Mind Mastery and the Art of Living Purposefully

Embark on an enlightening journey where traumas transform into triumphs and the mind's power transcends the ordinary.
My conversation with Maria Vamvouklis, a sage in business performance coaching, holistic health, and behavioural therapy, uncovers the symbiotic relationship between personal healing and professional success. Maria brings to light how neurolinguistic programming, hypnosis, and naturopathy have not only shaped her path but also the lives of those she guides, illuminating the profound effects of embracing traumas and reprogramming our neural pathways for a more empowered life.

Maria has always had an obsession with discovering the truth of existence, which
led her down a rabbit hole of discovery. She studied Complementary Medicine –
Naturopathy, Homeopathy, nutrition, fitness, NLP, hypnotherapy, Time Line
Therapy®, and esoteric and occult studies. All these modalities are fantastic but
when infused and merged, it creates a very powerful transformational approach.

Maria has a gift for digging deep, uncovering and unravelling patterns that are
hidden deep within your psyche. Her approach is accelerated and can completely
restructure your internal and external world to support you in creating the life and
business you desire.

Maria has been in business since 2008 and has owned and operated a brick-and-
mortar business before stepping into the coaching space. Her experience in
business and personal and spiritual development is impressive.

Maria believes that you absolutely can have it all, the question is: What layers are
you willing to unravel and let go of to reach the highest version of yourself?

Maria’s mission is to help people unlock their highest potential and create the life
and income they desire.

Navigating the landscape of well-being, we touch upon the merits of natural medicine and vegetarianism, probing their roles in optimising our bodily and mental functions. Maria's own transformation, triggered by combating physical ailments, led her to the epiphany that perhaps the most elusive piece of the wellness puzzle was nestled within the folds of our cerebral fabric. Maria and I dissect the essence of NLP, debunk common misconceptions, and explore the real potency of affirmations and hypnosis in catalysing personal evolution.

As we waltz through the nuances of ego mastery and purpose discovery, we uncover the shifts that often arise as we approach life's milestones, particularly the age of 40. Maria shares her esoteric wisdom, drawing upon hermetic principles to aid in the unwrapping of one's life purpose. We address the importance of bespoke coaching techniques in navigating through life's plateaus and the deep-seated significance of purpose, both personal and collective. This exchange is not just a discussion; it's a beacon for those seeking to dismantle limiting beliefs and embrace transformative growth. Join us on this inspiring voyage that promises to leave you with a renewed zest for life and a clear sense of purpose.

You can check out her website here

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Hello, hello. It's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life, health and the Universe, and this week I'm joined by my guest, maria VanVookles. Hello, maria.

Speaker 2: 0:14

Hi Nadine.

Speaker 1: 0:16

Now I was just doing the life things hanging out the washing before before our call and I was like how long have I actually known Maria? We go back a fairly long way and I reckon it was pre-kids, so that's going on like 10 years plus. You and I first met each other when you came to train in our gym in Sydney back in the day and we've kind of had like I guess you know, we see each other and then we don't see each other and we see each other again. And then you popped up. You know I saw you on Facebook.

Speaker 1: 0:53

We were part of a business women's network together and so, yeah, we've kind of kept in touch that way. And then I saw a post of yours last week or the week before and I was like there's some things in there I want to talk to this woman about. I'm going to invite her onto the podcast. So welcome. Thank you for accepting my invitation and I'm going to hand over to you so you can do an intro of yourself, because I haven't actually introed anything about you. So you can do that and then we'll get stuck in.

Speaker 2: 1:27

Sure, my name is Maria Van Vierkles. I am a business performance coach. I'm also an NLP trainer, hypnosis trainer, naturopath, and I've got a background in holistic health as well as behavioral therapy as well. My business I founded, the conscious CEO, as well as a training school called the conscious awakening school, and all of those things encompass both mind, body and soul in assisting people in their own transformational journey.

Speaker 1: 2:08

Just a small job. So if you don't, we're going to have a lot to talk about. I have no doubt that we are going to like there's so many different things that we could talk about. I'm going to use I've already asked for your approval for this to read out some of the posts that you shared, because, although you've been talking, you introduce yourself and the main thing that you seem to do and I've been following you on socials for a while as well is that NLP, which is neurolinguistic programming right, yes, and you talk a lot about helping entrepreneurs get over imposter syndrome and that sort of stuff. So like a lot of deep kind of mental mindset blocks mindset blocks right, yeah. And then this post popped up about you being a naturopath and I was like this is interesting. She's changed her job, but you haven't. So I think that's interesting in itself. So let me read out, before we go on, part of your post. So you said, after becoming a practitioner and opening your clinic in 2009,.

