of our protocols and like what with what we're doing, like truly as a foundation. But we we do have a tendency to store everything in our body. And when we store, that's also the resistance I was talking about earlier. Right. And I remember in my first days of teaching, even from a physical perspective about the castor oil packs, I used to say to my classes at the Nat Pathic College, because I would teach all the newcoming doctors, and I would say, just remember, if you don't remember anything from this presentation, just remember that castor oil packs give you flow. So wherever anything is stuck, it gives you flow, right? So, and so of course, you know, from a medical perspective, they took that into all kinds of avenues, but just energetically, it makes so much sense and it's just so important for us because we just have a tendency to want to control to get stuck. And when we control, control is the emotion of the liver. And when the liver is in not well-being state, it wants to control everything and it holds on tight. And you'll you can go to an energy worker, like an osteopath or a cranial sacral therapist, and they'll say to you, Oh, your liver's so tight. Well, that's because you're in a state of resistance, right? You're in a state of resistance and everything, like you're resisting everything. And you're but when you resist, you're also resisting divine flow, right? And so it's about learning to let that go. And and and reality is, is we've all been dealt so many different cards of trauma, in however whatever package that may be. But our our journey as we you know become like age on purpose is to truly just learn how to release those and and not not be living with those things that we had from the past. So to let them go. And then that's what gives us peace of mind, balance, all the wonderful things. So yeah, and I'm just so happy that the the Castriel Pack found you again. And it has a way of doing that with people too, because it did that with me too. And what you're explaining in terms of do it for a period of time and stop, that is so normal. Um, but what I'm really working on educating people now is to make it a consistent practice. Because with consistency, my God, like I feel, I feel, I feel better now than I ever did in my 20s. And I look back, and this is why I say my only regret is that I didn't do it when they first told me to do it. But like that's truly my only regret in life because I'm like, I can imagine how much like more youthful I look.
SPEAKER_00:And I even look youthful for my age, right? So yeah, it's a good thing. Absolutely. So I I have like questions in all different directions. This is sparking so many thoughts. But I want to ask, first of all, for anybody who's just really brand new to castor oil packs, like what are the bare bones benefits? And we're talking about some, but maybe just like a little bullet pointed list of like absolutely what are the benefits? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm just gonna keep it from an energetic perspective because there's a lot I can't say from a physical perspective, but you can Google that. But I think what the magic that I bring in is the energetic perspective. I think number one, beyond anything, is in medicine or in in wellness, even naturopathic doctors, we have a tendency, and for ourselves, we have a tendency to just look at the physical side of things. And when we just look at the physical side of things, we're just only going to get a physical result. And then we leave out the energetic side of ourselves, the mental side of ourselves, all the other side of ourselves. We're multidimensional, and at the end of the day, we're an energetic body living a physical experience. I love that line. Wayne Dyer used to say it, and it's so very true. And so the very first thing, excuse me, that castropax do is that they're gonna connect your physical to your energetic body, right? So they they give it a space, and how they do that is through the skin. The skin is the vehicle into the energetic body. The skin is interconnected so tightly with our nervous system, and what really animates our our energetic body is our nerve plexuses. And we can actually see this through like Ayurvedic research, which is done with regards to the nerve plexuses of the body correlated to the chakras, right? Like, like um the Manipura chakra, right? So, like the solar plexus chakra. This one is correlated very specifically to the celiac plexus. And this energetic center is the place of transformation. And it just happens to be in the same location that you put the most first, the first and foremost important pack that you do, which is the castor liver pack. Everyone should start with the liver pack. Don't go starting with everything else. Start with the liver pack because we need to begin with the liver, because the liver is the hub of so much mastery and control within our system that we've got to start there. We must need we need to start softening it. So the very first thing that castor packs do is the and it's not just the castor oil, you can apply the castor own to the body. It's that soothing to the system for sure. Because oil on the body may help helps you feel good. It's just natural. If you've ever had like a massage, you know that oil sliding on your skin feels super, super good. Same thing when you put castor oil on your body. But when you do the pack, you take it to the next level where you actually you you hold you're actually almost in a way holding in your energetic body, connecting it to the physical body rather than your energy, like most empaths, which is just splayed out to the rest to the world at infinite, right? Like you're just constantly giving out your energy and none of it is staying within your body to embody you, right? So that's that's really number one. And that's why it's so important to use a castor oil pack and not just use the oil. And a lot of people now are, you know, very obsessed about doing the belly button. The belly button is powerful too, but it's not powerful like the