Discover the transformative power of Chiron as we, Nadine and Laverne Proctor, guide you on a celestial journey in the latest "Guide to Universal Living" episode. We unravel the mysteries of astrology's wounded healer and promise that by the end of our discussion, you'll have a blueprint for identifying and healing your deepest emotional wounds. Together, we'll explore how your Chiron placement can shed light on patterns rooted in past lives, and how this knowledge is crucial for personal growth, especially in the enlightening year of 2024.
Embark on a path of self-awareness where we reveal how the mythological roots of Chiron guide us toward overcoming limitations and embracing a higher consciousness. As the Earth's vibration rises, it's imperative to align with this energy shift by confronting past traumas and integrating their lessons. We delve into how Chiron's placement in Aries is stirring up a collective call to action, urging us to adopt sustainable practices and prepare for the rapid technological and energetic changes on the horizon.
As we sail through the transformative life stages like the midlife crisis, we highlight the significance of the Chiron return around the age of 50—a profound period of upheaval and reflection. By understanding the planetary influences at play, we empower ourselves to navigate these shifts with grace and insight. Join us as we close the session with a meditation that invites reflection, healing, and evolution, anchoring the wisdom of Chiron within your daily life.
If you would like to learn more, you can connect with Laverne at Chiron Spectra Book a Free Conversation
To read more about Chiron, Laverne has gifted you the Chiron Chapter from Beyond Doorways – The Mysteries Revealed by Alexis Cartwright which you can download here.
You can find more information about the full book by Alexis Cartwright here.
Discover the transformative power of Chiron as we, Nadine and Laverne Proctor, guide you on a celestial journey in the latest "Guide to Universal Living" episode. We unravel the mysteries of astrology's wounded healer and promise that by the end of our discussion, you'll have a blueprint for identifying and healing your deepest emotional wounds. Together, we'll explore how your Chiron placement can shed light on patterns rooted in past lives, and how this knowledge is crucial for personal growth, especially in the enlightening year of 2024.
Embark on a path of self-awareness where we reveal how the mythological roots of Chiron guide us toward overcoming limitations and embracing a higher consciousness. As the Earth's vibration rises, it's imperative to align with this energy shift by confronting past traumas and integrating their lessons. We delve into how Chiron's placement in Aries is stirring up a collective call to action, urging us to adopt sustainable practices and prepare for the rapid technological and energetic changes on the horizon.
As we sail through the transformative life stages like the midlife crisis, we highlight the significance of the Chiron return around the age of 50—a profound period of upheaval and reflection. By understanding the planetary influences at play, we empower ourselves to navigate these shifts with grace and insight. Join us as we close the session with a meditation that invites reflection, healing, and evolution, anchoring the wisdom of Chiron within your daily life.
If you would like to learn more, you can connect with Laverne at Chiron Spectra Book a Free Conversation
To read more about Chiron, Laverne has gifted you the Chiron Chapter from Beyond Doorways – The Mysteries Revealed by Alexis Cartwright which you can download here.
You can find more information about the full book by Alexis Cartwright here.
Hello, hello, it's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life, health and the Universe, and this is the first episode where I am joined by my co-host, laverne Proctor, and we are branching off and we're calling these episodes Guide to Universal Living. So if you happened to listen to an episode towards the end of December, just before Christmas, you would have heard that Laverne and I have decided to do a collaboration. So if you haven't, you can go back and check that out, or you can just get started right here right now. So this is Guide to Universal Living. Laverne and I are going to be hosting these sessions once a month together. We'll be able to see them on the platform as purple images rather than the blue images that we have for the other episodes. And yeah, we're here for session one. So hello, laverne, it's good to see you.
Speaker 1:Hello, nadine, I hope you're Before we get stuck in, we'll have a little bit of a catch up.
Speaker 2:Sounds good, sounds good. I hope you had a good Christmas. Yeah, not too bad.
Speaker 1:I think it's Well. You know we all go through, it seems, similar experiences where you know we are oftentimes forced together with people that might trigger us like that, and so I've spent a fair bit of the last week, you know a little while over the festive season, just kind of trying to figure out what it is in me that's being triggered and why, and not just pointing the finger. But it's hard. How about you? What's been going on, nadine?