Speaker 1: 3:23

Natural medicine and remedies have always been run deep in your blood, your heart and your soul. You still love holistic medicine and have kept your clinic work behind the scenes while shining the light on your NLP coaching and training business. Clients, to this day, still approach you for treatments. However, you haven't advertised it. And then you go on to say I've never shared what happens in my personal life, as I've been through a lot and I've kept most of my most of it private, as I'm not one to play a victim of circumstance and I value maintaining the integrity of my career. The last 20 years have been a ride of realizing that my traumas and wounds are my medicine, my remedy, my therapy. They say only when one reaches 40, they then start to mature. I never got this, but I understand now that we experience life's turmoil and traumas, to really unravel who we are, to become what we're meant to be here for. And okay, so for all the modalities I'm going to just keep reading to the end, I was just seeing how it was going for all the modalities that have that you've learned naturopathy, herbal medicine, homeopathy, nutrition, nlp, hypnotherapy, counseling, timeline therapy you would not be here today. They've saved your life.

Speaker 1: 4:42

Had you not gone through what you've been through, you don't think you could have done the work that you do. Okay, so that's oh and okay. Let's finish with this. I can't miss this bit out because this is a really good topic for conversation. All my wounds are gifts and it takes time and open heart and open mind and courage to heal myself, absolutely, wow. So we've got a whole bunch of things in there and, as I said before we hit record that post is life, health and the universe is right in there, and they're all the things I like talking about because they are so deeply interconnected Absolutely, and I really love that.

Speaker 1: 5:26

You have now kind of decided well, I don't know if it's been a conscious decision, but it seems to be that you've gone, hang on a minute, I'm a naturopath and I can help people heal in the health space as well as in that emotional healing space, and that they are actually interconnected.

Speaker 1: 5:45

And I have thought that in my work as well, like so much of the stuff that you do when you're a personal trainer and you're coaching people with their physical body is the emotional stuff and the emotional blocks that they come up against, and, yeah, but also the fact that when people are healthy, I think that mentally and emotionally, we can tap into that deeper subconscious because we're clearheaded, and so, yeah, they definitely are intertwined. So, yeah, all right, where should we start? All right, multiple jobs. Let's start with multiple jobs, because I know that this is the thing right and I'm kind of coming to grips with it as a you know, I'm actually nearly 50. But between 40 and 50, there's been this big change and, by the way, you haven't said very much yet. This is about you and I'm just the one doing all the talking. But what was I going to say?

Speaker 1: 6:56

Yeah, now I've John transition, oh yeah, and so I've kind of I've, over time, come to the realization that it's actually okay to do multiple things and be multiple, multiply talented, but it's kind of round one.

Speaker 2: 7:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, that was one thing I had to, I think in my mind get over, because, you know, for the last 10, 10, 15, almost 20 years now actually, I've kind of saw myself as a jack of all trades and I kind of key hold myself into that and not really going okay, well, if I'm a jack of all trades, I can't be a master of one specific thing. But now, as I've matured into my career, I would say that you can have skills, skill sets in various different areas, but you have your own unique gift in how you deliver that skill set and that's the mastery of that skill in one package, rather than going key, holding yourself and saying I'm a naturopath and this is all that I do. Hence why, you know, that post came about was because I had been contemplating, because I was like I have all this knowledge, I have all this skill set and people are asking me you know questions over the recently and I was like, well, do I bring that back in and go? Hey, this is what I do, actually, not just this one thing which is NLP and hypnosis. So I decided in the last six months to actually bring that back in and go. You know what I actually do, work holistically, both body, mind, and you know spirit as well. So it's kind of like looking at someone and getting the complete package, rather than just looking at one modality and treating one specific problem one way only and being able to overcome this jack of all trades.

Speaker 2: 9:10

I think that's where you have to let go of that belief and be okay with with what you do and who you are and how you deliver those, those gifts and those services to people, to be able to know that you can help them doesn't matter, depending on you know you do ABC and D to do that.

Speaker 2: 9:31

And that's kind of how that's come about in terms of me moving forward and advertising it, let's say, and putting it back out there to let people know well, actually this is what I do and if you're interested, I can also do this with you as well. And it's funnily enough because with my clients, when I'm working with them, they'll come to me for business advice and ask me about this, and then they'll start saying, oh, but I feel burnt out of, feeling run down and my health and this and that. And then I'll tell them from a naturopathic perspective, because I have the qualifications, and I am a naturopath, actually, this is what you can do, so they they already get that without them really knowing that. That's what's happening A lot of the time, yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:26

It's so good, I do think, because I mean, have you had? Have you had? You've obviously done a lot of personal. You know development work yourself, but have you found it that there is like a perception where people are like, well, what does it mean that you do then, or not really? Yeah, you find it hard to explain.