liver pack. Like the belly button is like a forward, and then the castor oil liver pack is like the Ferrari when it comes to wellness, right? It's just gonna help with like rubbing your engines, realigning you better. The the belly button is a good starter place to start, especially if you're very sensitive. But the belly and the belly button is good acute like during the daytime. If you feel you know very sluggish, you can actually like put like roll with a nice cute little roll on that that we have, which I've done in order to make it easy. You can roll it in your belly button clockwise to kind of invigorate and energize, because that's the way that you invigorate energy in the body. That's kind of the pattern, which is an encyclical motion in a clockwise direction. And then the opposite in a counterclockwise direction in the body, that actually calms the energetics. So if you're feeling overwhelmed or excessed or too much pressure on your shoulders, like worlds on your shoulders, and you're, you know, it's during the day. I often I would always recommend patients to just like roll castor oil counterclockwise just to soothe and comfort your system, right? But it's like the pack, just yeah, just during the daytime, right? The pack is really greatly well done at night, right before going to bed, because that's a time when we really want to reconnect to our bodies because we spent our entire day out, right? And at night, we just want to bring it all in. At night is a time when you know, sleep is what restores us. Our body does so has so many natural mechanisms while we sleep. Um, and we just the castriel pack, we just want to support the energy being within our body so that our body can do what it's most magically made to do, which is clean up while we sleep, right? When and one last thing on that, when women wake up between the hours of like one and three a.m. or even like you probably we're gonna think about this like one and four a.m. which is the Vada time, which in uh Ayurveda is like the wind constitution, or you know, or the hour of the liver in traditional Chinese medicine, which is one to three, they don't match up perfectly, but they match up good enough that we know that the energetic centers like are working in the right, in the in the right motion. But that's a classical time for women, you know, as they have higher levels of toxicity within their system, whether it's energetic or physical, that they tend to wake up because especially if the body hasn't reunited with itself like prior to going into bed and and taking that rest.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was gonna ask, gonna ask you if you could elaborate on the sleep, because if there's someone who says, like, gosh, I'm having such a hard time sleeping at night, whether it's related to menopause or whether it's just related to chronic patterns of you know, sleep, does castor oil packs help with huge.
SPEAKER_01:It's huge. And and and what it is, is it it's because like it's not a treatment for it by any means, but what it does is it's the the big bottom line why we don't sleep well is that we either have toxins that pop up while our body can't tolerate like the toxins that are moving because it's not optimized and it's not in a state of deep enough rest in order for the body to do the cleanup that it needs to do, right? So then that toxins, instead of like being eliminated out of the body and being packaged for elimination, they end up irritating your nervous system. And that's what wakes you up. That's one reason. And as we as we age, you know, that the toxins obviously emotionally, energetically, they build up, especially if we haven't done the work. So that is a huge aspect of why that supports us. And then with hormonal changes, what occurs is that energetically we also are affected via our hormonal changes, right? Like estrogen is very much about um, you know, women as they go into perimenopause and menopause, like women love castor oil for their beauty when it comes to perimenopause and menopause, because castor is just so hydrating for the skin. As we lose our estrogen, we lose our natural hydration, right? And when we lose our hydration, we lose a part of our energetic body because the water content of our body is like, and you can look at this biblically, like throughout anything, whether it's uh the Bible, all of the religions talk about water in the form of the spiritual self, all of them. And I'm sure you you're you're connected with this too. And and so as we lose that water content within our body, we lose the ability to move energetically as well, too, right? And so, you know, obviously you still need to drink water, you still need to take your electrolytes. There's things that you've got to do on top of the castoral packs. Castro packs are not that panacea, but the castor pacts just help us with that, help us with the flow that could be like taken away with less water that we don't have within our system. So, this is why it I find one of the best places for women to use castro packs, everyone can use them, men too. Just you a woman can't use them if they're pregnant. Um, but the best times are definitely, especially to start, and this is usually when people start, is during like change of season, right? Because when you change of seasons, things start to shift, change of hormonal stages. So that's when we start our periods, when we're in perimenopause, and then beyond, and then and then also postpartum, because postpartum, there's been such a massive shift of hormones. And again, anytime there's shift to just support, you know, getting back into your body and not being everywhere, that's where castor oil packs really shine.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's so great. I I'm wondering if I could show what a castor is. Yeah, let's show it. Like in case people are watching and going, well, what is she talking about? Um, so this is one of Marisol's castor oil packs. Um so it looks like this, and it's got a side you would put the you'd put on close to your body.