Speaker 2:I love you so much. We haven't talked about what I'm going to be covering in any detail and already you have tuned in to what today's session is going to be about. Oh, okay, cool Triggers Love it, and at the top level. If we to give it a topic title, it's about working through our Chiron, okay, and what triggers us. So you know what a beautiful place for you to start. Yes, we all get triggered and Christmas is the perfect time for us to all work through whatever we need to work through, to dig deep and find another level of unconditional love and compassion, first and foremost for ourselves, but also for family members, people in the community. So thank you, nadine, for that wonderful nugget of what we're going to be covering. So look, first and foremost, welcome to 2024.
Speaker 2:And when I was thinking about what topic we'd cover for our first proper podcast, I looked at well, what's 24? What's the focus in 2024 for all of us? And it's all about the mind, clearing old mindsets, releasing old pain, working more with our higher self for the birthing of new levels of consciousness. And I thought what better place to start in but to talk about Chiron. So today I'm going to be covering off. Well, what is Chiron? Because a lot of people don't know what it is, but a lot of people do know what Chiron is. Why is it important right now? How can we work with our Chiron? So those are three key areas that I'm going to be covering.
Speaker 2:But to start with, I thought, well, got to give a bit of background to Chiron, because there'll be a whole group of people that don't necessarily know about it and the fact that they're listening to this now is like right, pay attention, because 2024, this will be a good aspect of self to be working with. But also, I'm going to provide and work through one example, one Chiron, so that people can get more of an imprint. Well, what does this really mean? You're talking about all these things. What does that mean? And we agreed and decided that we're going to separately stop the recording and create and finish with a beautiful meditation that will really link into the Chiron and that people can listen to or really listen to at their leisure. So today's podcast will finish with a meditation. It will be separate and that will just complete this whole process. So does that sound good to you?
Speaker 1:Sounds great. I'm not going to keep stoned because I've already got questions. So just for the listeners, if you didn't hear our sort of little spoiler that we did before Christmas, we I don't know what Laverne is going to talk about. She hasn't kind of given me the outline. That's the first bit I've heard. She did tell me it was going to be about Chiron and that was it. So, yeah, I'm just going to be here hanging around, listening and taking notes as much as I can, and then looking at my notes and hoping that I can make sense of them afterwards and then we'll get stuck into, like me, asking all the questions because I'm a nosy parka. Before we do start, I'm going to have one little thing. I feel like Chiron is significant for you, laverne, specifically because your business name is Chiron Spectra, so there's some significance there. I wonder whether you chose the name due to like some experiences around Chiron. Do you want to share that now or wait?
Speaker 2:Nadine, you're brilliant. It's really funny. You said that because I was wondering if you'd pick up on that. Yes, my business name. I operate under the name of Chiron Spectrum, which I came up with that name in 2006, did nothing with it for many years, didn't really operate under a business as such at all, and when it came up I'm going to be calling my name Chiron Spectrum, I thought, oh God, can't I be a bit more creative than that? You know, because there is, because my primary modality that I work with is Transference Healing.
Speaker 2:There is a Chiron procedure that we work with. It's an aetheric procedure. We tune into the Chiron point within the body, energetic body and we work with the Chiron. I thought it was uncool, uncreative at the time, and as time's gone on and as I smile at myself more and more, I think, okay, I understand that this is an important thing for me and I'll leave it at that for now. And, yes, so it's still uncool, but now I can see why I call my business Chiron Spectra. So, look, let's first look at what is the Chiron and I'm going to be referenced in Transference Healing Bid. It's the energy system I work with, so I'm naturally going to be drawn to reference that.