Speaker 2: 10:51

Sometimes, depending on the person that I'm talking to, I kind of establish where they are, what what they're thinking is, what their understanding of it is, in order to articulate it in a way that comes across to them in their language, rather than me just telling them what I do. And then I'm like they're glazed over because they're like I have no idea what you do. But I think it's about opening up that conversation and asking them questions and then them questioning themselves to create their own understanding of what exactly it is. Yeah, sure, sure.

Speaker 1: 11:34

You kind of touch on in that particular post that your own life experiences are kind of like. There have been the, let's say, the fertile soil for your work to grow right. So you're at a place now in your 40s where you kind of go, oh, that's what that was all about. What are there any sort of standouts or things that you've kind of got? Oh, that's why I did that, or oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I've never always been in the, I guess, the mindset development, personal development, hence why I got into naturopathy first and then I went and became a PT as well and studied fitness and did some research. And then I did some research and did all of that and then brought those two together and I was like hang on a sec. People are still coming to me with the same problems, but just in a different way. And then I was like, ok, there's something mental, emotional that's going on, that's triggering body responses and certain behaviors. So I did a little bit of a side step and backtrack a little bit more.

Speaker 2: 13:02

When I was young I was kind of like what they call a square peg in a round hole and I knew from a young age that I just did not fit in because I questioned everything I came. I come from a religious family, very cultural, strong cultural base, and a lot of beliefs and a lot of ways I guess cultural were instilled in me from a young age, even though I knew that that wasn't true to me and I still was like something's something doesn't feel right. So I had that intuition from a very young age in knowing that I was this square peg in a round hole, growing up and moving forward, being as, as I was growing up, I was labeled with having learning difficulties. I was medicated and I was not ostracized, but in my culture it was more of shunned and not spoken about because it was abnormal. So that kind of drove me, even from, like you know, seven, 10, 15, all of those years, to stand my ground in being an individual, knowing that that was not actually true. It was not the truth and I knew that from a very young age. And that's what drove me into studying natropathy, because I knew that there was another way, a different way in why things were like this.

Speaker 2: 14:39

So I went and studied natural medicine, natural health, and then I became a vegetarian as well to help with brain development and enhanced brain function. And that was a journey within itself, because I learned that you can try and control yourself, like with food, in how you eat, but not necessarily control the environments and the environment that influences your body that you're in. So it was understanding how I could master my internal capabilities and biological you know changes to be able to enhance what's actually outside of me. But that wasn't necessarily true, because everyone has their own sets of belief systems and I was in a process of creating my own set of beliefs, in health specifically, but also as an individual as well. And this brings in the component of really understanding your own mindset, emotional structures and how you think and your belief systems. It doesn't matter if you come from a cultural family or a religious family and they've got their sets of beliefs. It's about an individual developing their own individuality, and my journey of that was through my own health journey and being able to overcome certain health conditions.

Speaker 2: 16:11

I had massive gut issues. I was allergic to dairy gluten, still have sensitivities, but it was so much more exacerbated that it was triggering other health conditions in my body as well autoimmune conditions as well. So I was like, obsessed with natural health, I would study research and I ended up becoming a naturopath and opening my own clinic, and even then I still thought there was a peace missing from the whole puzzle. I was like it's got to be something else. So I went and studied fitness. I was like, oh well, if I, you know, master your physical body, your strength and how you feel, that might be the missing piece.

Speaker 2: 16:57

And when I was consulting and working with clients back then in the fitness industry, as well as combining naturopathy. They'd come back to me with the same problems or that have a relapse because of some specific event that would happen in their lives. And the same thing would happen with me in my life during that journey as well. I'd be good for a period of time and then I'd experience some traumatic event or some trauma, whether that be my career or whether that being family relationships or even personal relationships as well. I'd have massive gut problems again migraines, headaches, breakouts, skin and all of those sort of things. So I knew there was something deeper that needed to be addressed and that kind of led me into the whole NLP side of things.

Speaker 1: 17:48

Wow. So you were sort of seeing patterns in your own life and in the life of your clients?