SPEAKER_01:The organic, yeah. So there's an organic cotton side that you're always looking at, yeah, and that's what you want next to your body. And then yeah, and then this side is it's all shiny because of the lights, but the shiny side that goes away from your body, and this is like the protective layer. And so just to make it less messy, my goal was to make it less messy because that was the big challenge I found in clinical practice. I would I remember running back to patients and being like, you gotta do this, and everyone's like, Oh my god, it's so messy. And then, or they wouldn't even bother because they couldn't find the tools, right? And I'm like, I gotta change that in order because I know this is good for them, and I've seen it in myself, and I just I want other people to have that hope and that good feeling within their body because I'm to the point now I'm I'm very religious with them, I'm getting better and better every day, which I'm very proud of myself because you know, I'm like I'm I'm human, so I'm not perfect. So there's times I haven't done my castor pack. But I'm getting very, very disciplined with it because I just noticed that such a massive difference. I could have had a very stressful day the day before. And my doing the pack just really shifts me into a different space. My sleep is deeper. Of course, you know, I lie in bed. I, you know, do my practices too. But it just, it just puts me into a place of being soothed and feeling safe. And like that's priceless because in our work, and that would be like a second thing that castro packs do is just the soothing effect it has on your body and the feeling of safety. And and part of that is because, well, it embodies you, it helps you to re-embody where you've been disembodied. This helps you to re-embody and most specifically into the lower energetic centers that I know you and I are like, we jam on this. Like, this is one of the reasons I love you so much because you speak about you speak this truth about the lower energy centers, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'd love to talk about. I just want to point out too to prevent the messiness. I love this. Yeah, it's rolled on. Yeah, it's so cool, and that's what helps making it not as so messy. That's what I love. Is it's yeah, you know, and it's on, and I've done it like I've had little so like I've had little things on my face and are my and I've just rolled it right on, and it's oh, and the great thing too is that the crystal quartz, this is a crystal quartz ball, and it uh it actually is cooling.
SPEAKER_01:And one of the cool things is when you put cool things on your face, it's actually calming for your body. So I I I'm in the practice of doing the castor liver pack, and then at night I put this all over my face. I like you know, splash with water, I wipe it off, I put extra around my eyes because I always because you know, eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, I want everything to look beautiful there, and then I I wear an eye mask to bed with it, right? Yeah, and it's such a beautiful routine because it's what it what it's doing is closing the circuit here because you with the liver pack over the solar plexus region over the liver, you're you're you're targeting the gallbladder meridians, the different energetic pathways, the liver in traditional Chinese medicine. I'm confident also noddies, the energetic pathways and the noddies in Ayurveda. But but then the gallbladder meridian and the liver all finishes here around the eyes. So to do a complete circuit of keeping the energy within the system, so like closing the circuit, I wear the eye mask. And then that I found it's just so soothing. And you know, you and I got together and did some videos, but it has so much to do with like, you know, whenever you have pressure on on an area, your body brings attention to that area, and it's it, you know, it's like a band-aid, right? Everyone always feels better after band aid. Castro packs are very similar. You put it on your liver, you put it around your eyes, you just feel better. Like it's it's and and you've got to believe me before you see it, guys. But honestly, just the proof is in the pudding. Like you could see our reviews, like like the thousands of reviews that we have. We have very, very the only negative feedback we have is every once in a while shipping stuff, right? Which happens to every company. But beyond that, like the number one comment we have is that it's a game changer. And many people say they were resistant to trying it, just like me. It's so interesting, right?