Speaker 2:Okay, from a Transference Healing perspective, there are people that work with the Chiron around the world. There's astrologers are tapping into it and working with it a lot, so this isn't unique to Transference Healing. So I just want to put that up front. But from a Transference Healing perspective, we call the Chiron the Holy Grail of Healing. But what is that exactly? So from our perspective, your Chiron represents a core wounding that you've come in with to work with in this lifetime. So it has two facets it represents your greatest strength, your gift to the world, but it also represents your greatest weakness, your Achilles heel. So understanding both extremes of your Chiron, the positive and the negative, and finding the balance within that, how do you operate within your Chiron wounding in this lifetime is how you can support not only a healing process that it creates when you do work through it, but also the acceleration of your personal and spiritual growth. So it's like a cornerstone really of healing energetically. So it doesn't really matter what your level of spiritual understanding is or advancement. Chiron is impacting everyone and depending on how much you've worked through your Chiron, consciously or unconsciously, through your life right now, wherever you are in your life, you know, will depend on how big an impact that might be having on you right now. So, if you've done a lot of work on yourself and you've you're actually familiar with Chiron or not familiar with Chiron, you might find that it's not so intense for you than it might be for someone else. Okay, because and basically the universe, more so than ever before, and definitely through 2024, 25, 26, you know, this decade in particular the universe is going to be pushing us all and, whether we're conscious of this fact or not, we're being pushed to grow, we're being pushed to evolve and we're pushed, we'll be pushed, to ascend Now there will be future episodes that I'll talk more of to those elements, but, in a nutshell, we could look at Chiron from three aspects from a cosmology perspective, we can look at Chiron from an astrology perspective and we can look at Chiron from a mythology perspective. So, from a cosmology perspective at the top level, because I want to try and keep this as net as possible for everyone and as simple as possible.
Speaker 2:Chiron was discovered in 1997. And is actually classified as a minor planet or a planetoid that travels between Saturn and Uranus in a 51 year orbit. So Chiron, from a cosmology perspective, symbolizes a bridge between the physical, represented by Saturn, which works through all things related to our physical plane, and a bridge between that physical and the spiritual plane, represented by Uranus, which works more through the mental plane and heightening our consciousness, creating liberation and embodiment of enlightenment, and trying to unify the physical and the spiritual aspects of self, but importantly, identifying that it can trigger, when we work with our Chiron, it can trigger our perception, a shift in our perception on health and healing. So cosmology, from a cosmology perspective, 1997 was really the time when it was triggered. Astrologers were starting to see it in natal charts. So if we look at it from a astrology perspective, most people are familiar with astrology now A lot of people have had their astrology charts mapped.
Speaker 2:So most would have heard of Chiron if they're into astrology and its placement, and that it's worked out as part of your natal astrology chart and the Chiron placement in your chart is calculated by the date of your birth. So your sun sign is calculated by the date of the birth, but so is your Chiron. So it's quite easy to work out what your Chiron is through the date of the birth and what it reveals is well, what's the core wounding that you've chosen to work with in this lifetime and basically try and support your personal evolution process through working through that wounding. So, depending on where your Chiron placement is will depend on what your core wounding will be and what you'll compel to delve into. Literally, we're all going to be compelled more and more to work through and shift patterning that doesn't serve us, so patterns of behavior in support of our self-healing and ascension process. So the Chiron planetoid so essentially it transits through the solar system, triggering energetic changes within the earth, human consciousness and each of us individually. So we can learn a lot about ourselves through astrology and we can definitely learn a lot about the way we respond to life by understanding what our core wounding is and what we've chosen to work through in this lifetime. So, in essence, our Chiron wounding creates natural triggers in how we respond to circumstances in our life. So it supports us to learn to know ourselves. And if we can work out what our Chiron wounding is, our prevalent core wounding and understanding what triggers us is the first step in working through our Chiron. So understanding what the Chiron is and then observing that is a really good first step for all of us.
Speaker 2:So, lastly, chiron also represents from a mythology perspective, specifically Greek mythology, the Centaur. So the Centaur is half man, half horse and he was the offspring of Saturn, god of agriculture, and the Nymph, philara, who was born a Centaur through Saturn and Philara, but he was rejected by his mother and he was abandoned by his father, but he was taken under the wing of Apollo, the God of light. So from a mythology perspective, essentially Chiron was an immortal being and developed a core wound after being pissed in the leg while living in the physical realm. And to heal his wound he set up on a journey to heal himself and, through travelling many dimensions looking for a cure for his wounding in his leg, he accumulated deep, deep knowledge and wisdom from interdimensional forms of different types of healing and became known as the Master Healer. So that's the background to Chiron. So, from a mythology perspective, the energy of Chiron basically compels us to recognise and identify our own internal core wounding, our own internal weaknesses and, as we identify with our core wounding, what that creates. So when we can heal through the energetic support of Chiron, we can overcome our core wounding, overcome weaknesses, work through limitations, ultimately return to our universal body of light, wholeness, truth and love. So that's the background to Chiron from three different aspects, and some of you listeners may be familiar with one aspect over another aspect, or this may all be new information.