Speaker 1: 17:54

Oh yeah, absolutely, and it's like well, what is the missing piece of this puzzle? Why are these people not getting fitter? Why are they, yeah, why do they keep relapsing? God, that's a really interesting one, isn't it? Because you, and I guess you're having your own experience, which I think is like an interesting thing, because we do generally teach what we're trying to learn ourselves, right, yeah, what we're trying to integrate ourselves. But being a coach from the outside, it can quite often be much easier to sort of see the patterns of someone else's thing but to sort of tap into it and help them explore it. How easy is that? Like, you became an NLP practitioner. Maybe you talk and tell us a little bit about what that entails. Sure, neuro-linguistic programming, right?

Speaker 2: 18:52

Yep. So neuro-linguistic programming. There's three components to that Neuro, which is neurology. So we work on the nervous system. So you may have heard people who have an overactive nervous system and we've got to calm it down. So we work with neural pathways in reprogramming them, so through beliefs, thought processes and structures, by using linguistics, which is the neuro-linguistic aspect of it. So we use language and language patterns, hypnotic language patterns, to reprogram someone's mind and belief system. Now, in saying that, you don't have to have a problem to reprogram your mind, you can actually reprogram it to enhance what you already have that is working well. And a lot of people think NLP is just fixing things, when it's not just fixing things. We take someone on a journey and we guide them to be able to enhance where they are, so as they can be a better person but also operate at their highest potential.

Speaker 1: 19:59

In other words, yeah, so would you say that someone like? Because I've kind of heard different things and I've followed Dr Joe Dispenza a fair bit and I know he's more meditation rather than NLP, but one of the things that he talks about is like almost needing to shut off from that. You know our everyday thoughts and feelings and is that what the hypnosis part, where that comes in, like helping someone to downregulate so that you can give them those that language based stuff that will? I guess is it like affirmations or like that's a great question.

Speaker 2: 20:40

Actually, I get this a lot. Affirmations is great. As long as the person has the neurology to adopt those things, those words, into their belief system, so they have to have the belief system in order for it to be exercised and grow, as they say those affirmations every day, whereas things like hypnosis, you can do hypnosis in the waking state, just as what we're doing now in having a conversation with someone. It's not necessarily just through meditation, and the way in which we do that is we bring awareness to what the person is not aware of. So the idea is uncovering what is blocking them. Okay. Bringing awareness to that, yeah, creating a new belief that they bring, adopt themselves, rather than us just simply installing it and then expanding that so it becomes true to them and true to their identity. Sure.

Speaker 1: 21:46

So like because I was thinking with the affirmations thing and what Joe dispenses sort of says is if you've got an affirmation and this kind of goes along with what you've just said if you've got an affirmation, you know I'm beautiful, I love myself. But then there's that other voice in the back of the head going no, you don't, you're bad at this, this, this, this.

Speaker 1: 22:09

You think, you are, you think, you are, you think you are Right, yeah, and it's really just drawing your attention away from the I love myself, I'm beautiful and closer to all of the things that you actually haven't. You know what?

Speaker 2: 22:27

Nadine, that it's better for someone to do something than nothing. So if that's what, they do by themselves, then that is a great thing, because eventually that voice will start to shrink. However, if there are deep unconscious beliefs that programs that are running it may come back. So it's a matter of having the awareness to go. Okay, there it is again, Shut up. I'm just saying my affirmations. I'm beautiful. I'm beautiful until it continues to go.

Speaker 1: 23:00

Yeah, it's really fascinating stuff, isn't it? Like it's just yeah, you have to be quite open-minded, I think. Yes, yeah, Absolutely. If the baddie is too noisy, it could be pretty hard. Yeah, and all right, so I'm going to. I've gone through stalking you on your Facebook and I just thought it would be really cool to go through some of the things that you've written and just talk about them. Sure, yeah, yeah. And I'm curious because I guess because they came up a lot of the things that I saw came up after I'd read your initial post that I read out at the beginning and I was like I wonder how much of this is like you processing your own experience or whether, like you are totally processed. Is that a thing?

Speaker 2: 24:01

I don't know when you know, let me know.

Speaker 1: 24:07

Okay, so let's start with this one be true to yourself, because there are only a few people that will stay true to you. Ah, was that about you?

Speaker 2: 24:21

No.

Speaker 1: 24:22

No.

Speaker 2: 24:22

Yeah, it's a belief that I believe.

Speaker 1: 24:25

But do you feel like? Do you feel like that's like, because it almost sounds like you've been hurt and that you can't trust everyone or be true to yourself?

Speaker 2: 24:41

No, Be true to yourself. What I mean by that is only you know yourself as well as you do. No one else, and only anyone else that tries to interpret who you are is simply looking at you through their own lens yeah, that's all that, that is, and if someone else believes something about you that you don't, that doesn't ring true to you. It doesn't necessarily mean that that it's true for you. Only you know who you are, and that's it.

