The Ben & Jamesa Podcast: Conversations About Community
Welcome to The Ben & Jamesa Podcast, where we explore conversations about community.
In each episode we challenge each other, and you the listener, to unlearn old patterns and build more compassionate, authentic connections in every area of life.
If you're new here, start with episode #137, “Start Here,” for an overview of our work and podcast. After that, dive into any episode that resonates with you as we break down how to move from control to genuine connection.
The Ben & Jamesa Podcast: Conversations About Community
Ep. 138: Do White People Hate Racism Enough?
We hear it all the time: “Of course I hate racism.”
But when we start looking a little deeper — into silence, avoidance, who we protect, and what we’re willing to give up — the picture gets murkier.
In this episode, we’re talking honestly about the gap between intention and impact when it comes to anti-racism. We get into:
- Why it’s easier to say the right thing than to live differently
- How control, comfort, and avoidance keep racism alive
- What the recent Google discrimination lawsuit tells us about what’s still happening across workplaces — big and small
- And why not being racist is nowhere near enough
This isn’t about guilt or performance. It’s about getting honest, choosing discomfort, and doing something real with the privilege we’ve got.
Let’s get into it.