SPEAKER_00:That is so interesting. Um, I would love to dive into the chat to the energy centers, lower body. How I mean, can you put castor oil packs? I mean, I do, on a particular chakra. What is the benefit of it? Yeah, if you want to speak to that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, really, there's like a castor oil pack for every single energetic center. I think where where it's really, really important for people to focus on is truly number one, the solar plexus, because the solar plexus is the liver is just so very important. And the liver just requires it, just absolutely requires nurturing and calming. And it's that part of us, that ego being, but it's it's also also ultimately in charge of transformation. And if we're embarking on anything in life or any wellness journey, our goal is always, well, I want to transform, right, from what I have been to what I can become. And so that's where, like, to me, I feel it's like utmost importance to like always start with the liver pack. And I want to just really highly emphasize that because that is targeting your solar plexus. I think it's the most the easiest way to start and the most softest for the system to begin to get flow. And many reasons beyond that is it also to so many of us, because of childhood trauma, sexual trauma, all kinds of traumas, relationship trauma, relational trauma, we're very, very stuck in our root and in our sacral chakras. I don't know if you've seen that too. But it's so it's like a harder doorway, doorway in. So if you start there, yes, you'll feel a sensation of soothing. But if you do good work with like an energetic cleanse working on the liver for a period of time first, then you can go and because a sacral chakra, we all got something there. I'm confident of it. We all have something with sacral and root, all of them, all the lower centers. Um, but definitely sacral, right? Especially women, because we haven't been able to like be ourselves, be the creative selves. We've had to like live in this masculine world, like as in a almost living in a masculine way when we're really we have this beautiful feminine side and fluid side that we really just suppressed a lot, right? So there's a lot of lot of trauma involved with that suppression. So my go-to is always, always, always begin with the liver pack and then ideally the eye mask. And and that is literally for that to ignite that transformation within the body. And that's transformation from all sides. And transformation begins with feeling better and feeling hope that there is a solution. Because when I was in my dark night of the soul in naturopathic college during that burnout, the thing that I was lacking was hope. Because I was going to all the doctors, I was trying to do everything. I was like, you know, D pack. And I was like, you know, every single, you know, anything, mindset. I was listening to it all. I was just like, what can I do to make myself better? Like, you know, and and I just it it just wasn't an it wasn't what I needed because I needed something actually. Here's where the physical matters. I needed something physically to help me feel better before I could even engage deeply in the energetic stuff. Right, right. So that's where liver and eye, and just shutting down the nervous system and going internally are so valuable. And then after a period of time, I often then I feel like working in the pelvic region. So in your sacral region and for your root is very important. So just the in in front underneath your belly button, using like we actually have specific packs for the pelvic region and people want to do that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you have different packs for ah, okay.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't know that. Yeah, so we have like this is a pelvic pack. So it it's it's the same model, it's just a lot longer and it it tends to go from hip to hip for women. It's longer in order to get like really the entire basin. Um, and I mean, if somebody wanted to use a pelvic on their liver, they could. Like that's not that's not not too big of a deal. Some people tend to have one for each time, other people like I cycle them according to my period as an example. So right now I'm I'm having my period. So and and it's a little bit rare in these days because I'm transitioning into perimenopause, but I just happen to have my period when I got home, thank God, because I've been traveling so much. Um, and and first thing I do when I start the period or a full moon, which I cycle on the full moon, is that I do my liver, I do my liver pack and I do my eye mask, and I do that consistently for a couple of weeks until the new moon. And then when the new moon comes, I sh I move the