Speaker 1: 25:18

That's hard, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 25:20

That's really hard it can be Sometimes. I think you know, and family and friends are probably the ones that can tell you who you are, or try to tell you who you are, based on their own lens. And their lens is simply their values, their beliefs and their own limitations that they hold for themselves in their own identity and if you take on someone else's beliefs, you adopt someone else's belief systems which isn't aligned to the truth Of who you are. Yeah right by that.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Wow, yeah, that's, that's good advice. Can I ask you, before we go on to another one have you resolved, did you feel like you needed to resolve stuff with your family based on your experiences as a young person?

Speaker 2: 26:15

Yeah, I had. I had a number of different things and experiences, events in my past in my childhood, even as an adult, that I've had to deal with, and I've worked with a coach. I still work with a coach and I continue to do that to work on other areas at the moment, I'm working closely with a coach in a spiritual aspect and expanding consciousness. So there are things that come up with family and if you have resolution on those, those things will not trigger you anymore, and that's how I am with my family. Yeah, it's like coming in and seeing them from a different perspective and going, oh yeah, that's just how they, how they are, and if that was to trigger me, then that would be something that I would need to look at and go, ok, I need to work on that.

Speaker 1: 27:12

Yeah, cool. Did you talk to your family about any of this stuff, or has it been all sort of an internal personal process for you?

Speaker 2: 27:22

I would say my family have been aware in terms of what I have been working on, but in terms of the depth of how it has impacted my life, I've worked on that myself. I don't think it's their responsibility to take that on for themselves. Only a person can take responsibility for themselves in working and solving those things. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:53

Yeah, cool. Ok, Because you talked about triggers and things that trigger you. I think that's a really important point. I'm very interesting One of the posts that you might have been a podcast that you did yourself actually unlock your success by using your triggers as a compass.

Speaker 2: 28:15

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 28:18

So I guess that's exactly what you were just saying. If there's something that bugs you and you are just stewing in it, you're like all right, this is the thing.

Speaker 2: 28:29

You see your triggers like. They're like the mud that you see in the garden. You know if a garden was to get muddy and if you were to weed it and clear it and put new soil down. There's gold in that and that's what you that's what I mean by you use them for your own success, because they end up becoming a resource rather than a trigger in your life. Can you give?

Speaker 1: 28:56

any. Do you have any sort of examples of what that might look like?

Speaker 2: 29:03

Sure, so I'm just trying to think of a personal one that I've used.

Speaker 1: 29:19

Put you on the spot.

Speaker 2: 29:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:22

The reason I asked you is because I think if someone hears an example, they might go oh, that might give them a sense of Sure. But I guess anything like any relationship, like a brother, sister, sister's mother, daughter, if there's something that bugs you about them, like you said, like you can kind of dig around and go what actually is it?

Speaker 2: 29:51

Sure, yeah, so with my family, my mum specifically. My mum is total opposite to me. She loves to be around people, she's very social, she wants to be in everybody else's business and if you need to know something about someone, you go to her. She's in social community groups. She's in charge of those and those sort of things, those kind of people are very important If you're into astrology. She's very Gemini, so yeah. My mum's a Gemini.

Speaker 1: 30:24

She loves communicating, she loves information. Yeah, that is totally my mum.

Speaker 2: 30:30

So her and I are very different to that and in the past I used to get really triggered by her going off on a tangent and talking about other people. I'm very intrapersonal. I very much care about myself and the people that are close to me and I'd go to her a lot of the time and I'd say, hey, how are you going? And she'd start talking about Sally and Greg and Bob and Bill and all these other people that I don't really know who they are, firstly, and what they're doing.

Speaker 2: 31:04

So that would really annoy me, that would really affect me, because I used to take it as though, well, I'm not, not worthy enough to have a conversation, a deep conversation, with her. So that would affect me in terms of my own worthiness. So I would avoid going to her and having a conversation with her based on my own, my belief that she doesn't really care because she doesn't have the time to spend time with me. Now I go there and I listen to her stories, I take them on and I actually use those stories and I bring them back to her and I ask questions about her and what she's doing and how she's doing in those situations. So I've learned strategies in being able to navigate those things and because I see her through a different lens, it enables me to do those things much more efficiently, whereas before I used to get angry and hurt and have all the emotions come up and all of those sort of things. So I guess being able to address that has helped me develop a different relationship with her.