Speaker 2:But you could ask yourself, well, why is this important now? Well, it did appear in astrologers charts in 1997 and it's been building and building and building, and the intensity of that you hear, from an astrology perspective, about Mercury, mercury and Reticrade, or the Moon and Venus, you know, and what those things represent. Well, chiron is at the forefront for all of us right now. And because we are at a point of evolutionary process where we, universally, are being pushed to evolve, whether we like it or not, consciously aware of this or unconsciously, the earth is shifting into a higher frequency, a higher vibration, and we, as humanity, also need to shift into that higher frequency and to do this we need a clear, old, wounding, old patterning, limitations that don't serve us, and so that we can, as the earth evolves into a higher vibration, we evolve into that higher vibration too. So this is all about ascensions, about our evolutionary process. You can look back in time how man has evolved. Well, this is taking our evolution to a whole other level and a way of being Okay. So Chiron is paying an important part right now, and that's why it's an important subject to be covering Now the way we do this.
Speaker 2:Well, we need to work through our core, wounding our weaknesses and restrictions. Our Chiron is basically, essentially, a pattern of behaviour made up from emotional pain that we haven't been able to work through in previous lives and it's built up. And it's built up and there will be a specific pattern of behaviour or wounding that we said look, we haven't been able to work through this in previous lives and it's building and building and building, and I'm going to bring it through and choose to work through it in this lifetime. So, wherever you land is something that you can reflect on, say, okay, it's something I haven't been able to nail, I haven't been able to work through it, so I've chosen to bring it back through in this lifetime, and now I'm at a pinnacle, turning point in our evolutionary process. So I'm here working with it again on a whole other level. So Chiron's appearance in your chart is a catalyst for profound healing.
Speaker 2:When I talk about healing, I'm talking about letting go of old wounding, old pain, not only from this lifetime but from many, many, many lives, and when we clear old pain, we allow personal and spiritual awakening and the whole empowerment process to birth. So Chiron, basically, is a catalyst for our growth, so it's quite profound. So we can ask ourselves well, how do we work with it? First and foremost, when you know what your Chiron is, you can work with it, can't you? It's a bit like anything. When you know you've got a pattern of behavior and you're conscious of it, you can say, hmm, that pattern of behavior is not serving me. I can see what it creates when I play that pattern of behavior out. So knowing what your Chiron is is useful, because then you can consciously work with it. So, hmm, because we're all not the same Chiron and anyone listening to this podcast what I've chosen to do to demonstrate my point and everything we've just talked about at the top level, I've chosen to demonstrate by working or talking about Chiron in areas and the reason why I've chosen Chiron in areas though some of your listeners will be Chiron in areas, so this will be really useful for them.
Speaker 2:But I've chosen Chiron in areas because Chiron in areas is transiting the earth as we speak and it's transiting the earth until June 2026. So not only does this mean any baby being born right now will be their Chiron will be Aries, but also there will be a whole bunch of us that will. That Chiron in areas would have been transiting at different points in time and you may have been born under that transit at that time, at some point in the last 50, 100 years, whatever. So this is also not only relevant for babies being born right now for Chiron areas where it was transiting the planet at the time of your birth, but it's also relevant for the rest of humanity, because you don't have to be Chiron in areas to relate to some of the wounding that I'm going to talk to, because we all will experience wounding of each of the Chiron's. But all it's saying really is well, if your Chiron lands in the Aries, it would be magnified on a whole nother level. The intensity of that wounding would be far greater for someone whose Chiron sits in that transit versus someone who's got a different Chiron. Okay, but it is relevant to everyone because it is transiting the Earth until 2026. So we will see this Chiron in Aries playing out globally and we'll talk to that more in a moment.