energy down and I put it on my thyroid and I put it on my lower pelvic region. And I do that to nurture, right? Because there's a big connection, and it's so interesting because I remember Acropolo. This is why I booked our trip to Costa Rica right away when you said this, because I had been intuiting this for a while. And I'm like, why is it that I feel that it's super important when I'm working my sacral zone to work my my fifth chakra, my throat chakra? And well, it has to do with the fact that they're very intimately connected, they're zones of creativity, right? One is more in the lower body, but the throat is also a zone of creativity, just more divinely inspired, right? And how many of us are suffering with not only our feminine side being suppressed, so our sacral zone being suppressed, but also our voice being suppressed. And in and in that, you know, ovulation to the next period phase, it's all about nourishment and nourishing. So that's the time, like the new the full moon is about letting go and releasing and energetically cleansing from then into ovulation, and then from ovulation to the next period. Now it's time to like bring the energy in into the spaces that need to be loved. So that's like an advanced protocol. Um, but but typically, again, to not make things complicated, just begin with the liver pack and the eye mask, and that makes like a world of difference for people right there, even if they never did anything else, and then they can move on to explore, especially when they move into perimenopause and menopause, because that's where you see uh beautifully and like you getting really energetically connected to the moon cycle, it's really powerful, and to your own energetics, like so you basically align energetically through your energy centers, but also your your temperaments or your constitution, like whether you're earth, wind, fire, but then also to the moon cycle. And and that's huge. And so I call the liver pack with the eye mask, is what I call the energetic cleanse, right? The castor pack energetic cleanse. And and I have a link for everybody for that, for so that they can get a good offer so that that way they have like an option if it's something that they're interested in starting.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. You know, nourishing is such a strong word. It's that's like the word I think about when I think about castor oil packs and how amazing it is for people who I mean, I hear a lot from people who are burnt out and the world is crazy. And how do I manage the energy in the world? And how do I stay centered? And we do all the deep energetic practices, but this is like a ritual you can do every night and call your energy back in and rest. And how giving ourselves moments of nourishment is sometimes like sometimes there's that there's that's a step, like that's something to overcome. Like, oh, wait a second, I'm worthy of nourishing my body. And if I stop for, you know, whatever, 15, 30 minutes before bed and take this time to do this ritual and sleep with this on. Um, what a powerful reset that's available to us every single day.
SPEAKER_01:You know, self-care, there's actually great, great research that talks about like self-care being being the tool that allows us to believe more in ourselves and be better within ourselves and become really who we were brought on this earth to to be, right? To fill it, completely fill in those shoes. And so, and and the cool thing too is, you know, I struggled with self-care for a very long time because I didn't think that I had value, right? And I didn't think I was worthy. I thought that everyone else was worthy of everything before me. And so I would always be the last, you know, and this is also something that happens with moms a lot, yeah. Right. And so it wasn't until honestly the Castro part that I started realizing, okay, like, you know what? Like this is really powerful time for me. This is my reset for me. And the beauty about it now is that because I struggled, I made it really easy because I wanted it, because I realized if it wasn't easy for me, like I wasn't gonna do it because already I had that barrier of not thinking that it I was worthy of that time, you know. And so it was with this the practice of the castor opacts, you know, that I started earning like feeling my worth more and more, like my intrinsic worth, not my worth based on, you know, my house or my car or my my my job or who I what I did, but an intrinsic worthiness of being connected. And man, like that feeling, like, because I didn't have it before, I I would not exchange that for any amount of money or any anything because it is it has been such a game changer in my life, and no matter where I go, there I am, and