Speaker 1: 32:26

It's kind of weird, isn't it? The whole family dynamic thing. I've got kids and I've tried to. I think they say every generation kind of evolves, but just how we do have, we don't necessarily treat our parents or our siblings like we would our friends or someone else, and often it's like we're not very civil to each other, are we? It's like I wouldn't talk to someone who I didn't know like that. But it's almost like the deeper the connection, the more you think that you can just say whatever you bloody want.

Speaker 2: 33:14

Yeah, that's true, that's about it. So I think it's also because, with our family, they're the ones that had imprinted on us between the ages of zero to seven, so, thinking of it like a power line, it might have been a why when you were younger, but your parents have created this massive bundle of whys and hence why you don't respond the same way with your friends, because you have different neural pathways in those thought processes with them.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Yeah, interesting stuff. All right, to understand your life's purpose is to know how to master your shadow. Yes yes, okay.

Speaker 2: 33:59

So earlier you mentioned how the little person on the back saying those negative things that's the ego trying to trump you and trying to push you down and keep playing small, which a lot of people tend to not. They're not aware that it's there and they just run with it. They take that and they're like, oh well, that has to be true, that's what's happening. So the idea with what I do is have developing that awareness to go okay, I hear these thoughts, these negative thoughts.

Speaker 2: 34:34

The ego is trying to take over and it's a matter of addressing the ego and what we call is, when you have an identity shift and you change into transition, into a different identity, the ego dies and a new ego emerges. The idea is not to kill the ego. The idea is to create a healthy ego, and this is one thing I tell parents that have children because you'll see kids as they grow older, they'll start to push the boundaries and start to rebel and throw tantrums and those sort of things is because their ego is developing and it's a matter of nurturing it and developing a healthy ego and going yeah, that's there. How can I use that to my advantage rather than it controlling me?

Speaker 1: 35:23

Okay, so your ego is your shadow? Essentially, yes, Okay, and how does that mastering that? How does that help to understand your life's purpose? And what do you? What do you when you say life's purpose? Is that in terms of like career, or can it be more simple, as in?

Speaker 2: 35:56

What are you here in this lifetime, in this lifetime, to do? It might simply just be a mum. For this life, it might simply be to to have a Travel the world. Yeah, travel the world, be an influencer, whatever it might be. What is your purpose? What fulfills you?

Speaker 2: 36:16

What is your why and why do you do what you do essentially and it doesn't necessarily have to be career, obviously, with people that I work with in business, it's majority of the time it's to do with that, so with mastering your ego. It prevents you from playing small in those areas. It prevents you from stopping yourself to be able to fully expand and express who you are in, whatever that might be being a mum, being an entrepreneur, being a business owner, whatever that might be Because the ego protects. It's all about survival and it'll do everything it can to keep you there. So it's a matter of understanding what your strengths and what your weaknesses are and then integrating those to create an identity of authenticity and using that to drive you forward. When people do that, it actually accelerates the results in creating what you're wanting to create, whether that, being a mum, it might be to have a full life plan of having X amount of kids and bring them up. Or it might be someone having a full empire. It doesn't really matter at all. So what?

Speaker 1: 37:36

was I going to say yeah, it's kind of like a safety mechanism, isn't it? Absolutely, it was built in thousands of years ago to kind of go if you go in that direction, there might be a lion and you could get killed. But the things that we have in today, the voices, or that kind of ego voice, You're getting self-talk yeah yeah, that self-talk is really quite irrational when it comes to our safety.

Speaker 2: 38:10

At times. Yeah, it can be.

Speaker 1: 38:12

Yeah, yeah, cool. Not everyone is meant to understand your journey. Be yourself and carry on.

Speaker 2: 38:22

Yes, yes. So your journey is your own personal experience, where you want to go your voyage in this life, and you get to choose how you want to do that, who you want to do that with and what it is that you're wanting to do. Just an example of that was when I was younger and I started. My parents have had businesses my whole life. I've watched them work so hard to get to where they are and I had this belief where I had to do the same. I had to work like a dog. My dad was working seven days a week, like morning and night, to be able to create a lifestyle and a family and provide and all of those things. And I got to a point where I adopted that identity in having to do that, as well as having this expectation that my family wanted me to be able to do the same things in how they run a business as well, and I was just like hang on a sec, this is not for me. It's either I'm in this or I'm out, because I can't continue doing this. It's just so exhausting. I was burnt out and instead of being healthy, I was getting more sick, so that just wasn't aligned to me.

Speaker 2: 39:49

So, being true to who you are in your own journey. No one else may not get it. My parents don't understand, or even family and friends don't understand this. For our working week sometimes, where people go oh yeah, I just get up at five and I work till nine and I do that three days a week and that's it Like. Sometimes that works for people, sometimes it doesn't, but it has to be aligned to you and that's all that matters. People won't get what you do as long as it's aligned, there's alignment, and then you'll see that when you're in alignment, you get the results.