Speaker 2:So, in essence, if we choose Aries as the example, so the core wounding for Chiron in Aries would be around self-worth, it'll be around rejection and it's around self-identity. That's it in a natural or top level. But the gift for Chiron in Aries when they work through the lower attributes is empowerment, and Chiron in Aries are catalysts for others in a positive way. So if your Chiron is in Aries, you may find that you are a catalyst for other people and when you're playing that Chiron in an empowered way, it's a very positive thing. I'm going to mention the Ascended Master. That's aligned to two Chiron Aries and each Chiron has their own Ascend Master is Archangel Michael and the relevancy of that is we're going to be pulling that in as part of the meditation.
Speaker 2:But Chiron in Aries in essence represents understanding the dynamics of how we run our energy, how we respond to things and how we use our power and what that creates so magnified. For if it is your Chiron but it's you know the wounding is relevant to all of us. We all relate to it and so if your Chiron in Aries, the wounding is really about can be about creating issues for you around dynamics with other people. Right, it seems to be more natural that you know Chiron in Aries there will be dynamics that play out around you because of your energy and the way you hold your sense of self. But often the Chiron in Aries can struggle with feelings of being unloved. So when you're at a point you're still working through the lower attributes of Chiron in Aries. It's really about working through the struggle of feelings of being unloved or misunderstood, not just as a child but as an adult. It can play out with low self-worth it can build, you know, play out as defense mechanisms that play out. So for Chiron in Aries, they need to feel validated, especially when they're in their wounding. They need to feel validated in the world. They need to feel understood.
Speaker 2:So some Chiron in Aries can be very forthright and self-righteous. But to be honest, you know I'm not picking on Chiron in Aries because you can think about it well, I can have my moments of being forthright and self-righteous, but I'm not a Chiron in Aries, so it might be more pronounced if you're Chiron in Aries. But we all feel that on some level and this may play out where you know Chiron in Aries might exert their power. They have this exertion of power and energy and that can impact others. But conversely, there are Chiron in Aries and I've met both types that can be really sensitive and have a tendency towards, you know, self-worth and self-judgment, and they're far more quieter, and you know they don't have that confidence. They can be easily depleted and be quite hypersensitive to other people. So the strength, the flip side of that, though, is their empowerment, and so Chiron in Aries becomes very powerful. When they're really holding their sense of self and really holding it in a pure way, they can become very powerful energetically and personally, and they can really hold a sense of self in the world, and they become very positive catalysts for others. So, generally, let us pull it back to a general level.
Speaker 2:Question for all of us is about observing how do I respond in situations that challenge me, what defence mechanisms comes into play when I'm being triggered, what triggers me when I'm feeling at my most vulnerable, or someone around me is just generally triggering me, and how do I respond in that moment? When I'm triggered From a Chiron Aries specifically, it's about developing a strong sense of self-identity. It's about developing the emotions and understanding the energetic impact a Chiron Aries can have on others. When a Chiron Aries can really purify the power centre and really harness their power and energy positively and constructively, chiron Aries will be seen as the warrior. So they have these beautiful warrior energy that in itself can create for others issues around energy and power.
Speaker 2:So you can hold your sense of self as a Chiron energy and that can impact people. But if you're holding it in a pure way, people around you may be impacted and they might respond negatively towards you. But if you hold it in a pure way and unconditionally and with compassion, people will come round. So it's about holding that so it can initiate power plays for the Chiron Aries. But the Chiron Aries when they hold it in a post where it's about empowerment, they become great healers for those around them because they can hold their sense of self. So as they unlock their gifts and talents, they become great teachers and leaders. So you can see the real positive aspect to a Chiron Aries and what they create in the world.
Speaker 2:So if you take that essence and you take it on a more universal level, so if Chiron Aries is transiting the earth right now, you can look at this from a universal level and see how Chiron Aries can be related to the way we are living our lives right now, the way the world is playing out, the activities that are playing out in the world right now Because, on a universal level, chiron Aries is really influencing all of humanity at this time, and so we can see this being triggered by its attributes, which is influencing us all globally. And if you look globally and see how Chiron Aries is working, you can look around and see well, what is the leadership styles we're noticing around the world? How are those leaders using their power? How are they using their power of influence? What are they creating dynamics around energy players with other countries? So, how are they using, how are those leaders using their power? We can definitely see good examples of good leaders and how they're using their power for good. And we can see well, not so good leaders and maybe they're not using their power in a positive way for the greater good. But we can definitely see playing out around the world, different activities around in examples where there's a lot of clearing of abuse and a lot of clearing of abuse of power. So, chiron, you can see how Chiron Aries is impacting us all, globally and humanity.