I can find it now and I can nurture it. Be and before, and for most people, the only times that they feel that feeling is when they maybe go to an energetic worker or they get you know a massage or they get a cranial sacral therapy or they get an acupuncture and they may feel that goodness, right? But the cat the invitation is that you can be doing that for yourself nightly. And imagine the impact on your body when you practice something like that. Like over time you become more resilient, your body's able to just deal with things better, right? Things that come at you really don't stress you out as much. It you just be you just you truly transform into the version of you that you wish you had been when you were raising children, probably is what I would say. Because if I I should I it would have been good to have been more diligent with my kids on my pack, but the good thing is my kids know to do packs, like they're they're that's kind of their first thing. They're like, Can I have a pack, mom? Still, and they're 22 and 24. You know, yeah, they they they they well, they saw the example, right? They saw the example, and every time something bad would happen, I'd be like, put a pack on it. It for me, it's always been my even in clinical practice, my first line of defense with patients. They'd call, put a castor oil pack on it, let's see what happens. Like, and I have we had the slogan, we had the slogan in my clinic. It's the everybody oil on ever, except if you're pregnant, on everything, right? That's what it is. It's like the everything oil on everybody, but and best with the pack, right? Because it always is better with the castor oil pack. But yeah, it is it is such a tool, and it is it is about giving ourselves that ritual and that moment, and it literally takes two minutes before bed. You you you roll the oil on your belly, you put the belly pack on, and then you roll the oil around your eyes and you put it on your face, you know, and you go to bed. And I encourage, you know, listening to Wendy DeRosa, listening to whoever it is that you listen to, like, you know, I'm at the point where now I tend I listen to you at certain cases, or other times I just I've I've gotten so good at training myself to just be able to now get deep into like my myself quickly with the pack and then with like all that I've learned from you, right? So yeah, it's it's just phenomenal.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's amazing. So for anyone who struggles with meditation, this could be a great avenue to kind of get into the zone. And I want to like just bring bring in that sometimes our inability to sit with ourselves ties into that worthiness piece. Like, am I worthy to really just sit and be with myself and my body to be able to sit and meditate? But so I wanted to bridge bridge that in, but also it sounds like being able to put the castor oil pack on over the eyes. Would what would you recommend? Guided meditation, or can people sit and do a 20-minute meditation practice with it?
SPEAKER_01:Or yeah, yeah, because they can do they could do it the whichever way they want. Like I used to listen to various um uh meditation people before I found you. And so I would I would just put on my earphones in and I would like go deep down. So whatever people are into, whether it's headspace or they're listening to their Wendy DeRosa like recordings, really anything, you could be sitting up or lying down. Preferentially for me, I still am very challenged to meditate sitting up. You probably notice that every conference I go to, I just lie down. I'm like, I'm just on the back. But for me, that's what works because it it has been a challenge for me to get into my body. But when I'm in the lying down state, it becomes a lot easier for me. One day I'm sure I'll get better and eventually, but for now, it just feels so good for me to have that lie down meditation. So it really depends what people want to do. I I love, I just get into bed with it and I lie down and then I start my meditation. And many a times I just fall into a beautiful like sleep really easily. And then in the morning when I wake up, I do another meditation with it on. So in that one, it's a lot easier because I I do stay awake and aware. I don't fall asleep on that one. But in the nighttime one, I tend to just like, oh, where was I? I just you know, it's it's almost as though I'm I'm listening to Wendy DeRosa. Your your meditations just make me go so deep into trance and just like relax so much that I'm like, where did I go?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, my joke is always that I'll, you know, if you lie down, I will put you to sleep. I have the voice that puts people to sleep. Oh, you're doing it's great.