Speaker 1: 40:23

Okay, yeah, yeah, I have the same with my dad and it's interesting, I speak to my dad in the UK once a week and he always says so what have you been doing? And I'm like God, there's a part of me that wants to kind of justify it because of the expectation of the dad. You know the dad working hard and you know exactly what you just said like life is hard and you have to work hard to have the things. And I'm like, well, I'm not quite doing anything.

Speaker 1: 41:01

You've been working, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, life's meant to be lived. Yeah, exactly, yeah, okay, I'll choose one more and then I'm going to ask you about just a bit about like your, the shift like from the thirties to the forties, because I think it's quite a big one. No, that there is something. Okay, believe in yourself and all that you are and you've kind of touched on this quite a lot already Know that there is something inside you that is greater than any obstacle.

Speaker 2: 41:40

Yeah, self-belief.

Speaker 1: 41:42

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 41:42

Yeah, self-belief, that's what it comes down to. If you believe in it enough yourself, bring it to fruition absolutely. But also, the other thing is is having that self-belief but surrounding yourself with people that believe in you as well and that will enhance that support for you to bring that volition that you have in yourself, belief to bring whatever it is that you're wanting to create.

Speaker 1: 42:16

Yeah, okay, believe in yourself. Yeah, I had a question and then it's gone. But let's talk about the forties, the, the, that transitional time. So I don't know if you, if you mentioned astrology I don't know if you follow it and you've also mentioned that you're sort of delving into the more spiritual, your spiritual growth and development. There definitely is a transitional period and there's they say that like there's the first half of your lifetime, right, which I mean astrologically can be kind of mapped, and then there's a shift to the second half and like where, where, how your purpose changes, your purpose or your direction changes, and it's almost like the first half is about just figuring it all out and the second half is like figuring it all out again, yeah, ficking the bits that you liked, but you probably need to like just be a little bit smarter about or something.

Speaker 2: 43:25

I like your logic.

Speaker 1: 43:28

I'm going yeah, they will be good, but I need to use them in this way instead of that way. Or yeah, yeah, yeah. So what? What's your? Do you mind me asking how old you are?

Speaker 2: 43:39

Are you just 41? Okay, yeah, 41. I'm not too big to remember that.

Speaker 1: 43:50

Can you like did you feel a shift, or has it been quite gradual? And it's just now that you're like oh wow, things feel different. Does it feel different, or is it like a natural?

Speaker 2: 44:06

evolution.

Speaker 2: 44:07

I felt a shift, like a change in terms of like a career timeline, relationships, just maturity in oneself, probably a few years ago, and that's kind of like I was like what is causing this? Where am I going? And then I was like I thought, how can I find this out? And that kind of took me on learning about more like occult studies, esoteric studies and learning about spirituality and astrology and those sort of things. And like this last year when I turned 40, I was like, wow, I really get this. They call it the maturity of the soul. Okay, and that happens when you turn 40, essentially because you've transitioned from you know zero to 18 and developing and becoming an identity, and then taking that identity for a test drive for like 10 years to see what works and what doesn't work, and then slowly really settling into your shoes, and then by the age of 40, it starts to feel like an all pair of shoes.

Speaker 1: 45:21

I reckon I'm 10 years behind. I've only just started to, but you know what? Nadine.

Speaker 2: 45:28

Everyone has their own journey. Yeah, you know 30, 40 or 50 or even 60. There's some people that are like 60, that are still like going. I actually know who I am now and I'm like that's great. Better that you know now in this life than not at all. It's great that you take that time and go on that journey, I think.

Speaker 1: 45:52

What turns your in, your sort of more spiritual journey? What would you say are like? What direction is that ledger in? You said some esoteric. What else did you say?

Speaker 2: 46:06

Which cult studies? Yeah, astrology cult studies, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, just like the hermetic studies and those sort of things it's more like to do with, like mystic studies and what things that have, I guess, ways of thinking that people don't normally think about. It's not your generic fits in a box with personal development, that there's more to that and I think that it's a personal journey when you go on that. Astrology for me has been something that really resonates with me and I love that and I've been studying it for all of last year now and I'm like I really need to bring this in with my clients in knowing what you know, their birth chart and those sort of things and some of these, I guess tools are not necessarily for everyone because they're not at that point in their journey, but it's a matter of how can I utilize that for myself and enhance my own journey in order to, you know, bring that to the table if someone was to ask me about that.