Speaker 2:But there's another aspect to Chiron Aries universally is about energy. So it's also about how we're exploiting the planet's energy reserves and the natural resources and so, on a positive level, it's about how do we find positive ways globally, as a global community, to harness natural energy resources non-destructively? Again, we can see positive examples of companies really trying to spearhead natural ways of creating energy for our way of living. And we can see that, well, maybe we're depleting our energy reserves and, you know, we're really in that time of transition from the old way of using energy of the planet into new ways. So, as global citizens and you know, as Kairon Anaris really compels us to find new strategies in our life, new strategies in our communities and in our country, not individually but collectively, and to do that thoughtfully. So hopefully that gives you a bit of an imprint. I've used Kairon Anaris and hopefully that gives you a bit of imprint. Wow, you know. Yes, I can see why Kairon might be something worth exploring further.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so look just to finish on that, and no doubt you've got a few questions. It's about, well, ways to work with Kairon. First and foremost, I would say to people well, find out what your Kairon is, Investigate what values.
Speaker 1:How does someone find out what their Kairon is? So?
Speaker 2:I'm going to provide. We're going to be providing a link to a chapter that people can download from the Beyond Always book that has been carefully crafted and channeled by Alexis Cartwright. It can be found in the Beyond Always book but I can provide a link that people can download that particular chapter to review everything I've sort of touched on but also work out what their Kairon is. That chapter also gives people, once they've understand what their Kairon is, it'll give them a meditation. It'll give them decrees and vacations to work with, specifically with their Kairon, and so anyone can access that. But we can all learn a lot from our Kairon and basically embrace it positively, say, okay, I need to work through these things, but embrace it positively. And the more we can embrace it and more consciously work with our Kairon, the more we can see the positive ripple effect that has out in our reality. But so there will be a link for people that they can go and check that out and, just as an imprint, after we've had some questions, I'm going to be drawing on a meditation.
Speaker 2:It will be around Kairon and Aries because, as I said, it's impacting everyone. But it'll be super useful if your Kairon is in Aries and it'll be useful for everyone else on a different level. So I've created a meditation, I've used the meditation from the Beyond Always book so you can see how you can work with the meditation from the procedures within the Kairon Aries, within Beyond Always, which is channeled by Alexis Cartwright, and I've created a meditation around that that we're going to finish with.
Speaker 1:Okay, thank you. I've got a lot of questions I'm not going to talk about. I'm not going to ask you all of them, because we could be here all day. There's so many different directions we could go in, but I'm just thinking from the perspective of the listener right now. What you spoke about to me, because I've heard about Kairon, I kind of I know a little bit about astrology. I've experienced transference healing, which is your modality. I'm interested in human design, the gene keys, so I'm reading about this kind of stuff right, and so to me it makes complete and perfect sense.
Speaker 1:There's going to be a whole bunch of people out there that thinks we are off our heads, so we got to try and convince them that we're not. So, look, let's just put some things into perspective because, like I think you're absolutely, like you're totally, I'm totally with you, and I know, like it makes absolutely 100% sense, that we are evolving as a human race at an extraordinary pace. If you look back, even 10 or so years ago, we didn't have social media right. We didn't have this connectedness of around the world. There's just so many things going on from a technological point of view, but also from an astrological point of view, we understand so much more about you know how many planets are actually out there, what's actually going on in not just the world, because it's very easy to just get caught up in. You know our day to day lives, but there's a whole bunch of stuff going on, like we continue, you know as universally as a planet like, and the universe is still expanding, it's not static. There's a lot going on and I think that we really need to.