SPEAKER_01:I know, and in other places people would say you don't want a voice that puts you to sleep, but in your profession, it's a really good thing. Yeah, yeah. But so it's just keep it simple. Just add it, habit stack it with your routine. If you're already doing a routine where you you go to your temple or your meditation space in your home and you, you know, sit sit up for a few minutes for 20 minutes, five minutes, whatever that is for you, you know, put the pack on, put the eye mask on, do that, and then make your way to bed, keep them on, and then in the morning take them off. It's kind of the ideal. That that that is the ideal. And the and the sleep you shall have, and and it's not even it's not even the sleep that gets impacted, the security and safety in your soul and in your body is is is what you gain that night.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that that is again, it's just priceless because that is where we're all struggling with the world, with what's going on, with like, you know, like we're all in like layoffs, all these different things. Like this, this this goes a long way. It's cost effective, and you know, it's supportive of your neuro neurological like regulation. And when you regulate neurologically, like you just everything in life you absorb better. Yeah, you're grounded. Yeah, you can receive life, you can receive food, you can receive good compliments, you know. And I I I do love what you said about the inability to be able to sit with oneself, is the inability because I would can definitely say that I put myself that I was definitely in that state that I did not feel worthy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I I yeah, I absolutely have felt that way too. And yeah, yeah, especially sometimes sitting with ourselves brings up the feelings, you know, it brings up everything, and we have to be able to be okay breathing through that and the discomfort or the sensations that happen when we do, you know, that and sometimes I that that I think of also as the detox process. Going to sleep and putting castor oil pack on at night, and I'm laying down, and all of a sudden I start to feel, you know, energy moving or sensations or little aches and pains. Um, you know, I know enough to recognize that as a release. The body's detoxing, and there's not a problem happening in this moment. The castor oil is not ruining me. It's not, you know, it's just it's it's working.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And if anything, it's facilitating it, right? So the the like if you can take my example as an example, when uh when I would get and try to meditate, I would get panic attacks, right? And so, or when I was waking up in the middle of the night with five o'clock, you know, alarm like panic attacks, it was that it was all this energy moving that I had no idea where or how to move it, right? No idea. And in fact, when I was so sick, my body was just like it was moving out both holes, like I was just vomiting and diarrhea, like I just could not keep things down. It was because my body was it was trying to just move energy, it had no idea, it was so confused at that point. Yeah, and and then the realization with the castoral packs was like it's just helping me to move energy and feel because I couldn't feel, I didn't know how to feel. Like, I literally in the past decade have just finally like figured out how to feel in my body. Like, you know, I'm happy I never gave up. That's for sure. I'm happy I never gave up. And I won't ever give up. I'll keep going all your courses with me.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I love this. So you have a lot of resources on your website, like things like I mean, there's so many things I think we could have talked about that we'd we could share all day and talk about. You have is do you have like blog posts, articles, researching like all that stuff?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. They go to our website at uh queenofthethrones.com or and the other thing too is social media like Instagram, Queen of the Thrones, and then also like my Be Well Queen page. So that's B-E Well Queen. Um, that's that the Be Well Queen is really where I'm gonna be speaking a lot about the energetic side and go deep into it. You know, of course, with your blessing too, I'm gonna be talking about a lot of different things that that Wendy brings up because she's been such an integral teacher in my journey. Um, like back from back body to front body to grounding towards those things. The way that I learned them from you just like opened my eye and just blew my mind. And I'm like, this is this, this is what I've been feeling without being able to put it to words. And then I'm like, now it makes sense. Now now I see, right? Now I see the light. And so that's really going to be the space where you know I speak a lot about the energetics because to me now my mission has evolved. I never thought I would go down this way because I thought I was completely science-minded, and I did not think that I would ever have been, I never thought I would be this. But now not in resistance, I'm following the flow of the universe, and the entire time it's been guiding me to things like as a child, I would love Gregorian music, and you know, like I was already into all the energetic stuff of music, like like the music that I loved was a bit bewitching music, you know, like Claire de Dine and Moonlight Sanatas, and like like the old Gregorian chants from St. Hildegard Bung Bing. Like, I I was already into all this stuff, but I didn't read I wasn't giving myself the credit. And so, you know, I had to get out of that conventional paternalistic world mindset of science is the only way. Because at the end of the day, this entire journey, what it has shown me is that you know, it's where science and spirituality meet, that's where life really begins. Because we need both where that and it's and it we can correlate that too, where the physical body and the energetic body connect, that's where true living exists, right? At the end of the day, like take down. We just cannot continue to just look at the physical body, and we've got to look at our energetic side because it is that is that is that's the gem, right? That's the gem that we have, right? And that's the one that we forget to polish and shine, and it needs a little bit of polishing with castor oil and more, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I love it, I love it, and it is it's such a um, you know, in some ways, you know, Ayurveda and Chinese medicine integrate science and spirituality. It's here, it's in the West. We we've yeah, we've fragmented, we've got different compartments for things, and I think it's amazing just to bring it all together. And I love that this is something that's so convenient and it's easy to do, and it helps people ground, it helps them nourish, it helps them balance their energy centers, it helps people with stress and anxiety and sleeplessness, and it's like such a wonderful medicine that we can use.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it and literally it's just so basic. Like it is so basic. And the thing is, is it's like traditional Chinese medicine, like homeopathy, like Ayurveda, it's been used since the beginning of time. Like the first, yeah, the first fan of it is like Hippocrates, the father of medicine. Tell me if that's not a good endorsement or what, you know, and then Cleopatra loved it for beauty, but I'm confident, you know, in Egypt and ancient Greece, they used to do sleep temples, and in sleep temples, they would basically embalm the people when they would go in. And one of the oils they would use would be castor oil, right? And then they would do guided meditations, pretty much. The priests would be guiding these patients to feeling better while they slept.