Speaker 1: 47:20

Yeah, cool, Thank you. We're getting close to the. My dog's hassling me, but if you wonder why I'm leaning down, we're getting close to the end of our hour. I was just going to ask, so I just wanted to flag that. But what was I going to ask about your? So, when you're in this process okay, because you're obviously you know you're teaching other people about it, but you're going through your own personal experience as well how much time do you spend kind of like working on yourself compared to working with other people, Like when you're reading something or learning something new? Do you are you thinking this, I need to integrate this for myself, or do you think I can use this with others? Like, I'm just being nosy. Really, I'm just curious. I'm a question asker too.

Speaker 2: 48:25

So everything that I've learned. I use that with my clients because I've tested, tried it for myself. Yeah, okay, if there's new things that I've learned, say, from a book, or I've learned from a coach, I'll test that on myself before I implement that on someone else, because I want to have a complete understanding and comprehension of what the results are in order to know what results I'm going to get with someone else.

Speaker 1: 48:54

Yeah, when you say results, what do you mean?

Speaker 2: 49:00

The transformation, transformation.

Speaker 1: 49:02

I love it.

Speaker 2: 49:03

People come to me like they can't make a decision on something. They're having problems with decision making. I've overcome that myself. I understand that. I understand the structures and the strategies and what believes to hold all of that together, to know how to untangle that and help that person.

Speaker 1: 49:19

How often do people like this is quickfire questions. How often do people come to you because they feel like they're stuck in a life changing 40 year old kind of way and they're like, holy shit, I don't know what's going on. Is that or is it more? Is it more mindset and that sort of thing?

Speaker 2: 49:47

Well, what you've just explained to me being stuck in that 40 year old shift is partly mindset.

Speaker 2: 49:53

It's to believe structures and systems which needs to be looked at. The clients that come to me they're all in business or it's in some sort of career and they're stuck in some way where they are and it's preventing them from moving forward. They're either burnt out or they're stuck in a certain old identity. I worked with a lady once who was a stay at home mom. She was a career woman, had kids and then wanted to start her business and she was stuck between shifting from that mum kind of identity into being this entrepreneurial business woman. We really had to strip old belief structures down and create a new belief system for her to feel true to her, to have her to step into.

Speaker 1: 50:45

So when you are working with someone like that, what's your process? Let's sort of because we want to get people to direct people to you to find out more. But is it like you go, all right, we're 12 weeks and you're going to be transformed, or is it like person to person? Does it really depend on how stuck they are? Do you have like a set thing that you do?

Speaker 2: 51:15

So for coaching specifically for a full, like what I call an overhaul, what we go through this process called a breakthrough transformation process, and that process takes about six weeks in total. They work with me for that six weeks quite intimately, where we communicate daily one to one through telegram. There's two weeks of what we call pre-tasking. So I task them, which brings the self-awareness of what's happening within them, because most people are unaware in terms of their own inner emotional state. So two weeks of that and then we spend in one session, either over two days or one day.

Speaker 2: 52:00

It's a 12 hour day where we uncover this it's a detailed person in history uncover everything that's holding them back in that contextual area. So we work contextually. So if it's in business, we work in business about once something specific, and then what we do is we remove all the limiting beliefs, negative emotions, realign their values, get them back into alignment, install a goal and then set them off on their way to start taking action, because 80% of what you change in your mind, you've got to make sure that you take action. And then there's two weeks coaching after that that integrates that process and that's kind of that period of time that we do that Wow. Most of the time most clients come back and they do ongoing coaching because they want that extra support afterwards.

Speaker 1: 52:58

And you obviously have success with that.

Speaker 2: 53:02

Oh yeah, business, yeah, I believe. Yeah, I work with clients to get results.

Speaker 1: 53:09

Yeah, yeah, great, great. And just as we close, speaking of purpose, what do you, what's your purpose, what do you feel your purpose is in this lifetime?

Speaker 2: 53:28

My purpose, I believe, is that I'm here to help others change and expand their own consciousness, for them to see their highest potential, for them to make an impact in their way in this world.

Speaker 1: 53:41

Yeah, wow, beautiful. It's a pretty good job, pretty important. Yeah, thank you, maria. I know I've kind of jumped all over the place because I just wanted to know all of the things.

Speaker 2: 53:54

No, it's okay, that's really cool.

Speaker 1: 53:57

Yeah, I think what you're doing is great and, yeah, really fascinating stuff. Really appreciate you taking the time to join me and it's good to see you Thanks for having me, no worries. I'll speak to you soon, all right, thanks, maria. Thank you Bye.

Speaker 2: 54:13

See you.