Speaker 1:We need, as you said, we need to start paying more attention to this, because we are evolving and we don't want to get there and go holy crap, I don't know what just happened. We need to be prepared. So, yeah, we could go down a whole bunch of different rabbit holes, but let's, let's just try and get some perspective around a couple of things, okay, so the first thing is just going to ask you a little bit about past lives, because I probably really I don't know like I'd heard people talk about it. I've probably read some stories and stuff about you know past life experiences and that sort of thing, but I didn't know whether I was really bought into that idea until more recently and I kind of get that sense of like we're, we're all energy in human form, right, and so that energy shifts and changes and the human form grows and dies, but the energy inside is really that that's the thing that's evolving, right? Would you agree with that Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and so we, and so we have this. We have this ability, this power to evolve from, and that's kind of what that's the spirit, right, that it's energy. It's been proven now, like we know, that we are human form but that there's energy. You know, I don't I don't feel equipped to talk about quantum stuff, but but it's been proven. It's like it's not made up, scientists know about it and actually some scientists are going. I don't know how to explain it, but yeah, that seems to be the thing. So, and I think that we kind of go really there.
Speaker 1:We get to this point and, interestingly sorry, I'm kind of I'm blabbering on a bit this is just what's coming out. We get to this point in our lives which, in you know, everyday life, is called the midlife crisis. But, quite honestly, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on from a planetary point of view. And this is really interesting when you talk about Chiron in Aries, because I have Chiron in Aries and I'm going to be 50 in a few months time and so I'm having my Chiron return right now. Our lives aren't static, the planets aren't static. Everything's moving, everything's evolving and we can't expect that we don't move with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, and so it's not like we're born. We, you know, we grow up, we get married, have, you know, buy a house, have some children, and then we die and that's it. We kind of get to this middle of our lives and we go. What is this actually all about? And that's the things like car room. Right, correct, it's the trick, their triggers in our lives to make us think. And, yeah, people do do weird and out of the ordinary things like going by a car or, you know, have a massive holiday or divorce their partner because there's this massive energetic shift for them and they kind of go. I need to change, I need to evolve.
Speaker 2:I think the critical aspect for you or anyone who's borderline I don't know if this is real or not is to always bring it back to as a most practical level in your own life. So anything you hear, you know or read about is to really draw on essence of what's been spoken and bring it back to yourself, have an inquiry mind, be inquisitive, be open enough to explore. And especially now in 2024, people are gonna be pushed energetically to really work through old mindsets. So, however you run your consciousness, however you perceive the world, things are going to crop up this year to trigger you to start thinking differently and doing things differently. And I mentioned up front really it's like when you see something negative playing out for you and it's really about being really honest with yourself and when you look at the current, you really look at the negative aspect of the Chiron, right. So okay, well, that's interesting. Yeah, okay, well, if I'm really honest with myself, I can see that and so well, that's okay. Everyone's got a Chiron wounding, a wounding or things they need to work through. So this is mine. Let's face it head on and start chipping away and start working with it, but getting very honest with yourself and recognizing what's really coming up for me, rather than suppressing emotions or feelings or thoughts, allowing them to rise and then having the courage to say, well, this isn't serving me anymore, I'm going to let this go, you know, and holding onto something that either happened yesterday, last week, last year, or I'm holding. You know, I have these feelings, I don't know where they come from. I've had a reasonable life. Well, being open. Well, maybe you are a divine being having a human experience and you've been to planet Earth playground many, many times and maybe in previous lives you've had some really interesting experiences, good and bad, and some of those you've held onto and they're carrying through this lifetime and it's playing out in my life, you know.
Speaker 2:Just having being open to that, I think, is a really good starting point for people, because if you can be open and, as things transpire and unravel this year, you can see things for what they are and then just really surrender to that and try and move through that, you're less likely to go into the struggle of something and really get caught up in the struggle. And if you can rise above that and say, look, I'm feeling really bad today and this is what's coming up for me, but hey, you know I'm gonna look at different ways to letting that aspect go and just rising above that and really connecting up to a higher aspect of self. Then you will rise above things and be able to move through life with more ease and grace and go with the flow and really just surrender. To me it's as simple as that. And then testing the theory. If anything new you hear, just test the theory and how does that resonate for you in your life?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd say, look, I don't think I'm actually gonna ask any more question, Like I didn't even ask a question, did I just kind of commented? One thing I find really interesting is and there's no denying it, it's really interesting how, like Chiron was discovered in 1997, right, it's been there, it's been there, but it's only just been discovered and it started to get used in astrology. Because people in astrology, they observe behavior over a period of time. It's not just some kind of like oh you're in Aries, read your stars in the newspaper. Like astrologers historically studied people throughout their lifetimes, where the stars were what people's habits, behaviors, lifestyles. They recorded these things meticulously, I think over thousands of years, right, this is where it comes from.