SPEAKER_00:Wow, very fascinating. Yeah, that is very fascinating.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. So that's the ancient world, right? So we know and they haven't, if anything, now they become more famous castor oil packs. So they only fell out of fame because of the hassle that didn't fit within our, you know, North American fast-paced lifestyle. But now that they're easy, now we can do it again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I love it. I love it. Oh, thank you so much, Dr. Marisol. It's so wonderful to have you. Is there anything else you want to share? Any last words you want to share?
SPEAKER_01:The only thing would be to just, you know, if take this podcast as your sign if you clicked on it, and you know, don't do like I did and wait so long. Just try it, give it a try, see what it feels like. You know, be in that mind space of believe it and then you'll see it, right? Because that's the one where you bring encourage and the magic and the mystery into your life. We tend to always want to be like, I'll see it and then I'll believe it. But if you if you flip that over, you're already starting to become more energetically connected and intertwined, and that kind of opens up the door. But the castro pack is one of those things that if if there, if you've been struggling in your system, you think that it's like you're blaming it on everything and you're doing everything right. This is a step that you can take that can help put it together and put it in your body and help your body, you know, just really absorb and flow and and really receive all the goodness that you're really working so hard to give her, right? And you know, that'll nurture your inner child, your higher self. You'll just reconnect everything. So that's my that's my blessing. And and and know that all my products, I bless them energetically to make sure that they, you know, support and heal and help people really become really step into into into their lives, is my goal.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. I love that personal touch, yeah. And intention. Well, I am definitely inspired, re-inspired. And I have, you know, the the castor oil and the pack. If you again, if you're um, if you're interested, by all means, I'm gonna be using it myself. And your website is Queen of the Thrones.
SPEAKER_01:Queen of the Thrones. And I've got a link for you, Wendy, that'll go directly to an energetic cleanse package. Um, that is a very, very uh good discount for everybody. So take advantage of that because then that's a great way to kind of start and start on a more affordable tone and be able to, okay, like let's try this, let's see if if it works. And by the way, they make great Christmas presents. People go crazy and you'll be the talk of the town because most people at this point, especially if you're into the energy, the woo-woo, the wellness, most people have heard about and they they were just like me, just kind of like on the fence wanting to try it. So if you have a friend who's like that, like honestly, you will you will make their year, I guarantee.
SPEAKER_00:That's amazing.
SPEAKER_01:I love it.
SPEAKER_00:I love it. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. This has been such an enlightening and educational session. And I just really appreciate your time and sharing your expertise and your light with us. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Wendy, for all that you do.
SPEAKER_01:I'm a huge fan and will continue to be and just make sure that everyone knows the magic of you. And and thank you for being on this journey with me because you know we're supporting the energetic wellness of the world, which is great. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you so much. Thanks, everyone. We'll post links in the notes that come with this episode. And I look forward to seeing you in the next episode. Awesome.