Speaker 1:It's not just make-believe stuff that you read your stars every so often, but that how, there's the mythological story of Chiron, right, and it's curious, fascinating, and I don't know how they do it, but it's like there's a planet that got discovered. Let's call it Chiron, right, they don't know the symbolism of it in someone's life or do that like they don't go. Oh well, that planet probably represents the wounded healer for people. Let's call it Chiron, and then it starts to work in astrology. It's like they're all already interconnected. It's amazing like that mythological story has been around for I don't know how long, but the significance of the planet being called that and how that planet's impact plays out for us represents the mythology of a story that's thousands of years old, correct and, part of it, amazing the power of what you and I, hopefully, we will be creating.
Speaker 2:We will be creating is jigsaw pieces. So someone might be really familiar with astrology oh yeah, that may. And then you know we're introducing another concept that links everything. Everything in the universe is connected, everything. And there might be three dots away from something that you already know, but it's building bridges and supporting a person's own inner knowledge and knowing and what they've learned in this journey and what they've brought in, and just creating those connections. So you've beautifully have stated you know you can look at the mythology aspect and you can see the connection with the planetoid aspect and how that triggered the astrology and how that's now appearing Big time in everyone's astrology chart.
Speaker 2:And everyone's talking about Chiron. You know a lot of people are talking about Chiron. It's not unique to Transmence Healing. And you start to draw parallels and then when you delve under that, you say, oh, you know, I have this type of pattern and you drill down on, well, what's my Chiron? You say, oh, I've got that pattern of behavior. Oh, I do that, I play that. Yes, that's something that plays out in my life. That's how you draw links and you start to unravel well, what's real for me? You know what resonates for me and how can that be useful for me, how can I work with that in my daily life, and really that's what we're trying to explore and create. You know topics of understanding that might be new for some. Just underlines something for someone else or completely someone knows already and just re-reminds them. Oh yeah, good point.
Speaker 1:I've got to look at my Chiron.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, laverne, I'm going to close, like start to bring us to a close. I would suggest very similarly to you, like, if you have a Chiron, if you have listeners, if you've listened to this and you're like I am, my brain's like exploding with information. I'm not sure whether I'm into it or not Check out your Chiron and just see if there's anything that seems familiar for you, because I can bet your bottom dollar, even if you just kind of Google Chiron in whatever planet, no, whatever Star sign, find out your Chiron using the link that we're going to put in the notes Google what does Chiron in blah blah mean? And you'll find some significance to your own life. It will feel familiar. You'll be like, yeah, that's me. Keep listening to these episodes because, like Laverne said, it's going to build, little pieces will come together and it's going to start to make more sense, be more relevant and, yeah, I can only expect that you'll hopefully be illuminated by the wisdom that Laverne's sharing with us. Thank you, laverne.
Speaker 2:Thank you. So, look, we're going to be. As Nadine said, we're going to be finishing this part of the podcast because we wanted to create a beautiful meditation and we're working with Chiron through that meditation and it's working. I'm referencing specific Transference, Healing, energetic procedures that can be found in this chapter, Chiron, that you can download and you can re-use the meditation and work with the meditation when you feel fit. But also go to the Chiron chapter and work out. Well, Chiron and Aries, it was brilliant. My Chiron is over here. I'm going to look at the procedures and just start playing. Start playing with it. It's really what we're trying to get people to move out of what is deemed normal and think outside the square, move beyond the envelope and start playing and testing Topics that we're going to be covering over the next 12 months.
Speaker 1:Yep, alright, thank you, laverne. Guys, check out the meditation, which will be a separate recording inside the platform, and we'll see you again next month. Thanks, laverne.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Nadine.
Speaker 1:Bye for now.